RE: What's a debian kid look like?
Male, age 37, married, 5 children, electrical engineering Ph.D., data compression research, LDS church member, scoutmaster, English native tongue, reasonably fluent in Spanish, hobbies of skiing and waterskiing (although no time to do them), debian user for about 1 year, RedHat and Solaris x86 user prior to that, employed doing research and related programming, mostly C, desktop and embedded processors. Subscribed to debian-user a few months ago to get help recovering from an unsuccessful upgrade on 'testing' and switch to the 'stable' debian distribution (problem resolved successfully in a few days - it was lilo-related). Veering a little off-topic: I read an article last night that I think gives some insight into why debian-user is successful. It appears some people actually study such things! The article citation is: N. Kock, Compensatory adaptation to a lean medium: An action research investigation of electronic communication in process improvement groups, IEEE Transactions on Professional Communication, vol. 44, no. 4, Dec. 2001, pp. 267-285. Here's my article report (similar to the book reports I always hated in school - somehow I developed a bit of a taste for it, I guess!): A dominant theory in the area of computer-mediated communication research is known as media richness theory, and classifies the various means of communication on a scale from rich to lean. Examples are face-to-face meetings as the ideal rich medium, and e-mail lists as a rather lean medium of communication. Media richness theory hypothesizes that lean media are not appropriate for knowledge sharing ... and claims that the selection of media and the outcomes of its use will always reflect this hypothesis. The particular study found an apparently-contradictory result, however. The study dealt with fairly small groups organized for 10-45 days in order to make suggestions of how to improve processes within their organizations (which were a business and a university in New Zealand). Participants had been involved in earlier process improvement groups using face-to-face meetings and the researcher helped them (an approach known as action research) to replace the physical meetings with e-mail ones. The author did in-depth interviews after the groups concluded their work to gather evidence in the form of perceptions of group cost, group knowledge sharing, group outcome quality, and group success. He concluded that the group work had been better in all four ways, and gave two points of explanations. The first was that the group members adapted to compensate for the leanness of the medium. The second involved the motivation to compensate, which he suggested came from social norms associated with group-based process improvement tasks, which led to social influences, such as perceived group mandate and expected behavior by other ... group members, that were conducive to compensatory adaptation. Basically, in the case of e-mail which is written, vs. more media-rich vocal means of communication, I think this quote from one of the interviews sums up the situation quite well: When I write, my thinking process from formulating the ideas in my head to getting them down becomes more elaborate. I have to take much more time over that than I would if I was speaking. I think that, because one is forced to do that by writing the answer down, then the written answer you get is much more focused. So I think that is an advantage. It requires more time from the participants, because they have to focus their writing, but, as a result, you get [better individual contributions]. A primary conclusion was that electronic communication tools used to support groups do not have to be much more sophisticated than simple email list servers as long as there are social (or perhaps financial) factors in place that motivate group members to compensate for the leanness inherent in the electronic communication media used. He mentioned a few limitations of the research, such as the possibility that unexpected consequences may happen (for example, one possible negative consequence is avoidance by group members to participate in future electronic groups after their initial experience, as they become increasingly aware of the extra effort required from them.). I hope someone else finds the above interesting (I've spared you many details). Over the last few years I've been impressed with how effective e-mail and newsgroups, combined with search tools have been. In the case of debian, the process improvement goal is to get the most out of one's computer hardware by using free software. Regards, Kris Huber
RE: C++: Indenting and formatting program sources.
I agree that emacs cc-mode package works great for indenting. You can
modify it quite a lot to make it indent how you want. It does not move the
position of { past comments or do really sophisticated code reformatting
like that, but there are quite a few good settings you can set to help
yourself be consistent and make cvs diff commands not give a lot of
redundant information. The attached file indent-settings.emacs expresses my
personal biases in coding style, of course ;).
After doing what Gary suggests for awhile, I found (after some serious
puzzling and emacs lisp confusion) that I could do this to make the process
non-interactive:
emacs -q -l indent-settings.emacs -l indent-run.FNAME.emacs
or
xemacs -q -l indent-settings.emacs -l indent-run.FNAME.emacs
where you have created indent-run.FNAME.emacs from indent-run.emacs (see
file contents below) using sed or vim to replace FNAME with your program's
filename. If you don't use emacs much, or don't have time for the
keystrokes, this non-interactive method might also be useful. As I recall
there is no command-line option to put a single elisp command on the emacs
command-line. If there were, the above could be make somewhat less awkward
(hints or work-arounds anyone?). One work-around is writing a shell script,
but a small command that could be used as an alias would be nice.
One problem I've found with cc-mode is that it doesn't take compiler
variable logic into account. If you have something like the code fragment
below, you will find that after indenting, all code below that function is
indented too much because of the extra { seen by cc-mode but not by the
compiler.
#ifdef MYCOMPVAR
int function (int a) {
#else
int function (int a, int b) {
#endif
// body of code
}
This difficulty, combined with having a larger screen than when I learned C,
is what caused me to finally convert to putting { below the argument list!
-Kris
indent-settings.emacs
(auto-fill-mode 1)
(setq-default tab-width 4)
(setq tab-stop-list '(4 8 12 16 20 24 28 32 36 40 44 48 52 56 60 64 68 72
76))
(setq make-backup-files nil)
(autoload 'c++-mode cc-mode C++ Editing Mode t)
(autoload 'c-mode cc-mode C Editing Mode t)
(setq default-major-mode 'c++-mode)
(setq text-mode-hook '(lambda() (auto-fill-mode 1)))
(setq auto-mode-alist '((\\.c$ . c++-mode)
(\\.h$ . c++-mode)
(\\.cc$ . c++-mode)
(\\.hpp$ . c++-mode)
(\\.cpp$ . c++-mode)
(\\.C$ . c++-mode)
))
(defun my-c-mode-common-hook ()
;; Customization for all modes provided by cc-mode
(c-set-style ellemtel)
(setq delete-key-deletes-forward t)
(setq c-basic-offset 4)
(c-set-offset 'inclass '+)
(c-set-offset 'stream-op '+)
(c-set-offset 'arglist-cont '0)
(c-set-offset 'arglist-cont-nonempty '+)
(setq c-comment-only-line-offset 0)
(setq comment-column 36)
(auto-fill-mode 1)
(setq fill-column 79)
)
(add-hook 'c-mode-common-hook 'my-c-mode-common-hook)
(require 'font-lock)
;(eval-after-load font-lock '(require 'choose-color))
(add-hook 'c-mode-hook 'turn-on-font-lock 'at-end)
(add-hook 'c++-mode-hook 'turn-on-font-lock 'at-end)
indent-run.FNAME.emacs
(find-file FNAME)
(mark-whole-buffer)
(indent-region 0 10 nil)
(save-buffer)
(save-buffers-kill-emacs)
-Original Message-
From: Gary Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 4:26 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: C++: Indenting and formatting program sources.
On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 17:24:22 +0200, you wrote:
Can anyone recommend a program to indent and format C++ program sources
for consistency of style and perhaps better readability?
Specifying the used options or attaching a suitable configuration file
(like a .ident.pro for GNU indent) is desirable.
GNU indent does not targeted directly to C++ code. Is this a problem?
The only official deb that I found for this task is astyle. I have not
tried it yet. Are there others? Are there commonly used programs for
this task that are not debianized?
The LDP C-C++ Beautifier HOW-TO mentions bcpp. Is it commonly used?
Is there a way to have vim force a standard and consistent style? Once
again, attaching a configuration file or pointing out to a standard one
is desirable.
--
Shaul Karl
email: shaulka (replace these parenthesis with @) bezeqint,
delete the comma and the white space characters and add .net
Ignore this if I am not understanding the question. It looks to me like
all you need to do is open the file in emacs, select the entire file,
and invoke indent-region (check the syntax). There is a built library
of styles to choose from; a default, KR, GNU, and others. Opening
files with C/C++ extensions automatically puts you in C/C++ mode.
As for extending vim for this, I have not a clue. For its ease of use
in writing formatted code in any number of languages, try emacs even if
you prefer vim for ordinary tasks.
gt
Yes I
RE: G400
I played around with my ICAClient settings and got it to work fine again! There are two places to set color depth and I think the problem resulted because one was set for 8-bit color and the other for 16-bit color. I set both at 24-bit and it looks great under XFree86 3.3.6. I think I re-entered my ICAClient settings from scratch after switching from sid to potato linux distribution. My new opinion: The Matrox G400 video card works great under both XFree86 versions 3.3.6 and 4! -Kris -Original Message- From: nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:03 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: RE: G400 Kris Huber said: If anyone has an idea why my Matrox G400 output isn't always looking great under v3.3.6, I'd appreciate suggestions! It's not too bad, but a little annoying. i ran it under xfree 3.3.6 up until about 50 days ago, it ran perfect. never had a single drawing issue. i don't use citrix. i think i had it in 16bit color. citrix may have problems in high color depths. the company i work for now competes with them and from what i hear its one of their weaknesses at the moment. nate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: G400
I have a G400 and know that there is support in X v4. In fact I believe the support in v4 is better than in v3.3.6. I recently changed from using the unstable distribution to the stable one. In the process I ended up changing from XFree86 v4 to v3.3.6. I never noticed any display problems under v4, yet under v3.3.6 I've noticed that vertical colored lines sometimes appear when areas are re-painted within the ICA Client application. Perhaps it is a problem related to ICA Client, but I used the identical distribution of it under both XFree86 4 and 3.3.6 and suspect the problem lies with the video driver (which I think is part of XFree86). Display mode under both versions was/is 24-bit color, quite high-res mode (1472x1104, a custom one I set up). If anyone has an idea why my Matrox G400 output isn't always looking great under v3.3.6, I'd appreciate suggestions! It's not too bad, but a little annoying. -Original Message- From: Tom Allison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 3:54 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: G400 I have this Matrox G400 video card that's supposed to be really spiffy (or was, in it's day). I'm just trying to confirm the support in X v4. It seems that this card has taken a serious step back in basic performance. I'm not talking about frames/second, the basic picture is kind of lame. I have a 21 monitor and the whole thing worked great under 3.3.6 and even Windows (I had it installed for 3 days until I figured out I couldn't get all the devices to work correctly). I'm just looking for 'similar experiences' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backspace is delete
Shaya, Try adding: (global-set-key \C-h 'backward-delete-char) to your .emacs file on the Solaris side. I think that will take care of your problem. Maybe you'll run into other keys that don't get mapped the same, but you can easily configure that in the .emacs file. I'm not sure how to make your keymappings only be modified, for example, when you are logged in remotely using telnet, however (although I'm sure it is possible to figure something out). -Kris -Original Message- From: Shaya Potter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:39 AM To: Debian User List Subject: Re: Backspace is delete On Fri, 2001-11-09 at 08:52, Colin Watson wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 07:47:38PM +0800, Michael Robinson wrote: Maybe I'm just being a clueless newbie, but I can't find where to put the ^H back into my Backspace in X text applications. You should probably read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz. Search for Why doesn't my backspace, delete, or some other key work?. It's possible you've got too many uses of xmodmap and .Xresources *Translations - backspace and delete *should* work correctly out of the box now. at least for me on sid, emacs is unusable if I telnet into a solaris box, b/c everytime I hit backspace I get ctrl-h which to them is help. I haven't investigated it (as I don't telnet into solaris boxes often) but its something I've noticed. shaya -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Is it possible to install a few testing packages on a stable machine?
Stan, Here's a cut-and-paste-and-slightly-edited version of what I found about almost the same question I asked on this reflector a week or two ago (see thread RE: cproto.deb for potato not available?): Scheme using newer version of apt-get than you probably have: It seems the /etc/apt/preferences file is a feature not yet in the stable release of apt-get (version 0.3.19). I found some information about the preferences file in a how-to document based on version 0.5.3 (chapter 3 of http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/), although I was still a little unclear about how to selectively upgrade a package using this feature. My guess is to use the example in the document for how to downgrade all packages to the stable release versions, then insert a specific entry for the latest version of, in my case, cproto. This is what I did to grab the cproto package from the unstable distribution (a little lower-level, but not too bad once in awhile). Hopefully the upgraded package you'll see in #3 won't be a package that will break other things it depends on if you upgrade it. 1. Added following line to sources.list: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free 2. apt-get -s update The -s (=--dry_run) above seemed to have no effect because the cproto package *was* found in the next step (without update it is not found). 3. apt-get -s install cproto This showed me that apt-get would not upgrade or install any new packages except for cproto. 4. apt-get install cproto This installed the new package. 5. Commented out the line added in #1 I did this so that the next 'apt-get upgrade' won't upgrade me to the unstable release of all the packages I have installed. -Kris -Original Message- From: Stan Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:16 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Is it possible to install a few testing packages on a stable machine? I'm trying to get abcde to work. Turns out that the version I have (from progen) is broken. The developers of this package say the version in testing is fine. Probelm is it depends on one more package from testing. Is there a way I can get this to work? If so, how? -- Stan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] 843-745-3154 Charleston SC. -- Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. - (c) 2000 Stan Brown. Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Returning system to vanilla Woody
Reading the how-to on apt-get may provide some help. I think you need the apt package from sid to use the /etc/apt/preferences file described in Chapter 3 of http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/. I have only read about this, so take it for what it's worth. -Kris -Original Message- From: Geoff Beaumont [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 5:38 PM To: Debian User List Subject: Returning system to vanilla Woody Is there any way to downgrade packages to those provided by the archives in /etc/apt/sources.list? The reason I'm asking is that I recently added Ximian Gnome to my sources.list and installed it on my Woody system, but it proving very unreliable. I suspect this may be because I upgraded a number of packages to those from Sid in order to install Evolution, and the Ximian packages are intended to upgrade Potato, so expecting this to work was maybe a bit much... in particular, I'm getting exactly the same crashes (every time I try to view an email) as I did with the Evolution from Sid. What I'd like to do is return my system to vanilla Woody then try adding Ximian Gnome back in...is this possible or would I have to resort to a clean install? -- Geoff Beaumont [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: cproto.deb for potato not available?
Here's what I found (thanks to those who replied): It seems the /etc/apt/preferences file is a feature not yet in the stable release of apt-get (version 0.3.19). I found some information about the preferences file in a how-to document based on version 0.5.3 (chapter 3 of http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/), although I was still a little unclear about how to selectively upgrade a package using this feature. My guess is to use the example in the document for how to downgrade all packages to the stable release versions, then insert a specific entry for the latest version of, in my case, cproto. Anyway, this is what I did that worked: 1. Added following line to sources.list: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free 2. apt-get -s update The -s (=--dry_run) above seemed to have no effect because the cproto package *was* found in the next step (without update it is not found). 3. apt-get -s install cproto This showed me that apt-get would not upgrade or install any new packages except for cproto. 4. apt-get install cproto This installed the new package. 5. Commented out the line added in #1 I did this so that the next 'apt-get upgrade' won't upgrade me to the unstable release of all the packages I have installed. -Kris
RE: changing to Debian from Mandrake
Apt + dselect seem very powerful... Have the people who wrote these systems outlined their correct usage in a FAQ/manpage/etc.? I'm less familiar with Linux than you, but I can tell you based on recent Debian experience that there's a How-To document for apt at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/. In Chapter 3 it talks about managing packages and says you can use a file /etc/apt/preferences (I'm not sure if apt_preferences is newer or simply a typo) to do such things as gracefully back out of a dist-upgrade to unstable all or selected packages. The version of apt that has this feature is *ironically* not in the stable distrubution, however! -Kris -Original Message- From: Michael Kaminsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:50 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: changing to Debian from Mandrake I'm been using Mandrake for the past couple of years, and now I'm considering switching to Debian; but, I have some concerns. I consider myself a fairly experienced Linux user and use Linux for all my computing needs (devel, digital camera stuff, laptop stuff ,text processing, networking, etc.). I would like input on the following: * One reason I moved to Mandrake from Redhat (from Slackware) is that the packages are extremely up-to-date. Even the unstable version of Debian seems sorely lacking. Mandrake seems to put out RPMs within 1-2 days of the upstream developers. There are still no Debian packages for software I use regularly that's been out for 1 month (according to the debian web page package search form). Example: gnucash. Also, in some cases the package I want is up-to-date, but not all of its dependencies. Example: gnumeric. Version 0.72 requires a version of guppi for which there is no Debian package. * Apt + dselect seem very powerful, efficient if you use them together correctly. From the mailing lists, though, correctly seems to be a matter of confusion (or perhaps just preference). RPMs don't cut it for bleeding edge multiple-dependency upgrades (as you all know well). This reason is key to my wanting to change over. Have the people who wrote these systems outlined their correct usage in a FAQ/manpage/etc.? Also, there doesn't seem to be an easy way to upgrade to testing or unstable once you install. From the mailing lists, it seems like magic one-line commands such as apt-get dist-upgrade leave much manually fixing left to do. Apparently one can live mostly in testing but grab select packages from unstable by configuring pins in an apt_preferences file. Are there simple instructions for doing so? Again, people on the mailing lists seem confused and/or have varied opinions on how the mechanism is supposed to work. * Mandrake has very decent system configuration tools. I spent many years editing scripts and config files to setup up Linux machines, but it just takes longer when it comes to simple, basic tasks (adding a network interface, changing the runlevel configuration for daemons, etc.). Does Debian provide such tools (even if clearly they don't work for all situations)? I apologize for the length; any advice/comments would be appreciated. Thanks, Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cproto.deb for potato not available?
I'm wondering if a 'cproto' debian package is available for the Linux 2.2 kernel. I see one under 'unstable' but from what I read, application binaries need to be compiled for the kernel you are running. Cproto has been around for several years; I'm surprised it's not there (so I suspect I'm wrong). More generally, when binaries of a Debian package aren't available for my kernel, can I put another distribution (e.g., unstable) in my sources.list temporarily and do an 'apt-get sources' to compile an application for my kernel? Thanks, Kris
RE: Text copy/paste feature not working for me
Hi Kent, It turned out I wasn't running gpm, and using Section Pointer Protocol microsoft Device /dev/ttyS0 EndSection in XF86Config fixed the problem, as my Logitech serial mouse is MS mouse compatible. During installation I'd selected the only driver for a Logitech mouse and it wasn't fully compatible with my model, apparently. Copy/paste works now! Thanks, Kris -Original Message- From: westk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:26 PM To: debian-user; Kris Huber Subject: RE: Text copy/paste feature not working for me = Original Message From Kris Huber [EMAIL PROTECTED] = I did an install of the potato kernel and selected packages. I chose enlightenment and gnome under X11, which I've used before under kernel 2.4. A feature I use quite a bit, hi-lighting text with left mouse button, then middle-clicking to produce a copy of that text, is not working. I'm not sure just where to look for that feature. My suspicion is that my middle mouse button is not working. I have a serial mouse from Logitech and I selected a Logitech mouse driver during the install. For 3-button emulation I selected 'no' because it has 3 buttons and shouldn't need emulation. Under 2.4 a more generic mouse driver was used, I think. I'm quite new to installation issues. How do I try a different mouse driver? Thanks for any clue, Kris DISCLAIMER: I may be completely wrong. There are generally two types of mouse driver; one, gpm, is for the text (non-X) console; the other is the X mouse driver. These two interact, so the answer to your question will depend on if you're running gpm or not. To find out, run the command ps ax|grep gpm. If you're running gpm, you'll see something like: infotech-02[westk]:/home/westk ps ax|grep gpm 181 ?S 0:01 /usr/sbin/gpm -m /dev/psaux -t ps2 -Rraw 344 pts/1S 0:00 grep gpm The 181 line above tells where gpm expects to find the mouse (/dev/psaux), what type of driver it's using (-t ps2 = ps/2 type), and what type, if any, repeating it's doing (raw). If you're not running gpm, you should only see the grep gpm line of the above output. Another and more direct method of seeing if you're running gpm is to simply Ctrl-Alt-F1 to a non-X virtual console (you can get back to X in most cases with Alt-F7), and simply move the mouse. If you're running gpm, you should see a block-shaped mouse cursor moving around. If it moves erratically, that means that gpm has the wrong settings. gpm (by default on Debian systems) keeps its config info in /etc/gpm.conf. You can edit this file manually by hand, and then restart the gpm daemon (run /etc/init.d/gpm restart), or you can run the gpm configuration utility which is probably a tad easier for newbies (gpmconfig). X keeps its mouse settings in /etc/X11/XF86Config or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. The settings are similar, but not quite the same, as those for gpm. Let us know the contents of /etc/gpm.conf and the mouse settings of /etc/X11/XF86Config[-4], and then we'll know better how to answer your question. Kent
RE: Settings for vim for C programming?
Hi Mark, If you use a2ps to print you C files, you can use --tabsize=4 to make it look right. a2ps also does pretty-printing (changes fonts for C keywords, etc.). -Kris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:16 PM To: Debian-user Subject: Settings for vim for C programming? Earlier I set my tabstop to 4 to give me some more screen room in my C program .c files. The problem is that when I print out the source code (eg. for a Uni assignment) or when someone else edits it, the tabstops are by default 8 spaces. What is the best way to deal with this? What I have currently in my /etc/vimrc is the following: C programming stuff syntax on syntax highlighting set tabstop=4 (default is 8) set softtabstop=4 set shiftwidth=4 set pastetoggle=F4 So you can see that I have commented out the previous tabstop setting of 4 so that the default is now active, but have added the softtabstop=4 option and left shiftwidth=4. I think that this adds 4 spaces when you press tab. And if an automatic indentation occurs (while writing c source code), it will add 4 spaces if the indentation is less than 8 spaces from the side or a combination of tabs and spaces if the indentation is more than 8 spaces from the side. Is this correct? If not how do you do it properly? How do all you guys do it? Basically, I just want my source code, to look to everyone else, as it looks to me, when they edit it, or I print it out. But I want to be able to use more of the screen by using tabspaces of 4. Thanks for the help. Regards. Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Problem booting my system
Thanks Robert, I've got my system up now, and I didn't have to resort to putting the boot partition on the IDE drive. I think the main problem was in the lilo.conf file being incorrect. When I used the default file it (mostly) worked. I made an entry in the fstab file instructing it to mount read-write. Upon boot-up fsck was always giving an error about the root partition, but yet when I ran fsck it always reported 'clean' for me. I'm not sure what the most important difference was, but this lilo.conf worked: lba32 boot=/dev/sda root=/dev/sda2 install=/boot/boot.b map=/boot/map delay=50 vga=normal default=Linux image=/vmlinuz label=Linux read-only image=/vmlinuz.old label=LinuxOLD read-only optional where /vmlinuz was a symbolic link to /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.19pre17-compact. This lilo.conf seemed to not work for me (although it had worked earlier, extended with various kernel options, etc.): boot=/dev/sda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b #prompt lba32 #vga=ask timeout=50 default=linux image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.19pre17-compact label=linux root=/dev/sda2 read-only append = I noticed that under Linux the IDE drive is found whether or not it is enabled in BIOS. I disconnected power from it for awhile to make sure the system only saw the SCSI drive, but I don't think that was the problem after all. -Kris -Original Message- From: Robert Waldner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 6:18 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Problem booting my system On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:10:09 MDT, Kris Huber writes: With the boot sequence having scsi first, a program (the kernel, I assume) runs and prints 001 in an endless loop, filling the screen until I cntlaltdel. I have an IDE drive in the system (ext2 file system), but I've disabled it in BIOS in addition to not selecting it as a boot drive. Have you looked at http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2001/debian-user-200109/msg03337.html ? cheers, rw -- -- OS/X: Because making Unix user-friendly -- was easier than debugging Windows.
RE: download directories in ftp?
'prompt' toggles whether it asks you or not. -Original Message- From: Alexander Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 9:22 AM To: Rohan Deshpande Cc: Debian-User Mailing List Subject: Re: download directories in ftp? mget *, there are some options to make it not ask you but I don't remember now... Sorry.., On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Rohan Deshpande wrote: Hi all, Just wondering if there was a way to download full directories and their contents from remote places in the program 'ftp'. In the directory containing the directories and the contents that I want, i tried 'get *' but it wouldn't work .. any ideas? Cheers, Rohan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Text copy/paste feature not working for me
I did an install of the potato kernel and selected packages. I chose enlightenment and gnome under X11, which I've used before under kernel 2.4. A feature I use quite a bit, hi-lighting text with left mouse button, then middle-clicking to produce a copy of that text, is not working. I'm not sure just where to look for that feature. My suspicion is that my middle mouse button is not working. I have a serial mouse from Logitech and I selected a Logitech mouse driver during the install. For 3-button emulation I selected 'no' because it has 3 buttons and shouldn't need emulation. Under 2.4 a more generic mouse driver was used, I think. I'm quite new to installation issues. How do I try a different mouse driver? Thanks for any clue, Kris
Gnome panel not showing up
I did an install of the potato kernel and selected packages. I chose enlightenment and gnome under X11, which I've used before under kernel 2.4. My version of gnome is a bit older (at least control panel is). I'm puzzled why I don't have a panel across the bottom of the desktop. I think it is gnome-panel which does that, but although that package is installed, I don't have the panel, and there are no menu options related to the panel and it's maintenance (add new apps to lauch from it, etc.) Any clues? Thanks, Kris
Problem booting my system
Hello Debian enthusiasts, I'm having difficulty getting my system to boot off my SCSI hard disk. It boots off the rescue diskette, and I've rerun lilo after checking over the lilo.conf file. I got the following when I ran lilo: Reading boot sector from /dev/sda Warning: /dev/sda is not on the first disk Merging with /boot/boot.b Boot image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.19pre17-compact Added linux * The warning concerned me, but I figured it was because I had BIOS set to boot off the floppy first, if possible. With boot sequence floppy, scsi, cd, the system hangs after printing LI (without floppy in the drive). I can get the system up if I put a rescue floppy in and do boot: rescue root=/dev/sd2. With the boot sequence having scsi first, a program (the kernel, I assume) runs and prints 001 in an endless loop, filling the screen until I cntlaltdel. I have an IDE drive in the system (ext2 file system), but I've disabled it in BIOS in addition to not selecting it as a boot drive. The motherboard is an EPoX K7XA with 800 MHz Athlon processor. Any ideas of where to go from here? This first happened when rebooting after an 'apt-get upgrade' on my packages from the testing distribution of the 2.4 kernel. But obviously the problem was something else, because I've now installed the potato release and the problem hasn't gone away. Thanks for any clues, Kris
