Re: (Slightly OT) TZ settings for outgoing mail?
Marc Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is the mail client responsible for setting the time on outgoing mail? > I am running Sarge, with exim 3.36-16 and Thunderbird 1.0.2. I used > to live on the east coast (of the US) and am now living on the west > coast (3 TZs later). > > Output of tzconfig: > Your current time zone is set to US/Pacific > > Output of date: > Wed May 10 08:34:29 PDT 2006 > > But when I send e-mail, the header gets US/Atlantic time: > Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:57:20 -0400 > > The header above should have the time as: 07:57:20 -0700 > > The actual UTC time is the same, but it looks like I am sending e-mail > from the east coast, instead of the west coast. > > Thunderbird is also displaying the time of incoming mails as if I were > still on the east coast. This means that e-mail that was just sent > and received is showing a time that appears to be three hours in the > future. > > I don't know if this has been happening since we moved, and I just > noticed it, or if something has caused this to revert, somehow. Can > anyone tell me where this is set so that I can correct this? Take a look at http://kb.mozillazine.org/Time_and_time_zone_settings Anything funny in your user.js? (if you have one) Which desktop environment are you using? There the time is displayed correctly, I suppose? Any other software showing this behavior? Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian for AMD64
"David A. Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Have most packages been ported to the amd64 architecture, or is there > a limited selection? Check out http://buildd.debian.org/stats/ Yes, most packages have been ported. > I found the amd64 "testing" version here: > > http://amd64.debian.net/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/beta2/images/ > > But I wasn't sure if most packages had been ported to use the 64-bit > OS. Any problems there? AMD64 is now an official Debian port. At least unstable should be as usable as any other port. AFAIK testing is still not completely built. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Paul Johnson wrote: >> >> That's like claiming you're paying twice to cross a toll bridge, never mind >> there are usually alternate (longer) routes and the toll goes away once the >> bridge is paid for... >> > > Never been to Florida, eh? It is a state that is criss-crossed with > toll roads, where the toll was going to "go away" once the road was > payed for. Some of the roads have been toll roads for something like 30 > or 40 years. The problem is that government gets addicted to the money. Why should the government be different than everybody else? It is up to the legislative to setup controls over the government. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > As far as civic buildings and courts, it's obvious that you are either > just being argumentative or simply do not understand the role of > government. Civic buildings and courts (and roads and traffic signage, > for that matter) directly support the dailiy functioning of the > government. In the US at least, things like courts and other government > functions are enumerated in the constitution. Those include things like > the military, treasury, and so on. There is not a single word in the > constitution about the government providing public education. You know > why? It's not the government's job. Why do you refuse to see that? The U.S. Constitution does not list all 'jobs' of the government. It does not say the government is to build roads (except Post Roads). It does not mention the building of levees or similar structures, supporting hurricane victims or even bringing humanitarian aid to people in foreign countries. There are certainly many other things the U.S. government does and uses tax money for that are not explicitely mentioned in the constitution. To cite the U.S. Constitution (from http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html): , | Section 8 - Powers of Congress | | The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, | Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common | Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, | Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; ` The glossary for Welfare says (http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#WELFARE): , | Welfare | | welfare n. 1. health, happiness, or prosperity; well-being. [
Re: Where's Fred???
Magnus Therning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've been getting bounce messages like this for a little while now. > Where's Fred? I guess the mail server at fredbrooks.co.uk is broken. It should send bounces to lists.debian.org instead of the sender of the original mail. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
Curt Howland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thursday 04 May 2006 13:54, Matthias Julius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > was heard to say: >> Isn't better to support a child to live with his/her parents in a >> stable home environment instead of foster care? > > No one is arguing with you about such "better" ideas. Go ahead and > form such an organization, such a fund, and the likelyhood is that I > will contribute too because I agree with you. Foster care is paid for by (state?) tax money. I was just saying that I would rather give it to the parents to enable them to get their child educated instead of taking the child away and pay for foster care. > > It is not the programs, it's the coercion. I don't care how noble your > cause, if you hold a gun to my head to take my money it is ROBBERY. You should advocate for gun control then! ;-) (sorry, couldn't resist) Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: daylight saving time
Joris Huizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Paul Johnson wrote: >> On Friday 28 April 2006 11:19, Joris Huizer wrote: >> >>>How does one setup debian to automatically account for "daylight saving >>>time"? >> Debian does this automatically by default. Make sure you answer the >> questions regarding how your clock is set and where you are located >> during installation, or run tzconfig as root after installation to >> make sure your timezone setting is correct. >> > > That only asked whether my location was set correctly (it is) > Should I indicate the clock to be GMT for daylight saving time to > work? The machine was setup such that it isn't set to GMT; > Though I read that'd give problems with windows too :-/ No, no problems. It will just show the time in GMT (or, more accurately, UTC). You would have to turn off the automatic daylight savings time adjustment. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Wulfy wrote: >> >> Hmm... and who pays for this "foster-schooling"? The state? >> > Just like they do now with food and clothes. I had a friend who was a > foster parent for several years. He and his wife have taken in many > kids over the years. Basically, he said it went like this: > > - take in foster child > - spend up to $X on clothing (which is reimbursed by the state, of > course you can spend more and it won't be reimbursed) > - spend up to $Y on food (same as above) > - ensure the child receives necessary medical care (many have been > abused, etc; this is also reimbursed) > > There is no reason why school can't fit into the same model. In this > case, someone has volunteerd (out of the goodness of his heart) to take > in foster children to give them a more stable home environment than what > they were getting before. The government compensates them for their > expenses. This is not a difficult thing. Isn't better to support a child to live with his/her parents in a stable home environment instead of foster care? Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Matthias Julius wrote: >> >> Is there no other way to create a motive other than money? >> > There are other ways. Profit, however, is provably the most effective. Below you say charities and church would setup more schools if they had not to compete against public schools. Profit is certainly no motive there. > I mean the Soviets (formerly) and the Cubans (currently) motivate their > economies with fear. I think we can safely say it doesn't work as well. > >>> >>>Absolutely. I volunteer teach at my church's academy (K-12). They >>>charge about $2000/year in tuition becauase they want to stay affordable >>>to the working class families in the meighborhood where the church is >>>located. They do an absolutely bang-up job. Far better than most >>>public schools (and I had an *outstanding* public school experience). >> >> >> This has nothing to do with a profit oriented, competetive business. >> Do you think this could be a wide-spread model based on donations? >> > Yes, I think if all education were private you would see many more > church organizations, espcially in poor neighborhoods, start up schools > at low cost. Personally I think that if only church schools were accessible to the poor would be not a good thing. But, this is a different issue. I don't want to start a religious debate here. > The problem is that many can't since they can't compete with "free." > My church's school is, I think, very fortunate becuase some wealthy > individuals have donated for scholarship funds and that has allowed > them to admit students from families that are even under the poverty > line. > > This tells me that there families out there for whom a good (in this > case Christian) education is so important to them that they are willing > to sacrifice to put their child(ren) in a good school. Anyone claims > that private education is only for the wealthy is wrong. This depends on how you define wealthy. Another aspect of a public school system is that it is supposed to provide equal opportunities to everyone independently form wealth. It is supposed to make money not the deciding factor when deciding whether to send a child to school or not. > Maslow's hierarchy of needs is focused on the individual. Not only > that, but your criteria originaly was "to live." Now you are expading > it to include "be part of society." Those are two different things. I was referring to "human-like life". This is a bit more than just to make sure that person a doesn't die. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Matthias Julius wrote: >> >> Excuse me, but there is no provision to provide basic needs like food >> and medical care for poor people in the US? >> > > There is. However, the majority of it is handled through private > donations. Rescue missions, soup kitchens, that sort of thing. > Providing *emergency* medical care to those who can't pay, even to > indigents, is a requirement (placed by the government) of practically > every hospital. The rest of us who can pay get to subsidize through > higher insurance and medical costs, no taxes involved there (usually). What is the medicare tax for that I pay? > > Now, I personally thing that such community outreach activites are the > province of local *charities*. It's that simple. If people *want* to > help with things, then let them. But don't force them at gun point > (basically what the government does). It is great when there are people who want to donate time and resources to social services. But, I wouldn't want to put the fate of the people in need on whether there are enough donations coming together to support their life. Besides, the US government is spending tax money for other social activities like supporting hurricane victims. It is even spending money in foreign countries. And certainly not every tax payer is approving this. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Please explain to me why schooling must be treated differently from food > clothing and medical care. Really, explain it. If a parent neglects > his or her child, the child suffers. This is no different. Your > argument is like saying that because the government does not ration food > out to everyone, if a parent doesn't feed his child that the child is > made responsible. That is patently absurd. Excuse me, but there is no provision to provide basic needs like food and medical care for poor people in the US? Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Matthias Julius wrote: >>> >>>- they are selling more than before >>>- it is costing *more* to get the oil out of the ground >> >> >> I doubt this cost has gone up 50% in the last year. >> > So what? It is a free market. If there is more demand, then they can > charge more. Ever try to get a hotel room in a city while the Olympic > Games were in town? They are *ultra* expensive. Should congress > investigate Atlanta and Salt Lake City for allowing that to happen? NO! > Keep the supply fixed and increase the demand -> higher prices. I am > stunned that so few people understand this. I understand. I was just replying to your statement above. > >> >>>- we give them tax breaks because we want the companies to keep as much >>>of their business within our borders as possible >> >> >> One could also penalize the import of foreign oil. >> > ??? > > It is obvious that you do not understand economics. Tarrifs benefit > *noone*, except for the entrenched local base. They hurt customers more > than anything else. Seriously, you complain about gas prices and then > say we should put an additional tax on foreign oil? Don't you think > that will raise proces. Yes they will. Unlike tax breaks that won't lower prices. They tend to get silently ignored by the sales people. >> Well, of course, a business is all about maximizing profits. This is >> the way it is and I don't want to condemn any company for trying do >> that (not even Microsoft). The question is whether they need special >> help for that. >> > That's true. I hate corporate welfare with passion. If the government > needs to give a company an incentive to operate here rather than > somewhere cheaper (i.e., a foreign country), then that is fine. But > tarrifs are a no go for me, as are unnecessary incentives. I think, here the reasons for wanting them to operate here are mostly not economical. But, that's fine. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Matthias Julius wrote: >> "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> >>>Then that's what you would do with private education. >> >> >> I thought you were suggesting home schooling. >> > Either private education or homeschool. Either way, it's not like the > penalty levied on people now becuase they pay taxes for public > education, whether they use it (or ever would) or not. You can not homeschool when you need to go to work. You feel it as a penalty. I think it is a necessity. People pay taxes (indirectly) based on their income. People who contribute less than they would have to pay for tuition benefit from the public school system. This is the whole point. Of course, this assumes public schools provide the education they are meant to. > >> >>>Yes. Please see my previous comments about the Postal Service as an >>>example of how this *could* work. I still maintain that all private is >>>the way to go, but there are other ways it could work. As long as the >>>proposed method doesn't involve forcible redistribution of wealth, I am >>>all for it. >> >> >> I'm afraid it would not work without it. Do you want to base the >> education of children who's parents can not afford to pay for the >> education of their kids on voluntary redistribution of wealth, on >> charity? Or how do you think it should be paid for? >> > > I think it is the responsibility of the parent. Just like feeding and > clothing a child. What happens when a parent does not feed or cloth a > child? The child is removed from the home for neglect and placed into > foster care. I don't see why it should be any different for school. Yes, it is the responsibility of the parents to care for their children. But, how about those who are unable to? Those who are unwilling to should get their children removed. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Matthias Julius wrote: >> "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> >>>The problem is that public schools are very wasteful. >> >> >> Is there no way of improving this? There were examples of public >> schools brought up in this thread that actually do work. >> > Again, the problem is that the lack of a profit motive hampers efficiency. Is there no other way to create a motive other than money? >> Do you believe private schools would be a lot cheaper than they are >> now and still maintaining a high standard? >> > Absolutely. I volunteer teach at my church's academy (K-12). They > charge about $2000/year in tuition becauase they want to stay affordable > to the working class families in the meighborhood where the church is > located. They do an absolutely bang-up job. Far better than most > public schools (and I had an *outstanding* public school experience). This has nothing to do with a profit oriented, competetive business. Do you think this could be a wide-spread model based on donations? > Please go and review Maslow's Hierarchy of Need. Basically, you need > food, clothes, shelter and physical security (e.g., survival) to live. > Everything else is a bonus. I would add education to that. While it is not required for the functioning of the human body it is essential to be part of our society. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Matthias Julius wrote: > > I don't enable them. They enable themselves. Right. If everyone takes caro of himself everyone is taken care of. > Please repeay after me, "It is not the government's responsibility > to be a nanny." People need to take responsibility for themselves > and their own actions. The abrogation of personal responsibility is > one of the greatest travesties of the 20th century. You don't see the possibility that people are not responsible for their misfortune? How do you want to make a child responsible for his parents not being able to pay school tuition? Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
Curt Howland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Monday 01 May 2006 21:02, Matthias Julius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > was heard to say: >> The same is true for drugs and other controlled substances. Would >> you vote making them freely available? > > At every opportunity. If you don't approve, then don't use them. > > This is merely a restatement of what I have already written: Do not > advocate the use of force against me when I have done you no harm. > > It is no different than making Windows illegal because it's so easy to > hack into and "abuse". Or making women wear full-body-covering > clothes because otherwise they will "tempt" men. It's all the same > argument, and if you disapprove of one, then you're a hypocrite for > supporting some others. The use of drugs mostly harms the one who uses it. To prevent people from hacking Windows is Microsofts interest, so they can decide it weather to distribute it. Women can decide whether they want to "tempt" men. Everybody can decide what to do with his live. I would support that. In the contrary people with guns usually harm somebody else. After someone has harmed me it is too late to advocate the use of force against him. Matthias
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Please see the previous email about the guy whose dad was a civil > engineer in the USAF (sorry I forget who it was). *That* is how > government works. I have heard similar stories, not only from within the US. But, is this the way a government *has* to work? > It is bureaucratic. It does things that do not make sense to any > rational person. It does things that would be considered patently > illegal if done by a private citizen or private business. Maybe not done by a private business but within. Departments within larger private businesses sometimes have the same problem. The issue is not the fact that it is a government organization it is its size. The farther away and the less directly connnected a person is who decides over a budget the worse it gets. But, is there no way to provide incentives to a person within a government organization to make sensible decisions? Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I would *certainly* want to put private profit interest above a social > system. Know why? There is no stronger motivator in business than > profit. Please look at the quality and level of service of monopoly > phone carrier ISPs (bellsouth, sbc, etc) compared to the indenepdents > (SpeakEasy sticks out in my mind). SpeakEasy is *cheaper* and has > service that is light years ahead the monopoly carriers. I don't see how a profit oriented business could be social. How would you enable people from the lower end of society to get their children educated? > > What you are saying is that if the government controlled everything, we > would be better off. That might work someplace like the Star Trex: TNG > universe, but places like Cuba and the USSR have shown what that would > really be like. No, I don't want the government to control everything. I want it to control natural monopolies like the road system. And I want it to ensure that nobody is left out and everyone has the basics to survive and to get a chance in live. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
"Fisher, Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Has anyone commented on the notion that gun control only keeps guns out > of law-abiding citizens? This idea that you can take guns away from > everyone hasn't been proven to work anywhere. Nobody said you could take guns away from everyone. But you could raise the effort required to get one and therefore limit the number of guns around. How many crimes are commited by people who have been law-abiding citizens up to that point? I believe many of those could be prevented. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Matthias Julius wrote: > >> Maybe if noone had a gun to threaten you with you wouldn't need one to >> defend yourself? > > So then what about carving knives, chainsaws, baseball bats, > automobiles... I didn't say violence would cease to exist. > > Again, if someone is intent on doing you harm, which is against the law, > another law which tells them they can't use a particular method to do you harm > is going to deter them? Yes. Shooting someone with a gun is too easy. > > Finally, it there is a moral double standard here. "I am unwilling to > take responsibility to protect myself... I pay that person over there to risk > his life to defend mine! Furthermore I do not feel you, a complete stranger, > have the right to defend yourself as you might hurt me. But that aformention > perfect stranger is a-ok!" How many people are really able to protect themselfes against a violent criminal? AFAIK in all Europe small firearms are prohibited from the general public. And I don't think it is a problem there. Hardly any police officer died on his job over there neither. And if this does happen it involves highly violent criminals against whom a gun would not help the average person. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Matthias Julius wrote: >> >> How do you recognize well-intentioned and law-abiding citizens? What >> makes this difficult is that people change. They buy a gun as a >> well-intentioned and law-abiding citizen in case they need to defend >> themselfes. Then a while later when they are upset or drunk they find >> they have a gun handy and do harm somebody else. A lot of such >> violent crimes are committed out of an emotional reaction. While >> taking away guns may not completely prevent all such crimes ti might >> make them less harmfull. Using a gun is too easy. >> > So, because little Johnny *might* misbehave, the whole third grade is > not allowed to attend the museum field trip. Yup, that's definitely the > way to go. A hand gun is solely made to harm other people. How can you compare the possession of a gun to a museum field trip of third graders? How many people needed their gun for self defence? Did you? And how many people used their gun to harm others? Do you know of any such statistics? > If I was in my home and some invader came in, I would not want to first > find out what he was carrying and get a matching weapon. That is > lunacy. I want to know that I can defend myself. Besides, how will > make sure that noone has a gun? I don't think nobody will have a gun just because there is a law that prohibits it. But, I think the availability of guns will be drastically reduced and so will be the likelyhood that one will be pointed at you. It is just too easy to shoot someone with a gun. Any 10 year old can do that. It is much more voilent energy required to beat someone up. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Matthias Julius wrote: >> "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> >>>Matthias Julius wrote: >>> >>>>Curt Howland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>For $200, you can get the Robinson Curriculum, a complete K-12 home >>>>>study kit, except math books. Math books are $50 each, new, approx >>>>>one per year depending on student speed and aptitude of course. >>>>> >>>>>So even at the slowest, full 13 years worth of math books and the rest >>>>>of it, is $850. Total. And you get to resell or reuse the math books. >>>> >>>> >>>>How do you do that when you have to go to work? >>>> >>> >>>How do you do it *now* when you have to go to work? >> >> >> I send them to school? >> > Then that's what you would do with private education. I thought you were suggesting home schooling. > Yes. Please see my previous comments about the Postal Service as an > example of how this *could* work. I still maintain that all private is > the way to go, but there are other ways it could work. As long as the > proposed method doesn't involve forcible redistribution of wealth, I am > all for it. I'm afraid it would not work without it. Do you want to base the education of children who's parents can not afford to pay for the education of their kids on voluntary redistribution of wealth, on charity? Or how do you think it should be paid for? Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The problem is that public schools are very wasteful. Is there no way of improving this? There were examples of public schools brought up in this thread that actually do work. > With private schools all competing for the market, I can virtually > guarantee that the market average cost to educate a student would be > much less than what is being spent now by the government. Even if all schools were private IMHO they would require some regulation to maintain some common standard. Do private schools actually provide school busses? Do you believe private schools would be a lot cheaper than they are now and still maintaining a high standard? > >> And to get everyone educated benefits everyone in a community - not >> only those with children. >> > Agreed. It also benefits everyone to have air travel, but we are not > all taxed so everyone can fly for "free." While air travel is not essential for live - education is. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Matthias Julius wrote: >> Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> >>>Cybe R. Wizard wrote: >>> >>>>US $9,900,000,000 (billion) profits /by one oil company/ in one >>>>quarter when retail prices were skyrocketing. Does that seem like the >>>>oil cartel has the American interests at heart? >>> >>>Didn't I address just this in a message 2 days ago? I make a widget for >>>$1, sell it for $1.10, make $.10 and everything's ok. I make 2 trillion >>>widgets for $1, sell them for $1.10, make 20 billion and there's a >>>congressional hearing into the matter even though the price per widget, my >>>profit margin, never changed. >> >> >> The situation is a little be different here. They're not suddenly >> selling 2 trillion widgets instead of one. They are selling each one >> of them for $1.50 instead of $1.10. And why do they need special tax >> breaks when they seem to do well? >> > > However: > > - they are selling more than before > - it is costing *more* to get the oil out of the ground I doubt this cost has gone up 50% in the last year. > - we give them tax breaks because we want the companies to keep as much > of their business within our borders as possible One could also penalize the import of foreign oil. > > Please understand, tax breaks (unless they are done in a completely > brain dead way) almost always result in a net *benefit* to the > economy. The trick is to keep the right balance there. Since the economy also benefits from services provided by the state made possible by tax revenue. And to give tax breaks and increase debt at the same time can only be a short term solution. > Besides, why are you against them raising prices? If the market will > bear it, they are free to do so. If you go to auction and someone > outbids you, are you upset becuase you are not willing to pay as much as > the other guy? Well, of course, a business is all about maximizing profits. This is the way it is and I don't want to condemn any company for trying do that (not even Microsoft). The question is whether they need special help for that. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
Rich Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On May 2, 2006, at 7:22 AM, Matthias Julius wrote: > >> "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> [...snip...] >>> If people are concerned about their ability to pay for education >>> individually, they can form co-ops. Basically, you are subsidizing >>> other people's kids going to school. Even if it doesn't bother >>> you, it >>> bothers me. >> >> While co-ops might help somewhat I don't think they are the solution. >> What does it help when a bunch of poor guys form a co-op? They still >> would not have funds to send their kids to a private school. Maybe >> they could hire a teacher. What do you think where the quality of >> that education goes? > > Do either of you two have any real-world experience with co-ops? It is very limited. But, while I can imagine how it works for a housing co-op for example I have difficulties to see how a school co-op would be much more cost effective than a public school while still providing good quality education. And I don't necessarily mean an average US public school. I think wa all agree that there are deficits. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 07:22:30AM -0400, Matthias Julius wrote: >> While co-ops might help somewhat I don't think they are the solution. >> What does it help when a bunch of poor guys form a co-op? They still >> would not have funds to send their kids to a private school. Maybe >> they could hire a teacher. What do you think where the quality of >> that education goes? > > To the bottom. Exactly where education goes when it is funded by tiny > municipalities. There will be a few rich communities that pay for rich > education, and there will be impoverished ones that provide > impoverished or no education. That said, even the rich may not have the > insight to distinguish between good education and expensive education. > Heaven help the education system when loudmouthed parents take over > instead of the most competent. I agree with that. To put the burden of funding education on the local community is maybe not the best thing to do. I think this should be centralized and coordinated at least at state level. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
"Matthew R. Dempsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I can understand that viewpoint, but I still dislike the premise that > they can be provided only be the government itself. If the government > must involve itself, I'd like to see it encouraging competition among > providers of these services, rather than siphon away citizen's money to > fund one huge provider that has no incentives to be efficient. I wouldn't want to put private profit interests above a social system. The idea is that everyone contributes according to his abilities and people benefit who need it. Contributors and beneficiaries are usually not the same. How do you do that with a privatized system? Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How about food and clothing? Should the community "provide" those? How > about transportation? Yes, local phone service, too. Everything needed to get people off the streets and give them a chance to take care of themselfes. > If people are concerned about their ability to pay for education > individually, they can form co-ops. Basically, you are subsidizing > other people's kids going to school. Even if it doesn't bother you, it > bothers me. While co-ops might help somewhat I don't think they are the solution. What does it help when a bunch of poor guys form a co-op? They still would not have funds to send their kids to a private school. Maybe they could hire a teacher. What do you think where the quality of that education goes? Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
"Cybe R. Wizard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, 01 May 2006 15:24:21 -0700 > Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Matthias Julius wrote: >> > The same is true for drugs and other controlled substances. Would >> > you vote making them freely available? >> >> I would, and have. Or rather, at the very least, decriminalized >> the ones that are criminalized now. Because "drugs" encompasses more >> than just the illegal ones I presume you're referring to. > > So would I. I believe that well-intentioned and law-abiding citizens > should be free to do/buy/possess whatever they wish as long as it > harms no one. How do you recognize well-intentioned and law-abiding citizens? What makes this difficult is that people change. They buy a gun as a well-intentioned and law-abiding citizen in case they need to defend themselfes. Then a while later when they are upset or drunk they find they have a gun handy and do harm somebody else. A lot of such violent crimes are committed out of an emotional reaction. While taking away guns may not completely prevent all such crimes ti might make them less harmfull. Using a gun is too easy. > I can easily foresee a possible need for heroin or cocaine. Any > problem arises when one wishes to do unlawful things (things which > harm others). Why should the law-abiding pay for those who do not > wish to abide by the common rules of free men? for instance, if > some people use guns to threaten/harm others why would a government > disallow guns to the common free man who will only use them in > defense of his family and possessions? Maybe if noone had a gun to threaten you with you wouldn't need one to defend yourself? > Maybe so that same government could pass imminent domain laws to > take away legal possessions from that man? Fear your government, > any type of government. Isn't that a bit paranoid? Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Cybe R. Wizard wrote: >> US $9,900,000,000 (billion) profits /by one oil company/ in one >> quarter when retail prices were skyrocketing. Does that seem like the >> oil cartel has the American interests at heart? > > Didn't I address just this in a message 2 days ago? I make a widget for > $1, sell it for $1.10, make $.10 and everything's ok. I make 2 trillion > widgets for $1, sell them for $1.10, make 20 billion and there's a > congressional hearing into the matter even though the price per widget, my > profit margin, never changed. The situation is a little be different here. They're not suddenly selling 2 trillion widgets instead of one. They are selling each one of them for $1.50 instead of $1.10. And why do they need special tax breaks when they seem to do well? Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Matthias Julius wrote: >> Curt Howland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> >>>For $200, you can get the Robinson Curriculum, a complete K-12 home >>>study kit, except math books. Math books are $50 each, new, approx >>>one per year depending on student speed and aptitude of course. >>> >>>So even at the slowest, full 13 years worth of math books and the rest >>>of it, is $850. Total. And you get to resell or reuse the math books. >> >> >> How do you do that when you have to go to work? >> > How do you do it *now* when you have to go to work? I send them to school? > >> >>>The public schools in the United States spend MORE THAN $10,000 (TEN >>>THOUSAND DOLLARS) per student EACH YEAR, EVERY YEAR, and it's only >>>going up. >> >> >> Why is that so? Just because it is a public school? Why is a public >> school by definition so different from a private school? Is there no >> way of making a public school more (cost-)efficient? >> > No. That is the point. By definition, government has no incentive to > be efficient. If it did, half the problems (number pulled from my hat) > that exist in American government would likely cease to exist. If > schools were run more like the Postal Service, that would be a step in > the right direction. But wait, we actually have to *pay* postage. So > if people want to continue to be able to send their kids to school for > "free," there is no way to make it efficient. I don't think any government likes to be beaten for increasing debt or raising taxes. And improving the public school system could be a very good reason for reelection. What the public school system lacks is an equivalent of revenue, some benchmark other than the grades of its graduates. Those are cheap. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Matthias Julius wrote: >> So there are people without children who pay for public education. >> This means the average parent who has kids in a public school is >> paying less than what he would have to if he had to pay it all by >> himself. > > Yes, because the childless person just doesn't need that money at all. > Nope. They exist solely to subsidize the lifestyle choices of those with > children. It just shows that not everyone could pay his children's tuition with the money he is contributing to the public school system. Of course, since everyones contribution is directly or indirectly based on income this seems unfair to the wealthier. And to get everyone educated benefits everyone in a community - not only those with children. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Doesn't that make you feel cheap, though? I mean, I can understand if > you are unemployed or if you have fallen on hard times financially. > However, I don't particularly like the fact that I and my neighbors > (very few of whom have school age children, must are grown up) are > *forced* by the government to subsidize education for *everyone else's* > children. You can understand from the point of view of somebody in need for support to get his children educated. But, where should the money come from? I think a community should provide its members with the basic necessities to have a human-like live and to have chance to improve it. This requires education, housing, social and physical security. Those members who can afford it will have to pay for it. It falls back on the community if these members who can not support themselfes are left out. I currently live in the US and I pay taxes here. And I am OK with it although my kids will probably never go to school here and I certainly could use the money for something else. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
Curt Howland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Non-sequiter. Mere "gun use" is in no way anti-social. I can use a > fire-extinguisher to crush someone's skull in, the largest mass > murder in American history was perpetrated with airplanes. Neither of > these acts reflects upon fire-extinguishers or airplanes, or the > people who own or use them daily. > > Even more important, guns, fire-extinguishers and airplanes do not > have "behavior", they are inanimate objects entirely subjet to the > will of the individual wielding them. This is an important > distinction often lost in the emotionally heated debate over > prohibition. The same is true for drugs and other controlled substances. Would you vote making them freely available? Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
Curt Howland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > For $200, you can get the Robinson Curriculum, a complete K-12 home > study kit, except math books. Math books are $50 each, new, approx > one per year depending on student speed and aptitude of course. > > So even at the slowest, full 13 years worth of math books and the rest > of it, is $850. Total. And you get to resell or reuse the math books. How do you do that when you have to go to work? > > The public schools in the United States spend MORE THAN $10,000 (TEN > THOUSAND DOLLARS) per student EACH YEAR, EVERY YEAR, and it's only > going up. Why is that so? Just because it is a public school? Why is a public school by definition so different from a private school? Is there no way of making a public school more (cost-)efficient? Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > OK. (This assumes you own a home). Figure out how much you paid in > property taxes last year. Multiply that by 50. Now, do you think you > could fund your child(ren)'s education for 12 years on that? I could > probably afford to educate about 10 children, just on that money. Not > to mention that where I live, there is an additional "education levy" on > top of the regular property tax. Does your whole property tax go towards public schools? I imagine this would only be a fraction of that. > > Even better, people who are childless are no longer burdened with paying > for education of children they don't even have. So there are people without children who pay for public education. This means the average parent who has kids in a public school is paying less than what he would have to if he had to pay it all by himself. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: daylight savings error on reboot
"Matt Price" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I believe my system clock is set to UTC, and I don't have any other OS > operating on the system. If your system clock is set to UTC it should never be changed for daylight savings time. If it is changed on every boot than you system probably doesn't know that it is supposed to be on UTC. > Apr 11 22:12:09 anarres kernel: Real Time Clock Driver v1.12 > Apr 20 07:17:36 anarres postfix/cleanup[1599]: warning: file system > clock is 3568 seconds ahead of local clock > Apr 21 07:00:03 anarres postfix/qmgr[9884]: warning: backward time > jump detected -- slewing clock > Apr 25 17:20:48 anarres kernel: Real Time Clock Driver v1.12 > Apr 26 06:00:08 anarres postfix/qmgr[9916]: warning: backward time > jump detected -- slewing clock > Apr 26 06:46:16 anarres kernel: Real Time Clock Driver v1.12 > > These don't seem to me to give much help, escept for the lone postfix > message "file system clock is ahead of local clock". I'm not exactly > sure what that means though, any pointers? It probably means that postfix has found some files from future because the time had been adjusted backwards. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Date problem
Torquil Macdonald Sørensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > TZ=CEST didn't have any effect, and /etc/timezone contains a > line "Europe/Oslo" which is correct. Did you export it? > > I have found the problem now by comparing the strace output from the date > command running as root and as tmac. The problem was that only root had read > access to the file /etc/localtime. After enabling read access for others it > now works correctly also for 'tmac'. > > I am not exactly sure, but the problem may have started when I tried to > adjust > the time using KDE. > > Many thanks for your kind assistance, Matthias! No problem. Sometimes all you need is someone to help you to keep thinking about your problem. Matthias
Re: daylight savings error on reboot
Matt Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm having a wierd phebomenon. Every time I reboot, the clock gets > set back an additional hour, as though my ocmputer were adjusting for > daylight savings time again. I've noticed this ever the latest time > change, though I had thought it was an error due to suspend2's > hibernate/resume funciton. Now I notice that it happens on normal > reboot as well. Any ideas how to diagnose & fix this problem? Do you have Windows installed on the same computer as well? If not you should set your hardware clock to UTC. If the clock is set to local time how is it determined whether the daylight savings status has changed since last shutdown? Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Date problem
Torquil Macdonald Sørensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It reports UTC when run as 'tmac', and CEST when run as 'root': > > As root: > tmac:/home/tmac# date > Thu Apr 27 19:50:37 CEST 2006 > > As tmac: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~$ date > Thu Apr 27 17:50:49 UTC 2006 Since when is it doing so? You could try to set TZ=CEST. What is the content of /etc/timezone? Matthias
Re: Policy Violation
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Matthias Julius writes: >> When do postmasters learn that the From address of a SPAM/virus mail is >> probably forged? > > I think that some antivirus software is deliberately configured to do this > by default. The salesdroids figure (probably correctly) that some of those > they spam will rush out and buy their product. That's why the admins need to be made aware of this. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Date problem
Torquil Macdonald Sørensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thursday 27 April 2006 13:49, Matthias Julius wrote: >> >> Do you set the TZ environment variable anywhere in your ~/.bashrc, >> ~/.bash_profile or so? > > No, I have the following environment variables set: > > [...] What timezone does 'date' report? Is it the right one? Matthias
Re: Policy Violation
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > The following message sent by this account has violated system policy: > > Connection From: 84.173.93.103 > From: debian-user@lists.debian.org > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:00:10 -0500 > Subject: Re: Delivery Protection When do postmasters learn that the From address of a SPAM/virus mail is probably forged? I have sent them a message to let them know it is inapropriate to inform debian-user that they detected a virus. Maybe if some more people do that they will wake up. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Date problem
Torquil Macdonald Sørensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have some problems with the 'date' command: > > 'hwclock --show' outputs 08:00 > 'date' (as user root) outputs 08:00 > 'date' (as user tmac) outputs 06:00 > > and the KDE clock (running as user tmac) outputs 08:00 > > What is responsible for the incorrect output when running 'date' as user > tmac? My /etc/default/rcS contains 'UTC=no'. Do you set the TZ environment variable anywhere in your ~/.bashrc, ~/.bash_profile or so? Matthias
Re: mozilla mplayer plugin does not play video
"H.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If I click on a video link, mozilla mplayer plugin shows that it is > downloading the file but doesn't really play anything. After the > download is complete, it tells as much and then it either doesn't do > anything or just prints "Stopped" message in the mplayer window (which > is within the browser). Do you have an example video link? Is this the case with every video? Do you see the mplayer controls in the mplayer window? If so, have you tried to hit the play button? I sometimes have to do that to get the plugin play the video. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: afraid to upgrade libc6 and libc6-dev
Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Isn't that the purpose of symlinks to kernel images? so you don't have > to rerun for new kernels with same name? This is so that the lilo.conf doesn't need to be changed. The lilo bootloader doesn't know anything about filesystems. And it doesn't care about filenames. When you run lilo it saves raw disk block numbers for where the kernel and its initrd is stored on disk. Since there is no trivial way to ensure these blocknumbers don't change when you install a new kernel you have to rerun lilo. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Playing midi?
Wulfy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hmm... I know a little about midi, but not much. Since I'm able to > play it with some application, I should think it would be possible > with any... AFAIK Timidity is not really a MIDI application as it does not use the MIDI sequencer. Instead it converts the MIDI input itself and outputs it as wave form. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thought on receiving two answers...
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I do this to the point where I'll go to reply to my mom or something and hit > L > in kMail...type my reply, hit send, then get a modal telling me I didn't > specify an email address. kMail in sid is *really* good about detecting > mailing lists, even if a bunch of mailing lists share the same folder, > without any user configuration identifying the lists. It just automagically > works. It's not black magic or magic of any kind. Proper mailing lists send a List-Post header to specify where posts to the list should be sent. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
Richard Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > All very strange. I grew up with lowercase for small, uppercase for large: > >m milli- 10^-3 >c centi- 10^-2 >d deci-10^-1 > >D deca-10 >H hecta- 10^2 >K kilo-10^3 > >M mega-10^6 >G giga-10^9 > >etc... Everything up to kilo is lowercase. See http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary_Appendix:SI_units#SI_prefixes_.28with_symbols_in_parentheses.29 Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What do you need a graphical display for? If everything is properly set > up, special characters will display just fine in text mode. For a few > weeks I read mail using mutt, including -l10n-romanian, where special > characters are used on regular basis and sometimes are a must. No > problem reading that. Exactly. I could imagine native English speakers not to bother with other than ASCII character encodings. Because normally they only need ASCII characters. Others would use an encoding that covers their language + ASCII. If there are different encodings possible then the software has to translate between them. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Let me re-iterate in case that wasn't clear enough. There are many text > formats, of which ISO *is* one. But ASCII is the only subset common to > almost all, and consequently IMHO is the most appropriate for a public > formum where you can't make assumptions about the locale or operating > system of all readers... Nobody needs to make assumptions. That's what the charset parameter in the Content-Type header is for. It is up to a properly configured user agent to translate the used encoding into one the display can handle. Of course not all characters might be available there. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Let me re-iterate in case that wasn't clear enough. There are many text > formats, of which ISO *is* one. But ASCII is the only subset common to > almost all, and consequently IMHO is the most appropriate for a public > formum where you can't make assumptions about the locale or operating > system of all readers... > > Regards, > DigbyT > -- > Digby R. S. Tarvin > digbyt(at)digbyt.com > http://www.digbyt.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CUPS with Samba and Debian
Raleigh Guevarra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Any1 here knows how to setup cups with samba and debian and print to a > printer from a windows client pc? Read the samba documemtation. There is a lengthy chapter about this subject. See /usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/CUPS-printing.html (package samba-doc) Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Only if they want "most" people to read what they write. > Should people who use Hindi characters change? > How about Arabic? Hebrew? How about Linear B? If someone posts Arabic text then he might use Arabic characters with a proper encoding. Do you want people to post Arabic with ASCII characters? > > Why do we even want people only to post in English? Why not post > in whatever your native tongue is? Because this is by definition an English list. But, if someone needs to include an Arabic word in his post I have no problem if he actually uses Arabic characters. If then not everybody can see them because of his local setup - well, so be it. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail-Followup-To in muttng? [was Re: Thought on receiving two answers...]
"Monique Y. Mudama" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 2006-04-19, Wayne Topa penned: >>> >> >> folder-hook debian-user my_hdr Reply-To: >> 'debian-user@lists.debian.org' > > It must be considered harmful by somebody: > > http://gmane.org/faq.php > > [quote] > But I did use a valid email address. > Perhaps you did in your From, but your Reply-To address pointed to the > mailing list. Don't do that. > [/quote] > > Other than that (and I'm not sure why they don't like it), it sounds > like a reasonable approach to me. There is a distinction between a reply (goes to the sender) and a followup (goes to the list). Gnus for example supports both concepts (don't know about other user agents). Now if somebody wants to send a (private) reply to the sender and the sender had set Reply-To to the list the mail goes to the list instead. This might be not a good thing. Another aspect is that there is no convenient way to send a private reply to the sender when he had set Reply-To to the list. You then can only do this by manually copy/paste of the From address. The worst is when the list manager software automaticalle sets Reply-To to the list address. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Wulfy wrote: >> Digby Tarvin wrote: >>> When I read your original message I see a Cyrillic capital 'D' between >>> the 'J' and the 'germeister'. If I use vi or cat to view the message, I >>> see 'J=E4germeister' or 'J0xe4germeister', which is less than clear.. >>> >> Not if you have your locale set to a UTF-8 locale like en_GB-UTF-8... > > Which was my point. Using "Jaegermeister" is locale independent. Mutt (and any recent user agent) should be able to recognize character encodings as defined in a mail header and translate it into whatever locale is used. Of course it can not display characters that don't have a representation in the encoding used by the locale or in the font you are using. But, it should not display some other characters (like a Cyrillic capital "D" instead of a German "a" umlaut). The whole character mess is going on and on. I can only encourage everybody to just use UTF-8 as character encoding. Which user agents are left that can not deal with that? Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Nope. Both the "K" and the "k" have been used in electronics > to mean "times 1000" since I got involved in about 1965 or so. That might be. But, SI standard only knows about "k". Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > There isn't anything non-ISO about "ä", including it in a message doesn't > make > it "not text only". Right. > The "ae" is a poorman form of "æ". In German it is perfectly legitimate to use "ae" instead of "ä" if you can not use that for what ever reason. It is just ugly. The character "æ" is used nowhere in German. Matthias
Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, 2006-04-12 at 12:32 -0400, Matthias Julius wrote: >> >> Yes, there is. As example here is part of the output of mdadm: >> >> Array Size : 468872448 (447.15 GiB 480.13 GB) >> Device Size : 156290816 (149.05 GiB 160.04 GB) >> ^^^^^ >> >> Note there is GiB (gibibyte) which is 1024 MiB (mebibyte) and there is >> GB (gigabyte) which is 1000 MB (megabyte). > > If GB is decimal, then why aren't the sizes > 468.87 GB > 156.29 GB Why should they be? Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg 7.0 in unstable for amd64 architecture has unmet dependencies
David Broome <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Package: xorg > Version: 7:1:0:10 > > Hello. > I don't see this reported and just wanted to make sure since I have never > file a bug report before. > > When upgrade to xorg 1:7.0 in unstable, it has unmet dependencies. Here is > the > output: > > The following packages have unmet dependencies. > xorg: Depends: xfonts-base (>= 1:1.0.0-1) but 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 is to be > installed > Depends: xfonts-100dpi (>= 1:1.0.0-1) but 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 is to be > installed > Depends: xfonts-75dpi (>= 1:1.0.0-1) but 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 is to be > installed > Depends: xfonts-scalable (>= 1:1.0.0-1) but 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 is to be > installed Those are not architecture specific. > Depends: xbase-clients (>= 1:1.0.1-1) but 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 is to be > installed This is currently building. > Depends: xutils (>= 1:1.0.1-1) but 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 is to be > installed There the current version is 1:7.0.0-3 What mirror are you using? The above is true for debian.org. Does your apt prefer testing? In other words: What is the output of "apt-cache policy xutils"? Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
"David R. Litwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> To put it into perspective, what we think of the Metric system is what the >> rest of the world thinks of English measure. A gigabyte is 1024 MB, not >> 1000, dammit! > > Really? There is a metric byte-system? I've never heard of such a thing. I > even live in Canada and use the metric system! Yes, there is. As example here is part of the output of mdadm: Array Size : 468872448 (447.15 GiB 480.13 GB) Device Size : 156290816 (149.05 GiB 160.04 GB) ^^^^^ Note there is GiB (gibibyte) which is 1024 MiB (mebibyte) and there is GB (gigabyte) which is 1000 MB (megabyte). See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibibyte Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to set up a amd64 mirror with anonftpsync?
Mitchell Laks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is amd64 present at ftp.us.debian.org. How can I tell? Did you try it out? Look at http://buildd.debian.org/stats/amd64.txt. Currently it says 94% of packages are up-to-date. This of course does not and will never contain Sarge for amd64. > > Do I have to mirror directly from csail.debian.mit.edu? How to do > that? You only have to if you want Sarge. Read http://amd64.debian.net/~joerg/mirror.html. > > How can I tell if I have already mirrored it from ftp.us.debian.org > :) (dumb sounding question i know). Check for existence of dists/testing/main/binary-amd64/ and *_amd64.deb files. Or as a trivial way try to apt-get from your mirror. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How can I check that my RAID/LVM drives are really working?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I have Reiser on LVM2 on RAID. > At least, that's what I tried to set up. > How can I check that that's what I'm really getting? > > Presumably running mount will tell me whether it's really reiser. > But what can I do to enquire what the logical volumes are made of? > And whether I' erally getting a RAID instead of just reading and writing > to one of the physical partitions the RAID-1 is supposed to be made of. vgdisplay will tell you what PVs your LVM is using. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SATA disk smart or not?
Justin Guerin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > According to a comment from "sensovision from WKey" on page > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6983, > "Unfortunately right now official libata library in kernel doesn't support > ATA-passthrough calls and the only way to check SMART status right now is > to use patches like this: > http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/jgarzik/libata/ I believe this functionality has been added in kernel 2.6.15 (or was it 2.6.16?) Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to find software?
Katipo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Steve Lamb wrote: >>Am I the only one who's reading this exchange and wondering what people >> are thinking? >> > No. > As the OP has contacted the list, it's fairly safe to assume that he > has net access? What tells you that the OP contacted the list from the same machine he wants to install LaTeX on? > What's wrong with a net install with aptitude or the ilk. Not everyone is up to wait and/or pay to see large packages like tetex trickling through a phone line. Especially if he has the CDs already. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with cdrecord under kernel 2.6.15-8
"Todd A. Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Because ide-scsi is missing, and now cdrecord doesn't work. If you know > something I don't about why cdrecord stopped working due to the kernel > change, please share. Better yet, if you know how to fix the problem, > please share. I have to admit I don't know much about USB hardware. But, is ide-scsi needed for that? I would be surprised. Sorry, I can't help. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with cdrecord under kernel 2.6.15-8
"Todd A. Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Mar 11, 2006 at 02:20:55PM -0500, Matthias Julius wrote: > >> Forget about ide-scsi! cdrecord doesn't need it anymore. It can use >> ATA drives directly. > > But it's not an ATA drive, it's a USB drive. Both the DVD-RW and CD-RW > even point to the same device: OK, that's a different story. Why are you complaining about missing ide-scsi then? Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with cdrecord under kernel 2.6.15-8
"Todd A. Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The kernel doesn't seem to include modules for ide-scsi anymore, and I > have to manually load sg.o with "sudo modprobe sg" before cdrecord will > even find the device. What's weird, though, is that burning DVDs on the > same device still works. > > What gives? Forget about ide-scsi! cdrecord doesn't need it anymore. It can use ATA drives directly. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: phpGroupWare and MySQL
Bernard Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I tried to reconfigure phpgroupware and YET to give a password to the > root MySQL user but I got the same result so I created the DB by hand > and without password. I guess there is a problem with this part of the > configuration. Did you assign a password to root? Did you try it without? > > But I got another problem... > > According to the messages received while creating the DB it should be > ok. Now, I am back to the phpgroupware setup and yet it tells me > "Your Database is not working! > Make sure that your database is created and the account permissions are > set." If you setup the database manually you also have to setup a user with the right permissions for phpGroupWare. But, the Debian configuration should work. You must be doing something wrong. Matthias PS: You don't need to copy myself on your emails. I am subscribed to the list and I don't need them twice. On the Debian lists senders of mails should only get a direct copy if they explicitely request that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Partitioning RAID5 disks into 2 Filesystems
Andrew Cady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > RAID devices typically are named /dev/md0 for the first, and so on; or > /dev/md/0 for the devfs naming scheme. (md stands for multi-disk; the > software RAID driver in linux is called "md"). In any case the first > raid device (md0) has major number 9 and minor 0. I thought he has a hardware RAID controller. This would then present the whole RAID device as SCSI drive e.g. /dev/sdb. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Partitioning RAID5 disks into 2 Filesystems
"Pabla,Balbir [Ontario]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I tried : > fdisk -s 102000 /dev/sdb... it says cannot open 102000 ... > What is wrong with my syntax? You don't have a partition called 102000. >From man fdisk , | -s partition | The size of the partition (in blocks) is printed on the | standard output. ` This is not what you want. This prints the size of the partition on screen. Try 'fdisk /dev/sdb' > > May I know exact sysntax of commands to partition and create 2 > filesystems on my 7 RAID disks. Type 'm' at the fdisk prompt. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: phpGroupWare and MySQL
Bernard Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > But is this root user the MySQL db admin name defined at the > installation of phpGroupWare? If yes then something went wrong at the > installation because I gave a password to this user. Try to run 'dpkg-reconifigure phpgroupware'. That should ask you for database admin login information. And it will ask you what you want for the phpGroupWare database user name and password. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: phpGroupWare and MySQL
Bernard Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I tried to create the DB either with the script of manually. When trying > the manual method it keeps telling the following: > > # mysql -u root -p > Enter password: > "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using > password: YES)" Did you setup a password for [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe the default MySQL installation does not do that. If not, try to login as root without the '-p' option. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Compilation problems with libxalan
Mladen Adamovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > You probably have AnyMeal related problem so the better idea is to use > anymeal mailing list or forums. > Most probably you are using different version of Xalan-C then the > AnyMeal's authors. I was guessing something like that. The thing that confuses me is that XalanMessageLoader.hpp - whish is part of Xalan-C - includes LocalMsgIndex.hpp which is not there. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Generate thumbnails
Steve Block <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Internally consistent. If you look at the 6.x documentation they treat > the whole thing as a stream operation, i.e. load an image, do this, do > that, maybe load a second image and so something with that, composite > the two images, load a third, resize it, change some colors, add a > border, and then write output. If you look over the documentation it > starts making a lot of sense. Indeed, it does make sense. You could only wish the old syntax was better supported. Like this a lot of scripts and other software that use it as backend brake. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Compilation problems with libxalan
Hi, I am trying to build AnyMeal (http://anymeal.sourceforge.net). When running make I get following error: , | In file included from /usr/include/xalanc/XPath/XPathProcessorImpl.hpp:39, | from xmlDocument.cpp:27: | ../xalanc/PlatformSupport/XalanMessageLoader.hpp:29:29: error: LocalMsgIndex.hpp: No such file or directory ` Asking Google about LocalMsgIndex.hpp did not yield any usefull answers. Now I am wondering whether this is a bug in my setup (on 2 machines), AnyMeal, Debian, Xalan-C ... Any clues? Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Generate thumbnails
Steve Block <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The options are most definitely NOT supposed to come before the input > file. This changed in version 6.x to make the ImageMagick syntax more > consistent. Consistent with what? Not many tools are expecting non-option arguments before options (I can't think of one). How about changing cp, mv etc.? It's a bad decision to change behavior like that. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
