Re: openssh: sshd’s ForceCommand and ssh’s "–N Do not execute a remote command"

[Oleg Verych]

Camaleón, thanks.

I’ve forwarded all here:

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.network.openssh.devel/18064

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openssh: sshd’s ForceCommand and ssh’s "–N Do not execute a remote command"

[Oleg Verych]

Hallo.

If sshd is configured to have a ForceCommand, no `ssh –N` must skip
this server’s setup, isn’t it?

But it isn’t so.
Admin may think that the command is forced by a server, but user can
skip that. In such case only port forwarding is available, but anyway
the whole thing is meaningless, IMHO.

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Re: Newbie help with simple C program, USB device under Debian

[Oleg Verych]

27-09-2007, Nick Lidakis:
> Oleg Verych wrote:
>> 27-09-2007, Nick Lidakis:
>>   
>>> Sending this again as it did not seem to get to the list when I first 
>>> sent it this morning.
>>> 
>>
>> Oh, man, are you serious?
>>
>> First. No one interested in you prev. email sending failures, right.
>> Because this is a noise, not information.
>>   
> No one /is /interested in your /previous /email sending failures, right.
>
> I just thought I would fix that for you since you seem to be a graduate 
> of the Sum Dum Dik school of English.

I didn't run `ispell`, maybe for purpose. I didn't reread e-mail twice,
as i usually do. Think about such behavior as about mirror.

Thanks for small article about articles. But i didn't care much up till
now, and i won't after, sorry.

As for "flower" think of it, as synonym to "develop".

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Re: Newbie help with simple C program, USB device under Debian

[Oleg Verych]

27-09-2007, Nick Lidakis:
> Sending this again as it did not seem to get to the list when I first 
> sent it this morning.

Oh, man, are you serious?

First. No one interested in you prev. email sending failures, right.
Because this is a noise, not information.

> I am need of some help with a USB device under Debian; trying last night
> multiple times to no avail.

Second. Debian is a software distribution. What system are using is
possible to see, after `uname -a`:

#v+
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ uname -a
Linux flower 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Fri May 4 00:37:33 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$
#v-

See Linux? That means, that a guy, talking to your hardware is Linux, not
Hurd or FreeBSD, alright.

> I have a Dallas Semiconductor Thermochron temperature data logger that I
> am trying to set. The data logger (DS1921G-F5) is attached to a USB
> bridge (DS1921G-F5). I downloaded their linux utilities which consist of
> two simple C programs: One to set a "mission"  and the other to download
> the datat logged:
>
> thermo21.c  thermo21.h  thermodl.c  thermoms.c
>
> The readme states:

Stop. If this info is available on-line, please give an URL. If this is
closed NDA stuff, and you are newbie driver programmer, then you'd better
keep it away. :)

> /These utilities are used to download (thermodl) and
> mission (thermoms) a DS1921G Thermochron iButton.  The
> DS1921Z/DS1921H are not supported with this application.
>
> THERMODL:
>
> usage: thermodl 1wire_net_name  
>   - Thermochron download on the 1-Wire Net port
>   - 1-wire_net_port required port name
> example: "COM1" (Win32 DS2480B),"/dev/cua0"
> (Linux DS2480B),"1" (Win32 TMEX)

Seem, like very old doc. I've just prepared a snip from current doc,
which, you can find in the upload directory of my server:

#v+
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ grep -m7 -B7 -A12 cua 
serial-devices.txt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ chmod o+r serial-devices.txt
#v-

>   -  optional output filename
>   -  optional Fahrenheit mode (default Celsius)
>   - version 1.03
>
> Required on the command line is the 1-Wire port name:
>
> example:  "COM1"(Win32 DS2480B)
>   "/dev/cua0"   (Linux DS2480B)

OK. The main idea, that they are using standard serial port (rs232)
interface for communication here.

>   "1"   (Win32 TMEX)
>   "\\.\DS2490-1"(Win32 USB DS2490)
>   "{1,5}"   (Win32 DS2480B multi build)
>   "{1,6}"   (Win32 USB DS2490 multi build)
>   "{1,2}"   (Win32 DS1410E multi build)

And unknown Windows magic here.

> /When the device is plugged in dmesg shows:
>
> usb 1-10: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 6
> PM: Adding info for usb:1-10
> PM: Adding info for No Bus:usbdev1.6_ep00
> usb 1-10: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
> PM: Adding info for usb:1-10:1.0
> PM: Adding info for No Bus:usbdev1.6_ep81
> PM: Adding info for No Bus:usbdev1.6_ep02
> PM: Adding info for No Bus:usbdev1.6_ep83

Is that all? His *is* the actual information. But there's no hint, that
you've cut it too late or too early. So, more output is needed.

> In /dev I have:
>
> usbdev1.1_ep81
> usbdev1.6_ep83
> usbdev1.6_ep02

One usb device with two endpoints(dmesg shows three). One with one (i
guess). Doc might say about what to use and how to use (but not that
you've quoted here). Try to look at sources. They provide sources for
Linux most of the time. Because Linux have stable API nonsense feature.
And those dude on Linux like to read sources.

> Trying something like: /sh thermodl /dev/usbdev1.1_ep81 t.txt  /results
> in an error.

Are you fan of the slash (i.e. `/')? Slash in UNIX-like OSes is
directory separator. It is *not* an option separator, like in the DOS.

`/sh' means loading for execution file `/sh', i.e. root directory, file
`sh'. But somehow shell got loaded and took the input, let's see.

> /thermodl.c: line 1:

Hgm. C file. Sources of the C language file.
This must be almost all you need!

> //--: No
> such file or directory
> thermodl.c: line 2: syntax error near unexpected token `('
> thermodl.c: line 2: `// Copyright (C) 2000 Dallas Semiconductor
> Corporation, All Rights 'eserved.

The shell does not like text of the sources of the C langage from that
file. :-\

> /Any hints on how to call the device?

``The data logger (DS1921G-F5)''?

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More intelligent `pdftotext`? (Re: more of that sed "editing")

[Oleg Verych]

> Main usage was to read defprogramming.pdf by Ulrich Drepper in my hackish
> non-X environment. But such docs, with silly 2 columns text, are coming out
> very broken. But some formatting for C in sed, is rather useful.

Just happened to look at "const volatile" semantics in C99 standard. It's
more interesting, than plain `fmt` :)

Is it really so hard to have text-only pdfs in the same formatting as in
pdf? pdftotext outputs a table there, constructed by whitespace
indentation, all in one paragraph.

#v+
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ grep 'const vola' < C_STANDARD-ISOIEC9899-1999.txt | sh 
sed-craziness
EXAMPLE The common type that results when the second and third operands are
pointers is determined in two independent stages. The appropriate qualifiers,
for example, do not depend on whether the two pointers have compatible types.
Given the declarations const void *c_vp;
 void *vp;
 const int *c_ip;
 volatile int *v_ip;
 int *ip;
 const char *c_cp;
 the third column in the following table is the common type that is the 
result
of a conditional expression in which the first two columns are the second and
third operands (in either order): c_vp v_ip c_ip vp ip vp c_ip 0 v_ip c_cp c_ip
ip const void * volatile int * const volatile int * const void * const int *
void *
EXAMPLE 1 An object declared extern const volatile int real_time_clock;
 may be modifiable by hardware, but cannot be assigned to, incremented, 
or
decremented.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$
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For those, who saw (or will see) script. It is optimized for looong
paragraphs in one line, with partial output "P", to have working string
as small as possible (it is part of justification thing). On the start,
line is checked to be long, before actual processing. But i think, it's
possible to understand all that after some playing :)
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more of that sed "editing" (Re: ASCII Formatter Whose Name I've Forgotten)

[Oleg Verych]

26-09-2007, Celejar:
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:47:09 -0500
> Martin McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>  I remember reading about a UNIX utility whose name
>> escapes me. You feed it ASCII text and it breaks lines as near
>> to a desired length as possible without splitting words. Anyone
>> remember the name of this utility?
>> 
>>  Thanks.
>
> fmt -w nnn?

Yesterday, when i was (quickly) reviewing (very long) backlog of this
ML, there was similar question, but person started subject with `sed`.

Eventually the sed solution to the problem was not noticed, and this
silly `fmt` was accepted.

Just in case somebody is interested in sed scripting, i'd like to share
with little one, which i used to format `pdftotext` output. I didn't come
up with good distribution algo for justification, though.



Main usage was to read defprogramming.pdf by Ulrich Drepper in my hackish
non-X environment. But such docs, with silly 2 columns text, are coming out
very broken. But some formatting for C in sed, is rather useful.

Ah, "silly fmt?", you might say. Yes. It doesn't break line-long
words. I do this like that:
"
barfoobarbarfoobarbarfoobarbarfoobar\
barfoobarbarfoobar"

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select() in sh (POSIX is crap, but something to have anyway :)

[Oleg Verych]

07-08-2007, Vincent Lefevre:
[]
> Not every system has bash. If this is for compatibility, you can learn
> POSIX sh, but e.g. Solaris /bin/sh is not a POSIX sh.

And Windows will have `sh` soon, called "Microsoft Suxe Shell" (C) Novell.

> For this reason and because POSIX sh is limited (you can't execute a
> command and have a timeout on it), I now write all my portable scripts
> in Perl since it is on every system I've met.

Yes. Not having select()-like functionality in the most basic tool, like
shell is a very bad mis-design of POSIX and prior art of BSD. As bad as
whole `make` crap, which is accepted non standard feature of

`test ARG1 -nt ARG2`

So, do you need that useless `sh` wrapper called `make` after that? 

Timeouts can be implemented also. Not portably (maybe), but i don't care
about hype of POSIX(R)ability. Here's thread to read (features debian
kernel team member):



==
Perl. Perl is XISOP. Whatever, i don't care.
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Re: adduser

[Oleg Verych]

01-08-2007, Bob Proulx:
> Oleg Verych wrote:
>> Ids may change and i will end up with /var/spool/exim4 owned by
>> different user in case /etc/passwd is new.
>
> I don't think that should be a concern because if the ownership of
> /var/spool/exim4 needs to be non-root then it should be set in the
> postinst script.  That would be true upon the first installation too,
> right?

If my local installation/configuratin chain is like:

1. install all need packages
2. do local changes

then if i do change `/var/' to my old (backup) one on separate
partition, `/etc/passwd' may have wrong owner. But this can be fixed,
if i will re-add appropriate user myself. I would like to supply my
installation options to packages i need, but like you've said, more
flexible and easy installation process will be a big step forward.

Anyway to pull and then update adduser, that is suppose to be run only
once, is a very bad thing. In case of removal, twice. But hey, there is
lightweight userdel from passwd, adduser is wrapping!

I've published my aggressive janitor BTW, in case somebody is interested.
DDs are certainly not.

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adduser

[Oleg Verych]

* Bob Proulx
>
> Oleg Verych wrote:
>> I'm just a user, but developers seem to have some problems in the
>> past: #208848.
>
> But Bug#208848 says that cron needed a dependency upon adduser, which
> it now has because of that bug.  Reading that bug this was
> specifically for build daemons with a minimum system without adduser
> otherwise installed.  I don't see anything about adduser misbehaving.
> That bug in particular was filed against cron not adduser.

* Bob Proulx
>
>> As i said, i will try to do a simple solution. If i will fail, so be it.
>
> The original poster Rick Spillane seemed to be having trouble with
> /etc/group becoming corrupted.  Are you having similar problems?
>
> What are you trying to do?
>

Getting rid of adduser. Misbehaving is one thing, bloated perl code is
another (see below).

>> One thing i can't see so far, why exim4 allocates dynamic UID. E.g. in
>> situation, when i will have same "/etc/", "/var/spool/exim4" but
>> different (re)installation sequence, UID may change, adding unneeded
>> troubles.
>
> What trouble does it cause you when an installation on different
> systems in a different order or on the same system after purging and
> reinstalling system packages in a different order uses different
> system ids?

Ids may change and i will end up with /var/spool/exim4 owned by
different user in case /etc/passwd is new.

> There are a few globally reserved ids.  But all of those must be
> between 2 and 99 because traditionally other ids started at uid 100.
> Additionally room must be left for the local admin to create system
> ids.  All globally allocated ids for all of Debian must fit between
> 2-99 and are coordinated through the base-passwd maintainer.

If i have /etc/passwd set up, i don't want to install adduser. If there
will be setup option or prompt: "Do you want to add Debian-exim4 (with
random UID)?" I want to say no. I don't want global ID. I want not
random one.

> Most systems, not just Debian, use dynamically assigned ids at package
> installation time.  This is a very common practice.  It is sometimes
> inconvenient but rarely causes serious enough problems to cause a move
> to globally allocated ids.
>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:$ du -hs adduser deluser 
>> ../share/perl5/Debian/AdduserCommon.pm
>> 32K adduser
>> 16K deluser
>> 8.0K../share/perl5/Debian/AdduserCommon.pm
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:$
>> 
>> 56K just for random UID/GID or similar functionality is too much (IMHO,
>> of course). Also it pulls "passwd" anyway.
>
> Hmm...  We have completely different ideas of scale.  That seems
> pretty small to me.  I ran perl-source-stats (from perl monks) on
> those perl scripts and this is what it turned up.
>
>   /usr/sbin/adduser
>   Found 745 LOC
>   Found 142 comment lines
>
>   /usr/sbin/deluser
>   Found 348 LOC
>   Found 63 comment lines
>
>   /usr/share/perl5/Debian/AdduserCommon.pm
>   Found 166 LOC
>   Found 31 comment lines

I have not yet published aggressive cleaner of disk space, and it reports
48K of pure perl, i.e. no comments and redundant whitespace. And i care
about every additional 4097 bytes, actually (for various reasons).

> That is only 1053 lines of perl code in total across all three of
> those files.  I consider that quite reasonable.  I am against the
> practice of "perl golf" where the smallest number of strokes wins.
> I much prefer verbose over terse if it improves readability.
>

For such functionality it's too much. So we just disagree :)



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Re: adduser kills sound pt. 3

[Oleg Verych]

* Bob Proulx (Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:48:18 -0600)
>
> Oleg Verych wrote:
[--]
>> Funny, i've discovered, how bloated adduser is yesterday, while
>> developing my aggressive distro-cleaner. Now i'm thinking about
>> writing patches at least for exim4 and cron to have support for
>> ordinary useradd from passwd package.
>
> It is Policy for packages to use adduser and addgroup.  Patches to
> avoid using it would be a policy bug by definition and should be
> rejected.
>
>   http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2.2

I didn't know that. Thanks for the pointer.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:$ id -u
19810702
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:$

Hm, it works for me, while it's more than (u16)(-1) stated in policy. 
I'm just a user, but developers seem to have some problems in the
past: #208848.

One thing i can't see so far, why exim4 allocates dynamic UID. E.g. in
situation, when i will have same "/etc/", "/var/spool/exim4" but
different (re)installation sequence, UID may change, adding unneeded
troubles.

> Bloated?  What do you mean?  If I don't include documentation because
> most people consider documentation to always be a good thing then I
> only see these files.  How is adduser bloated?
>
>   /etc/deluser.conf
>   /usr/sbin/addgroup
>   /usr/sbin/adduser
>   /usr/sbin/delgroup
>   /usr/sbin/deluser
>   /usr/share/adduser/adduser.conf
>   /usr/share/lintian/overrides/adduser
>   /usr/share/perl5/Debian/AdduserCommon.pm

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:$ du -hs adduser deluser 
../share/perl5/Debian/AdduserCommon.pm
32K adduser
16K deluser
8.0K../share/perl5/Debian/AdduserCommon.pm
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:$

56K just for random UID/GID or similar functionality is too much (IMHO,
of course). Also it pulls "passwd" anyway.

> If there is a problem with adduser then it should be reported so that
> it can be addressed.  The BTS does not show anything too scary.  It is
> in heavy use by thousands of users.  I think that specific examples of
> problems need to be shown before we can start thinking that there is a
> problem with adduser.  (Although I am sure that the code could be
> improved.  That is almost always true of any project.)

So, if exim4 expressly wants dynamic ID, i will be on my own.
As for sources in perl, i just can't understand why it get so big for
some little benefit.

#v+
our $configfile = undef;
our $found_group_opt = undef;
our $found_sys_opt = undef;
our $ingroup_name = undef;
our $new_firstuid = undef;
our $new_gecos = undef;
our $new_gid = undef;
our $new_lastuid = undef;
our $new_uid = undef;
our $no_create_home = undef;
our $special_home = undef;
our $special_shell = undef;
our $add_extra_groups = 0;

# Global variables we need later
my $existing_user = undef;
my $existing_group = undef;
my $new_name = undef;
my $make_group_also = 0;
my $home_dir = undef;
my $undohome = undef;
my $undouser = undef;
my $undogroup = undef;
my $shell = undef;
my $first_uid = undef;
my $last_uid = undef;
my $dir_mode = undef;
my $perm = undef;
#v-

As i said, i will try to do a simple solution. If i will fail, so be it.



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How Debian BTS and its tools can be improved (user poll).

[Oleg Verych]

What, on your opinion, can be done better in Debian BTS, reportbug?

Why do you think it's better than current approach (if exists)?

What can you do to help with that?


Some related contex:
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#420361


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Re: Getting wake-on-lan to work in Etch

[Oleg Verych]

* Raj Kiran Grandhi (2007-07-26):

>> > I am trying to get "wake on lan" to work in Etch. I have a motherboard
>> > with an onboard NIC which supports wake-on-lan. I have enabled
>> > wake-on-lan in the bios. When I poweroff the computer during POST, I am
>> > able to remotely wake it, but if I shut it down from Etch, power to the
>> > NIC is also being turned off and wake-on-lan does not work. I have
>> > edited '/etc/init.d/halt' and removed the '-i' option from the 'halt'
>> > command, but the NIC is still being powered down.
>>
>> Try to add this line in your /etc/network/interfaces :
>>   post-down ethtool -s eth0 wol g
>>
>> It tells your nic to prepare to be woken up, so perhaps it will not power 
>> off.
>>
>> Install ethtool if you don't have it.
>>
> ethtool did the trick! Thanks a lot. Only, I had to add that line as a
> script in the /etc/network/if-up.d directory.

It turned out to be 3d hit in google "linux wake on lan". While it's
gentoo wiki, hardware<->kernel thing is the same: there's nothing
interesting in bios?kernel?acpi?userspace dance.

Anyway beware of acpi reboot/poweroff problems and how they are awkward.




Also some drivers are not wol ready in 2.6.18:





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Re: adduser kills sound pt. 3

[Oleg Verych]

* Rick Spillane (26-07-2007)

> OK, I've figured it out. adduser modifies /etc/group apparently, and
> relatively significantly. I was able to fix all my problems by looking
> at Octavio's /etc/group, and adding the groups that looked like they
> were missing. In the future, I will *not* use adduser, and I would
> recommend that Debian have this application not be in the default path
> or some substitute that issues a warning. Regardless, I have placed
> /etc/ under source control using mercurial so that I can roll back
> files and compare differences after utilities go in and modify things.

Funny, i've discovered, how bloated adduser is yesterday, while developing
my aggressive distro-cleaner. Now i'm thinking about writing patches at
least for exim4 and cron to have support for ordinary useradd from passwd
package.



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Re: Terminal clock (script)

[Oleg Verych]

* Hugo Vanwoerkom (25-07-2007):
>
> I replaced vcstime years ago with my own version that displays more 
> information (minutes of battery left, free MB's, CPU temp, CPU %, VT#, 
> dow, date, time) and is a daemon, all of which are changeable with a 
> companion dialog piece, the 2 communicate over a port.

I think i've wrote first version of that script in mid-2002 :).

It's important to note, that it's a pure shell script with one only
dependency on color terminal emulator and stty, tty tools. That fancy
color and resizing i've added just to have less boring or broken output.

About writing daemons in shell. It's really upsetting, that key UNIX
tool -- shell have no such thing like direct select() functionality.
Nevertheless, writing event-driven things is possible using signals,
pipes, file IO -- basic OS things.



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Re: Debian newbie..Unable to start X

[Oleg Verych]

* Mr Geo (25-07-2007):
>
> Ok...So I've tried to run=20

Such kind of output (with obviously more information about your system,
gathered and proceeded by "reportbug" tool) is a possible bug, you just
can report to relevant package. Then experienced developers will help you
if they will find ways.

> apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nv xserver-xorg-input-synaptics \
> xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-input-mouse =
> xorg
>
> and it appear like this...
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree...Done
> xserver-xorg-video-nv is already the newest version.
> xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is already the newest version.
> xserver-xorg-input-kbd is already the newest version.
> xserver-xorg-input-evdev is already the newest version.
> xserver-xorg-input-mouse is already the newest version.
> xorg is already the newest version.
>
> And then I've tried to use
>
> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg then run /etc/init.d/gdm restart ...
> and I got the output
>
> (=3D=3D) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
> (EE) VGA(0): v_BIOS address 0x59580 out of range

Never seen this before. In case of proprietary drivers, new or buggy
BIOS/hardware you may be on your own...

> Backtrace:
> 0: /usr/bin/X(xf86SigHandler+0x94) [0x1008eb98]
> 1: [0x100374]
> 2: [0x8000]
> 3: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libvgahw.so(vgaHWGetIOBase+0x3c) [0xf7ffc70]
> 4: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vga_drv.so [0xf8a3ac4]
> 5: /usr/bin/X(InitOutput+0xb48) [0x10064ef8]
> 6: /usr/bin/X(main+0x290) [0x1000252d4]
> 7: /lib/tls/libc.so.6 [0xfc7e994]
> 8: /lib/tls/libc.so.6(_libc_start_main+0xb0) [0xfc7ead0]
>
> Fatal sever error:
> Caught signal 7. Server aborting


Please do not top post and do not include HTML copies of your message.
Thanks.

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Re: Debian newbie..Unable to start X

[Oleg Verych]

25-07-2007, Mr Geo:

> I've just started to use Linux.

Congratulations!

> So I try to install Debian 4.0 into Power= Book G4 with the minimal
> base system.

OK, lets assume you don't scare of any shell scripting and text console
tools first, otherwise it will be very hard to yourself and to help you.
You are talking about base system. What do yo mean? AFAIK debian
installer have options like "Desktop", "WEB server", etc. Of course
you can install just a basic set by e.g. debbootstrap, anyway that's
not telling what do you actually have now.

> After installation, I've tried to reboot the PC but it was unable to
> load= into GUI environment(startx). The error was like this:
>
> Fatal server error:
> Caught signal 11. Server aborting.

You were requested to show logs at least. But let me ask again what
set of packages you have ATM? I would suggest to check to install
"xorg" package. It will pull everything to make successful "startx"

I use this set t bring startx to my laptop (with ATI VGA):

apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-input-synaptics \
xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-input-mouse xorg

> My graphic card is Nvidia GeForce4 440
>
> Is there any problem with my configuration?

(Once again) You didn't show yours :-)

>
> Thanks,
> Geo
>
>   =20
> -
> Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! =
> TV.=20
> --0-340316861-1185324313=:49473
> Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> Hi,I've just started to use Linux. So I try to install Debian 4.0=
>  into PowerBook G4 with the minimal base system.After installation, I=
> 've tried to reboot the PC but it was unable to load into GUI environment=
> (startx). The error was like this:Fatal server error:Caught s=
> ignal 11. Server aborting.My graphic card is Nvidia GeForce4 440<=
> br>Is there any problem with my configuration?Thanks,=
> Geo 
>   Ready for the edge of your seat?=20
>http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=3D48220/*http://tv.yahoo.com/";>Chec=
> k out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV.=20

Do send HTML copies. Reconfigure your MUA, please. Thanks.

>
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>
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Re: Getting wake-on-lan to work in Etch

[Oleg Verych]

* 24-07-2007, Raj Kiran Grandhi

> I am trying to get "wake on lan" to work in Etch. I have a motherboard
> with an onboard NIC which supports wake-on-lan. I have enabled
> wake-on-lan in the bios. When I poweroff the computer during POST, I am
> able to remotely wake it, but if I shut it down from Etch, power to the
> NIC is also being turned off and wake-on-lan does not work. I have
> edited '/etc/init.d/halt' and removed the '-i' option from the 'halt'
> command, but the NIC is still being powered down.

>From the man page it's shutdown interfaces (in networking sense).

> If I boot into single user mode (init 1) and call poweroff from there,
> the NIC is kept alive after the computer is powered down. Another thing
> I have noticed is that when I issue the 'poweroff' from runlevel 2, the
> console displays the message "acpi_poweroff called" just before
> powerdown and the NIC is also powered off. This message does not appear
> when issuing poweroff from runlevel 1.

So, ACPI/BIOS whatever thinks that it knows better than somebody else.
OTHO, maybe it's another set of bugs in that brain damaged interface,

> How can I configure the system to keep the NIC alive after shutting down
> from runlevel 2?

Try to get rid of acpi: any acpi-related kernel modules
(/lib/linux/kernel/drivers/acpi/*) or try kernel parameters (e.g. acpi=off).



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Terminal clock (script)

[Oleg Verych]

In case somebody will find it useful, i want share it. A script that
shows updated time and some more info in terminal's status line. I've
found this fun, when i use my desktop system. It's just text mode
actually. I use X very rarely to read pdfs (that can't be pdftotext'ed)
or djview.

It's also useful in ssh session on my server, especially when some very
wired network problems appeared. I.e. connection after some inactivity
just hangs, while new are established and ping is working. Keeping ssh
session active with clock helped so far.

As for Debian. If anyone ever met `vcstime` (in "kbd" or
"console-tools"), may noticed how ugly it is and also doesn't work as
in Etch as in Sid (AFAIK). Thus, maybe such a replacement evaluated by
you, will a good addition to the bug report.

Thanks.

[0] ftp://flower.upol.cz/clock.sh/
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Re: Woody on 486 problem

[Oleg Verych]

> From: "Mirko Scurk"
> Newsgroups: gmane.linux.debian.user
> Subject: Woody on 486 problem
> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 02:01:56 +0100 (CET)

> Hi!

Hallo, Mirko.

> I'm trying to install woody on Digital Venturis 466 486DX66, 540MB HDD,
> 20MB RAM, CD-ROM, S3 Turbo VGA 1MB and EtherWorks III ISA network adapter.

Pretty old metal, isn't it (:?

> The first stage of install went fine but after installing lilo and
> rebooting I never got prompt. There are many errors:

I think you haven't much RAM. Did you created swap, at least 100M to
start with?

> Read-only file system
> nothing in /proc - not mounted?
> lot of
> /lb/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4 .. cannot create  Read-only file system
> /lb/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4 .. init_module: No such device

Maybe too much modules selected in default initrd, try to reduce this.

> and finally
>
> INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
>
> When I log to second virtual terminal I get message:
> mesg: /dev/tty2: Read-only file system
>
> Any sugestions, please?

Init scripts ran out of memory. Try this HDD with modern machine, i.e.
128M RAM and kernel+initrd(optional) that will boot on it. Or install
woody on modern machive, then try to boot old one. You may just use
base system install 90M or so, then this can be copied to old HDD +
/etc/fstab fixes + "root=/dev/hdxN" kernel option.




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[ot] Re: XML editor wanted!

[Oleg Verych]

On 2007-02-02, hendrik wrote:
[]
> As a developer, I also inderstand that XML is a crazily complicated 
> specification, probably much more complicated than needed to do its job.

Full ACK!

BTW, emacs' (one of) xml mode editing (named nxml, i believe), was s
slwly on my 2G AMD64 laptop, so i stoped *any* pro-xml job and
became a Man ;)

> -- hendrik
>



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[: ot ;] (was Re: Patch for Daylight Savings Time (DST))

[Oleg Verych]

30-01-2007, Oleg Verych <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> пишет:
> 30-01-2007, Ron Johnson:
>>
>> On 01/30/07 13:58, William Chipman wrote:
>>> Has there been a patch to adjust the start / end date changes for daylight
>>> savings time in the US?
>>
>> Which branch are you running?
>
> I'm sure, but that seem to be an e-mail with some kind of virus.
>
> 

;D

Reply-To header, mailer is Outlook, something not very clear in the
body of the message, attach -- IMHO signs of the spam with virus ;D




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Re: Patch for Daylight Savings Time (DST)

[Oleg Verych]

30-01-2007, Ron Johnson:
>
> On 01/30/07 13:58, William Chipman wrote:
>> Has there been a patch to adjust the start / end date changes for daylight
>> savings time in the US?
>
> Which branch are you running?

I'm sure, but that seem to be an e-mail with some kind of virus.




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Re: play back mpeg frame by frame

[Oleg Verych]

29-01-2007, michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> пишет:
> Folks,
> I wish to be able to move from frame to frame in an MPEG (or similar if
> that's easier). However, for my file
> /home/michael/madrid_SO4_layer5.mpeg: MPEG sequence, v1,
> progressive Y'CbCr 4:2:0 video, 25 fps
> neither 'totem' nor 'wxvlc' seem to support it for such files. 
>
> Any suggestions?

mplayer with png output?




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Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

[Oleg Verych]

27-01-2007, Ron Johnson:
>
> On 01/27/07 00:57, Oleg Verych wrote:
>> 26-01-2007, Piotr Dziubinski пишет:
>> []
>> 
>> Hi, Pete.
>> 
>>> I'm very irritated and disappointed with your policy! Why?
>>>
>>> I've used various Linux distributions for 8 years. I've been using Debian
>>> for the last 6 months, but today I changed my mind!
>> 
>> Poor man ;) Seriously, i've had enough from mozilla/firefox long
>> ago: screen, lynx, slrn, mutt are my friends.
>> 
>> See? No hands... ups X Window, it's magic!
>
> So, what's it like in 1994?  :)

Not at all! Unless this is irony, i can talk about what i've got finally.
In short: keyboard has almoust all keys in function(not 3 or 5 ;), there are may
kinds of terminal emulators: getty/linux, xterm and such, offtopic
system(putty).

So, it's very flexible, reliable, client independent. Maximum, what i
needed from X were: blackbox(with bbkeys) and 4-5 desktops, like
gettys in text mode. Everything else was the same, except, maybe, xpdf.




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Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

[Oleg Verych]

26-01-2007, Piotr Dziubinski пишет:
[]

Hi, Pete.

> I'm very irritated and disappointed with your policy! Why?
>
> I've used various Linux distributions for 8 years. I've been using Debian
> for the last 6 months, but today I changed my mind!

Poor man ;) Seriously, i've had enough from mozilla/firefox long
ago: screen, lynx, slrn, mutt are my friends.

See? No hands... ups X Window, it's magic!

> Ex-Debian user...
> ... back to the Gentoo

Farewell.

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> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Content-Disposition: inline
>
> I'm very irritated and disappointed with your policy! 
> Why?I've used various Linux distributions for 8 years. I've 
> been using Debian for the last 6 months, but today I changed my 
> mind!After updating Firefox in Debian I realized that Firefox is no 
> longer present in my operating system!
>Instead of it, I have this trashy and shity Iceweasle.F.u...k, 
>#%&[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5^%^*(@ %$&$%&^$Oki, I can install my 
>favorite Firefox from other packages, but do you realize, that I would like to 
>be asked if I want to use this f..u...k...ng %^*( *&##$$ ^&^%& 
>Iceweasle instead of Firefox?
>Good luck with using losers... ups I mean: losing users! 
>:PEx-Debian user.. back to the Gentoo
>
> --=_Part_37477_14195182.116985293--

Thanks for nice copy of sh1t.

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Re: Unable to use a new USB drive.

[Oleg Verych]

Hallo.

25-01-2007, hendrik:
> This is on my Debian etch AMD-64 system.  Just to be precise,
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uname -a
> Linux april 2.6.17-2-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 17:49:33 CEST 2006 x86_64 
> GNU/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

return -EOLDKERNEL;

Please, try 2.6.18 from testing.




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Re: ntp and hwclock

[Oleg Verych]

Followup-To: 

On 2007-01-23, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:53:22 -0800
> Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 05:38:30PM +, Oleg Verych wrote:
>> > 
>> > I have set up clock in my Ericsson mobile phone more than 3 years
>> > ago. If drift exists, it is less that one second, after all.

sorry here -- less than one minute. 3+ years passed, i've never adjusted
munites, as i still see f.e. 11:04 on the phone, where news on TV or
radio are telling time.

>> 
>> I was under the impression that mobile phone's sync their clocks over
>> the cellular network, but I may be wrong on that. 
>
> AFAIK GSM has this option, if the provider supports it and you activate
> it on your phone.

Trick is, that i've set up phone's time to have +4 minutes of UTC. So, i
live in near future, that's the way i do ;) And my model (old, best 2001)
have that UNIX way of setting up of clock: main setup, timezone setup,
daylight setup. Last one, due to political influence, is set up accoding
to current state of law of particular country (apt-get install tzdata ;).

On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 04:23:39PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, Oleg Verych wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 03:12:45PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > > On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, Ken Heard wrote:
> > > > >Linux kernel updates CMOS (hardware clock) time every 11 minutes.
> > > 
> > > Only when in ntp sync mode, AFAIK.  Maybe the new RTC class lets one 
> > > change
> > > this easily, but then the "CMOS RTC" port to the new RTC class ain't in
> > > Linux mainline yet.
> > 
> > I think this is default, and it is not depend on new RTC subsystem,
> > Try to not to run /etc/init.d/hwclock*.sh on startup, and you will see,
> > that in-kernel clock is set up.
> 
> Initialize system time from RTC at bootup != sync RTC every 11 minutes.

,-*- linux-source/Documentation/rtc.txt
|Also, if the kernel time is synchronized with an external source, the
|kernel will write the time back to the CMOS clock every 11 minutes. In
|the process of doing this, the kernel briefly turns off RTC periodic
|interrupts, so be aware of this if you are doing serious work. If you
|don't synchronize the kernel time with an external source (via ntp or
|whatever) then the kernel will keep its hands off the RTC, allowing you
|exclusive access to the device for your applications.
`-*-
A phrase "via ntp or whatever" + x86-64's bootup setup led me to
think, that this applies as "if the kernel time is synchronized with
an external source". Simple test showed me, that this isn't true.

Anyway, in-kernel time was made as more precise one comparing to any RTC,
CMOS. Two test points on-boot and on-shutdown is enough for PC, instead
that i've thought.

The CMOS update after 11 minutes in case of network synchronization, is
needed just to not to loose previous more or less valuable time-value.
Maybe now i've started to understand, why that was made and is wanted
to be moveed to userspace: to let userspace choose method of gaining
and storing precision.

> > > Plus low stability on the kernel clock sources in the presence of cpu freq
> > > changes, sleep to ram or to disk, spread-spectrum clock modulation, and 
> > > general bogon activity.
> > 
> > kernel + hardware bugs.
> 
> kernel design + hardware design + bugs in both.

Intel case with ACPI, EFI (standards), buggy timers, counters (as with AMD
chips) led me to think, that in some cases kernel developers have
limited design decision. Vendors with BIOSes, tested to boot Offtopic
System is another major issue, Intel finally trying to deal with:
<http://www.linuxfirmwarekit.org/>




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Re: ntp and hwclock

[Oleg Verych]

On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 03:12:45PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, Ken Heard wrote:
> > >Linux kernel updates CMOS (hardware clock) time every 11 minutes.
> 
> Only when in ntp sync mode, AFAIK.  Maybe the new RTC class lets one change
> this easily, but then the "CMOS RTC" port to the new RTC class ain't in
> Linux mainline yet.

I think this is default, and it is not depend on new RTC subsystem,
introduced in 2.6.16. There are plans to move all clock sync logic to
userspace, but that are only plans.

Try to not to run /etc/init.d/hwclock*.sh on startup, and you will see,
that in-kernel clock is set up.

> > >In-kernel clock, that uses various CPU/Chipset hardware and is stable
> > >enough. Its precision is as good as CPU frequency high (mostly). Any big
> > >drift may be caused by bugs in the kernel, low precision of CMOS while
> > >computer is powered off.
> 
> Plus low stability on the kernel clock sources in the presence of cpu freq
> changes, sleep to ram or to disk, spread-spectrum clock modulation, and 
> general bogon activity.

kernel + hardware bugs.

> No.  On a standard consumer peecee(snort!), you will really need ntpdate to
> be sure the clock is not set to anything dumb during system bootstrap, and
> if you really need clock stability for real, a proper ntp setup (which is a
> lot more than just ntpd running!) is also a requirement.

I think, without bugs this is not needed, unless you need very big
precision.

I have set up clock in my Ericsson mobile phone more than 3 years ago. If
drift exists, it is less that one second, after all.




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Re: ntp and hwclock

[Oleg Verych]

On 2007-01-20, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> I'm running Etch amd64 ntp on my home system over dialup ppp.  
>
> I stopped using chrony because I was having some problems and it
> couldn't talk to my rtc anyway.
>
> Our power can be unreliable and I don't have a UPS.  Since ntp doesn't
> adjust the hwclock, right now the only time it gets updated is at
> shutdown.  
>
> What would be the disadvantage of having a cron.hourly script run
> /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh stop ?

This script is unrelated to ntp (or any other time-sync service).

Linux kernel updates CMOS (hardware clock) time every 11 minutes.
In-kernel clock, that uses various CPU/Chipset hardware and is stable
enough. Its precision is as good as CPU frequency high (mostly). Any big
drift may be caused by bugs in the kernel, low precision of CMOS while
computer is powered off.

For a vary good precision of local time, time-syncing services are
used. But in fact, to have vary precise time, one must run computer
for a very long time with very good Internet connection to many time
servers.

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Licensing (GFDL)

[Oleg Verych]

Hallo.

I'm _ordinary_ user of *Free* operating system, full name of which is
`x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-debian'.

I hope you know, what Debian is. Just in case:


What's DFSG? It's a way to apply real-life rules. It's much more that
just to have a license in src directory and copyright note in every source
file. Meet users of your software, it's Stallman's "write down your modified
version of recipe and share it with your friends".


What's result? Result is the most widely supported hardware architectures
ever, the biggest repository of *maintained* packages. It just works: on
servers and desktops (Debian), live (Knoppix and clones), it's host of
new generation of distributions (Ubuntu and clones). Fair enough!

Thus, you see, how Debian Free Software Guidelines led GNU+Linux to its
users. Commercial distribution creators are far behind. Yes, some of them
are playing significant role in software development, but i'm saying
about quality of distribution here. That is next step, they realized.
New brands: fedora, open*, free*, appeared. Non of which may be
compared to the Free GNU+Linux Operating System Debian.

Even Gentoo distribution turned to be just in one debian's packet called
apt-build. Close your windows and you will see real Debian !

Debian+HURD, Debian+kfreebsd. Yes, and it works.

Hell, what i'm talking about?!!!

,--*- shell -*-
|[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ nc fsfe.org 22
|SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4
|
|[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
`--
(gnu.org, fsf.org currently down to check them)

So, why i'm here? I'm asking for help, Force to meet Freedom. Developers
of my OS fail to meet freedoms. They were proposing changes to GFDL v1.2,
that could led documentation of some programs to be Free, DFSG Free.
See my footer of nonsense FSF brought to proved Free Software Project.
Less that one screen page of whole section 4 here

will give you an idea what small changes are bringing down all FSF and
GNU Project on this stage.

o Forcing one GNU+Linux Operating System to be unable to develope, will
  led to unusable GNU Project.

o Forcing people not to have DFSG Free documentation will bring more
  problems to RMS and his propaganda and brainwashing.

This cost of Freedom is too high. Freedom to be free even from yourself
is very big deal.

Without new users, who can freely (debian/main) get and read manuals
(currently!) of most comprehensive development tools, Debian will R.I.P.
I can't find more words for that, what will happen.

I'm pretty sure my note "currently" must give you a *big fat warning*.

o main longterm glibc maintainer was forced to change license;
o copyrights assigments in GCC lead some people not to contribute really
  new and useful stuff;
o absence of license flexibility lead Linus Torvalds to write C
  front-end from scratch; and this guy really shows, us how to live
  with GNU GPLv2 in small scale of huge project of The Linux Kernel.

I bet he can write C compiler from ground, just for fun. And there
will be people on his size, note git source management system.
Pray he will use Fedora Core further, not Debian.

+ I'm personally using jed editor now, and i can see, how it can become
  GNU Emacs killer (among others, of course).

+ GNU make. `apt-cache search make build | grep -i make` in debian/main.

Please don't dig *your* grave.

[ initially i've put only "FTF" e-mail, but it archives are restricted,]
[ so, i'm adding "discussion"   e-mail to Cc list. ]

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Re: emacs without documentation nonsense

[Oleg Verych]

On 2006-11-15, Oleg Verych <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2006-11-15, hendrik wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 01:00:37AM +, Tyler wrote:
>>> I don't know that it's enough reason to go on living, but you will find 
>>> those docs (in)conveniently stored in the package 
>>> emacs21-common-non-dfsg, in the non-free repos.
>
> Sure i can. Anyone can. But this is not all DFSG thing about.
>
>>> At some point I wonder if the devs will realize that they undermine 
>>> their efforts to encourage users to use a dfsg-free system by all but 
>>> forcing us into the non-free repos for basic documentation?
>>
>> Which devs are the ones responsible here: the Debian devs who put it 
>> there, or the upstream ones that presumably put non-free constraints on 
>> the documentatin license?  Or is it all a big misunderstanding?
>
> DFSG is Stallman's "write down your modified version of recipe", unlike
> GFDL. I think users, like me (us?), must contact FSF and RMS there. It
> seems, we left our developers along against them.

And days after i wrote that, want to visit gnu.org to see they info and
contact to do some fsck on them and it seems to be down, very deeply down.
;-E

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Re: /etc/ld.so.conf for dpkg-buildpackage issue

[Oleg Verych]

On 2006-11-18, Scott Edwards wrote:
> I'm building a lib under sarge in a debootstrap chroot as a normal
> user (and fakeroot).  When it gets to this part, it's trying to modify
> the system /etc/ld.so.conf (which is naughty afaict).  What's the
> proper way to prepare this?
>
> Thanks
>
> - Scott.
>
> make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/libcommoncpp2-1.5.1'
> make[3]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'.

I think, installing requires *real* root. And your make target is
running some kind of install, as you can see.


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Re: ot (Re: levels of expertise on software usage)

[Oleg Verych]

On 2006-11-16, John Hasler wrote:
> Oleg Verych writes:
>> I saw such one ! On request to lift up mouse (meaining pointer on the
>> screen) she lifted up mouse device over the table ;D.
>
> Perfectly reasonable interpretation of a very poorly-worded instruction,
> and more evidence that GUIs are not at all intuitive.

Well, that was russian language actually. But i think my english
variation was right in spirit.



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ot (Re: levels of expertise on software usage)

[Oleg Verych]

On 2006-11-15, Chris Bannister wrote:
> Aunt Tilly -- someone who hasn't used/seen a computer.

I saw such one ! On request to lift up mouse (meaining pointer on the
screen) she lifted up mouse device over the table ;D.



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Re: [Fwd: dvd+rw-tools inconsistency??]

[Oleg Verych]

On 2006-11-15, steef wrote:
> hi list,
>
> i am running etch with a 2.6.17-2 kernel, i686. when i burn a dvd with 
> growisofs the burner stops with a  message 'input-output error' when 
> about 2,2 Gigabyte is done.
>
> somebody else with the same experience? is it a bug in dvd+rw-tools or 
> like in older 2.6 kernels an inbuilt kernel-restriction? or something 
> else i do not know of??  
>
> ps.: under slackware11, with the same hardware no problem at all burning 

  2.6.18 kernel, right?
 
> a 4,7 Gb. dvd.
>
> any help/remarks is/are highly appreciated.

Try to switch off DMA:
,--
|# hdparm -d 0 /dev/cdrom
`--
or /dev/dvdrw, or what you have there.



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Re: emacs without documentation nonsense

[Oleg Verych]

On 2006-11-15, hendrik wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 01:00:37AM +, Tyler wrote:
>> I don't know that it's enough reason to go on living, but you will find 
>> those docs (in)conveniently stored in the package 
>> emacs21-common-non-dfsg, in the non-free repos.

Sure i can. Anyone can. But this is not all DFSG thing about.

>> At some point I wonder if the devs will realize that they undermine 
>> their efforts to encourage users to use a dfsg-free system by all but 
>> forcing us into the non-free repos for basic documentation?
>
> Which devs are the ones responsible here: the Debian devs who put it 
> there, or the upstream ones that presumably put non-free constraints on 
> the documentatin license?  Or is it all a big misunderstanding?

DFSG is Stallman's "write down your modified version of recipe", unlike
GFDL. I think users, like me (us?), must contact FSF and RMS there. It
seems, we left our developers along against them.

As result upstream doesn't change.

I've spent one year on new laptop and new sarge, starting from summer
of 2005. Using *only* debian/main i've managed to do my job.

Today, without even "man gcc", nobody will to have debian/main any
more. That's why i'm saying about living. What's living, without
successors?

More on that. I tried to have emacs skills as part of
"real programmers practice over more than 15 years", not only after RMS'
propaganda. And i'm not a programmer or debian developer, who *are* using
emacs for programming and packaging Free Software and DFSG Debian.

When all GFDL docs were removed from linux, back in 2004, i was newbie
to Debian and real problems with todays RMS: glibc (*forcing* longterm
maintainer to switch license), gcc (forcing to give away copyright,
thus some useful things are thrown away; problems why Linus Torvalds
wrote C parser fron-end from scratch (sparse)). Forking f*cking, stupid
firefox together is OK, to listen and change few things in GFDL 1.2 --
suck more.

I wish jed development will result in much better editor.



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emacs without documentation nonsense

[Oleg Verych]

It's here.
Congratulations.
Are there reasons to live?

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Re: timezone and clock error

[Oleg Verych]

On 2006-11-02, Dean Allen Provins wrote:
> Hello:
>
> It seems that the PC clocks here in Alberta are still on daylight
> savings time.  This is odd as Alberta's clocks switched back last
> weekend.
>
> /etc/timezone contains:
>
> Canada/Mountain
>
> Anyone know how to fix them?

If it really is, then check last timezone update in the Glibc (libc6),
then file bug report, if even most recent version has errors.
(Note, that Debian is using relatevely old glibc, but libc maintainers
are trying to backport and update it, of course).

But just to have correct local time, you may use tzselect and specify
time offset directly:
,--
|[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ export TZ='UTC-1'
|[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ date
|Fri Nov  3 17:41:20 UTC 2006
|[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ date -R
|Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:41:38 +0100
|[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
`--
(Note, TZ value is set up by how many hours Universal Time is ahead (or
back), but `date' shows how many hours you must add to Universal Time
to get your local one).

> Regards,
>
> Dean
> in Calgary
>



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Re: Any dash fans out there?

[Oleg Verych]

On 2006-10-22, Tim Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello list, 
>
> I'm trying to build some more functionality into dash, and take out some
> stuff that isn't needed to have it act pretty much just as a very
> lightweight script interpreter. 
[]
> I've done some, but my C is absolutely nowhere near the caliber it needs
> to be to do everything I want to do. I've done stuff already like taking
> out checking for mail, messages, etc, and other things you really don't
> need in a super light version.

Well, i think you must try to send your patches to the upsteam.
I'm user of dash, my /bin/sh is set to dash. I saw that absolutely
needless e-mail check and some more stuff. It will be interesting to
see something new.

Good luck!



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Re: Timezone confusion

[Oleg Verych]

Thomas,

On 2006-10-03, Thomas A. Anderson wrote:
> This is how I have done it:
> 1. "tzconfig" to set the time zone
> 2. edit /etc/default/rcS to include "UTC=yes"
> 3. date --set=""
> 4. "hwclock --utc --systohc" to set the hardware clock to GMT

as i answered in private to you, "man hwclock" (with refs) is worth reading.
But if you like to find answer in the archive, it's also good, for
search skills (of google ;).

Kernel on boot sets up its system clock assuming CMOS (or call it RTC) has
time in UTC (kernel doesn't need all timezone database and userprompting
on boot, does it?). And as it stated in the sources, this scheme was in
UNIX. IMHO, very globally smart thing, it's not that mess, advanced
user will find in Offtpic System.

So, switch OFF _all_ time changing flags and options in your XP, set time
in BIOS to UTC (GMT) and be sure, that in linux you have correct time.
Need to know what's time in particular place, run tzselect and explore.
Need to know other interesting things about time, run date.

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Re: Timezone confusion

[Oleg Verych]

Hallo,

On 2006-10-03, Thomas A. Anderson wrote:
> is wrong even though the timezone has been correctly set up with tzconfig
>
> tzconfig
> Your current time zone is set to America/Lima
>

try tzselect, it show what time will be after setup.

> Why is date still showing a wrong time?
>
> Any pointers very much appreciated :-)

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Re: (end of) Development and documentation in Debian

[Oleg Verych]

Hallo, Kevin
(using half of your's mail-followup-to, because i'm using gmane.org,
 and i don't know what will happen ;)

On 2006-10-01, Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Sep 30, 2006 at 10:06:51PM +, Oleg Verych wrote:
[-0-]
>> Debian project is to provide free OS. How one can develop that free OS
>> without (that small amount of) documentation ?
[-0-]
>> So, we will have free OS, nobody can develop without nonfree ?
>> Nonsense.
>> It's very sad...
[-0-]
> Many folks here who believe in the DFSG understand and agree with your
> point.
[-0-]
> You should check out the bug report
> relating to the use of 'firefox' by mozilla.com and the recent release
> of cdrkit after talks with its author failed. If documentation is

I don't care about that any more. I use lynx (galeon) and dvd+rw-tools.
Finally i forced to use linux-console+screen+mutt+slrn+jed+lynx+most
(pdftotext soon). Where's useful free software with non-text user interface?
I don't know. And GCC without even man? It's crossing the line.

But i saw first sings of GNU FDL, when linux-kernel/Documentation/ was
cleaned in very radical way. Sadly mister RMS didn't care and started
***v3, now published and proposed for discussion. Funny, that the most
functionality of many programs is done in libraries, yet it isn't pure GPL,
but LGPL, or GPL with "special exception".

IMHO, true GPLed software is The Linux Kernel, not part of GNU project and
FSF copyright. Lovely PITA of mister RMS.

> DFSG-free, it ensures that you can do more than just read it. The 4
> freedoms that RMS wrote are not simply about just being able to read a
> book or work.

Deadlock with mister RMS here, see GNU F;DL.
boom.com and many obsolete HOWTOs, very old documentation, no
documentation, GNU FDL documentation. In short: nothing !

> The solution is to ask the author to relicense the work
> and/or for someone to create a new work that complies with the DFSG.
> I too look forward to the day when we have DFSG documentation.

dung-tank ... err ... duck-tank ... no, dunc-tank, yea ?!

It will be very hard to make distribution, where there isn't any useful
free program or stuff. Anyway, good luck to Debian developers and users...


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(end of) Development and documentation in Debian

[Oleg Verych]

Hallo, dear developers and users of Debian.
I actually didn't care to search much of www, because i fed up with
all of it, this is just my opinion.

Mile stone, we are now is "man gcc": nothing found. Next mile stone
"C-h i": nothing found...

Debian project is to provide free OS. How one can develop that free OS
without (that small amount of) documentation ? Emacs is by definition
one that:
"Description: The GNU Emacs editor
 GNU Emacs is the extensible *self-documenting* text editor."
Indeed. I doubt, one can use it without cabinet of vodka and month of
reading emacs' docs.

So, we will have free OS, nobody can develop without nonfree ?
Nonsense.
It's very sad...

Kind of GNU Fuckup.
Overdesign simple and let complex to whatever...

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