Re: Looking for video card to drive 1920x1200 LCD monitor
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:57:18 -0700, Steven Yap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If you're using the ATI proprietary driver, please post your experience with it. Does your windows tear when being moved? Are screen updates slow when a high resolution ( 1280x1024) is in use? In brief, my system is a 3GHz P4 with a 9800 Pro driving a Dell 1800FP panel via DVI at the physical resolution of 1280x1024. I'm using the ATI fglrx driver version 3.7.0 on kernel 2.6.6, and performance seems fine; a very unscientific test (open a window and drag it hither and thither) reveals no noticeable tearing. 3D performance is excellent. If you do choose to pursue this root, be sure to check out this page: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html Hope this helps, Peter. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Investigation Report after Server Compromises
Greg Folkert wrote: Shoulda Been: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2003/msg3.html What a wanker I am. No, Peter no comment needed. On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 11:08, Greg Folkert wrote: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2003/msg3.htmlDebian :-D Who? Me? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] The IWETHEY project: http://www.iwethey.org Collaborative Media Foundation: http://collaborativemedia.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: x only works for root
On Sun, 2003-11-30 at 20:34, Paul Morgan wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 14:07:37 -0600, tripolar wrote: Thanks a million both gnome kde work now as regular user Paul Morgan wrote: /tmp should be owned by root and open to everyone: drwxrwxrwx9 root root 4096 Nov 30 14:14 /tmp as root, do chown root:root /tmp chmod 777 /tmp Great! BTW, One thing to look out for (not you specifically, but any reader in general): if one is breaking out filesystems into separate partitions, or copying filesystems (or LVs if you're using LVM), remember not only to copy the data *in* the old filesystem to the new, but also remember to set the permissions correctly on the new filesystem. For example: mount /dev/hdXX /mnt/new-usr cp -ax /usr/* /mnt/new-usr ls -ld /usr and chown, chmod /mnt/new-usr to match. Actually, one can set something like this automatically by doing mount /dev/hdXX /mnt/usr cp -ax /usr /mnt Then cp will copy the top-level /usr directory together with all its attributes. I only mention it because this is something I've forgotten a few times, and gdm, postgres, nntpcached and squid have all got pissed off with me :) Actually, I think it's better practice to set the sticky bit with chmod 1777 /tmp. From the chmod man page: STICKY DIRECTORIES When the sticky bit is set on a directory, files in that directory may be unlinked or renamed only by root or their owner. Without the sticky bit, anyone able to write to the directory can delete or rename files. The sticky bit is commonly found on directories, such as /tmp, that are world-writable. Regards, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: simple backup script
on Tue, Sep 02, 2003, Yves Goergen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Why don't you just use RAID to mirror your harddisk? Saves you daily backups and gives you instant backup on failure. And IIRC your system can keep on running 'on one tyre'. Mirrored RAID is not a backup solution. A backup is necessarily different to what you have; you've got what you've got, which is why you want something else off tape. Peter. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] The IWETHEY project: http://www.iwethey.org pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Q3Demo Segfault
on Tue, Aug 19, 2003, Lucas J Barbuto ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi List, Obviously not a big deal, but I'd really like to run q3demo. It's been working OK previously (a couple of weeks ago), but recently it's been segfaulting. I suspect some package was upgraded (I dist-upgrade almost every day) that's broken it, but I can't (don't know how to) figure out what or how. I strongly, strongly recommend installing the 1.32b update before reporting any additional problems. Regards, Peter. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: INVESTMENT
On Sun, 2003-08-17 at 20:19, Steve Lamb wrote: On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 12:35:37 -0500 Michael D Schleif [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please, be more concise with your attributions and quoting: www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html#ss2.1 This has to be a first for me in almost 20 years of being online. Someone playing netcop and admonishing someone else to properly quote a variant of the Nigerian spam. o.O Good for a laugh or three. :) Surest sign I've ever seen of a REALLY slow day on debian-user. Peter. (being careful to get attributions lined up correctly :-)) -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Good Debian-based distro
on Mon, Aug 11, 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: And Knoppix uses Kudzu And Kudzu is available as a Debian package Then why don't we (Debian) use Kudzu as an installation tool? How many of the 11 official architectures does Kudzu run on? P. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Good Debian-based distro
on Tue, Aug 12, 2003, Andrew Malcolmson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The Social Contract states we will be guided by the needs of our users. Has anyone done a poll on how many Debian users still run non-i386 systems? You seem bothered about it. Are you volunteering? Sure portability sounds nice, but what is a hppa, anyway? How many users still run sparcs? Why should I as a user have to spend hours fiddling with obscure hardware setup issues and avoid recommending Debian to others so that Debian can run identically on every platform around. Leave this goal to NetBSD. Translation: I've got a PC, so everyone else can go fuck themselves. Go run a nasty, hard-to-manage BSD UNIX instead. If you're getting into the portability argument and you cannot even be bothered to go to the ports page to look up what hppa means... well. That's lazy. You can't even be bothered to read the FAQ that addresses *this very question*: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-compat.en.html#s-arches Obscure hardware setup issues? All Debian 3.0 asked me was what make and model my video card was. Given that I've still got the box, identifying it as an nVidia GeForce 4 wasn't TOO stressful. Anyway, why do we think that portability is a top priority? Can someone show me Debian's policy statements on this? Read part 4 of the social contract: We will support the needs of our users for operation in many different kinds of computing environment. You sound as though you don't understand that there are no second-class architectures in Debian; if you want an i386-centric Linux, go play with Red Hat or Mandrake. Debian is about (among other things) not excluding people just because their hardware isn't like yours. Regards, Peter. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: USB CD-RW Drives
on Sat, Aug 09, 2003, Jerry ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I have two usb cd-rw drives connected to my computer. I recently had to reinstall Woody 3.0r0. Now, Woody cannot see these drives. In my previous install they were scd0 scd1. Now, when I run sg_map -i these drives do not show up. In modconf I can see that I have sg installed, and I have usbcore installed. Here is the modules contents of my /etc/modules file: usb-uhci usb-ohci You should only need one of these modules in most normal scenarios; unless you have added USB ports to your system via a PCI card, for example. Most people with Intel or VIA chipsets require the usb-uhci module. However, using both *shouldn't* cause a problem; the superfluous one *should* just generate errors at load time. I'd get rid of it just to be sure. input usbkbd keybdev lp radeon mousedev ide-scsi You've recompiled to enable IDE-SCSI support, but did you remember to disable IDE CDROM support? Not doing so will hide the drives from the SCSI subsystem. Hope this helps, Peter. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What this error mean?
on Mon, Aug 11, 2003, Listas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
What this error mean?
* hdc: dma_intr: status = 0x51 {driveready seekcomplete
error} hdc: dma_intr : error = 0x84 {drive statuserror
badcrc}
It means bad mojo, get your data off that disk ASAP and then fling it
in the bin, after salvaging the strong magnets.
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Re: Good Debian-based distro
on Mon, Aug 11, 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Is there a buzzword to reference? Yes. Portability. The same Debian Installer runs on 11 different architectures. Knoppix doesn't. If a decision was made to break the installer on platforms such as hppa and sparc in favour of superduper hardware detection on x86, I for one would be breaking out the torches and pitchforks. Regards Peter. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: debian
On Fri, 2003-06-20 at 18:56, Vineet Kumar wrote: Anyone who thinks it's hard to install debian should try installing redhat on pa-risc or sparc! (It's not difficult -- it's impossible! (AFAIK)) Feh! Installing Debian onto my HP D330 was a doddle. Easier than the i386 install, actually. A little bit of (well documented) setup to get the lifimage served by tftp, boot the D330 off the LAN, and you're off. After that, it's just another Debian box. Regards Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The IWETHEY Project : http://z.iwethey.org/forums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: debian spammed
-Original Message- From: Paul Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 March 2003 12:25 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: debian spammed Heh, we get enough complaining about your spam 'round Portland in Computer Bits. 8:o) Go hit up dman's website about integrating exim with spamassassin, set up a quick procmail rule, and be sure to use the new Bayesian learner. You can then end the multiple-email-address stupidity once and for all. Spamcop.net is pretty handy in reporting it all. Have you got that URL at hand? Regards Peter. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: odd mouse problem
Alex Malinovich wrote: I've got a minor mouse problem. My USB mouse works great in just about everything, but I just discovered one application of the utmost importance that it doesn't work in. Quake 3. :) Ok, so it's not really of the utmost importance. :) All of my buttons work just fine, but I'm getting no actual MOVEMENT from the mouse. It works flawlessly in everything else I've ever thrown at it, but it just refuses to do any moving in Quake 3. Any suggestions on what it might be, or any way to track down the culprit? Any help is greatly appreciated. TIA. :) -Alex I'd like to say... Me Too. Scenario: AMD Athlon XP 1800+ / VIA KT133 chipset Kernel 2.4.19, USB support all modular MS Intellimouse Explorer (their software sucks but credit where it's due - they make nice mice) Quake 3 1.32 Debian sid/experimental NVIDIA drivers v4191 driving Ti4200 Quake 3 runs like a sweetheart - nearly 200 frames a second - but sometime in the last couple of weeks, the mouse stopped working as you describe. The real kicker? Unreal Tournament and UT2K3 work just fine. All ideas welcome, as you say. I spent a couple of fruitless evenings googling for this. I've installed usb-perms and set the appropriate permissions and started the daemon, but still no joy. Regards, Peter -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kuro5hin.org | Collaborative Media http://z.iwethey.org/forums | The IWETHEY Project -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: odd mouse problem - SOLVED
Alex Malinovich wrote: [snip] Well, just in case someone else runs across the problem, updating from the 1.32 point release to the 1.32b point release fixed the problem. 1.32b is kind of hard to find though, so look in ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/quake3/linux. You sir, are a star. This fixed it for me, too. Frag ya later. P. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kuro5hin.org | Collaborative Media http://z.iwethey.org/forums | The IWETHEY Project -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slow Win2k after Debian install
On Sat, 2002-10-05 at 09:45, ben wrote: On Saturday 05 October 2002 12:32 am, Peter Whysall wrote: On Fri, 2002-10-04 at 19:43, Kourosh Ghassemieh wrote: On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 07:30:47PM +0100, jerry k wrote: Kourosh wrote: One thing you may want to try is to use W2K's disk management tools to delete the last partitioan, i.e. G:, then reboot so that it is no longer recognized as drive G: in Windows. That should clear up the problem with Explorer trying to read the G: drive. This won't affect the debian data on G:? I'll try it after the base install. It's very annoying having to deal with this kind of thing from windows, i guess it knows i'm trying to ditch it and is playing the jealous lover (stalker, more like!) Thank's! Jerry Back up your data before deleting partitions!!! I'm sure there is a way to tell Windows to ignore an already created partition by editing the registry but I don't know how. My suggestion to delete the partition in W2K _will_ cause all data to be erased and will require a re-install of Debian. You don't need to edit the registry. Simply use Disk Manager (right-click My Computer-Manage, Logical disk manager service) to remove the drive letter from drive G:. This process will not affect the data on the partition. this definitely has nada to do with debian. there's a point in time where even the most considerate advice outlives its place on this list. you've hit it, you win-nazis. Excuse me, but I think that preventing someone from inadvertently nuking their whole Debian installation might have something to do with Debian. do i have to wait for someone else to invoke godwin's law, or is this enough? Godwin's Law is misunderstood, as you quite clearly demonstrate. Regards Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slow Win2k after Debian install
ben wrote: On Saturday 05 October 2002 03:20 am, Peter Whysall wrote: [snip] Excuse me, but I think that preventing someone from inadvertently nuking their whole Debian installation might have something to do with Debian. do i have to wait for someone else to invoke godwin's law, or is this enough? Godwin's Law is misunderstood, as you quite clearly demonstrate. Regards Peter. if you can the use of any combination of win tools to successfully preserve any non-win installation, i will gladly applaud you. as for any misunderstanding of godwin's law, i'm equally open to edification. Godwin's law is not something one can invoke. It merely states that given a thread of sufficient length, the probability that one party will compare the other to Hitler or Nazis approaches 1. When one party deliberately mentions it, and uses the word Nazi, then the situation is abnormal. Perhaps there should be a corollary, vis: As a discussion grows, the likelihood of one party muttering about Godwin's Law also approaches 1. Refer to: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/Godwin's-Law.html For The Werd. Cheers, Peter. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux sid on i386 and hppa Editor, www.kuro5hin.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: damn gdm2 greeter - can't login :(((
on Wed, Oct 02, 2002, Roman Joost ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I don't know what i did wrong, but i can't login no more. Not with a user account and not with root. If i login the xsession-error file tells me nothing, because there no errors. Anyone the same problem and know what i can do to fix it? I looked in /var/log/auth.log and can't find an error. A hint where to look for error will be appreciated. Immediately after a login failure, switch to a VT and take a peek at the end of /var/log/syslog. Do you have an error from PAM regarding pam_limits.so? If you do, then you can temporarily circumvent the problem by editing /etc/pam.d/gdm and commenting out the line that mentions pam_limits.so. gdm should now let you login. * WARNING * I do NOT know how much this compromises the security of your system. I'm no PAM expert. Can someone with PAM-fu help us out here? Do I need to file bugs against PAM (specifically, libpam-modules which owns the pam_limits.so) or the packages? I've seen this problem on gdm and ssh, and the above procedure fixed it on both. Note that this is only happening on my unstable/experimental box, The Woody box is fine. Regards, Peter. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ext2 ext3 ?
on Wed, Oct 02, 2002, Eric Boese-Wolf ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: It really worths knowing how to compile a custom kernel. Many things are really faster if you don't have to use them as module. And think of the security improvement if you can disable the LKM-Mechanism as a whole. Could you explain this? Firstly, I'm not aware of performance improvement or degradation arising from the use or non-use of modules per se - however, I've never gone looking for it. I've always used modules for their convenience value, rather than their ability to make my system go faster or slower. Information on this would be interesting. I'm interested to know about security implications of the kernel module system. Presumably you're thinking of a scenario where an attacker gets sufficient privilege to replace mymodule.o with a malicious mymodule.o, therefore gaining some nefarious ability. Well, while not totally unfeasible, this scenario is unlikely and doesn't bother me for the following reason: if you've been rooted, you're looking at nuking the system and restoring data anyway. However, there might be more subtle aspects to this that I don't get. Wouldn't be the first time :-) Regards Peter. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)
On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 06:47, Josh Rehman wrote: I agree with Jerry. Consider that as a new user of this list, I began with a post asking about ext3. I found the responses to be overall very helpful, although at first rather terse. Encouraged, I responded to a Terseness is not always bad. I always try to respond to a politely asked, well-structured question in kind; I personally think that people who post only links to documentation are basically insulting people's intelligence. We can all drive Google. A good example of this is the thread about the SBLive. To someone saying I can't get my SBLive! working, a reply consisting solely of a link to the ALSA project is *no help at all*. ALSA is a non-trivial exercise to set up - pointing someone at it with no supporting material is a good way to waste an inexperienced user's time. thread about the structure of the list itself, namely the use of reply-to headers. Instead of responding materially to my points, one poster, for example, made mention of my use of Outlook as a mail client, apparently attempted to embarrass or attack me. This is, of course, a variation of ad hominem. This argument is so common and recognizable in the computing field it can be given a special name, let us call it the 'ad technium' fallacy. Who was that? Let's expose the moron! Really, people. Lambasting posters for their choice of email client is so far beyond lame it's embarrassing. Some of us work in environments where we don't get to choose the mail client. Take care and stick around. P. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)
On Tue, 2002-10-01 at 19:25, Jamin W.Collins wrote: On 01 Oct 2002 18:23:40 +0100 Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terseness is not always bad. I always try to respond to a politely asked, well-structured question in kind; I personally think that people who post only links to documentation are basically insulting people's intelligence. We can all drive Google. Really? A number of the questions that have been asked on the list are answered within the first three to five hits on Google using simple key words from the original posters e-mail. This would seem to indicate that your statement is incorrect. You and I both know that there is a right and a wrong way to ask about things. When I post a question here, I've always done my homework first and have exhausted my own resources. However, many people who post here are inexperienced, and have reached a point of frustration where their experience with Debian might come to an abrupt end if someone doesn't do a little hand-holding. I would much rather repeat myself than potentially lose a new user who is likely to think stuff this, I'll go get me some Red Hat.. I think that's what I was trying to get at. And no, it wasn't your post that was terse :-) -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD R/W
On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 00:05, Gerard Robin wrote: On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 10:32:27PM +, Gerard Robin wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 10:58:27AM +0200, Olivier Esser wrote: Hello! I've a CD burner which is identified by the kernel at boot time as something like ATAPI CD R/W. I have no idea how to use it to burn CD. Do I need a driver? a software? append = apm=on apm=power-of idebus=N hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi max_scsi_luns=1 ( N = 33 or 66 ...) Well, that's interesting. I didn't have to do this. In fact, I didn't change my grub config at all. And it worked. Proof positive that YMMV, I guess. P. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: More Trials and tribulations
On Mon, 2002-09-30 at 00:05, lameth wrote: Okay after finally getting x-windows to start. I have three new problems; 1 I'm using xdm to start my x-windows session and it starts kde. I'd much rather use gnome, how do I change to gdm. apt-get install gdm Then, if debconf doesn't ask you during the install which you want to be default dm: dpkg-reconfigure gdm Then, when you're happy that gdm is doin' the do for you: apt-get remove xdm Don't worry about the x-window-system package getting removed automatically - it's a metapackage which only exists to depend on other packages to ease installation. 2 I have a sound blaster live value card installed but the sound server isn't worker, can someone point in the right direction to configure the sound modules. Make sure you've got sound and the SB Live! driver (emu10k1) compiled right kernel-wise, and then cheat: apt-get install sndconfig 3 I have my ppp connection configured but I can't connect to the internet while I'm logged in as my everyday user, or at will as root. When I was using Mandrake linux kde had Kppp but I didn't see it in any of the menus. Could someone give me an idea of how to solve this? apt-get install kppp ? Hope this helps. P. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD R/W
on Mon, Sep 30, 2002, Olivier Esser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hello! I've a CD burner which is identified by the kernel at boot time as something like ATAPI CD R/W. I have no idea how to use it to burn CD. Do I need a driver? a software? In summary, here are the steps you need to take: 1. Fix your mail setup so that it wraps at 72 columns. 2. Ensure that you have the following kernel options set: * SCSI support * SCSI CDROM support * IDE-SCSI Emulation * Generic SCSI device support * Be sure to turn off IDE CDROM support 3. Do the above and then check that /dev/cdrom is symlinked to /dev/scd0 4. Grab a copy of X-CD-Roast (apt-get install xcdroast) and test your new stuff. 5. Burn CDs! HTH Peter. msg04399/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how to recover from an X lockup
Alvin Oga wrote: hi ya travis - try the various(6) consoles ( Alt-F1 ... alt-F6 ) - start X11 from console ( init 3 ) and you can kill X by control-C on cosole No. This seems to have caused quite some confusion. This is NOT how X is started on a regular Debian installation. You seem to be crossing your Red Hat knowledge over into Debian. This is confusing for people. snip - if you cann ssh-in if you can see X processes... kill those you dont want or blinly kill X11 init 3 ; sleep 5 ; init 5 As before, that won't affect X. Because isn't started in /etc/init.d (note, however, that (x|g|w|k)dm may be started in /etc/init.d), just changing runlevels won't affect anything here. killall -9 X might do it, however. Again, this is how Red Hat arranges its runlevels (3 = multiuser, 5 = multiuser + graphical login), and as such, is irrelevant to a Debian problem. In short, X lockups are resolved by either connecting remotely and killing the X process, or, if this doesn't work, rebooting the machine in an orderly manner (I have seen games lock the X display in such a way that just killing X doesn't restore order). If the box is locked hard and cannot be remotely connected to, the reset switch is pretty much your only option. Regards Peter. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux sid on i386 and hppa Editor, www.kuro5hin.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: i810 video and Debian 3.0
Evan Burkitt wrote: At 09:09 2002.09.08 +0100, Peter Whysall wrote: On Sun, 2002-09-08 at 07:44, Evan Burkitt wrote: I recently installed version 3.0 of Debian on a Dell GX110, which has a built-in video adaptor based on the Intel i810 controller. I set up Xfree86 during installation from Debian packages, but it fails to start due to a missing agpgart module. I looked at the source distributions for XFree86 and the agpgart module doesn't appear to be in the 4.x distribution, and the file in the 3.x distribution doesn't support the v2.4 Linux kernel. If I have to, I can install a video card in a PCI slot and override the built-in hardware, but I'd prefer not to spend the money or disturb the Win2K installation that the computer dual-boots. Any recommendations on how I can get X to work with my existing hardware? The missing module is a kernel module - not an XFree86 one. Here's the relevant bits from my config (BX440 board): CONFIG_AGP=y CONFIG_AGP_INTEL=y # CONFIG_AGP_I810 is not set # CONFIG_AGP_VIA is not set # CONFIG_AGP_AMD is not set # CONFIG_AGP_SIS is not set # CONFIG_AGP_ALI is not set # CONFIG_AGP_SWORKS is not set CONFIG_DRM=y As you can see, there's a specific option for i810 AGP. It can be compiled into the kernel, or as a module. You can find these options in the Character Devices section, if you use menuconfig or xconfig. Hope this helps. I think it will, once I find the config you're referencing. Also, I don't appear to have either menuconfig or xconfig on my installation. All I have for X configuration is /usr/X11R6/bin/xf86config and dpkg-reconfigure run with 'xserver-xfree86' on the command line. I also don't have the agpgart module present; modprobe agpgart reports that it can't find it. If you could point me toward the config file I'll see what it says. Before we do that - are you using a regular Debian kernel package? I.e., did you install it by apt-get install kernel-imagefoo ? Regards Peter. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux sid on i386 and hppa Editor, www.kuro5hin.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to recover from an X lockup
martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Alvin Oga [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.09.05.0322 +0200]: - if you cann ssh-in if you can see X processes... kill those you dont want or blinly kill X11 init 3 ; sleep 5 ; init 5 since when does that kill X? It does on Red Hat :-) P. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux sid on i386 and hppa Editor, www.kuro5hin.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: network configuration problem
On Fri, 2002-06-28 at 07:49, Lars Jensen wrote: Initially when I first set up my system (potato), I configured the network for DHCP. How do I change it to a manual configuration of DNS, gateway and permanent IP? Which files do I need to change? Is there a tool for this? Also, how do I change my host name. Your hostname is set in /etc/hostname. DNS is dealt with in /etc/resolv.conf like so: search your local domain here nameserver your DNS server here The search line is optional. To configure the network card itself, you want to look at /etc/network/interfaces Here's the relevant stanza from mine: auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 10.200.1.2 netmask 255.255.0.0 gateway 10.200.1.1 broadcast 10.200.255.255 Hope this helps. Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: ATI Rage 128 and XFree 4.1
On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 00:29, Michael Jinks wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 11:15:05AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: If you're on the verge of doing 2, it might be better to help test Branden's 4.2 packages. Mirrors are listed here: http://www.debianplanet.org/article.php?sid=696mode=threadorder=0thold=0 Trying to do this and running into my apt-ignorance, I think. I took Brendan's list of mirrors and chose a line for my sources.list file, for example: deb http://people.brainfood.com/~doogie/x4.2/mirror sid/i386 / ...but 'apt-get update' gripes as follows: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://people.brainfood.com sid/i386// Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/people.brainfood.com_%7edoogie_x4.2_mirror_dists_sid_i386___binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. I don't normally install packages from outside a given release of the distro, so this sort of thing is new to me. Have I missed something? So far I've tried two different mirrors with similar results. I've had success using this mirror: deb ftp://ftp.nlc.no/pub/debian/x4.2 sid/$(ARCH)/ Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: ATI Rage 128 and XFree 4.1
- Original Message - From: Michael Jinks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Helgi ?rn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Carlos Sousa [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Debian User List debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:59 PM Subject: Re: ATI Rage 128 and XFree 4.1 On Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 05:41:43PM +0200, Helgi ?rn wrote: Is this on a laptop too? In Michaels case I think it was a laptop. FYI no, it's a Dell Optiplex GX240. Mini desktop, video on the motherboard. I have one of these on my desk at work, it's running Sid/Windows XP. The ATI card is a strange Rage 128 Ultra TF, which isn't even listed on ATI's web site. I'm guessing that it's an OEM Spesh for Dell. You have two options. 1. use the vesa driver and live with extremely shonky video performance. 2. Download the binary distribution of XFree86 4.2 and install this over your Debian install. What I did was to install XFree86 (apt-get install x-window-system) and then did a sequence of events that looked something like this: # mv /etc/X11 /etc/X11.pw # mv /usr/X11R6 /usr/X11R6/pw # cd /root/downloaded_x/ # sh Xinstall.sh ... install X ... I then did the little dance with XFree86 -configure, changed my keymap to gb, and the mouse device and protocol from /dev/mouse and auto to /dev/psaux and IMPS/2. Hope this helps. When I return to the office I will, if you like, post a copy of my working /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. On an GX240-related note, have you noticed that the thing runs far slower than you would expect, particularly with respect to disk performance? (Yes, I've turned on DMA :-) Best regards Peter. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pls recommend a IDE raid card
Patrick Hsieh writes: Hello list, I'd like to implement RAID 1 or RAID 0+1 in my Debian woody. Please recommend the product or chipset which supports Linux well and proven stable in productive environment. Thanks. http://www.google.com/search?hl=enie=UTF-8oe=UTF8q=ide+raid+debian+linux Do a /little/ research before asking us to hit up Google for you. Take care, Peter. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ATI Rage 128 and XFree 4.1
Colin Watson writes: On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 10:22:36AM +0100, Peter Whysall wrote: You have two options. 1. use the vesa driver and live with extremely shonky video performance. 2. Download the binary distribution of XFree86 4.2 and install this over your Debian install. If you're on the verge of doing 2, it might be better to help test Branden's 4.2 packages. Mirrors are listed here: http://www.debianplanet.org/article.php?sid=696mode=threadorder=0thold=0 Thanks. I wasn't aware that Branden had packaged 4.2. I'll test with that this afternoon and report back. Regards Peter. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Semi-Hot-Swap of IDE discs (OT) - dvd
-Original Message- From: Alvin Oga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 June 2002 12:55 To: Ron Johnson Cc: Debian-User Subject: Re: Semi-Hot-Swap of IDE discs (OT) - dvd hi ya Don't tapes get torn, munched and demagnetized? be more careful in handling and storage ?? It's been years since I've seen that, but _maybe_ (or maybe not) that's because I shell out USD3,000 for a DLT drive and USD60 for DLT tapes... I'm sure AIT has the same quality. and yes... a good drive helps... Why not do backups on CD-R/RW? Hmmm. Let's see: Max uncompressed storage on CD: 700MB Max Uncompressed storage on tape: 110,000MB (SuperDLT) I've just taken delivery of a twin-drive 16-bay AIT3 library. Total capacity - 4160 Gigabytes. The 260GB tapes are £90 each. Now /this/ is a backup solution. Cost per megabyte (CDRW): Assume a cost of £2.50 for a single blank CDRW of quality. Assume 800MB of data written, given a reasonable compression ratio. So each megabyte of data costs 0.31 pence (that's £3.20 per gigabyte) Cost per megabyte (DLT): Assume a cost of £50.00 for a single blank DLT4 cartridge of quality. Assume 60GB of data written (DLT8000, 40/80GB), given a reasonable but not perfect compression ratio. Each megabyte of data costs 0.081 pence (That's 81p a gigabyte). dvd's are good up to about 4GB abnd some newer ones just announced are good for 100GB ... probably will be cheaper to get bunch of 100GB ide disks for $100 each than those 100GB dvd drives.. CD/DVD is NOT COST-EFFECTIVE as a backup strategy. Never mind the unreliability, the short lifespan of the media and the low speed. -- opps, took out too much of the who said what part... oh well.. Please be more careful with attributions in future. c ya alvin Regards, Peter. This message, including attachments, is intended only for the use by the person(s) to whom it is addressed. It may contain information which is privileged and confidential. Copying or use by anybody else is not authorised. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender as soon as possible. The views expressed in this communication may not necessarily be the views held by Serco Integrated Transport. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: usb mouse and XFree86 config problem
Bill from Tampa wrote: I can't get X to run on my new woody installation (installed from the net using the isolinux method). The base installation went well. I've tried several times to generate an XF86Config-4 file --but none of them work (I used XFree86 -configure, and also the ?debconf method). When I run startx, it ends with an error message: cannot open device /dev/input/mice No such device. /dev/input/mice seems to exist, however. My keyboard and mouse are both usb. The mouse is a HP wheel mouse with a left and right button and the wheel. Both the mouse and keyboard were working perfectly under Mandrake 8.2, which I have unfortunately nuked to install Debian (I know I should have looked carefully at my XF86Config-4 file under Mandrake...) The keyboard works fine with the console (don't know about under X, haven't gotten that far yet...). I copied a usb mouse config section from an XF86Config-4 file that someone kindly posted to this group in the past -- it also didn't work with the same error message. Here is the relevant section: SectionInputDevice IdentifierMouse0 Drivermouse OptionSendCoreEventstrue OptionDevice/dev/input/mice OptionProtocolImPS/2 OptionEmulate3Buttonstrue OptionZAxisMapping4 5 Any ideas or suggestions? I installed the 2.4 kernel with woody, hoping it would have more mature usb handling capacity. Do I need to link or configure /dev/input/mice somehow, or is this a red herring? Thanks for any help, as I am stuck!! I even had to boot into XP to send this... You will need to install USB support into your kernel, and I didn't get sane USB on my sid box until I installed the hotplug package. Regards Peter. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: usb mouse and XFree86 config problem
Bill from Tampa wrote: I can't get X to run on my new woody installation (installed from the net using the isolinux method). The base installation went well. I've tried several times to generate an XF86Config-4 file --but none of them work (I used XFree86 -configure, and also the ?debconf method). When I run startx, it ends with an error message: cannot open device /dev/input/mice No such device. /dev/input/mice seems to exist, however. My keyboard and mouse are both usb. The mouse is a HP wheel mouse with a left and right button and the wheel. Both the mouse and keyboard were working perfectly under Mandrake 8.2, which I have unfortunately nuked to install Debian (I know I should have looked carefully at my XF86Config-4 file under Mandrake...) The keyboard works fine with the console (don't know about under X, haven't gotten that far yet...). I copied a usb mouse config section from an XF86Config-4 file that someone kindly posted to this group in the past -- it also didn't work with the same error message. Here is the relevant section: SectionInputDevice IdentifierMouse0 Drivermouse OptionSendCoreEventstrue OptionDevice/dev/input/mice OptionProtocolImPS/2 OptionEmulate3Buttonstrue OptionZAxisMapping4 5 Any ideas or suggestions? I installed the 2.4 kernel with woody, hoping it would have more mature usb handling capacity. Do I need to link or configure /dev/input/mice somehow, or is this a red herring? Thanks for any help, as I am stuck!! I even had to boot into XP to send this... You will need to install USB support into your kernel, and I didn't get sane USB on my sid box until I installed the hotplug package. Regards Peter. -- ÿþ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OGG wont do
On Mon, 2002-06-17 at 21:54, Florian Struck wrote: On Monday 17 June 2002 22:44, Steve Juranich wrote: Have you tried just playing the .ogg files with ogg123? Do you have any KNOWN GOOD-type of .ogg's? I'd test with those first to see if it's a problem with your player or with the encoder. Hehe just tryed playing with ogg123 it says: Error opening mp3/joplin_janis/greatest_hits/piece_of_my_heart.ogg using the oggvorbis module. The file may be corrupted. Random thought. Rename that file to blah.mp3 and play it again. Are you /really/ encoding in OGG format? Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Hosed my X11 install
On Sun, 2002-06-16 at 08:24, Bill Moseley wrote: I then updated sources.list to sid and upgraded. Then apt-get install xserver-xfree86, which seems like that installed 4.1. The problem is not I don't have an XF86Config-4 file. So, the question is: how do I remove all traces of X11, and then start clean and install X11 4.1? apt-get install x-window-system. This is a metapackage which depends on all the bits you need for a functional X setup. Then you probably want to grab a windowmanager and the menu package. I believe this all should be easier than I'm making it... I'd just like the path of least resistance to a 2.4 kernel, and X11 4.1. And I'd also really like to get my SMC 802.11b card working so I can start using the laptop for things other than trying to install the OS. Peter's First Rule Of Computing: Break 1 thing at a time. Regards Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: 3D - Acceleration for Nvidia TNT 2 graphic card
On Sat, 2002-06-15 at 18:48, Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Christian Banik wrote: i'm using SUSE Linux 8.0 but i will install Debian 3.0 final . Nvidia offers RPM - Files for my graphic - card TNT 2 to activate the 3D acceleration. I've heard that the RPM system is not compatibel with GNU / Debian. What can i do? Thanks Christian . Install 'alien' which translates rpm to deb, among other things. Alternatively, install the relevant debian packages. I posted on how to do this earlier. Searching the list archive is an exercise left for the reader. Regards Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
RE: Problems installinf XFree 4.2 on Woody
On Sat, 2002-06-15 at 21:28, Ronald Castillo wrote: I've already tried that, but that way I can only configure my video card as a Generic VGA, and like that I can only use 256 Kb of video RAM (I have 2048 Kb), so it doesn't work for me... Have you tried doing XFree86 -configure and following the instructions? Regards Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Woody NVIDIA X Setup
on Wed, Jun 12, 2002, Ed Cogburn ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Bedford, Donald T. wrote: When I upgraded/build a new kernel, I had a problem w/ the nvidia driver and ended up changing back to 'Driver nv' (see step 6). Not optimal but it works... That's not really a solution, because all you're doing is returning to the old, limited nvidia hardware driver, nv, that comes with X11. The driver from NVIDIA is more optimized for the hardware than nv is. However, if you're not interested in 3D type apps like Quake, and you're only interested in a 2D desktop then you probably don't need the NVIDIA driver, and could get by with nv. I suppose the NVIDIA driver has better optimizations for 2D acceleration too, but it probably isn't a big enough difference to matter that much. If you want 3D acceleration though, and OpenGL support, you really have to use NVIDIA's driver, not nv. Agreed, in spades. However, I have noticed a substantial speedup, especially when dealing with things like solid window dragging, with the nvidia driver versus the nv one. For the benefit of previous posters who recommended a tarball installation of NVIDIA's driver there are debian packages, in woody, for the NVIDIA drivers - they're in the contrib/x11 section. Installation is straightforward: 1. apt-get the relevant packages (nvidia-kernel-src and nvidia-glx-src) 2. build custom kernel package with make-kpkg and --added_modules 3. install it 4. build and install the nvidia-glx package (dpkg-buildpackage) 5. Change the driver from nv to nvidia in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 6. Play Quake III as reward for all your hard work. 7. Make a mental note to rebuild the nvidia kernel module if you change kernels. I am aware that this sequence of events may be somewhat suboptimal (step 6 excepted) - at the time I was new to Debian and basically made it up as I went along. As the process as described Worked For Me I never really pursued doing it The Right Way, which I'm fairly sure this is not. If I had the knowhow I would write a script to do all this for you. Perhaps I should obtain that knowhow and do it... Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 pgp1zww8cius1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Problems installing woody
on Wed, Jun 12, 2002, Robert Ian Smit ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 05:01:31AM -0300, Francisco Fialho wrote: I`m trying to install woody ( Debian 3.0) at an ACER 4300 with Celeron 500 processor, 128 mem, and onboard video (SIS530/620) and network drivers(SIS900)... when I finished my first installation I could ping the local and external network just fine, but I cannot enter in graphic mode. I already did an apt-get install in almost all of the xserver-* that I found...:-/ You say you can't enter graphic mode. Error messages? System hangs? There is a metapackage for a workstation installation of X. It's called x-window-system. That way you won't have to figure out what packages to get. Also, you can re-run the initial configuration wizard by issuing the following command (as root): dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 In my N00bian days, I went nuts looking for that command - it's not mentioned when the x-window-system metapackage is installed :-) Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 pgpANBgJMglMY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Problems installing woody
on Wed, Jun 12, 2002, Francisco Fialho ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Peter, the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 command gave me the following output: Package xserver-xfree86 is not installed and no info is available. /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xsrever-xfree86 is not fully installed. then I went and did a apt-get install xserver-xfree86 and got the: Couldn`t find package xserver-xfree86... where can I get this package? xserver-xfree86 is the package that provides the actual X server binary itself and supporting files. The easiest way to obtain it, and all the other necessary packages, is to install the x-window-system metapackage: apt-get install x-window-system What x-window-system does is depend on all the appropriate packages for the basic X Window System installation. You'll then probably want to install a window manager or desktop environment of some sort. twm is functional but less than pretty. Personally, I favour GNOME. It would be much easier for you to install aptitude (apt-get install aptitude) and look at the tasks section there than it would be for me to enumerate all the packages you'd need :) Hope this helps Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 pgp1pq1NWFfas.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mozilla 1.0
On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 03:51, Oleg wrote:
On Tuesday 11 June 2002 10:12 pm, John Griffiths wrote:
My theory is that others experience the same (after all, it's just ones
and zeros, not weather forcasting), but everyone is afraid to speak up
for political reasons, since Mozilla is thought of as IE's competitor on
Windows.
End of troll. Dictated, but not read. YMMV IFF you are a lying SOB :-)
Oleg
running on windows 98 with 512MB on a celleron 400 I can tell you it's
faster stabler and better than anything else out there.
call me a liar at your peril
Tell you what. When you are in Linux, do this:
mkdir ~/test cd ~/test
for f in `seq 1 1000`; do touch ${f}.html; done
Notice that `ls` takes no time at all (At least under Linux w/ ext2)
Then start up your browser (Netscape 4.77 or Mozilla 0.9.9 in my case).
Type file:///home/you/test in location, time!
--My results--
Mozilla - 9 seconds 13 seconds
Netscape - 3 seconds 3 seconds
(I repeated the whole experiment twice for each browser, starting them before
and shutting them down after the experiment)
HW: K6-2 550 w/ 256 MB (Java disabled in Netscape. Don't know about Mozilla -
whichever way it comes on Woody)
BTW, starting Mozilla also takes a while : 21 seconds
One could argue that the real test for browsers is rendering remote web sites
with some text and some graphics in them, but as I mentioned, it's also been
my (this time subjective) experience that Mozilla is several times slower.
Feh. When Netscape 4.77 can do a fraction of the CSS that Mozilla can,
call me.
Until then it's a crufty memory-leaking slow-ass (just TRY loading a
huge thread on K5 or Slashdot with it) POS that randomly crashes on
complex layouts.
With dodgy CSS support.
Gecko is WAY WAY faster at drawing pages than just about any other
engine out there - maybe Opera beats it, but that's proprietary and
closed.
Netscape Navigator is history, and thank goodness for that.
Take care,
Peter.
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Re: Mozilla 1.0
On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 03:51, Oleg wrote:
On Tuesday 11 June 2002 10:12 pm, John Griffiths wrote:
My theory is that others experience the same (after all, it's just ones
and zeros, not weather forcasting), but everyone is afraid to speak up
for political reasons, since Mozilla is thought of as IE's competitor on
Windows.
End of troll. Dictated, but not read. YMMV IFF you are a lying SOB :-)
Oleg
running on windows 98 with 512MB on a celleron 400 I can tell you it's
faster stabler and better than anything else out there.
call me a liar at your peril
Tell you what. When you are in Linux, do this:
mkdir ~/test cd ~/test
for f in `seq 1 1000`; do touch ${f}.html; done
Notice that `ls` takes no time at all (At least under Linux w/ ext2)
Then start up your browser (Netscape 4.77 or Mozilla 0.9.9 in my case).
Type file:///home/you/test in location, time!
--My results--
Mozilla - 9 seconds 13 seconds
Netscape - 3 seconds 3 seconds
My system : p3 800, 256MB, ext3, IDE.
Timing: Mozilla 1.0 - 0.5sec.
Netscape - not installed.
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Re: Squid, Windows clients, RFC931, oh my.
On Sun, 2002-06-09 at 09:52, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you want is NTLM authentication. Unfortunately the current stable version of squid does not have support for it. I have built a squid 2.5pre5 .deb(binary) package with NTLM support that has been the proxy for ~150 users in my company for a few months now. You do know that the NTLM module is full of buffer overruns and sprintf vulnerabilities, and that exploits for it appear to exist? Remote root waiting to happen .. If this entire system was in any way visible from beyond the corporate firewall, it'd be a worry for me. As it is, it's entirely an internal matter. The authentication mechanism is, for me, just to make the log files look prettier. Regards Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Squid, Windows clients, RFC931, oh my.
On Thu, 2002-06-06 at 01:21, Mark Roach wrote: On Wed, 2002-06-05 at 14:34, Peter Whysall wrote: Here's the scenario. What you want is NTLM authentication. Unfortunately the current stable version of squid does not have support for it. I have built a squid 2.5pre5 .deb(binary) package with NTLM support that has been the proxy for ~150 users in my company for a few months now. If you want, I can send it to you, or you can compile from source yourself. there are a few caveats like making sure to set the correct location for nmbclient in the SMB auth helpers makefile. These are the config options I use: --prefix=/usr --datadir=/usr/lib/squid --libexecdir=/usr/lib/squid --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/man --sysconfdir=/etc/squid '--enable-auth=ntlm basic' '--enable-basic-auth-helpers=SMB PAM MSNT' '--enable-ntlm-auth-helpers=NTLMSSP fakeauth no_check' I also have a shell script that pulls down the members of my NT domain groups once an hour and dumps the user names into a usable-by-squid text file if you care to look at it. I'd be interested in both the deb and the script. Please feel free to mail them to me. Small question. How do you use the script's generated list of user names with Squid? Many thanks for your help Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Missing (kernel) modules
on Wed, Jun 05, 2002, Glen Lee Edwards ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I have Woody installed with the 2.2-20 kernel. I apt-get installed the 2.4.18 kernel for both k7 and i686. Both installed ok, but both hung on boot, stating that the root file system couldn't be mounted. As an experiment, I downloaded the latest stable kernel from kernel.org and compiled it. It compiled and installed fine, and boots fine, except that it's missing many of the modules I need, including all of the network modules I need for my nics. I've gone completely through the kernel configuration several times. They just aren't there. But they're included in all the dpkgs I've installed. What am I missing? Is there another source for modules other than the kernel tar ball? I suspect that it's not a module problem per se but rather the fact that the pre-built kernels use an initial ramdisk (initrd) and you haven't added an initrd=/initrd.img parameter to the appropriate line in lilo.conf. IIRC you need to put this parameter on the image line like so: image=/vmlinuz initrd=/initrd.img Of course, I reserve the right to be wrong but this is what fixed a similar error for me. Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 pgprS5Qv0nGxY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Squid, Windows clients, RFC931, oh my.
Here's the scenario. I have a Woody box running the Squid web proxy server, with the oh-so-nifty Squidalyser log analyser doohickey and it's working fine, serving Windows clients. The Boss is pleased. However there's a small fly in the ointment. Squid can look up RFC931 idents from clients. Squid can, with the aid of the smb_auth module (which is included in the Debian package) authenticate against a Windows PDC. I really really want to tie these two together. I want Squid to do Samba magic to get the username - or at a stretch, the NETBios name of the client box - and stuff it in the logs. I know there is a freeware ident server for Windows, and I know it works. What I'm trying to avoid is installing something on the thick end of 200 boxes just to get a username out. I've Googled. I've read the RFC. I'm all searched out. I can't find anything about this - but I have a sneaking suspicion that someone, out there, has already met this problem and has dealt with it with more fortitude than I. Ideas? Take care, Peter. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: font display problem in mozilla
On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 22:06, Hubert Chan wrote: I added this line: user_pref(browser.display.screen_resolution, 96); to my .galeon/mozilla/galeon/prefs.js file, and it seems to have fixed it. Maybe try fiddling around with the 96. (Mozilla has an entry in the preferences dialog to change this, but Galeon doesn't.) Positive result here - I did have it set to system setting, and flipping it to 96 has cured it for me. Thanks. Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Error Starting Apache Server
On Mon, 2002-05-27 at 20:07, Peter Holm wrote: I got this error after installing Apache Server: [Mon May 27 21:01:42 2002] [alert] mod_unique_id: unable to gethostbyname(conny) I have no idea what is wrong and how to fix it. /peterh Have you got functional DNS? Has the host conny got either a valid DNS record on a reachable DNS server that's in /etc/resolv.conf or else an entry in /etc/hosts? Regards Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Proble - XFree86 4.2 and ATI 3D Rage LT Pro
On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 00:24, allmail wrote: Dear Peter We have experienced a lot of trouble with the Debian distro in terms of establishing a GUI as well. Debian is not too bad as a server but is fairly woeful for the desktop at this moment. Our opinion is that there is a need to totally revisit X-Windows and possibly when this movement has gained a bit more momentum this serious impediment to getting Debian Linux to the desktop will be addressed. It seems to us that there is not only a problem with hardware detection but also the various graphics related routines are excessively demanding on processor power resulting in a slow machine. I'm not sure I know what you mean. I'm running XFree86 at such a rate here that I can play Quake III Arena (yes, on Linux) at 90fps at 1024x768x32bit colour. My PC is an 800MHz P3 with 256MB RAM, and a GeForce2 MX graphics card. No speed demon, but no slouch, either. The only problem I've found with Debian's XFree86 installation is that there's no hardware detection - other than that, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is one of the most sane and user-friendly methods of getting yourself cooking on gas that I've seen. I had extreme problems with a Dell GX240 - but this was because XFree86 4.1, that's shipped with Debian Woody, doesn't understand the ATI Rage 128 Ultra TF. XFree86 4.2 does. *This is not a problem in Debian*. Every operating system has hardware that is not *yet* supported. We found that Mandrake Linux is very good for getting a GUI onto difficult subjects such as laptops for example. If you use Mandrake, you will almost certainly achieve your objective of having Linux run on the Compaq. If you are very technical, you can then reverse engineer how Mandrake achieved this feat and copy the various drivers/config files across to Debian to get it to work. Good luck. Mandrake is...erm... *interesting*. And not in a good way. But that's beyond the scope of this list. I've got Debian Sid running on a truly horrible little laptop - the Acer Travelmate 508DX. All the hardware is supported - nasty NeoMagic graphics, nasty Intel I810 sound, nasty CardBus controller, the lot. And the amazing (or not, depending on your point of view) thing is that all this *worked first time*. Peter -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Comparing squid cache versus nothing
On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 05:24, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 03:03:26PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: I'd activate cache, flush it then run an automated pull of a slew of sites tried against both a proxied and unproxied session. You can get a list of sites (if you want to mirror your own behavior) from the squid cache logs themselves. And you could use Galeon's saved sessions feature for this. Damn, I was hoping for nice stats on both. I kinda wish there was a free tool for this. I use Squid with the calamaris log analysis thinger (as part , and I drive the whole shooting match with Webmin. Calamaris provides very comprehensive stats. Are you trying to prove something to someone or satisfy your own curiosity? Curiosity to see if its worth keeping squid duing a transparent proxy now that our broadband came up (we were stuffed on dialup for four days when the person in charge of getting everybody's share of rent and bill money forgot the internet bill; when I got the connction going again, everybody was like, Dude, it's like being able to breathe again!). My instinct is that it probably is worth it because your web browser will initially ask the proxy, which is presumably either local, or attached via LAN, rather than the remote server, which is over 56K. I don't have any hard numbers to back this up, though. Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Proble - XFree86 4.2 and ATI 3D Rage LT Pro
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 02:35, Russ Cook wrote: I have a Compaq Presario that I'm promoting from my kid's windows machine to my Linux machine (he got a new, faster machine). I tried installing the Debian X packages for version 4.1, but could not get it to run. I'm using a 3D Rage LT Pro. The sympton is that when I run startx, the screen goes black. It doesn't fault out and return to text mode - it just remains black. I've identified the window manager to use, and have tried changing the window manager. I've attached the XFree86 log file. I have XWindows successfully running on another machine, with a different video card. Can anyone help? Have you tried XFree86 -configure then XFree86 -xf86config whatever it called the resultant file as root? This was the only way I got XFree86 4.2 to talk sense to the ATI Rage 128 Ultra TF in the Dell Optiplex GX240 at work. Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 09:49, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 01:40:07AM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: Pity there's nobody on the list living in Napa serving the wine industry Or Oregon, for those of us who avoid sending money to California. I'm coming up with another reason to recommend Debian: what _other_ distro has 100+ post flamewars on beer? I haven't exactly been seeing a flamewar, this has been pretty civilised. You want a flamewar? Go read some of the stuff in alt.fan.furry. I don't even want to *know* what that newsgroup's about. *fbog* Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
OT: Paul Baloo Johnson, please email me
Paul, my ISP is blocking mail from your dyndns.org domain. Let me know where I can otherwise contact you to send you the details. Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Recommended tape backup software - tape vs disk
On Mon, 2002-05-20 at 06:22, Alvin Oga wrote: hi ya ron On 19 May 2002, Ron Johnson wrote: You and I must think on different scales... think its similar scales.. - different ways to skin the cat... - a tape is 40 - 80GB same as disks ... nowdays disks is always slightly higher capacity You're behind the curve. AIT3 and SDLT offer capacities of ~200GB per tape. - there was a time when a single tape had more capacity than a single disk... and better price for disk$$$/MB vs tape$$$/MB - in the old days... whan disks were expensive per GByte and tapes were comparably cheaper tapes would be better Tape is still cheaper per gigabyte. Can you get a 220GB disk for ~90 quid? - any argument for number of disks is equally applicable to number of tapes - tape library vs raid ... ( same issue here too ) - we had/have a bunch of Exabyte Magnum(?) drives ( $8K each ) a few years ago ... when 20GB disks was just coming out... but the tqpes was too slow... even with tar + buffer ... tape cant keep up for backing up xxxGB of data - went to disks for backup and never looked back since... You'll look back with regret when your disk-based backup system eats itself alive. Hard disks fail. Tapes might fail too, but they fail less often, and have less impact on the overall system when they do. Easier to replace, easier to obtain. If push comes to shove, I can get tapes from the local Staples. those tapes was good for 80GB or so... and we had 40 users at 20GB each... - i require 3 independent sources of backups 2 is minimum - - offsite is not important as much as in different buildings - - if a build burns down in a fire... that's what monthly backup is for take the disk and store it some place else ... --- if the disks is raid5'd ... give one disk --- to each of the CEO/CFO/CTO/foo/bar and no one user --- has all the data... no way for stealing corp secrets That's innovative, but impractical. - majority of stufff i do is across the ocean ... - - can't go around changing tapes... :-) - and even if the tapes was in my office... i still wont use it - as we all step away on weeekends and holidays and sick etc... - - i say a tape based backup fails the day somebody forgot - to change the tape... you lost yesterdays data - Depends. If you run two tape drives and have a tape jockey onsite to swap the tapes, you're OK. - out here... 50-100GB of data to play with per day per user ... - most of the generated outputs is not backed up since its easily regenerated by the spice programs... - when doing full chip layouts... we can get into 10's Terabytes of data... most of which i claim is worthless and constantly changing .. no pointto backup other than for archive and the lawyers to have a running history... A terabyte is 10 AIT-3 tapes. How many disks is it? - what cannot be lost is the schematics and simulation parameters all that (incremental) data is saved over 3-6 month periods... - each user pc has about 160GB of disks - wondering how to backup data/service on an OC3 line now... ( next project ... have fun backing it up... c ya alvin Believe me when I say that you're in a minority amongst sysadmins on this topic. 30 days worth of the 155GB database that I manage, plus the 40GB of flat files == 5.8TB 30 days worth of the 80GB database that I manage, plus the 20GB of flat files == 2.4TB 30 days of the 1.5TB disk space that my co-worker manages plus 200GB of flat files == 57TB. That's 65.5GB of storage, or 546 120GB ATA disks. The cabinets, controllers power supplies needed to run all those disks is _really_ expensive. (If you want them to be RAID5 secure, add, oh, 15% more disks, so that's 628 spindles!!) Yes. These are the kinds of numbers I came up with when contemplating a disk-based backup system for the system I work on which entails backing up circa 100GB a night. I need to keep long-term backups for a year, too. Last, but _certainly_ not least: If the machine gets destroyed (fire, etc), there goes a huge business. Can't happen? I managed an 80GB OLTP database in the WTC... There is NO WAY I'd allow an important production system without off-site tape storage. Werd to that, Ron. Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Install Debian for desktop
on Mon, May 20, 2002, Karsten M. Self (kmself@ix.netcom.com) wrote: on Sun, May 19, 2002, Jamin W. Collins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, 19 May 2002 14:33:21 +0200 Robert Ian Smit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know Debian is more difficult to install, but I hope I will benefit by learning a lot. As you've no doubt already experienced, the Debian install is text based. No fancy GUI. But other than that I can't say that the install was trully any more difficult than any of the other distros that I've tried. Having done several Debian and RH installs in the past four months, some curves: Other odd'n'ends. A good set of TrueType fonts (the set that Legacy MS Windows ships with somehow finds its way onto many GNU/Linux systems) is pretty much a necessity. Configuration can't get much easier than this: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/TT-XFree86-2.html At least on my unstable system, I just did apt-get install msttcorefonts. Regards Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 pgp9S29UWwq3y.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How to mount partitions on boot
on Thu, May 16, 2002, Tito ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi everybody! Where have I to put the command to mount a partition on linux boot? In /etc/fstab. For more information, man fstab (or for the pedantic, man 5 fstab). Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 pgpArWhcH32eu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: IRC
On Tue, 2002-05-14 at 16:47, Keith O'Connell wrote: Hi, I am curious to take a look at IRC, something I have never taken much interest in before. As I use exclusively Gnome, I was wondering if people could make a suggestion as to their favourite gnome based clients, that can be found in woody Anyone? The two best (by far) GNOME IRC clients are X-Chat and irssi-gnome. Take care Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Red Hat user shopping around
On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 07:39, Ron wrote: On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 01:18, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote: On Wed, 8 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote: [snip] - dpkg makes life easier than dealing with RPM. The dpkg isn't a complete bitch to deal with like RPM on the command line. You also have to make an effort to install two versions of the same package with dpkg, instead of it being the default behaviour like it is with RPM. I don't remember being able to easily install 2 versions of the same package. - apt makes life easier than dealing with... oh yeah, Red Hat doesn't have anything to resolve dependancies and download packages automatically. So apt is better than getting cozy with a bash prompt and rpmfind.net for a few hours. RH now has Red Carpet, which does something similar to apt-get, but I think you must go only to redhat.com. No choosing the fastest mirror. Not so. In fact, Red Carpet isn't part of Red Hat Linux, and you /can/ choose your mirror. It's a product from Ximian. The integrated update tool is called up2date, and /does/ automatically resolve dependencies. In fact, you can automatically resolve dependencies if you have the redhat-rpmdb package installed. RPM is a capable packaging system, with meta-packages, dependency resolution and all that good stuff. The real mystery is why Ximian are the only people who have chosen to leverage that. By the way, you can use Red Carpet on your Debian Woody system - it's package-manager agnostic. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: My ultimate linux box
On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 09:15, Tom Cook wrote: On 0, Vineet Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Michael Kahle ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020505 20:14]: Here are the specs: Case: Enlight Full Tower (EN-89020SX34) Power Supply: Enermax 550W Mainboard: Tyan Tiger MPX Processor: 2x Athlon MP1800's Ram: Crucial 1.5GB DDR PC2100 Registered Monitor: Viewsonic P255f Soundcard: Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum Videocard: ATI All-in-Wonder Radeon 8500DV 128 DDR CDROM: Plextor UltraPlex Wide or Some SCSI DVD player??? CD-RW: Plextor Plexwriter 12/10/32s Backup: I want a DDS-3 or DDS-4 tape solution... sugestions? RAID: Compaq 5304 128 Raid controller SCSI: Adaptec 2940W Controller Disks: 5 Compaq 10k Ultra 3 SCSI Drive Cage: Enlight EN-8720 Ultra 160 SCA Backplane Floppy: Teac Cooling: Any ideas? This is my impresseion also. In particular I wonder what use you could have for RAID 5, SCSI, tape backup, a Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum and an ATI All-in-Wonder on the same box. The first three are definite server-ware, while the last two (and maybe the DVD player) sound like you are building a home entertainment system. I once felt as though building a system of this order would make me the happiest man on earth. I never got around to it, but still feel fairly happy with my lot. If you want a server, ditch the sound, video and DVD. And maybe the flashy monitor - games don't go on a server. If you want a flashy games box, ditch the SCSI, the RAID, the water cooling, the backup, one of the processors, two thirds of the RAM and about half the rated power of your power supply. Actually, I'm not sure that a 550W PSU has enough grunt to drive all that kit - think 5 x SCSI disks, 2 X IDE devices, 2 X processors, Radeon 8500... That's a lotta thirsty lectrics. Don't forget the extra cooling he'd need for the disks. Another thing would be the noise - that's gonna be one loud box. With all them disks (10K RPM!) it'd be unbearable to have under your desk. All in all, it's a nice-on-paper setup, but you'd soon get sick of it in real life. If you were mad keen to spend that kind of money, I'd wander off to Dell or something and get something with three years warranty on it. Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Converting mbox - maildir
On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 11:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like you might be wanting to do a change of mail clients (apps)...Although I haven't tried it, Sylpheed is a mail app that is known to be able to convert between the two formats. Evolution can also do this. It does give you feary warnings about what might happen should you run out of disk space, so caveat emptor. Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Kernel 2.4.18-686 and PCMCIA woes
Fresh install onto a laptop that's seen kernel-image-2.2.20 and the corresponding pcmcia-modules-2.2.20 package working just fine with a 3Com 3C589 network card. apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-686 and kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-686, and the network fails to start with unresolved symbol isapnp_find_dev_blah where blah is some large number. A quick mooch around with Google seems to indicate that this error is a result of not having ISA PNP compiled into the kernel. As this is a relatively low-memory machine (32MB) I want to avoid a kernel compile if possible as it will take (from bitter experience) the thick end of 3 hours. Lather, rinse and repeat as I forget Option A to get thing B working. Is there a workaround for this? Is there a different 2.4 kernel that is known to work with PCMCIA? BTW, the reason I'm pursuing 2.4 is because I want to use ALSA to drive the sound card (cheesy Intel i810 thing), and I don't see a drivers package for 2.2 kernels. This computer is currently pointed at Sid, although that doesn't have to be the case. Regards Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Hauppage WinTV Go -- howto?
On Sun, 2002-05-05 at 17:44, Marc Wilson wrote: supported bt878 chips for ages. I have one and it's pretty much a pbj job: pbj? Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Kernel 2.4.18-686 and PCMCIA woes
On Sun, 2002-05-05 at 19:36, Tommi Komulainen wrote: On 2002-05-05 18:34 +, Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fresh install onto a laptop that's seen kernel-image-2.2.20 and the corresponding pcmcia-modules-2.2.20 package working just fine with a 3Com 3C589 network card. apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-686 and kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-686, and the network fails to start with unresolved symbol isapnp_find_dev_blah where blah is some large number. I had similar problem with 2.4.18-i386, only with wavelan card. The bug was already submitted to BTS, see http://bugs.debian.org/144613 . The suggestion from Brian Mays worked for me. That is, after removing the directory /lib/modules/2.4.18-686/pcmcia restarting pcmcia services worked just fine. I tried this, and it didn't work :( There's something wicked in my 2.4.18-686 PCMCIA stuff, though, because here's the errors I get when I do: /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart Shutting down PCMCIA services:. Starting PCMCIA services:/lib/modules/2.4.18-686/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/i82365.o: init_module: No such device /lib/modules/2.4.18-686/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/i82365.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.18-686/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/i82365.o failed /lib/modules/2.4.18-686/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/i82365.o: insmod i82365 failed Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters /lib/modules/2.4.18-686/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o: init_module: Operation not permitted /lib/modules/2.4.18-686/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.18-686/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o failed /lib/modules/2.4.18-686/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o: insmod ds failed Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters cardmgr. The wickedness comes from the fact that it should be using the 3c589 driver, not the i82365 one - and on inspection of the /lib/modules/2.4.18-686/kernel/drivers/pcmcia directory, there isn't one. I am heading towards thoroughly confused at a rate of knots :\ Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Kernel 2.4.18-686 and PCMCIA woes
On Sun, 2002-05-05 at 20:46, Tommi Komulainen wrote: On 2002-05-05 20:31 +, Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2002-05-05 at 19:36, Tommi Komulainen wrote: The suggestion from Brian Mays worked for me. That is, after removing the directory /lib/modules/2.4.18-686/pcmcia restarting pcmcia services worked just fine. I tried this, and it didn't work :( Doh, one thing I forgot to mention. After removing the directory I run 'update-modules' (like one should always do when messing with modules for running kernel.) See if things work after running 'update-modules.' They should, I think. The wickedness comes from the fact that it should be using the 3c589 driver, not the i82365 one - and on inspection of the /lib/modules/2.4.18-686/kernel/drivers/pcmcia directory, there isn't one. The driver, 3c589_cs, appears (dpkg -L kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18) to be in: /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/net/pcmcia Many thanks for all your help, but I'm no further on. I ran update-modules, tried to restart pcmcia, and got the same error. Hrumph. Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: OpenOffice.org Woody
on Thu, May 02, 2002, Jaye Inabnit ke6sls ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings: Has anyone been able to get openoffice.org (via the debs) installed and running on a Woody Intel box? Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org I'm running Sid. YMMV for Woody. That said, I've got a functional OpenOffice.org installation using the following source: # OpenOffice deb http://people.debian.org/~nidd/debian/ unstable/ Installs all nice like, then does the per-user installation the first time you run ooffice. Hope this helps. Take care, Peter. -- Hey! Where's my .sig gone? pgpmLnTxlDTTm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OpenOffice.org Woody
on Thu, May 02, 2002, Jaye Inabnit ke6sls ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings: Has anyone been able to get openoffice.org (via the debs) installed and running on a Woody Intel box? tia - -- I just noticed that you don't specify a version, and neither did I :-) The build I've got up and running is 638 - package name is openoffice. I've just this minute installed openoffice.org 1.0, but as I'm currently ssh'ed into my box I can't test it yet. I'll give it a whirl and let the list know how I get on. Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 pgp4bmyDlJ2Xf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OpenOffice 1.0 ,debs?
on Fri, May 03, 2002, Hans Gubitz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 12:48:34AM +0200, Stefan Bellon wrote: stan wrote: Does anyone know where I can get .debs for Openoffice 1.0? [EMAIL PROTECTED] grep office /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://apt-proxy.sourceforge.net/openoffice unstable main contrib deb-src http://apt-proxy.sourceforge.net/openoffice unstable main contrib Greetings, Stefan. bash-2.05a$ openoffice running openoffice setup... FATAL ERROR: required java version not found! OpenOffice.org could not be started - /home/gubitz/.openoffice/soffice is not available bash-2.05a$ Which java version? Where can I get those .debs ? Do you have any java at all installed? I've had no problems using the j2re1.3 Blackdown Java package. I use the following line in /etc/apt/sources.list: deb ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian/ woody non-free (All on one line - pesky line wrapping!) Hope this helps Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 pgpFmbsPREACR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OpenOffice 1.0 ,debs?
on Fri, May 03, 2002, Patrick Hsieh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hello Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED], Is there any sources.list for j2sdk 1.4 or j2re1.4? I don't know - but I'd like that, myself. Anyone know? Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 pgp88JnCg1wPP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Abiword font problem. SOLVED!
On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 07:22, Lars Jensen wrote: The problem seemed to be that xfs, the X fonts server, was installed. xfs apparently isn't needed when running XFree4?! That's true. If you load the freetype and type1 modules, and have the appropriate FontPath entries in XF86Config-4, you can do without xfs. However, if you do use xfs, you can dink around with your fonts without having to restart X itself - you only need to restart the X font server. I use xfs for this reason. Can anyone comment on whether using xfs incurs a performance penalty? I can't say I've noticed. Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: which pkg contains that file
On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 01:48:28PM +0530, Dayalan Manohar wrote: Hi, How does one find out which package contains a particular file/command so that it can then be installed using apt-get ?I want to install pico but apt-get install pico does not seem to work. Thanks, Dayalan Well, that's odd - it works on my sid system here. Does apt-cache search pico return anything useful? Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 pgpwVrxOETW9K.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: which pkg contains that file
On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 10:19:17AM +0200, Mark Janssen wrote: On Wed, 2002-05-01 at 10:18, Dayalan Manohar wrote: Hi, How does one find out which package contains a particular file/command so that it can then be installed using apt-get ?I want to install pico but apt-get install pico does not seem to work. Thanks, Dayalan AFAIK pico isn't packaged, since it is not DFSG free software. Apt-cache search something will usually find what you need. Pico might be found in the pine(4)-src package. Pico is in the non-free section, so if you're not using non-free, you won't see it. Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 pgpgJq0ufRYr7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: which pkg contains that file
On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 03:22:16PM +0530, Dayalan Manohar wrote: Peter Whysall wrote: Well, that's odd - it works on my sid system here. Does apt-cache search pico return anything useful? apt-cahe search pico turns up nano but not pico.I'm using woody. Regards, Dayalan See my other message about pico being in non-free. Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 pgpAbuH538yjJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: which pkg contains that file
On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 11:24:52AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 10:57:09AM +0100, Peter Whysall wrote: On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 03:22:16PM +0530, Dayalan Manohar wrote: Peter Whysall wrote: Well, that's odd - it works on my sid system here. Does apt-cache search pico return anything useful? apt-cahe search pico turns up nano but not pico.I'm using woody. See my other message about pico being in non-free. In sid, pico is not even in non-free, apart from the 'pine' source package which you have to build yourself. As I remember, its licence does not allow Debian to distribute binaries built from patched source, and patching the source slightly is necessary to get it installed in our conventional filesystem layout. Perhaps you have it built already, or perhaps you have a non-Debian source in /etc/apt/sources.list. Well, now I'm confused. The source for my information was the output of apt-cache show: peter:~ $ apt-cache show pico Package: pico Priority: optional Section: non-free/editors Installed-Size: 236 Maintainer: Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: i386 Source: pine Version: 4.44L-1 Depends: libc6 (= 2.2.4-4), libncurses5 (= 5.2.20010310-1) Suggests: spell Filename: sid/pine/pico_4.44L-1_i386.deb Size: 85042 MD5sum: 494c866ea4db3f98a5f5661b772b9c3b Description: Easy-to-use text editor found in Pine. Pico is the stand alone editor that provides standard file editing features found in any reasonable text editor. By providing on screen indicators for the features available, infrequent use does not require re-learning. The only non-debian apt sources I have are those for the au8830 drivers, OpenOffice, Blackdown Java, and Branden's XFree86 packages. I'm currently using ftp.de.debian.org for my Debian sources. Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 pgprUgww5chCG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: which pkg contains that file
On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 11:50:59AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 11:42:16AM +0100, Peter Whysall wrote: Well, now I'm confused. The source for my information was the output of apt-cache show: peter:~ $ apt-cache show pico Package: pico Priority: optional Section: non-free/editors Installed-Size: 236 Maintainer: Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: i386 Source: pine Version: 4.44L-1 Depends: libc6 (= 2.2.4-4), libncurses5 (= 5.2.20010310-1) Suggests: spell Filename: sid/pine/pico_4.44L-1_i386.deb That Filename: field definitely didn't come from the Debian archive. At some point I think you must have been using some other source. This repository seems to produce Filename: fields like that: deb http://www.braincells.com/debian sid/ Size: 85042 MD5sum: 494c866ea4db3f98a5f5661b772b9c3b ... and indeed the size and md5sum of the pico package you can get from that repository match. Many thanks for doing that bit of detective work - I must have a look at the braincells repository more closely, as I wasn't aware that they had a pico package. Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 pgplTOY9etpcL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ext3
On Sat, 2002-04-27 at 18:01, Ernst-Magne Vindal wrote: Hi I have just a simple newbee question about ext3. I have an old IBM box that I am running woody on a 2.2.20 kernel. I have just apt installed kernel-patch-ext3-2.2 wich is compatible with my kernel. I am just wondering about the right syntax for converting ext2 to -3. Is the syntax as simple as I think? tune2fs -j /dev/hdd3 or tune2fs -J /dev/hdd3? or somthing else? And then of course I need to edit fstab. The first one is right. And it really is as simple as running tune2fs and remounting. I love ext3, me. If it doesn't work, the really cool beans part is that you can remount as ext2 without changing anything. Take care Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Has anyone used the debian CD , which comes oreilly book
On Fri, 2002-04-26 at 07:20, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Wed, Apr 24, 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi, Has anyone used the debian CD , which comes oreilly book. Title of the Book is : Learning Debian GNU/Linux. By Bill McCarty Yes. Neither the book nor the disk are particularly good, though I managed an install from it long, long ago. The book is also online now, but can someone tell the version of Kernel present on the CD, which comes along with book. If the version is Kernel 2.4.17 based or later.Then I may buy the book for the sake of CD only. There are better sources for CDs. LinuxCentral and Cheapbytes are two that come to mind. UK users are probably better served by http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/ Also note that John gives away (i.e. you pay shipping, but that's all) old versions of CDs. You don't *need* to install from CD, and I've done a dozen or so Debian systems over a modem. However, the base2_2.tgz file is nice to have on CD - I had a severe bad floppy evening one night installing onto a laptop. I dd'ed the same four floppies for all the images :\ Take care Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Thread management in kmail
On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 10:16:59AM +0200, Thorsten Haude wrote: Hi, * Dougie Nisbet [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-04-24 09:59]: - Move to the next unread thread - Mark the current thread as read is there another mail client that would allow me to? The answer is Mutt, as always. Mutt is a fine text mode client, but some people like a graphical client. Personally I tend towards Evolution, but if you don't want to install a substantial chunk of GNOME infrastructure on your computer then it's not a runner. Depends: gtkhtml (= 1.0.0), libcamel0 (= 1.0.3-2), bonobo (= 1.0.19), bonobo-conf (= 0.14), e2fsprogs (= 1.27-2), gdk-imlib1, libart2 (= 1.2.13-5), libaudiofile0 (= 0.2.3-4), libbonobo-conf0 (= 0.14), libbonobo2 (= 1.0.19), libc6 (= 2.2.4-4), libcamel0 (= 1.0.3), libcomerr2, libdb3 (= 3.2.9-15), libesd0 (= 0.2.23-1) | libesd-alsa0 (= 0.2.23-1), libfreetype6, libgal19 (= 0.19), libgconf11 (= 1.0.7), libgdk-pixbuf-gnome2 (= 0.16.0-1), libgdk-pixbuf2 (= 0.16.0-1), libglade-gnome0, libglade0, libglib1.2 (= 1.2.0), libgnome-pilot1 (= 0.1.63), libgnome-vfs0 (= 1.0.5), libgnome32 (= 1.2.13-5), libgnomeprint15 (= 0.29-1), libgnomesupport0 (= 1.2.13-5), libgnomeui32 (= 1.2.13-5), libgtk1.2 (= 1.2.10-4), libgtkhtml20 (= 1.0.2), libkrb53, libkrb53 (= 1.2.3-2), libldap2 (= 2.0.23-1), liboaf0 (= 0.6.7), liborbit0 (= 0.5.15), libpisock4, libpopt0 (= 1.6.2-1), libsasl7, libwrap0, libxml1 (= 1:1.8.14-3), oaf (= 0.6.7), xlibs ( 4.1.0), zlib1g (= 1:1.1.4) Doesn't bother me (I'm a GNOMEie) but a KDE user may balk at installing that lot. - Ignore the current thread What do you mean by 'ignore'? I think that he wants to be able to automatically hide or mark as read a thread and any new replies to it. Annoyingly enough, you can do this in Outlook Express (Message-Ignore Conversation). I can't see this functionality in Evolution. Shame. Regards Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 pgpUOFHwJSd43.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bzip2 devel files
On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 11:14:14AM +0200, Raffaele Sandrini wrote: Hi there I need the bzip2 devel files for compiling KDE3 (CVS). There is only one bzip2 package in woody... I also don't see something like libbzip2. Is there a way to get them via Debian -- Are they in any other package included? or do i have to get them from the net manually? bash-2.05a$ apt-cache search libbz2 libbz2 - A high-quality block-sorting file compressor library - runtime libbz2-1.0 - A high-quality block-sorting file compressor library - runtime libbz2-dev - A high-quality block-sorting file compressor library - development Fair warning - this is a sid box. HTH Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Partitioning question?
On Wed, 2002-04-24 at 20:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've got a couple of linux boxes. Some with the standard recommended mount /usr /var /home, etc partitions. Some are with just one partion on the entire hard-drive. I'm considering changing the partioning scheme on one box to multiple partitons (i.e. one for var, usr, home, etc...) Some have more than one hard-drive, one box doesn't. My question is, Does it really make sense (i.e. is it worth the time and maintenance effort) to make multiple partitions on a disk? I'm taking into account the fact that disks are becoming bigger two-fold every year. Comments please;) On servers, yes - partitioning is a must. On home boxes, I'd consider splitting off /home but otherwise it's probably not worth doing unless you know why you want to. Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Adding kernel modules after install
On Sun, 2002-04-21 at 19:22, Ron Johnson wrote: On Sat, 2002-04-20 at 22:48, Osamu Aoki wrote: On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 11:34:38PM -0400, David Jackson wrote: All --- Hopefully a simple question. How do I add additional kernel modules after the initial install? It seems I forgot to add the modules for my nic and ppp? withour reboot: use insmod command. Or even better use modprobe command. with reboot: list all the modproble command arguments in /etc/modules Related question: how do you _compile_ extra kernel modules after the kernel is installed and running? Say, for example, David had forgotten to choose his nic during make *config. You could do your make (x|menu)config to select what you'd forgotten, then do: # make dep clean modules modules_install Disclaimer : this has worked for me. YMMV. If you're like me and have fallen under the spell of make-kpkg, you'd do this: make-kpkg modules Then you'd dpkg -r the resultant .deb file, paying close heed to all the warnings about installing a new same-version kernel over the old one. Again, this has worked for me. YMMV. Take care Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Adding kernel modules after install
On Sun, 2002-04-21 at 19:32, Pollywog wrote: On 2002.04.21 18:27 Peter Whysall wrote: You could do your make (x|menu)config to select what you'd forgotten, then do: # make dep clean modules modules_install You mean: make dep ; make clean ; make modules ; make modules_install ? Nope. As posted, is what I meant. You can feed all the targets to make at once. Disclaimer : this has worked for me. YMMV. If you're like me and have fallen under the spell of make-kpkg, you'd do this: make-kpkg modules I do make-kpkg modules_image is that wrong? I don't think so, but that re-makes the kernel too, which is a bit pointless if you're just adding a module for a NIC. I don't claim (nor should you think) that I'm some kind of expert on the kernel build process - this is just what has been observed to work for me whilst doing what the original poster wanted, which was to add a kernel module that had been forgotten. Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: weird font style
On Sun, 2002-04-21 at 20:14, Ilia Lobsanov wrote: What do you make of this photo? http://home.nurey.net/debian/weird_font.JPG ilia. HaVe j00 B33n H4c|z0r3d? Does stty sane help? Take care Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Adding kernel modules after install
On Sun, 2002-04-21 at 21:09, David Z Maze wrote: Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 2002-04-21 at 19:22, Ron Johnson wrote: Related question: how do you _compile_ extra kernel modules after the kernel is installed and running? You could do your make (x|menu)config to select what you'd forgotten, then do: ... If you're like me and have fallen under the spell of make-kpkg, you'd do this: make-kpkg modules That doesn't do what you think it does at all. Specifically, 'make-kpkg modules' attempts to build signed uploadable versions of kernel module packages that have their source unpacked under /usr/src/modules (or $MODULES_LOC, if that's set). Most people will want to use 'make-kpkg modules-image', which doesn't sign the modules. And in any case, this won't rebuild the modules that are built from the kernel source tree; you need to re-run 'make-kpkg kernel-image' for that. (It wouldn't hurt to bump the kernel revision number if you do this, though that might require you to rebuild all of your external modules, too.) Ah. The reason I did this is that I've got the NVIDIA and au8830 drivers as external modules that I build with --added_modules. One lives and learns. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Finding unused packages
On Fri, 2002-04-19 at 16:46, Gary Turner wrote: On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:59:34 -0400, Noah Meyerhans wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 03:00:34PM +0200, Matijs van Zuijlen wrote: Some time ago, I've read somewhere about a tool that can find installed debian packages that are not used, based on atime of files that belong to the packages. snip There have been several programs written to track down unused packages. The one I know of off-hand is 'deborphan'. I'm not sure if it's the standard or if there's a better one out there, though. deborphan looks for files that have no other files depending on them. As the op said, this is not what he is looking for. This non-hacker is thinking that a script that steps through the various /bin directories, checking and sorting the last access for each file would be what Marijs is looking for. For example, find -atime +30 -maxdepth 1 yields any file in the current directory that hasn't been accessed in the last 30 days. I would think the next step would be to see which package those long unused binaries belong to. This I leave as an exercise for the class :^) -- gt Everything here could be wrong--Messiah's Handbook--Bach Right, I think I'm *nearly* there... Here we go: find / -type f -atime +30 | xargs dpkg -S | sort | uniq old.txt There's an obvious problem - it hits up every file, regardless. I certainly haven't accessed a lot of the non-English localisation files on my system in like forever, and old.txt is a resultant 700K in size. What we need to do is tell find to only find files that have executable bits set, with the -perm switch - however, the following: find / -type f -atime +30 perm ugo+x | xargs dpkg -S | sort | uniq old.txt doesn't return anything. Can someone point out the staggering (yet quite invisible to me) stupidity I'm undoubtedly committing? Regards Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Finding unused packages
On Fri, 2002-04-19 at 17:46, Mike Dresser wrote: On 19 Apr 2002, Peter Whysall wrote: What we need to do is tell find to only find files that have executable bits set, with the -perm switch - however, the following: find / -type f -atime +30 perm ugo+x | xargs dpkg -S | sort | uniq old.txt doesn't return anything. Can someone point out the staggering (yet quite invisible to me) stupidity I'm undoubtedly committing? how about: find / -type f -atime +30 -perm +111 | xargs dpkg -S | sort | uniq old.txt Well, old.txt now contains the following: peter:~ $ more old.txt fdflush: /bin/fdflush Hmm. I wonder if that hasn't taken it from one extreme to the other... Will the nightly running of updatedb throw a spanner in the works? Take care Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: view output of process while
On Thu, 2002-04-18 at 01:05, Jamin W.Collins wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:22:18 + Rory Campbell-Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to log back into a machine over ssh and 'attach' to a running process so that one can see the output of, say, a kernel compile? I would think it would be easier to redirect the output (stdout and stderr) to a log file and log back in via ssh and tail the file (something like tail -f kernel-compile.log). If you run your task like this: $ nohup mytask Console output goes to a file called nohup.out, which you can then look at periodically with a pager or tail. Regards Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Adventures with ATI Rage 128 Pro and Debian Unstable
I decided to partition my work W2K machine (Dell Optiplex GX240 - 1.7GHz P4, 256MB, the aforementioned ATI Rage 128 thingy) and install Debian. Thought, Hmm, this is a nice modern machine. Should be a doddle. Ho ho. What a jape I was in for. Installation went fine, a little dance around because I'd neglected to install a kernel (was booting off Rescue) but I downloaded a kernel-image deb file on another machine, plonked it on a CD and installed it. Firstly, LILO wouldn't install. This was a pain in the bum, but not disastrous - once I'd made myself a boot floppy from my actually running kernel (kernel-image-2.2.20-idepci) it was tolerable. After all, one rarely has to reboot Linux during the installation process. Did some basic package-installation tasks - aptutils, aptitude, etc. Switched from stable to unstable, did a dist-upgrade (at which point I decided to snarf a kernel source package and the kernel-package package - mysteriously, when I installed my custom kernel package, LILO decided to work. Go figure.) And there the fun stopped. apt-get install x-window-system stuff Run xf86config (like I have literally hundreds of times before), pick my card off the list, away we go. No dice. No screens found. Eh? Cue much waffing about by me, twiddling various bits of XF86Config/XF86Config-4 (Yes, I had both :0). No screens found. Give up. Find a useful-ish page on Linuxnewbie.org that mentions the fact that although the ATI Rage 128 is supported, XFree86 4.1 doesn't detect it right, and you need to munge your XF86Config(-4) to fix it by explicitly specifying the r128 driver, not the ati one. No screens found. Sigh. I broke. I sinned. I downloaded the Linux binary distribution of XFree86 4.2.0, renamed /etc/X11 and /usr/X11R6 out of the way, ran Xinstall.sh, and it worked first time, giving me glorious 1280x1024x32bpp loveliness. A sort of choppy install of GNOME followed (I really want an virtual package or a task to do that for me, instead of my damn, forgot gnome-session, damn, forgot gnome-applets etc etc approach) but I'm cooking on gas. I'm not going to ask when 4.2 is going to be in unstable because the answer to that is when it is. What I /would/ appreciate is any clue on getting the Rage 128 to work with XFree86 4.1 so I can stay Debianized? (If I wanted to dink around with tarballs I'd run Slackware) PS. Anyone have any clues as to why the disk performance on this box is slow? This manifested itself on 2.2.19, 2.2.20, and 2.4.18. Very boggy at times. Regards Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Adventures with ATI Rage 128 Pro and Debian Unstable
On Fri, 2002-04-05 at 07:46, Kent West wrote: Peter Whysall wrote: What I /would/ appreciate is any clue on getting the Rage 128 to work with XFree86 4.1 so I can stay Debianized? If you're willing to try, I'd recommend copying your working XF86Config-4 file to a safe place, then remove your 4.2 version of X, reinstall Debian's X, and replace your working XF86Config-4. I'd estimate an 85% chance of success, maybe higher. Certainly worth a try - I'll have a bash at that. Easily done, too :) Thanks Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: To Debian experts
On Wed, 2002-04-03 at 21:02, Patrick Kirk wrote: Rather than recreate it, copy it from another machine. If it helps mine is attached. It won't match your system perfectly but it didn't match mine either when I copied it from another machine yet everything seems to work. That said, I _never_ use info as compared to Google its hard to find what you want. I don't like the info interface either, but if you don't mind running a local webserver, the dwww and info2www packages make a nice web interface to it - searchable, too. Regards Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: disable xdm
On Mon, 2002-04-01 at 19:44, Phil wrote: how can I disable xdm and boot into terminal mode. I prefer to use startx. The preferred method for this is to set initdefault to 3. Look in /etc/inittab for this line: id:5:initdefault: Change the 5 to a 3. As root, you can change runlevel to 3 by issuing telinit 3. If xdm still starts, check /etc/rc3.d for an xdm entry, and remove it if present. Regards Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: disable xdm
On Mon, 2002-04-01 at 21:07, David Z Maze wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: how can I disable xdm and boot into terminal mode. I prefer to use startx. 'dpkg --remove xdm' is the most straightforward way, if you're never ever going to want xdm. There's a potential problem with that, if you used the x-window-system task to install X: polonius:/home/peter# dpkg --remove xdm dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of xdm: x-window-system depends on xdm. dpkg: error processing xdm (--remove): dependency problems - not removing Errors were encountered while processing: xdm Regards Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: disable xdm
On Mon, 2002-04-01 at 21:35, John Hasler wrote: Peter writes: There's a potential problem with that, if you used the x-window-system task to install X: No there isn't. x-window-system is a meta-package that pulls in the components of the X Window System by depending on them. Once they are installed you can remove x-window-system with no effect whatsoever. Aha! That's cunning. Thanks for setting me straight - the fact that you can zap x-window-system (once you've got its dependencies on) isn't readily apparent. Regards Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[Fwd: Re: Re: Sound Problem]
-Forwarded Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PeterWhysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Sound Problem Date: 30 Mar 2002 13:04:57 +0100 Yes, it's a PCI card. The user doesn't matter because I'm root. From what I can gather this is an es1371 device - have you got support for that card in the kernel or as a module? Does modprobe es1371 produce anything useful in the output of lsmod ? Regards Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Fwd: Re: Re: Sound Problem]
-Forwarded Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PeterWhysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Re: Sound Problem] Date: 30 Mar 2002 13:30:03 +0100 It works with es1371. I first used sb because I thought soundblaster16 = sb16 = sb. Thank you very much! black.fish __ Die Nummer, die man nie vergisst: Ihre persönliche Wunschrufnummer von WEB.DE! Jetzt einsteigen http://freemail.web.de/?mc=990002 -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Galeon/Mozilla Java Plugin Problems (woody)
On Sat, 2002-03-30 at 15:32, Lee Bradshaw wrote: I've installed the blackdown java packages. Add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian/ woody non-free And then: apt-get update apt-get install j2sdk1.3 j2sdk1.3-doc-installer Worked a treat on sid. You rock. Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Fwd: Re: where are the woody iso files?
On Sat, 2002-03-30 at 16:15, Jerry T wrote: I tried installing Debian 2.2-r5 but my nvidia driver wasn't supported. I was hoping that woody would include the driver. I've been through the installation process (2.2-r5) a few times but it always hangs up towards the end when trying to access the video card . I have downloaded the nvidia tar.gz driver file. If woody doesn't contain my video driver, I was going to get Debian running in text mode and then install the driver and configure my video from there. As a newbie, I would prefer not to go down that road if there is an easier way. If you can live without hardware accelerated 3D, then the nv driver in XFree86 4.1 is perfectly sufficient. If you want accelerated 3D, you'll need to use the nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-src packages in non-free - you have to build a kernel module. I did this in conjunction with the 2.4.18 kernel source and kernel-package - the command line looked like this: make-kpkg --added_modules nvidia-kernel-1.0.2802 kernel_image modules. (your version number may change - check /usr/src/modules) I then installed the resultant .deb file with dpkg -i to get a new kernel. Last thing you have to do is edit your /etc/XF86Config-4: where it says Driver nv you need to say Driver nvidia And away you go! HTH Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Galeon problems (unstable)?
On Fri, 2002-03-29 at 03:05, Paul Smith wrote: snip tale of woe This is a bit brutal, but I had all sorts of problems with Galeon (going from 1.0 to 1.2) until I zapped my settings with galeon-config-tool --clean to thoroughly clean all the settings out, then reconfigured Galeon. Don't forget to save your bookmarks! Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: still stuck and no gnome anymore
On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 19:34, dave mallery wrote: gnome-core got good and stuck: apt-get install gnome-core Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 192 not upgraded. Need to get 0B/1440kB of archives. After unpacking 2396kB will be freed. (Reading database ... 56800 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace gnome-core 1.4.0.6-1.ximian.2 (using .../gnome-core_1.4.0.6-2_i386.deb) ... Unpacking replacement gnome-core ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-core_1.4.0.6-2_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/omf/gnome-core/fdl-C.omf', which is also in package gnome-help-data dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-core_1.4.0.6-2_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) and if i try to remove gnome-help-data, it fails likewise. gnome is gone. i am in sort of a double bind and removing any one is impossible. at a full stop dave Does apt-get install -f, then apt-get install gnome-core help? Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
