Re: Experiencing lockups
Robert Nicholson wrote: When running X , every time I go out to the kitchen and getting something to eat and come back the machines is locked up. The mouse pointer's no where to be seen. and it takes _several_ reports _even_ after a powerdown to get keyboard to work again at the login prompt. Very confusing. I was running in 24 bit mode if that matters. .27 kernel Very strange. Let's see: do you set APM in Bios? Or other power manager? What about if you disable all these stuffs? What applications are you running? What did you mean by it takes _several_ reports? -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Seak Teng-Fong E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bât 507 DRFC / SPPFTel: 33 (0) 4 42256125 CE / Cadarache Fax: 33 (0) 4 42256233 13108 Saint Paul lez Durance Cedex FRANCE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mount/unmount scripts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dale Scheetz writes: I use an entry in fstab to mount my DOS partition. You could do this with the CD as well except for the problem of removable media. I use a simple one line script to mount my CD. ^^^ What he wanted to say and one advantage of using fstab is that: instead of typing % mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /cdrom we just need to type % mount /cdrom as explained in CDROM-HOWTO. True, but if there isn't a cdrom in the drive at boot-up time, the cdrom drive won't mount 8-) That's why I created the scripts. -- -= Sent by Debian 1.2 Linux =- Thomas Kocourek KD4CIK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Seak Teng-Fong E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bât 507 DRFC / SPPFTel: 33 (0) 4 42256125 CE / Cadarache Fax: 33 (0) 4 42256233 13108 Saint Paul lez Durance Cedex FRANCE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some thoughts for Debian.
The previous writer (whose message wasn't included) doesn't restrict people's choices, he just suggested a 'core' distribution which gives us a basic choice while alternative choices are always available. I support his proposal, esp good for newbies. Take a newbie's point of view: the first time when one installs apps. for mail and one is given sendmail, mail, Mail, xmail, smail, pine, elm, xhm, et al, and every package says IT'S used for mail, what would he do? Doesn't he feel LOST? Do you think he knows they are CHOICES? I think he would just install EVERYTHING. Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: I disagree. From what I've read, the Debian charter doesn't stop commercial vendors or indeed anyone from making their own distribution based on Debian containing as few or as many packages as they want. So the Debian team doesn't really need to get involved in that. Yes the distribution is huge but until it overflows the 650 MB capacity of ^^ I hope we aren't going to repeat a similar error which Bill Gates committed before. For those who don't know what I am talking about, here's the famous quote from Mr. Gates: 640 Kb should be enough for everyone. Unfortunately, less than 10 years (or even shorter) his own sentence put him into troublesome: memory addressing limits. And thus his company made all those windows, emm386, himem; and other companys' ndos and 4dos, etc. That's ONE of the reasons why people leave DOS behind. Even though there might be blue laser double-sided optical disks in the near future which gives us 10 Gb or more, it doesn't mean we don't need to organise things properly, or else when thing gets too big to manage, it will be too late!!! Fundamental organisation is essential, don't you agree? a CD-ROM there is no need to needlessly restrict peoples choices. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Seak Teng-Fong E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bât 507 DRFC / SPPFTel: 33 (0) 4 42256125 CE / Cadarache Fax: 33 (0) 4 42256233 13108 Saint Paul lez Durance Cedex FRANCE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: diald question
Philippe Troin wrote: On Sat, 18 Jan 1997 11:30:33 +0800 Lu Jimmy Chenji ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: BTW, I installed Debian-1.2 base system and want to use FTP method to download more files. So I need to use diald. Diald doc tells me that in order to use diald, I must have SLIP devices in my kernel. How can I check if my kernel has SLIP devices? Secondly. is there any simple way to setup diald? Can anybody guied me? You don't have to run diald to use the ftp method. Only pppd. Actually, though that diald is not that hard to configure. You can insmod (or modprobe) slip.o, it should do the trick. To check if it's in the kernel, try a lsmod. Phil. -- In order to know what devices are compiled inside the kernel, try: cat /proc/devices FYI, you can try cat on other files in /proc as well. What they contain are obvious by their file names. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Seak Teng-Fong E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bât 507 DRFC / SPPFTel: 33 (0) 4 42256125 CE / Cadarache Fax: 33 (0) 4 42256233 13108 Saint Paul lez Durance Cedex FRANCE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD-ROM -- how to mount, etc.
Alexander Gieg wrote: Ooops, I've make a little mistake here. It's xlib6, not xlib. Never mind, xlib is almost a synonyme to xlib6 because very few applications nowadays still use X11R5 libraries. Or am I wrong? I use lilo, so I don't know the procedure. But all these cp, rm and ln, do you really need to do them manually? They don't seem to consist an orthodox procedure. For me, after make clean; make dep, I just need to make zlilo and everything will be in place: old vmlinuz is moved to vmlinuz.old, System.map is created, etc. I don't known this. I don't see this in the docs at the kernel source directory. Look at /usr/src/linux/Readme.xxx. In fact, as a newbie, one should learn the habit to read all the Readme and Install files immediately after unpacking source files (esp all the .tar.gz packages), at least the Install file. That helps a lot and reduce problems afterwards. Actually, some friends of mine are always complaining that there are a lot of things to read before we could do something. But the rest of us don't agree: we feel that if one doesn't have the patience to do this, which is the Unix way, one should turn back to the pnp Win95 system. Don't you agree? To read is a way to learn. How could we increase our knowledge without learning? I think that a best thing would be a single make kernel, for newbies, that would do *all* these makes in the correct order, only with some questions like: Do you want to keep your current kernel?, Do you want to create a new LILO entry to boot your previous kernel? and so on. First of all, I don't think compiling a tailor-made kernel is something for newbies, it seems too dangerous. By the way, I am still a Slackware Linux user. I join this group so as to learn the stability of Debian Linux before switching. One question: is there the loadlin package provided in Debian? This is necessary because make modules_install in kernel 2.0.27 doesn't remove the old modules if your previous kernel have the same version number. This can create problems... Another user had answered this for you. Take a look at his reply. ... Alexander Gieg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Seak Teng-Fong E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bât 507 DRFC / SPPFTel: 33 (0) 4 42256125 CE / Cadarache Fax: 33 (0) 4 42256233 13108 Saint Paul lez Durance Cedex FRANCE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cron.daily et al.
Paul Seelig wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, Jean Pierre LeJacq wrote: How about a (cron) job, that executed every time the machine gets booted and that checks when the cron jobs were executed for the last time. If these for were not executed for say two days (weeks, months) then they get executed regardless the actual hour, day, week of month. I second this. It is not so hard actually to change the time settings oneself. Every system administrator should be able to do so. and we are all supposed to be sysadmins, aren't we? Regards, P. *8^) So please give us a concrete solution. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Seak Teng-Fong E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bât 507 DRFC / SPPFTel: 33 (0) 4 42256125 CE / Cadarache Fax: 33 (0) 4 42256233 13108 Saint Paul lez Durance Cedex FRANCE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X windows
Rob MacWilliams wrote: I am running X using xdm. Is there a more elegent way to go to the full screen consoles than kill xdm. When I try to exit fvwm, on the middle button menu, it kills all my windows and restarts X with a new login prompt. Thanks Rob N9NPU Less is more; more or less. -- I don't quite understand your question, but it doesn't matter. Press Ctrl-R at login prompt. Is this what you want to know? -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Seak Teng-Fong E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bât 507 DRFC / SPPFTel: 33 (0) 4 42256125 CE / Cadarache Fax: 33 (0) 4 42256233 13108 Saint Paul lez Durance Cedex FRANCE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How can I get my 3 button serial mouse to use all 3 buttons
Stan Brown wrote: I just goat a new (cheap) 3 button mouse, proudly pluged it in, ent to /etc/X11/XF86config and commenred out the Emulate3Buttons. Ubfortunately the middle button still doesn'y wrk. What else should I try? Shouldn't you reconfigure XFree86 by running the xfconfig programme rather than changing the config file, XF86config, manually? Don't forget this trivial advice: make a backup of XF86config. If the programme isn't xfconfig, it's something like that (sorry, I'm not in front of my PC at this moment, so I forgot its name). -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Seak Teng-Fong E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bât 507 DRFC / SPPFTel: 33 (0) 4 42256125 CE / Cadarache Fax: 33 (0) 4 42256233 13108 Saint Paul lez Durance Cedex FRANCE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
Boris D. Beletsky wrote: Todd On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Todd Graham Lewis wrote: Todd Todd On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Boris D. Beletsky wrote: Todd Todd Linux is great but thouse are NOT linux only things. Todd Todd OK, you're right, these are features generic to gnu-ish shells like bash Todd and zsh which receive their greatest exposure through Linux. [t]csh has fg,bg stuff built in. And tcsh isn't gnu-ish borik P.S that diesn't mean that linux isn't great :-) One more thing: ^Z, bg, etc existed before Linux. And I don't imply that Linux isn't great either ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Seak Teng-Fong E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bât 507 DRFC / SPPFTel: 33 (0) 4 42256125 CE / Cadarache Fax: 33 (0) 4 42256233 13108 Saint Paul lez Durance Cedex FRANCE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
About Netscape
Brian C. White wrote: I don't know if netscape can handle more than 8-bits of color. Of course, if X is running with 16 or 24 bitplanes, netscape will get all colors that it asks for. Yes, netscape can run under highcolor and truecolor. By the way, does anyone of you know how to play sound under netscape. It seems that netscape is compiled without sound driver, and Netscape Inc. doesn't seem to provide support to Linux version netscape. I've read most of its html pages on support but got nothing useful on this issue. Or did I miss it??? I use fvwm without any problems. I use fvwm95 and everything's fine. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Seak Teng-Fong E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bât 507 DRFC / SPPFTel: 33 (0) 4 42256125 CE / Cadarache Fax: 33 (0) 4 42256233 13108 Saint Paul lez Durance Cedex FRANCE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Running programmes under Linux
I want to know if it's possible to run binary from other PC Unix system under Linux, for instance, some SCO UNIX X win applications under Linux. Do we need to build a library for that? Or even an interpretator? -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Seak Teng-Fong E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bât 507 DRFC / SPPFTel: 33 (0) 4 42256125 CE / Cadarache Fax: 33 (0) 4 42256233 13108 Saint Paul lez Durance Cedex FRANCE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD-ROM -- how to mount, etc.
Alexander Gieg wrote: I don't know how to use CD-ROMs, because I don't have one, but message hca: CD-ROM CDR_S16, ATAPI CDROM DRIVE seems to say that the device is /dev/hca, and not /dev/cdrom. Try: mount -t isofs /dev/hca /cdrom I think isofs is the correct file system type. If not, see the mount manual page. That's iso9660. Well, Linux is a little more complicated to configure than a simple config.sys file like in MSDOS. *If* the drivers that you don't want are compilated as modules, then you can edit the file /etc/modules and comment them with #. But *if* they are hard compiled in kernel, you need to compile a new kernel by yourself. You'll need these packages: gcc cpp binutils bin86 tk40 tcl74 xlib libc5-dev ncurses3.0-dev kernel-source-2.0.27 tk40-dev tcl74-dev When *all* of them where installed, go to /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.27 and do: make menuconfig and select what your kernel need, then, do: make dep make clean make zImage when all is finished, do this: cp /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.27/arch/i386/boot/zImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.0.27 cp /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.27/System.map /boot/System.map-2.0.27 rm /vmlinuz rm /System.map ln -s /boot/vmlinuz-2.0.27 /vmlinuz ln -s /boot/System.map-2.0.27 /System.map I use lilo, so I don't know the procedure. But all these cp, rm and ln, do you really need to do them manually? They don't seem to consist an orthodox procedure. For me, after make clean; make dep , I just need to make zlilo and everything will be in place: old vmlinuz is moved to vmlinuz.old, System.map is created, etc. then do this: mv /boot/modules/2.0.27 /boot/modules/old-2.0.27 and then: make modules make modules-install when all is done, run: lilo and you can boot your system, with your new kernel. If the kernel is not what you want, do these commands again, to make a new kernel. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Seak Teng-Fong E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bât 507 DRFC / SPPFTel: 33 (0) 4 42256125 CE / Cadarache Fax: 33 (0) 4 42256233 13108 Saint Paul lez Durance Cedex FRANCE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
