linking to scripts
Hi, I've written some scripts for a program and encountered a problem which I'll try to explain simplified. Let's assume that my program is in the directory /progpath/ and I have 2 scripts in /progpath/scripts/. script1 calls script2 and I call script1 from /progpath/data/ because this is the place for the data the scripts should operate on. The problem is, that when i call script2 with ./script2 in script1 he will not find script2, because I called script1 from /../data/ where he tries now to find script2. I know, that I could call script2 from script1 with ../scripts/script2, but that's not very nice, because then, there are errors when i call script1 from any other directory :-). What do you suggest me to do? I'm new to linux and don't understand all the linking stuff. But could I include my scripts in PATH in order to execute them with simply writing e.g. script1 as it is possible with all the programs in linux? And how would I do that if this would be a good solution? Or is my partitioning into /scripts and /data a bad idea at all? How would you partitioning the files then? Thank you for helping me! Greetings... Silvan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Scripting
Thank you very much! Everything works fine now :-). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Scripting
Hi, I've started to learn scripting in linux. But I have some troubles understandig the redirection of the streams. I tried to test whether a directory already exists using the ls command (didn't find a bether solution) and whenever ls doesn't find such a directory it writes an error to the error-stream (I think) which still occurs on the shell calling the script if I pipe the output of ls in the script to another program. Another example I had, was when I tried to compile a latex-file in a script. How can i prevent it from writing compiling-informations to the shell which started the script? I'm sorry if this are newbie-questions, but... I am a newbie :-). And I really have red a lot of guides, but there are so many informations out there... Greetings... Silvan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Memory Management in Linux
Hi, Can anyone give me a link to a guide which introduces into memory management? I need to understand expressions like rss, sz, shared memory, memory leak, core image of a process, data section, kernel stack, virtual size. I've googled a lot and have red the man page of ps. But it seems as most of the information out there expects me to know the basic stuff above. I only found this picture: http://www.phptr.com/content/images/chap3_0131429647/elementLinks/03fig01.jpg and an explanation to it, so you can expect me to understand these things, but nothing more. My goal is to write a script to monitor the memory-usage of a program and to detect memory-leaks using the ps-command. How would you detect memory leaks with it? Greetings... Silvan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Memory Management in Linux
Thank you for this fast answer. Let's forget the thing with the memory-leak for a moment. I'm more interested in understanding the memory management. Does anyone knows a guide which introduces me into the meaning of the expressions I mentioned in my first post? Greetings... Silvan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
no joy with external USR modem
The modem was working fine, and isn't very old. I set up a Linux box for a guy across town. I threw an ethernet card in and plugged the machine into my LAN to do a net install. All was well until I took it back over to try to futz around getting the thing to dial AOL for him. I'm not sure how the AOL thing (penggy) will go, but I'm not even past step one yet. No contact with the modem. I'm trying the terminal button in KPPP, just trying to establish contact with the thing for starters. COM 1 is definitely enabled in BIOS, I don't see any IRQ conflicts, etc., but KPPP keeps reporting that the modem is busy. There's no setserial on the box. I'm wondering if maybe the net install just glossed over something because it found a DHCP server at install time? What are the chances the COM port is actually bad? What else can I look at? I've dealt with modem problems before, but never anything quite like this. I'm stumped. I need to figure out what I need to throw on a CD before I drive back over there. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get dist-upgrade Question:
On Friday 08 October 2004 12:18 pm, Eric Dickner wrote: For my modem-connected machine it is a ginormous download, some 500 Meg... Painful, innit? I did that when I upgraded from Woody to Sarge. Will I, or some kind of disconnnect at the ISP, ruin the whole thing? Can I then issue the command again and will it recognize the packcages it already got? I used to apt-get dist-upgrade --download Or something like that. Check the man page for the syntax. There's an option to just download packages. You can run it on successive nights until you get everything, and then you can sit down and handle answering all the inevitable installation questions at a time of your choosing afterwards by running a regular apt-get dist-upgrade. Is this just a bad idea to try over a modem connection? It sucks, but it works fine. I did it that way for around a year, and I did at least two gigantic 40-hour download marathons in that period. The only big problem is if you spread this out over too many days, sometimes the package you're trying to get no longer exists, so you have to update and then start over with potentially newer versions of all kinds of things. (If you do this a few times, and then get cable later, you will be absolutely disgusted at how fast it is. These 500 MB upgrades take about an hour, including answering all the questions and actually installing everything.) -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Advice needed to speed up very slow machine (conclusion)
Thanks all for the comments and suggestions. I'm sure my client thanks you too. Linux, Debian, and all the others who contributed to open source software have given this lady her window to the world in her meager mobile home in the backwoods environment. Kind of nice timing coming back upon this thread. I was starting to feel sorry for myself having to solve your kind of problem on a 350 MHz box, but it's a screamin' demon by comparison, isn't it? Same kind of situation. In my case, the guy has been collecting computers people have given him after they upgraded, and he has about a dozen, ranging from an old XT to a screaming P-133. None of them boot. I'm scraping together enough pieces to try to get an X terminal out of one, and I'm going to take that and give him my 350 MHz X terminal in trade. Best I can do without one of us spending money we don't have. I'm brk3 too. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Good tool for light photo editing?
mogrify is part of the ImageMacik suite... mogrify -geometry 480x320 example.jpeg Or just good ol' display foo.jpg with its handy dandy little mini GUI. You can do quite a lot with it without having to futz with the GIMP. The GIMP is worth learning though. I used to absolutely despise it, but now I grok it pretty well. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OpenOffice 1.1 spelling checker broken?
On Wednesday 29 September 2004 11:10 am, Henry House wrote: I just upgraded openoffice to the Sarg version. Now the spelling checker is completely broken---every word is flagged as misspelt. This output appeared on my console: Did you miss installing the dictionary file maybe? I had to install some weird myspell stuff think. myspell-en-us Can anyone help me? It the package just broken or do I have a configuration problem? It also looks like your packages are newer than mine. Odd, since I'm running Sid. I haven't upgraded in awhile though, and one reason I have put off upgrading is because there are outstanding bugs with OpenOffice, and it's a mission-critical app for me. Anyway, I'm just saying broken packages are definitely not out of the question here. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can only print one document
I am currently running a 2.6.4 kernel on the box with the HP 3330 (connected over usb), but I don't recall any differences with kernel lpr file.ps it prints fine and the queues are empty. If I run lpr file.ps again the printer says Printing Document but nothing happens. Sounds similar to a problem I had/have. Mine would eventually print a timeout error from the PS engine in the printer (don't recall the exact Just to throw this out... I've had similar problems out of a completely unrelated USB printer. First print is fine, then for some random reason, every subsequent attempt to print results in the document sitting in the queue forever. Upon investigation, I find CUPS has disabled the printer because of a communications problem. It seems to be some kind of USB problem. My solution to this was to cook up a script to restart hotplug then CUPS. That almost always gets it going again. Sorry if this was a completely worthless suggestion. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VIA sound problem
If I start arts with alsa support the only thing I get is sound gibberish (the testsound starts, the first 0.25 second are played and repeatet for about 20 seconds and then it advances to the necht 0.5 seconds). I thought compiling and running sendmail was the real test for an admin... OK, I've had a look at that box. It's running ALSA. The kernel is a 2.4.26 I patched up for Wacom graphic tablet stuff and compiled a few months ago. She runs noatun and XMMS on it, and those are the only players I know for sure work. She does *not* run arts. (Sound in kbattleship is not worth all the hassle of trying to get that stupid thing to coexist with the rest of the world.) That's what I know is possible with this VIA thing. Anything else you get out of it is between you and your computer. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Needs help with Kernel upgrade
On Saturday 25 September 2004 04:16 pm, Bruce DeGrasse wrote:
missing hda6 hdb1
hda: 12594960 sectors (6448 MB) w/512KiB Cache, CHS=13328/15/63, UDMA(33)
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1[EZD] p2
It isn't finding the sixth partition. I'm not sure what [EZD] means.
hdb: set_drive_speed_status: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hdb: set_drive_speed_status: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
hdb: max request size: 128KiB
hdb: 1667232 sectors (853 MB) w/64KiB Cache, CHS=1654/16/63, BUG DMA OFF
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0: p1
That doesn't look encouraging. It also fails to come up with DMA enabled, and
it looks like maybe the kernel is reporting this as a bug.
It *is* finding the first partition, so it seems it ought to be finding hdb1.
I would imagine that the reason it isn't has something to do with those
set_drive_speed_status errors.
If kernel 2.4.x works, I'd say this might be kernel bugs or kernel
incompatibility with your hardware. I'd recommend that you go back to the
old kernel.
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Re: partition second hard drive
On Saturday 25 September 2004 04:02 pm, Douglas G. Pollard Sr. wrote: hda: Maxtor 6E040L0, ATA DISK drive hdb: Maxtor 88400D8, ATA DISK drive /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: [PTBL] [4998/255/63] p1 p2 p5 /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0: [PTBL] [1021/255/63] p1 Looks like it should be no problem to cfdisk /dev/hdb and go from there. Are you sure you tried that? (ie not hdb1 or whatever) Unless you have a corrupt partition table or some other weird going on. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: weird constant hissing sound coming from one speaker
So looks like only that user's some config file that gets read when the user logs in to KDE is the culprit. Ideas? It is, but damfino what it is. I posted about a similar problem. Actually the same thing. IEC958 Optical Raw Playback, right? I got a lot of people throwing out random and ultimately useless suggestions, but nobody had a clue where this is really coming from. I haven't been able to figure it out myself. My solution was to fix the mixer, then do an alsactl store 0, then copy /var/somewhere/asound.state to make a copy of what it looked like with the mixer working. Whenever something goes awry (like right after any of my users log in) I can just click an icon to run a script to copy that back over and run an alsactl restore 0 to fix everything. I'm sure there is a more tidy way than this ugly hack, but at least it works the same way every time, and I have found a way to live with this mysterious KDE flummy that keeps screwing everything up. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Advice needed to speed up very slow machine
decided to rebuild this older computer for her and put Debian GNU/Linux Sarge on it, figuring it might be less work for me in service calls ;-) It'll probably work too. My boss's daughter has only called me twice in monnths. Both times because something went wrong (probably user error), and she had to fsck the disks manually. In all this time, that's *it*. Hooyah, that beats the hell out of supporting Windows, let me tell ya. I have no useful suggestions improving speed though. I was stuck on a 233 MHz box for awhile, and I kept all my resource hogging KDE goodness anyway. I really like KDE, and I didn't want to change the way I did things just because it was a slow box. I lived with the speed, which sucked, rather than try to find some lightweight alternative. I'm just that much of a KDE fanboy I guess. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BIG mail box...
Ps - there is abount 4000 mails in the box... OK, I'll bite, since you already have a real answer anyway. I'd say I have a BIG mail box, and you only have an itty bitty one. It's 223 MB and I count around 11,400 messages. Do I win? -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sharing a printer with windows
On Tuesday 21 September 2004 01:17 am, Christian Benito wrote: I have small network, two windows 2000 boxes and a debian box. The two windows machines share a laser printer that is attached to one of them. I'd like to be able to print from the debian machine too. Can anybody give me a pointer on how to get that working? Remove any eyeglasses, hats, caps, earrings, etc. Now place your forehead flat against any nearby wall. Pivot your body back at the waist a bit, then slam your head forcefully into the wall. Repeat this until you either lose consciousness, or you decide you don't want to try to get Linux to print to a Windows printer. :) (It can be done in theory. If you can find a set of instructions that will actually get you there, you should turn around and go buy a lottery ticket while you're at it. You'll probably win big.) (As a disclaimer, I should add that my own experiences were probably tainted by the particularly obscure nature of the printer I was trying to get working in this fashion. Obviously the instructions I found were an afterthought, extrapolated from other, related instructions, with a lot of probably and this might work and try doing it like this thrown in.) -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VIA sound problem
On Thursday 23 September 2004 04:07 pm, Carl Fink wrote: I apologize if someone has already posted this, but I find that on reboot, the alsa mixer ends up muting random things, including the PCM volume. I've had this problem too, with different hardware. I twiddled the mixer how I wanted it, and then did an alsactl store 0 to save the mixer at that state. Then I kept a copy of the resulting /var/somewhere/asound.state file. Occasionally (probably when I reboot, maybe? I reboot rarely...) the mixer (and the asound.state file) gets borked again, so I copy the good version back and alsactl restore 0 There's probably a more elegant way than this using ~/.somedotfile or some such. I'd probably figure it out if I had to deal with this problem more often. This works though. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Intel 82845 Video?
On Wednesday 22 September 2004 09:34 am, Robert Harris wrote: I'm trying to configure X on a Debian-3.0 Stable system. I just got a new IBM workstation which has an Intel 82845 video card. Anyone have any ideas what the driver name and Vendor name for this booger would be? This would be a good time to upgrade to something more recent than Woody, methinks, or maybe grab some backports of XFree86 4.3.x if they're available. It's the easy road. Section Device Identifier Intel i845 Video Driver i810 VideoRam8192 EndSection -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VIA sound problem
On Tuesday 31 December 2002 07:05 pm, jochen wrote: Alsa recognizes the soundcard, after doing a modprobe via82cxxx_audio I can play sound as root. The problem is that I can only use mplayer to play sound, and mplayer hangs after playing the file for several seconds (it also hangs when quitting the application while playing) If I use xine then it plays the video part put the sound hangs. What's wrong? I don't get it. Is there a known problem with that driver? No. AFAIK ALSA is ALSA. I've got a box under my umbrella with one of those VIA things in it, and it works fine. Are you running aRts or esD or some other sound server? That would be my first suspect. Some kind of sharing problem. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: minimal installation questions
1024x768, it seems to be fast enough). Even doing just this seems to take up about 235 MB according to df -h. I'm guessing there's far more installed than I really need. Thanks in advance for any help with this matter. In spite of the rant you just got about how ultra-minimal the basic net install install is, it's probably not ultra-minimal enough. I've got a box that's just the net install plus X plus enough other bits to run JACK and qjackctl (QT program) and it weighs in at 450 MB. If I were trying to get it down, I'd start trying to get rid of these packages I've weeded out here. Some of them will be dependencied up to the point where they can't easily be removed, suredly, but this is where I would start. (Your mileage will vary slightly, obviously.) You probably don't care about getting mail from the kernel on this box, so you don't need an MTA (if you can get by without one; I'm not quite sure) so you coudl get rid of exim4. You can probably live without power management stuff, so dump acpid. You don't need sound (right?) so you don't need ALSA or the ALSA kernel modules (for 2.4 kernels) or any of the ogg vorbis, MP3, audio codec whatnots. You damn sure don't need a compiler (*). You don't need CD ripping/burning/ejecting stuff, so you can scrap cdparanoia, eject, cdrecord and friends. If you configure the hardware by hand, you don't need hotplug (unless you have USB stuff on the box) or discover (boot time hardware detector/configurator). You don't need both mawk and gawk, both nano and vim, both lilo and grub. Pick one. You don't need more than one kernel. You don't need PCMCIA stuff, or modules. If you're not on dialup or DSL, you can dump all the ppp* garbage completely. You can probably get rid of the locales pacakge, since you only need C. You won't much care about the logs, and might even keep them on a volatile disk, so get rid of logrotate. You don't need tasksel of dselect unless their removal would fundamentally break apt. You don't need to run xfs. That might get you there. I'm not actually going to remove all that stuff from my box, but that's about what's on it that I would dump if I were looking to squeeze it waaay down. (*) Maybe I don't have a compiler after all. There's a gcc-3.3-base package that's deeply entrenched: box2:~# apt-get remove gcc-3.3-base [snippy] You are about to do something potentially harmful To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' Whee. I guess I need that, huh? (Wants to take down apt, initscripts, and the kitchen sink, but it would save me 158 MB to get rid of all that stuff. :) -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Build Kernel Error
line 1 dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package make: *** [stamp-buildpackage] Error 1 Have i done something wrong? Probably, but the real question is whether you ended up with ../*.deb or not. I get some kind of funky error like that (don't have an example handy, it might actually be the same error) and it terminates with exit status 1, but the resulting packages have always worked just fine. I'm sure I'm missing something, but whatever it is doesn't seem to be critical. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Keyboard occasionally nonresponsive on bootup with Debian Sid
On Sunday 19 September 2004 06:30 pm, Stefan O'Rear wrote: To enter text into the terminal, open up a file using your destop (like say /etc/passwd), select one letter, then middle click in the terminal. Will be slow, should work. At first this whole post left me baffled, and wondering what kind of funky substances you might have been ingesting. Then I realized how clever that is. I wonder if I would have thought of that? I'm afraid I might not have. Another idea for an easy place to get letters. Try (if you have it installed) running KCharselect or the GNOME equivalent. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uname problem??
On Saturday 18 September 2004 12:32 pm, Eddy Parris wrote: Ah ok, sorted dunno wat it was but i dl'ed the coreutils deb file and reinstalled it with dpkg, seems to have fixed the problem... i wonder wat it was though? very odd! nevermind.. its sorted now and im happy :P I was thinking it might be some freaky /etc/alternatives corruption. I guess we'll never know though. I *doubt* it was filesystem corruption. Possibly, but my experience with filesystem corruption has been that once something gets to the point where one command is running as though it were another, you cd into a directory, and it's not there anymore, and then the kernel crashes, and it's tango sierra for the filesystem, do not fsck, do not pass go, do not collect $200. I think it was an early ext3 bug that caused that in my case though. That's why I still won't run ext3 to this day. Anyway, I guess it doesn't matter anymore. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Noteedit
On Saturday 18 September 2004 06:39 am, Roy Pluschke wrote: To those that are interested I noticed that noteedit has found some people to take over the project see http://developer.berlios.de/projects/noteedit. I'm hoping this will mean that debian will continue to package it in future releases. I can't see why they wouldn't anyway, really. They still package the ancient predecessor to the modern Rosegarden, and that code line has been abandoned for seven years. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Noteedit
On Saturday 18 September 2004 08:46 am, Silvan wrote: On Saturday 18 September 2004 06:39 am, Roy Pluschke wrote: To those that are interested I noticed that noteedit has found some people to take over the project see http://developer.berlios.de/projects/noteedit. I'm hoping this will mean that debian will continue to package it in future releases. I can't see why they wouldn't anyway, really. They still package the ancient predecessor to the modern Rosegarden, and that code line has been abandoned for seven years. I should add, I'm happy to see someone picking it up for the sake of the application itself. I didn't mean to sound so ambivalent about its development. (I am pretty much ambivalent about its development, but then again I'm a Rosegarden developer after all. I'm ambivalent about MuSE, GNOME and the color orange too, but I would take no joy in the world losing these choices.) -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Differences between binary images and compiled kernels
On Thursday 16 September 2004 08:41 am, Eric Dickner wrote: --- Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not enough information. Thanks for you time! I didn't want to get too specific in case there was a general and simple answer to this situation (getting an old configuration from a binary install to work). I don't remember if I ever responded to this? Did I? (I haven't been getting much sleep lately.) questions I get the new kernel to compile properly but it boots up with radically logs. MOST things work, Configging a kernel is an arduous process of booting and then figuring out what you got wrong. It's a pain in the ass. I have that T-shirt in spades. In fact, I had a need to do up a custom kernel recently, and I only made it to the third configure/compile/install/lilo/reboot phase before I said the hell with it and decided I didn't have as much need after all. That was starting with someone else's config too. There are a million little things to get wrong. Starting with a known good config from two kernel versions ago is not a panacea. What basic procedure was that? make mrproper make oldconfig make dep make bzImage make modules make modules_install user fools with links and lilo I've seen is outlined for all the distros. I hate those instructions. Like someone else has already mentioned, make mrproper puts you back to a virgin config, and leaves you to solve ALL the problems for yourself, with the make xconfig||menuconfig you left out. I need/want to develop a distribution agnostic set of procedures that will be applicable to all (or as many) distributions if/as possible. It may be that Debian upgrades MUST be done their way and the vanilla way (ie make dep, make bzImage, ...) will not work right. If that is the case, then so be it, but I am surprised the old way will not still work... No, it still works, although Debian doesn't have a good kernel install script the way some other distros do, so make install sometimes leaves you with extra work to do by hand. I seem to recall. I haven't built a kernel the old fashioned way in years. Debian's kernel-package kernel build system is an idea other distros should rip off. Even though it's not distro-agnostic, you might want to look at it anyway, just to see what you're missing. It's the reason Debian doesn't have a good kernel-install script. It doesn't need one. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Streaming audio
A lot of websites with streaming audio use the Windows Media Format for their streams. How can these be listened to (live) from Linux. Surely *SOMEONE* has solved this. We have lots of things to try, but in my experience Windows media stuff is a lost cause. If it isn't Real Player or MP3, write them a nasty letter and save yourself hours of futile effort. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DHCP Question
How do I install DHCP Client? What should be the content of this file? Either install dhcp-client or dhcp3-client. I don't know what the difference is in practical terms. If you have the hardware in place at install time, Sarge's installer will set up up with dhcp-client. I have 2 NIC cards in my computer That can be a bit tricky. In my experience, neither discover nor hotplug is reliable in detecting and setting up the NICs in the same order consistently at every boot. Not with a 2.4 kernel anyway. In order to make sure eth0 was always the card plugged into my router, I had to write a cheap little init script to manually insert each module in turn, and take up the associated interface. That way I'm assured they will come up in the right order. iconfig -a should list the all the eth - however it doesnt. Is there a way I can have it to identify both the NICs? They both need to have entries in /etc/network/interfaces It might look something like this: # the router NIC iface eth0 inet dhcp # a local NIC with a static IP iface eth1 inet static address 192.168.0.1 I explicitly do not have auto eth0 or auto eth1 in there because my script has to take matters into its own hands at boot time to ensure the correct results. Here's a slightly doctored version of my script. Adjust to suit. YMMV. -cat /etc/init.d/manual-module-load-LOCAL #!/bin/bash # This script manually loads the modules for eth0 and eth1. # This requires that both NICs be set without auto in /etc/network/interfaces. echo Configuring eth0 and connecting to router... echo Inserting module for Linksys NIC... modprobe tulip echo Running ifup eth0... ifup eth0 echo echo Configuring eth1 and connecting to LAN... echo Inserting module for sis900 NIC... modprobe sis900 echo Running ifup eth1... ifup eth1 -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting Started with Debian 3.0
and the release date of Nov 21, 2003 explains that. So I have an out-of-date system. Seriously out of date. It hasn't had any non-security upgrades since even longer ago than that. It originally released in mid-2002. And lastly, any general tips/hint/suggestions? I think if I were in your spot, with a recently-installed box where I hadn't done anything of terrible importance yet, and with a broadband connection available, I would start over with the Sarge net install CD. It's much more likely to detect and support your NIC during the install, it will automate the process of setting up your sources.list, and you'll start off with a respectably modern overall system in probably less time than it would take you to sort out why your NIC isn't working on that Woody box, fix everything up by hand, and then dist-upgrade to Sarge from where you are now. You can get there from where you are, surely, but is it worth it? For my time, it wouldn't be by a long shot. For that matter, Sarge hasn't even released yet, and it's already too old for my taste. I've put some boxes back on Sid. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DHCP Question
You can also apparently specify hwaddress in the stanzas (once you know them), so that you can autoload the modules and have eth0 and eth1 assigned consistently. I would guess that's the point of having hwaddress. It would look something like: hwaddress ether 01:23:45:67:89:AB where the last field comes from /sbin/ifconfig -a. Hrm. I'll look into that. My ugly kludge works, but it's, well, an ugly kludge. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Differences between binary images and compiled kernels
On Wednesday 15 September 2004 10:23 pm, Eric Dickner wrote: kernels handle hardware. My questions are these: 1) How did the seller of my original binary kernel compile it to be specific to certain hardware? RE question 1, if the answer is just in standard configuring why did the make oldconfig not work and leave many things out? Not enough information. What lead you up to running make oldconfig? If you installed the vendor-supplied kernel source tree and then copied the config they used to compile the particular kernel you're running (eg. /boot/config-2.4.25-1-686) into the kernel source directory as a file named .config, and then ran make oldconfig, then that should have let you reproduce their compiled kernel exactly, and should have let you compile any missing modules for it. If you did that, and it didn't work, there's no single explanation as to why, but one could suppose they shipped with a broken config. Now, one of the things I noted was a website and credit given to an individual for some code...is there anyway for me to recompile to 2.4.x with things like that inseerted? Certainly the basic proceedure that I followed doesn't give one the opportunity to do this. What basic procedure was that? Anyway, you can patch a kernel source. I think that's what you're after. However, it doesn't sound like it's something you're ready to play with quite yet. RE question 2; wasn't this sort of situation the reason modules were introduced? And aren't kernels becoming more modularized? And if all that is true should I try another recompile to 2.6.x and see if there are some advances that will fix my problems? What are your problems? In this day and age there are few problems indeed that can't be solved with an off-the shelf kernel. If the only reason you are fooling with this is to solve problems, then there is most likely an easier way. You said something about a vendor supplied kernel, and then you said you had fooled around trying to compile a plain vanilla kernel.org source, but I missed the part where you tried one of the myriad kernel images installable from Debian first. One of these perhaps: kernel-image-2.4.27-1-386 kernel-image-2.4.27-1-586tsc kernel-image-2.4.27-1-686 kernel-image-2.4.27-1-686-smp kernel-image-2.4.27-1-k6 kernel-image-2.4.27-1-k7 kernel-image-2.4.27-1-k7-smp kernel-image-2.4.27-speakup Or one of these: kernel-image-2.6.7-1-386 kernel-image-2.6.7-1-686 kernel-image-2.6.7-1-686-smp kernel-image-2.6.7-1-k7 kernel-image-2.6.7-1-k7-smp kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686 kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686-smp kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7 kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7-smp Try the easy thing first unless you're dealing with really bitchy hardware. If that is indeed the case, then how 'bout telling us what the hardware is. I'm sure there's an easier way to solve your problem than taking blind potshots at it. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting Started with Debian 3.0
installation and when system is availble, the first thing is to convert the ext2 to ext3. Such conversion is not safe sometimes. I am confused that why ext3 filesystem is not supported whithin the installer, is it unstable? It probably didn't ship with Woody because it was probably still considered experimental when Woody released. It stopped being experimental a long time ago, but Woody is very, very old. ext2 to ext3 and back is about as safe as filesystem conversion gets though. I wouldn't worry about any ill effects. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
print to remote printer on LAN?
All the networking stuff I've done for the last couple years has involved low-spec old junk boxes running as terminals, with all the resources attached to the server. My server's USB bus has taken a dump. The box is otherwise fine, but this means I can no longer use my USB printer. I've got full-on Sarge installs on the terminals, so it occurs to me I really should just figure out how to set things up so I can print from the server to a remote printer on one of the terminals. I just don't have any clue off hand how to set that up. I'm not sure if it will make any particular difference, but the person logged into the box to which the printer is attached won't be running applications on his/her own computer, so I suppose I want the server's CUPS aware of the thing in such a way that everyone can print to it the same way they can print to the printer attached to the server. That detail will probably take care of itself, but it bears mentioning. I did try to set up CUPS to print to a fancy color laser with its own ethernet once. I could ping it, but I never figured out the magic words to stick into the URL box, and I never managed to do more than make the printer blink some lights and then lock up. Google and linuxprinting.org were no help at all. This case is a little different. I need hotplug running on the remote box, and I guess I need to set it up with CUPS, then make this CUPS talk to that one. It has to be CUPS. It's a nasty winprinter with binary-only RPM drivers that are a grade A pain in the ass to get working. It only speaks CUPS. Hrm. I guess I know enough to start googling, but I'm in the middle of doing some open source developer type stuff at the moment, and I'm hoping someone will take pity on me and toss me a solution with a big bow tie on it. I'll have enough trouble just getting these damn Lexmark drivers working on the other computer. It ate a whole afternoon the last time. (Though with some judicious copying, maybe I can just move the installation without breaking it.) Thanks. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't play midi
On Saturday 11 September 2004 10:33 am, Danilo Horta wrote: When i try to play some mid file as a simple user on kmid, it shows Player :: There are no midi ports !. I can play anything else but midi. So i tried ls -la mid and it shows Seens to be correctly, right? any help? I'm using Debian Testing and i have ALSA configured properly. You answered the wrong question. I have a /dev/sda15 but that doesn't mean I have anything on the other side of it to do anything useful. (I don't.) -ls -la /dev/sda15 brw-rw1 root disk 8, 15 Dec 31 2003 /dev/sda15 Whether you have anything useful on the other side of any ports you have, or even whether you have any ports at all, is entirely dependant on what hardware you have in the box. The vast majority of common, cheap soundcards out there do not have any MIDI capability, and in order to play MIDI on them, you must use a software synth like QSynth to translate MIDI data into an audio stream playable on the card. The SB PCI series, the Ensoniq AudioPCI series, the on-board Intel and VIA chips and many, many others fall into this category. To find out what ports you have, install pmidi (the package is called pmidi) and then run pmidi -l from a command line. On my box, with a Sound Blaster Live!, I have lots of ports. 64:0 is the external joystick port MIDI interface, and 65:* are the on-board hardware synth. -pmidi -l Port Client name Port name 64:0 EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) - RawmiEMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) 65:0 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 0 65:1 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 1 65:2 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 2 65:3 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 3 Anyway, since KMid reports no ports, I expect you'll find pmidi -l doesn't return anything. In that case, the most probable outcome is that your only choice is to run something like QSynth. (You'll also need to acquire a soundfont for it. There are none currently available that meet anyone's guidelines for free redistribution, so you'll have to find one on the web for yourself and download it independently.) If you need more help, probably take it off-list. I haven't had much time to read this list lately, but I have managed to wade through my inbox almost every day. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cheap network card supported by linux
On Friday 10 September 2004 03:40 pm, Alvin Oga wrote: if you want network performance... you have to spend a day tuning it and testing it and changing the tcp/ip parameters and hope your nic can also keep up ( most all of um fail ... none can run(sustained) at even 50% of its 100Mbps or 1000Mbps rated speeds ) $5 for a cheap rt1839too or $150 intel is it worth the difference ? - depends .. Now I'm wondering what kind of performance I actually have. :) Three tulip NICs (Linksys), two sis900 (on-board), a Linksys hub. I know splee diddly about performance (though I've heard Linksys == crap), but I know my blinken lights are blinken furiously. I've got three terminals up at the moment and I can barely tell the difference between one of the terminals and the server. File transfers could probably be faster. I guess I don't actually care. I'm just trying to put off doing something more constructive by wasting time here on this list just a little longer, and this thread got my attention. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Network Connection/Newbie My head is spinning@#$%
say something earlier? :) What you need to do is set up Samba, and create some static mount points on your Best cure is to scrap Samba, reformat all those Windows boxes with ext3 or something, and enjoy life. Networking with Windows is like trying to teach a dog how to play the piano. :) OK, OK, that was definitely uncalled for and a completely ludicrous waste of my time. I really must get my butt in gear now. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Soundcard Support???
If they are then try checking out the advanced options in the alsa mixer. For some reason on my audigy the default setting was to enable only the digital output giving the false impression that sound was boned. Out of curiosity, which mixer are you using that actually lets you toggle the digital output? My problem is the opposite. I'm using the digital out, but none of the litany of mixers included with Debian seem to be able to control the thing effectively. Especially for the purpose of managing recording/playback sources in a home studio setting. I've found joy with something called QAMix/KAMix, but it's not included with Debian, so it's not a viable alternative to offer to Joe Newbie. Anyway, since you have an Audigy, I'd be really interested in hearing how you've gotten along with it. I've chosen the emu10k1 as my if all else fails, go buy one of these and do what I did example, but I've only got a cheap Value Edition, and I have no idea how the game might change if I had something with a breakout box and all the extra little doohickies on it. In the short term, I'm writing an extensive tutorial for Rosegarden. In the medium to long term, I'm piddling with a new mixer/soundfont loader dedicated to the emu10k1 series cards that presents the controls I need, and hides all the mysterious, useless things like IEC958 Optical Raw Playback from my sight. This presents a real problem if I leave out something that's useful to someone else though, so I'd really love to hear about your own experiences using your mixer on your Audigy, with whatever application you prefer. At this point all I have are pencil drawings and some very preliminary GUI code that isn't hooked up to do anything yet (or even buildable). It would be a good time to introduce new lines of thinking, while I can still get it right the first time. In particular, since you *don't* use the digital playback, does the Master volume control work? On mine, it does not. I don't necessarily want to write a mixer that's everything to everyone, but I think the emu10k1 cards are a really decent all-around solution for people looking to upgrade from the ubiquitous crap audio-only soundcards that predominate I'm sort of rambling here, so forgive me. Thanks for anything you have to share. For the curious, I have a (very unofficial) deb of KAMix (binary renamed kqamix to avoid conflicts with the unofficial kamix (different app) packages I've seen; built against Sid) here (Q/KAMix comes from SuSE originally, I think. I needs a lot of help to build for Debian.): http://users.adelphia.net/~silvan/kqamix_0.0.7e-1_i386.deb The thing I have in mind is intended to work as well as KAMix on this hardware, but it won't have the .xml configurability, won't (necessarily) work on anything except the emu10k1, and it will (hopefuly) be seriously cool looking. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anyone getting debian forged headers in Email?
alerts and people ignored them due to forged headers. I know it in very unlikely that Debian would do this, but I just despise these tactics, and the people who are putting Debian in a bad light. Spammers should be locked up and fed nothing but... Spam. :) I get a lot of these too. All the usual offenders. Pills and porn. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HTML editor. What to use?
On Tuesday 31 August 2004 01:04 pm, Joris Huizer wrote: I think that the best editor that you can use is emacs, you can edit whatever you want there even assembler. I recomend that one, besides you can run commands whithin it. Well, you can do all that in vim too ;) Don't call emacs or vim the best, it's a matter of taste! :p Pure nonsense. Vim is the best. It is unquestionably a matter of taste. Vim users have it. Emacs users clearly do not. Simple. :) -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: interview with joey hess
while trying to help set up someone's machine for them: if all else fails, you resort to the NATO phonetic alphabet and spell commands letter by letter :) LOL!! Been there. Foxtrot Sierra Charlie Kilo Space Slash Delta Echo Victor Slash Hotel Delta Alpha Niner Enter. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: knoppix vs standard debian?
On Wednesday 01 September 2004 08:38 pm, Scotty Fitzgerald wrote: Is there a webpage or faq, or can somebody clue me in to, whether I should get a regular debian?! Would there be an advantage to, say, picking up a copy of Debian Bible and installing that instead over knoppix debian? If it's the same book I looked at not long back, it comes with Debian Potato on the back cover. That's about 17.6 million years old in Linux terms. So no, that's probably not a good way to go. As a follow up, if I get a regular debian, will I eventually be able to make my own bootable debian CD with my selections of software? Or is this a capability that only knoppix has? Sure you can. I don't actually know how to do it, come to think of it, but it's certainly possible. That's how KNOPPIX does it after all. One thing about Debian (and Linux more generally) is that we have tools out the wazoo to do things that Windows users have to pay a lot of money for. They're not always the most intuitive or easy to use tools, but they're bristling with useful gadgets. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unmount Question
On Thursday 02 September 2004 09:32 pm, Steven Feinstein wrote: I have an NTFS drive that I mount as ReadOnly. I have found that when I use Konqueor to browse the drive and then exit Konqueor, I am not allowed to unmount the drive. I get the error device is busy. I close all apps, but I can't find a way to be allowed to unmount the drive. This seems to only occur through Konqueor. If you have a look, (maybe ps aux|grep slave) you'll probably find some kind of ioslave process still running, keeping it busy. Killing it might free it up. Just a guess, really. I've noticed KDE has problems with ioslaves of various flavors getting stuck like this. Usually no real harm comes of it, but it can be annoying. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hotplug PS2 keyboard
On Thursday 02 September 2004 09:39 pm, Hendrik Boom wrote: There may be confusion here -- is PS2 the hardwarey thing IBM came up with a few years ago for making PC's, distinguishing ti from PS1? Or is PS2 the well-known appreviation for the Sony PlayStation 2? Both these systems can have keyboards. This is a test, right? The PS/1 actually came out after the PS/2. What did I win? -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: graphics GNU C
On Sunday 29 August 2004 10:46 pm, Stefan O'Rear wrote: C is graphics-agnostic, and there are many graphics libraries you can Qt: 3 Like Athena, but different style (used by KDE) Well QT is about as C++ as C++ gets. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HTML editor. What to use?
On Monday 30 August 2004 07:31 am, Francisco Borges wrote: Hello, I haven't build HTML pages in years and I'm looking for an editor that would allow me to have a quick (re)start. Any recomendations? Running Sarge here. thank you for your attention ;-) A couple I didn't see mentioned. If you don't really care about the blasted tags and just want to get it done, regardless of how badly coded the resulting HTML is, then there's Mozilla composer, or, my preference, Open Office. Open Office generates some *very* ghastly HTML, but for my purposes, I don't really care what the code looks like as long as the finished product comes out right. It does. So I'm liberated from having to screw with all those @[EMAIL PROTECTED] tags. I'm trying to write something, not program a document. Yes, I could do it all by hand, but why should I waste my time? Quanta/bluefish/etc. aren't much better, since you still have to be very intimately aware of the tags. I want to be insulated from the details so I can concentrate on the real job. It's hard enough at that. Anyway, it really just depends on your needs. All the bases are covered, no matter what. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: International Characters from a US Keyboard?
On Thursday 26 August 2004 12:29 am, David Wright wrote: French. Is there a way to produce the standard accented characters (at least in Gnome applications) using keyboard combinations? I'm very tired of mousing up to the little gnome character pallet utility every few words when write a multi-page document. I'd like to be able to do something like ALT- + O to produce an umlauted O. I haven't used GNOME in years, and I have no idea if the new one still has this or not, but I imagine it almost certainly does. What I do in KDE is use the keyboard layout switcher to flip between languages. This seems like a lot of trouble perhaps, but if you write at any length in other languages it's really much more convenient than any other way of generating the special characters. I used to type circles around people who were doing the alt-0123 thing back in school (foreign language major.) I've just checked, and the Spanish layout seems suitable for German too, I think. You could make do just learning one alternative. Je peux crire en franais, o en espaol, and if memory serves, German needs only the umlaut and the thing, with maybe an accute accent or two somewhere or other. I think I can type everything from here in the Spanish layout. I can't find an oe thing, but that's one French can live without anyway. By the way, Windows has had this feature nailed down pat for about the last decade. Same key combinations, doesn't depend on the window manager, session manager, or application. Amazing. :-) Mayhap, but it's still impractical for anything other than very occasional use. I had a keyboard switcher flummy for Windows too. It's worth the time to learn if you do anything more than the most trivial little bit of some other language. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/
Re: anti-freeze
and I apologize for that. But does anyone know of ways to work on a problem such as this? Oh, I know a gardiner who'd suggest getting out the axe and sharpening it, then keeping it next to the miscreant:-) Having been around that bush not long ago, I vote for the axe. There's just not much you can do if the problem leaves no evidence in any of the logs. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help straightening out disk partitions.
Here is the testdisk output which cites the error, described differently by each program but this is it: Disk /dev/hdb - CHS 65536 16 63 - 32256 MB Thanks--Any help greatly appreciated! I'd do sfdisk -d /dev/hdb Then look at the resulting output to make sure it all adds up correctly. This is an example of a *good* partition table. Everything fits, and there are 63-sector gaps between partitions. Let's break it down: -sfdisk -d /dev/hda # partition table of /dev/hda unit: sectors /dev/hda1 : start= 63, size= 195489, Id=83, bootable Next one should start at (195489 + 63) 195552 /dev/hda2 : start= 195552, size= 77969808, Id= 5 Check. Now, a2 is an extended partition (type 5), so it should run from here to the end of the disk. If the logical partitions contained within this one go past 77969808, there's trouble. /dev/hda3 : start=0, size=0, Id= 0 /dev/hda4 : start=0, size=0, Id= 0 (No third or fourth primary. That's fine.) /dev/hda5 : start= 195615, size= 1999809, Id=83 Starts at 195615. Is that 195552 + 63? Yes, so that's fine. Should be 195615 + 1999809 + 63 to start the next one. /dev/hda6 : start= 2195487, size= 8000433, Id=83 Starts at 2195487. That does add up. Check. Should be 2195487 + 8000433 + 63 to start the next one. /dev/hda7 : start= 10195983, size= 1665, Id=83 Starts at 10195983. That does add up. Check. Should be 10195983 + 1665 + 63 to start the next one. /dev/hda8 : start= 30195711, size= 47969649, Id=83 Starts at 30195711. That does add up. Check. So then do all of these add up to the available space, or less? Total all the size= and come up with 77969556. Add in the 63 sector separations between the four partitions, and hit 77969808 spot on the money. So this partition table checks out perfectly. If yours doesn't, first you have to figure out what's wrong with it. Partitions overlapping, partitions not properly separated, more space allocated than the extended partition can hold, partitions not starting ont he right boundaries, etc. Once you know what's wrong with it, it's probably possible to fix it. I have to admit I'm much more rusty on the doing something about it side of things than the discovering trouble side. I rebuilt a partition table from scratch once, straightening out a mess a bad partition resize had left, but I don't quite remember exactly how I did it. I do remember starting with a list like this, figuring out what it was supposed to say, and then putting it there. It involved destroying the original partition table and writing a new one from scratch. I pulled it off by the hair on my chinny chin chin, but I don't remember enough about the process to write you a recipe book. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Combining images?
That is so true, even though many people wouldn't expect it to be the case for inherently GUI tasks like working with photos. I was certainly glad to discover ImageMagick after I started using a digital camera: the command line is the easiest way to rotate 30 JPGs 90 degrees to the left! Image Magick is, well, it does magick to images. :) It's hard to beat for any number of repetitive tasks like that, and it works wonders. The GIMP is worth a lot more than people might think too though. Not too long ago I might have posted something like the original poster did, being unable to figure out something as basic as pasting two images together. Today, I'm hardly a GIMP guru, but I can make that thing hum along pretty well. It's a really awesome program once you grok it. Getting there is hard if you've ever used anything else. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Confusing sound issues (ALSA, jackd, etc.)
On Saturday 14 August 2004 06:46 pm, Inge Thorin Eidsaether wrote: Haven't tried recording yet. So I installed Ardour. Ardour won't work unless jackd is running, which it wasn't: Hm. Found out I needed the LSM realtime module. Alternatively, you can just run JACK and Ardour as a regular user. If you start it with jackd and don't elect to start with realtime set, it will work fine. It's true you will probably never get useful performance doing it this way, but it runs. Is jackd (the debian package) compiled with all necessary flags? Like --enable-capabilites ? How do I find out? It works on patched 2.4 kernels. I have no idea about 2.6. It may be there's some different capabilities library it needs to be compiled against or something. Pure speculation. The more I read the more questions I have, like: - What FAQ, guide, tutorial etc. is the most authoritative and updated on the subject? Differences abound, depending on kernel version, etc. I'm writing a thorough guide to Rosegarden, and JACK is a big issue I need to deal with. I've spent a lot of time surfing, reading, trying to educate myself. The state of audio documentation is absolutely PATHETIC. Much of the documentation keeps referring to places where kernel 2.4.0 is spoken of in the future tense for crying out loud. Everyone, and every google search all keep referring to the same conglomeration of crap that evidently must make perfect sense to someone somewhere, but certainly not to me. - What files must be present for all this to work, (ALSA, jackd and all features of Soundblaster Live) on a system running the 2.6.7 kernel, and what magic do they possibly contain? I have absolutely no clue about 2.6 kernels. I'm not running one yet, and I don't support them. You can have my recipe for getting a happy JACK with a 2.4 kernel though. Add the following line to your sources.list: # AGNULA deb http://apt.agnula.org/demudi/ testing main local extra Update, then get (as needed, and with suitable arch if necessary): alsa-modules-2.4.25-1-multimedia-686 kernel-headers-2.4.25-1-multimedia-686 kernel-image-2.4.25-1-multimedia-686 kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.25-1-multimedia-686 They don't make it very obvious to the casual browser, but they maintain a repository of Debian packages. No need to replace your running system with something off the CD. Just install AGNULA packages whenever they're available and take the rest from Sid or Sarge. Then you might want to have a look at my book. While I deal mostly with MIDI issues, I do cover JACK. I'm trying to deal with all of this on a KISS, least you need to know level, and keep it distro-neutral, so don't expect an authoritative JACK treatise. (I couldn't write one if you paid me anyway. The least you need to know, in this case, is very nearly all that I *do* know after months wrestling with this most wretched of subjects.) I've just committed a new round of changes to document my latest success with the AGNULA kernel. That version won't get rsynced out to the web server until tomorrow sometime, so here's the URL to the PDF version instead. I host this myself, and I just updated it. You want to look at chapter 2.2: http://users.adelphia.net/~silvan/using-rosegarden.pdf If you decide to play with Rosegarden for audio work, I'm afraid I still haven't really dealt with the vagaries of recording with Rosegarden yet, and neither have I mentioned managing audio files. All of that is coming in the next few weeks, along with detailed instructions for managing the evil bastard mixer from hell on the SB Live! to control which audio sources get recorded. I'm still in the playing with it to figure it out stage, really, since I've only just gotten Rosegarden's audio features working smoothly for myself, after nearly two years with the project. -Why on Earth must all this be so convoluted? (sigh...) Tell me about it. The up side is that once you do finally get it working, it's pretty cool. Install the LADSPA stuff to get plugins up the wazoo: swh-plugins - Steve Harris's LADSPA plugins tap-plugins - Tom's Audio Processing LADSPA plugins I could go on, but let's see how far you get. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
bad shutdown
I think I have a CD-ROM going south. I started the KDE CD ripper flummy, and then immediately stopped it. I wound up with a kaudiocreator process hung up eating system CPU cycles and making my hard disk do unpleasant sounding things filling the log up with hdd lost interrupt messages. The system was stable, but I didn't want to leave it doing that. So I closed everything out, logged off, waited a bit, and then rebooted. The last thing I saw before the reboot was a warning that /home was busy, and so was not umounted. I booted into unclean/check forced mode on home and / both. Fortunately, there were no serious problems. Sure, I was having weird kernel interrupt problems, but it seems poorly conceived to me for the init scripts to take one shot at something as important as umounting everything, and then just say OK, to hell with it, let's reboot anyway. I'm not sure what could have been done at that stage of the game, but I'm miffed I didn't even get the chance to try. Anyone have any suggestions what I should do about this to increase the odds that this won't happen again. (Other than getting rid of the CD ripper flummy and trying to remember not to try to use the damn CD-ROM until I get it replaced, I mean.) -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I hate it when that happens...
On Sunday 01 August 2004 09:44 pm, William Ballard wrote: I found a whole new way to screw up today, but I bet it's in some list somewhere: Instead of: pipe-command args | /pipe/to/command pipe-command args /pipe/to/command I did it on Win32, so the dir was writable. Boom. Instantly clobber the executable, restore from backup. Running Win32 was probably your first mistake. :) Reminds me of the time I did a DEL *.* in C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND by accident one day. Oops. Which brings up another thing. Juha was talking about doing an rm -rf * in the wrong xterm... Well, one of the first things I did in Linux was show off for my wife how Linux has file permissions that prevent ordinary users from doing stupid things (like running DEL *.* in C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND :). So I did a little cd /rm -rf * and showed her the impressive stream of permission denied messages. Until it iterated into /home. Oops. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I hate it when that happens...
On Monday 02 August 2004 01:39 am, Juha Siltala wrote: Crap HTML you say -- is the HTML OO.o produces as bad as the Word generated code? I guess you can tidy it afterwards anyway if need be. It has a lot of superfluous crap. Hand-written code is much cleaner, and does the same job. However, HTMLDOC gets rid of a lot of the crap in the process of working its magic anyway, and then introduces some crap of its own. I don't really care. I'm not getting graded on how good my HTML looks. The stuff on-screen and on paper looks great, and that's what matters. I could use something like Quanta or hand-code everything in vim, but I've got 143 pixmaps and counting (soon to be at least double that) and I have enough to deal with without worrying about the details of the markup language I'm using. Yes, it is possible to use word processors _right_. I know a couple of really clueful MS Word users who have developed a habit for using styles. Armed with Word (and lots of Word knowledge) and Endnote for a bibliography database, they actually seem to work pretty much the same way as I do with LyX and Pybliographer. FWIW, I'm teaching Mom how to use a computer for the first time ever. Teaching her how to use OO, and teaching her the value of styles from day one. :) She's running Debian, of course, and getting along pretty well. She loves the GIMP. I bought her one of those Wacom pencil tablet flummies, and she's having a blast. The OO.o file format is not as bad as Word either. You will be able to read your OO.o documents in the future even if OO.o goes under. Not only that, but the code for reading it and doing something with it is readily obtainable too. :) It's a far cry from human-readable though. Ever looked at one? It's compressed XML, but there are five hundred trillion tags in the simplest file. It's more than vim can handle, and there's not much you can do to hand-edit that enormous mess. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I hate it when that happens...
I wasted an entire tree today I think. It's been my experience that unless the printer can do double-sided printing all by itself, fewer trees have to die if I _don't_ try to print double-sided. LOL! You said it! :) I think my next printer will have one of those paper flipper flummies built into it. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I hate it when that happens...
On Tuesday 03 August 2004 11:31 am, Juha Siltala wrote: On 2004-08-03, Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't really care. I'm not getting graded on how good my HTML looks. That's right! Screw them markup police! :) Exactly. I have rescued some text from an OO.o file, but the document was very simple. I guess that when OO.o is dead and archeologists in the year 2500, they will have an advanced bash script to get the text out. :) One can only hope the command line is still around 500 years from now. :) Though I figure by then things like keyboards will be obsolete in favor of some kind of wireless transmitter surgically implanted into people's skulls at birth or something. I guess we don't have to worry about it, do we? :) -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I hate it when that happens...
On Monday 02 August 2004 10:32 pm, Zaq Rizer wrote: Silvan wrote: Anyone know where I can buy a bigger hard disk for my brain? This one is getting bad sectors, I think. I got one: How about running Debian for TWO YEARS without knowing about apt-get clean? Yep...that's me. :( I freed about 11G of /dev/hda; it was quite exciting at the time. :-p LOL! I only discovered that fairly recently myself. I got to looking around one day and noticed I still had all the packages from Woody in my cache. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: `who` output keeps showing logins that have really logged out.
On Sunday 01 August 2004 10:40 am, Adam Funk wrote: On Friday 30 July 2004 15:10, Tom wrote: Pretty useless reply, but I've noticed the same thing. It's been like that for several months here, now. Actually that's useful for me to know: it makes it less likely that I've screwed it up. Any idea what program or package puts the information in utmp? Me three, now that you mention it. I've got people logged in from a terminal that has been offline for a month, and no processes owned by those users. -apropos utmp dump-utmp (8)- print an utmp file in human-readable format endutent (3) - access utmp file entries endutxent (3)- access utmp file entries getutent (3) - access utmp file entries getutent_r (3) - access utmp file entries getutid (3) - access utmp file entries getutid_r (3)- access utmp file entries getutline (3)- access utmp file entries getutline_r (3) - access utmp file entries getutxent (3)- access utmp file entries getutxid (3) - access utmp file entries getutxline (3) - access utmp file entries login (3)- write utmp and wtmp entries logout (3) - write utmp and wtmp entries pututline (3)- access utmp file entries pututxline (3) - access utmp file entries setutent (3) - access utmp file entries setutxent (3)- access utmp file entries utmp (5) - login records utmp-conv (8)- convert UTMP files utmpname (3) - access utmp file entries sessreg (1x) - manage utmp/wtmp entries for non-init clients -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I hate it when that happens...
I've been trying to figure out why, why, why my /var partition was filling up. Not logs, not the package cache, not this, not that, not the other. Then it hit me. I've been downloading random things to look at to /tmp for months since the last reboot. Source for Open Office, kdelibs, kdebase, the kitchen sink and my bathtub too. I had four gigabytes of accumulated cruft that I was just more or less waiting on the next reboot to get rid of for me. tmp - /var/tmp Duh. I put /tmp on /var because /var is a separate partition, and I wanted all the usual over-flowable stuff contained somewhere off /. Anyone know where I can buy a bigger hard disk for my brain? This one is getting bad sectors, I think. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I hate it when that happens...
On Sunday 01 August 2004 12:56 pm, Silvan wrote: Another stupid luser trick. Don't do a package install that restarts CUPS while you're in the middle of printing a 200-page double-sided document, and you're halfway through the second side. Yerk. I can't believe I did that. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ALSA setup problem
On Sunday 01 August 2004 02:12 pm, Paul E Condon wrote: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.26-1-686/alsa/snd-pdaudiocf.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.26-1-686/alsa/snd-vx-cs.o This looks bad to me. Is it? What do I do about it? The short, simple answer is that those modules are borked somehow. I've seen that too, using Debian's stock ALSA modules. Fortunately, I didn't need any of the ones that were affected. If you do, then I suppose all you can do from here is build the modules from source and see if you fare better. If you don't need the modules with unresolved symbols, then this isn't your problem. For example, I have: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.25-1-686/alsa/snd-pdaudiocf.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.25-1-686/alsa/snd-vx-cs.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.25-1-686/alsa/snd-vxp440.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.25-1-686/alsa/snd-vxpocket.o But I'm running a snd-emu10k1, so this doesn't affect me. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I hate it when that happens...
On Sunday 01 August 2004 05:35 pm, Juha Siltala wrote: One day, a couple of years ago, I had a couple of harmless xterms open on my pretty desktop. I was about to clean up my ~/shit (or something, just a temporary directory), but issued 'rm -rf *' in the wrong xterm. Hey, the contents of my home directory are gone! Note to self: before coffee, do nothing. I had had my caffeine too. No excuses. It got better. I printed the document a second time, then I punched holes in all 50 sheets (OK, it was only a 100-page document...) and bound it (I own a comb binder for this very reason) and then I started marking up changes. (It's easier for me to take stock of where I am on paper.) Page 1. Page 1. Page 3. Page 3. WTF? Aw, f*ck. I wasted an entire tree today I think. Anyway, I had the last night's backups, so there was nothing but the cleaning of underware to care about. I was also writing something, but the document was still open in LyX, so it was safe as long as LyX didn't crash (and it almost never does). BTW, I'm not doing LyX, but I've taken the point you used to make about how much you hate word processors. I'm using OO, and writing HTML (crap HTML, but let's just not go there) and letting the styles do their job. I never used to write like this, but on a big project, it's really indispensable. Move a chapter, renumber a section, rearrange the TOC. Life sure got easier once I sat down and figured out a way to let the computer do all the work of making it look like something snazzy. I write with OO, then put everything together with HTMLDOC. Web site, PDF, everything all prettied up and slick looking without my having to dick around with all the formatting every time I change something. You were definitely right about this, even if I'm still being obstinate enough to continue using an inferior markup language machine-generated with an inferior pseudo wysiwyg editor. :) -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help From Brasil
Please if one of you can help me!! I'm Architect, Designer Mac user from Brasil, and read about bad blocks isolating, My emac 1ghz starts to be strange, I discovered i Have bad blocks at My HD and Idon,t want Format it , (it's the second time this HD have problems) How I can Isolate it, (I'm new at terminal) I honestly don't know how to isolate bad blocks, but I've see how fast today's hard drives go from strange to dead. It doesn't take long at all. If I were you, I'd buy a new hard drive immediately and rescue as much data as I could from the old one before its time is up. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to Move from 1 drive to another?
On Saturday 31 July 2004 06:21 am, Jonathan Wheelhouse wrote: I would boot a Linux Live CD like knoppix, partition and format the new drive, copy everything from the old drive to the new one, chroot into the new system, install a boot loader, reboot and be happy. That is a lot easier then installation from scratch and you can keep everything installed and configured so far. This sounds like the least amount of work and still giving a good result - I'll give it a go. Off to read about chroot . I'm not sure why you should need to bother with booting a live CD. I've done this lots of times. Put the new drive in, boot the existing installation, partition and format the new drive from the existing installation, mount its partitions somewhere temporarily, cp -a the stuff over as appropriate, edit its bootloader config and fstab as appropriate, chroot into it and run /sbin/lilo then reboot, and presto. You only need a rescue CD if you screw something up. (Which I've certainly done, yes, so keep that CD in your back pocket. :) You might want to look at this: http://www.storm.ca/~yan/Hard-Disk-Upgrade.html -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What are the dangers of using packages from both stable and testing?
On Saturday 31 July 2004 10:52 am, Carl Fink wrote: BTW, using information from http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html section 6.14, you can quite easily recompile a Sid package using the Woody libraries to run under Woody (unless the program requires actual features not available in the older libs). Which a vast heaping many of them probably do. Woody is 40,000 years old, and developers don't like to be constrained to features that were only available when mankind was first taming fire. Not when there's some new API call that combines a kitchen sink with a microwave oven and a motorcycle, and all it takes to get it is to force everyone to upgrade libflummy to the latest CVS version. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: script/app to compile statistics about disk usage? one line
On Saturday 31 July 2004 01:48 pm, Paul E Condon wrote: (most is a better less. you can use less if you don't want to install most.) Cool! Me likey. Wish I'd found most sooner. :) -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: script/app to compile statistics about disk usage?
On Saturday 31 July 2004 11:47 am, Matt Perry wrote: What I do to see large directories is just 'du -sh *' starting at root and then drilling down from there. If you want to see what the largest files are, you can use this Perl script that Randal Schwartz wrote: That looks like a keeper. Thanks. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to Move from 1 drive to another?
On Saturday 31 July 2004 08:59 pm, csj wrote: On 31. July 2004 at 11:49AM -0400, Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] You only need a rescue CD if you screw something up. (Which I've certainly done, yes, so keep that CD in your back pocket. :) Make sure it stays flat: sed s/back/shirt/ ;-) Yes, I suppose doing it my way could be a fatasstrophe. The other poster's point about open files is valid too. I don't do SQL stuff or otherwise have any particular reason to be worried about open files during such a move. When I've done it, I haven't been in single user mode or had the source partitions remounted ro. Come to think of it, I might have done this while I was running X and doing my usual bit. I'm not quite sure. Anyway, as long as you make sure it worked before you move in, you shouldn't have any real problems even if something does go awry with the copy. Be careful! :) -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
script/app to compile statistics about disk usage?
Before I reinvent the wheel, I thought I'd see if there's already something cooked up. What I want to do is look at my disks and gather statistics about what is eating the most space. Where the biggest files are, which directories are the largest, etc. I'm running out of room, and I'm sure I must have gigabytes of stupid junk laying around, but I'm not sure where I left all of it. I figure there's probably some find $dir -[syntax] to pick out files over some specified size, and I could do things with find|xargs du|sort|grep|gawk to pick out the heavyweight directories, but it would be nifty if there's already some handy dandy utility I haven't discovered that does this kind of thing already. Assuming such a thing doesn't already exist, does anyone else thing some kind of handy dandy disk analyzer/reporter flummy to compile and report statistics of this nature would be worth doing in a pretty way? This almost seems worthy of becoming a hack add-on to KDiskFree or something. (Yeah, like I have time for any more projects.) -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: script/app to compile statistics about disk usage?
On Friday 30 July 2004 02:52 am, John Summerfield wrote: These days, disk is cheap in com[arison with time, and you need to keep this in mind. It might be better to replace the drive, put the old one in a USB enclosure so you can get your important bits back. However, some will choose to spend (their own) time to manage their space. Drives are cheap, but I have other things I'd rather spend money on at the moment. Plus there's no excuse for me to be using this much space. How can I possibly be using FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda8 23G 19G 2.9G 87% /home for example. 19 GB of what? I don't see it, but it's there somewhere. Probably 27,000 files named foo or 1 or something. :) I'm also starting to fill up /var, even though all the places I know to look are pretty reasonable (and I did purge the package cache, yes) so I guess it's time to get off my duff and figure out what's eating what and turn it down or turn it off. Thanks everyone. I guess I'll cook something up then. Probably just a script because I'm feeling way too lazy to do anything more complicated. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: system installation
One method is to clone the existing system to the fresh disk, boot it up, edit /etc/apt/sources.list to change every stable to testing and run dselect. There should be a more direct and efficient method. Haven't found this topic in the Installation Manual. I don't quite know how to do it, and I don't have time to look it up for you, but there's a way to get a list of all your packages on Woody and then use the Sarge installer to start a new Sarge going, then feed that list into it from there to grab everything you had on Woody in one shot. Something about --get-selections I'm sure it's in the archives. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how can other users use X?
/ xhost method, or you can use »sux« (su with x) of the package sux (not sure, if it is in stable) instead, or you can cheat and use ssh -x [EMAIL PROTECTED] (you might need to allow your ssh server X11 forwarding). Hrm. It kinda sux that I didn't discover that sooner. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/
Re: syncing pda + phone on linux?
On Sunday 25 July 2004 03:05 am, Paul Johnson wrote: Monique Y. Mudama [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I use starfish truesync on winbleh to sync up my handspring platinum visor with my computer and my motorola v60i. I know that I can sync my PDA to various linux apps, but do any support phones as well and let me sync both to my computer at once? My solution: kpilot usb Handspring Visor ir Nokia 3361 Wow. Why do I have the feeling I'm just not living in the modern world? Platinum visor? Handspring visor? Synchronizing a mobile phone with a computer? Kinda makes me glad to be a hermit, I think. :) -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: syncing pda + phone on linux?
On Sunday 25 July 2004 03:42 am, Monique Y. Mudama wrote: Kinda makes me glad to be a hermit, I think. :) Depends on how you view it. My cell phone is my only phone, and it's a heck of a lot easier to enter contact info into the computer than it is into the phone! So with this setup, my PDA is where I generally look first to find info, my computer is where it's easiest to enter the info and rearrange it, and my cell is where it's most convenient to have phone numbers. But once I enter info in one place, it propagates to all three. Just a different lifestyle or something, I guess. I can't imagine what data I would manage if I had all of that stuff. (Then again, I still haven't invested in one of those new-fangled DVD drives, so maybe *I'm* the hermit.) Sounds like you're too busy managing information to have time to watch one anyway. :) I'm not poking fun at all, for the record. I just feel slightly out of touch. I really do live in a bubble. Straight home from work, and I stay home until it's time to go to work again. My car sat in the same spot for nine days the last time I was on vacation. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: syncing pda + phone on linux?
On Sunday 25 July 2004 01:47 pm, Monique Y. Mudama wrote: Phone numbers I only need to remember 10. My brain has that much room. and appointments. I've tried using all the other What's an appointment? :) Mind you, I wouldn't have a PDA except that my old company gave one to everyone as part of a reward deal. There are other things on which I'd rather spend my money, but for free it's not bad! I guess I have to be fair here. I'm not really *that* much of a hinkle. I'm just spoiled rotten by my wife, who remembers all this drivel so I don't have to. Don't know what I'd do without her. I hope I don't have to find out anytime soon. (And yes, I do tell her how much I appreciate her. Regularly.) Oh, my husband brought a DVD *player* into the marriage, so I can watch them on TV -- I'm talking about in my computer. I've toyed with the idea, though, particularly to burn off archives; it's just never been important enough to me. Oh, one of those flummies. I don't have one either. I still have a 4X CD-RW. I'd replace it, but that would kill my uptime. :) Well, if that's what you like, that's great =) I don't get out much, either, for social events, but mountain biking keeps my car pretty busy. I live within walking/riding distance of the trail. I usually walk. You can avoid more spiders if you're walking, and there are a LOT of spiders out there this time of year. Spiny orb weavers. Ghastly things to find hanging off your nose, even though they're harmless. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is Linux Unix?
On Saturday 24 July 2004 04:47 am, Steve Lamb wrote: develop for Linux because of the diversity. I had to sit by and watch my father build a network of Windows NT boxes because I couldn't write and THOROUGHLY test the software he needed for the cash registers at his workplace. So, what you're saying is, that he standardized on one distribution and not on another. That's all WinNT is, really. Custome software as you describe, can be tailored for a particular flavor of Linux (or any other 'nix) just as easily as for a particular flavor of Windows. Well, that's a fair enough point. Why not write for Flummy Linux 1.2.3, and then leave it frozen at that forever? This kind of thing is almost an imbedded application anyway, and what he does have is frozen at winNT 4.0ish (was there a 4.0? I'm not up on Windows so much these days.) But I suppose my own point is that nobody did it, and the people in question, when approached with the idea of porting for Linux (for some flavor of some distro), ran away vey fast. Many things are possible, but it's not so easy getting people to consider them. So the point that our diversity is an obstacle to the availability of this kind of software, as a practical, rather than theoretical matter, still stands. While it's true that win95 is a distro and win98 is a distro and win98SE is a distro, etc., there are still far fewer of them. It doesn't present the same daunting aura of complexity, and sometimes perception is more important than reality. So I still think it's fair to say that Linux is not a very attractive target for the kind of people who are developing astronomically expensive, highly specialized commercial software of this nature. Let me state for the record that I'm prepared to force people with such needs to look elsewhere if that's what it takes to keep Linuxdom just the way it is. I do not object to our diversity, and I have no use for proprietary, closed-source commercial software anyway. If it's not free, I don't want it. Luckily, I have no compelling, practical need to force me to move away from that position. Unfortunately, many do, and Linux isn't much good to them. It's very difficult to change the way people think. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Distributing platform independant software (Was Is Linux Unix?)
On Saturday 24 July 2004 03:19 pm, David Baron wrote: systems, not on others using the same distro. For example, I cannot compile anything using QT3. I certainly do have it. You probably have to specify the QTDIR on the ./configure line, or else set $QTDIR. Debian's QT goes into a weird place. The other solution is to symlink something from the usual place to Debian's weird place, but I did it so long ago I forgot what I pointed at what. If you're *really* desperate, I'll go figure it out, but that wasn't a desperate sounding question, so I'm not giving a lengthy answer. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is Linux Unix?
*my* rep for shooting it down. I wonder if she realizes that Portland Public Schools wouldn't have to have the teachers work for four weeks for free to keep the schools open if it weren't for her idiocy. Going further off the topic here, that sparked a thought of my own. My local school system has a pretty snazzy county-wide network. All the schools are wired to some obscenely gigantic pipe, and all the networking guts stuff (router/firewall/proxy/filter) is done with Linux (RH probably). Yet all the end user machines (several per classroom) are running expensive copies of Windows with expensive copies of all manner of expensive software. It just burns my ass really. No, I'm not going to argue the kids shouldn't have Sponge Bob Teaches Calculus or whatever, but most of those boxes are used for web browsing, and maybe some web authoring. Why pay several hundred dollars a pop for Windows + software for those things when A) the software isn't even needed on most of the boxes, and B) the county already uses Linux, and employs people who know how to admin it? It just doesn't make sense. The reason, of course, is because the county can always raise property taxes again to pay for it all if those copies of Windows get too expensive. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fedora Trademark guidelines. Don't use Fedora.
By that same token, someone using the Fedora name for a modified Fedora distribution could POTENTIALLY make RH look even worse than it already does. Umm... I mean... could make RH look bad. :) I played with Ruddy Headware once. Installing Debian made it all go away. :) -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's this mounted temporary drectory? /tmp/autoKVio9R
On Friday 23 July 2004 04:11 am, Ryo Furue wrote: drwx--0 root root0 Jul 17 20:21 autoKVio9R/ it is. Is it something dangerous? like a symptom of being cracked? I use Debian 3.0r2. I have no idea, but if I ever found something mounted I didn't mount and didn't know about, I'd be plenty curious. I think I'd umount it and see what broke. If it's not umountable because it's in use, run fuser on it and figure out what process is tying it up. It's not a KDE thing, for the record, because KDE stuff goes in /tmp/$YOUR_USER-kde/ -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building 2.6.x kernel
I have now built a 2.6.6 and a 2.6.7 using make_kpkg. Both have apparently installed OK but panicked because they couldn't mount my root partition. Said partition is an ext3 created during a stock sarge install. The original 2.4.25 and an installed 2.6.6-1.k7 kernel have no problems. Just a guess, since I'm not building a 2.6 kernel, but... I just went through this yesterday with a 2.4 kernel I had to patch. I started with Debian's config, make-kpkg yadda yadda, kernel panic. The stock config builds everything in the world as modules. It requires an initrd or some config tweaking to boot. Since twiddling everything necessary to get up and going without an initrd can be time-consuming, I opted to just make-kpkg --initrd yadda yadda and go that route. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is Linux Unix?
On Friday 23 July 2004 03:59 am, Ryo Furue wrote: machine, the company makes the costomer buy one. (The sofwares so expensive that the cost of a lowly Windows machine is nothing.) Unfortunately, uniformity and community efforts don't come together. That *is* true. Linux is hell as a target for commercial software. Part of that is by design, I think. We treasure diversity and choice, and we treasure open source software. If everything is open source, diversity is not a problem. That's what package maintainers are for. But it's true that there's a whole realm of software nobody is likely to develop for Linux because of the diversity. I had to sit by and watch my father build a network of Windows NT boxes because I couldn't write and THOROUGHLY test the software he needed for the cash registers at his workplace. It causes problems with hardware too. Some vendors are hell bent on keeping their sacred little details under their collar. While there are some relative success stories, like the NVIDIA drivers, there are many more situations with winmodems and winprinters and the like that create pure driver hell for anyone not running Flummy Linux 1.2.3. This even affects people running Flummy Linux 1.2.4 or 1.2.2. Binaries-only drivers suck! Ultimately, however, I don't think we can have our cake and eat it too. There *is* a price to pay for running Linux, but Linux wouldn't be Linux if all the was to it was a new version of Red Hat every four years. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is Linux Unix?
On Friday 23 July 2004 04:55 am, Paul Johnson wrote: [1] RPM considered catastrophically harmful. Until RPM actually *standardizes* with standard package names, standard filesystem, real dependency resolution, and permanent removal of file dependencies, rpm will always be the proof-of-concept and dpkg the proper implimentation of automated package management. Though this assumes that RPM-based distros actually meet the same high standard of quality assurance usually found in Mexican tap water. It's 2004: Using RPM should not make users start clenching their colons and dread ever touching a computer. If people want to know why so many people say, I tried Linux, but it sucked, so I put Windows back on, they should look no farther than RPM. You made beer spew out my nose. I haven't laughed this hard in ages. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Urgent :Dual boot Debian+Mandrake with lilo
On Thursday 22 July 2004 01:55 pm, Vijaya S wrote: Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 211641024+ 83 Linux /dev/hda2 21165 23287 10699925 Extended /dev/hda3 23288 42663 9765504 83 Linux /dev/hda5 21165 23287 1069960+ 82 Linux swap I want to edit lilo to get both Mandrake and Debian in the bootloader menu. How can i get my Mandrake back ..I cannot boot Mandrake again. I assume you want to boot Mandrake with a Mandrake-tweaked kernel, and Debian with a Debian-tweaked kernel, yes? (Recommended.) You'll have to do more than the last poster implied. First, make a copy of /etc/lilo.conf before you start screwing with it. cp /etc/lilo.conf /etc/lilo.conf.saveass Now, the easiest thing is to pick ONE distro to manage your boot loader. Either Mandrake or Debian. You'll drive yourself nuts trying to keep up with two copies of lilo.conf on two different partitions. Let one manage the boot loader, and tell the other one to ignore the boot loader whenever Next, I create a mountpoint for Mandrake and mount it: mkdir /mandrake# to create a new mountpoint mount -t auto /dev/hda1 /mandrake # or add an entry to /etc/fstab Verify that you see stuff in /mandrake/boot Now, if you're using Debian to manage this, its default lilo.conf will probably set you up to install the boot block to a partition, rather than a device. If you have something like # Specifies the boot device boot=/dev/hda3 You probably want to change it to: # Specifies the boot device boot=/dev/hda (Why? I'm not sure, really. It has always worked for me the way I suggest, while I've had problems doing it the Debian way.) Then you'll have something like: root=/dev/hda3 Change it to: #root=/dev/hda3 When you get down into this bit here (whatever yours says) stick a root= in here for this stanza: # These images were automagically added. You may need to edit something. image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.23-1-386 label=DEB 2.4.23-0 root=/dev/hda3 initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.4.23-1-386 read-only Then you just add a Mandrake stanza like: image=/mandrake/boot/vmlinuz label=Mandrake root=/dev/hda1 initrd=/mandrake/boot/initrd.img read-only (That should probably work. Mandrake sets up and maintains symlinks so /boot/vmlinuz-your-real-kernel and so forth.) Then run /sbin/lilo -v to verify this worked. Remember that I haven't done this in ages, so I may have gotten something wrong. Please forgive me if I have. The underlying principle is that you want to use the kernel from the Mandrake partion to install the entry for Mandrake. If you just used /boot for both, you'd be booting Mandrake with a Debian kernel, which would break automount and perhaps other things. If something went wrong, you can cp -f /etc/lilo.conf.saveass /etc/lilo.conf /sbin/lilo -v to get back to where you started. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy Sony (was: Re: sony vaio desktop)
I can hardly believe that this was by accident since everything they do just shows so obviously what they aim at - ripping you off very thoroughly. You'd think they'd have learned something from betamax by now. :) -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problems using JACK
On Monday 19 July 2004 10:54 am, Raphaël Berbain wrote: rich lott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: then some comments seemed to hint otherwise. It certainly doesn't seem to work that way. http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=AlsaSharing basically says that ALSA allows sound mixing, with more or less setup involved depending It does look encouraging, doesn't it? Until you get to the bit about how to set it up. Gah. But it might just work. Come to think of it, I used to have to shut down JACK before running things like mplayer, but I can mostly just leave JACK running and do whatever. Except run arts and things that depend on arts (which is nothing I can't live without having sound, really.) I have no idea how the guts work, but something somewhere is more conveniently interoperable than it used to be, though things becoming ALSA-aware, or through some other magic. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
Re: how to run a single X program?
On Saturday 17 July 2004 01:23 pm, Shot wrote: I think there's a way of starting (startx-ing?) X with only one application, and after some googling I found The Basic X Window It doesn't look like anyone has mentioned this alternative. If you want to go totally bare bones, you can use xinit /path/to/binary Maybe *too* minmalistic for a web browser, but I use this all the time when I'm primarly working at the command line and I need to run a single, simple graphical program for something. No window manager. It doesn't get any more bare than that. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help with Router
On Saturday 17 July 2004 11:57 am, Christopher J. Noyes wrote: I had originally had Debian setup to use pppoe to connect to verizon.net using DSL and it worked. I just setup a small home network using a Linksys This is funny. I tried to do exactly that, and I never could get it to work. After fighting for two hours, I forced the person I was helping to go buy a router and spare me bashing my head any longer. DSL/Cable Router, on Windows it works fine, both computers connect shares work, both can use the internet. I need to know how to configure Debian to connect to the router. As I understand it, what I need to do is disable pppoe, set it up to connect via Ethernet, configure it do do a dhcp lookkup All you have to do is uninstall the pppoe packages. That should get rid of anything trying to start pppoe for you automatically. Then the stock standard out of the box /etc/network/interfaces is all you need for the box to work the next time you ifup eth0 or reboot. Dead easy. to the router for the ip address, though this machine it should be 196.192.1.100 according the linksys's documentation as it is the first machine and in Windows it uses this ip address. Second Question, how do you I'm not aware of any way to force that router to assign addresses in any controllable way. First come, first serve. (I'd love to hear different. It's the Linksys router from Wal-Mart I'm talking about here; yours might not be the same one.) That means each machine's IP address on the LAN could change at any time. It complicates a few things, but I find it's not too bad since the Linux machine is pretty well always started first, and both machines almost always have predictable IP addresses on the LAN the router provides, which are in /etc/hosts on the Linux box, and C:\SOME-STUPID-PLACE on the Windows machine. I can't remember. C:\WINDOWS\HOSTS maybe. set up to connect to Windows Shares, I guess this is Samba. I have a laptop that is off and on the network that I would like be able to connect to. Samba can be done. I've done it, years ago. But damn if I could figure out how to do it this last time around. Windows networking is retarded, and Samba is a PITA. The best solution to this problem is to run a 100% Linux network. :) I know that's not the answer you need though. I hope someone can help you. Maybe try a new thread, since Samba doesn't have much of anything to do with the router; beyond the vagaries of having a potentially variable IP on the boxes anyway. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bash equivalent to DOS /p
That really depends on what keyboard you use. The Norwegian one is different. I don't know where it would be on a British keyboard, and I'm not sure what kinda keyboard someone from Australia (au?) would have. The pipe is indeed above the backslash on the british keyboard; but the key is next to the left shift key rather than the right. In contrast, on the Spanish keyboard, backslash is AltGr º Scaled onto a US 104-key keyboard, that's the same physical keys as right-alt ` The pipe, OTOH is AltGr 1 (right-alt 1) So the original person who pointed out how much the layout matters had a very valid point. (Programming, or even working from a command line must be tedious for a lot of the world. cd [shift-7] usr [shift-7] local [shift-7] a [AltGr º][space] name [AltGr º][space] with [AltGr º][space] spaces ) Gah. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
Re: Help with Router
On Sunday 18 July 2004 04:15 am, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: I'm not aware of any way to force that router to assign addresses in any controllable way. First come, first serve. (I'd love to hear different. It's the Linksys router from Wal-Mart I'm talking about here; yours might not be the same one.) That means each machine's IP address on the LAN Usually you can assign a static ip to the LAN machines using the MAC address, check advanced setup in router(i think, not sure). Not on this one, unless I'm just blind. I can't find any way to do it. All I can do is look at the DHCP table and see what it assigned to what. Q: Why would a router slow down a connection? I have no idea. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Listing Files - Permissions in Octal?
On Sunday 18 July 2004 02:35 pm, Thomas Adam wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I generate a directory listing, including permissions represented in octal, instead of r, w, x? Use stat to piece it together: [EMAIL PROTECTED] n6tadam]$ stat -c '%a %A %G %U %N' * 644 -rw-r--r-- n6tadam n6tadam `trymr' 644 -rw-r--r-- n6tadam n6tadam `trytrytry.wav' Interesting. If somebody had shown me that a long time ago, I wouldn't be having to keep up with my forked version of ls. :) -ls -O /tmp/foo* 640 -rw-r-1 silvan silvan 6606 Jun 20 03:22 /tmp/foo.ps Maybe I'll finally let it die. I'm really tired of keeping up with it, and the idea just never caught anybody's eye. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Listing Files - Permissions in Octal?
On Sunday 18 July 2004 05:23 pm, John Summerfield wrote: -ls -O /tmp/foo* 640 -rw-r-1 silvan silvan 6606 Jun 20 03:22 /tmp/foo.ps Maybe I'll finally let it die. I'm really tired of keeping up with it, and the idea just never caught anybody's eye. Did you try offering it as a patch? I'd vote in favour of it:-) More people will find way to do it if ls does than find the oddly-named stat. I did, but I was a complete n00b back then, and I didn't argue my case very hard. I don't think GNU took me seriously at all. The patch won't apply to the newer coreutils, or whatever it's called now, and I never have gotten around to fixing it. I played with dpkg-divert instead. It's handy though. I miss it when I work on other people's machines. :( -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to sweep hard disk of confidential data
On Sunday 18 July 2004 06:52 pm, Doug Holland wrote: If the answer is yes (usually we're talking about government contractors with classified data), then the only answer is to physically destroy the hard disk's platters. Yeah, and I guess at that you'd have to *really* destroy the platters. Cutting a hard drive in half with a bandsaw is fun, but it sounds like these guys might be able to recover something from it even at that. I guess you'd have to melt it down. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Err, how do I turn off screen blanking
On Sunday 18 July 2004 08:48 pm, Randy W. Sims wrote: How do I turn off or customize the time out for the screen saver that blanks the screen? I thought it might be part of the power management features, but couldn't find any docs. Note: this is the blanking that occurs both at the console and within X, it's not the screen saver. In KDE, anyway, kcontrol - Power Control - Display Power Management seems to do the trick. I haven't had the monitor blank since I turned that off. Of course, that's useless if you're not using KDE, so that suggestion might not get you anywhere at all. The blanking that occurs on the consoles (but not xterms) can be turned of with setterm -blank 0 -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Silvan] Re: Console font change on startup - breaks laptop
On Friday 16 July 2004 01:25 am, Chris wrote: Plus /etc/rcS.d rcS.d?! Wow. I feel stupid. I grew up on Mandrake, but I've been running Debian exclusively for around two years, and I never noticed that was there before. I guess I read over the how Debian does init stuff a bit too quickly! :\ S60svgatextmode And after looking at that list I suspect S60svgatextmode :-) Will remove it and see if it helps :-) That does look like an obvious suspect, and I definitely don't have it installed. I saw your other message about how you had it listed as rc and I'm not sure what to make of that. Broken packages with an uninstall script that didn't? Does that symlink actually point to anything? I'd try to dpkg --purge it anyway. Silvan On a whim, if you're running gpm, try getting rid of it Silvan first. I'm not sure why I suspect gpm, but if you are... Happens if I boot to kdm, xdm etc. No, gpm. gpm - General Purpose Mouse Interface It has caused me a good bit of trouble every time I've fooled with it. Never any trouble like this though, granted. It was just a wild thought. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Color Distortion in KDE
On Tuesday 13 July 2004 02:35 pm, Ralph Crongeyer wrote: Same here. I have four systems, three Dell desktops (2 Optiplex GX1's and a OptiPlex GX270) and a toshiba Laptop all four with Nvidia video cards that have the same problem. Turning off transparency fixes the menus, but I also still get the odd orange effect when selecting desktop icons or icons in Konqueror. Add a... Um. ? I forgot, really. VIA something, probably. It's a VIA mobo with a VIA CPU. (I had to look at that twice. VIA CPU? Smells like quality with a capital K to me.) Anyway, it showed up on that box too. So it's not chipset-related, it doesn't look like. I wonder what's broken? libsomeflummy, doubtless. -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problems using JACK
On Friday 16 July 2004 01:33 pm, rich lott wrote: First, is it right that you pretty much have to run jack (and therefore all audio apps) as root? I can't get it started as any other user - it starts but the clients can't find it. No, you don't *have* to. If you don't run it in realtime mode, you can run everything out of userland. That will impair your performance. You have to decide what's most important to you. I run everything in userland, and live with what I get, because I can't be bothered to become a Linux audio expert. To get more, I'd have to do far more research than it's worth to me. Second, is there anyway to get Arts to use Jack? (and then, any way to get ESD to use it?) I don't think so, no. Call me radical, but I thought it would be really good if all my apps which make sounds could...well, make sounds, without interfering with/blocking eachother. It would be nice if everything supported JACK. Perhaps that will be the case someday. I like jack because I play with hydrogen and audacity and so I appreciate the low latency. Do you actually have that working somehow? Audacity hasn't worked with JACK in ages, and it isn't working here now. I've had to start using sweep and rezound for audio editing, since I need JACK running. There doesn't seem to be much on the net about jack, perhaps it's too young yet? Exactly. If there are any easy, simple answers out there, google is doing a good job of keeping them from me, as well. There's amazing work being done, but you really still have to be a Linux audio insider to understand most of the discussion. Latency scheduling capabilities blmphf realtime blrfl xruns blah, wake me up when stupid people can use it too. :) -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bash equivalent to DOS /p
There's also the important point that this does something somewhat different:-) 21 :) -find ~ -name 1 /home/silvan/1 /home/silvan/data/swf/1 /home/silvan/pixmaps/1 -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Silvan] Re: Console font change on startup - breaks laptop
On Wednesday 14 July 2004 03:54 am, Chris wrote: Sounds like you're booting into a framebuffer mode that your desktop can cope with and your laptop cannot. Possible - but then the laptop would never manage the change would it not? It does manage it after a couple of reboots or so. I get the feeling that it's just dodgy rather than fully non-supported. Fair enough. It's never the easy thing that first jumps to mind, is it? :) When the console font changes. It changes from standard 80x25 to something else (not sure what - quite a lot smaller characters). Before this started happening the switch to gdm was O. While you're sitting there watching it, the console actually changes video modes/fonts/whatever in the middle of booting up, before GDM starts? Interesting. That's a new one on me. I might be able to help you zero in on it because it seems likely whatever thing you're running that's causing that will be something I've never heard of. :) It's really not a half bad idea. If you can get the box that far, try posting the results of a ls -1 /etc/rc2.d (that was dash one, so it's easier to see them in order) and I'll see if anything jumps out at me. The only things I see in my own config that seem like they could possibly be contenders for something like this are xfs and xprint. Nothing else between S10sklogd and S99kdm looks remotely likely to do anything to the console, nor anything graphical. Other than that, about all I can think of is to try disabling things one by one until you discover the culprit. GDM is almost certainly also S99, so anything ahead of that is suspect. On a whim, if you're running gpm, try getting rid of it first. I'm not sure why I suspect gpm, but if you are... -- Michael McIntyre Silvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
