Re: REALLY OT: News Flash
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:40:03PM -0800, Michael M. wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 17:14 -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: I've only used Mutt for a day or so now, and I like to do more productive things with my time than learn random acronyms. But thanks for filling me in, that's one I'll be sure to not forget. Sometimes I think Linux is nothing but random acronyms. Usually recursive, random acronyms. You mean RRA's? -- hendrik Is that a new TLA? :@) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 23:53, Wulfy wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 but then again, storing it in underground bunkers for thousands of years doesn't appear to be a much better solution. Sure it does. Oh, yeah. Leave it for later generation to clean up... very much better. Except, when it's sealed in a mountain, later generation won't see it... I'll have to take your word for the baselessness of those sites I reference... after all, I don't live there, so it *should* only peripherally affect me. As for the quote above, yes, they won't see it.. unless they start mining, or there's an earthquake or erosion... no-one can guarantee that that won't happen. Especially with the climate changes that are happening. And no, I'm not suggesting that any other form of power generation is better, they all have problems, but blatant this is safe arguments are... short-sighted. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: REALLY OT: News Flash
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 07:49, Vibhav Sharma wrote: another collection of stories and nothing more seem more likely. Of course this too is just another view but more viewpoints are always useful ... right? Nope. Belief in religion is a viewpoint, but we don't need more religions. How many do we need? -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: REALLY OT: News Flash
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 10:10, Wulfy wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/26/07 07:49, Vibhav Sharma wrote: another collection of stories and nothing more seem more likely. Of course this too is just another view but more viewpoints are always useful ... right? Nope. Belief in religion is a viewpoint, but we don't need more religions. How many do we need? Zero. But I have no hope of that happening. Hopefully, as much chance as the Christians and Muslims have of One World Religion. :@) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: REALLY OT: News Flash
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 10:31, Wulfy wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/26/07 10:10, Wulfy wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/26/07 07:49, Vibhav Sharma wrote: another collection of stories and nothing more seem more likely. Of course this too is just another view but more viewpoints are always useful ... right? Nope. Belief in religion is a viewpoint, but we don't need more religions. How many do we need? Zero. But I have no hope of that happening. Hopefully, as much chance as the Christians and Muslims have of One World Religion. :@) Do you think that One World Religion would be a Good Thing? Gods, no! All nice little Robots in lock-step? shudder -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: REALLY OT: News Flash
Steve Lamb wrote: The Theist is claiming to have answers, that they are right, absolutely. Not all Theists believe in Absolute Truth... but then again, not all Theists are Monotheists. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Ooh. Don't even get me started on nuclear power. Cheap, clean, virtually unlimited. We can't use it *because* of the conservationists and environmentalists. Regards, -Roberto Decommissioning nuclear plant... storage of nuclear waste... clean? hardly. Chernobyl.., 3 Mile Island... how many people now have cancer because of your clean power source? -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 21:39, Wulfy wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Ooh. Don't even get me started on nuclear power. Cheap, clean, virtually unlimited. We can't use it *because* of the conservationists and environmentalists. Regards, -Roberto Decommissioning nuclear plant... storage of nuclear waste... clean? hardly. Chernobyl.., 3 Mile Island... how many people now have cancer because of your clean power source? Ok, I give up. How many people *have* died of cancer from the TMI non-China Syndrome? As for Chernobyl, well, what do you expect from Commie Pinko Atheists? http://www.american.edu/ted/SELLA.HTM Sellafield is just up the coast from me. This is a well run plant in a Christian country... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 22:01, Wulfy wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/25/07 21:39, Wulfy wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Ooh. Don't even get me started on nuclear power. Cheap, clean, virtually unlimited. We can't use it *because* of the conservationists and environmentalists. Regards, -Roberto Decommissioning nuclear plant... storage of nuclear waste... clean? hardly. Chernobyl.., 3 Mile Island... how many people now have cancer because of your clean power source? Ok, I give up. How many people *have* died of cancer from the TMI non-China Syndrome? As for Chernobyl, well, what do you expect from Commie Pinko Atheists? http://www.american.edu/ted/SELLA.HTM Sellafield is just up the coast from me. Sellafield != TMI. nope. It's a Nuclear plant that is polluting NOW. And not by accident. This is a well run plant in Dumping nuclear waste doesn't seem very well-run to me! Obviously you missed my quotation marks. It doesn't seem well run to me, either... but then again, storing it in underground bunkers for thousands of years doesn't appear to be a much better solution. The point is that TMI and Chernobyl were accidents. Sellafield isn't. Nuclear policy overrides safety when it's convenient - quote The Sellafield nuclear installation in north-west England produces vital energy to the people of the United Kingdom. It also produces weapons grade material needed for the production of nuclear weapons. For these reasons, Sellafield is an important facility for the U.K. in terms of domestic and security needs. Although Sellafield provides important services for the people and government of the United Kingdom, it has had a detrimental effect on the environment. /quote Because it's important it's allowed to pollute. And while it produces vital energy for the UK, it hurts Ireland which has none of the benefits of this facility. a Christian country... Britain is Christian?? Not since 1960, I wager. We have a State Church... something that you don't have... yet. Though, if your president has his way... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 but then again, storing it in underground bunkers for thousands of years doesn't appear to be a much better solution. Sure it does. Oh, yeah. Leave it for later generation to clean up... very much better. The point is that TMI and Chernobyl were accidents. Sellafield isn't. Nuclear policy overrides safety when it's convenient - *Any* policy *always* overrides safety when it's convenient. If you don't know that, you aren't very old. Which is precisely my point. It's always convenient... so how can it be clean? quote The Sellafield nuclear installation in north-west England produces vital energy to the people of the United Kingdom. It also produces weapons grade material needed for the production of nuclear weapons. For these reasons, Sellafield is an important facility for the U.K. in terms of domestic and security needs. Although Sellafield provides important services for the people and government of the United Kingdom, it has had a detrimental effect on the environment. /quote Because it's important it's allowed to pollute. And while it produces vital energy for the UK, it hurts Ireland which has none of the benefits of this facility. And if this were some industrial plant dumping PCBs or DDT or any other weird organic chemical the ocean, how would it be any different than a nuke plant? It wouldn't. except perhaps if the toxins didn't last as long as the nuclear material. a Christian country... Britain is Christian?? Not since 1960, I wager. We have a State Church... something that you don't have... yet. Though, if your president has his way... Snarky, baseless, brainless angry-at-W comments don't help your credibility. You mean he isn't trying make your country a theocracy? woohoo! Such a lot of baseless rumours going about. http://www.theocracywatch.org/ http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/books/review/19brink.html?ex=1300424400en=b418049d5787048dei=5088partner=rssnytemc=rss http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5290373 -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Booting Debian/testing fails
Celejar wrote: A common problem with linux gui tools is that they are often really just simple front ends to the cli tools, and they often aren't really easier to use than them; if the user doesn't have a pretty good understanding of the underlying cli tool he'll be stuck even in the gui, and if he does he'll find it simpler to just use the cli tool directly. True. But in a GUI, you can separate options into functional groups, have a help button which can explain those options, access to the documentation (if any such exists in English, rather than Advanced Technicalese) and so on. There are, of course, many good guis for which the above doesn't hold. Celejar Aye. I wish there were more... :@) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Booting Debian/testing fails
Chris Bannister wrote: For example, I prefer to set up my system the way I want to, I don't want a GUI whereas a newbie doesn't understand a computer without one. Already you have a conflict. I don't think it's quite that simple. Just because someone prefers to set up [his] system the way [he] wants to doesn't necessarily mean [he doesn't] want a GUI. To some of us, GUI tools are more intuitive than the opaque, cryptic command line tools. Now if only we had *more* GUI tools (that weren't crippled 'cos they're for clueless newbies(tm)) not instead of, but as well as the command line tools (for those who prefer cryptic and opaque)... ;@) To stop any confusion. I'm not afraid of the CLI. I have been using computers for 30 years. I just *prefer* to see what I'm doing and all the options I have without having to look up the man page (another cryptic and opaque part of the system) every time. The only time one *must* use the CLI is when X is down. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Booting Debian/testing fails
Glenn Becker wrote: To some of us, GUI tools are more intuitive than the opaque, cryptic command line tools. I appreciate your point(s) but to others of us the CLI is neither opaque nor cryptic. Choices is what it's all about - for me. G Which was the point of the bit you snipped... not instead of but as well... :@) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dialup connectivity problem
Zach wrote: On 1/24/07, Hugo Vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This ISP switched to v.92 protocol and my old modem would not connect. The ISP said nothing, but with a new v.02 analog modem the connections are a lot better. If it is the modem protocol why can it sometimes stay connected for 3 hours and other times only 15 or 20 minutes before it disconnects? Do you think if I buy a new model of external serial modem it will stop disconnecting? Did my syslog file look good in terms of logging everything I can? Zach Another thing to check is the line quality. If your line has a lot of noise on it, the connection can get lost that way and would degrade the speed before that. On bad days, I get speeds down to 9600, varying lengths of time on-line, then the system misses 4 pings to the ISP and disconnects. Of course, even on a good day, every two hours my ISP dumps me... I think they call it load sharing... I call it lame... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dependancy problem
I want to install jEdit 4.3pre9. I downloaded the deb from the download link given on the jedit.org site. When I try to dpkg -i jedit..., I get an error because it's dependant on sun-java5 and I have sun-java6 installed. How can I get it to accept sun-java5 *or later*? I run Sarge, though the Java package is from unstable. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dependancy problem
Wulfy wrote: I want to install jEdit 4.3pre9. I downloaded the deb from the download link given on the jedit.org site. When I try to dpkg -i jedit..., I get an error because it's dependant on sun-java5 and I have sun-java6 installed. How can I get it to accept sun-java5 *or later*? I run Sarge, though the Java package is from unstable. I clicked on the icon for jEdit. It runs but dpkg thinks it's not configured. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dependancy problem
Kevin Ross wrote: Check out the equivs package. -- Kevin Thanks, Kevin! -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Root privilege (SOLVED)
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 11:31:32AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Yes, this is the right word. GUIs frequently sacrifice security, flexibility and functionality in favor of being relatively drool-proof. Sacrificing security at the root level is never the brightest idea around. Of course, some things simply cannot be done without a GUI. Or at least they cannot be done efficiently. Regards, -Roberto I've seen people before say that there are things that can't be done in a GUI, but most of the GUIs seem to be crippled in one way or another that is not inherent in their GUIness. Can you give me an example of something that can't be done (even if only efficiently) in a properly written GUI with a working X Window System? I accept that X may have to be restarted after the action. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ignore additional launches
Mark Grieveson wrote: Is there a way to have applications that are opening ignore subsequent requests to open? Mark Using Sarge here. May be different if you have Etch... Right-click on the icon. Click on Properties. Open the application tab. Open Advanced Options. At the bottom there is a list labelled DCOP registration choose single instance... Hope that helps... :@) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flashplayer9?
Wulfy wrote: I found references to v.7 in ~/.mozilla/firefox/pluginreg.dat but I really don't know how to change that without screwing everything up. One of the references pointed to a now non-existent directory under /usr/lib... I fixed the problem... reinstalled v.7. I have sound back... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flashplayer9?
Marc Shapiro wrote: Wulfy wrote: Wulfy wrote: I found references to v.7 in ~/.mozilla/firefox/pluginreg.dat but I really don't know how to change that without screwing everything up. One of the references pointed to a now non-existent directory under /usr/lib... I fixed the problem... reinstalled v.7. I have sound back... I don't remember if this was mentioned before, but you are aware that v9 requires alsa, or it will silently fail. I have Alsa. Sound works elsewhere, just not in v9. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flashplayer9?
Ron Johnson wrote: Dumb question: have you restarted FF? Yes. I stopped FF before making the changes. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flashplayer9?
Marc Shapiro wrote: I don't appear to have ANY version of flash currently installed -- $ aptitude search flash p flashplayer-mozilla - Macromedia Flash Player p flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player plugin installer p flashybrid - automates use of a flash disk as the root p libflash-dev- GPL Flash (SWF) Library - development file p libflash-mozplugin - GPL Flash (SWF) Library - Mozilla-compatib p libflash-swfplayer - GPL Flash (SWF) Library - stand-alone play p libflash0c2 - GPL Flash (SWF) Library - shared library p libroxen-flash2 - Flash2 module for the Roxen Challenger web p m16c-flash - Flash programmer for Renesas M16C and R8C p newsflash - gets news with the newnews command from a p vrflash - tool to flash kernels and romdisks to Agen and /$ locate libflashplayer.so /mnt/Sarge/usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so /mnt/Sarge/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so /mnt/Sarge/usr/lib/mozilla-snapshot-remove/plugins/libflashplayer.so /mnt/Sarge/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so /mnt/Sarge/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/share/libflashplayer.so /mnt/Sarge/usr/lib/netscape/plugins-libc6/libflashplayer.so /mnt/Sarge/usr/lib/opera/plugins/libflashplayer.so These are all on my Sarge partitions. The only plugin in /usr/local/lib/firefox/plugins is libnullplugin.so. But the site above loads and plays. How, if I don't have any flashplayer installed? Does firefox 2.0 have some version of flash compiled in? I found references to v.7 in ~/.mozilla/firefox/pluginreg.dat but I really don't know how to change that without screwing everything up. One of the references pointed to a now non-existent directory under /usr/lib... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
flashplayer9?
I got fed up with messages on sites saying please update your flashplayer. so, not finding a deb for it, I googled and found this page; http://wizah.blogspot.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-flash-9.html I followed the instructions on that page, purged all the debs for flashplayer, installed the .so and restarted Firefox. Firefox still insists it has the v.7 player. It also says way down on about:config that it has the v.9 player. Sites like http://www.bagbybeowulf.com/video/index.html still say I have to update... How do I get FF to forget about v.7??? -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flashplayer9?
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/14/06 15:09, Wulfy wrote: I got fed up with messages on sites saying please update your flashplayer. so, not finding a deb for it, I googled and found this page; http://wizah.blogspot.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-flash-9.html I followed the instructions on that page, purged all the debs for flashplayer, installed the .so and restarted Firefox. Firefox still insists it has the v.7 player. It also says way down on about:config that it has the v.9 player. Sites like http://www.bagbybeowulf.com/video/index.html still say I have to update... How do I get FF to forget about v.7??? $ wajig policy flashplugin-nonfree flashplugin-nonfree: Installed: 9.0.21.78.3 Candidate: 9.0.21.78.3 Version table: *** 9.0.21.78.3 0 500 ftp://mirrors.kernel.org unstable/contrib Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA I saw the etch/sid deb... I'm running sarge The dependencies seemed to be very different. I thought it would be unsafe to install that deb. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flashplayer9?
Kent West wrote: You probably still have the ver7 .so in one of the plugins paths for Firefox. Do a locate libflashplayer.so and rename/move any that you aren't confident is the v.9 version out of any relevant plugins directories. I used locate to find all the libflashplayer.so's. Most are symlinks to the /usr/lib/Mozilla/plugin directory where the real .so is. On an aside, I tried a beta of 9; audio would often lock into a repeating stutter, but someone pointed me to a more recent beta, and most of the audio problems went away. But there were still enough irritations that I've gone back to 7, and when I come across a site that needs 9, more often than not, that site loses my eyeballs. Occasionally I'll quickly flip over to 9 (I just rename-swap the 7 and 9 versions of the file and restart FF). I tried FF on a site[0] that worked with the v.7 plugin. The v.9 plugin was called (obviously as it's the only one on my system now) but there was no sound. [0] http://www.wirral-mbc.gov.uk/Vikings/storyindex.shtml (all the scenes open into full page flash objects.) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flashplayer9?
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/14/06 16:31, Wulfy wrote: I saw the etch/sid deb... I'm running sarge The dependencies seemed to be very different. I thought it would be unsafe to install that deb. Ah, ok. I think I'd locate libflashplayer.so and rm them. Then follow debian-how-to-flash-9.html. Hi, Ron. Thanks for your help. I did that. FF still lists the v.7 player (along with the v.9). No sound on one site that used to play fine with v.7. Haven't tested with others, though. I can never find a site when I need one! ;@) Sarge is kinda old, though. Does it meet FP9's minimum requirements? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Hmmm... didn't consider that. I looked on the Adobe site and the only thing I don't have is 128MB of graphics memory... my card is ancient. Still, it does appear to play, though without sound. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Media player
Brian Durant wrote: On 11/29/06, matthew yee-king [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Durant wrote: On 11/29/06, Виталий Ищенко [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sarge main Sorry, I am a newbie. What would Etch be? deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch testing (???) I have deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main mplayer seems to play the most different formats, esp when you have the w32codecs package installed. It's also very efficient. It can't fast forward some avi files when you don't have the whole file though, unlike totem-xine. The mplayer plugin seems to work for realplayer content e.g. bbc as well. mplayer also supports streaming over rtsp. cheers - matthew Weird. It doesn't work for me: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.debian-multimedia.org_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) I wonder what is going on? Is it my system or is it the repositories? Cheers, Brian The only time I see that message is either when I haven't updated (or the update failed) after a change in sources.list... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Media player
Brian Durant wrote: On 11/29/06, Wulfy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Durant wrote: On 11/29/06, matthew yee-king [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Durant wrote: On 11/29/06, Виталий Ищенко [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sarge main Sorry, I am a newbie. What would Etch be? deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch testing (???) I have deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main mplayer seems to play the most different formats, esp when you have the w32codecs package installed. It's also very efficient. It can't fast forward some avi files when you don't have the whole file though, unlike totem-xine. The mplayer plugin seems to work for realplayer content e.g. bbc as well. mplayer also supports streaming over rtsp. cheers - matthew Weird. It doesn't work for me: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.debian-multimedia.org_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) I wonder what is going on? Is it my system or is it the repositories? Cheers, Brian The only time I see that message is either when I haven't updated (or the update failed) after a change in sources.list... -- Blessings Wulfmann OK, maybe I am posting the wrong error message? Here is what I get after I update in Synaptic: http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/debian-multimedia/dists/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found It looks to me like the path is correct, however I am a newbie so... am I doing something wrong? Cheers, Brian The error appears to be that there are two dists in the URL. Only one is needed: http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/debian-multimedia/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Is your sources.list entry like this?: deb http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/debian-multimedia/ etch main -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Badly formed dpkg-status entry.
Rogério Brito wrote: Hi, Wulfy. On Oct 16 2006, Wulfy wrote: In my cron-monthly e-mail I got this message; /etc/cron.monthly/vrms: vrms: ERROR- Badly formed dpkg-status entry #74! pkg=[sysutils], pkgstatus=[install ok installed], section=[] vrms: ERROR- Badly formed dpkg-status entry #1603! pkg=[xjig], pkgstatus=[install ok installed], section=[] I have not seen this in a while (I'm currently maintaining vrms). One weird thing is that the section field of your packages are empty (they should not be, AFAIK). What can I do to fix this? Which distribution are you using? The newer distributions (testing, unstable) have newer versions of vrms which are slightly more robust (and have additional features). Hope this helps in any way, Rogério. Hi, Rogério! I'm on Sarge with some backports.org and debian-multimedia stuff. I'll probably be updating to Etch once it's gone stable. I noticed the empty sections but I didn't know if they were significant. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Badly formed dpkg-status entry.
In my cron-monthly e-mail I got this message; /etc/cron.monthly/vrms: vrms: ERROR- Badly formed dpkg-status entry #74! pkg=[sysutils], pkgstatus=[install ok installed], section=[] vrms: ERROR- Badly formed dpkg-status entry #1603! pkg=[xjig], pkgstatus=[install ok installed], section=[] What can I do to fix this? -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how could i scan more cds after installation to use as mirrors ?
Jabka Atu wrote: Hello... i'd like to add more cds to my debian installation. now i have only 1 cd and i wish to add more 3 dvds. thnx in advance. apt-cdrom will add the cdroms to your sources.list. Not sure about dvds. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian Weekly News?
I haven't had the last two edition of Debian Weekly News. I thought that I'd somehow become unsubscribed from the list, but when I went to the site, it seems I have all of them and the October editions that I'm missing haven't been sent. Any idea what's wrong? The only thing I can think of is pressure from the upcoming release of Etch... I really enjoy reading about what's going on and miss my DWN... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Weekly News?
Joshua J. Kugler wrote: On Friday 13 October 2006 11:43, Wulfy wrote: I haven't had the last two edition of Debian Weekly News. I thought that I'd somehow become unsubscribed from the list, but when I went to the site, it seems I have all of them and the October editions that I'm missing haven't been sent. Any idea what's wrong? The only thing I can think of is pressure from the upcoming release of Etch... I really enjoy reading about what's going on and miss my DWN... From the September 26 DWN: As Debian experiments with funding, the author of DWN is going to experiment with spending less time on Debian. Please understand that due to this there may be no future issues of DWN in the current form or that they will only be released less frequently. j Thanks, Joshua! I completely missed that. :( -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Weekly News?
Joey Hess wrote: I've considered taking over writing DWN again (if you're confused, I'm the other Joey who originally started it in '99). However, it's not clear to me that DWN is still relevant enough to be worth the large amount of work it takes to maintain it[1]. A lot of communication is done on Planet Debian, wikis and in other forms that were not around when DWN was started, and that may be a better way to keep up with what's going on in Debian than DWN. The problem with this is the same as the problem with fora vs. mailing lists. DWN comes to me... with Planet Debian and the rest, I have to go to them to find out if there's anything of interest to me -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Weekly News?
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 01:30:12AM +0100, Wulfy wrote: The problem with this is the same as the problem with fora vs. mailing lists. DWN comes to me... with Planet Debian and the rest, I have to go to them to find out if there's anything of interest to me With Planet Debian and the rest, you can just use RSS aggregation. Regards, -Roberto Thanks, Roberto! -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with gnupg, apt-get says 'no pubkey found...'
michael wrote: I get a similar error to the OP... any ideas? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo apt-get update Password: Get:1 ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org unstable Release.gpg [189B] Get:2 ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org unstable Release [79.6kB] Ign ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org unstable Release Get:3 ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org unstable/main Packages [4386kB] Get:4 ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org unstable/non-free Packages [87.5kB] Get:5 ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org unstable/contrib Packages [62.6kB] Fetched 4615kB in 3m38s (21.1kB/s) Reading package lists... Done W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ As root (or sudo): gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 010908312D230C5F gpg --armor --export 010908312D230C5F | apt-key add - -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: following an ssh chain
Marty Landman wrote: I've got 3 'nix boxes on my office lan. Sometimes I'll open an ssh session to one of them from my windoz workstation, then ssh from that session to another, then the the third. Anyone know of a simple way for me to know where I'm at? IOW hostname will always tell me which box my session is currently on, but how can I find that I started on moe, the ssh'd to curly, and finally from curly ssh'd over to shemp? Gets things are just a little slow right now. :) Marty I was reading about something like this recently in an old issue of Linux Gazette. Issue #14 2¢ Tip More on Xterm Titlebar Tip. You can put your current $HOSTNAME and such in the Title Bar. http://linuxgazette.net/issue14/lg_tips14.html#xterm Hope this helps... :) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Libcap problem in Snort installation
Alejandro wrote: Dear all, I have a Debian Etch system. After I download the Snort 2.6 tarball and I do tar -xzvf, I execute ./configure --with-mysql and I get this error message: ERROR! Libpcap library/headers not found, go get it from http://www.tcpdump.org or use the --with-libpcap-* options, if you have it installed ^ in unusual place I have the following libcap Debian packages: libcap-bin 1.10-14 , libcap-dev 1.10-14 , libcap1 1.10-14 , libcapi20-3 3.9.20060704-2 and libcapi20-dev 3.9.20060704-2 and the command whereis libcap give me yhis result: libcap: /lib/libcap.a /lib/libcap.so What can be the problem ??? How can I install Snort in my Debian Etch ??? Thanks a lot and greetings, Alejandro I think you'll find the problem is that libcap (kernel capability) is not the same package as libpcap (package capture)... apt-cache search libcap apt-cache show libcapversion apt-cache search libpcap apt-cache show libpcapversion The searches will give you the version numbers in Etch. I use Sarge so I can't tell you what versions you'll have. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dpkg segfaults installing locales: [SOLVED]?
Wulfy wrote: I have a problem. While updating, dpkg segfaults while configuring locales. The error message is: /usr/sbin/locale-gen: line 41: 6634 Illegal instruction localedef -i $input -c -f $charset -A /etc/locale.alias $locale dpkg: error processing locales (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 132 Errors were encountered while processing: locales E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Ack! Something bad happened while installing packages. Trying to recover: then it tries again and eventually the whole machine freezes and I have to hard boot. I've tried all the variations of install [aptitude, apt-get, dpkg]. I followed the instructions and ran dpkg --configure -a. I even forced the removal of locales using dpkg, then reinstalled by aptitude. It keeps doing this and I have no idea what to do now. With the illegal instruction I can only assume one of the variables isn't getting set. Linux Yewdales-lodge 2.6.8-3-k7 #1 Sat Jul 15 09:58:38 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux locales (2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4) I ran dpkg -force-all -P locales then aptitude install locales. That cleared the blockage as I had to answer the config questions again. Still don't know why it bombed out like that... :( -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Email programs that work.
Derek Martin wrote: On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 02:28:24AM +0300, Micha Feigin wrote: Right now, on my system, t-bird is using 76MB RES 200MB VIRT memory. :( And I thought that sylpheed-claws-gtk2 is using too much at 17MB resources and 38MB virtual. Reminds me why I stopped using T-bird and a bunch of others. PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND 18782 foo 15 0 3360 3356 1704 S 0.0 2.6 0:04 0 mutt This is one huge advantage of Mutt. The memory footprint is unbelievably small, particularly in light of how much power it offers. But that is not a fair comparison with T-bird... what about all the other programs you must use to get the same functionality? -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dpkg segfaults installing locales
I have a problem. While updating, dpkg segfaults while configuring locales. The error message is: /usr/sbin/locale-gen: line 41: 6634 Illegal instruction localedef -i $input -c -f $charset -A /etc/locale.alias $locale dpkg: error processing locales (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 132 Errors were encountered while processing: locales E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Ack! Something bad happened while installing packages. Trying to recover: then it tries again and eventually the whole machine freezes and I have to hard boot. I've tried all the variations of install [aptitude, apt-get, dpkg]. I followed the instructions and ran dpkg --configure -a. I even forced the removal of locales using dpkg, then reinstalled by aptitude. It keeps doing this and I have no idea what to do now. With the illegal instruction I can only assume one of the variables isn't getting set. Linux Yewdales-lodge 2.6.8-3-k7 #1 Sat Jul 15 09:58:38 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux locales (2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dpkg segfaults installing locales
Wulfy wrote: then it tries again and eventually the whole machine freezes and I have to hard boot. On one of the runs, it segfaulted. I think it was one of the first runs. Seemed to be at different places. Onvce again, I'm way out of my depth... though that has deepened in the last year. :) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Email programs that work.
Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2006-08-26 11:30:33, schrieb Wulfy: It does lack a decent GUI... runs and hides Oh yes, running BALSA, KMAIL and such in a ssh terminal and a 486dx40/12MB =8O Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack I don't use ssh. My box is a K7, not a 486... I have 512MB of RAM. And I *like* GUIs... :@þ -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Email programs that work.
s. keeling wrote: Matej Cepl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Michelle Konzack wrote: Thunderbird - Copies entire message at reply. Works fine on my box. Balsa - Copies entire message at reply. I have tried the suggested Ctrl Kmail - Configured it, and got test messages in and out then it started Evolution - Configured it, and got test messages in and out then it Those are not MUA's but nightmares Try Mutt ;-) I have used mutt for couple of years and found it lacking so I switched to mutt lacking?!? And you accuse Michelle of being a troll?!? You're an idiot. HTH. Twit. It does lack a decent GUI... runs and hides -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wxWidgets versus gtkmm
Micha Feigin wrote: Also, AFAIK qt draws all it's own widgets (buttons, lists, etc.) itself while wxwidgets uses local ones (which is gtk under linux, native everywhere else). Is gtk native to all Linux but KDE? Or is it just native to GNOME? -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why sarge can't power off PC
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Fri, Aug 1 well, my experience with a power-up not catching ended up being a failing mobo. I think it can come from failing memory too. I think it can also come from a failing power supply that doesn't give enough juice over all the lines resulting in some parts of the mobo/chipset/proc not powering up properly. ymmv. A I had the though of a not-powerful-enough power supply in the back of my mind. I hope it's that... I think I could manage to replace that. Memory seems to be OK, at least it passes memtest86+ tests... Thanks for your help! -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why sarge can't power off PC
Florian Kulzer wrote: ACPI seems to be broken for you. Are there any helpful error messages during boot? Try to run dmesg | grep -i acpi ACPI can be a real pain in the neck on some hardware. Your best bet is probably to go to tuxmobil.org and see how far other people have gotten with your laptop model and what tricks they had to use. But my system is a desktop, not a laptop... now I'm really confused... :( -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why sarge can't power off PC
Florian Kulzer wrote: ACPI seems to be broken for you. Are there any helpful error messages during boot? Try to run dmesg | grep -i acpi ACPI can be a real pain in the neck on some hardware. Your best bet is probably to go to tuxmobil.org and see how far other people have gotten with your laptop model and what tricks they had to use. Here's my output... [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dmesg | grep -i acpi BIOS-e820: 1fff - 1fff8000 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 1fff8000 - 2000 (ACPI NVS) ACPI: RSDP (v000 AMI ) @ 0x000fa1d0 ACPI: RSDT (v001 AMIINT SiS740XX 0x1000 MSFT 0x010b) @ 0x1fff ACPI: FADT (v001 AMIINT SiS740XX 0x0011 MSFT 0x010b) @ 0x1fff0030 ACPI: MADT (v001 AMIINT SiS740XX 0x1000 MSFT 0x010b) @ 0x1fff00c0 ACPI: DSDT (v001SiS 740 0x0100 MSFT 0x010d) @ 0x ACPI: PM-Timer IO Port: 0x808 ACPI: Local APIC address 0xfee0 ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x01] lapic_id[0x00] enabled) ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0x01] high edge lint[0x1]) ACPI: IOAPIC (id[0x02] address[0xfec0] gsi_base[0]) ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 0 global_irq 2 high edge) ACPI: IRQ0 used by override. ACPI: IRQ2 used by override. ACPI: IRQ9 used by override. Using ACPI (MADT) for SMP configuration information [My processor is an AMD Duron... not SMP] ACPI: Subsystem revision 20040326 ACPI: Interpreter enabled ACPI: Using IOAPIC for interrupt routing ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (00:00) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0._PRT] ACPI: Power Resource [URP1] (off) ACPI: Power Resource [URP2] (off) ACPI: Power Resource [FDDP] (off) ACPI: Power Resource [LPTP] (off) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 3 4 5 7 10 *11 12 14 15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs 3 4 5 7 10 11 12 14 15) *0, disabled. ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs 3 4 5 7 *10 11 12 14 15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] (IRQs 3 4 *5 7 10 11 12 14 15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKE] (IRQs 3 4 *5 7 10 11 12 14 15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKF] (IRQs 3 4 *5 7 10 11 12 14 15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKG] (IRQs 3 4 5 7 10 11 12 14 15) *0, disabled. ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKH] (IRQs 3 4 *5 7 10 11 12 14 15) PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing ACPI: PCI interrupt :00:02.1[B] - GSI 17 (level, low) - IRQ 169 ACPI: PCI interrupt :00:02.7[C] - GSI 18 (level, low) - IRQ 177 ACPI: PCI interrupt :00:03.0[A] - GSI 20 (level, low) - IRQ 185 ACPI: PCI interrupt :00:03.1[B] - GSI 21 (level, low) - IRQ 193 ACPI: PCI interrupt :00:03.2[D] - GSI 23 (level, low) - IRQ 201 ACPI: PCI interrupt :00:04.0[A] - GSI 19 (level, low) - IRQ 209 ACPI: PCI interrupt :01:00.0[A] - GSI 16 (level, low) - IRQ 217 ACPI: (supports S0 S1 S4 S5) ACPI: PCI interrupt :00:04.0[A] - GSI 19 (level, low) - IRQ 209 ACPI: PCI interrupt :00:03.0[A] - GSI 20 (level, low) - IRQ 185 ACPI: PCI interrupt :00:03.1[B] - GSI 21 (level, low) - IRQ 193 ACPI: PCI interrupt :00:02.7[C] - GSI 18 (level, low) - IRQ 177 ACPI: PCI interrupt :00:03.2[D] - GSI 23 (level, low) - IRQ 201 ACPI: Processor [CPU1] (supports C1) ACPI: Power Button (FF) [PWRF] ACPI: Sleep Button (CM) [SLPB] ACPI: PCI interrupt :01:00.0[A] - GSI 16 (level, low) - IRQ 217 The power button script works... shuts me right down to off... nothing else in /etc/acpi. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why sarge can't power off PC
Florian Kulzer wrote: I see. I only hopped into this thread after the post in which you asked about the KDE power control settings and the error messages about the incomplete ACPI installation. From that I got the impression that you wanted to activate these laptop-specific ACPI features in KDE. I think it is normal that the battery and ac modules have no effect on a desktop machine. Sorry for the confusion. I now realize that your original question was about the shutdown/power off function. That seems to work again since you switched from APM to ACPI, so we are done, right? Well, half done. The reboot hangs after the keyboard lights flash and before the BIOS screen shows... I have to power off by the button and power on again. And that doesn't always work. Does ACPI do anything else for desktops apart from shut-down/reboot? There's a number of modules loaded. though some would be for laptops, I assume... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why sarge can't power off PC
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: Well, half done. The reboot hangs after the keyboard lights flash and before the BIOS screen shows... I have to power off by the button and power on again. And that doesn't always work. I've been watching this thread, and I think you might be facing a hardware problem there. If the machine goes for reboot and gets to the keyboard flash and nothing else, then you aren't into the software yet. Does powerup from a cold box cause intermittent problems like this too? A Hmm. I rarely shut-down the box unless there's a problem. I seem to recall that it sometimes doesn't catch the first time I boot from off. Definitely didn't notice a problem with that until recently, but,. as I say, I keep my box on all the time. I've been doing some reading and found out why it didn't always catch when I switched off then on... needs a couple of seconds before it recognises a change in the button, apparently. I did have a hard-drive die on me and a CDROM that refused to work. Fortunately there was nothing much on the hard-drive. I changed from nv to the nVidia driver to get 3D acceleration working. Those are the only things I can think oif that I've changed in the last couple of months or so... What do you suspect? -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why sarge can't power off PC
Liam O'Toole wrote: I don't know of a module called 'power'. Try this command to find power-related modules: find /lib/modules/$(uname-r) -name *power* I ran the command; [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name *power* /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/powernow-k6.ko /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/powernow-k7.ko /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/powernow-k8.ko /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-k7/kernel/drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq_powersave.ko /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-k7/kernel/drivers/usb/input/powermate.ko None of these show in lsmod. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why sarge can't power off PC
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 08:12:59AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 08 August 2006 22:54, Wulfy wrote: Is there any way to check the power supply's wattage without opening the case? Yes, but it generally requires lightning for approximately the same reasons changing a motherboard without opening the case requires high explosives. :o) uhh.. wouldn't the high explosive open the case? And how *would* you use lightning to measure the power supply's wattage? -- straight-man hendrik Hehe. Well, I asked Thor *not* to send lightening to my power supply... :) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why sarge can't power off PC
Florian Kulzer wrote: On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 19:23:55 +0100, Wulfy wrote: Liam O'Toole wrote: I don't know of a module called 'power'. Try this command to find power-related modules: find /lib/modules/$(uname-r) -name *power* I ran the command; [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name *power* /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/powernow-k6.ko /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/powernow-k7.ko /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/powernow-k8.ko /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-k7/kernel/drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq_powersave.ko /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-k7/kernel/drivers/usb/input/powermate.ko None of these show in lsmod. I mentioned power because I have /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.17/drivers/acpi/power.c It does not seem to be in 2.6.8, though, so I apologize for sending you on a wild goose chase. power.c appears in my /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/drivers/acpi/ folder, too... but not in the corresponding .../kernel-source-2.6.8-3/... or .../kernel-source-2.6.8-3-k7/... folders... Curiouser and curiouser, as Alice would say... :) Of course, when it comes to this sort of thing, I'm more monkey-see-monkey-do than understanding :) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why sarge can't power off PC
Florian Kulzer wrote: I think that KDE should recognize that the AC adapter and the battery ACPI modules are loaded. Let's check some ACPI functions: Do you have the /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/ and /proc/acpi/battery/ directories? Test if you can do things like: snip (The sub-directories might have different names on your system, but you should be able to get similar information about the AC adaptor and the battery.) I have both /proc/acpi/ac_adaptor and /proc/acpi/battery but both directories are empty. Other directories contain text files (info and others) but all these documents are empty. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why sarge can't power off PC
Liam O'Toole wrote: On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Serena Cantor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks! I use sarge's default kernel, 2.4. It seems that I would wait for Debian 4.0, which use kernel 2.6, in Dec, 2006 APM (Advanced Power Management) should work with that kernel. Is the apm module already loaded? What is the output of 'lsmod | grep apm'? If the module is not loaded, run the command 'modprobe apm power_off=1'. Add the line 'apm power_off=1' to /etc/modules so that the module will be loaded automatically the next time you boot. I have a similar problem. During the recent very hot weather here in the UK, my box kept crashing. So I had to reboot a lot. I noticed that when I hit the power switch, it didn't always catch, the power supply and fan started but the boot sequence didn't start. I had to power off and on again. Then for some routine maintenance, when I shut the machine down, it didn't power off... just to the black screen and the fans still running. When I reboot, it gets to the point of the keyboard lights flashing then stops screen powered down (light flashing rather than on) and I have to power off with the switch and power on again. It used to work at one time, I believe before I installed the k7 version of 2.6.8 - I'd had the 686 version before. I followed the above instructions and this is the result; Yewdales-lodge:~# modprobe apm power_off=1 FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device [The file, apm.ko, is there, I checked.] Yewdales-lodge:~# apm No APM support in kernel Any ideas how to get it back? The only things I can think of is some change in my BIOS or a udev problem... of course, it's really something of a mystery to me, so I could be wrong. If you need more info, please ask. My processor is an AMD Duron 1GHz. Yewdales-lodge:~# uname -a Linux Yewdales-lodge 2.6.8-3-k7 #1 Sat Jul 15 09:58:38 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why sarge can't power off PC
Liam O'Toole wrote: On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 19:39:59 +0100 Wulfy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a similar problem. During the recent very hot weather here in the UK, my box kept crashing. Not something we have to worry about very often :-) True! :) [...] I followed the above instructions and this is the result; Yewdales-lodge:~# modprobe apm power_off=1 FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device [The file, apm.ko, is there, I checked.] Yewdales-lodge:~# apm No APM support in kernel [...] I suspect that the kernel has acpi enabled. You can check by seeing if the directory /proc/acpi exists and is populated. To use apm, you will need to disable acpi. You do this by passing the argument 'acpi=off' to the kernel, either on the grub command line or in the grub configuration file, /boot/grub/menu.lst. (I'm assuming that you use grub; with lilo the procedure is similar.) Yes, acpi is there. Is there a way to use it to restore my power-down/reboot stuff? There doesn't seem to be a man page for it. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why sarge can't power off PC
Liam O'Toole wrote: I suspect that the kernel has acpi enabled. You can check by seeing if the directory /proc/acpi exists and is populated. To use apm, you will need to disable acpi. You do this by passing the argument 'acpi=off' to the kernel, either on the grub command line or in the grub configuration file, /boot/grub/menu.lst. (I'm assuming that you use grub; with lilo the procedure is similar.) First. Thanks for your help so far. Further to the last e-mail: I removed apm using aptitude, it removed libapm0 and powermgmt-base as well. Then I checked in my BIOS setup and there's no mention anywhere of apm though acpi defaults to S1 (I think that's shutdown as opposed to sleep or suspend). Yet I find in my log: Aug 8 19:22:35 localhost kernel: apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16ac) Aug 8 19:22:35 localhost kernel: apm: overridden by ACPI. Aug 8 19:23:50 localhost kernel: apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16ac) Aug 8 19:23:50 localhost kernel: apm: overridden by ACPI. and apm.ko is at /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko . Should it not have been removed with the other apm-related bits? The only thing in Control Centre under Power Control is Laptop Battery. It reports: Your computer seems to have a partial ACPI installation. ACPI was probably enabled, but some of the sub-options were not - you need to enable at least 'AC Adaptor' and 'Control Method Battery' and then rebuild your kernel. Should there be more under Power Control? If so, how do I get it there? Most of my googling has brought up either laptop stuff or installation on 2.4 series kernels. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why sarge can't power off PC
Mike McCarty wrote: Wulfy wrote: I have a similar problem. During the recent very hot weather here in the UK, my box kept crashing. So I had to reboot a lot. I noticed that Define very hot weather. We've been two weeks now hitting a high over 100F (38C) here in Texas. [snip] Mike Somewhere in the 90s F with 85% humidity? Cool for you but very hot, as in people were dying, here... The humidity did go down to 18%, an unprecedented low figure, In my experience. for a day. Being an island, our humidity is normally 50%... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why sarge can't power off PC
Florian Kulzer wrote: On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 23:27:06 +0100, Wulfy wrote: Further to the last e-mail: I removed apm using aptitude, it removed libapm0 and powermgmt-base as well. Then I checked in my BIOS setup and there's no mention anywhere of apm though acpi defaults to S1 (I think that's shutdown as opposed to sleep or suspend). Yet I find in my log: Aug 8 19:22:35 localhost kernel: apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16ac) Aug 8 19:22:35 localhost kernel: apm: overridden by ACPI. Aug 8 19:23:50 localhost kernel: apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16ac) Aug 8 19:23:50 localhost kernel: apm: overridden by ACPI. and apm.ko is at /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko . Should it not have been removed with the other apm-related bits? apm.ko is the kernel module which contains the APM routines. As such it is part of the kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7 package. Removing the apm daemon and apm-related library/tools packages does not (and should not) result in the removal of kernel modules. Ah. I should have realised. I feel silly... :) I was surprised it appeared in the logs, though. It does not appear in lsmod. The only thing in Control Centre under Power Control is Laptop Battery. It reports: Your computer seems to have a partial ACPI installation. ACPI was probably enabled, but some of the sub-options were not - you need to enable at least 'AC Adaptor' and 'Control Method Battery' and then rebuild your kernel. Should there be more under Power Control? If so, how do I get it there? Try to modprobe ac, power and battery and check if that makes any difference. acpi-related modules in lsmod; thermal12816 0 fan 4044 0 button 6360 0 processor 17392 1 thermal ac 4876 0 battery 9484 0 Two of them are there. I modprobed power... Yewdales-lodge:~# modprobe power FATAL: Module power not found. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why sarge can't power off PC
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 04:46:39PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 08 August 2006 11:39, Wulfy wrote: I have a similar problem. During the recent very hot weather here in the UK, my box kept crashing. So I had to reboot a lot. I noticed that when I hit the power switch, it didn't always catch, the power supply and fan started but the boot sequence didn't start. I had to power off and on again. Then for some routine maintenance, when I shut the machine down, it didn't power off... just to the black screen and the fans still running. When I reboot, it gets to the point of the keyboard lights flashing then stops screen powered down (light flashing rather than on) and I have to power off with the switch and power on again. Power supply can't provide enough juice to get started. I should seriously consider replacing that power supply with something with 50w or 100w more maximum output to get around that. Replacing the power supply will also make the components last longer: I've seen machines give up the ghost from trying to power on with too little juice too many times. I have a feeling your situation has more to do with a hardware addition that happened or an aging power supply rather than a kernel upgrade. I've also seen very similar behavior from a failing motherboard. intermittent crashing, failing to POST and boot on power up etc. all of it intermittent and unpredictable. finally it wouldn't POST at all... process of elimination gets me a new motherboard. weee... A Thanks for answering, Paul and Andrew. I have one 80GiB(? new units I think?) HD and a CDROM. nVidia video card. There's not a lot attached... I hope it's not power supply related... :( Is there any way to check the power supply's wattage without opening the case? -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pine
Anton Piatek wrote: Hi, Anyone know if pine is in debian? I can't find it... If you know where it is, let me know! Anton Hi, Anton! [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache policy pine pine: Installed: (none) Candidate: 4.64-1duo+sarge1 Version table: 4.64-1duo+sarge1 0 500 http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org sarge/non-free Packages 4.64-0.sdinet1 0 500 http://debian.sdinet.de sarge/sdinet Packages I only have Sarge repositories but it should be in the others, perhaps... Hope this helps... :) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Support for IBM xSeries 360
Carl Fink wrote: Quick poll: how many people here are old enough to read that subject line and think of the IBM Series/360, the mainframe? I learned to program on that beast in 1975... now I feel old... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Support for IBM xSeries 360
Simon wrote: Wulfmann, No, not the mainframe :) http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=-840storeId=1categoryId=2344267langId=-1dualCurrId=73 Yeah... I think the one I learned on was a little larger than that... like fill the air-conditioned room with an airlock size... :) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No sound on flash movies
Wulfy wrote: Wulfy wrote: Does anyone else still have this problem? Not only do I now have no sound, but the video doesn't play either... I've tried everything I can think of to no avail... Any idea how to fix? Does no-one have any idea how to fix this? I noted that according to Adobe, the latest version for Linux is v7... yet the Mozilla Plug-in site said v9 was available... I managed to fix the video playback. Still no sound, but the pictures move... :) I reversed the change in firefoxrc... removed the FIREFOX_DSP=aoss and put FIREFOX_DSP=none back... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: just some thoughts
Chuckk Hubbard wrote: It's with shame that I even admit this affects me, but if yall didn't know, the social site myspace.com has just moved all its multimedia content to Flash 9.0 due to security problems they had with the previous version, and Adobe has yet to come up with Flash Player 9.0 for Linux. They have a blog from their head developer: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/ but I can't help thinking it reads like it was written to try to sound chummy with penguinheads while dragging their feet about just programming the damn thing. The Flash Player project manager says that it's expected in early 2007. Seems deliberate to me, but then I'm paranoid. No doubt it would be done in short order if it were released as FOSS. Right now, I wouldn't mind having a v8... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No sound on flash movies
bob hole wrote: This happened to my brother,try moving ~/.mozilla to ~/.mozilla.bak or something and then try it.I deleted a bunch of stuff in ~/.mozilla(pretty much everything except my bookmarks,extentions and plugins) and that fixed it. I moved ~/.mozilla to ~/.mozill.bak and then restarted Firefox. Success! Flash worked! Both sound and video. Then I moved my bookmarks into the new profile... no sound... So I deleted the new ~/.mozilla and the sound was back. However, when another program used the sound card while I was waiting for the Flash to download, no sound again. I'm using Alsa... shouldn't this sort of thing only happen in OSS? -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No sound on flash movies
Wulfy wrote: Iván Alemán wrote: Hello list, While a flash movie loads very well on firefox, I can't get any sound, I have tried the following solution with no luck https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu...ree/+bug/29760 Any thoughts? Thanks Does anyone else still have this problem? Not only do I now have no sound, but the video doesn't play either... I've tried everything I can think of to no avail... Any idea how to fix? Does no-one have any idea how to fix this? I noted that according to Adobe, the latest version for Linux is v7... yet the Mozilla Plug-in site said v9 was available... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which process is writing to disk?
Lubos Vrbka wrote: hi guys, i sometimes see the following happenning on my notebook. every few seconds, i can hear a tick from the harddrive. it seems, that some process writes just a little bit to disk and the heads are immediately parked. the sound is quite annoying. it doesn't happen all the time, just sometimes. for example today. memory almost free, swap completely free, small load, psi, thunderbird and opera running. do you have any idea what could be causing this? or is there any way to see which processes are accessing the disk in every moment? thank you in advance for your help. regards, Do you run a journalling filesystem like ext3? It could be the Journal Daemon. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No sound on flash movies
Iván Alemán wrote: Hello list, While a flash movie loads very well on firefox, I can't get any sound, I have tried the following solution with no luck https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu...ree/+bug/29760 Any thoughts? Thanks Does anyone else still have this problem? Not only do I now have no sound, but the video doesn't play either... I've tried everything I can think of to no avail... Any idea how to fix? -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: newbie question
Miles Fidelman wrote: Gabriel Parrondo wrote: El jue, 20-07-2006 a las 22:09 -0400, Miles Fidelman escribió: and it turns out that it sure looks like the messages I'm trying to capture are generated too early in the startup process to hit the log files - guess I have to connect my laptop to the serial port and capture the console traffic If all you need is watch at the messages at boot-time, then you could press the Scroll Lock key, which will pause the boot process and give you some time to read, then you can scroll with Shift+PageUp or Shift+PageDown. When you're done you press Scroll Lock again and the process goes on. Yeah, but that's too easy :-) Besides, it's nice to have a record. Cheers, Miles man bootlogd it's part of the sysvinit package... :) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -S bootlogd sysvinit: /sbin/bootlogd initscripts: /etc/init.d/bootlogd initscripts: /etc/init.d/stop-bootlogd initscripts: /etc/default/bootlogd sysvinit: /usr/share/man/man8/bootlogd.8.gz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache policy sysvinit sysvinit: Installed: 2.86.ds1-1 Candidate: 2.86.ds1-1 Version table: *** 2.86.ds1-1 0 500 cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r1 _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20051220)] sarge/main Packages 500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org stable/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status hope this helps -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt has wrong links
Chuckk Hubbard wrote: And then I checked the Italian site to see what version of hotplug it has, and it is 0.0.20040329-22, and yet Synaptic is STILL telling me: udev: Depends: hotplug (=0.0.20040329-17) but 0.0.20040329-16ubuntu17 is to be installed If all your sources are Debian, why is Synaptic attempting to install a *Ubuntu* package? -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No sound on flash movies
Iván Alemán wrote: Yes, you're right in order to use aoss you need to be using alsa, follow the intructions here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75237 I did that and now my sound is back! Thanks, Iván! And everyone else who answered! Well it was... I have a slow dial-up so flash movies take forever to load. I usually stop them until they're fully loaded so I don't get them in little bits. I restarted the movie and no sound... :( -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No sound on flash movies
Jochen Schulz wrote: Iván Alemán: While a flash movie loads very well on firefox, I can't get any sound, I solved this problem a few days ago by editing /etc/firefox/firefoxrc. Since I am not using a sound daemon (I don't use Gnome or KDE), I put aoss in there. I have the same problem. I use KDE. What should I put in there? I tried aoss, artsd and alsa but they don't work... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No sound on flash movies
Iván Alemán wrote: I have the same problem. I use KDE. What should I put in there? I tried aoss, artsd and alsa but they don't work... Try restarting firefox, I edited /etc/firefox/firefoxrc and changed to aoss and it didn't work until I restarted the computer (in my case and by accident) but just restarting firefox should work fine. Regards I restarted firefox after each change. As I said, it didn't work... :( -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No sound on flash movies
Jochen Schulz wrote: Wulfy: Jochen Schulz wrote: Iván Alemán: While a flash movie loads very well on firefox, I can't get any sound, I solved this problem a few days ago by editing /etc/firefox/firefoxrc. Since I am not using a sound daemon (I don't use Gnome or KDE), I put aoss in there. I have the same problem. I use KDE. What should I put in there? I tried aoss, artsd and alsa but they don't work... For aoss to work, you need to have alsa-oss installed (and use Alsa, obviously). Maybe that's missing. I don't know whether KDE still uses a sound daemon. J. I have these installed: Yewdales-lodge:~# dpkg -l alsa* Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name VersionDescription +++-==-==- ii alsa-base 1.0.8-7ALSA driver configuration files ii alsa-oss 1.0.8-1ALSA wrapper for OSS applications ii alsa-utils 1.0.8-4ALSA utilities ii alsamixergui 0.9.0rc2-1-7 graphical soundcard mixer for ALSA soundcard driver ii libwine-alsa 0.9.7-0bpo1Windows API Implementation (ALSA Sound Module) As I use the 2.6 kernel, I don't need the -modules, I don't think. I think KDE uses the artsd sound daemon. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mplayer output
LeVA wrote:
2006. július 7. 00:53,
Wulfy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Debian User debian-user@lists.debian.org,:
Hi, d-u!
When I play a video from the command line (as a user rather than root)
with mplayer, I get the following output:
*
MPlayer dev-CVS--3.3.5 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team
CPU: Advanced Micro Devices Duron Morgan,Camaro (Family: 6, Stepping: 0)
MMX2 supported but disabled
3DNow supported but disabled
3DNowExt supported but disabled
CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 0 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0
Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX SSE
*
Is it reporting abut itself? Or what it's detected on the system, e.g.
the kernel's support for the CPU? Or even the CPU itself?
Those are represent the way how your mplayer was built.
You can get your cpu flags and capabilities:
$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
Yewdales-lodge:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
vendor_id : AuthenticAMD
cpu family : 6
model : 7
model name : AMD Duron(tm)
stepping: 0
cpu MHz : 1000.442
cache size : 64 KB
fdiv_bug: no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug: no
coma_bug: no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 1
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge
mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
bogomips: 1982.46
Now if only I knew what all that meant... I know, I know... RTFM... :)
It also complains about not being able to find the joystick and the
infra-red control. I don't have either. I know I can stop it looking
for them with
mplayer -nojoystick -nolirc
but that's a lot of typing. Can I make that the default somehow?
~/.mplayer/config:
nojoystick=yes
nolirc=yes
{yes,no,on,off,1,0..}
Done and works! Thanks! :)
I'd RTFM if I knew where to look and my Google skills seem to have gone
with the heat...
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/index.html
man 1 mplayer
Lots of reading... I'll get round to it when I have a spare moment or
twenty... :)
I'm looking at other problems but until I can figure out what's going on
enough to put it into words, I'll hold off on that.
System:
Linux Yewdales-lodge 2.6.8-3-686 #1 Thu May 25 02:27:57 UTC 2006 i686
GNU/Linux
Running Sarge with extras from backports.org and debian-multimedia.org
KDE 3.5.0
oh can I guess? the marillat packages? I suggest you to compile mplayer
yourself...
I'm beginning to think that may be the only way. I'm still somewhat of
a newbie, though. Learning curves, don't ya just love 'em? :@)
Thanks for the help and any further info needed, just ask.
Daniel
Thanks for your help, Daniel! Much appreciated!
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Mplayer output
Hi, d-u! When I play a video from the command line (as a user rather than root) with mplayer, I get the following output: * MPlayer dev-CVS--3.3.5 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team CPU: Advanced Micro Devices Duron Morgan,Camaro (Family: 6, Stepping: 0) MMX2 supported but disabled 3DNow supported but disabled 3DNowExt supported but disabled CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 0 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0 Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX SSE * Is it reporting abut itself? Or what it's detected on the system, e.g. the kernel's support for the CPU? Or even the CPU itself? It also complains about not being able to find the joystick and the infra-red control. I don't have either. I know I can stop it looking for them with mplayer -nojoystick -nolirc but that's a lot of typing. Can I make that the default somehow? I'd RTFM if I knew where to look and my Google skills seem to have gone with the heat... I'm looking at other problems but until I can figure out what's going on enough to put it into words, I'll hold off on that. System: Linux Yewdales-lodge 2.6.8-3-686 #1 Thu May 25 02:27:57 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux Running Sarge with extras from backports.org and debian-multimedia.org KDE 3.5.0 Thanks for the help and any further info needed, just ask. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nvidia (their's) driver on multiple kernels.
Linas Žvirblis wrote: David Baron wrote: OK. Now the question. Which packages are needed for a GEforce 440 card? Probably the normal (the non-legacy) driver packages. Are there debs for the *legacy* driver? I couldn't find one when I was looking. I need the 7167 driver for my TNT2 card. I've been using the .run file from nVidia and am having problems with the latest updated 2.6.8(-3-686) (sarge) kernel. It won't seem to compile for it and wants to remove the driver so from the 2.6.8-2-686 modules. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install acroread
Mathieu Malaterre wrote: The only thing aptitute is able to do is remove cvs ... I'm sure there's a way to do this from the command line but I use the curses interface for aptitude. Run aptitude, find cvs, press m to make it a manual install... that will stop aptitude wanting to remove it. Hope this helps... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Katipo wrote: Mike McCarty wrote: snip This is a consequence of the fact that, in the USA, the Sovereign is the Electorate, Yes, but that's all rapidly changing, isn't it? When was *your* Head of State elected? Oh, wait, she wasn't, was she? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The Queen may be Head of state but the person with power here is the Prime Minister... The Queen is just a figurehead... -- Blessings Wulfmann in the UK Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: firefox printing: question about paper size
Paul E Condon wrote: On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 05:45:57PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 11:05:43AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I run firefox under Sarge, using Debian repository version of firefox Recent posts on this list indicate that there is a (non-functioning) way to indicate paper size for printing in firefox. I can't find any such controls in the firefox that I have running here. Where are they? ^^ In what menu does one find the place to choose the paper size? I know this is a dumb question, but I can't find them. File/print.../properties (next to drop down list for printer... :) ) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Matthias Julius wrote: I'm afraid it would not work without it. Do you want to base the education of children who's parents can not afford to pay for the education of their kids on voluntary redistribution of wealth, on charity? Or how do you think it should be paid for? I think it is the responsibility of the parent. Just like feeding and clothing a child. What happens when a parent does not feed or cloth a child? The child is removed from the home for neglect and placed into foster care. I don't see why it should be any different for school. -Roberto Hmm... and who pays for this foster-schooling? The state? -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Wulfy wrote: Hmm... and who pays for this foster-schooling? The state? Just like they do now with food and clothes. I had a friend who was a foster parent for several years. He and his wife have taken in many kids over the years. Basically, he said it went like this: - take in foster child - spend up to $X on clothing (which is reimbursed by the state, of course you can spend more and it won't be reimbursed) - spend up to $Y on food (same as above) - ensure the child receives necessary medical care (many have been abused, etc; this is also reimbursed) There is no reason why school can't fit into the same model. In this case, someone has volunteerd (out of the goodness of his heart) to take in foster children to give them a more stable home environment than what they were getting before. The government compensates them for their expenses. This is not a difficult thing. -Roberto Do you honestly believe that if the state stopped providing education that the state would stop taking the money in taxes? Or would they just find another high-cost military project to spend it on? Even if they did give it back, do you think that what the tax-payer saved would pay for a good, private education? How many would have their children taken off them because they couldn't afford it? How many households would be destroyed by this measure? Only the bad ones? We all know that Social Services are exemplary in the way they operate... like taking children away from parents just because they're not Christian. Do you remember the Satanic Abuse fiasco started in America and subsequently here in the UK? How many families were destroyed? How many children were abused by the state employees at Social Services? -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: The problem is that in ... education there is *no* incentive to perform *at all*. Then perhaps you Americans should take a look at how we British are solving a similar problem... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ofsted http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/ Instead of complaining about how it doesn't work and threatening to scrap it, we *fixed* the problem... The problem appears to be that everybody must pass High School. Even if they don't. Perhaps if there was a real chance of little Johnny *failing*, the standards would rise... Please note: What you Americans call public schools, we call state schools... our Public Schools are private...:) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Social Contract
Steve Lamb wrote: the only legal ponzi scam Erm. What does ponzi mean? I can't find it in any of my dictionaries, so I assume it's American Slang... Divided by a common language... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Social Contract
Steve Lamb wrote: Wulfy wrote: Erm. What does ponzi mean? I can't find it in any of my dictionaries, so I assume it's American Slang... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme Thanks, Steve. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Playing midi?
Florian Kulzer wrote: udev should generate the device for you. As John O'Hagan already suggested, try to modprobe snd_seq and snd_seq_midi. If that works without errors the device should be created. If that goes wrong post the error messages, the output of dpkg -l udev hotplug and the relevant part of lspci so that we know which hardware we are talking about. Hi, Florian. I modprobed the modules. KMid no longer throws an error about the sequencer. But still no sound... None of the four maps it finds seems to work. Yewdales-lodge:~# lsmod |grep midi snd_seq_midi8576 0 snd_seq_midi_event 7680 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi snd_seq53872 5 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event snd_rawmidi25124 2 snd_seq_midi,snd_mpu401_uart snd_seq_device 8200 3 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi snd57156 141 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event,snd_seq,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device ii udev 0.056-3 /dev/ management daemon ii hotplug 0.0.20040329-22 Linux Hotplug Scripts Yewdales-lodge:~# lspci :00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) Now Timidity throws an error Can't open /dev/dsp :( -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Playing midi?
Robert Kopp wrote: --- Bruno Buys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm installing timidty, cited by wulfy, to see if it succeeds. But being able to play it with kmid would be more desirable, as timidity seem to need freepats which is a 28mb download. Isn't it just a matter of linking /dev/sequencer to /dev/.static/dev/sequencer? I've never had any luck with kmid. I've never had any trouble with timidity. What's 28 MB these days? Robert Tim Kopp For me? A 28MB download is over two hours... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Playing midi?
Florian Kulzer wrote: Hi Wulfy, This is probably not a good moment to mention it, but I actually have no clue about how MIDI works. The OP had an error message which suggested that udev had not created the appropriate node in /dev; this, as expected, seems to be fixable by probing the necessary modules. Beyond that I am lost: When I press the Test MIDI button in KDE Control Center Sound Multimedia Sound System I hear nothing at all. I always figured this was because I do not have any external MIDI instruments attached, therefore I did not investigate it any further. The rest of my comments was aimed at tracking down a possible udev problem; this does not seem to matter here, since you do get the node in /dev. Hmm... I know a little about midi, but not much. Since I'm able to play it with some application, I should think it would be possible with any... I have the same problem with the Control Centre... I've read cryptic mentions of sound fonts but have never been able to find any to try... that may be why I can't make it work. [...] Yewdales-lodge:~# lspci :00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) Now Timidity throws an error Can't open /dev/dsp :( Oops. I would hope that this can be fixed by rmmod snd_seq_midi rmmod snd_seq alasconf I sorted it when I noticed that there was no sound on my system at all... I went to the Control Centre, turned off sound and then turned it on again... It works! :) I'm back to only Timidity playing midis, but without KMid throwing an error... some progress, at least! Thanks for your help! Much appreciated! -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Playing midi?
chris roddy wrote: Wulfy wrote: Hmm... I know a little about midi, but not much. Since I'm able to play it with some application, I should think it would be possible with any... I have the same problem with the Control Centre... I've read cryptic mentions of sound fonts but have never been able to find any to try... that may be why I can't make it work. Some (wavetable-based) onboard synthesizers (such as those found on EMU10K1 cards) need to be loaded with waveform packages before they will work. The awesfx package contains the tools needed to do this. You will also need a soundfont file to load with these tools. 2mbgmgs.sf2 and 8mbgmgs.sf2 should be productive Google queries. cmr Thanks, Chris! I'm downloading stuff now :) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Playing midi?
Florian Kulzer wrote: On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 17:47:56 -0300, Bruno Buys wrote: This is debian sarge with marillat multimedia sources. I'm trying to play a midi file, but I get a Could not open /dev/sequencer to get some info. Probably there's another program using it error, from kmid. That's the first time I try to open a midi file, so, probably I lack some config. Trying to open Settings MIDI setup brings me the same window. What can I do? Check if /dev/sequencer exists, and if it has the proper ownership and permissions settings: $ ls -l /dev/sequencer crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 1 2006-04-22 14:40 /dev/sequencer If that is OK check which process is accessing the device: $ lsof | grep /dev/sequencer I have a similar problem. /dev/sequencer doesn't exist, though... it's /dev/.static/dev/sequencer and KMid can't find it. I can play Midi files with Timidity, but that's all. How can I tell KMid where the sequencer is? Or tell udev to put it in /dev? Btw, is there a midi plug-in for Firefox? I hate that plug-in needed but not found moment... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Udev problem
Ross Boylan wrote: On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 07:39:09PM +0100, Wulfy wrote: I was updating my Sarge system using the backports.org repository. Foolishly, I updated Udev... which promptly told me it needed a later kernel. I downgraded back to the one I had before. Now I'm getting problems from a couple of packages I installed at the same time: libgphoto2 and alsa-utils (which sorta broke at the same time). I'm getting the following lines in the log: Apr 19 18:10:12 localhost udev[7046]: parse error /etc/udev/rules.d/025_libgphoto2.rules, line 3:13, rule skipped Apr 19 18:10:12 localhost udev[7046]: parse error /etc/udev/rules.d/025_libgphoto2.rules, line 4:39, rule skipped Apr 19 18:10:12 localhost udev[7046]: parse error /etc/udev/rules.d/025_libgphoto2.rules, line 933:28, rule skipped Apr 19 18:10:12 localhost udev[7046]: parse error /etc/udev/rules.d/z60_alsa-utils.rules, line 1:38, rule skipped I've attached the rules files. As udev rules might as well be written in Klingon as far as I'm concerned, I'm hoping someone who understands this can help... I've been struggling with udev too. I think you've been caught by its rapid changes. More recent udevs depend on more recent (post-stock Sarge) kernels and apparently implement features that the older udev didn't. I assume that the errors come from an older udev trying to parse a file intended only for a newer udev. Changing a package doesn't necessarily change the config files, which are what are giving you problems. If you can do a purge, not just remove, of the affected packages and then reinstall them you'll probably fix your problem. Alternatively, you could plunge ahead into the exciting world of testing, aka etch. But if your goal is stability, reversion is probably safer. Others on the list may be able to contribute more elegant solutions. Ross Aye. Thanks, Ross. I'll wait a little to see if someone can come up with something, then if not, I'll purge alsa-utils and libgphoto2-2 and reinstall them at the lower version. -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Mike McCarty wrote: Wulfy wrote: Digby Tarvin wrote: ISO is not the same as text. Most character sets only display ASCII in a standard way. Unicode is text... just not ASCII. So is Hiragana. So is Kanji. So is Arabic. So is Hebrew. So is Cyrillic. So? Digby said that ISO wasn't text only ASCII was... the 'J' and the 'germeister'. If I use vi or cat to view the message, I see 'J=E4germeister' or 'J0xe4germeister', which is less than clear.. Not if you have your locale set to a UTF-8 locale like en_GB-UTF-8... When I read your original message I see a Cyrillic capital 'D' between Which was my point. Using Jaegermeister is locale independent. So? A misconfigured system is no reason for changing the spelling of something. Change the cause not the effect... [snip] Mike -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Mike McCarty wrote: Wulfy wrote: Digby Tarvin wrote: ISO is not the same as text. Most character sets only display ASCII in a standard way. Unicode is text... just not ASCII. So is Hiragana. So is Kanji. So is Arabic. So is Hebrew. So is Cyrillic. So? Digby said that ISO wasn't text only ASCII was... the 'J' and the 'germeister'. If I use vi or cat to view the message, I see 'J=E4germeister' or 'J0xe4germeister', which is less than clear.. Not if you have your locale set to a UTF-8 locale like en_GB-UTF-8... When I read your original message I see a Cyrillic capital 'D' between Which was my point. Using Jaegermeister is locale independent. So? A misconfigured system is no reason for changing the spelling of something. Change the cause not the effect. A UTF-8 locale will allow you to see any text, provided you have the proper fonts and most fonts have ISO-8895-* in, even if they don't have the non-Latin sets... And even if you don't want a UTF-8 locale, most modern e-mail clients can change the character encoding of the message. [snip] Mike -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Matthias Julius wrote: Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The ae is a poorman form of æ. In German it is perfectly legitimate to use ae instead of ä if you can not use that for what ever reason. It is just ugly. The character æ is used nowhere in German. Matthias But it is in Icelandic, along with þ and ð. Should the Icelanders change the spelling of their words to fit the ASCII only systems that most people use? -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Mike McCarty wrote: Only if they want most people to read what they write. Should people who use Hindi characters change? How about Arabic? Hebrew? How about Linear B? Why do we even want people only to post in English? Why not post in whatever your native tongue is? I guess I'll switch to Spanish, since that's my first language. Muchas gracias por ensenarme una via mucho mas mejor. Ya puedo usar la lengua que me mas gusta en toda la via de me vida, en toda circunstancia. Mike I don't speak Spanish, so the word I choose is random. If you wanted to refer to something with mañana in it's name, would you lose the tilde? -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark.
Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN
lostson wrote: On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 11:02 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Attila Horvath wrote: Mutsuura Associates, Inc. /\ \ Vienna, VA 22181 / \ \ / /\ \ \ / / /\ \ \ E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / /_/ \ \ \ WEB: http://www.mutsuura.com / \ \ / \ \ / /\ \ \/ /\ \ \ MAIN:(703)281-9722 / / /\ \/ / /\ \ \ CELL:(703)863-1933/ / / \ / / \ \ \ FAX :(703)281-9744 / / /\/_/\ \_\ SBA/SDB CERTIFIED\/_/ \/_/ Debian users don't have huge ascii art signatures. Ubuntu users apparently do. At least that's my unscientific observation based on a limited sample. :P Hey now wait a minute I am a debian user and I have the aliens on mine. Are these offensive in some way ?? It could be worse... HTML e-mails with adverts for all-singing, all-dancing emoticons, anyone? :p -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?
Digby Tarvin wrote: ISO is not the same as text. Most character sets only display ASCII in a standard way. Unicode is text... just not ASCII. When I read your original message I see a Cyrillic capital 'D' between the 'J' and the 'germeister'. If I use vi or cat to view the message, I see 'J=E4germeister' or 'J0xe4germeister', which is less than clear.. Not if you have your locale set to a UTF-8 locale like en_GB-UTF-8... If you want your message to be understood by people that are not using graphical applications to read their email then it is best to stick to ASCII text. I looked at his original message using both vi and cat. It came through OK. It's a matter of locale and fonts not text. I am in the UK, but I never try to use shift-3 to insert a pound symbol into an email, because I know that not everyone uses a compatable character set. Of course in a person to person email, if you know what your correspondent is using then it is OK, but definately a bad idea on a public list. Regards, DigbyT -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Color printers (was Re: Printer for linux?)
Ron Johnson wrote: What *is* gold pressed latinum (in the ST universe, of course)? It's what every Ferengi loves more than his mother... money! :) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
