Re: feedback on install of bullseye
On 2022-09-24 13:52, Dan Ritter wrote: Ray Andrews wrote: To whom might read this. I can't boil this down to a formal bug report but for what it's worth: BULLSEYE INSTALL, 2022-09-23: Decided to do a virgin install of bullseye to my /dev/sdb while keeping /dev/sda devoted to Stretch. Got the installer onto a USB stick, and proceeding normally. The 'normal' install (sorry, I forget the exact name) ... I get as far as partitioning and although the disk (sdb) is already partitioned and formatted and working fine, it seemed to be impossible to just leave things as they were and install to the existing partitions, it kept complaining that a necessary step was not completed. Erasing the partitions (overwrite with zeros) didn't help. I couldn't figure out how to make it work so backed up and selected 'use whole disk'. You are lacking vital information to pass on to us here: what necessary step was not completed? When I tried to bypass partitioning. As I said, the disk was already partitioned and formatted and had a working copy of Debian 9 on it, so my thought was to just zero out the existing partitions, which was offered, and then proceed to install, but the the installer refused to let me proceed. It seemed to feel the need to create partitions not reuse them. The final partitioning screen showed the partitions marked 'K' (keep) and I couldn't explain to the installer that they were free to use. Proceeding, the installer couldn't establish a connection to the web. What network hardware do you have? Wired or wireless? Wired. Pretty basic. As I said, the 'advanced' installer had no trouble whatsoever. The only thing I interacted with was setting the delay time to ten seconds from the IIRC default of three seconds. Seems to me the 'basic' installer could/should be able to handle that. Trying again, I disconnected sda to keep it from getting mauled a second time and proceeded with the 'advanced' installer, again selecting 'use entire disk', this time the installer took the extra steps to get the network up and running and the install completed quite smoothly. Shouldn't the 'normal' install do whatever is needed to get the network running? the advanced install had no problem there, I didn't have to intervene it just got it done. The normal installer is the advanced installer but it pre-answers a lot of questions with the most common answers. Sure, and it was good enough for me, except that it wouldn't connect to the internet as I just mentioned. Why would the installer trash the MBR on a disk that was not involved? Why couldn't I use existing, functioning ext4 partitions? You can. Somewhere in the missing error messages are the clues. It could be that I just wasn't interacting with it properly. If there was a log or something I'd be happy to attach another disk to the machine and try again and send you the results. As long as you guys are interested I'll do anything to help. Thanks Dan -dsr-
feedback on install of bullseye
To whom might read this. I can't boil this down to a formal bug report but for what it's worth: BULLSEYE INSTALL, 2022-09-23: Decided to do a virgin install of bullseye to my /dev/sdb while keeping /dev/sda devoted to Stretch. Got the installer onto a USB stick, and proceeding normally. The 'normal' install (sorry, I forget the exact name) ... I get as far as partitioning and although the disk (sdb) is already partitioned and formatted and working fine, it seemed to be impossible to just leave things as they were and install to the existing partitions, it kept complaining that a necessary step was not completed. Erasing the partitions (overwrite with zeros) didn't help. I couldn't figure out how to make it work so backed up and selected 'use whole disk'. Proceeding, the installer couldn't establish a connection to the web. I aborted the install since I couldn't go forward anyway. Boot to sda and ... the installer had trashed the MBR of *both* disks and the machine was unbootable. I attached another backup disk, booted to that, mounted my Stretch partitions on sda, reran LILO, and that was fine, I could boot Stretch. But the installer also trashed the swap partition on sda -- I had to run mkswap. But no permanent damage was done. Trying again, I disconnected sda to keep it from getting mauled a second time and proceeded with the 'advanced' installer, again selecting 'use entire disk', this time the installer took the extra steps to get the network up and running and the install completed quite smoothly. Shouldn't the 'normal' install do whatever is needed to get the network running? the advanced install had no problem there, I didn't have to intervene it just got it done. Why would the installer trash the MBR on a disk that was not involved? Why couldn't I use existing, functioning ext4 partitions? If one does have to abort, wouldn't it be better if no changes at all were made to anything? Why have a trashed system even when one had to abort? In other words, why not check that the network is available *before* trashing the MBR of both disks and the partition table of sdb and the swap partition of the other disk? ... just in case anyone is interested.
Re: Problems installing from flash drive.
Hi Richard, Here's what I would probably do: - create directories on your USB or partition for each of the DVDs - extract each ISO, and place the contents in the directories - if using a separate partition, mount it in your fstab at a location such as /mnt/deb, or if using a USB, just make sure to always mount it at the same location when you want to install something Then you can add a line such as this to your APT sources: deb [trusted=yes] file:///mnt/deb/DVD1/ buster main deb [trusted=yes] file:///mnt/deb/DVD2/ buster main deb [trusted=yes] file:///mnt/deb/DVD3/ buster main Now whenever you want to install something, you shouldn't have to worry about which DVD it was on, APT should just automatically find it. Jeremy On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 at 09:55, Richard Owlett wrote: > I wish to do custom Debian install on a machine *WITHOUT*: >1. functional mechanical CD/DVD drive. >2. without internet access. > > One can purchase a flash drive containing ISO images of all installation > DVDs of the desired architecture. It is straight forward to do a default > install after copying dvd1.iso to a flash drive. > > Resulting problems include: >1. undesired programs clutter machine (e.g. LibreOffice). >2. project critical software cannot be installed as Synaptic > asks for a non-existent DVD be inserted in a non-existent drive. > > One vendor has a shell program which loop mounts the ISO files in such a > way that *IF* you have the purchased flash drive installed you can use > Synaptic. > > The Debian documentation does not appear to describe how apt &/or > Synaptic can access ISO files on dedicated partition. > > Are the instructions to create a "local repository" composed of > appropriate ISO files? > > TIA > > >
Re: "Run fsck manually"..?
You might have to boot from a recovery CD image, such as a Debian live install image, or GParted Live. You can't actually run fsck on a drive while said drive is mounted. On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 at 19:24, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> My brother's Debian system suddenly says on attempt to boot, "/dev/sda1: > >> UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY:Runfsck manually", and, "inodes that were part > of > >> a corrupted orphan linked list found." > >> > >> He enters "fsck" or "fsck /dev/sda1", and in a short while gets fsck > >> identifying it's version, and nothing else. Tha appears to take place > >> from (initramfs) and Busybox. An attempt to reboot just starts the > >> problem all over again. > >> > >> We'd be grateful for help with this. Thanks. > >> > > hello, > > > > fsck -fy /dev/sda1 is probably what you want > > Then again, after the "UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY", the `-f` flag to > `fsck` shouldn't be needed. This is weird. > > > Stefan > >
Re: debian stable kernel not updating on one machine
Possibly a dependency conflict of some kind. Maybe try updating from the terminal to see if it works or at least gives a useful error message sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt full-upgrade You could also check the contents of the /boot directory to see if the kernel is actually there. If the kernel is there on the drive but not being used to boot, then you could try running "sudo update-grub" and then rebooting. On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 at 18:14, D. R. Evans wrote: > I went to update one of my machines running debian stable today, using (as > usual) synaptic [which I think is basically a wrapper for various apt > functions]. The machine is running: > > > > [Z:~] uname -a > Linux zserver 4.19.0-13-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.160-2 (2020-11-28) x86_64 > GNU/Linux > [Z:~] > > > > But I see that synaptic lists 4.19.0-14-amd64 as being available in the > repository; and, indeed, on another machine I updated earlier in the day > the > kernel was updated from -13 to -14. > > How might I be able to diagnose why the files relating to the -14 kernel > are > not selected when I hit synaptic's "Mark All Upgrades" button? > >Doc > > -- > Web: http://enginehousebooks.com/drevans > >
How do I boot a Debian 9.1.0 amd64 iso from GRUB?
Hello, I have recently had issues with burning DVDs and am wondering if I can boot a Debian 9.1 AMD64 DVD iso directly from an installed GRUB on another Debian partition. Preferably, is there a way of booting from the DVD boot sector in the iso so I can boot any operating system iso as well? Thank you! Purakee
How do I boot a Debian 9.1.0 amd64 iso from GRUB?
Hello, I have recently had issues with burning DVDs and am wondering if I can boot a Debian 9.1 AMD64 DVD iso directly from an installed GRUB on another Debian partition. Preferably, is there a way of booting from the DVD boot sector in the iso so I can boot any operating system iso as well? Thank you! Purakee
How do I boot a Debian 9.1.0 amd64 iso from GRUB?
Hello, I have recently had issues with burning DVDs and am wondering if I can boot a Debian 9.1 AMD64 DVD iso directly from an installed GRUB on another Debian partition. Preferably, is there a way of booting from the DVD boot sector in the iso so I can boot any operating system iso as well? Thank you! Purakee
Re: Re: Ctrl-Alt-Del in systemd
Change that symlink to point to poweroff.target: # ln -s /lib/systemd/system/poweroff.target/etc/systemd/system/ctrl-alt-del.target That worked fine to change ctrl-alt-del to 'poweroff' butis it possible to return to the old 'cold reboot' behavior? I like to go right back to the bootloader like it used to be previously.
Re: installer fails to configure DHCP
On 27 Nov 2011, at 16:40, Francesco Pietra wrote: Installer debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso downloaded Nov27 2011 fails to configure DHCP either automatically, with hostname, or manually. Otherwise, the Realtek card works perfectly on this machine (I just wanted to reinstall in order to reshape partitions). Then, I noticed that this is a standing bug: I've found the tiny DHCP client on the install images don't work under a variety of circumstances. For some reason, it becomes particularly unusable in VMware Fusion bridge mode virtual machines, but works fine if using host NAT. I'd love to say I'm using some rubbishy proprietary DHCP server on a Cisco device or something, but I'm using plain isc-dhcp-server on an emDebian device. This sees the request, and responds. tcpdump confirms the response hits the network, so it must be a slightly broken DHCP client. If you install using a statically assigned address then switch to DHCP after installation, you may find that once isc-dhcp-client is installed leases work just fine. -- rob andrews :: pgp 0x6d9b8cc8 :: r...@choralone.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/35100113-8c5b-4dcb-8052-2b2c74622...@choralone.org
apt https certs ?
Hi. Does anyone know (or know where I should look to find out) where one should install CA root certs, client certificates and private keys for the purpose of apt-transport-https ? (for playing around with private repositories) -AA. -- Ambrose Andrews LPO box 8274 ANU Canberra ACT 2601 Australia http://www.vrvl.net/~ambrose/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] home:+61_262305976 work:+61_261256749 mobile:+61_415544621 irc:{undernet|freenode|oftc}:znalo xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CE38 8B79 C0A7 DF4A 4F54 E352 2647 19A1 DB3B F823 556A 6D19 0904 827C 9DB8 3697 32D0 1E11 403F 2BE1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Setting module parameters?
I just did a clean install of etch (congrats and thanks to all those who made etch happen) but I seem to have this problem: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1999/06/msg02838.html I have a 3Com 3c905B that is using the 3c59x driver module, but it will only come up at 10 Mb/s instead of 100. I tried the solution listed in that link, but it doesn't see, to help. I notice that that post is rather old though. Is there a different way to set those module parameters now? Is there a better way to solve this problem now? (other than buying a new nic). Thanks -Colin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems upgrading libc6
On 10-Apr-2007 01:17.00 (BST), Luis Hidalgo wrote: I think I have a serious problem. I tried to upgrade my packages using apt-get upgrade but instead of being successful the following message appeared: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib64', which is also in package nspluginwrapper Uff. Can you tell me what the output of: dpkg -S /usr/lib64 Is? /usr/lib64 *should* be a symbolic link to /usr/lib on amd64 installations. Can you also show me the output of: ls -ld /usr/lib64 Thanks, rob. -- rob andrews :: pgp 0x01e00563 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems upgrading libc6
On 10-Apr-2007 01:17.00 (BST), Luis Hidalgo wrote: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib64', which is also in package nspluginwrapper It has also occurred to me that you are installing the sarge package for libc6. Is the nspluginwrapper package you are using a self-built package or a backport from unstable? -- rob andrews :: pgp 0x01e00563 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems upgrading libc6
[sorry for the third reply to this message] On 10-Apr-2007 09:48.10 (BST), Rob Andrews wrote: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib64', which is also in package nspluginwrapper It has also occurred to me that you are installing the sarge package for libc6. Is the nspluginwrapper package you are using a self-built package or a backport from unstable? A dump of the nspluginwrapper package lists the contents as: usr usr/lib usr/lib/nspluginwrapper usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/x86_64 usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/x86_64/linux usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/x86_64/linux/npwrapper.so usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/x86_64/linux/npconfig usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386 usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer.bin usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/libxpcom.so usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/noarch usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/noarch/mkruntime usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/noarch/npviewer usr/bin usr/bin/nspluginwrapper usr/share usr/share/doc usr/share/doc/nspluginwrapper usr/share/doc/nspluginwrapper/NEWS.gz usr/share/doc/nspluginwrapper/copyright usr/share/doc/nspluginwrapper/README usr/share/doc/nspluginwrapper/changelog.Debian.gz usr/share/doc/nspluginwrapper/changelog.gz usr/share/doc/nspluginwrapper/TODO usr/share/doc/nspluginwrapper/README.Debian usr/share/man usr/share/man/man1 usr/share/man/man1/nspluginwrapper.1.gz There's no /usr/lib64 in there. I suggest you remove the nspluginwrapper package that you have! -- rob andrews :: pgp 0x01e00563 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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how to list from a distro?
I have my sources.list setup like in the apt pinning howto. I set it up to install some specific packages that I needed. I want to mainly be running stable. I discovered that I installed another package without realizing that only exists in unstable. Is there a way to list all the packages that are installed from a particular distro? I read up on the apt-cache manual but I don't see a straitforward way to pull it off. -- There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. - C.A.R. Hoare, The 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
non-free internet radio?
NooB Disclaimer: Though I've used unix/linux for many years, it's mostly been on servers or just bash/csh command line environments. I've just installed Sarge on a brand new system and I'm really liking it. I'm still a bit of a NooB when it comes to desktop related features (configuring X, watching DVDs...) Anyways... My question relates to internet radio feeds. Some of the stations I like to listen to over the internet actually offer feeds in formats that aren't a problem for linux (mp3, ogg) but most stations give you a choice between Windows Media Player and Real Player. I know that Real has a linux version of their player, but I'd rather not install it. Real player for windows always seems like total spyware, and it's totaly anoying with all ads popups it puts up even if it isn't spyware. Is there a reasonable free/open source solution out there that will let me listen either of these stream types? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free internet radio?
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DSL connection has stopped working in Debian.
The setup. -Debian Woody with DSL connection (eth0) acting as router for NAT'd LAN (eth1) -Using dhc-client for DHCP on the DSL line Everything was working fine until a reboot yesterday. Now the DSL connection is busted. During bootup, when eth0 is brought up, this is the first thing that appears: Eth0: Media is unconnected, link down, or incompatible connection. Now, I've been getting this message during bootup for a while now, but after a long period of time, the system would continue to boot up and the network connection would work normally. Not now, though. After a long timeout period, dhc-client prints out a lot of DHCP information that makes it look like it contacted the DHCP server correctly, but with a Reason=TIMEOUT line at the end that I haven't seen before. Once the box finished booting, Eth0 is listed as not being up. If I bring it up, I'm told that it's already up. If I ifdown it, then ifup it again, there's another Media is unconnected error and a return to a prompt, but the interface is listed as up after that. In the system log after I do that, I can see that dhc-client has gone through the DISCOVER, OFFER, REQUEST, ACK process, complete with a Bound to 216.63.xyz.xyz message. At this point, I can ping the IP of the DHCP server, and it works. I can ping random IPs on the same subnet (probably other DSL customers), and it works. But I can't ping the gateway address (216.63.148.0) or anything outside the subnet. I can't ping the nameservers, because they're on a different subnet. Pinging anything outside the subnet yields Network Unreachable. Pinging the ISP's router yields no replies. The route command shows this: 216.63.148.0 * 255.255.254.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 I'm wondering if maybe the ISP's router (216.63.148.0) is just down, but this problem has persisted after nearly 14 hours, so I'd think they'd have noticed by now. Or it's possible that the router just ignores pings, and the problem is on my end. I'd greatly appreciate any suggestions here. This Debian box is a web server and mail server and is considered mission critical (yeah, I know it's dumb to trust a DSL line for anything important, but times are tough), and I'll have some unhappy users to deal with if I can't get this worked out. Thanks a lot! - Protect yourself from spam, use http://sneakemail.com
Re: Update on 'unstable' left Gnome unusable
I have a similar problem with KDE2, i get the login screen but when i try to log in all it does is go back to the login screen. Its been like this for about 4 days now and i have done 3 or so updates and it still isn't fixed, is there something else i need to know? please help Nathan - Original Message - From: Larry Elmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 12:23 PM Subject: Update on 'unstable' left Gnome unusable I'm running Unstable with kernel 2.4.2 and performed an update using apt-get yesterday. At first X was dead, but I was able to get it running (it never asked me whether or not to overwrite /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, but certainly did so). Now, however, I can't get past the gdm login screen except by selecting Xsession instead of Debian or Gnome. It simply resets back to the login screen. I've tried everything I can think of, to no avail. Any suggestions? Larry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ADSL
Ihave receintly got Telstra ADSL and i have installed PPPoE and did what it said in the README file that came with the PPPoE package. I followed the steps in configuring it and i have had no luck, help on this would be appreciated.
ADSL Cont.
I have played around more and got a few more files, i have come to the conclusion that it is a PPP problem from this: Apr 2 00:30:30 basha pppd[512]: pppd 2.4.0 started by root, uid 0Apr 2 00:30:30 basha modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module tty-ldisc-3Apr 2 00:30:30 basha pppd[512]: Couldn't set tty to PPP discipline: Invalid argumentApr 2 00:30:30 basha pppoe[513]: PADS: Service-Name: ''Apr 2 00:30:30 basha pppoe[513]: PPP session is 501Apr 2 00:30:30 basha pppoe[513]: read (asyncReadFromPPP): Input/output errorApr 2 00:30:30 basha pppoe[513]: Sent PADTApr 2 00:30:30 basha pppd[512]: Exit.Apr 2 00:30:30 basha adsl-connect: ADSL connection lost; attempting re-connection.Apr 2 00:30:39 basha adsl-stop: Killing pppd any ideas?
Re: XFree 4 and TNT2
After my upgrade to testing, I noticed that I'm still using xserver-svga (3.3.6-31), so xinit start up saying: XFree86 Version 3.3.6 / X Window System Release Date: January 8 2000 The X symlink is /usr/X11R6/bin is wrong. If you do `ls -l /usr/X11R6/bin/X`, you should find it is linked to XF86_SVGA. The executable for XF864.0 is 'XFree86', locate this, and symlink it to /usr/X11R6/bin/X, and you should be away. I am the proud.. sorry, sad owner of a Riva TNT2 M64. These do NOT work with the Nvidia XF86 4.0 GL drivers. The system will hang (not just X, the whole shebang), so I ended up reverting to XFree 3.3.6 until such times as I get round to getting a better card. BTW, this is my first post since subscribing, so HELLO EVERYONE! Craig Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Original Message -- http://www.xfree86.org/4.0.2/Status22.html#22 says: 4.0.2: Support (accelerated) for the Riva 128, 128ZX, TNT, TNT2 (Ultra, Vanta, M64), GeForce (DDR, 256), GeForce2 (GTS, Ultra, MX), Quadro, and Quadro2 is provided by the "nv" driver. So... how do I get the "nv" driver? Thanks, Peter
some help me with SSLeay please
Hi there, Im having trouble getting SSL to work.. I have mod_ssl compiled into apache and SSLeay installed and I have a real certificate... Whats next? I have been through the archives and only found Shaleh asking the same question, but couldnt find any replies although I have been assured Shaleh was talked through it.. Could someone talk me through this aswell? Thanx. -- Regards, Cameron Andrews. -- SysAdmin for: Soft-Tech Information Services / Brisnet Star Hub http://www.st.net.au / http://www.star.brisnet.org.au And: My personal project, Darkrealm.net http://www.darkrealm.net