Re: [?]Identify BT Card, enable BT to pair with BT enabled Loudspeaker
Susmita/Rajib wrote: I need help with BT card identification in my laptop, enable it and pair it with a BT enabled loudspeaker. My daughter, a Graphic Designer, does this so easily with her Doze laptop. Why should it be a problem with Linux, as all the core device programs are in assembly and c? I have posted my query as usual in the Debian forums, but that being a cacophonic fish market, wouldn't yield an encouraging result, as usual. The post is here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7=145792=718471 I assure you that, as always, I shall post a [Solved] post in the Debian Forums in the end of this experience for future users. On 06.04.20 08:35, deloptes wrote: Too many words for nothing. You could mention what model and makes is your laptop. I can agree that it's good to post that info to mailing list, not just links to forums, especially when first link points to second link, which points to google drive... seems your bluetooth is BCM43142A0 mostly people do not read the documents on their machines and in case of BT they do not know there is a hardware or software switch to enable/disable. Susmita/Rajib: did you try to install firmware-bluez and firmware-misc-nonfree to see if they help? -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Windows 2000: 640 MB ought to be enough for anybody
Re: aptitude new packages list forgets old
> On 2019-07-08 19:21 +0200, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > >> I am trying to look which packages are new in buster that were not in >> stretch. I am using aptitude since it't great tool for browsing packages. Sven Joachim wrote: > Beware that the list of new packages in buster is way too large to > browse casually. In main alone there are over 13,000 new binary > packages! I did it for 20 years, I'm not going to stop now ;-) ... I know it takes more than a day to browse for new packages. but I have good overview of what all can packages in Debian do, worth it. >> until now it was easy: >> >> do 'f'orget new packages in aptitude >> change sources.list to point to new release >> do 'u'pdate packages list >> ... voila >> >> but now, when I do this, aptitude seems to forget all info about packages >> previously available. > > Indeed. I have seen this before, also when switching mirrors in > sources.list. I seems that aptitude somehow forgets about the > previously available packages before it sees the one from the new > repository, which could be called a bug. seems a bug, since in jessie this didn't happen. >> What do I wrong? Thanks > > I don't think you did actually anything wrong, since what you did ought > to work. To work around that, you could do either: > > - run "apt update" rather than aptitude after you changed sources.list, > or > > - _add_ an entry for the new release in sources.list rather than > replacing the current one (you may remove the old entry later). I have tried this as workaround and it helper. However, it doesn't show obsolete packages then. btw, if running update fails, the old lists are not removed, but intentionally failing the update is not what I want to do. > If you want to actually do that now, you need to point back your > sources.list to stretch temporarily and run > "aptitude update && aptitude forget-new" before proceeding with one of > the above suggestions. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. I'm not interested in your website anymore. If you need cookies, bake them yourself.
aptitude new packages list forgets old
Hello, I am trying to look which packages are new in buster that were not in stretch. I am using aptitude since it't great tool for browsing packages. until now it was easy: do 'f'orget new packages in aptitude change sources.list to point to new release do 'u'pdate packages list ... voila but now, when I do this, aptitude seems to forget all info about packages previously available. What do I wrong? Thanks -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Saving Private Ryan... Private Ryan exists. Overwrite? (Y/N)
Re: Regarding microcode update
On 26.03.18 19:05, VigneshDhanraj G wrote: After microcode update, for signature=0x306a9 upgraded revision should be 0x1f but dmesg shows wrong revision any ideas what went wrong. according to the log, firmware was updated from 0x17 to 0x1b which version of intel-microcode do you have installed? did you reboot after upgrading the package? In intel release notes, came across the below notes which says that it should upgraded to 0x1f. IVB E2 6-3a-9:12 1c->1f dhanraj@debian:~$ dmesg | grep microcode [2.542014] microcode: CPU0 sig=0x306a9, pf=0x2, revision=0x17 [2.543391] platform microcode: firmware: agent loaded intel-ucode/06-3a-09 into memory [2.543971] microcode: CPU0 updated to revision 0x1b, date = 2014-05-29 [2.543997] microcode: CPU1 sig=0x306a9, pf=0x2, revision=0x17 [2.545378] platform microcode: firmware: agent loaded intel-ucode/06-3a-09 into memory [2.545647] microcode: CPU1 updated to revision 0x1b, date = 2014-05-29 [2.545674] microcode: CPU2 sig=0x306a9, pf=0x2, revision=0x17 [2.547079] platform microcode: firmware: agent loaded intel-ucode/06-3a-09 into memory [2.547357] microcode: CPU2 updated to revision 0x1b, date = 2014-05-29 [2.547366] microcode: CPU3 sig=0x306a9, pf=0x2, revision=0x17 [2.548655] platform microcode: firmware: agent loaded intel-ucode/06-3a-09 into memory [2.548920] microcode: CPU3 updated to revision 0x1b, date = 2014-05-29 [2.548942] microcode: CPU4 sig=0x306a9, pf=0x2, revision=0x17 [2.550180] platform microcode: firmware: agent loaded intel-ucode/06-3a-09 into memory [2.550460] microcode: CPU4 updated to revision 0x1b, date = 2014-05-29 [2.550480] microcode: CPU5 sig=0x306a9, pf=0x2, revision=0x17 [2.551675] platform microcode: firmware: agent loaded intel-ucode/06-3a-09 into memory [2.551957] microcode: CPU5 updated to revision 0x1b, date = 2014-05-29 [2.551978] microcode: CPU6 sig=0x306a9, pf=0x2, revision=0x17 [2.553162] platform microcode: firmware: agent loaded intel-ucode/06-3a-09 into memory [2.553429] microcode: CPU6 updated to revision 0x1b, date = 2014-05-29 [2.553435] microcode: CPU7 sig=0x306a9, pf=0x2, revision=0x17 [2.554585] platform microcode: firmware: agent loaded intel-ucode/06-3a-09 into memory [2.554851] microcode: CPU7 updated to revision 0x1b, date = 2014-05-29 [2.554898] microcode: Microcode Update Driver: v2.00 < tig...@aivazian.fsnet.co.uk>, Peter Oruba Need to understand what went wrong in my side. Regards, Vigneshdhanraj -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. There's a long-standing bug relating to the x86 architecture that allows you to install Windows. -- Matthew D. Fuller
Re: unattended-upgrade fails to upgrade libreoffice
Hello, On 22.05.15 22:51, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: I have libreoffice and unattended-upgrades installed on wheezy/i386. the newer libreoffice packages have been uploaded some time ago, but unattended-upgrade still fails to install them. When I run unattended-upgrade -d, strange error appears: pkg 'libreoffice-evolution' now marked delete ... pkg 'libreoffice-gnome' now marked delete Trying to upgrade manually with apt-get or aptitude reports no problem, (no conflistsor dependencies) but unattended-upgrade still fails. Is there a known problem related to this message? I see no reply... It seems something fell out of the paste Checking: libreoffice-evolution ([Origin component:'main' archive:'oldstable' origin:'Debian' label:'Debian-Security' site:'security.debian.org' isTrusted:True]) pkg 'libreoffice-gnome' now marked delete sanity check failed Checking: libreoffice-gnome ([Origin component:'main' archive:'oldstable' origin:'Debian' label:'Debian-Security' site:'security.debian.org' isTrusted:True]) pkg 'libreoffice-evolution' now marked delete sanity check failed it could be a result of circular dependencies and conflicts - all +deb7u4 packages depend on libreoffice-core - libreoffice-core*+deb7u4 conflicts with older packages versions -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Remember half the people you know are below average. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150529201527.ga27...@fantomas.sk
unattended-upgrade fails to upgrade libreoffice
Hello, I have libreoffice and unattended-upgrades installed on wheezy/i386. the newer libreoffice packages have been uploaded some time ago, but unattended-upgrade still fails to install them. When I run unattended-upgrade -d, strange error appears: pkg 'libreoffice-evolution' now marked delete ... pkg 'libreoffice-gnome' now marked delete (the full output below). Trying to upgrade manually with apt-get or aptitude reports no problem, (no conflistsor dependencies) but unattended-upgrade still fails. Is there a known problem related to this message? root@fhome# unattended-upgrade -d Initial blacklisted packages: Starting unattended upgrades script Allowed origins are: ['origin=Debian,archive=stable,label=Debian-Security', 'origin=Debian,archive=oldstable,label=Debian-Security'] Checking: libreoffice ([Origin component:'main' archive:'oldstable' origin:'Debian' label:'Debian-Security' site:'security.debian.org' isTrusted:True]) pkg 'libreoffice-evolution' now marked delete sanity check failed Checking: libreoffice-base ([Origin component:'main' archive:'oldstable' origin:'Debian' label:'Debian-Security' site:'security.debian.org' isTrusted:True]) pkg 'libreoffice-evolution' now marked delete sanity check failed Checking: libreoffice-base-core ([Origin component:'main' archive:'oldstable' origin:'Debian' label:'Debian-Security' site:'security.debian.org' isTrusted:True]) pkg 'libreoffice-evolution' now marked delete sanity check failed Checking: libreoffice-calc ([Origin component:'main' archive:'oldstable' origin:'Debian' label:'Debian-Security' site:'security.debian.org' isTrusted:True]) pkg 'libreoffice-evolution' now marked delete sanity check failed Checking: libreoffice-core ([Origin component:'main' archive:'oldstable' origin:'Debian' label:'Debian-Security' site:'security.debian.org' isTrusted:True]) pkg 'libreoffice-evolution' now marked delete sanity check failed Checking: libreoffice-draw ([Origin component:'main' archive:'oldstable' origin:'Debian' label:'Debian-Security' site:'security.debian.org' isTrusted:True]) pkg 'libreoffice-evolution' now marked delete sanity check failed Checking: libreoffice-evolution ([Origin component:'main' archive:'oldstable' origin:'Debian' label:'Debian-Security' site:'security.debian.org' isTrusted:True]) sanity check failed Checking: libreoffice-filter-binfilter ([Origin component:'main' archive:'oldstable' origin:'Debian' label:'Debian-Security' site:'security.debian.org' isTrusted:True]) pkg 'libreoffice-evolution' now marked delete sanity check failed Checking: libreoffice-gnome ([Origin component:'main' archive:'oldstable' origin:'Debian' label:'Debian-Security' site:'security.debian.org' isTrusted:True]) pkg 'libreoffice-evolution' now marked delete sanity check failed Checking: libreoffice-gtk ([Origin component:'main' archive:'oldstable' origin:'Debian' label:'Debian-Security' site:'security.debian.org' isTrusted:True]) pkg 'libreoffice-evolution' now marked delete sanity check failed Checking: libreoffice-impress ([Origin component:'main' archive:'oldstable' origin:'Debian' label:'Debian-Security' site:'security.debian.org' isTrusted:True]) pkg 'libreoffice-evolution' now marked delete sanity check failed Checking: libreoffice-kde ([Origin component:'main' archive:'oldstable' origin:'Debian' label:'Debian-Security' site:'security.debian.org' isTrusted:True]) pkg 'libreoffice-evolution' now marked delete sanity check failed Checking: libreoffice-math ([Origin component:'main' archive:'oldstable' origin:'Debian' label:'Debian-Security' site:'security.debian.org' isTrusted:True]) pkg 'libreoffice-evolution' now marked delete sanity check failed Checking: libreoffice-officebean ([Origin component:'main' archive:'oldstable' origin:'Debian' label:'Debian-Security' site:'security.debian.org' isTrusted:True]) pkg 'libreoffice-evolution' now marked delete sanity check failed Checking: libreoffice-writer ([Origin component:'main' archive:'oldstable' origin:'Debian' label:'Debian-Security' site:'security.debian.org' isTrusted:True]) pkg 'libreoffice-evolution' now marked delete sanity check failed Checking: python-uno ([Origin component:'main' archive:'oldstable' origin:'Debian' label:'Debian-Security' site:'security.debian.org' isTrusted:True]) pkg 'libreoffice-evolution' now marked delete sanity check failed pkgs that look like they should be upgraded: Fetched 0 B in 0s (0 B/s) fetch.run() result: 0 blacklist: [] InstCount=0 DelCount=0 BrokenCout=0 Packages that are upgraded: root@fhome# -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. WinError #9: Out
i915 disable framebuffer, not X
Hello, I have laptop with intel graphics chipset, and I would like to prevent it from using framebuffer, while allow X intel driver. I'm using wheezy+backports, kernel 3.16.5 (linux-image-3.16-0.bpo.3-686-pae) When I disabled mode switching by kernel option i915.modeset=0 or nomodeset, framebuffer was not used and vesa driver was selected by X ... is it possible to use X without framebuffer with intel driver? I am not member of the list, please Cc: me privately, thank you. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. My mind is like a steel trap - rusty and illegal in 37 states. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141124075702.ga...@fantomas.sk
Re: force-confmiss does not work
On 2012-03-11 17:31 +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: I'm trying to reinstall smb.conf file as it came with samba-common. However, even when I reinstall samba-common (into which it seems to appear) with the force-confmiss option, it won't get reinstlled: Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: This happens because the file /etc/samba/smb.conf is managed with ucf(1) and not shipped in the package, hence dpkg does not know about it. Thanks for explanation. Is Debian leaving the old way of maintaining config files in favor of ucf? How to get the file reinstalled, amongst purging and reinstalling it? Set the UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS environment variable, e.g. # UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS=1 apt-get --reinstall install samba-common should do the trick. Maybe dpkg should set this variable when it's called with confmiss option... it kindof sucks finding out that documented way to restore config file does not work. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Saving Private Ryan... Private Ryan exists. Overwrite? (Y/N) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jjnl2c$e1o$1...@dough.gmane.org
force-confmiss does not work
Hello, I'm trying to reinstall smb.conf file as it came with samba-common. However, even when I reinstall samba-common (into which it seems to appear) with the force-confmiss option, it won't get reinstlled: # apt-get -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confmiss --reinstall install samba-common Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 1 not fully installed or removed. After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used. Setting up samba-common (2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze6) ... Not replacing deleted config file /etc/samba/smb.conf chmod: cannot access `/etc/samba/smb.conf': No such file or directory dpkg: error processing samba-common (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 configured to not write apport reports Errors were encountered while processing: samba-common is this a problem of samba-common package? How to get the file reinstalled, amongst purging and reinstalling it? -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Where do you want to go to die? [Microsoft] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120311163141.ga7...@fantomas.sk
booting MD on LSI problem
Hello, I've installed squeeze onto machine with LSI logic 53c1010. the system is on raid1 MD on two SCSI disks connected to the LSI card. after install (worked without problems), I can not boot - the initramfs does not find root (md0) filesystem. Of course, just after this message, the disks on the LSI are detected by kernel. I have tried to add sym53c8xx to /etc/modules and rebuild the MD, but after interchanging MD disks, I'm back there.. How can I force the kernel to load the SCSI driver first and search for MD modules after disks are detected? I'm not subscribed to this list, please Cc: me personally. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. A day without sunshine is like, night. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2023193543.ga30...@fantomas.sk
Re: Advices regarding hdparm multcount option
On 22.07.09 14:31, Dominique Dumont wrote: My Gygabyte motherboard (SB700 with AMD4400+) has poor SATA performance. Any disk I/O leads to high system CPU percentage. And the AHCI interrupt is about 1000/s even for low disk usage. Using hdparm, I've found that all my sata disks have multcount set to 0: $ sudo hdparm /dev/sdb /dev/sdb: multcount = 0 (off) IO_support= 0 (default) readonly = 0 (off) readahead = 256 (on) geometry = 38913/255/63, sectors = 625142448, start = 0 As far as I can tell, I should get better performance by setting mulcount to 8 or 16. (ie. hdparm -m 16 /dev/sdb) But, hdparm warns that -m is a dangerous option. What is your opinion on this ? Is this really dangerous ? Or is it only when playing with too high mulcount value ? afaik those options only work when DMA is not in use, and using DMA is usually much faster. Are you using any kind of hardware RAID? Which kernel do you have? I think that you are missing good drivers for the sata... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. They say when you play that M$ CD backward you can hear satanic messages. That's nothing. If you play it forward it will install Windows. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installation of Iceape(aka Seamonkey ) blocked in Debian 5
On Thursday 17 September 2009 14:28:55 William Foster wrote: I've just downloaded Debian 5 Lenny (stable), and installed it on the second had drive on this secondary computer, where I have many linux disros installed. I quite Like it as a Linux distribution, but I was disappointed to find I could not install Iceape ( i.e. Seamonkey; my favorite web-browser ). On searching I found it had been effectively blocked/removed, due to a lack of volunteers to solve compatability problems. To my surprise there is apparently very little call for it. On 17.09.09 15:21, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Yes, upstream has effectively abandoned it, and many users have been moving to iceweasel[1]. It was removed from Lenny because it just wasn't release- quality. well, it's not being officially maintained by mozilla foundation anymore, but it's still maintained and supported. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Windows 2000: 640 MB ought to be enough for anybody -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: iceape back in sid :)
On 2009-07-25 13:13, Gerard Robin wrote: Thank you to the programmers who maintain iceape again. On 25.07.09 13:50, Ron Johnson wrote: Honest question: why use iceape/SeaMonkey? What benefits does it give you above firefox/tbird/pidgin? forgot sunbird :-) ...that's just it ;-) -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Saving Private Ryan... Private Ryan exists. Overwrite? (Y/N) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KVM switch - screen resolution
On 16.08.09 08:21, Fabrice Nkonko wrote: I am having a problem setting the screen resolution when I use a KVM switch. When I connect my monitor directly to the linux box I can set high resolution such as 1024x764 or more; however when the monitor is connect via a KVM switch I only get two options (800x600 and 640x480). How can I fix this issue? I'd say very hardly. Maybe if you let the graphics card to re-read monitor properties. When graphics card doesn't know them, it may not let you to switch the resolution. Does that happen anytime you are connected to the switch (even if you booted our laptop being connected there and switched to monitor?). In such case you can either force the resolution, or throw off the switch... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Linux - It's now safe to turn on your computer. Linux - Teraz mozete pocitac bez obav zapnut. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: System Volume on Lenny
On 02.09.09 09:28, Roman Gelfand wrote: I find that the volume is low. Can something be done to increase it? there were some problems related to new kernels and pulseaudio. if you have pulseaudio and 2.6.3* kernel, try removing PA or booting older kernel. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. - Have you got anything without Spam in it? - Well, there's Spam egg sausage and Spam, that's not got much Spam in it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: 64-bit *libraries* in 32-bit repositories???
On 2009-07-20 09:19, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2009-07-20 14:52 +0200, David Fox wrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Ron Johnsonron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: But why the opposite, like lib64bz2-1.0 in the i386 repository? Maybe just for the converse reason, running amd64 binaries on a mostly 32-bit userland setup. I guess this would work with a 32-bit kernel. Not a chance, a 64-bit kernel is required to run any 64-bit binary. On 20.07.09 11:11, Ron Johnson wrote: So if you're running a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userland, it would theoretically be useful. But there's no bzip2-64 in the i386 repos. bzip2 is linked with libbz2, it's quite possible that kernel select those 64bit libraries in order to give apps a speed benefit when running 64bit kernel -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. We are but packets in the Internet of life (userfriendly.org) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Security support for Squeeze delayed
On Monday 20 July 2009 17:09:57 Soren Orel wrote: So is Debian Squeeze not up-to-date by security fixes? wow. :S:S On 21.07.09 03:39, Jesús M. Navarro wrote: Why should it? It's testing, after all: too much work for too short a benefit. because some time ago security support was promised for testing in addition to stable. ... I understand that it may be problem, otoh it shouldn't be a big problem to quickly push packages to testing or remove them from there... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Linux IS user friendly, it's just selective who its friends are... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Force the kernel to use generic ide driver
On 02.07.09 18:23, Kushal Koolwal wrote: I am using a Etch and a half kernel 2.6.24 on my Debian Lenny system. This kernel does not have the IDE driver for my chipset. However, I do remember that if the native IDE driver is not present, then the generic ide driver is loaded. However, in my case Debian does not load the generic ide driver and it gets stuck at the message: Waiting for root filesysyem. Does anybody know how can I force the 2.6.24 kernel to load the generic ide driver for my IDE chipset? Can you try upgrading to lenny? Which chipset is that? I think there's generic PCI IDE chipset support in kernels, however if you have this problem it may not apply for the chipset you have. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installing nvidia / lenny / DELL Precision T7500: solved !
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Andrei Popescuandreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: P.S. No need to CC me, I'm subscribed On 03.07.09 10:07, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: If I hit 'reply' only your email shows up, so I definitely need to hit 'reply all'. This should not be a problem as gmail is merging both -identical- email, right ? ask gmail staff to provide list-reply function if it does not already. Until then, remove the sender's address unless sender asked for private reply. Not senting personal copies unless sender asks for them is in debian mailing lists policy. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Honk if you love peace and quiet. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: ext4 stable enough to entrust it with data?
On 01.07.09 21:59, lee wrote: Well, I could live with that. But I just went with ext4 for the new disks and made a new FS on /tmp to convert it to ext4. At some time I might convert /var to ext4. Unless I needed a really big /tmp, I've been using /tmp on tmpfs for years (mfs on FreeBSD, tmpfs on solaris, and ramdisk on linux before tmpfs became available). It was much faster than anything else... no disk i/o involved if I had enough of memory, and I added the disk space as swap if I needed a bit more space. Try tmpfs on /tmp if you don't work with huge files in /tmp. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Due to unexpected conditions Windows 2000 will be released in first quarter of year 1901 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: security problem with proftpd
On 26.06.09 10:35, Jesus arteche wrote: I'm working with proftpd, it works right, the users make login and access to the directories with the right permmission, but when they access to their directoris they can also see the others directories from other users. How can i do to make them just to see their directories? you can lock users in their home directoried by using DefaultRoot option, read the docs for more info. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. To Boot or not to Boot, that's the question. [WD1270 Caviar] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: wrong permission?
On 24.06.09 21:49, ronggui wong wrote: Now, I figured out the reason. It is because documentation folder is set as my document under my Windows XP. How is Debian so smart to know that? apparently a wine issue. Another possible reason would be that the is set to read-only. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 9:20 AM, ronggui wongronggui.w...@gmail.com wrote: My Debian mounts a vfat partition automatically, the setting of fstab is as follows: ## /etc/fstab /dev/hda6 /media/wine vfat defaults,users,umask=000,shortname=winnt,uid=wincent,gid=wincent 0 0 However, two folders in the partition have different permissions. It seems that I can not change it. Any suggestions? Thanks. winc...@debian:~$ ls -l /media/wine total 80 dr-xr-xr-x 49 wincent wincent 16384 2008-02-10 documentation drwxrwxrwx 2 wincent wincent 16384 2007-09-22 Recycled winc...@debian:~$ chmod o+w /media/wine/documentation winc...@debian:~$ ls -l /media/wine/ total 80 dr-xr-xr-x 49 wincent wincent 16384 2008-02-10 documentation drwxrwxrwx 2 wincent wincent 16384 2007-09-22 Recycled -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. I don't have lysdexia. The Dog wouldn't allow that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: mailining list deactivate
On Sat,20.Jun.09, 22:50:16, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: (IOW how does it know whether a message is from a mailing list even without the subscribe and list command.) But it can't differ between those two so at least 'subscribe' is needed. I've already had problem with the List-Id: in mutt... On 21.06.09 19:39, Andrei Popescu wrote: Not really: $ grep subscribe .mutt/* $ Ok, I'll explain more deeply: a subscribe is needed if you want mutt to insert proper Mail-Followup-To: header to the mail, so clients using the header won't respond to you personally... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Linux is like a teepee: no Windows, no Gates and an apache inside... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 05:45:46PM +0800, 明覺 wrote: yes, currently, I'm almost a one programming language only people, I can accept the existence of other languages, but I think they should be optional, not necessory! On 22.06.09 10:06, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Such an attitude won't get you very far in a Linux ecosphere. If you're concerened about integration, you'll certainly have to know shell scripting (and a bit of awk, sed and alike). And unless your system is rather minimal, using a dynamic language such as perl or python is a huge time saver. otoh, I also dislike the need for many scripting languages. Perl, python, tcl, lua, ruby, lisp, scheme... I'd be also glad if packages like openssl-blacklist didn't require python... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Microsoft dick is soft to do no harm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: dhcp-forwarder
On 15.06.09 17:50, Alex Samad wrote: this package used to be in the repo. all that seems to be left is dhcp3-relay - which doesn't seem to work :( any one know why dchp-fwd was remove - did a quick google but just found lots of bug reports maybe that is exactly the reason. Shouldn't it be better to find out why dhcp3-relay doesn't seem to work? -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Two words: Windows survives. - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin. - Matthew Alton -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: 'Applications, Accessories, Root Terminal' fails silently
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Matus UHLAR - fantomasuh...@fantomas.sk wrote: On 13.06.09 09:32, Patrick Wiseman wrote: Running 'sudo gnome-terminal' (which is the equivalent) reports 'Failed to contact the GConf daemon; exiting.' How do I fix this? Is it some idiotic security feature? (I get really steamed when fear overrides function!) why do you want to sun gnome-terminal under sudo, instead of running su/sudo in gnome terminal? On 15.06.09 09:36, Patrick Wiseman wrote: Doing the former allows me to open new tabs as root, doing the latter (with 'su') requires that I provide my root password every time; using 'sudo' requires that I provide 'sudo command' every time. It's just a lot less convenient, but still doable, which is why the security excuse is BS. It's yet another example of sacrificing function to fear. Are you fully aware that in such case, only your password will be needed to get full system access instead of requiring root's password? -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Fucking windows! Bring Bill Gates! (Southpark the movie) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: mailining list deactivate
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 01:07:25PM +0200, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 02:36:39PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Though there's no reason that the list couldn't tag on another text part with the unsubscribe footer (though the bigger issue is why doesn't the guy's mail reader support List-Unsubscribe and List-Subscribe headers in the first place... it's 2009, they've been around for ~20 years now...). I think 11 isn't 20 :) On 07.06.09 20:47, Chris Bannister wrote: Mutt doesn't support them, it only has: display-toggle-weed --- display message and toggle header weeding mostly because mutt is a mail client, while those headers use HTTP notation which is imho a big flaw in the RFC 2369... On 16.06.09 22:39, Chris Bannister wrote: U ... but mutt supports the List-ID header, I know, however I even don't understand why doesn't the List-id contain e-mail address but string where the '@' is replaced by a '.' ... and It's still different RFC. (IOW how does it know whether a message is from a mailing list even without the subscribe and list command.) But it can't differ between those two so at least 'subscribe' is needed. I've already had problem with the List-Id: in mutt... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. There's a long-standing bug relating to the x86 architecture that allows you to install Windows. -- Matthew D. Fuller -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: house planning software
On 17.06.09 00:12, mi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote: I was wondering if there is any software that allows building a 3d model of the house/appartment to help with the planning Tried the sims? ;-) -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. BSE = Mad Cow Desease ... BSA = Mad Software Producents Desease -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: amavisd-new does not start because of DKIM.pm absence.
Thank You for Your time and answer, Matus: you've apparenly had DKIM installed via CPAN, with the older perl version... I recommend installing the debian way... On 13.06.09 12:47, Sthu Deus wrote: NO! I did use only debian repos! - This is the reason of my wondering - how can this be. what does the following show? % apt-cache policy perl amavisd-new libmail-dkim-perl -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Boost your system's speed by 500% - DEL C:\WINDOWS\*.* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: 'Applications, Accessories, Root Terminal' fails silently
On 13.06.09 09:32, Patrick Wiseman wrote: Running 'sudo gnome-terminal' (which is the equivalent) reports 'Failed to contact the GConf daemon; exiting.' How do I fix this? Is it some idiotic security feature? (I get really steamed when fear overrides function!) why do you want to sun gnome-terminal under sudo, instead of running su/sudo in gnome terminal? -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. The box said 'Requires Windows 95 or better', so I bought a Macintosh. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: mailining list deactivate
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 02:36:39PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Though there's no reason that the list couldn't tag on another text part with the unsubscribe footer (though the bigger issue is why doesn't the guy's mail reader support List-Unsubscribe and List-Subscribe headers in the first place... it's 2009, they've been around for ~20 years now...). I think 11 isn't 20 :) On 07.06.09 20:47, Chris Bannister wrote: Mutt doesn't support them, it only has: display-toggle-weed --- display message and toggle header weeding mostly because mutt is a mail client, while those headers use HTTP notation which is imho a big flaw in the RFC 2369... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: OT Picture in Web Page Problem
Am 2009-06-07 11:19:08, schrieb Girish Kulkarni: A better one of which, of course, is GNU Emacs. On 09.06.09 20:04, Michelle Konzack wrote: Geek! -- EMacs is not an editor, it is an Operating System! :-D ... that lacks a good text editor ... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: amavisd-new does not start because of DKIM.pm absence.
Thank You for Your time and answer, Florian:
dpkg -l amavisd-new spamassassin libmail-dkim-perl | awk
'/^[^D|+]/{print$1,$2,$3}'
On 10.06.09 15:48, Sthu Deus wrote:
I did not have libmail-dkim-perl... Interesting how it did work before at
first. And dependency did not work for it in case he new version did require
it at the second.
you've apparenly had DKIM installed via CPAN, with the older perl version...
I recommend installing the debian way...
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Re: Replacing a Debian package with the original source package
Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk writes: don't remove it. unpack the svn version, cd to the mplayer directory, do an % dch -v 1.0svndate-your.version.number edit debian/rules and run fakeroot debian/rules binary Yes, the MPlayer contains control files for debian... On 09.06.09 19:53, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Thanks, but unfortunately I already removed the old Mplayer and freshly installed the new one on my laptop. But I have to replace Mplayer also on my sister's desktop machine. So, can you please be more clear? What precisely shall the `dch -v 1.0svndate-your.version.number' command be? it should look like: % cd mplayer_dir % dch -v 1.0svndate-your.version.number % edit debian/rules % fakeroot debian/rules binary with replacing the date and your.version.number by date of the SVN origin and your personal revision e.g. rodolfo0, rodolfo1 etc... And how should debian/rules be edited? well, you don't really need to edit it but you may have to. I put things like --enable-gui, --disable-tremor-internal, --enable-xvmc and other ./configure options there. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Quantum mechanics: The dreams stuff is made of. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: OT Picture in Web Page Problem
On 06.06.09 21:18, Thomas H. George wrote: My first try at web page design. Installed Apache2, tried http://dragon.zoo/index.html and it worked. Created an html file: htmlbody h1Weekday Skiers/h1 img scr=/data/Scratch/47cc75e.jpg width=500 height=300 / note that this must be URL path, not filesystem path, to see the image from the web. Is the image accessible via http://dragon.zoo/data/Scratch/47cc75e.jpg ? ... amongst the already-pointed-out fact it's src (source), not scr :) and got a gray 300x500 box. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how popular it remains? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Howto make ipip tunnel?
On 02.06.09 02:45, EQMaker wrote: I'm trying to make a 'IPIP Tunnel' between 2 linux-boxes What should I study to make IPIP-Tunnel? google ;) This is my plan. [Side A] - Client eth0 : 192.168.154.1 (A-side local) eth1 : 121.131.132.32 (to Side B / real IP for ex.) ipip1 : 10.10.1.1 (tunnel IP - for eth0s of side-A and side-B) [Side B] - Server eth0 : 192.168.10.4 (B-side local) eth1 : 64.13.24.5 (going to A-side / real IP for ex.) ipip1 : 10.10.1.2 (tunnel IP - for eth0s of side-A and side-B) I have this in my interfaces file: iface tunnel0 inet static address local_private netmask 255.255.255.255 mtu 1480 pre-up iptunnel add tunnel0 mode ipip remote remote_public local local_public post-up route add -host remote_private dev tunnel0 post-down iptunnel del tunnel0 However this is just for running ipip links between two hosts (don't ask). However I think that using subnet remote_private should work... And of course remember to exchange ips on other host... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Boost your system's speed by 500% - DEL C:\WINDOWS\*.* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT] Hosting a DNS
On 03.06.09 21:23, GNUbie wrote: What do you think is the main reason or the importance of hosting your own DNS when your ISP and/or Domain Registrar can host it for you for FREE? direct access to the zones, ability to change it whenever you want. However applies even if you run the primary and your ISP the secondary. Normally if you are going to host your own DNS for your organization, ideally you need to run it at least on two (2) different machines connected at least to two (2) different ISPs. Just run the (hidden) primary on your machine and ask one-two providers to run the secondary -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. REALITY.SYS corrupted. Press any key to reboot Universe. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Replacing a Debian package with the original source package
On 03.06.09 19:16, Rodolfo Medina wrote: In my Debian system I have Mplayer that came with Debian and want to replace with its svn version, recommended by Mplayer developers. What shall I do in order to remove the old one? Will an `apt-get purge' be enough? Or just remove the binary file? don't remove it. unpack the svn version, cd to the mplayer directory, do an % dch -v 1.0svndate-your.version.number edit debian/rules and run fakeroot debian/rules binary Yes, the MPlayer contains control files for debian... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Where do you want to go to die? [Microsoft] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: mailining list deactivate
Hey, I notice that that appears at the bottom of only some messages. What would cause that (cause it not to appear for some message)? HTML mail? On 04.06.09 14:36, Paul Johnson wrote: Though there's no reason that the list couldn't tag on another text part with the unsubscribe footer (though the bigger issue is why doesn't the guy's mail reader support List-Unsubscribe and List-Subscribe headers in the first place... it's 2009, they've been around for ~20 years now...). Also, the OP is using Thunderbird and there are extensions for working with mailing lists forthunderbird: mailinglistheader, reply-to-list and possibly others... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Enter any 12-digit prime number to continue. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What happened to network devices?
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 12:09:53PM +0200, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 11:55:11PM +0100, James Youngman wrote: So what did you use instead? I have never had trouble with using eth0 or /dev/eth0 before, so I didn't check if such a file existed. A network interface is a device which I expect to be represented under /dev. Not so, at least on Linux. On 03.06.09 10:51, lee wrote: Well, all devices are supposed to be available under /dev. Who told you that? I have never heard of this and I work with linux since 1997... On 04.06.09 11:06, lee wrote: I've read that a long time ago. Who told you otherwise? Was that about linux? I haven't remember there was anything like that on linux (maybe some distros have/had patch?). I remember solaris having on-fs devices for network _drivers_, but not for interfaces, e.g. /dev/le for le*, For example, you cannot use open(2) or rename(2) on eth0. It wouldn't make much sense if you could, would it? That's just it. There's no reason to work with them as with files, so there's no reason to have them on filesystem. They are devices, and you need to be able to specify them. There's no reason not to represent them. There's no reason to specify and represent them as files. Programs accessing network devices use different syscalls than those accessing files. as I said, I don't see reason why they should be placed on filesystem and I don't remember that they were... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them, One OS to bring them all and into darkness bind them -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
LILO not run after kernel install/update
Well, re-sending since nobody replied... On 02.06.09 18:52, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: I noticed that in lenny, installing new linux image doesn't cause lilo to be run, therefore the system might get unbootable. I don't see any info about lilo (or any boot loader) being called Is there any docs about this and is there any way to cause lilo run after kernel image install? I have /etc/kernel-img.conf with do_bootloader = Yes for a long time, even tried loader = lilo (after reading the postinst) but is did not help. P.S. no, I won't use grub. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Posli tento mail 100 svojim znamim - nech vidia aky si idiot Send this email to 100 your friends - let them see what an idiot you are -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT] Gmail posters! turn off html! (was: Re: How to improve performance on laptop?)
On 30.05.09 18:51, s. keeling wrote: Subject: [OT] Gmail posters! turn off html! (was: Re: How to improve performance on laptop?) This is a mailing list. The text is all that's needed. Thanks. gmail even breaks plaintext parts of quoted text - even text written by user, that shouldn't get quoted, gets quoted -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What happened to network devices?
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 11:55:11PM +0100, James Youngman wrote: So what did you use instead? I have never had trouble with using eth0 or /dev/eth0 before, so I didn't check if such a file existed. A network interface is a device which I expect to be represented under /dev. Not so, at least on Linux. On 03.06.09 10:51, lee wrote: Well, all devices are supposed to be available under /dev. Who told you that? I have never heard of this and I work with linux since 1997... Network interfaces are not represented as any kind of file (and specifically not as device special files) on Linux. Why not? Afair they used to be --- and even if not, I'd expect them to be represented under /dev because all devices are supposed to be represented there. you expect wrong. Why should they be there? For example, you cannot use open(2) or rename(2) on eth0. It wouldn't make much sense if you could, would it? That's just it. There's no reason to work with them as with files, so there's no reason to have them on filesystem. I've heard (mostly long ago, certainly before 1996) about Linux-based systems where interfaces also have nodes under /dev, but I've never heard of one where this is necessary. Afair I started using Linux before 1996. Somehow, I expect /dev/eth0 to be there as a matter of course. That's probably where it was last time I looked. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: package locally compiled gets upgraded
On 03.06.09 10:34, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2009-06-03 09:23 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Wed,03.Jun.09, 01:25:19, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 02.06.09 14:29, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: In 20090602185609.ga26...@fantomas.sk, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: is 1.2.3lenny1 more than 1.2.3local1? I would want that to get upgraded... No. 1.2.3lenny1 1.2.3local1 because lenny local because 'e' 'o'. so iif I name it 'local0' and 'lenny1' comes out, it won't be installed because the version number is smaller. True, therefore it is prudent to use a local version that sorts before lenny1, e.g. custom1. so I have to hope that one version of debian won't be called e.g. aachen because I'd need local versions starting like aaa or a~ I think the correct way is to *append* to the version, not munge it: 1.2.3lenny1+local1 (I like to use + as separator) This will not work if the original version is 1.2.3, because 1.2.3+local1 1.2.3lenny1 (the version for potential security updates). seems the only thing I can do now is hope that updates will be called lenny* so I'm limited in naming the local version... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
package locally compiled gets upgraded
Hello, I tried to locally recompile package wwwoffle because of some bugs in it. I have not changed the version hoping that the same version prevents apt from upgrading it. However apt runs upgrade while reinstalling the same version of package. Is there any way to tune this behaviour? I haven't changed the version so if any new version appeared in archive, I want to have it upgraded... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Silvester Stallone: Father of the RISC concept. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
installing linux image doesn't call lilo
Hello, I noticed that in lenny, installing new linux image doesn't cause lilo to be run, therefore the system might get unbootable. Is there any docs about this and is there any way to cause lilo run after kernel image install? I have /etc/kernel-img.conf with do_bootloader = Yes for a long time, even tried loader = lilo (after reading the postinst) but is did not help. P.S. no, I won't use grub. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. 2B|!2B, that's a question! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: package locally compiled gets upgraded
In 20090602162813.ga24...@fantomas.sk, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: I tried to locally recompile package wwwoffle because of some bugs in it. I have not changed the version hoping that the same version prevents apt from upgrading it. However apt runs upgrade while reinstalling the same version of package. Is there any way to tune this behaviour? I haven't changed the version so if any new version appeared in archive, I want to have it upgraded... On 02.06.09 13:30, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Alter the version number, but use something really small so the next version uploaded by a DD will trump yours. e.g. If the bugs are in a native package version 1.2.3, make your version 1.2.3local1 e.g. If the bugs are in a non-native package (I think wwwoffle is non- native) version 1.2-2lenny1, make your version 1.2-2lenny1local1. is 1.2.3lenny1 more than 1.2.3local1? I would want that to get upgraded... that's why I did not increment the version, I don't know what small changes could debian developers use in next version numbers... Alternatively, you could probably do version-pinning via origin, but I'm not sure about the specifics of that. The only thing I need i not to upgrade when version number matches... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Christian Science Programming: Let God Debug It!. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: package locally compiled gets upgraded
On 02.06.09 14:29, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
In 20090602185609.ga26...@fantomas.sk, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
is 1.2.3lenny1 more than 1.2.3local1? I would want that to get upgraded...
No. 1.2.3lenny1 1.2.3local1 because lenny local because 'e' 'o'.
so iif I name it 'local0' and 'lenny1' comes out, it won't be installed
because the version number is smaller.
that's why I did not increment the version, I don't know what small
changes could debian developers use in next version numbers...
You could look it up. It's all documented. You could use a even smaller
suffix if you are very concerned. I think the smallest positive suffix is
the letter 'a' followed by an arbitrarily long string of tildes '~'.
0-0~ 0-0 0-0a
0-0a 0-0a~ 0-0a~~ 0-0a~~~ (etc.)
You probably do want to change the version[1], but you have to decide by how
much. Instead of using local, I would use something that helps identify
the origin of the package like $company_name-$my_user_name; if that was
still larger than the current codename of stable (lenny) then I would
prefix it with the string ${codename}0.
of course, I usually use named like 'fantomas0' etc. I'm searching for
suffix that will cause reinstall when new version appears in debian
repository, so I need to know what versions use debian developers use for
any updates...
Alternatively, you could probably do version-pinning via origin, but I'm
not sure about the specifics of that.
The only thing I need i not to upgrade when version number matches...
Right, but you can't *just* pin by version because your package and the
Debian package has the same version. You'd have to pin by version AND
origin; your locally build package probably has an origin of (the empty
string).
I don't know, maybe you could pin by version and just use something positive
but less than 100?
I wonder why APT reinstalls the same version of package, it apparently
compares more than just version...
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Re: etch pam update not signed
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:04:23AM -0400, Tom Vier wrote: Anyone know why these aren't signed (or signed by an unknown key)? I installed the latest keyring. WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! libpam-runtime libpam0g libpam-modules libpq4 Install these packages without verification [y/N]? On 27.05.09 17:32, Jan Christoph Nordholz wrote: Looks good to me. You might want to check /etc/apt/trusted.gpg and the state of your debian-archive-keyring package. which means, upgrade debian-archive-keyring, re-fetch packages list and it should be ok then.-- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. To Boot or not to Boot, that's the question. [WD1270 Caviar] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: if no NFS server clients are waiting..
On 13.05.09 23:23, Michael Casey wrote: What can I do, If the NFS server is rebooting/offline? I mean the clients just wait and wait and wait... mount with options soft and intr. Be aware of rpoblems it may create. I tried to set timeo=5,retrans=2 mount options when mounting nfs in fstab on client side -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Spam = (S)tupid (P)eople's (A)dvertising (M)ethod -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: How to remove permanently mouse driver
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:37:16AM +0200, User Debian wrote: I would like to delete on the permanent basis the mouse driver from Debian. Any help will be more than welcome ! :) Roger Leigh wrote: echo 'blacklist psmouse' /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-local for a PS/2 mouse. This will prevent loading of the mouse driver on startup. For other mice e.g. USB, you'll need to do the same for the appropriate modules e.g usbmouse, usbhid. On 15.05.09 14:51, User Debian wrote: Thanks for your reply, it worked fine. However I still have the mouse arrow cursor on the screen. In fact in my setup, I have a touchscreen where I would like to make the mouse cursor disappear. I thought that in disabling the PS2 mouse it would have gone anyway, but did not. Any further help is welcome ! what you really want is to hide the cursor, not to remove the mouse driver. You need the driver in order to use mouse-like functions. Not even mentioning a possibility of connecting external mouse/trackball etc. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Emacs is a complicated operating system without good text editor. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: switch to mutt, can't get my normal dose of spam
On 12.05.09 16:50, Nick Lidakis wrote: After a quite a bit of reading about this mutt mua people are so fond of, I had the nerve to try to put down Mozilla's Thunderbird down for a while and take the mutt for a walk. Using -among other online sources- the debian mutt wiki as a guide, I get mutt installed, configure a decent (for a rookie) .muttrc, and replace exim with the simple ssmtp. I use mutt's internal POP facilties to get mail from my verizon mail account. I haven't configured procmail or spamassassin yet. A feeks weeks go by and I notice something strange. I'm not getting my healthy dose of spam like I used to get when using Tbird. The junk folder would get filled with a dozen or more a day. Now, nothing. The only couple of spam messages that I get are the one's from this list. I am getting mail from all my other legit sources. Did I do something wrong? Did I horribly misconfigure something? Maybe you should switch to using IMAP, which supports server-side folders, and see if there aren't any messages in different folders than INBOX on server. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. WinError #98652: Operation completed successfully. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Nvidia TNT Riva 2
On 09.05.09 13:45, brad wrote: I have an older TNT Riva 2 Model 64 graphics card. Is it possible to install the correct driver for this card in Debian Lenny? I'm afraid that even legacy drivers in lenny do not support that card. TNT2 was working with 71.* driver series that aren't available for lenny, at least not in official Debian repository. Bad, that was the best graphics card for PCI I could find (maybe the best at all). However you apparently could install driver from nvidia without packaging, or get other packages and hope they will work on lenny. See http://packages.debian.org/nvidia-glx-legacy -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. We are but packets in the Internet of life (userfriendly.org) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Nvidia TNT Riva 2
On Mon,18.May.09, 09:24:33, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 09.05.09 13:45, brad wrote: I have an older TNT Riva 2 Model 64 graphics card. Is it possible to install the correct driver for this card in Debian Lenny? I'm afraid that even legacy drivers in lenny do not support that card. TNT2 was working with 71.* driver series that aren't available for lenny, at least not in official Debian repository. Bad, that was the best graphics card for PCI I could find (maybe the best at all). On 18.05.09 12:21, Andrei Popescu wrote: Huh? A search for nvidia pci -pci-e reveals this: http://www.nvidia.com/page/qfx_600pci.html wow. But the first part is apparently still true. I was searching for good PCI graphics card ~7 years ago when I found RIVA TNT2... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Micro$oft random number generator: 0, 0, 0, 4.33e+67, 0, 0, 0... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: php.ini change: no effect on Local Value
On 11.05.09 01:44, Toba wrote: I want to set up Joomla! on a server. I leaved register_globals to On in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini. why? This should be turned off for some years. Turn it off asap. But as Joomla! requires register_globals to Off, I created a php.ini file in /var/www/joolma (the root directory). But no effect when I check phpinfo(): register_globals is still set to ON on both Master Value and Local Value. Does someone know why? Is my php.ini synthax incorrect? Have I to change something in main php.ini to permit a Local Value change? php.ini is a system-wide config, php does not use other configs. You can put php_flag into .htaccess or into apache configuration. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Remember half the people you know are below average. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: display with 3d eccelation not working after software upgrade
On 02.05.09 18:37, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote: Use: Debian Lenny i386 g. card: nvidia 7600 GS After upgrading to the latest kernel, I coudn't play computer game with 3d acceleration so I ran # nvidia-xconfig then I rebooted, but I could not get the display working along with nvidia driver so I had to resort to # dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg Even after purging and reinstalling nvidia-glx, I still could not use the driver and have 3d acceleration. Did I missed anything. did you also install nvidia kernel modules? Did you install the correct nvidia kernel/glx modules? (maybe you need the -legacy version) -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Atheism is a non-prophet organization. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2009 #643
On Thu,23.Apr.09, 09:52:05, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: I guess it's because sudo su does not require root's password, but users'. However this can have significant ipmact on system's security. On 25.04.09 22:17, Andrei Popescu wrote: More than 'sudo'? BTW, there is also a '-i' option to sudo. allowing sudo su is more dangerous than allowing most of commands (not those that allow executing of subshell...) It means that user can do anything with just his/her password, not needing the root's. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Enter any 12-digit prime number to continue. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: not an 8139C+ compatible chip, Try the 8139too driver instead
On 24.04.09 03:24, jida...@jidanni.org wrote: At boot with Linux 2.6.26-2-686 I see 8139cp :00:0f.0: This (id 10ec:8139 rev 10) is not an 8139C+ compatible chip 8139cp :00:0f.0: Try the 8139too driver instead. 8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.28 ACPI: PCI Interrupt :00:0f.0[A] - GSI 18 (level, low) - IRQ 18 eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xe000, 00:0c:76:7d:c6:7d, IRQ 18 eth0: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8101' $ lsmod|grep 8139 8139too20320 0 8139cp 16800 0 mii 4896 2 8139too,8139cp Questions: Should it say trying instead of try? as it seems to try it itself anyway. If 8139too is to be used instead, then why is 8139cp still shown by lsmod? apparently because it got loaded but not unloaded On 24.04.09 08:23, jida...@jidanni.org wrote: Now in 2.6.29-1-686 it just says 8139cp :00:0f.0: This (id 10ec:8139 rev 10) is not an 8139C+ compatible chip, use 8139too I assume use here is short for using and means I, the emitter of this message, will use, and not you, the person reading this message, should use, and thus I needn't worry about it. I think that it's the module telling user to try/use another module, but not loading it. It's other script that loads 8139too. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Windows found: (R)emove, (E)rase, (D)elete -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: IceApe on Lenny
Felix Miata wrote: After reading http://lists.debian.org/debian-doc/2009/02/msg00411.html and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=511477 the current status of IceApe is about as clear as Mud. It refused to install via apt-get, synaptic, and gnome-app-insta. I did get xulrunner-dev installed, but that didn't seem to accomplish anything - I don't see it in the KDE menu system. Bash can't find xulrunner or xulrunner-bin in the path. Is there a deb from which IceApe can be installed into Lenny? I know I can install the seamonkey from the SeaMonkey Project's tarball. Is that what most other Lenny users are doing? On 26.04.09 10:49, Ken Heard wrote: A package called iceape-browser is available in Lenny. It provides a browser and a simple composer. I use it for the latter only. Try aptitude show iceape-browser or apt-cache showpkg iceape-browser. I only see iceape-dev and iceape-dev-bin. Where did you install that one from? -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. 2B|!2B, that's a question! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: dist-upgrade to linux-image-2.6.26-2(Lenny5.0.0 to 5.0.1).Disk space question.
Still I wouldn't think it would take 70 mb, but maybe I'm wrong... :) It's not only about the kernel image. The whole modules for the new kernel will be installed into your /lib/modules/2.6.26-2 directory. That will take much space. On 2009-04-17, Daniel Dalton d.dal...@iinet.net.au wrote: Ah right, yes I know that, but still didn't think it was that much. Now I think about it again, I guess it is. On 17.04.09 06:49, Jeffrey Cao wrote: When I do du -sh /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/, it reports 56M. fnote% dpkg -s linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 Package: linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 Installed-Size: 58236 ... apparently he has installed other modules e.g. nvidia -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. 10 GOTO 10 : REM (C) Bill Gates 1998, All Rights Reserved! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: redirect time to file
On 17.04.09 22:00, Erik Xavior wrote: $ time echo hi file real0m0.000s user0m0.000s sys 0m0.000s $ why doesn't it redirect the: real0m0.000s user0m0.000s sys 0m0.000s to the file? even time echo hi 21 file doesnt work :O becayse many shell docs say you must first redirect strout to somewhere and THEN stderr to stdout. 21 file redirects stderr to stdout and only stdout to file, stderr will then point where stdout pointed before. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Micro$oft random number generator: 0, 0, 0, 4.33e+67, 0, 0, 0... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: router running Debian: Oversized Ethernet frame
On 29.04.09 13:40, H.S. wrote: I have an old machine running Debian Testing and working as a router with 2.6.26-2-686 kernel. Runs iptables firewall, has two lan cards and a wireless card for nat. Earlier today it was not responding, just hanged. In the logs I noticed these lines which I have never seen before: Apr 29 07:22:31 router kernel: [1280585.489463] eth1: Oversized Ethernet frame spanned multiple buffers, entry 0x21 length 0 status 0600! [...] After this it appears that the ppp0 connection (dsl) stopped working as did my home lan. what MTU do you have configured for eth1? It was apparently not enough. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Boost your system's speed by 500% - DEL C:\WINDOWS\*.* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: talkd won't run
On 18.04.09 13:37, Girish Kulkarni wrote:
While trying to get ytalk and talkd running on my Debian Lenny
systems, I find that inetd fails to start talkd. The relevant lines
in /etc/inetd.conf are:
talk dgram udp wait nobody.tty /usr/sbin/in.talkd in.talkd
ntalk dgram udp wait nobody.tty /usr/sbin/in.ntalkd in.ntalkd
what are relevant lines from inetd's logs?
does inetd run at all?
Haven't you disabled services in /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} ?
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Re: Update-alternatives questions
Paul E Condon: I can't find a way to simply list the link groups, or a way to learn what packages actually use/set which each link group. On 14.04.09 10:03, Jochen Schulz wrote: ls /etc/alternatives shows all the link groups on your system. It doesn't say which package uses which link group, though. /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/ contains file for each group, and each file contains list of possible alternatives -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Silvester Stallone: Father of the RISC concept. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: usb automount disabled by installing/removing autofs
On 12.04.09 01:34, Stephen Guzik wrote: Automounting used to work fine with gnome in squeeze. Then I installed and removed autofs and now it seems to be disabled. Does anyone know how to recover the original behaviour? automount mounts filesystems automatically when someone's trying to access the mount directory. for mounting USB driver there's usbmount which mounts them when they get connected. Check for that one -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Two words: Windows survives. - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin. - Matthew Alton -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Vuze, port 27714
On 12.04.09 22:29, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote: I'm using lenny amd64. It's weird that vuze keeps pestering me about port 27714 being closed since there's no rule blocking that port on iptables [...] and i can telnet to that port on localhost the server is apparently listening only on local interface, while client is trying to connect another IP. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Fucking windows! Bring Bill Gates! (Southpark the movie) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Flashdrive, read-only, cannot write
On 12.04.09 23:05, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote: I had this flash drive for a few months and a few days ago, I couldn't store data in it. I even try to reformat it but it just won't let me. Any suggestion before I buy a new one? what do kernel logs say? Haven't you enable write protection on the drive accidentaly? -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. There's a long-standing bug relating to the x86 architecture that allows you to install Windows. -- Matthew D. Fuller -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2009 #643
On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:34:27 -0400 Leonardo Cuyar Morales leo.cu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I want to begin a new with this: I use sudo user to do some commands like root but after I sudo su to become root I can't write archives and files owned by root, is there a program who let me write this files On 12.04.09 23:05, Amit Uttamchandani wrote: Why don't you simple use 'su' instead of 'sudo su'? Also, check the file permissions to make sure they are writable. If not, you can use chmod to make the file writable. I guess it's because sudo su does not require root's password, but users'. However this can have significant ipmact on system's security. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Boost your system's speed by 500% - DEL C:\WINDOWS\*.* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Thunderbird annooyance
On 09.04.09 15:26, Frank McCormick wrote: I am using T'bird 2.0.0.21 on Squeeze under Gnome - I have 4 accounts set-up under local folders. When I switch from one account to another when reading how do you switch the account? the account folder is highlighted, and instead of the first message...and if I hit delete, it asks me whether I want to delete the folder. If there a way to modify this behavior to highlight the first message instead of the folder ? -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. REALITY.SYS corrupted. Press any key to reboot Universe. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: wwwoffle sometimes doesn't start - Address family for hostname not supported
Hello, On 07.04.09 09:42, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: after upgrading to lenny, I found out that wwwoffle sometimes does not start at boot. It reports the error: Apr 7 08:36:55 localhost wwwoffled[3271]: Unknown host '0.0.0.0' for server [Address family for hostname not supported]. Apr 7 08:36:55 localhost wwwoffled[3271]: Cannot create HTTP IPv4 server socket. Is this an error of wwwoffle or of boot process? I have looked at the bboot process, and I see: Apr 20 08:39:05 localhost wwwoffled[3275]: WWWOFFLE Demon Version 2.9d (with ipv6,with zlib,with gnutls) started. Apr 20 08:39:05 localhost wwwoffled[3275]: Unknown host '0.0.0.0' for server [Address family for hostname not supported]. Apr 20 08:39:05 localhost wwwoffled[3275]: Cannot create HTTP IPv4 server socket. Apr 20 08:39:06 localhost dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8 Apr 20 08:39:06 localhost dhclient: DHCPOFFER from 10.128.1.3 Apr 20 08:39:06 localhost dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 So the wwwoffle was started before network got set up. This is my laptop, and because I connect it on two (or more) different places I decided not to ask for environment, but find out itself. I've been using ifplugd until sarge, hotplug since etch. My /etc/network/interfaces contains following: allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp The eth0 is builtin on my motherboard, Should I better skip the hotplug part? Should I switch back to ifplugd for cases I unplug the online system and re-plug in different network? -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Chernobyl was an Windows 95 beta test site. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Disk drive recovery help
On 08.04.09 08:50, tony mollica wrote: Thorny, I know what you're asking, I just wasn't clear. But yes, the partition is there (or here): fdisk -l output: Disk /dev/sdg: 184.4 GB, 184416067584 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 22420 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdg1 * 1729558597056 83 Linux /dev/sdg27296 22420 121491562+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/sdg57296 1459058597056 83 Linux /dev/sdg6 14591 2242062894443+ 83 Linux I'm having no problems with the extended partitions, only the first primary. All the number look good, just doesn't recognize sdg1 for mounting, or for fsck. # fsck /dev/sdg1 fsck 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006) e2fsck 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006) fsck.ext2: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/sdg1 The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock: e2fsck -b 8193 device All the partitioning software and disk utilities find the partitions. The first primary partition is not found or recognized. Tried backup superblocks too, but if it doesn't find the device, it won't find the data. All the data is there, I can see it with testdisk, I just can't retrieve or do anything with it. try to issue command mke2fs -n -v /dev/sdg1 which should give you hints on where could superblock backups be, for example: mke2fs 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008) Filesystem label= OS type: Linux Block size=4096 (log=2) Fragment size=4096 (log=2) 1224000 inodes, 4887776 blocks 244388 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user First data block=0 Maximum filesystem blocks=0 150 block groups 32768 blocks per group, 32768 fragments per group 8160 inodes per group Superblock backups stored on blocks: 32768, 98304, 163840, 229376, 294912, 819200, 884736, 1605632, 2654208, 4096000 Then, you can try to give those numbers to e2fsck: e2fsck -b 32768 /dev/sdg1 Hopefully one of those blocks will be real and working superblock. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Windows found: (R)emove, (E)rase, (D)elete -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: anacron
On 08.04.09 10:23, Daniel Dalton wrote: Are the following lines in /etc/anacrontab ok? Anyway to verify they will work or do I just have to wait? 1 20 rsnapshot_day /usr/bin/rsnapshot daily 7 35 rsnapshot_weekly /usr/bin/rsnapshot weekly @monthly 50 rsnapshot_month /usr/bin/rsnapshot monthly they should work. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Silvester Stallone: Father of the RISC concept. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: updating with aptitude
2009/4/15 orange orang...@gmail.com I see, thanks for clarification. Could someone please confirm that simply replacing 'lenny' with 'testing' in sources.list (and then pressing u and U in aptitude) will work. IIRC, in past it used to be much more complicated, with some dist- upgrade and config files On 15.04.09 14:17, Raffaele wrote: replacing 'lenny' with 'testing' or 'squeeze' in sources.list and running 'aptitude update aptitude safe-upgrade' will turn your debian/stable into a debian/testing. replacing it with the squeeze keyword would bring him into the same problem when squeesze is released. using testing should keep him always on testing (that's what stable, testing, and unstable aka sid are for). -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Linux is like a teepee: no Windows, no Gates and an apache inside... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: apache log rotate
On 04.04.09 20:52, michal krajcirovic wrote: creating access.log from apache2. I want at the same time (namely, every minute) without restart / reload apache start either log into another file, or rename the existing log to another file and log to a file with the same name. Given that the number of logs up to 30 lines per second, it is not possible to make a copy. Then I reset the file. And each new minute, net log, and doesnt lost any line. Any tips on how to? Any experience with this problem? rename logs and use graceful restart. You must keep old logs for some time because apache children that did not restart may write to old one. Logrotate can handle that with delaycompress (or nocompress) option. I think it's default in debian distribution, unless you played with logrotate or log setup -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
olvwm misses windows key 'til restart
Hello, I have PC104 keyboard with windows keys, configured to behave as meta keys. Since upgrade to lenny, olvwm doesn't understand the windows key properly - I can't switch viewports using windows-cursor or windows-F*. When olvwm receives focus (which usually means meta key is not needed to switch), pressing windows key causes olvwm not to switch, apparently olvwm notices some keyswitch is used, but doesn't recognize it. When I restart olvwm from olvwm's menu, windows key works as expected. Windows key works properly when using kdm or xdm, but I'd like to avoid using *dm. Any idea what could be the problem? Thank you -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Boost your system's speed by 500% - DEL C:\WINDOWS\*.* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
wwwoffle sometimes doesn't start - Address family for hostname not supported
Hello, after upgrading to lenny, I found out that wwwoffle sometimes does not start at boot. It reports the error: Apr 7 08:36:55 localhost wwwoffled[3271]: Unknown host '0.0.0.0' for server [Address family for hostname not supported]. Apr 7 08:36:55 localhost wwwoffled[3271]: Cannot create HTTP IPv4 server socket. Is this an error of wwwoffle or of boot process? -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. To Boot or not to Boot, that's the question. [WD1270 Caviar] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: checking integrity of already written CD/DVD
On 31.03.09 08:18, Paul E Condon wrote: A second comment: In my experience, the iso files that I download from Debian always have lengths that are integral multiples of 1024 bytes. I think there is already some padding going on in the creation of these files, so partial sectors in the iso is probably not an explanation for whatever difficulties one may be having in verifying a CD/DVD. (On doing a little quick research, I think the sector size on CD/DVD may be 2048 bytes. I don't make a claim for integral multiple of 2048 because that is not what I actually tested. I don't remember whether the integer was odd or even, just that there was no remainder.) Good, since the OP mentioned debian installation CD, this should be the point. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Nothing is fool-proof to a talented fool. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: checking integrity of already written CD/DVD more info
On 31.03.09 12:57, Paul E Condon wrote: I did an experiment with the drive that always truncated the dd read of the CD. The iso is lenny business card. This iso is 18133 blocks of 2048 bytes each. The read back using dd on the short read drive is 18104 2kblocks long, which is 29 block short of a full load. [...] I think this is good news for people who are unlucky enough to have only disk drives that give too short a read-back from a CD. shouldn't they replace their CD/DVD drives instead? -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Atheism is a non-prophet organization. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: checking integrity of already written CD/DVD
On Sun,29.Mar.09, 20:28:44, Angelin Lalev wrote: Is there a way to check a written DVD against the checksum of the iso image written on it? In 20090329202842.ga3...@think.homelan, Andrei Popescu wrote: $ md5sum /dev/dvd This should result in *exactly* the same checksum as the iso On 29.03.09 16:27, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Not in my experience. Both DVDs and CDs have a physical sector size. If the image is not a multiple of that sector size, the md5sum of the block device and the image will differ, because of the extra bits in the last physical sector. afaik, if the same image is written to multiple CDs/DVDs, they all should have the same md5sum, independently on its size. That is the one md5sum shjould report. The same for sha1sum. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Save the whales. Collect the whole set. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: checking integrity of already written CD/DVD
On 29.03.09 16:27, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Not in my experience. Both DVDs and CDs have a physical sector size. If the image is not a multiple of that sector size, the md5sum of the block device and the image will differ, because of the extra bits in the last physical sector. On 31.03.09 09:53, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: afaik, if the same image is written to multiple CDs/DVDs, they all should have the same md5sum, independently on its size. That is the one md5sum shjould report. The same for sha1sum. ... could this problem come out of fact that there was something different burned on those medias before? -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. A day without sunshine is like, night. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: TCP checksum error
On 30.03.09 11:52, malcolm mcqueen wrote: I have been having problems with network connections. Dropping out, and slow. On investigation using wireshark, I see I have many bad packets with incorrect checksums. wireshark may see packets before checksums are computed, especially if the job is left to ethernet card. If they are outgoing packets, I think you may ignore the error. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. On the other hand, you have different fingers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: POP3 connector for exchange 2007
On 30.03.09 03:19, Phillipus Gunawan wrote: I just been asking by manager to deploy a POP3 connector for winblow$2008 I guess it's asked by manager - the manager asked you for that... with exchange 2007 The company been using winblow$2003 and moving to 08 with exchange 2007 exchange supports pop3, why do you need a connector? Btw, if possible, use at least IMAP to connect to it (exchange supports IMAP too) -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: mounting filesystems in Gnome
On 27.03.09 21:09, Nima Azarbayjany wrote: I have a vfat partition on /dev/sda7. I would like to use the option in Gnome to mount the file system automatically using the Properties dialog. I Why not to have it mounted all the time? I have this in /etc/fstab: /dev/sda4 /mount/fat vfat quiet,fmask=111,dmask=000,iocharset=utf8,codepage=852,shortname=mixed 0 2 If more people use your system, you can play with uid,dig,fmask and dmask options. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. It's now safe to throw off your computer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT] Cron and day of the week
On Sun March 29 2009 06:25:41 Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: No, I think that _all_ fields have to match an entry to be executed. From man 5 crontab: On 29.03.09 07:06, Mike Bird wrote: Note: The day of a command’s execution can be specified by two fields — day of month, and day of week. If both fields are restricted (i.e., aren’t *), the command will be run when either field matches the cur‐ rent time. For example, ‘‘30 4 1,15 * 5’’ would cause a command to be run at 4:30 am on the 1st and 15th of each month, plus every Friday. Oh! Now this is what I'd say sucks. I missed this as I never used it (I think). -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. They say when you play that M$ CD backward you can hear satanic messages. That's nothing. If you play it forward it will install Windows. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT] Cron and day of the week
T o n g wrote: I know we can put day of the week info as cron schedules, but how can I define: - first Monday of the month - second Monday of the month - last Monday of the month On Wednesday, 25.03.2009 at 16:34 +, Avi Greenbury wrote: The first Monday of the month will be the only Monday within the first seven days of the month. 0 0 1-7 * 1 command On 25.03.09 16:42, Dave Ewart wrote: I don't think that'll work as the original poster expects. If you specify both the day numbers *and* the day of the week in the crontab, the command will run when *either* matches; so your suggestion will run: - each day on 1st to 7th of the month; and - each Monday (for the whole month). i.e. for March 2009, it will run on 1st through 7th inclusive and also on 9th, 16th, 23rd and 30th. No, I think that _all_ fields have to match an entry to be executed. That should exactly do the job -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Windows found: (R)emove, (E)rase, (D)elete -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Domain of sender address does not resolve in mail logs
Quoth Bob Cox at 2009-03-18 18:39... The question is whether you should be rejecting email from any user @act.gov.au just because act.gov.au does not resolve. On 18.03.09 19:31, Matthew Smith wrote: we need to be tolerant of such things as MX records not having corresponding A records - even though it makes our spam-filtering configuration that much harder. On Friday 20 March 2009 10:02:56 Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: If a domain doesn't resolve, it's not available for e-mailing, thus it should not be used in mail addresses (you can't mail there, you can't bounce there...). On 20.03.09 16:10, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: If it has an MX record, it is available for mailing. The A record is an old fall-back that is not required for proper mail delivery. The name contained in the MX record must (since an address is required to establish the SMTP connect) have an A or record, but the right-hand side of the email does not *have* to. So it depends on what anyone means by domain does not resolve. If it has MX, I don't take it as does not resolve from the SMTP point of view. and I think that the error message meant just that, not that it does not resolve to an A record I guess that the original problem was by (temporary) error with resolving - act.gov.au. has one NS servers, one MX pointing at mail.act.gov.au., which has another NS servers. The resolution errors may apear ocasionally appear if some of delegation/authoritative NS records do not match, not talking about mistake in DNS configuration. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Quantum mechanics: The dreams stuff is made of. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: How to install WLAN on Acer 4530
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:57:55 +0800 From: rju...@gmail.com Subject: How to install WLAN on Acer 4530 Does somebody know how to install Wifi driver for my Acer 4530? On 18.03.09 13:37, João Batista Amorim de oliveira Junior wrote: Get the package: http://madwifi-project.org/ (site the project madwifi) just make donwload: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/madwifi/madwifi-0.9.4.tar.gz [...] I have a laptop acer 4530 with wireless atheros work. What's wrong with debian packages named madwifi-source and madwifi-tools? -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Saving Private Ryan... Private Ryan exists. Overwrite? (Y/N) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Console font size change on xorg exit [RESOLVED]
Quoth Matthew Smith at 2009-03-18 08:36... The issue is this: * Boot machine. * Console font size is sensible. * Run xorg (startx). * Close xorg. * Console font size is now enormous on all TTYs to the point of being unusable. (Have to reboot to be able to work again.) On 19.03.09 19:44, Matthew Smith wrote: It seems that the problem was coming from the default xorg.conf, which specifies the vesa driver. Once I started working on this file (mainly to get xinerama working,) the change to fglrx driver made the problem go away. I am still curious as to WHY this happens but the issue is no longer critical. Many thanks to those who responded on this issue. I have similar problem on my laptop. I use vga=0xf05 (80x30, love it) but after exiting X, 80x25 shows up so I can't see last 5 lines and have to change to 80x25 :-( I think it's nvidia's GD problem... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. WinError #98652: Operation completed successfully. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Domain of sender address does not resolve in mail logs
Quoth Bob Cox at 2009-03-18 18:39... ... The question is whether you should be rejecting email from any user @act.gov.au just because act.gov.au does not resolve. On 18.03.09 19:31, Matthew Smith wrote: Tempting though it is, rejecting mail on the basis of RFC-non compliance is NOT a good move. E-mail is borked beyond redemption so, until we are redeemed by the secure, efficient, replacement for SMTP, we need to be tolerant of such things as MX records not having corresponding A records - even though it makes our spam-filtering configuration that much harder. If a domain doesn't resolve, it's not available for e-mailing, thus it should not be used in mail addresses (you can't mail there, you can't bounce there...). Rejecting mail from non-existing domains has been good and very often used anti-spam practive for YEARS, why do you oppose now? However, the error was just temporary, so if destination mail server will found the MX/A, it may accept the mail in the future (until the mail expires). It seemed that act.gov.au should take care of its DNS... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Due to unexpected conditions Windows 2000 will be released in first quarter of year 1901 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Several segmentation faults after upgrade to Lenny
On 15.03.09 18:07, Henrik Brautaset Aronsen wrote: I just did a aptitude upgrade on an early lenny (testing) system to lenny release, which has resulted in an unusable system. Several programs (bind, apache, greylist and a couple of others) segfaults on startup: lenny is not testing anymore. You may have some dependencies broken... My server is running as a xen instance on a 2.6.18 etch xen kernel. I tried booting a 2.6.26 kernel as well, this didn't help. try 2.6.26 ... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. 10 GOTO 10 : REM (C) Bill Gates 1998, All Rights Reserved! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: GTK fonts too big
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:08:32 +0100 Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk wrote: afer upgrading to lenny I have noticed that fonts in GTK applications are too big. It seems that GTK does count font size from DPI resolution (hbigger DPI, higher font). Is there any way to force GTK to ignore DPI for displaying fonts? I did NOT ask for better display to have bigger fonts, but to have them smaller (my eyes are good yet). I would like to keep correct DPI for other applications. On 15.03.09 22:40, Daniel Dickinson wrote: Is DPI actually correctly calculated by X? (X doesn't get that right for all monitors and 'estimates' for monitors that don't give it resolution and size information, which can lead to this sort of thing). You /var/log/Xorg.0.log will have that information. You may need to set DisplaySize in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (man xorg.conf) Yes, it is. I've had correct DisplaySize in xorg.conf for some time, but this problem has not appeared before. But after upgrading to lenny, calculated DPI of 129x129 resulted in oversized fonts, so I've had to force it back to 100x100, in order to change it back. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. BSE = Mad Cow Desease ... BSA = Mad Software Producents Desease -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: GTK fonts too big
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 01:08:32PM EDT, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: afer upgrading to lenny I have noticed that fonts in GTK applications are too big. It seems that GTK does count font size from DPI resolution (hbigger DPI, higher font). On 15.03.09 19:33, Chris Jones wrote: Are you talking about the fonts that GTK apps use to display content, or the fonts used in GTK widgets (menus, toolbars.. etc.) ?? Widgets. Is there any way to force GTK to ignore DPI for displaying fonts? I did NOT ask for better display to have bigger fonts, but to have them smaller (my eyes are good yet). Assuming you are talking about widget fonts and that you are not using gnome as your desktop (?) .. just a few isolated GTK apps.. you may have to take a look at files called .gtkrc* or gtkrc (home directory.. /etc.. possibly other places..) and figure out the syntax of the font-related statements by trial and error. I already did and there were no settins there (but binding Ctrl-U to clear current line). As to doing it a bit more efficiently and in a more user-friendly manner, I've had some success in the past with neat little utilities called gtk-theme-switch and gtk-theme-switch2 .. there's a not very obvious button on their main window where you can click and start a font chooser that lets you set the size of GTK widgets fonts and if IIRC, see the result of your changes w/o having to restart the apps or the X session.. I've been playing with gtk-theme-switch, and I found out that configuring smaller font size did fix the behaviour. However I'm surprised that the real font size in pixels is not the number I set in the gtk-theme-switch (and in .gtkrc) but something different. Maybe the number does not specify the size in pixels but in inches/100 ? This worked in etch and I have no idea if lenny has it as well. I didn't need to set this in etch nor lenny yet. I would like to keep correct DPI for other applications. At least that's the way I do it.. First, I set the DPI to it's real value by dividing one of my screen's dimensions in pixels by its physical dimensions in inches, and _then_ I proceed to change font sizes to suit my preferences. The last time I had to go through the font-tweaking hassle was about two years ago and some/all of the above may no longer be true. In this event I'm sure s/o more knowledgeable will correct me. I've had correct DisplaySize, but that was what caused the problem after upgraqding to lenny. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Pingin won't connect?
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 09:53:49PM +0200, Vadim Kolchev wrote: Got a problem with pidgin - it won't connect saying that i use old version. Is there a workarond because I don't want to use unstable Let me guess, ICQ? versions? On Thursday 12 March 2009 15:53:13 Stephan Seitz wrote: No, the ICQ server changed their protocol again. You need a newer version of pidgin or use a better protocol like Jabber. On 12.03.09 16:07, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Any chance this could be fixed in volatile or volatile/sloppy? fill up a bugreport... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. 99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Pingin won't connect?
On Thursday 12 March 2009 15:53:13 Stephan Seitz wrote: No, the ICQ server changed their protocol again. You need a newer version of pidgin or use a better protocol like Jabber. On 12.03.09 16:07, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Any chance this could be fixed in volatile or volatile/sloppy? On 13.03.09 13:03, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: fill up a bugreport... sorry, missed the replies -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. I wonder how much deeper the ocean would be without sponges. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
GTK fonts too big
Hello, afer upgrading to lenny I have noticed that fonts in GTK applications are too big. It seems that GTK does count font size from DPI resolution (hbigger DPI, higher font). Is there any way to force GTK to ignore DPI for displaying fonts? I did NOT ask for better display to have bigger fonts, but to have them smaller (my eyes are good yet). I would like to keep correct DPI for other applications. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. He who laughs last thinks slowest. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: scripting question
On 21.09.07 08:18, Michael Martinell wrote: My script is as follows: #!/bin/sh TERM=vt100 export TERM forcing TERM in script is very bad idea, and in this script also useless. date echo Spam Count /bin/more /var/log/syslog | /bin/grep -c 'identified spam' echoecho Clean Message Count/bin/more /var/log/syslog | /bin/grep -c 'clean message' date echo -n Spam Count grep -Fc 'identified spam' /var/log/syslog echo -n Ham Count grep -Fc 'clean message' /var/log/syslog ... easier to read -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. They say when you play that M$ CD backward you can hear satanic messages. That's nothing. If you play it forward it will install Windows. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mishap upgrading from Woody to Etch
On 09.09.07 19:34, Chris Austin wrote: I have had a Debian system working very well since 2003, when I installed it from the Stable system, which was Woody at the time. Recently I wanted to install the gap package, (Groups, Algorithms and Programming computer algebra system), and for this I had to start upgrading packages to the current Stable system, which is Etch. However I hit a circular dependency problem trying to upgrade libc6, so started upgrading packages with the Check Dependencies checkbox deselected, in the KPackage windows that were started by Konqueror, when I downloaded packages from the Debian website. At some stage e2fsprogs and e2fslibs were upgraded in this way, but I always hit an error trying to upgrade libc6, even after I exited KDE and tried to stop kdm with the kill signal in top. I then found that kdm no longer restarted KDE, so to access the Internet I had to dual boot to MS Windows. Trying to reboot in Linux now starts a file system that is Read Only, with lots of warnings and errors. It seems from some of the error messages that I now need to install the libuuid1 package, but I cannot do this because the file system is started Read Only. I can get a writable file system by booting from the old Woody rescue.bin floppy, but file locations then need to be prepended by /target, and dpkg gives an error message: relocation error, symbol _obstack_begin, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference. That's why yyou should never upgrade across two versions. You still can upgrade to sarge and then to etch. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Two words: Windows survives. - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin. - Matthew Alton -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: problem with hard disk geometry
On 15.08.07 03:10, Diego Brouard wrote: The hardware is a PIV 2.8 ( is not so old :) ) I've made my homework ( http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/Large-Disk.html ) and AFAIK, all that CHS stuff is not applyable for modern hard drives and it seems that Linux just ignores it. Also, I modprobed edd linux module which gives me information about the drives ( /sys/firmware/edd ) and the CHS staff used for both is the exactly the same. By now, I've changed the CHS of the new disk using fdisk and I've made the partitions. No problems by the moment. I will see what happens when I reboot the machine tomorrow. there are two geometries on each disk: one in its ROM, another one in the partition table. If you create partition table with different geometry, it will be used (but linux will announce the difference in log). -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. He who laughs last thinks slowest. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gshadow file does not get synced automatically in Etch while edited manually with vigr
(I see I'm a bit late) On 14.08.07 16:40, Siju George wrote: I get the following messages after I edit /etc/group file with vigr manually and save it You have modified /etc/group. You may need to modify /etc/gshadow for consistency. Please use the command `vigr -s' to do so. What should I do to get the /etc/gshadow file also updated automatically as I change /etc/group using vigr ? I'm afraid there's no simple answer. If you added/removed a group, you should better do that using addgroup/delgroup (adduser pkg) or groupadd/groupdel (passwd pkg). Otherwise it's better to edit gshadow manually - it's sometimes not easy to see what you have changed. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Atheism is a non-prophet organization. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which initrd to pur on USB memory stick?
On Tuesday 09 October 2007 08:43, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: Do you think this information from http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en is incorrect? CITE If you want to install over the network, without using an ISO image, you will of course skip the previous step. Moreover you will have to use the initial ramdisk from the netboot directory instead of the one from hd-media, because hd-media/initrd.gz does not have network support. /CITE I'd like initrd which would allow me to install from CD, HD, the stick and network too. On 09.10.07 11:46, Thierry Chatelet wrote: As said in previous answer, the one from hd-media. So you want to say that the above is incorrect, and the initrd.gz from hd-media DOES have network support, even if the installation manual says something different? Anyway, you can try different combination, as it is on a stick, and you can allways erase and try something else. This is something I currently can not test, so I'm asking for help here... -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. (R)etry, (A)bort, (C)ancer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
