Re: 12.2: fork() causing getline() to repeat stdin endlessly
On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 03:19:43PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 11:01:55PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > On 24/10/2023 12:18, tom kronmiller wrote: > > > so I unbuffered stdin and that seemed to make it happy. > > > > It might be performance killer. Even fflush(NULL) before fork() may be > > better. fflush(NULL) is almost certainly cheaper, and something like it is necessary. The call to fork() does undefined things to stdio state if the relevant files aren't flushed. Correctness matters more than performance, though, so "correct but might be slow" could be a fine answer. The stdio functions and fork() come from different standards, so it's not all that surprising that it's tricky to use both. > > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/50110992/why-does-forking-my-process-cause-the-file-to-be-read-infinitely > > "Why does forking my process cause the file to be read infinitely" > > Ooh, that's got an *excellent* answer. That brings up a subtlety: I've been assuming a Linux-like system, where stdio stuff has an in-process cache, backed by a Unix-style file descriptor. As that page points out, the relevant standards permit quite a bit more than that, much of which is "undefined behavior". That's usually bad news as compiler-writer code for "you're not allowed to do that, and we make no promises whatsoever as to what happens if you try." As this example shows, getting "undefined behavior" can be really quite surprising. > > glibc bug report was closed as invalid > > https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=23151 > > > > I am curious why macOS behaves differently. > > It would have been nice if the glibc developer had explained a bit, but > of course we aren't owed any explanations. > > At this point, we can conclude that the bug is in fact in the OP's C > program. The underlying C compiler, C library, and Linux kernel are > all behaving within specs. > > At this point I still don't know *why* glibc rewinds stdin intermittently > on exit(). Apparently Mac OS X doesn't, or at least didn't at the time > the answer was written (2018). I guess there must be some reason for it, > and it's not just randomly pranking people, even if I don't understand > the reason. The standard says that exit() does cleanup like things queued for atexit() and flushes any open files. There's a good reason for that: If you produce some output from a program, you'd be surprised if it just got discarded at the end of the program because it was sitting in an output buffer that hadn't been flushed. If you want the other behavior, there is the similarly named _exit() that doesn't flush output, presumably for cases where there was a fork() for some small task and flushing buffers first wasn't viable. I'd read the documentation carefully, or maybe design to avoid having to read that documnetation. What's probably going on is that under different circumstances the cache of the input is used differently. Maybe the MacOS libc is less prone to read-ahead. Without digging through the code or nominally-opaque FILE* structures, it's hard to say. But I'm pretty sure it's "intermittently the FILE was in a state that didn't cause problems", not "exit() intermittently flushes". Jon Leonard
Re: 12.2: fork() causing getline() to repeat stdin endlessly
On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 09:31:11AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 11:15:22AM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > it helps to do > > fflush((stdout); > > after each printf(), or to run before the loop: > > setvbuf(stdout, NULL, _IONBF, 0); > > > > So it is obvious that the usual output buffering of printf() causes the > > repetitions of text. > > Yes, it looks like a buffering issue to me as well. Or, more generally, > some kind of weird interaction between buffered stdio FILEs and the > underlying Unix file descriptors, when new processes are being fork()ed. More specifically, fork() does not play nicely with stdio buffering. For performance reasons, stdio tends to read and write in chunks, reducing the number of read() and write() calls. Some data is stored in the stdio buffers, and that data is getting copied to both processes in the fork() call. If you want to mix fork() and stdio, be sure to flush buffers before the call to fork. Depending on the task, it may be easier to use the underlying read() and write() calls. Jon Leonard
Re: /etc/resolv.conf changes every booting time
> On Sun, Aug 06, 2023 at 05:17:23PM +0800, Jon Smart wrote: >> It's a VPS provided by a local ISP. The VPS has a static IPv4. >> Do you know how to know if /etc/resolv.conf is modified by dhcp? > > The first thing you could do is check whether a DHCP client daemon > is running. That's usually a sign. > > Failing that, find out what your primary network interface's name is, > and then find out how that network interface is brought up. In a server > configuration, it's *usually* brought up by a stanza in the > /etc/network/interfaces file. If that stanza consists of a line > ending with "dhcp", then voila. > > If the primary network interface is not configured in /e/n/i then the > second most likely configuration is NetworkManager. Usually if NM > is in the picture, /etc/resolv.conf will be a symlink, and you will > see evidence of NM both in the symlink's target, and in the contents > of the file. Thus, > > ls -ld /etc/resolv.conf > cat /etc/resolv.conf > > Both of these should give you hints, if NM is involved. > > Yes my system is exactly using NM for networking. so resolv.conf is just a symlink. I delete that symlink and create a real file, put content into it (no chattr needed), and reboot the OS everything works fine now. regards.
about PTR for an IP
Hello, I know a hostname can point to multi-IPs. but can an IP have multi hostnames in PTR? 164.0.217.172.in-addr.arpa. 86400 INPTR mia09s16-in-f4.1e100.net. 164.0.217.172.in-addr.arpa. 86400 INPTR ord38s42-in-f4.1e100.net. 164.0.217.172.in-addr.arpa. 86400 INPTR yyz08s10-in-f164.1e100.net. this IP does seem like so. I never know this. Thanks.
Re: /etc/resolv.conf changes every booting time
> On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 6:13 AM Jon Smart wrote: > >> It's a VPS provided by a local ISP. The VPS has a static IPv4. >> Do you know how to know if /etc/resolv.conf is modified by dhcp? >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> > >> > Hi Jon, >> > >> >> I have removed the default systemd-resolved local dns service >> following >> >> the link below, >> >> >> >> >> https://askubuntu.com/questions/907246/how-to-disable-systemd-resolved-in-ubuntu >> >> >> >> And I have unbound installed and enabled as local DNS server. >> >> >> >> But every time I reboot the server, the configuration file >> >> /etc/resolv.conf changes to a default one. So every time I have to >> >> update >> >> its content to: >> >> >> >> nameserver 127.0.0.1 >> > The file /etc.resolv.conf is just a soft link. > > You need to: > > 1: Delete /etc/resolv.conf - rm /etc/resolv.conf > 2: Create a new /etc/resolv.conf file: touch /etc/resolv.conf > 3: Configure you nameservers > 4: Make the file immutable: chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf > These 4 steps do work great! Thanks a lot. regards.
Re: /etc/resolv.conf changes every booting time
It's a VPS provided by a local ISP. The VPS has a static IPv4.
Do you know how to know if /etc/resolv.conf is modified by dhcp?
Thanks.
>
> Hi Jon,
>
>> I have removed the default systemd-resolved local dns service following
>> the link below,
>>
>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/907246/how-to-disable-systemd-resolved-in-ubuntu
>>
>> And I have unbound installed and enabled as local DNS server.
>>
>> But every time I reboot the server, the configuration file
>> /etc/resolv.conf changes to a default one. So every time I have to
>> update
>> its content to:
>>
>> nameserver 127.0.0.1
>>
>> (points to unbound)
>>
>> How to stop the auto-changes to /etc/resolv.conf after rebooting?
>
> In case you get the configuration overwritten by DHCP you can avoid that
> by the following lines in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf.
>
> interface "bond0" {
> supersede domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;
> }
>
> Just replace the interface name with yours.
>
> Kind regards,
> Christoph
> --
> Ist die Katze gesund
> schmeckt sie dem Hund.
>
/etc/resolv.conf changes every booting time
Hello I have removed the default systemd-resolved local dns service following the link below, https://askubuntu.com/questions/907246/how-to-disable-systemd-resolved-in-ubuntu And I have unbound installed and enabled as local DNS server. But every time I reboot the server, the configuration file /etc/resolv.conf changes to a default one. So every time I have to update its content to: nameserver 127.0.0.1 (points to unbound) How to stop the auto-changes to /etc/resolv.conf after rebooting? Thanks.
Which package should I report this bug against?
Hello, In a fresh installation of Bookworm, up-to-date as of today, there is a problem with CUPS printer configuration. I'm not sure which package to file a bug report against. I'll give a summary here; please let me know which package I should reference using `reportbug`. I have a network printer which was added via the System Settings GUI as an AppSocket printer. It prints just fine, but I can't change the resolution from the GUI. If I bring up Debian's System Settings GUI, then choose Printers, then "Configure", it brings up a window titled "Configure Printer". If I choose Printer Options, I see the resolution is 300x300. If I select 600x600, it appears to accept this, but the setting never actually takes hold. If I return to the Printer Options screen, it has reverted to 300x300. If I access the CUPS server via localhost:631/admin, I can change the resolution just fine. Once I do this, the correct resolution appears in the Printer Options GUI. So, which package name do you suggest I file this against? Thanks very much, Jon
Re: chromium: "Your browser is managed"
On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 04:27:09PM -0700, L L wrote: > I'm on bullseye, and installed chromium from the bullseye repos. In > Chromium I get the message that the browser is "managed by your > organization." I didn't do any special setup for work or school. Is the > management part of the Debian packaging, or is something sketch going on? There's malware that does that. The feature is usually for things like company-wide security policy, but if you're not expecting it, it's almost certainly malware. It's presumably trying to spy on you or serve you ads or some such. There's various web pages describing how to remove it; you'll probably need to remove the directory that chromium is storing data in. (Back up bookmarks and such first.) You'll also want to try to figure out how it got installed, and what else might be compromised. Jon Leonard
Repair bootable USB stick
I recently helped a friend install Mint on her computer, and I made a bootable USB stick using their .iso and dd. It's a 16Gb drive, and the .iso was 3.9Gb. I now have the problem that I can only format 3.9Gb of the drive. I'm on Debian 10.2 with KDE. GNOME Disks utility recognizes the device as "16 Gb Thumb Drive / Sandisk Cruzer Glide," and it shows three partitions: a 2Gb ISO9660 for Mint, a 2.5Mb FAT, and 14Gb free space. It also shows partitioning as "Master boot record." But when I press "-" on the Mint partition I get the following error: "Error deleting partition /dev/sdc1: Failed to read partition table on device '/dev/sdc/ (/dev/sdc: unrecognised disk label) (udisks-error-quark, 0)" When I try to format the free space, I get this error: "Don't know how to create partitions this partition table of type '(null)' (udisks-error-quark, 0)" Originally I got an error from GNOME Disks that the device had no partition table. I tried the KDE partition editor to no avail. That app made a new MS-DOS partition table for the device, but it believed it was only 3.9G. Making that partition table has not changed the results in Disks, other than to change it from the no partition table error to the unrecognized disk label error. Can anyone offer any help? Thanks, jon
Re: MIDI-to-USB on Debian?
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 03:00:20PM -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > Does anyone have a MIDI-to-USB adapter they could recommend for Debian > and/or linux? > This is just for a point-to-point connection from a Yamaha keyboard to > a laptop. Software on the laptop remains undetermined, probably some > combination of Rhythmbox, CSound, Supercollider and god knows what > else. Thanks..Nick I have what lsusb reports as: Bus 003 Device 004: ID 0763:1002 Midiman MidiSport 2x2 It does need to download some firmware to the device, but aside from that it has been working with no issues for me. I don't remember what it cost new, and it looks a little different from the "Anniversary edition" that's for sale now. But such things do exist. Jon Leonard
Re: Sendmail compiled with tcpwrappers yet ignores /etc/hosts.deny ?
On Sun, 2015-11-22 at 23:44 +, jon wrote: > > root@mail:/usr/share/doc# ldd /usr/sbin/sendmail |grep 'libwrap' > libwrap.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libwrap.so.0 (0xb7525000) > root@mail:/usr/share/doc# cat /etc/debian_version > 8.2 > > I want to use sendmail with tcp wrappers but it does not seem to play, > it looks like it was compiled with support, can anyone help ? > > > Thanks, > Jon > > Anyone ? Maybe I was not very clear, this is the default sendmail for Debian installed via apt. The online docs claims it works with tcpwrappers yet it seems to ignore /etc/hosts.deny ? Thanks, Jon
Sendmail compiled with tcpwrappers yet ignores /etc/hosts.deny ?
root@mail:/usr/share/doc# ldd /usr/sbin/sendmail |grep 'libwrap' libwrap.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libwrap.so.0 (0xb7525000) root@mail:/usr/share/doc# cat /etc/debian_version 8.2 I want to use sendmail with tcp wrappers but it does not seem to play, it looks like it was compiled with support, can anyone help ? Thanks, Jon
Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX
On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 01:25:37PM -0500, Brian Sammon wrote: I was recently given a Mac Mini (Intel Mid 2007) that had been wiped. I tried to install Debian (Wheezy) on it, and the installer reported success, but when it came time to eject and reboot, Debian didn't boot from the hard drive. Googling finds me various pages about installing Linux where one of the steps is something like Boot into OSX Is there a way to install Debian/Linux on this machine that doesn't involve buying or borrowing (or borrowing) a copy of OSX? Is it easier to install linux on a USB disk and run it off of that? Two particular subtasks that I may need to do that seem to require OSX: 1) Blessing a partition 2) Checking what version of firmware it has (some versions have BIOS compatibility) Any pointers/suggestions? I saw similar behavior installing on more recent Mac Minis. There, the issue was that the Mac firmware's idea of the boot sequence didn't match Debian's. I wound up solving this by installing rEFInd (from http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/ ) , though not always the same way. You'd presumably need to install it to the EFI partition if you don't have a Mac partition. I think it's also possible to get Grub or even the Linux Kernel set up to boot as the EFI loader, but I stopped trying that after I got booting to work reliably. It should be possible to boot the Debian installer in rescue mode, get a shell, and do the install from there. Jon Leonard I'm also looking into PureDarwin as a possible solution. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141204132537.c44457fee702caa9b3bac...@brisammon.fastmail.fm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141204192110.gh22...@slimy.com
Re: Got skype 4.2 to connect again
On Tue, 19 Aug 2014 18:40:30 +0200 Hans hans.ullr...@loop.de wrote: - search for 4.2.0.11 and change this to 4.3.0.37 http://mkgmediagroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/conanclap.gif -- Gabriele Ficarelli - Jon GPG: A5D862D7 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Run a small script at shutdown/reboot
On 02/18/2014 05:57 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: If you have cron on your machine, I think the easiest thing to do is to use the '@reboot' cron time specification, either in /etc/crontab, a file in /etc/cron.d or root's personal crontab. e.g. @reboot /usr/local/bin/foobar.sh assuming that's where the script is and it's +x Perfect, thanks Jonathan that's what I was looking for. Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/53038c9f.6010...@q.com
Re: Run a small script at shutdown/reboot
On 02/18/2014 03:13 AM, Jaikumar Sharma wrote: Hi Jon, On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Jon Danniken danni...@q.com wrote: Hello list, I have a small script (foobar.sh) which I would like to run at shutdown or reboot: So what am I missing here? I'm guessing that using update-rc.d is probably more heavy duty/involved than I need for this little script (not to mention beyond my current understanding), but what else would work? You probably need to read https://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts if you want to get your scripts on different runlevels in a right way. Nice, thanks Jaikumar, I appreciate it. Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/53038cf8.5050...@q.com
Run a small script at shutdown/reboot
Hello list, I have a small script (foobar.sh) which I would like to run at shutdown or reboot: __ #!/bin/bash if [ -a /test/foo.bar ]; then mv /test/foo.bar /test/foo.foo fi _ I placed the script into /etc/init.d/, made it executable, and upon testing it, it does what it is supposed to do. I then ran (update-rc.d foobar.sh start 0 6), but it threw up a bunch of errors: root@debian:/etc/init.d# update-rc.d foobar.sh start 0 6 update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing insserv: warning: script 'foobar.sh' missing LSB tags and overrides insserv: There is a loop between service tlp and foobar.sh if stopped insserv: loop involving service foobar.sh at depth 2 insserv: loop involving service tlp at depth 1 insserv: Stopping foobar.sh depends on tlp and therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true! insserv: exiting now without changing boot order! update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header With that not working, I tried to do it manually by creating a symlink to /etc/init.d/foobar.sh in both rc0.d and rc6.d (calling them K08foobar), and they have the same permissions and ownership as all of the other symlinks in those directories, and I can also execute it from there as well. Unfortunately, when I shutdown or reboot the machine, it does not get called. So what am I missing here? I'm guessing that using update-rc.d is probably more heavy duty/involved than I need for this little script (not to mention beyond my current understanding), but what else would work? Thanks for your suggestions, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5302d779.1000...@q.com
Re: Updating not working as expected
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 09 February 2014 18:05:52 darkestkhan wrote: Personally I'm dubious if using `jessie` instead of `testing` atm should even work - considering that it is basically testing for the time being. The beauty of using the name, Jessie, instead of Testing is that when Jessie becomes Stable, the system will automatically upgrade to Stable. As soon as Jessie is Stable, the floodgates in Testing will open and all the new packages will just rush in. By staying with the name Jessie, you can chose your moment to go back to Testing. Well, the choice of jessie or testing doesn't seem to explain the trouble I was experiencing with the lack of updates. Does anyone have an idea of why I have to choose 'always prefer testing' rather that 'always prefer latest' in Synaptic preferences to get updates? I am also in testing on my old computer and do not need to do this. I guess if it works it works, so why worry. It just makes me curious what's making it do this. BTW, I also use jessie in the sources.list on the old computer for all the debian.org repositories. Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANcvmg0100+_=m+xswrjnbkadehpsmqru-e93czzkv6n5fn...@mail.gmail.com
Add a separate /home after installation?
Hi, When I installed Debian I put everything in one partition. Now I'm wondering what I was thinking. / is ext4 for mated on a drive with eufi partition table, no raid or lvm. My thought is if I can shrink that and create a new partition I can copy over /home and then mount it as /home. I am pretty sure it can be shrunk, although I guess I'll have boot from another disk (it can't be shrunk while mounted I would guess). Does this sound like a reasonable way to do this? Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANcvmg2JZ=0spuqs8nyfuyistfzz_si3sdgc3+vbos+rypx...@mail.gmail.com
Updating not working as expected
Hi, I installed Jessie on a new computer about 2 months ago. I needed Jessie to support my network interface. Since then I noticed that I seeing almost no updates in Synaptic, or when using apt-get. During the same period on my old computer (also running Jessie) see packages almost constantly updating. I did look at a few things on both systems previously and didn't see anything I could recognize as causing the difference. Today however I opened the preferences in Synaptic and changed the preferred distribution from 'Always prefer highest' to 'Prefer versions from Testing'. Low and behold I now have a very large number of updates waiting. But, I don't think I should have to make that change to get normal updates. I'm thinking this has something to do with the repositories, which are different between the 2 computers. Here is my repositories list: deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates non-free contrib main deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main non-free contrib deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main non-free contrib deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates non-free contrib main deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates non-free contrib main deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib non-free deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ jessie main non-free deb http://packages.mate-desktop.org/repo/debian/ jessie main # deb http://linux.dropbox.com/debian/ wheezy main My guess is the behavior I'm seeing is related to either the 'jessie-backports' or 'jessie-updates' repositories, but I don't know why I ended up with them or why I would (or would not) want them. Should I just change them to 'jessie'? Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANcvmg3o_3JwQfswfrRmqyGuW_B+_Wewfn7CF=5m2gpb13g...@mail.gmail.com
Re: MythTV from deb-multimedia setup?
Thanks to all, I will be taking my questions to the deb-multimedia list, I should have thought of that. Quickly, before I go, I did clean up my 'hosts' file a little and took care of that problem, although it didn't solve the basic problem. And ~/.mythtv/config.xml is valid also. I'll try to remember to post back here if I find some answers, just in case anyone is curious. Thanks again, Jon On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 5:07 AM, Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote: On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 07:07:22PM -0500, Jon N wrote: Hi, I've built a new machine and installed 64bit Debian testing on it. I also installed MythTV from the deb-multimedia repository. My old computer has been used for MythTV (mostly recording/playback over the air TV) for years, and I would like to have the new hardware take over the job soon. But I ran into a difference between the 2 computers I'm not sure about. On the old computer I can run 'mythtv-setup' when logged in as myself, not the 'mythtv' user. But on the new computer when I run it as myself I get asked my country and language 1st, then on the next screen, Database Configuration 1/2, I get the message MythTV can not connect to the Database. Please verify you database settings below. As far as I can tell they are correct. I can not get past the next page (2/2), it sends me back to the country and language selection again. Check that ~/.mythtv/config.xml is valid. Running mythtv-setup as yourself should be valid, but if it can't read the database settings, then it will assume you're setting up anew. -- Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cancvmg2d0truo4j6m1jr3y21yf_-y8uy6fdblmhakx7rhdo...@mail.gmail.com
MythTV from deb-multimedia setup?
Hi, I've built a new machine and installed 64bit Debian testing on it. I also installed MythTV from the deb-multimedia repository. My old computer has been used for MythTV (mostly recording/playback over the air TV) for years, and I would like to have the new hardware take over the job soon. But I ran into a difference between the 2 computers I'm not sure about. On the old computer I can run 'mythtv-setup' when logged in as myself, not the 'mythtv' user. But on the new computer when I run it as myself I get asked my country and language 1st, then on the next screen, Database Configuration 1/2, I get the message MythTV can not connect to the Database. Please verify you database settings below. As far as I can tell they are correct. I can not get past the next page (2/2), it sends me back to the country and language selection again. I did read the README.Debian file for MythTV and tried running 'sudo -u mythtv mythtv-setup, but get the message mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server :0.0. To make matters perhaps a little more troublesome there seems to be a little trouble with the new computer's hostname so when I try the suggestion in README.Debian, 'xhost +local' (as is, or substituting my hostname for 'local') i get a ...bad hostname... error message. So, my main question is, other than just convenience how much difference does it make to be able to run mythtv-setup as myself rather that as user 'mythtv'? Does it not being able for it to access the database mean that if I run the frontend as myself it also won't be able to access the database? Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cancvmg3hky9jf-6xmrlnb639wl51nfkpdra8fcxbhqpc3jj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: How can I secure a Debian installation?
On 01/28/2014 01:53 AM, Brad Alexander wrote: On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:41 AM, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: Keep updated, subscribe to the security list, read and follow the fine manual:- https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ Another suggestion I would make would be to regularly scan with one or more vulnerability scanners, such as the (free) nessus home feedhttp://www.tenable.com/products/nessus/select-your-operating-system, or OpenVAS http://openvas.org/ or some other scanner. Thanks Brad, I'll be using those to check my new installations from now on. Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52e806a8.90...@q.com
Re: How can I secure a Debian installation?
On 01/28/2014 03:57 AM, Brian wrote: On Mon 27 Jan 2014 at 20:24:42 -0800, Jon Danniken wrote: I recently came across a posting by an individual who got his Debian machine compromised due to a number of security problems, one of which was the default installation and running of sshd with PermitRootLogin = Yes. in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. These types of posts are not unusual; what they all generally have in common is a lack of detail and any evidence that PermitRootLogin = Yes in itself is the cause. Having introduced a FUD factor it is now easier to promote alternatives without having to justify them. So I checked the Debian installation that I put on my laptop a month ago (from the Wheezy net install CD), and sure enough I had the same vulnerability PermitRootLogin = Yes is upstream's (and Debian's) default setting; it is not an insecure one. You could introduce an insecurity by using password1 as the root password. (I fixed it by changing the PermitRootLogin value). If you have a strong password for the root login you wouldn't have fixed anything. Thanks Brian, I ended up removing openssh-server, as it was not something I needed; it was automatically installed and set up to run as a feature of the live CD I used to install Debian with (installed as part of the live-tools package). Fortunately I came across the posting that alerted me to this, and have removed it from both of my machines. If I end up using openssh in the future I will definitely use a private key, though. Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52e80794.9000...@q.com
Re: How can I secure a Debian installation?
On 01/28/2014 12:37 PM, Brian wrote: On Tue 28 Jan 2014 at 11:40:04 -0800, Jon Danniken wrote: Thanks Brian, I ended up removing openssh-server, as it was not something I needed; it was automatically installed and set up to run as a feature of the live CD I used to install Debian with (installed as part of the live-tools package). Fortunately I came across the posting that alerted me to this, and have removed it from both of my machines. Removing software which runs as a daemon is good practice. Why have a process listening for external connections when it is unnecessary? Exactly; this was my rationale for starting this thread, to hopefully find out what other daemons might be running out of the box that I would be wise to either reconfigure or remove entirely (assuming I am not using them, which, as in the case of openssh-server, I am not). If I end up using openssh in the future I will definitely use a private key, though. Another battle lost. :) You'll have to wait until I decide to reinstall ssh to know the outcome of that case, if and/or when. But ssh keys are great for some situations. The problem is their advocates never describe what the situations are and it is too often a case of being instructed to use a ssh key. The downsides to a ssh key are left unsaid and the impression is given that a password login is naff and insecure. The pros and cons of an ssh key login are rarely disussed by these advocates, I'll just end by reminding you that your ssh key might be stored on a USB stick. Forget the stick and you don't get to access your account. Passwords are in your memory and, fallible though it might be, it is usually accessible. In the last resort the password could come to you in a dream. :) Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52e82ee2.6050...@q.com
How can I secure a Debian installation?
Hello list, I recently came across a posting by an individual who got his Debian machine compromised due to a number of security problems, one of which was the default installation and running of sshd with PermitRootLogin = Yes. in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. So I checked the Debian installation that I put on my laptop a month ago (from the Wheezy net install CD), and sure enough I had the same vulnerability (I fixed it by changing the PermitRootLogin value). Fortunately I have been running behind my router, and remain unscathed, but it caused me to wonder what other vulnerabilities are present out of the box that I need to address, especially if I should take the laptop out with me and connect to a public network. Besides the sshd root login, what else do I need to disable/fix on this machine? Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52e7310a.1050...@q.com
Re: How can I secure a Debian installation?
On 01/27/2014 09:41 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: Keep updated, subscribe to the security list, read and follow the fine manual:- https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ Thanks Scott, that's just what I was looking for. Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52e76165.7020...@q.com
Re: Nvidia package installation problems
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Brad Rogers b...@fineby.me.uk wrote: ---snip--- have any trouble doing that. But I don't want to have a package from repository still installed at the same time as the nvidia download. There are problems with that as you can imagine. Debian packages can get confused by a previous nvidia installation. I don't know whether the same is true the other way round, but better safe than sorry. I include here a list of all nvidia specific packages I have installed, for the sake of comparison with your own list: glx-alternative-nvidia_0.4.1 libgl1-nvidia-glx_319.76-1 libnvidia-ml1_319.76-1 libvdpau1_0.7-1 libxnvctrl0_319.72-1 libxnvctrl0_319.72-1 libxnvctrl0_319.72-1 nvidia-driver_319.76-1 nvidia-kernel-dkms_319.76-1 nvidia-settings_319.72-1 nvidia-alternative_319.76-1 nvidia-xconfig_319.72-1 nvidia-installer-cleanup_20131102+1 * nvidia-kernel-common_20131102+1 nvidia-kernel-source_319.76-1 nvidia-support_20131102+1 xserver-xorg-video-nouveau_1.0.10-1 xserver-xorg-video-nvidia_319.76-1 * handy for ensuring the nvidia downloaded module stuff doesn't conflict with the Debian packages. Before I gave up I ran 'dpkg-reconfigure with each package name above hoping that fix something, or at least generate an error message that would give some clue. But, no luck. So I uninstalled it all and rebooted. My desktop came up fine with (I think) the vesa driver. But, I often watch HD shows through MythTV, which didn't work well at all with the vesa driver, nor with the nouveau driver. So, back to the downloaded nvidia driver. Which had the exact same problem as the nvidia package loaded through the repository, X would not load. Ouch, I hadn't expected that. Poking around again I noticed a line in Xorg.0.log: Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE+/vmlinux-3.11.-2-686-pae root=/dev/mapper/MyVG-root_LV ro nomodeset nouveau.modeset=0 I did notice that earlier, but wasn't worried about nouveau being in there because it's blacklisted. But with these continuing problems I guess it's worth looking into. I edited it out in /etc/defaults/grub and ran 'update-grub'. That was it! I am really puzzled how it got there. It seem strange to me that uninstalling the downloaded nvidia drivers (which is the first thing I did when this all started) would add that. None of the 'grub.*' files in /etc/defaults was newer than 2012, but it was in there, suggesting it was always in the command line. So why was it a problem now??? As usual, I figure I must have missed something, or done something dumb. But, at least it works! Oh, and one of my reasons for changing in the first place was to have the driver automatically configured for each new kernel update that was installed. Apparently I did not have 'dkms' installed before, but it got left over. The nvidia driver offered to register with it for automatic updates. So I still get the main reason for changing. Thanks for all your help, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANcvmg2Mhrhw0EKbz6yDCd_Db0gdTcWT==nqpyv5pcu_c5o...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Nvidia package installation problems
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 4:21 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Du, 22 dec 13, 19:15:25, Jon N wrote: NWRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 304.108, but this kernel module has the version 319.76. Please make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver components have the same version. That sounds simple enough, but I have searched all packages I can think make be related in Aptitude and can not find anything that mentions version 304.108. Either they all say 319.76, or a version like '20131102+1 (that's the 'nvidia-kernel-common among others). You have a leftover kernel module. See if nvidia-kernel-dkms can cleanup and install a correct module for you. Make sure you have the matching kernel headers for your kernel installed. Kind regards, Andrei I ran 'dpkg-reconfigure dkms' (which exited after only a few seconds with no messages) and 'dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms which seemed to do a number of things. But basically it seemed to uninstall the nvidia module version.319.76 from kernel 3.11-2-686-pae (it said it was active on this kernel) and then load as new the exact same module. It even had an error message: Error! Module version 319.76 for nvidia-current.ko is not newer than what is already found in kernel 3.11-2-686-pae (319.76). You may override by specifying --force At the end it says: DKMS: install completed But, it did not fix the problem. I tried checking the kernel headers using Aptitude and as far as I can tell I have the following packages for linux-headers installed. These match the 2 kernels I have installed. BTW, I tried booting the older kernel and got the same results. linux-headers-3.11-2-686-pae linux-headers-3.11-2-common linux-headers-686-pae linux-headers-3.10-3-686-pae linux-headers-3.10-3-common That got me thinking again about versions. I searched for 304.* (the 'mystery' version number that showed in some error messages) and found a whole bunch of 'libcuda' files, all version 304 or older. And a couple of symlinks setting the newest of those as 'libcuda.so' (or something similar). I deleted them all as these must have been leftovers from the downloaded nvidia binary drivers from nvidia. I didn't see that error message on the next boot, but still no X. Installing the latest libcuda (319.76) from Aptitude did help either. The only error message I can find now is from Xorg.0.log: (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so: undefined symbol: WindowTable Two lines below that is: (EE) Failed to load module nvidia (loader failed, 7) I don't know if the number '7' is significant. I did start a search for the ... undefined symbol: WindowTable message, but so far nothing really stood out as a likely cause. Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANcvmg1Ev2YHt1y=wUr1gYhT5M+4x5ihC7sLKf=ctaurzmn...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Nvidia package installation problems
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Brad Rogers b...@fineby.me.uk wrote: On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 19:15:25 -0500 Jon N jdnandr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jon, I love the idea of not having to re-installed the downloaded Nvidia drivers every time the kernel updates (plus it seems to keep breaking) so I would like to get this to work. Any suggestions? As Andrei has said, make sure you have the relevant kernel headers package installed. That's a show stopper. I did check that, but it looks OK (correct version installed). Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANcvmg2fX6KmqYiTuv4_fTv_7Z7RzvQQ2mtYEEsvS48vGMx=o...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Nvidia package installation problems
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Brad Rogers b...@fineby.me.uk wrote: On Mon, 23 Dec 2013 09:35:52 -0500 Jon N jdnandr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jon, I did check that, but it looks OK (correct version installed). Thanks, No problem. I've just re-read your original message, and picked up on some stuff I missed previously. Specifically, stuff about version number mismatches (319 vs 304). Looks like you should be using nvidia-legacy drivers. Search for nvidia-legacy-304. Sounds as though your GFX card is not supported by latest (319) drivers. You'll need to check what your GFX card is, and see which nvidia driver package supports it. Either 304 or 173. The card is a 8600 GT, which does use the latest drivers. in fact, I uninstalled 319.76 that I had downloaded from nvida to install 319.76 from repository. Duh! I'm starting to think I'm going to have to back out and go back to nvidia's downloaded stuff. Hopefully I won't have any trouble doing that. But I don't want to have a package from repository still installed at the same time as the nvidia download. There could be problems with the repository version updating and over writing something form the nvidia download. Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANcvmg3A+HR5GUkF+j+4Ab81hud9BS=50d6ku654zp7u2np...@mail.gmail.com
Nvidia package installation problems
I have been getting pretty good with breaking my system lately. Today I got it in mind to stop downloading the Nvidia binary driver and installing it myself and switch to using the version available as a Debian package. I first uninstalled the downloaded version and rebooted to the normal desktop OK. I tried using lspci to see just what driver it was currently using but either it didn't say or I didn't understand the output. But the vesa driver was installed and it seemed unlikely it was using the driver I just uninstalled, so i went forward thinking I had the old drivers removed. I'm not sure if that was necessary, but cleaning out the old before installing the new seemed to be a good idea. I wasn't sure exactly what to select (in Synaptic) for the new drivers, and unfortunately don't remember exactly everything that may have been selected as a dependency. But I know I at least the following were installed: xserver-xorg-video-nvidia' nvidia-kernel-dkms dkms And I'm pretty sure these were installed nvidia-vdpau-driver nvidia-support nvidia-kernel-commen nvidia-installer-cleanup nvidia-alternative nvidia-kernel-686-pae (it does match my kernel, and making the kernel module ends without error) There are also other packages related to glx, and probably more I don't remember. But, I can't get the xserver to start. I can log into virtual terminals OK. At the end of the boot sequence I get the following message: NWRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 304.108, but this kernel module has the version 319.76. Please make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver components have the same version. That sounds simple enough, but I have searched all packages I can think make be related in Aptitude and can not find anything that mentions version 304.108. Either they all say 319.76, or a version like '20131102+1 (that's the 'nvidia-kernel-common among others). I just noticed that 'glx-alternative-nvidia has a version of '0.4.1', but even if that's the problem I can't uninstall that without it taking most of the packages listed above. I checked my 'sources.list' and all the '...debian.org' lines are set to jessie. I'm not sure if any of the packages related to my problem could have come from other repositories, but I do have the following: www.deb-multimedia.org/ testing non-free main packages.mate-desktop.org/repo/debian/ jessie main ftp.mowgli.ch/pub/debian/ wheezy unofficial Also apt.last.fm, download.skype.com and dowload.webmin.com, but these seem pretty unlikely sources of wrong version Nvidia drivers to me (then again, if I knew what I was doing I woudn't be writing to you :-)). I love the idea of not having to re-installed the downloaded Nvidia drivers every time the kernel updates (plus it seems to keep breaking) so I would like to get this to work. Any suggestions? Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cancvmg0wsxfactszc3zbabbfaw6xenmw83case2fjifr6fz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Changing Hostname?
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Jon N wrote: ---snip--- Not empty, but if it contains illegal characters it won't make any difference. I didn't find any error messages that would clue me in to the problem (like: Warning, you have illegal characters in your hostname :-)). I did notice on one boot an error message that 'hostname.sh' (in /etc/init.d) had failed, but I searched all my log files and could not find any reference to it at all. I guess not everything you see on screen during boot makes it into one of the log files. This just came up again in another message. The new getty upstream now clears the screen. And by default boot time messages are not logged. What a killing combination! Install the bootlogd package so that boot time messages are logged. # apt-get install bootlogd Great idea! I just installed it. I know there have been other times I caught something flashing by during boot I tried to find in a log afterwards without luck. This should help a lot. Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cancvmg11axpqgxhuo+bwgwezr2mr5ck7m-yfax3_hrvc6hp...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Nvidia package installation problems
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Jon N jdnandr...@gmail.com wrote: I have been getting pretty good with breaking my system lately. Today I got it in mind to stop downloading the Nvidia binary driver and installing it myself and switch to using the version available as a Debian package. I first uninstalled the downloaded version and rebooted to the normal desktop OK. I tried using lspci to see just what driver it was currently using but either it didn't say or I didn't understand the output. But the vesa driver was installed and it seemed unlikely it was using the driver I just uninstalled, so i went forward thinking I had the old drivers removed. I'm not sure if that was necessary, but cleaning out the old before installing the new seemed to be a good idea. I wasn't sure exactly what to select (in Synaptic) for the new drivers, and unfortunately don't remember exactly everything that may have been selected as a dependency. But I know I at least the following were installed: xserver-xorg-video-nvidia' nvidia-kernel-dkms dkms And I'm pretty sure these were installed nvidia-vdpau-driver nvidia-support nvidia-kernel-commen nvidia-installer-cleanup nvidia-alternative nvidia-kernel-686-pae (it does match my kernel, and making the kernel module ends without error) There are also other packages related to glx, and probably more I don't remember. But, I can't get the xserver to start. I can log into virtual terminals OK. At the end of the boot sequence I get the following message: NWRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 304.108, but this kernel module has the version 319.76. Please make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver components have the same version. That sounds simple enough, but I have searched all packages I can think make be related in Aptitude and can not find anything that mentions version 304.108. Either they all say 319.76, or a version like '20131102+1 (that's the 'nvidia-kernel-common among others). I just noticed that 'glx-alternative-nvidia has a version of '0.4.1', but even if that's the problem I can't uninstall that without it taking most of the packages listed above. I checked my 'sources.list' and all the '...debian.org' lines are set to jessie. I'm not sure if any of the packages related to my problem could have come from other repositories, but I do have the following: www.deb-multimedia.org/ testing non-free main packages.mate-desktop.org/repo/debian/ jessie main ftp.mowgli.ch/pub/debian/ wheezy unofficial Also apt.last.fm, download.skype.com and dowload.webmin.com, but these seem pretty unlikely sources of wrong version Nvidia drivers to me (then again, if I knew what I was doing I woudn't be writing to you :-)). I love the idea of not having to re-installed the downloaded Nvidia drivers every time the kernel updates (plus it seems to keep breaking) so I would like to get this to work. Any suggestions? Thanks, Jon Hmmm, I've been having a little luck trying to track down the source of my own problem. I checked the Xorg.0.log and noticed it seemed to be trying to load about every dirver that made sense at all for my Nvidia 8600 GT card. They are (not necessarily in this order): nv, nvidia, fbdev, vesa and nouveau. And I know that I had nouveau blacklisted before. Heck, I had to, the downloaded nvidia drivers wouldn't work if it wasn't. I did notice that the contents of /etc/modprode.d had changed with 2 new symlinks (nvidia-blacklists-nouveau.conf and nvidia.conf) since trying to install the nvidia driver package that both point to files in /etc/alternatives. I'm not sure if they are blacklisting it or not at this point. But, I'm not sure if that is the problem, since nouveau doesn't load either. I was also surprised that /etc/X11/xorg.conf apparently isn't being looked at, it's using /root/xorg.conf.new, and /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d. /root/xorg.conf.new has sections for each of the drivers mentioned above, so I guess that's why it's trying to load them. But I renamed it and the behavior remains. Apparently, that lack of an xorg.conf file of some type just causes X to try a bunch of stuff. But nvidia isn't one of them (I'll take a guess that because it's closed source it's not included in some sort of list of default drivers to try). It's getting late so I'm going to have to look at this again in the morning. I think I should be able to make a new blacklist file for nouveau (hopefully you can't have it blacklisted too many times) and copy the /etc/X11/xorg.conf to /root/xorg.conf.new to reference just the nvidia driver. Anyone know where I can get a list of the order in which, and locations of, config files for X? I would have sworn /etc/X11 was first, but it's not the first time I would be wrong either :-). Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive
Re: Nvidia package installation problems
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Jon N jdnandr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Jon N jdnandr...@gmail.com wrote: ---snip--- It's getting late so I'm going to have to look at this again in the morning. I think I should be able to make a new blacklist file for nouveau (hopefully you can't have it blacklisted too many times) and copy the /etc/X11/xorg.conf to /root/xorg.conf.new to reference just the nvidia driver. Anyone know where I can get a list of the order in which, and locations of, config files for X? I would have sworn /etc/X11 was first, but it's not the first time I would be wrong either :-). Ok, still up. I discovered that I did not have an xorg.conf in /etc/X11 after all. So I put one there. Now nvidia is the only driver that seems to be loading in the Xorg.0.log file. But, if failed to load: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so: undefined symbol: WindowTable. So, I can look that up tomorrow, but if anyone is familiar with this error and would be interested in passing it along I will be very happy :-). Thanks, Jon P.S. I just did a quick google search on nvidia_drv.so: undefined symbol: WindowTable and really didn't see anything that looked useful, or even very recent. But it was only a quick check, I really have to get some sleep :-) zz. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cancvmg2yv1qdqr-fsznra6ecqh4nl0t7ryyluxx8fgsyaaz...@mail.gmail.com
Changing Hostname?
I recently installed Jessie on a new computer. Now that I have the system up and running I decided that I would like to have a different hostname than the rather unimaginative 'localhost-01' I picked during install. I used the mate-network-admin utility to change it, and checked /etc/hostname and saw that the change was reflected there also. Then I rebooted. The display manager wouldn't load, leaving me with an almost blank screen (there was a blinking cursor in the upper left corner). I switched to another virtual terminal, edited /etc/hostname back and was able to boot normally. Although when I just opened mate-network-admin again it still had the new name in there. Apparently mate-network-manager changes /etc/hostname, but changing /etc/hostname doesn't reverse it completely??? (I'm thinking I must have done something wrong, because that doesn't make sense). Anyway, the main question is, how do i change the hostname for my system? I did do some searching online, and so far I found that I have to change: /etc/hostname /etc/hosts then run the command sysctl kernel hostname=NEW_HOSTNAME. There were also directions on how to change config files for some specific packages. Am I missing anything? Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANcvmg3+gxrEZovCPGNf1=pf05j6ze+onpytktnx-8bojbb...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Changing Hostname?
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: In general, if you're changing host name, *ALL* references to the old name should be tweaked. I would recommend: # sed --in-place=.bak -e 's/localhost-01/yournewname/g' $(grep -lr localhost-01 /etc) Good intention but that will corrupt many binary files. Beware! Here are some interesting binary ones that I would not edit in place from my system. Well, I wouldn't run a command if I wasn't able to figure out at least the basics of what it was going to do. But from other replies I thought I wouldn't need anything too fancy to accomplish my goals anyway. And, based on other replies I edited 'hosts', 'hostname' and 'mailname'. Then rebooted. The DM (LightDM) still will not start. I changed to another virtual terminal (by that I mean I pressed CtrlAltF1), logged in a root and ran 'startx'. That worked OK. To look for references to my old and new hostnames I ran the following command: grep -rH HOSTNAME in /etc and substituted both old and new names for HOSTNAME. The 3 files I edited earlier still had the new name. The only file with the old name is exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf, and that doesn't look like it would cause the problem. There are over 20 files with the word 'localhost' in them, but not with '-01', so far my guess is that it is just used to reference the host machine even when it is not the actual hostname. So, maybe this is something specific to LightDM. I did check the files in /etc/lightdm but there were no reference to host', local or otherwise. I started searching through my log files and thought this might help. These are entries from the most recent boot up, which is when LightDM would not load: Auth.log - Dec 21 16:36:38 (none) lightdm: pam_unix(lightdm-greeter:session): session opened for user lightdm by (uid=0) Dec 21 16:36:38 (none) lightdm: pam_unix(lightdm-greeter:session): session closed for user lightdm Dec 21 16:37:13 (none) login[3563]: pam_unix(login:auth): check pass; user unknown Dec 21 16:37:13 (none) login[3563]: pam_unix(login:auth): authentication failure; logname=LOGIN uid=0 euid=0 tty=/dev/tty1 ruser= rhost= Dec 21 16:37:15 (none) login[3563]: FAILED LOGIN (1) on '/dev/tty1' FOR 'UNKNOWN', Authentication failure Syslog - Dec 21 16:36:38 (none) avahi-daemon[2285]: Server startup complete. Host name is none.local. Local service cookie is 3853520009. Then, still in syslog, I noticed two consecutive lines: Dec 21 16:36:01 localhost-01 rsyslogd: [origin software=rsyslogd swVersion=7.4.4 x-pid=1899 x-info=http://www.rsyslog.com;] exiting on signal 15. Dec 21 16:36:36 (none) rsyslogd: [origin software=rsyslogd swVersion=7.4.4 x-pid=1922 x-info=http://www.rsyslog.com;] start Based on the time stamp these happened during the most recent boot. All the previous lines have 'localhost-01' then all the subsequent lines have '(none)'. One other thing - I rebooted again and tried the command 'service lightdm restart'. It worked, sort of. I was able to log in, but my desktop didn't start right. There were no panels, and when I tried to run a Mate configuration app they wouldn't run. I switched back to the virtual terminal I ran 'service lightdm restart' from, and there were no error messages. Darn :-(. Other suggestions? Thanks Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANcvmg1OJmfOUkWj0vszBs=47jvewuobo1qw6vuqmz3f_7z...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Changing Hostname?
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Jon N wrote: Dec 21 16:36:38 (none) lightdm: pam_unix(lightdm-greeter:session): session opened for user lightdm by (uid=0) (none)? It thinks the hostname is (none)? That's not right. Unless you named your new system (none) with the parens which shouldn't work. Dec 21 16:36:38 (none) avahi-daemon[2285]: Server startup complete. Host name is none.local. Local service cookie is 3853520009. none.local? Based on the time stamp these happened during the most recent boot. All the previous lines have 'localhost-01' then all the subsequent lines have '(none)'. I think there is an error with setting the new name. Just for verification what does hostname say? $ hostname It should return the hostname of your system. If it doesn't then something is wrong with /etc/hostname. It does return the new hostname. But, I started wondering about legal characters. If you remember my old one was 'localhost-01' but in my new one I used an underscore (_). According to netregister.biz/faqit.htm no symbols are usable except the hyphen (-). No accented characters either. So I changed the name again and rebooted once more. This time everything started just fine. I am thinking the hostname is empty for some reason. Not empty, but if it contains illegal characters it won't make any difference. I didn't find any error messages that would clue me in to the problem (like: Warning, you have illegal characters in your hostname :-)). I did notice on one boot an error message that 'hostname.sh' (in /etc/init.d) had failed, but I searched all my log files and could not find any reference to it at all. I guess not everything you see on screen during boot makes it into one of the log files. Bob Thank you very much Bob (and everyone else), Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANcvmg0G=m+no9myhoqvdmhspfvfrp+uxc-4jt+n-mewvot...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Jesse install images?
On Dec 12, 2013 5:58 PM, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote: ---snip--- Ummm. Why mess about? There *are* regular builds of Debian installer CDs for jessie - see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ I apologize for not getting back sooner, I found the Jessie installer and, well, installed it :-). I guess I just missed the link before. Thanks everyone for the suggestions. Jon
Re: Jesse install images?
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Kailash Kalyani listskail...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The I've found that the netbootcd works best for me... http://netbootcd.tuxfamily.org/ You can choose the distro and the release at install time. Sincerely, Kailash Hi Kailash, I checked out the netbootcd site, and then the Tiny Core that it's based on from there. Unfortunately they are only up to kernel 3.8 so far, and I think I need 3.10 to support my ethernet hardware. It looks like it would have been easy though, I wish it worked :-). Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANcvmg0+HYc6hTVSdk9nTnPXs=8Uny5pAWty=qkvzqftvqt...@mail.gmail.com
Jesse install images?
I have a new computer that needs (AFAIK) the kernel version 3.10 or better to support my ethernet (Qualcomm Atheros AR8171). I was hoping I could do this with a small download, like the net insttall ISO, but so far I haven't been able to find one. Are by only choices to install Jesse to download multiple CD or 1 DVD file? Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cancvmg3b6fsp+2xfsousrzxebwbmvxle-iqzdioi+uu8qco...@mail.gmail.com
Switching video card brands
I hope to be installing Debian in a new computer in about a week or so. It will have a Haswell processor and I hope to be able to get by with the built in video. But, if it doesn't work well I have an Nvidia 8600GT card I can take from my old system. But, I really don't know what's involved in switching. If the Intel video drivers are installed and I shutdown, install the Nvidia card and reboot I assume the system won't load X, although I'll have the command line to work with. I have a little experience with Aptitude and apt-get, will installing the correct drivers remove the old ones? And what package name would I have to use to install Nvidia's drivers from the repository. I have (almost) always used Nvidia's drivers downloaded from their site because when I search in Synaptic for nvidia I'm not sure which packages I need to install. Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANcvmg2DCWO_HVSsZqcd5jB1gUT9tt4mTj=2y-akdokwfod...@mail.gmail.com
Won't complete bootup (gdm3 problem?)
I know I shouldn't mess with things, I really don't know what i'm doing for the most part. But sometimes I can't resist. Now, when I boot my computer, after the Nvidia screen shows (I'm running the drivers downloaded from Nvidia) I get a screen with an unhappy looking computer graphic in the center and below that the text: Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occurred and the system can't recover. Please log out and try again. There is a button labeled Log Out just below that. Logging out and back in (nor rebooting) does not help. The problem may have to do with gdm3. When I went to upgrade it yesterday it wanted to install a lot of stuff I had previously uninstalled as no longer needed, so I did not upgrade it. I installed xdm instead, which worked. But I don't know how to configure it and it did not start the desktop I usually run (Mate) so decided to go back to gdm3. I did upgrade it (along with installing the additional packages it required) but now I get the message above. I booted to recovery a couple of times and tried various things. Thinking gdm3 may not have been configured correctly I ran 'dpkg-reconfigure gdm3' and get the message [ ok ] Scheduling reload of GNOME Display Manager configureation: gdm3. But it still does not work. I also removed xdm thinking they may conflict, but that didn't help. I tried dpkg configure -a in case something else was pending, but there was no output, and I still get the same message as above when I tried to boot to the desktop. And, finally, after some more head scratching I ran 'apt-get install gnome', thinking that I was missing something related to the Gnome environment. Although it installed a lot of stuff (47 packages, I think), it still stops at the same message as above. Other than reinstalling everything from scratch, can anyone offer any suggestions on how to fix this? Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cancvmg1l_d3sbw6_wmaxpw_jcdzhkxukf0bntr+sytv4r7t...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Won't complete bootup (gdm3 problem?)
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Jon N wrote: I know I shouldn't mess with things, I really don't know what i'm doing for the most part. But sometimes I can't resist. It is okay to mess with things as long as you learn about the system through the process. :-) Now, when I boot my computer, after the Nvidia screen shows (I'm running the drivers downloaded from Nvidia) (shakes head) I get a screen with an unhappy looking computer graphic in the center and below that the text: Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occurred and the system can't recover. Please log out and try again. I think that is GNOME or GDM failing. There is a button labeled Log Out just below that. Logging out and back in (nor rebooting) does not help. Your computer has booted the operating system just fine. Your system is running just fine. But the GNOME desktop environment has failed to start. Yes, except I haven't used Gnome since Gnome 3 came out. But a lot of it's components were still installed. I also have Mate, Xfce, Openbox, Enlightenment, and probably one or two other... uh, desktops, window managers, etc, installed. I've tried all of them at least once. Now some people might claim that GNOME *is* the operating system. But don't believe it. It is not. This is proven by the number of people that use Debian every day but do not have GNOME on the system at all. The problem may have to do with gdm3. When I went to upgrade it yesterday it wanted to install a lot of stuff I had previously uninstalled as no longer needed, so I did not upgrade it. I installed xdm instead, which worked. xdm is fine. It is the venerable original X Display Manager that gdm and kdm are based upon. If you preferred a pretty one then lightdm is the same but has shiny styling. I have been using it on systems with a graphical login manager installed. The only reason I prefer gdm3 is it gives me options on which environment I want to load. Normally I use Mate, but xdm didn't offer any choice and I don't know how to change it. Not that i can But I don't know how to configure it and it did not start the desktop I usually run (Mate) so decided to go back to gdm3. I did upgrade it (along with installing the additional packages it required) but now I get the message above. Look for errors in your $HOME/.xsession-errors file. I booted to recovery a couple of times and tried various things. Why boot to recovery? If you are actually getting to the point where your installed gdm/gdm3 is giving you that error then your system is running perfectly fine. Simply log into it and fix the problems with GNOME. You do not need to boot a recovery. Your system will be starting six login terminals on the Linux console. Choose one of them and log in. One of these: Cntl-Alt-F1 Cntl-Alt-F2 Cntl-Alt-F3 Cntl-Alt-F4 Cntl-Alt-F5 Cntl-Alt-F6 Any of those will get you to one of the Linux VTs 1 through 6. The X session will be running on either VT 7 or VT 8. (It should be VT 7 and will be but due to a bug then the second time it will rotate up to VT 8 and remain there.) Use Cntl-Alt-F7 to return to the graphics session runing on VT 7. Or use Cntl-Alt-F8 if it is moved to VT 8. Thinking gdm3 may not have been configured correctly I ran 'dpkg-reconfigure gdm3' and get the message [ ok ] Scheduling reload of GNOME Display Manager configureation: gdm3. But it still does not work. I also removed xdm thinking they may conflict, but that didn't help. Multiple graphical login managers (X display managers) may be installed at the same time. The system selects which one to start by the contents of the /etc/X11/default-display-manager file. It contains one entry. It contains the path to the display manager to start. It will point to one of xdm, gdm, gdm3, kdm, lightdm, or other xdm alternative display manager. I sometimes edit that file manually and make the string point to a non-existent entry (append .disable) to temporarily disable things. Then it won't try to start an xdm at boot time and will display the Linux VT 1. I tried dpkg configure -a in case something else was pending, dpkg --configure -a Good idea. But with the --configure not configure. but there was no output, and I still get the same message as above Then all of the packages successfully configured. when I tried to boot to the desktop. And, finally, after some more head scratching I ran 'apt-get install gnome', thinking that I was missing something related to the Gnome environment. Although it installed a lot of stuff (47 packages, I think), it still stops at the same message as above. The gnome package is a meta package. It depends upon other components such as gnome-core. Removing gnome won't really remove core parts. If they weren't marked as manually installed then you might have them offered as a candidate with 'apt-get
Re: Won't complete bootup (gdm3 problem?)
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Jon N jdnandr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Jon N wrote: I know I shouldn't mess with things, I really don't know what i'm doing for the most part. But sometimes I can't resist. It is okay to mess with things as long as you learn about the system through the process. :-) Now, when I boot my computer, after the Nvidia screen shows (I'm running the drivers downloaded from Nvidia) (shakes head) I get a screen with an unhappy looking computer graphic in the center and below that the text: Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occurred and the system can't recover. Please log out and try again. I think that is GNOME or GDM failing. There is a button labeled Log Out just below that. Logging out and back in (nor rebooting) does not help. Your computer has booted the operating system just fine. Your system is running just fine. But the GNOME desktop environment has failed to start. Yes, except I haven't used Gnome since Gnome 3 came out. But a lot of it's components were still installed. I also have Mate, Xfce, Openbox, Enlightenment, and probably one or two other... uh, desktops, window managers, etc, installed. I've tried all of them at least once. Now some people might claim that GNOME *is* the operating system. But don't believe it. It is not. This is proven by the number of people that use Debian every day but do not have GNOME on the system at all. The problem may have to do with gdm3. When I went to upgrade it yesterday it wanted to install a lot of stuff I had previously uninstalled as no longer needed, so I did not upgrade it. I installed xdm instead, which worked. xdm is fine. It is the venerable original X Display Manager that gdm and kdm are based upon. If you preferred a pretty one then lightdm is the same but has shiny styling. I have been using it on systems with a graphical login manager installed. The only reason I prefer gdm3 is it gives me options on which environment I want to load. Normally I use Mate, but xdm didn't offer any choice and I don't know how to change it. Not that i can oops, fumble fingers. I 'sent' by accident :-). Anyway, not that I can't learn, but I would rather do it when the rest of the system is working the way I like. But I don't know how to configure it and it did not start the desktop I usually run (Mate) so decided to go back to gdm3. I did upgrade it (along with installing the additional packages it required) but now I get the message above. Look for errors in your $HOME/.xsession-errors file. I checked, there are a lot of errors in there. The first few sound promising. Both not being able to parse, and read, several files: /home/username/.config/autostart/xfce4-notes-autostart.desktop /home/username/.config/autostart/xfce4-settings-helper-autostart.desktop /home/username/.config/autostart/zeitgeist-datahub.desktop I booted to recovery a couple of times and tried various things. Why boot to recovery? If you are actually getting to the point where your installed gdm/gdm3 is giving you that error then your system is running perfectly fine. Simply log into it and fix the problems with GNOME. You do not need to boot a recovery. Your system will be starting six login terminals on the Linux console. Choose one of them and log in. One of these: Cntl-Alt-F1 Cntl-Alt-F2 Cntl-Alt-F3 Cntl-Alt-F4 Cntl-Alt-F5 Cntl-Alt-F6 I know about those, and use them. I select one of the recovery options from GRUB just to save a little time if I know I'm not going to load a desktop. Any of those will get you to one of the Linux VTs 1 through 6. The X session will be running on either VT 7 or VT 8. (It should be VT 7 and will be but due to a bug then the second time it will rotate up to VT 8 and remain there.) Use Cntl-Alt-F7 to return to the graphics session runing on VT 7. Or use Cntl-Alt-F8 if it is moved to VT 8. Once I select the 'log out' button I can use Cntl-Alt combo to change VT's, but 7 is blank, and 8 may just have a cursor blinking in the upper left corner. 1-6 are OK. Thinking gdm3 may not have been configured correctly I ran 'dpkg-reconfigure gdm3' and get the message [ ok ] Scheduling reload of GNOME Display Manager configureation: gdm3. But it still does not work. I also removed xdm thinking they may conflict, but that didn't help. Multiple graphical login managers (X display managers) may be installed at the same time. The system selects which one to start by the contents of the /etc/X11/default-display-manager file. It contains one entry. It contains the path to the display manager to start. It will point to one of xdm, gdm, gdm3, kdm, lightdm, or other xdm alternative display manager. I sometimes edit that file manually and make the string point to a non-existent entry (append .disable) to temporarily disable things
Re: Won't complete bootup (gdm3 problem?)
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Fri, 2013-11-29 at 12:44 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: If you want to avoid GNOME then I would install either 'xdm' or 'lightdm' and then install 'xfce4'. It is much more likely to operate correctly and successfully. Confirmed! LightDM + Xfce does cause less issues on all distros I tested. I try to replace Xfce, because it has got some weak points, but I still recommend Xfce and I don't know if I'll find a DE to replace it, maybe I stay with Xfce. GNOME3, Mate, and Cinnamon are no-gos. I suspect Enlightenment will be a no-go forever too, but I have given up to test it again. If you don't have high standards, just use a WM or Fluxbox, Ion or something that lightweight. I'm testing KDE4 again and I also perhaps will take a look at LXDE again. Enlightenment seems a long way from the heavyweights like Gnome, Mate, etc. Why do you feel that is also a no-go? My problems with large DEs, such as GNOME and KDE is, that while all DEs have weak points, the heavy weight DEs like GNOME and KDE tend to make dependencies hard dependencies, that should be optional and they are so huge that it's hard to find a culprit, if something does annoy you. A small DE usually has more optional, than hard dependencies and if something is bad, it's easy to find and remove. Funny you should mention that. One of the things I found odd is that when I went to upgrade gdm3 it wanted to install Evolution. Why would a display manager need a desktop program that does email/calendar/etc? An example of such a thing that annoys me is a buggy virtual file thingy. For Xfce it was easy to find and to remove the HDD killer. GVFS does wake up green drives again and again. The same HDD killer is used by GNOME, but for GNOME it's not an optional, but a hard dependency, so it's a little bit more work to remove it. KDE has got such a HDD killer too, but I still need to find it. If I should know what does kill the HDDs (KIO, Nepomuk or whatever else), then it might be a hard dependency, maybe easy, but perhaps impossible to remove. Everything with GTK/GNOME dependencies has got a huge risk to fail. GTK2 is ok, but asking to switch to GTK3 and then the fun begins. each update then will be a lottery. Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cancvmg2fxlse3vpv9ok2kms3s2_vjy6_q87vyeqioa0cru6...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Won't complete bootup (gdm3 problem?)
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Fri, 2013-11-29 at 15:43 -0500, Jon N wrote: The only reason I prefer gdm3 is it gives me options on which environment I want to load. Normally I use Mate, but xdm didn't offer any choice and I don't know how to change it. That's not a good reason. A good reason to use GDM3 might be accessibility. I guess Orca (a speech synth) does work with GDM3, if so, it also makes sense that the dependency chain even does include a sound server as hard dependency. I don't know xdm, I'm using LightDM and I guess it can be used with more or less the same greeters as GDM can be used. So all the options and flashy appearances should be available too, excepted of some very special things. I guess there will be no sound, IOW no Orca for LightDM, but regarding to this, also no hard dependency to a sound server. Well, it was very good (IMHO) when it was gdm2, I really liked it then. Mostly because I could easily configure it so I didn't even see it at all (it logged me in automatically). And I use Gnome then also, which at the time I liked that too. But, the good news is I am back up and running again. I install lightDM (thanks for the suggestion!) which did bring me to a log in prompt. The first time I logged in I accepted the default, which gave me the 'Oops, Something has gone wrong' screen again. But the next time I selected Mate and I'm back to my normal desktop. All this talk about desktops has me thinking of what I will install when I get my new system. I really like what I think is a traditional desktop, such as what Gnome2 gave me. I like the idea of some of the lightweight environments such as Blackbox or Enlightenment, but can't get used to using them. I did run Xfce for a while, since it's installed (and hopefully still working) I can switch back and forth pretty easily so will have to try it again. Thanks again for your help, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANcvmg1CJfti=gaqjy8ncmyj_3zbvndjuqt6gwkkwm8k9mk...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Won't complete bootup (gdm3 problem?)
On Nov 29, 2013 5:29 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Fri, 2013-11-29 at 16:34 -0500, Jon N wrote: Enlightenment seems a long way from the heavyweights like Gnome, Mate, etc. Why do you feel that is also a no-go? During the years I tested it several times and it never was stable when I used it. Funny you should mention that. One of the things I found odd is that when I went to upgrade gdm3 it wanted to install Evolution. Why would a display manager need a desktop program that does email/calendar/etc? If you used synaptic, it might be, that it was set up to automatically install optional dependencies too. Unlikely that the dependency chain does include Evolution ... but not impossible ;). I checked, that option is turned off (which I prefer). But I remembered later that Gnome-session was in the upgrade list also, so it was probably that.
Re: Won't complete bootup (gdm3 problem?)
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Jeff Bauer alienj...@charter.net wrote: On 11/29/2013 05:21 PM, Joe wrote: But I came from Gnome2, and LXDE feels more comfortable than Xfce. My first experience with Linux and KDE was with a Knoppix live CD. KDE? Never. Again. I boot to a tty prompt, log in, and type startx which brings up my forever faithful ratpoison WM. Between ratpoison and ROX, I'm pretty much set and not shopping for a DE. Jeff I tried KDE a couple of time, but I have to admit I found it confusing. I felt like I was chasing my tail trying to find things. Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cancvmg3twlvta7bszeewn-okxtbukm00noiqf9ioc+-2g2f...@mail.gmail.com
Your experience with this hardware: ASRock H87M-ITX
Hi, I believe it is sometimes suggested that if you want to know about how well some hardware will work with Linux in general, or Debian specifically, to post the specific hardware here and ask. With that in mind I am planning on buying the motherboard ASRock H87M-ITX and would like to know how well this has worked, or not, if anyone here has tried it. Below is the some of the specs on the board (Autdio, network, etc) if someone knows details about those individually. Model: ASRock H87M-ITX CPU Socket Type: LGA 1150 CPU Type: Intel Haswell processors (I'm thinking of either the faster Pentiums (G3220 to G3430) or slowest i3 (4130) North Bridge: Intel H87 SATA: 4 x SATA 6Gb/s SATA RAID 0/1/5/10 (probably won't use it, I use what I think is called mdadm now (I set it up so long ago I no longer remember exactly what I used :-)). Audio Chipset: Realtek ALC892 LAN Chipset: Qualcomm Atheros AR8171 Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANcvmg1dpzdO1dm_f+nbGPK=tkoqc_t7e_7pxzoyxcnodwg...@mail.gmail.com
NAS hdd's in Debian desktop computer?
Hi, I've been shopping around for new hardware to build a new desktop computer for myself. This would be both a MythTV frontend/backend, as well as for general purpose computing (which for me means mostly internet browsing and email, but occasionally I use LibreOffice, view PDF's and similar non-exciting things). I realized that with the hardware I have picked out so far I have the opportunity to have a fairly low power, as in it will not use a lot of electricity, computer. And I like that idea very much. I thought picking a hard drive would be mostly a no-brainer. I had a particular manufacturer and model line in mind. I have one of these already and it works without problem. But, the reviews show a _lotS of complaints recently of either DOA's or failures after only a few months. Even though I know reviews are not perfect, I do rely heavily on them for product comparison. I did notice though that the model line of hard drives listed as for use in NAS's had a much better user review rating, and also had similar power usage ratings as the energy savings models. But I can't figure out if there are any reasons not to use one of these drives in desktop system. So far, about the only potential issue I can see is something called (...) Error Recovery Control. If I have this correct, if a desktop drive is having problems reading something it just keeps trying for a long time (I haven't found any reference as to how long, but it's longer than a NAS drive). This would cause a NAS to think the drive was broken and ignore it. A NAS drive on the other hand will try for a shorter period of time and (if it still fails) report the problem to the NAS so the NAS OS can take steps in correcting it. Which leads to my questions. If the NAS drive is installed in a desktop computer running Debian Linux what is the result of this? Will this command just be ignored? Will the shorter time the drive spends trying to perform whatever operation it's having a problem with cause a problem if the OS does not have a way of dealing with this? How else will will this affect my system? In my online searches I have seen many results dealing with using desktop drives in NAS's, but nothing (so far) that addresses the issue the other way around. So any light you can shed on this will be gratefully appreciated. Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANcvmg3qOX8T=+MuCqa8VoEUW=+dbuhqjo_w0pvtxqxgsdu...@mail.gmail.com
Re: NAS hdd's in Debian desktop computer?
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Dan Ritter d...@randomstring.org wrote: For MythTV storage, you either value the video data enough to have multiple copies, or you don't. (I assume you value the database enough to run the standard backup job daily, and store it on a disk that is not running your database.) Although I would definitely not like to loose the recordings (which would be about all that would be on this disk) I have never considered hdd's inexpensive enough to back up that much data. The database is though, and much smaller of course. There is a script that makes backups that are on a different drive than the database. It just occurred to me that this backup is small enough that I could put a copy in the cloud also, a little redundancy wouldn't hurt. If you keep multiple copies of the video data on different disks, then it will be safe against a disk failure. If you don't, it won't. True enough. Just to be clear, I was not asking about backup media when I referred to hdd's described as a NAS drives, but for use as my main storage. I assume at this point you were talking about backup because of my concern over hdd failure. Since I do a lousy job of backing up much of anything I will have to rethink my storage plans all over again. If I don't backup all the video's I would certainly need much less space to do it. Either way, there's no reason not to use NAS rated disks. Good. That was the main question. Do you know if Linux (Debian or not) would do something different based on the (...) Error Recovery Control message than it would do otherwise? Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cancvmg2osdo7mreqyhaxyyaps0unou2ckmg8d2mifjwzvda...@mail.gmail.com
Re: NAS hdd's in Debian desktop computer?
On Nov 22, 2013 7:42 PM, Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:13 AM, Jon N jdnandr...@gmail.com wrote: snip Which leads to my questions. If the NAS drive is installed in a desktop computer running Debian Linux what is the result of this? Will this command just be ignored? Will the shorter time the drive spends trying to perform whatever operation it's having a problem with cause a problem if the OS does not have a way of dealing with this? How else will will this affect my system? In my online searches I have seen many results dealing with using desktop drives in NAS's, but nothing (so far) that addresses the issue the other way around. So any light you can shed on this will be gratefully appreciated. Both mdadm and a real HW RAID controller will kick a drive out of the array if it takes too long to respond. Mdadm is by default set higher than HW RAID, though. Either way, it just means less chance of a false positive drive failure. It won't be in a RAID, I was just thinking of using it as a regular hdd. Since there won't be RAID controller, and as far as I know Mdadm won't be running (does it run if I don't set up a RAID?) I was wondering how it, or if, it would affect the system. Thanks, Jon
Re: Questions about new hardware Debian (or Linux in general)
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Dan Ritter d...@randomstring.org wrote: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/gpu-hdmi-audio-document/gpu-hdmi-audio.html There you go; now you can be aware of it. 3.1 Pre-Azalia: Some older GPUs included a connector to receive S/PDIF audio from a separate sound card, and route that audio over HDMI. This document does not cover such devices at all. 3.2. Azalia: Newer GPUs include a fully-fledged sound card, implemented according to the Intel HD-audio (Azalia”) specification. This document covers such devices. Well, thank you very much. Actually, I had already posted a question on the MythTV mail list about this question before I saw your reply. They say they do this (use the HDMI on a discrete card for audio) all the time :-). I read part of the page at Nvidia, it was very helpful. Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANcvmg1g8juiGrF2wbR7dv+pR=zqujhotcrjrwbazngd4og...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Questions about new hardware Debian (or Linux in general)
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/11/13 09:03, Jon N wrote: Hi, I have been a Debian user for I'd guess 7 or 8 years now. I would like to thank all of you that helped create a system that is so useful. Despite using it for so long I am far from a power users, I basically rely on the fact that it works well (or if it doesn't it will soon :-)). My current computer is also about that old and I am finally planning on buying some new hardware. A lot of stuff has changed in that time that's new to me, so I would like to ask some general questions before I purchase to save some potential headaches later. Good idea. Thanks. I guess one of the 1st issues I might have to deal with is UEFI, since if there are any issues with that it could show up when trying to install the OS. At the moment I'm not planning on installing another OS on the computer, but that may change. I do have Windows XP on my current system, but I will probably leave it there. I have considered installed another Linux distribution in the future just to see how it may be different. Hopefully different distributions of Linux will play nicely, at least as far as the question of UEFI. So, to sum it up, what do I need to know about Linux, or Debian, and UEFI? The answer is contextual and you haven't supplied the context (what do you know, what are you looking at buying, what needs to be known about it). We could guess at an answer but at best you'd get more information than you'd need. :) e.g. the issues associated with UEFI will depend on the hardware, unless you are planning on regularly building new boxen a specific answer is likely most useful. Does this mean I will need to know the manufacturer and possible model of a motherboard to find out if I will have problem with UEFI? That will certainly make this a more difficult proposition. At this time my plans are to purchase a new processor, motherboard, memory, SSD and case, at least. I am considering an Intel processor (Pentium, G3220, or similar) and Mini-ITX motherboard. These boards seem to all have Intel North Bridges on them, H81, H87 (Note: the G3220 is Haswell and the H81, H87 are the North Bridge for that. But I may use Ivy Bridge if that makes things easier, which would be the H61, or H67 North Bridge, I think). Perhaps a better solution is to suggest 'how' you can find the best answer (least irrelevant information). I usually recommend people research hardware to match their requirements, then check that hardware for support. The second step simply requires a search engine so you can see whether people are having problems with that hardware and what, if any, solutions apply. e.g.:- https://www.google.com/search?q=debian+Asus+Sabertooth+X79 (with portable devices there are a couple of sites I check for build/install guides) I have done some searching, but mostly to familiarize myself with some of the newer technology before I started shopping. I liked the idea of posting here because it's interactive, and I thought I would have a concentration of knowledgeable Debian users :-). But, you are right, a specific search, especially for specific hardware, may be more productive. When I get home from work I will give that a try. Thanks, Jon 1. List requirements 2. List hardware that meets requirements 3. Check for Debian support/issues 4. Find best prices for chosen hardware 5. Purchase hardware 6. Plan build 7. Build [8. Beer] Thanks, Jon Kind regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5281c944.8050...@gmail.com -- Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANcvmg3yAUxZPEgj8B+=PMTVni=+2q7vsnk7vm0ar5oqeyh...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Questions about new hardware Debian (or Linux in general)
I did a search for Debian and Haswell (plus a couple of related searches) and found several helpful things. One was several posts on Phoronx (including http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTM5MzU) that suggest support is pretty good. I have found several other posts on some Forums about Debian where people have had some trouble, but newer versions of the kernel usually sorted it out (but not always). I will have to go back and make a list of the network controllers and audio chipsets on boards I am interested in and do some more searching. But overall, if I stay away from exotic hardware (assuming I recognize it when I see it :-)) I think this should work fairly well. There is one an area that I'm pretty unsure of. I am planning on purchasing a Nvidia video card and disabling the built in Intel video support. Since I plan to use this computer as a MythTV frontend/backend (as well as for general web browsing/email) getting the audio out on the Nvidia card's HDMI port is important to my particular setup. So will the audio automatically be switched to the Nvidia cards HDMI connector? I realize this question doesn't reference an actual hardware (what boards, what version, what sound system will be installed, etc), so if there is possibly anyway to generalize the answer that would be appreciated. At this point I can say I would let the Debian Installer install the default sound system, what ever that would be. I run 'Testing' on my current computer, but don't really need to, so may choose 'Stable' for the new hardware. Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cancvmg14mc7p1r0g4auapw7jf6_2+mn4ya4fwcl5iujodfq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Questions about new hardware Debian (or Linux in general)
On Nov 12, 2013 7:32 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: On 11/12/2013 5:37 PM, Jon N wrote: ... There is one an area that I'm pretty unsure of. I am planning on purchasing a Nvidia video card and disabling the built in Intel video support. Since I plan to use this computer as a MythTV frontend/backend (as well as for general web browsing/email) getting the audio out on the Nvidia card's HDMI port is important to my particular setup. So will the audio automatically be switched to the Nvidia cards HDMI connector? No, it won't be automatic. And frankly I don't believe nVidia supports HDMI digital audio pass through, nor any discrete GPU card. For argument's sake, let's say it does. Then you run into the problem that the onboard audio chip can't pass digital audio through PCIe to the nVidia HDMI port. None of them are designed to do this, that I'm aware of. Wow, I'm glad I asked that question :-). If I understand this correctly it it doesn't matter if there is any video hardware on the mainboard, in the processor, or none at all, you still can't get sound from a audio chipset on the mainboard to the video card's HDMI connector anyway. If I were you I'd get a mainboard with with HDMI out and use the CPU's GPU. Mobos that have onboard HDMI have their audio chips wired to the HDMI port, the chips support PCM/AC3 digital output, and selecting the HDMI output for digital audio is pretty straightforward. I think pretty much all the Mobos have HDMI in them, especially since they support a processor line that all has built in video. I was planning on Nvidia simply because a) I use it now and b) I am under the impression that they have better overall support (i.e.: just work better). But I may be underestimating how well the built in Intel video solution works. And it would same me money by not purchasing a new board, use less electricity (love that), and maybe even make the system quieter (no fan on a separate video card). I will check over at the MythTV mailing list about it. The Intel GPU should be plenty powerful enough for HD1080 output. If you decide it's not, and want to add a discrete card, you'll need a mobo with coaxial digital SPDIF output, or Toslink optical digital output, and a TV or A/V receiver that is cable of using an HDMI input for video while using coax or Toslink for audio. Nearly all modern A/V receivers support this. WRT LCD/Plasma TVs I have no idea how many support this. I currently use my DVI out to HDMI in on my receiver, and s/pdif for the audio, it works fine. I thought it would be nice to have it all in one. I think the HDMI supports higher bandwidth for the audio, but I'm not sure anything I'm playing would need it anyway. Thanks, Jon
Re: Questions about new hardware Debian (or Linux in general)
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: I'd just narrow down the hardware you're looking for as you've done then pick a specific example of a board the features it - then search for debian support for that board (I usually do that in store on my phone unless I'm ordering it online). I do see more post regarding a particular motherboard than specific chipsets, that may be easier. So far my searches have only turned up a few boards I'd be interested in, so if one didn't pan out at least there wouldn't be a long list to go through. Those (mythTV) questions are often best answered by your local LUG or the mythTV forums as they can generally suggest current best buys. Now that you've now supplied the primary context ;) mythTV, it's easier to find a solution. I'm headed to the MythTV list group next. Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANcvmg3kT=qf6D1gWqXT=6iMANVX_Y1Y66GVNEs-vpd-=yp...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Questions about new hardware Debian (or Linux in general)
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: ---big snip--- Sorry, but UEFI isn't always implemented identically (it's dependant on firmware). There are also some issues with installing Debian64 and UEFI. In every case I'm aware of it's possible to install Debian, but some cases call for different approaches (GRUB2 or EFI stub) hence my suggestion to focus on the specifics for the hardware you intend to use - just to save you time and hassle. Well, there is always at least some small chance for a problem, but overall I feel fairly confident (hopefully not overly so). When I narrow down my choice to a specific motherboard I'll do a search for it and Linux, and maybe ask here before I purchase. Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cancvmg1pvjgy53xow+jfrersifftjagbrhsdqgsepx2pg7g...@mail.gmail.com
Questions about new hardware Debian (or Linux in general)
Hi, I have been a Debian user for I'd guess 7 or 8 years now. I would like to thank all of you that helped create a system that is so useful. Despite using it for so long I am far from a power users, I basically rely on the fact that it works well (or if it doesn't it will soon :-)). My current computer is also about that old and I am finally planning on buying some new hardware. A lot of stuff has changed in that time that's new to me, so I would like to ask some general questions before I purchase to save some potential headaches later. I guess one of the 1st issues I might have to deal with is UEFI, since if there are any issues with that it could show up when trying to install the OS. At the moment I'm not planning on installing another OS on the computer, but that may change. I do have Windows XP on my current system, but I will probably leave it there. I have considered installed another Linux distribution in the future just to see how it may be different. Hopefully different distributions of Linux will play nicely, at least as far as the question of UEFI. So, to sum it up, what do I need to know about Linux, or Debian, and UEFI? Thanks, Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cancvmg0kmcusjw3khbe4ejx1u07yujh+ca+a7wccpsh2zd4...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Questions about new hardware Debian (or Linux in general)
Thanks Karl - I was thinking it would 'just work', but wanted to make sure. And leaving Windows out of the mix probably doesn't hurt either. On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Karl E. Jorgensen k...@jorgensen.org.uk wrote: Hi On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 05:03:44PM -0500, Jon N wrote: Hi, I have been a Debian user for I'd guess 7 or 8 years now. I would like to thank all of you that helped create a system that is so useful. Despite using it for so long I am far from a power users, I basically rely on the fact that it works well (or if it doesn't it will soon :-)). My current computer is also about that old and I am finally planning on buying some new hardware. A lot of stuff has changed in that time that's new to me, so I would like to ask some general questions before I purchase to save some potential headaches later. Rule of thumb: stick with off-the-shelf stuff :-) You don't want to be the first guy with some esoteric hardware. I guess one of the 1st issues I might have to deal with is UEFI, since if there are any issues with that it could show up when trying to install the OS. At the moment I'm not planning on installing another OS on the computer, but that may change. I do have Windows XP on my current system, but I will probably leave it there. I have considered installed another Linux distribution in the future just to see how it may be different. Hopefully different distributions of Linux will play nicely, at least as far as the question of UEFI. I cannot help you in the UEFI area, but it should be relatively easy to convert your XP installation into a virtual machine - should run fine inside e.g. VirtualBox. So, to sum it up, what do I need to know about Linux, or Debian, and UEFI? It probably just works :-) Only booting a single OS makes things much less error-prone here. -- Karl E. Jorgensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2013222518.GK19624@hawking -- Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANcvmg2=3t2urr4nh7qn9n+51zobeesdevrdknkcfd2q6qp...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Questions about new hardware Debian (or Linux in general)
Neal, Well, I think you've found my weak point. I have been looking at fairly new stuff. When shopping for processors I found there was little difference in price between Intel's Haswell verses Ivy Bridge (at least for Pentiums, which what I'm thinking of getting). So the mainboards have new chipsets (either H81 or H87). Is the chipset an issue? I was going to go for an entry level Nvidia graphics card, so I don't think that shouldn't be a problem. And the Audio and NIC chips vary by the board, which I haven't selected yet, so that will come next. Jon On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Neal Murphy neal.p.mur...@alum.wpi.edu wrote: On Monday, November 11, 2013 05:25:18 PM Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: Hi On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 05:03:44PM -0500, Jon N wrote: Hi, I have been a Debian user for I'd guess 7 or 8 years now. I would like to thank all of you that helped create a system that is so useful. Despite using it for so long I am far from a power users, I basically rely on the fact that it works well (or if it doesn't it will soon :-)). My current computer is also about that old and I am finally planning on buying some new hardware. A lot of stuff has changed in that time that's new to me, so I would like to ask some general questions before I purchase to save some potential headaches later. Rule of thumb: stick with off-the-shelf stuff :-) You don't want to be the first guy with some esoteric hardware. To expand on this point a little, buy mainboards, NICs (even if built-in) and video cards that were manufactured not much later than early 2012. Debian stable doesn't necessarily support all newer hardware. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131822.24108.neal.p.mur...@alum.wpi.edu -- Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cancvmg2xw7dq24p00daz9hueqg6ty+psw13xsrijdz-mrm8...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Rooting an Android Tablet on Debian
Hi, not answering your specific question, but On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 02:57:18PM -0400, Charles Kroeger wrote: I got a Kobo Arc that runs Android 4.0.4 and would like to become su for this device snip I use Calibre with the Arc for moving books around but Calibre is useless with the Adobe DRM menace and most of my books require this. Are you only interested in rooting it in order to solve the second problem? In which case I can't see *how* it solves the second problem. I guess you need to strip the Adobe DRM, which if possible, could be done from a desktop machine, after which your ebook reader on a non-rooted device would be fine. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130311164453.GH31390@debian
Re: Cost of packages in disk space?
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:47:22AM -0600, green wrote: So, imagine that I have a full filesystem and want to fix it by removing a single package. I would need to get a list of manually installed packages, and go through each one of them individually, proposing a removal and saving aptitude's freed space result. A week later, I might have a list of freed space values to sort. Yes, unless you pre-sort the list of packages that you investigate to maximize the chance of solving your issue with the least removals. Some local knowledge would make this most efficient, say you run a predominantly GNOME/GTK desktop, for example, but you have a small number (perhaps 1) of QT or KDE apps installed, if you could spare them then such packages should be high up the list. So this would have to be scripted to be useful It would certainly be useful if this was scripted. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130226155935.GA10764@debian
Re: Cost of packages in disk space?
For simple per-package results, dpigs from debian-goodies gives you what you want (and is little more than a one-liner similar to what was posted by another to this thread, internally.) As for cumulative space, what you want is not how much space a package takes up but to answer the question: for a given set of package operations, what space will be occupied/freed? In my experience, firing up aptitude, programming in the proposed change (removals or additions) and hitting 'go' once, gives you the space changes that would result if you hit 'go' a second time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130225173548.GC27141@debian
Re: OT: just falling back to fluxbox after Gnome3 mem-leak experince
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 12:09:16PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: Indeed, but we're talking about 3GB of memory here, which seems hard to justify for such an application. Sure, but my point was it's not a leak. Being memory inefficient is one thing. Leaking memory is where, over time, it takes more and more memory because it is not properly freeing up memory it has finished with. You need to sample the memory usage more than once to establish that some is being lost to leaks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130215115750.GF19236@debian
Re: OT: just falling back to fluxbox after Gnome3 mem-leak experince
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 11:28:51AM +0100, Peter Viskup wrote: Hi all, just want to share my bad experience with Gnome3 in testing. They have/had some mem-leaks in there. viskup@viskup:~$ uptime 11:10:57 up 16 days, 17:01, 10 users, load average: 1.61, 1.34, 1.07 I'm not sure what this is supposed to demonstrate. Has gnome-shell been running for 16 days? viskup@viskup:~$ awk '/Name|VmSize|VmPeak/' /proc/4186/status Name: gnome-shell VmPeak: 3537456 kB VmSize: 3403068 kB That doesn't show a memory leak. What was the memory usage at start-up? For ref, my gnome-shell instance appears to have been running 8 days (odd, I don't remember restarting it then) and is using awk '/Name|VmSize|VmPeak/' /proc/$(pidof gnome-shell)/status Name: gnome-shell VmPeak: 1250636 kB VmSize: 1190912 kB ii gnome-shell 3.4.2-6 amd64 graphical shell for I'm one version behind you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130208141241.GA6533@debian
Re: OT - Convert output of byte count to GB count?
You could use GNU units. It appears to treat SI prefixes as strictly base 10,
so use the KiB/MiB etc. variants where applicable:
$ units 8112116KiB MiB
* 7921.9883
/ 0.00012623094
Something like
…21| awk '/transferred/' {print $1}'|while read i; do units ${i}bytes
GiB; done
That will need playing around with.
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Re: copy current HDD setout on preseed
On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 02:40:18PM +0100, Frank Lanitz wrote: Depending on your goal you could create the layout and put it into kind of a image. Fastest way would be e.g. dd if=/dev/sda of=/foo/baa At last as long as you are not writing, whats your goal ;) OP mentioned preseeding. Can they perform an operation such as you suggest from within a preseed configuration? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130206135738.GC2627@debian
Re: Yast for debian
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 04:17:56PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: is there any tool equivalent to yast in Debian? For those of us unfamiliar with what Yast is or does now, can you explain the particular features you are looking for? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121217111847.GB26408@debian
Re: Network Manager icon not working well
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 12:50:36PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: is there any service which monitors status of Ethernet and changes Network manager's icon on gnome-control-panel? Network Manager. For GNOME3, nm does not draw the icon in the display, gnome-shell overrides it and provides its own. I've had gnome-shell and nm fall out / lose d-bus connection or something else more than once, and that may be a related problem here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121217112013.GC26408@debian
Re: Debian 7 wheezy should be released by now, don't u think?
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 11:53:41AM +0100, Johan Grönqvist wrote: You can have a look at http://richardhartmann.de/blog/posts/2012/12/14-Debian_Release_Critical_Bug_report_for_Week_50/ to see the number of release critical bugs. The release should wait until that number is zero. Near zero. I don't think any release has waited until it was actually zero. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121217112052.GD26408@debian
Re: Gnome3 probe
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 08:30:24AM -0500, Rob Owens wrote: Cinnamon is actually in Sid right now. I haven't tried it, so I don't know how well it works. Thanks for the information. It still won't get into the next stable release, but being officially packaged is likely to be in the one after that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121217133458.GA28215@debian
Re: Gnome3 probe
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:35:59AM +0100, phi debian wrote: So my question, does next release of debian will be poluted with gnome3, are will we have a choice? Even a dangled gnome2 would be good for me. GNOME2 will be gone, GNOME3 will be present, and the fallback mode has been renamed GNOME classic and is available as a desktop session (that is, you can select it from the login prompt). So, if you can customize the fallback/classic mode to your tastes, which may involve writing or using extensions, great. If not, you could consider one of the other desktop environments in Debian, or you could use the 3rd party MATE packages which are a fork of the GNOME2 codebase. There's some chance that MATE will be officially packaged in Debian for the release after next, but not for wheezy. Finally, there's another effort called Cinnamon which tries to give a GNOME2-like experience on top of GNOME3 technology, again that is not packaged officially for the next release of Debian, but is available third party, and might be in the release after next. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121214124003.GC16048@debian
Re: upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy
On Sun, Dec 02, 2012 at 08:35:51PM -0500, Charles Kroeger wrote: hummm...I don't know but I care nothing for these code words squeeze wheezy sid etc. I prefer good 'ol stable testing unstable experimental. They both serve their own purposes. The code names continue to point at the same release, even when it changes from being testing to stable, or stable to oldstable. Try these in your 'sources.list as well: snip deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free deb-src http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free deb-src http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free Dangerous unless you have also set up pinning properly. I would instead suggest to make or put into your /etc/apt/preferences file: Package: debian-reference-fr (en?) Pin: release a=unstable Pin-Priority: 500 Package: debian-reference-common Pin: release a=unstable Pin-Priority: 500 These particular pinning rules will not prevent unstable packages being installed if you go for the above stanzes in the sources.list file. and in your /etc/apt/apt.conf file: APT::Default-Release unstable; That will force the user to unstable. They want to use wheezy! Build-Essential build-essential; Clean-Installed true; Immediate-Configure true; // DO NOT turn this off, see the man page Force-LoopBreak false; // DO NOT turn this on, see the man page Install-Recommends true; Install-Suggests false; These are all the default apt values. Why bother writing them out in the config? Ignore-Hold false; Cache-Start 20971520; Cache-Grow 1048576; Cache-Limit 0; Default-Release ; I can't see the relevance of any of these for the problem at hand. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121204093037.GA13258@debian
Re: Problem With exim4 smtp authenication
Do either your username or password have a colon character in them? Do you need to connect to a particular port on the remote SMTP server in order to authenticate (e.g., some may accept authentication on the default SMTP port, some might not - you may need to connect to the submission port.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121203163443.GB3140@debian
Re: Dying hard drive?
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 08:04:52PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: Have a look at the /etc/inittab file. I have: # less /etc/inittab [...] # What to do when CTRL-ALT-DEL is pressed. ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now I'm fairly sure that X eats CTRL-ALT-DEL and init doesn't get to see those keypresses: so in X, CTRL-ALT-DEl does not trigger a shutdown. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121202093328.GA22114@debian
Re: which package has a binary like this sendmail one in exim?
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 09:40:18PM +0100, Cosme Domínguez Díaz wrote: El 28/11/12 19:42, Britton Kerin escribió: Does anyone know what debian package provides the /usr/bin/sendmail program ^^^ or its equivalent like on the first system described? http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=squeezesection=allarch=any; searchon=contentskeywords=%2Fusr%2Fsbin%2Fsendmail Note 'bin' not 'sbin'. The answer, with adjusted search, is none. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121129080342.GC24783@debian
Re: which package has a binary like this sendmail one in exim?
Some interesting replies , many of which seem to have not read your message ;) On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 09:42:31AM -0900, Britton Kerin wrote: I know exim sometimes contains a sendmail binary because on one system I get this: britt...@brittonkerin.com [~]# sendmail --version Exim version 4.76 #1 built 26-Oct-2012 16:41:54 snip But on my debian box (current stable distribution), there is no /usr/bin/sendmail binary even though I have exim installed. There is a /usr/sbin/sendmail binary, but it doesn't seem to be the same one because: snip Does anyone know what debian package provides the /usr/bin/sendmail program or its equivalent like on the first system described? There are no packages providing /usr/bin/sendmail in Debian. However if you were invoking 'sendmail' without a full path as root, you were probably running /usr/sbin/sendmail. On which host did it result in the version output? Could the owner of that host have built their own exim from source? Next question: why do you want it? Although exim as /usr/sbin/sendmail does not support --version, it does support most other sendmail flags, so it can be used wherever you might have expected to use sendmail, as a user at least. What are you trying to do? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121129080737.GD24783@debian
Re: how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 03:47:46PM +0100, Slavko wrote: Ubuntu leaves 93 % of packages untouched and changes/additions are done only to 7 % from them (statistic by some Ubuntu Debian developer - sorry i have no link). Then Ubuntu has significantly less to do... That's a flawed argument. It takes no notice of how big the changes in those 7% of packages might be. And it does not consider packages which do not exist in Debian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121128145700.GJ30837@debian
Re: how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:00:07AM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jon Dowland wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 03:47:46PM +0100, Slavko wrote: Ubuntu leaves 93 % of packages untouched and changes/additions are done only to 7 % from them (statistic by some Ubuntu Debian developer - sorry i have no link). Then Ubuntu has significantly less to do... That's a flawed argument. It takes no notice of how big the changes in those 7% of packages might be. And it does not consider packages which do not exist in Debian. That's an even more flawed argument. We're talking about packaging, not development. How do you draw a distinction? Lots of software in Debian and Ubuntu carry lots and lots of patches on top of the code supplied by upstream. Slavko's argument was that Ubuntu rides on the coattails of Debian, but the cited statistic did not include enough information to draw that conclusion. (Personally, I'm suspicious of software and changes that are distribution-specific.) It's considered a good rule of thumb to deviate as little as possible and submit deviations to upstream for inclusion where possible. But it's not always possible. What that 7% statistic really suggests is some combination of: a. Some of those packages are developed by folks who use Ubuntu, and don't get around to releasing a separate package for Debian (or nobody has stepped up to maintain a Debian package). I expect this doesn't matter very much - just as most Debian packages work just fine under Ubuntu, I expect most Ubuntu packages would work just fine under Debian (haven't tried this, though). Slavko phrased it as 'Ubuntu leaves 93 % of packages untouched', which does not imply that packages only existing in Ubuntu and not Debian are considered in that 7%. b. Some small percentage of Debian packages need to be tweaked to accommodate minor differences between the Ubuntu and Debian environments. So 7% of packages are tweaked, but that says nothing about how big the tweaks are, which was my point. Now where the number of users/contributors might really come into play is when it comes to maintaining/developing those aspects of Debian and Ubuntu that are unique to the respective distros (e.g., their installers and package repositories). One of the most important contributions one can make to Debian is to find, diagnose, test and fix bugs. They can exist in any package in the repository, not just those that are OS-specific, or particularly heavily customized in each OS - and how well that process works is directly impacted by the number of users. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121128173503.GC8248@debian
Re: help
Hi - • I was not able to figure what you need help with from your mail • please use a descriptive subject when posting to this list • please do not send HTML to this list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121128201108.GA12791@debian
Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 08:19:01PM +, Russell L. Harris wrote: The best solution for the I must have the very latest, and I must have it now crowd is to switch over to Ubuntu. You can have it right, or you can have it now, but seldom can you have it right now. I must have the very latest… and predictable release times are not the same thing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121127115743.GC8359@debian
how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:39:54AM +, Russell L. Harris wrote: Let's welcome more (I assume we do want more users on our base, don't we? There needs to be a critical mass; but beyond that point, an increase in numbers is not necessarily beneficial. Agreed for 'mere' users, but another factor is how many users become useful contributors. A conversion rate, if you will. And you can compensate for a poor conversion rate, to a certain extent, by having more users. I think we have a poor conversion rate in Debian, and not enough contributors. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121127120021.GD8359@debian
sh (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:30:20AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Also very nice is the output of $ ls -l /bin/sh for Ubuntu it's not bash. For modern Debian installations it's not bash either. Switching /bin/sh to dash by default was done principally to make boot times quicker (dash is smaller and faster to load than bash). Are you actually running Debian, at the moment? I've seen a few statements about you running Ubuntu, or Arch, or similar, and I often wonder why you are posting to debian-user in that case… of course you may be using more than one, in different places. Just curious. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121127120234.GE8359@debian
shells (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:53:30PM +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote: People can use other things than bash, I do not see the problem. And I think that someday I'll try zsh or csh. When I'll have the time :D You should go really left-field and try rc! (but not for /bin/sh.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121127120309.GF8359@debian
Re: sh (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 02:29:15PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Does it really carry weight? With sysvinit, which spawns a lot of sh instances, yes. With something like systemd, no - it tries to solve the same problem in part by not spawning a shell lots of times. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121127145900.GB15117@debian
Re: Dying hard drive?
First and foremost, double check that your SATA cables are properly secure. Install smartctl and run smartctl -a /dev/$disk0 (where $disk0 is e.g. sda); check to see if any of the various SMART attributes indicate a problem. Run a short, then a long SMART self test smartctl -t short /dev/$disk0 smartctl -t long /dev/$disk0 Note that long tests take a LONG time, and you might be best leaving it running and not using the disk much at the same time. It is an online test, but it can be noisy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121127150643.GC15117@debian
Re: shells (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:17:50PM -0300, Beco wrote: Never heard of it. What is rc? A shell. It's packaged in Debian, oddly enough in package 'rc'. May I suggest you try apt-cache show rc, or google? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121127171434.GA17007@debian
Re: sh (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 03:11:54PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: Thanks for the information, Jon. I hadn't realised that! I've merrily carried on using bash. :-/ Bash is a lot friendlier and better suited as a login or interactive shell. The startup time is not so important for that situation. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121127171838.GB17007@debian
Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 03:24:07PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: And I'd *really* like to continue having stable software, and no release till it's ready. I don't think those two things are incompatible with each other. One of the many things that I dislike about Ubuntu, is its habit of releasing on time, and then ironing the bugs out afterwards. Yes. That's not what I want. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121127171916.GC17007@debian
Re: UEFI install
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 08:47:47PM +0100, Erwan David wrote: I got a new Lenovo T530, I added a SSD as second disk, and now have a win7, UEFI boot on MBR partitionned sdb disk. I tried latest beta installer for wheezy (beta4), but it could not boot in UEFI mode (I got a text menu writtent on the right of the screen, then after selecting an entry Error, no suitable mode found, then reboot...) Is that immediately? Do you get a prompt to choose graphical install or text install (or rescue) first? If not, I guess the issue is grub2 failing to draw (it would appear d-i uses grub2 as part of its boot chain nowadays. I'm installing Debian via d-i beta4 as I write, incidentally, on a blank SSD. It's put a GPT table on and an EFI boot partition, w/o there being another OS.) Is there a way for me to install a debian double boot without first reinstalling the windows ? I'm sure we'll find a way :-) (and if someone knows what and how I could report the UEFI boot problems to the D-I team, i'd be glad to give them all info I can). It's worth doing so, either mail to debian-boot@ or a bug report (but I forget which package that should be filed against. Possibly installation-reports?) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121127201633.GA19489@debian
Re: How to prevent daemons from starting at boot after update?
One option would be to install and use systemd. Afaik with systemd, one can use socket-based activation: that is, systemd listens on the socket that your daemons will use and only starts those daemons if something connects. You may need to manually configure that behaviour, I don't know whether systemd in debian at present uses socket activation for most daemons or not. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121127220201.GA21253@debian
Re: shells (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 03:43:00PM -0300, Beco wrote: I tried google, but without more keywords, rc was too little to search. Good point, sorry. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121127220248.GB21253@debian
Re: Dying hard drive?
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 02:50:39PM -0600, Nelson Green wrote: 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 12 I think this is bad. Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error # 1 Short offline Completed: read failure 90% 2718 529598095 # 2 Short offline Completed: read failure 90% 2718 529598095 # 3 Short offline Completed: read failure 90% 2718 529598095 Definitely bad. Time to get a new disk :) $ sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdb ... 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 example of healthy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121127221151.GC21253@debian
Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 01:11:41PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: It would be nice, if there would be the manpower to enable Linux installs on iThingies. I've seen a proof-of-concept Linux running on (I think) a first gen iPad, but I don't think it's got beyond the cool this is possible stage. I won an iPad2 a long time ago and the hardware is amazing. As far as I know there's less hardware or no hardware that can compare with Apple hardware for tablet PCs. It depends what you want to do with it, really, but Apple's build quality is very good, yes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121126163005.GB23442@debian
Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:33:40PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: IOW, is there a rush? Perhaps not a rush but I'd *really* like to have a predictable release schedule. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121126165219.GC23442@debian
Re: how to encrypt/decrypt remote folder ?
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:52:44AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: If I type encfs vs into Google I get: Honestly, doing a basic google search and splurging the results into a mailing list post helps nobody. If you don't have personal experience of solving the problem, don't post. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121122095806.GB8047@debian
Re: systemd intermittent startup
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 09:07:17AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2012-11-19 at 15:07 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Is this the best place for systemd assistance? The best place to get assistance are the insane people who try to force this into every Linux distribution, with LP leading the way. Please do not waste anyone elses times except your own replying to questions which you cannot answer (and indeed are hostile towards). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121119092754.GA17262@debian
