August 10, 2019
I have a dell laptop 1720 and desktop acer ax 1935. I like to know can I install and use Debian on eithers of these two system with out ant problems Can you let me know thank you Randy
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Re: Why Debian
On Monday, November 18, 2013 09:04:12 PM Tamer Higazi wrote: 1. Because I don't like a commercial sponsored operating system. How knows on what kind of stupid idea they come to collect data. To me, this is a point that is not emphasized enough. With the NSA revelations that Microsoft, Apple, et al, have cooperated on eviscerating their encryption and are working with the US gov't to undermine their own customers/users, Debian and the free software warld should be highlighting this key difference in free software. -- The United States became the target of terrorists on 9/11 not because of the country's freedom and democracy, but because U.S. Middle East policy has had nothing to do with freedom and democracy. -- Stephen Zunes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201311182306.09787.redwa...@golgotha.net
Re: Closure?: Re: Every 36 to 48 hours, can't send mail via smtp(.gmail.com)--must reboot to recover
Zenaan, Thanks very much for your response! I might scribble a few notes below or on your subsequent email. Just for the record, I should say that my interest in delving deeper into this problem is both (1) reduced since I've switched back to a static address (and/or found other ways to avoid rebooting every two days), and (2) is harder to dig into while the problem is occurring due to its self correcting nature with the static address. On Saturday 14 September 2013 8:15:18 pm Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 9/15/13, Randy Kramer rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: ... email intermittent on 36-48hr boundary ... Your problem is indeed intriguing. I in recent days discovered something possibly of note for you, but probably not - I've been using mail.google.com in firefox, and would swap between two different computers in my house, which would work, then one day it stopped working, as in, I'd use email on one computer, then email would not work on the other computer. I was proxying through a vpn though, to another computer on a different external IP address, and after some time I figured this out. It seems google uses some server cookie binding client login to ip address (which in hindsight is a sensible security choice), and that if I had have logged out of gmail on first IP address/pc, then logged in on laternate ip/pc, then google probably would have been ok with that. Interesting, I'll have to think about that. I did note (from your next email) your comment about the possibility of my WAN address being changed every 36 to 48 hours (due to expiration of the DHCP lease), but the WAN connection (to Earthlink) is via PPPoE. (And I'm not aware that PPPoE changes the address--I will watch that though, if I notice the problem, I'll check and see if the WAN IP address has changed.) Possibly worth testing your MUA kmail with an strace log file, and view the end of that log as soon as you notice the POP/IMAP stall. Sure, why not--I've never used strace, so I've started running kmail under strace with a tail -f running on the output file. I think it will take me a while before I have much idea of what strace might be telling me, but it can't hurt me to learn a little more. (Well, maybe it can hurt me ;-) Possibly set up another email account with say yahoo or use your isp email account (eg forwarding/copying all your gmail email, so that you know it will have email in it of some sort) and test picking up email from this new account, immediately after, and only after, you find the gmail pop/imap stops working (so you know there is email in there to pick up). Yeah, much harder now that it seems to self-correct with the static IP address, but something to think about, either if it recurs or if I develop an extreme interest in digging deeper into the problem. Hmm, on the other hand--yeah, maybe I will give that a try, but probably not very quickly. The problem has been a bugger to deal with, partly because of the 48 hours between occurrences. Because of your high occurrence latency, you might set up two or three of these alternate accounts, but at least one alternate account would hint at whether it is possibly limited to being protocol (pop/imap) / MUA related (and therefore a client side issue), or email server specific (gmail). Good luck Thanks, and thanks again for your reply and suggestions! Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201309151112.43575.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Closure?: Re: Every 36 to 48 hours, can't send mail via smtp(.gmail.com)--must reboot to recover
Zenaan, On Sunday 15 September 2013 11:30:56 am Zenaan Harkness wrote: ... On 9/15/13, Randy Kramer rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: ... email intermittent on 36-48hr boundary ... http://checkmyip.com/ They key is, what is the public-facing ip address, notwithstanding what eg ifconfig shows you for your ptp link. Understood--I can also see that address in my router ;-) (and I'll check it next time I see the problem occur). Good luck Thanks again! Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201309151300.48159.rhkra...@gmail.com
Closure?: Re: Every 36 to 48 hours, can't send mail via smtp(.gmail.com)--must reboot to recover
FWIW, I thought I'd post an update on the status of the problem. The simplest update is to say that I've switched back to a static IP address on the computer in question (instead of a dynamic address) and the problem is under control. By that, I mean that, it seems the problem still occurs (I'm sending a test email every 10 minutes and thus can recognize when a failure occurs), but it seems that, with a static address, the problem sort of self corrects--that is, so far (two instances, ~48 hours apart), when the next test email is sent, it is sent successfully. While I was using a dynamic address, the only way that I found to restore my email sending ability was by rebooting the computer. I've since found, thanks to a suggestion from Paul Cartwright from this list, that If I quit kmail and waited a half-hour before restarting it, my ability to email was restored. (Perhaps I wouldn't have had to wait a 1/2 hour, but my first attempt, quitting kmail and restarting it within a few minutes, had no effect.) The problem has been a bugger to deal with, partly because of the 48 hours between occurrences. Because switching to a static address has made the problem tolerable, I'll probably live with it the way it is. I do suspect that I might have had the problem for a long time (years) and didn't notice it because it is such a transient thing with a static IP address--if it occurred when I wasn't at the computer, I'd never notice, and if I was at the computer and did notice, (and I have occasionally had problems sending email or browsing web pages), I would probably have attributed it to just some sort of temporary glitch, especially if, for example, my next attempt to send an email was successful. The other factor that comes into play is that I am still using Debian 5.0, and hope to switch (before the end of the year?) to Debian 7.x, and, I'm hoping that the problem might completely disappear at that point. Randy Kramer On Tuesday 03 September 2013 3:25:32 pm Randy Kramer wrote: I was going to write a long email, detailing the various things I've tried, but I thought I'd start with a short email, just generalizing on the problem, to see if it rang a bell with someone. Read the entire email to see the recent changes I made to my LAN--the problem did not exist before I made the changes. Somewhere between 36 and 48 hours after a reboot on my Debian (5.0) system, I can no longer send email via smtp.gmail.com from kmail. Receiving mail becomes somewhat erratic, and some web pages either don't load or load very slowly. At the same time, quite a few other pages load just find at apparently normal speed. The only way I have regained the ability to send email is by rebooting (more below). I think the problem with smtp.gmail.com is a slowdown rather than an outright failure, but the slowdown is such that kmail always times out while attempting to send an email. My incoming email is fetched automatically every 10 minutes, and sometimes I find new mail while the problem is occurring--I think maybe sometimes things are just fast enough so some emails are received. Other times I've tried to manually request the mail and received nothing (but, I don't know for sure that there was mail to receive). The pages that become slow always include those from a google.com or gmail.com domain, but also a seemingly random selection of other pages. It often includes pages from wikipedia, and a recent attempt to load a newegg page did not work. (At one point I was beginning to think that I could only get new pages from domains that were already open in a different tab or browser--I haven't convinced myself of that.) Things I've tried (some of these things may have been silly to try, but, as I really don't have a clue, I'm trying most things I can think of): * shutting down and restarting relevant applications, i.e., Iceweasel, konqueror, Opera, kmail, pidgin (btw, if a page is a problem on one browser, it is a problem on all 3) * ifdown -a, ifup -a * ifupdown restart and ... force-reload * network-manager restart * network-manager-director restart * networking restart * running tracert, ping, dig, ifconfig, looking for anomalies--I'll report some of those results in a future email if someone asks, but they don't tell me anything (I am not, by any means, a network expert) * changing the DNS servers * changing the hosts file--several times, and trying without a hosts file Nothing seems to restore the performance short of a reboot. (I've also tried just waiting several hours to see if the problem goes away. Other computers on the LAN also experience the problem (one is another Debian 5.0 system, another is a SuSe system). I have to reboot the other Debian system as well. Sometimes, it seems the problem is more erratic on the SuSe system--it seems that sometimes either the problem does not occur or seems to correct
Every 36 to 48 hours, can't send mail via smtp(.gmail.com)--must reboot to recover
I was going to write a long email, detailing the various things I've tried, but I thought I'd start with a short email, just generalizing on the problem, to see if it rang a bell with someone. Read the entire email to see the recent changes I made to my LAN--the problem did not exist before I made the changes. Somewhere between 36 and 48 hours after a reboot on my Debian (5.0) system, I can no longer send email via smtp.gmail.com from kmail. Receiving mail becomes somewhat erratic, and some web pages either don't load or load very slowly. At the same time, quite a few other pages load just find at apparently normal speed. The only way I have regained the ability to send email is by rebooting (more below). I think the problem with smtp.gmail.com is a slowdown rather than an outright failure, but the slowdown is such that kmail always times out while attempting to send an email. My incoming email is fetched automatically every 10 minutes, and sometimes I find new mail while the problem is occurring--I think maybe sometimes things are just fast enough so some emails are received. Other times I've tried to manually request the mail and received nothing (but, I don't know for sure that there was mail to receive). The pages that become slow always include those from a google.com or gmail.com domain, but also a seemingly random selection of other pages. It often includes pages from wikipedia, and a recent attempt to load a newegg page did not work. (At one point I was beginning to think that I could only get new pages from domains that were already open in a different tab or browser--I haven't convinced myself of that.) Things I've tried (some of these things may have been silly to try, but, as I really don't have a clue, I'm trying most things I can think of): * shutting down and restarting relevant applications, i.e., Iceweasel, konqueror, Opera, kmail, pidgin (btw, if a page is a problem on one browser, it is a problem on all 3) * ifdown -a, ifup -a * ifupdown restart and ... force-reload * network-manager restart * network-manager-director restart * networking restart * running tracert, ping, dig, ifconfig, looking for anomalies--I'll report some of those results in a future email if someone asks, but they don't tell me anything (I am not, by any means, a network expert) * changing the DNS servers * changing the hosts file--several times, and trying without a hosts file Nothing seems to restore the performance short of a reboot. (I've also tried just waiting several hours to see if the problem goes away. Other computers on the LAN also experience the problem (one is another Debian 5.0 system, another is a SuSe system). I have to reboot the other Debian system as well. Sometimes, it seems the problem is more erratic on the SuSe system--it seems that sometimes either the problem does not occur or seems to correct itself somehow--on the other hand, sometimes I have to reboot (I need to do more testing to confirm--that is a laptop, and I don't always have it connected nor leave it on overnight). The problem may be related to changes to my LAN that I made starting about a month ago. The basic thing I did was drop RCN (cable) as my ISP and switch to Earthlink (DSL). But, other changes either went along with that or seemed appropriate to do at the time. These included: * changing the LAN from coax to twisted pair * changing from manually assigined IP addresses to using DHCP provided by a router on the system (GigaFast EE-420) The problem may have started with the first computer I switched over, but, as I don't use it for emails, I didn't notice a problem until I switched my main computer over. Since then, the problem has occurred like clockwork, every two days (two weeks so far). Aside: I usually find the problem in the morning, reboot, and then the problem occurs during the night of the second day (36 to 48 hours) after a reboot. Ok, sorry that wasn't all that short. If anybody can give me a clue, I'd appreciate it. Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201309031525.32193.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Wireless works, wired doesn't [Debian 6.0.7]
Just catching up on some old emails--although there is probably no reason to do so ;-) On Monday 26 August 2013 12:16:10 am Robert Holtzm wrote: On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 07:38:55PM -0400, Randy Kramer wrote: On Sunday 25 August 2013 3:10:43 pm Alexander Kapshuk wrote: Thanks for your prompt response. The line you suggested commenting out happens to have been commented out by default. I'm not an expert at this stuff, but I believe you need that line--try uncommenting it. Assuming eth0 is your internet card (where you plug in your Ethernet cable / RJ-45 connector, you want that to come up and get an IP address from dhcp. If so, can you account for the fact that I couldn't get eth0 to connect until I commented out that line. BTW, that fix came from a forum. I disremember which one. A search should bring it up. No, I can't. I guess I got confused by some of what is written here--I understood that the line was commented out by default... Doesn't really matter, I hope by now you've solved your problem. Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201309031549.31327.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Wireless works, wired doesn't [Debian 6.0.7]
On Sunday 25 August 2013 3:10:43 pm Alexander Kapshuk wrote: Thanks for your prompt response. The line you suggested commenting out happens to have been commented out by default. I'm not an expert at this stuff, but I believe you need that line--try uncommenting it. Assuming eth0 is your internet card (where you plug in your Ethernet cable / RJ-45 connector, you want that to come up and get an IP address from dhcp. Randy Kramer On Aug 25, 2013 8:45 PM, Robert Holtzm hol...@cox.net wrote: On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 06:27:34PM +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: Howdy, Upon starting my PC, wireless networking was found to be working, but not the wired one. /var/log/daemon.log says DHCPv4 request timed out. Canceled DHCP transaction. What could be wrong here? I had the same problem. The fix was to comment out the last line in /etc/network/interfaces. Should look like this: # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5). # The loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback # The primary network interface allow-hotplug eth0 #iface eth0 inet dhcp Note the last line is commented out. HTH -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201308251938.55616.rhkra...@gmail.com
with DHCP, forcing a DNS address at your local computer?
Aside: Most of the clients on my LAN are still at Debian 5.0, as is my main computer, which is where I was having this problem. I don't think the issue is Debian 5.0 specific, but I guess it could be. Background: I recently made some changes to my LAN, including a change from using static IP addresses to having dynamic IP addresses assigned by a DHCP (in the router). I also changed from RCN (cable) to Earthlink (DSL) as my ISP. As you may or may not know, at least in some cases, Earthlink uses the local landline provider (in my case, Verizon) to actually provide the DSL service. One problem: when my router requests an address on Earthlink's network (or is it Verizon's network--I'm not really sure), it gets an IP address and it gets DNS server addresses, but those DNS server addresses are Verizon's and not Earthlinks. I've resolved that problem by learning that I can designate DNS addresses in the router--so I've put in Earthlinks DNS addresses and these are served properly to the clients on the LAN. Leading up to my question: But, before I realized I could set those DNS addresses in the router, I was attempting to override those addresses on the local computers. I did things like: * put the address in /etc/resolv.conf: Doesn't work because it seems resolv.conf is periodically overwritten, I'm guessing when the DHCP lease is renewed. * put the addresses in a line in /etc/network/interfaces, as below, but that didn't do the job: dns-nameservers 207.69.188.185 207.69.188.186 My question: is there a way, in a client computer being given a dynamic IP address from DHCP, to override the DNS addresses provided by the DHCP server? Thanks! Randy Kramer Aside: I am having an intermittent problem with my network--it is possible it is related to the Verizon nameservers. If switching to the Earthlink nameservers doesn't solve the problem I will start another thread explaining the problem (and what I've done so far to attempt to solve it). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201308241449.35872.rhkra...@gmail.com
solved, followup: deb for audacity 2.0 for Debian 5.0? (was Re: Debian 5.0: Capturing audio from a web page?)
(Top posting this general reply which is pretty much a thank you--a few responses to specific suggestions are interspersed below.) Thanks to all who replied! I've now found audacity and figured out how to use it (some problems learning because the manual is for version 2.0, and the latest version I could find for Debian 5.0 is version 1.3.5 beta--some differences in terminology and screen layout). For now, audacity 1.3.5 is doing the job. For some future things I want to do (capturing some tracks from vinyl), audacity 2.0 has some additional features which may be useful (e.g., normalizing tracks individually instead of in common, the latter potentially inadvertently changing the balance between tracks). If anybody knows of a place to apt-get audacity 2.0 for Debian 5.0, that would be a help! On Monday 25 June 2012 08:11:10 am Darac Marjal wrote: On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 01:28:37PM -0400, Randy Kramer wrote: I want to capture some audio from a web page. I think I would start by looking at how the web page is playing the audio. If it's a simple background audio file (e.g. an embed or object tag), then you should be able to simply fetch the file yourself. If, however, the audio is being streamed by a flash/java/silverlight/etc player, then you will need to look deeper. AFAICT, the audio was being streamed. (The particular web pages were available only last week and are now gone.) Even answering (or telling me how to answer) some simple questions, like: * is my system using aRts or ALSA? Conceivably, it could be using both. ALSA is the set of sound drivers that the kernel uses to talk to your sound card; aRts, esd and nowadays pulse are all audio managers that sit on top of OSS or ALSA. You can probably see what sound systems you have by playing a wav file through play (OSS), aplay (ALSA), artsplay (aRts), esdplay (ESounD) and paplay (Pulse). If any commands don't exist, or don't play the wav, then you're not using that system. ... I would suggest using OSS (play, record etc). IIRC, Debian 5.0 would have been around the time that ALSA was supplanting OSS, so either you're still using OSS or you'll have ALSA with OSS compatibility enabled. Per your suggestion, I tried those, and only play and aplay work, so I'm guessing that you're right, I have ALSA with OSS compatibility enabled. Thanks again to all! Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201206261008.00305.rhkra...@gmail.com
Debian 5.0: Capturing audio from a web page?
I'm (still) using Debian 5.0 (Lenny, iirc). I want to capture some audio from a web page. Is there an application typically installed in Debian 5.0 that will help me do that. (krec does not seem to work--maybe Debian is using ALSA rather than aRts?) OTOH, I started to try to use ffmpeg, but the instructions I was following say I need a version of ffmpeg compiled with ALSA support, and the version of ffmpeg that is installed does not have ALSA support. Can somebody point me in the right (simple) direction? Even answering (or telling me how to answer) some simple questions, like: * is my system using aRts or ALSA? * is my system using gstreamer or pulseaudio? * is there a precompiled (binary) version of ffmpeg for Debian 5.0 with ALSA support compiled in? * ??? Thanks! Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201206241328.37979.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Understanding the -depth option of find?
On Thursday 08 March 2012 12:06:54 pm Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 07 Mar 2012 13:37:12 -0500, Randy Kramer wrote: I guess that implies I'd better do something about the permissions on that read-only subdirectory before the next (and each) time I run that find...cpio command. Nothing you should care about when using the mentioned parameter (-depth). Ok, thanks for the followup. Anyway, I make the backup for my /home directory with plain tar. What are the benefits/drawbacks of using cpio instead? I remember an ancient discussion about this and IIRC, cpio could perform crc checksums but it also had its cons. I don't know about any benefits to cpio--I've just been exploring / thinking about modifying my backup procedures. Probably the biggest reason I dug into that find ... cpio command was because find has always been sort of my nemesis--I've always found it aggravating to use (compared to ms-dos equivalents), and I prefer to use locate whenever possible. Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201203081438.06436.rhkra...@gmail.com
Understanding the -depth option of find?
In looking at ways of backing up files and directories, I've found (among lots of other things), the suggestion to use cpio, often in a manner like: % find . -print -depth | cpio -ov tree.cpio In looking at that, I wondered what the -depth parameter does--at first I worried that it might limit the depth of recursion that would occur, but it does not. I found an answer of sorts from info find (quoted below), but I don't really understand how printing the directory entries in a directory before the directory name itself limits the effects of restrictive directory permissions. I did some googling of that sentence, but all I've found so far are links to info find. Can someone explain, provide some hints, or provide a link to an explanation? quote from info find The `-depth' option forces `find' to print of the entries in a directory before printing the directory itself. This limits the effects of restrictive directory permissions by printing the directory entries in a directory before the directory name itself. /quote from info find Thanks! Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201203070839.05252.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Understanding the -depth option of find?
Camaleón, Thanks! One followup below... On Wednesday 07 March 2012 12:51:48 pm Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 07 Mar 2012 08:39:05 -0500, Randy Kramer wrote: % find . -print -depth | cpio -ov tree.cpio However, if you remember to use -depth, find will instead start its search at the lowest level, meaning it will list the contents of directories before it lists the directories themselves. This means that the files will already have been replicated by cpio before it sets the read-only permissions on the parent directory. I guess that implies I'd better do something about the permissions on that read-only subdirectory before the next (and each) time I run that find...cpio command. Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201203071337.12680.rhkra...@gmail.com
OT: English (was: Re: rsync)
On Sunday 04 March 2012 07:11:17 pm Lisi wrote: When I started at Cambridge in 1961 we had a freshers' fair to introduce us to the available societies. I have just Googled to see whether new students still do, and they do. So perhaps the term is being imported from England rather than America. ;-) I would second that--as an American, I've always used Freshman as opposed to fresher. Maybe fresher is starting to be used in America, but I haven't noticed it (but I'm not on college campuses very often any more). Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201203050933.27014.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: OT: Copying a URL from a text browser (was: Re: text browsers)
Chris, Thanks very much! Another helpful idea. One problem is noted below... On Sunday 04 March 2012 05:45:22 am Chris Bannister wrote: Start lynx, press 'o' The options menu will appear. Press the 'down arrow' until you get to the 'User mode' option just under 'General Preferences'. (The novice option is probably displayed.) Press the 'Return key' and select the 'Advanced' option using the 'down arrow' key. Press 'Return' (Advanced should be displayed, instead of novice.) Now press the 'up arrow' until you get to the 'Save options to disk' check box. Press 'Return' (An 'X' will appear) then press the 'up arrow' until 'Accept Changes' is highlighted. Press 'Return'. You should now see the URL for a link displayed along the bottom of the screen. The only problem is the aggravating yahoo URLs that are very long--I just checked one that is 537 characters long. So, far, with middle mouse button copying, I am not able to copy that from the one line display at the bottom of the screen. (I suspect it can't be done.) Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201203040751.17399.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: rsync
On Sunday 04 March 2012 06:53:37 am Chris Bannister wrote: Thank you (I read The Grammar of English Grammars by Goold Brown. finished 35 of 11294 in one month. Hope can finish one day). Just be aware, the Americans have their own version of English. I would have said just the opposite--the English have their own version of English. ;-) Oh, but I guess they did get there first. ;-) And then I see the .nz on your address, I know the Australians have their own version of English, I'll bet the New Zealanders do, also. The Grammar of English Grammars is the wrong book to be reading, i.e., there is no such word as Grammars Then what is the plural of grammar? There certainly seems to be a need / use for the plural--I've used grammars since around 1968 (and maybe earlier) when we talked about grammars for computer languages in class (as in context free grammars). I tried looking at Merriam Webster, and didn't see grammars (nor a plural) specifically listed--I don't know if that means there is no plural or that, since nothing different is specified, the standard addition of s does the job? (Note, I can see only the abridged version of the Merriam Webster dictionary.) Not that I consider Wikipedia (the encyclopedia) an authority on language usage, but they use grammars in their article on grammar. Wiktionary lists grammars: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/grammars Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201203040819.40388.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: OT: Copying a URL from a text browser (was: Re: text browsers)
On Sunday 04 March 2012 10:31:41 am Lisi wrote: On Sunday 04 March 2012 12:51:17 Randy Kramer wrote: The only problem is the aggravating yahoo URLs that are very long--I just checked one that is 537 characters long. So, far, with middle mouse button copying, I am not able to copy that from the one line display at the bottom of the screen. (I suspect it can't be done.) I find that I can do it by just continuing to run the mouse over the link with the left button depressed, until it comes to a halt against the barrier of the end of the URL. Thanks, but I can't seem to get that to work. And, apparently I mispoke / mistyped--I've apparently been using the left mouse button to attempt to copy the URL at the bottom of the screen all along, not the middle mouse button. Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201203041329.50926.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] sorry, bad url reference
On Sunday 04 March 2012 11:40:56 am Chris Bannister wrote: On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 04:30:13AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: [1] http://thescreamonline.com/essays/essays08-01/basically.html That URL produces 406 Not Acceptable. Not sure why I included that link without checking it first. :( Interesting discussion in this and other posts (including from Lisi). I guess I'll try to duck out of this discussion with as much dignity as I may have left. ;-) I do note: * that URL (the one to the basically article) works for me * I find it unfortunate that the writer of that article is apparently unaware of the $1M trust fund that Bill Gates started with (from his grandfather) Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201203041336.24905.rhkra...@gmail.com
OT: Copying a URL from a text browser (was: Re: text browsers)
Hijacking this thread thinking I might have a good audience for my question: Is there a text based browser that makes it easy to copy a URL (with, e.g., the middle mouse button) to paste it in another (graphical) browser? I have lynx installed on my machine, and tried a quick look at it, but is not immediately obvious how to get the URL for a link. Maybe it can be done readily in lynx and I just haven't spotted how to do it? Background: Because some pages (for example, the yahoo home page (yahoo.com) make both Iceweasel and konqueror use a very high percentage of the CPU, I thought I might try to load pages like that in a text browser, then copy the URLs of any links that I want to follow into Iceweasel to view them with pictures and such. Thanks! Randy Kramer On Wednesday 29 February 2012 12:17:44 pm Julien Claassen wrote: I have tried lynx, links, links2, elinks and w3m. I work with those exclusively. I still mostly stick by lynx, but that is just laziness, since it really doesn't do a few things. I have found, that from the above collection elinks is the best. It can be customised to meet almost all your needs. I don't get it to play youtube-videos (as audio) directly yet and I suppose, that might be out of the question. These browsers are all rather comfortable, once you get to know them and they all have a lot of similarities, which is good, as consistency always is. I have only heard about edbrowse, but I think it is really the best solution, if you think, you might encounter a lot of NECESSARY javascript. Necessary opposd to beautifying or slightly helpful javascript. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201203031656.07730.rhkra...@gmail.com
Solved: Re: OT: Copying a URL from a text browser (was: Re: text browsers)
Jasper, Excellent--exactly what I needed! Thank you very much! Randy Kramer On Saturday 03 March 2012 05:31:38 pm Jasper Noë wrote: In lynx you can make bookmarks with the 'a' button. Combine that with a bookmark in your graphical browser to ~/lynx_bookmarks.html That is all. --Jasper. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201203031859.14853.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: OT: Copying a URL from a text browser (was: Re: text browsers)
Mike, Another excellent approach--thanks! Unfortunately, I've now realized that lynx doesn't display some of the links that I'm interested in--I think because they may be generated by javascript (or java), so I now need to look for a text browser that runs those. I understand edbrowse might be able to do that, so I'll look into that. Randy Kramer On Saturday 03 March 2012 07:09:56 pm you wrote: On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Randy Kramer rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe it can be done readily in lynx and I just haven't spotted how to do it? I have ~/.lynx/external to which I just added this line: EXTERNAL:http:echo %s | xsel -i:TRUE Then I can navigate to a link and hit the `.' key. If there are more than one commands registered for a particular protocol (http in this case, which covers https), lynx will pop up a selection menu, otherwise it'll just run it. Though, in this case you could just as easily register something like: EXTERNAL:http:firefox -new-tab %s:TRUE Actually, looks like out of the box, lynx comes configured for running x-www-browser, so whatever you have for your default browser should kick in (but may not be what you want for new-tab, new-window, profile, etc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201203032033.07541.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: New computer planned
Sian (and all), Congratulations on the work you've done with Algol, Literate Programming, and such! Those are all interests of mine, as well, (Well, from Algol, I eventually moved on to Pascal, and never really grokked C/C++, although I'm still making sporadic efforts to learn enough C++ to write a lexer for the TWiki markup language for the Scintilla family of editors.) I'd be interested in seeing what you've done with Literate Programming--part of what I'm doing with TWiki markup and a lexer for Scintilla has literate programming as one of its goals. I tried (briefly) looking at your web site for something about your literate progamming system, but did not notice anything. Randy Kramer PS: I've cc'd you because the list is so busy--if you respond to me and want me to see it, I'd request you do the same--I don't always read (or even skim) the list--usually only after I've asked a question and am watching for an answer. On Tuesday 21 February 2012 05:58:03 pm Sian Mountbatten wrote: On the software development front, I use the programming language Algol 68, which is a high-level language. C is a medium-level language. I have spent years in porting an old compiler to Linux, providing a decent run-time system and even writing a 600-page book to teach the language from scratch. I have developed my own Literate Programming System which I shall be completing during the coming months. I have written an Algol 68 binding to the Xforms library so that it is possible to write GUI programs without any bother. And, more recently, I now have a web-site with more than 150 pages for the book, as well as a manual for the software development system I use. The site is in my signature. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201202220824.14609.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: New computer planned
On Monday 20 February 2012 10:17:46 am Allan Wind wrote: You did not mention monitors but high definition has brought the larger ones way down in price. 30 monitors (2560x1600) are still in a different price league but to me it is worth it. If you are buying a 30 consider one with Display Ports instead of DVI. Lenovo's docking station for the W520, for instance, can only do the 30 at full resolution via Display Port (this was not an issue with earlier versions). The are DVI to Display Port converters but the ones I have are not 100% stable (I probably power cycle it a couple of times per month). Or, consider two smaller monitors and use nVidia's TwinView (their proprietary driver)--I haven't tried the open source driver yet. Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201202211048.4.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Re: (Fairly) new very long URLs on news.yahoo?
Camaleón, Thanks! I've written to yahoo--if I get a response I'll summarize it here. Randy Kramer On Sunday 12 February 2012 05:02:07 am Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:52:47 -0500, Randy Kramer wrote: This is OT. I tried posting it on d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org but didn't get much response, so I thought I'd try here (especially because I did get some good help on the other question I asked recently, about invisible cache files on /tmp from Flash). Maybe because the Yahoo issue is way off-topic even for a chit-chat mailing list ;-) A number of questions: Has anyone else noticed the very long URLs that are used (sometimes) on news.yahoo.com? (...) Yes, and Google is also doing something similar. Browsing the web is getting really annoying. My interests include the following: * finding a good address to write to yahoo and complain http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/news/forms_index.html * finding a way to consistently click on a link and get the page to come up with the shorter link * and thus, being able to CP the link to my blog without subsequent editing * maybe finding a way to modify klipper to automatically truncate such links before the first ; That's up to Yahoo! not us (users). What you can do is finding the short like by searching for the news header in Google. For instance, this is for the given sample: - Header: Things to Watch For at CPAC - Google search: http://www.google.es/search?q=Things+to+Watch+For+at+CPACie=utf-8oe=utf-8 aq=trls=org.mozilla:es-ES:officialclient=firefox-a - Which points to: http://news.yahoo.com/things-watch-cpac-09457.html Obviously, I could use a service like tinyurl to create a new smaller url, but that is not an acceptable solution to me for a few reasons. You can ask Yahoo! if they provide a permalink or something like that, at least for their news pages. They can even have a policy for external linking or specific tools for webmasters/bloggers to automate the job. (Among them, the url loses any meaning embedded in the original url, and now I have to worry about tinyurl going defunct, at which point the smaller urls would not work and have no clue to find the original URL. (...) I neither like URL shortening services. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201202122043.04688.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: GNU/Debian Linux vs. facebook, Twitter and other proprietary social media
I haven't read this entire thread, so I'm jumping into the middle. John Hasler gave you excellent advice when he suggested creating your own web site (or a web site on some other social media type network) that has less aggressive privacy policies. Then in response to your concern: But this data will invariably be intertwined with personal information. Being a mom and pop shop there's bound to be stuff we want to put up but I don't want facebook to own. On facebook, create an account just for the business (separate from a personal account that you might also have). On that business account, don't put any information that you consider proprietary just advertise (in the best way you can) the other site where they can find the information that you are (apparently) worried about losing control of. Randy Kramer On Thursday 09 February 2012 08:42:23 pm Nick Lidakis wrote: On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 09:56:10AM +, Jon Dowland wrote: On 05/02/12 00:09, Nick Lidakis wrote: But using this facebook app I would still need to create a facebook account, yes? Facebook's privacy concerns only apply to whatever data you give them. Set up an account and only supply business-data: promotions etc., stuff for which exposure is a *good* thing rather than bad. But this data will invariably be intertwined with personal information. Being a mom and pop shop there's bound to be stuff we want to put up but I don't want facebook to own. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201202110907.18305.rhkra...@gmail.com
Invisible files on /tmp from Flash or Iceweasel?
I haven't done much googling on this, I have tried to check some of my old notes--maybe I'm a little burned out on google, so I'm just going to ask this here--pointers to good google search terms are welcome, I'm just not sure I'll find any (where good means terms that give me an answer in the first 10 to 50 hits ;-) background In the (older) version of Flash that I used with Iceweasel, the Flash cache seemed to be on /tmp, and I could see files on /tmp with names like Flash. I upgraded to a newer version sometime in the last year (because some youtube videos, iirc, would not work with the older version). With that newer version, the named Flash cache files are in my home directory, within the Iceweasel cache--in my case, in directory /home/rhk/.mozilla/firefox/pij0mitp.default/Cache with totally meaningless names like B84CDB39d01. (But that's alright--not the problem / question I'm writing about.) /background leading up to the questions The problem I have is that /tmp is still filling up with something, and if /tmp gets 100% full (when I have a lot of videos opened (obviously not playing--just sitting there and loading so that I can view them when I switch to the appropriate tab), the video I'm viewing freezes. But, when I go to look for files on /tmp, I can't find any that are related to Flash or Iceweasel. My guess is that somehow Flash or Iceweasel are doing something like using an inode to create and use a cache file, but not giving it a name, thus I am not able to find such files with the usual tools like ls. leading up to the questions So, my questions: * is that possible (that Flash or Iceweasel are using unnamed inodes to create invisible files on /tmp) * if so, are there some tools I can use to find those files and delete them to provide more space on /tmp (to free up the frozen videos) * if not, can someone suggest (or confirm) what is happening on /tmp. Additional clues / confirmation of my problem: * After doing a df and finding /tmp at 100% full, I then do things like ls -alR /tmp/* (or du -a /tmp) and look at the size of the files there--I can see that the named files are nowhere near big enough to fill up /tmp. (For example, with du I see 318 /tmp meaning that the files that du can find total 318 blocks or kilobytes. My /tmp is 459143 blocks (according to df). * If I see df showing /tmp at 100%, I can quit Iceweasel, and the usage on /tmp drops down to 1% (to match the 318 kilobytes I mention above). Thanks! Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201202110933.50170.rhkra...@gmail.com
Resolved as far as possible, I think: was: Re: Invisible files on /tmp from Flash or Iceweasel?
Thanks to all who responded, including a few who responded offlist. I haven't really resolved the problem, but I have learned a few things that I'll try to summarize in this. Well, actually, Sven has done a pretty good job--I might add a few comments. On Saturday 11 February 2012 11:28:21 am Sven Joachim wrote: On 2012-02-11 15:33 +0100, Randy Kramer wrote: So, my questions: * is that possible (that Flash or Iceweasel are using unnamed inodes to create invisible files on /tmp) Yes. Well, the file needs to be given a name initially, but the name can be removed by calling unlink(2) after it has been opened. I'm now sure that is what is happening--Flash is creating a cached file (associated with the URL of a video) on /tmp, and then immediately unlinking the file. I assume it is sort of a piracy prevention measure, but then I don't understand why they put another copy of the cached file in the iceweasel / firefox cache on ~. But, who am I to guess why they did that, or maybe that is something that iceweasel does and Flash can't prevent (easily)? * if so, are there some tools I can use to find those files Yes, lsof is helpful. lsof sounded like a good idea, but doesn't actually find the files. I guess it would find the files before the unlink occurred. and delete them to provide more space on /tmp (to free up the frozen videos) No, as long the browser keeps the file open, it is not possible to free the space occupied by it. Restart Iceweasel to achieve that. Yup, there seem to be only two ways to free up that space on /tmp: close the tab displaying the video (with or without viewing it to the end), or close iceweasel. For now, what I'm doing if I plan to open a lot of tabs with videos is to run df /tmp regularly, and, if I approach 100% usage, I'll take steps to close some tabs. One of the off list responses to my question referred me to: http://www.linuxondesktop.in/2011/03/how-to-download-flash-files-no-flash.html which touches on the subject and includes a bash script named findflash. That didn't work directly, but after deconstructing it to understand how it should work (and why it didn't), I used some of the things I learned from it to dig deeper into the problem. That is what has pretty much convinced me that I'm not going to find an easy solution, although I might explore some links that talk about undeleting files, because the problem sort of comes down to that--I'm guessing that if I learned the right things about undeleting files, I might also learn how to put a name on an unlinked file that hasn't yet been deleted (because the tab containing the video is still open), and then using that name really delete--oops, wait, that won't work either, because the open tab will maintain a link to that file and presumably prevent me from deleting it. (Sorry, that's a pretty convoluted and not easy to understand paragraph. I should rewrite it, but not today.) So, I'll probably just stick with monitoring the space free / used on /tmp, and close tabs when necessary to avoid 100% usage. Thanks! Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201202111608.54129.rhkra...@gmail.com
(Fairly) new very long URLs on news.yahoo?
This is OT. I tried posting it on d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org but didn't get much response, so I thought I'd try here (especially because I did get some good help on the other question I asked recently, about invisible cache files on /tmp from Flash). A number of questions: Has anyone else noticed the very long URLs that are used (sometimes) on news.yahoo.com? They are something like this (I've inserted \ to break the line into smaller pieces): http://news.yahoo.com/things-watch-cpac-09457.html;_ylt=Ao.ld\ Dd3JlqitJQDhqeoTg.s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNsNDVmbnNjBG1pdANUb3BTd\ G9yeSBGUARwa2cDMTdlYWJhN2UtYmUxZi0zOThmLWFhZWUtNzM3NzM1\ MDFmNWQ2BHBvcwMxBHNlYwN0b3Bfc3RvcnkEdmVyAzAwOWM3ODBhLT\ UzNDEtMTFlMS05NTA5LTMzOWVjZTFhZmEyNg--;_ylg=X3oDMTFvdnRqYzJ\ oBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBH\ B0A3NlY3Rpb25zBHRlc3QD;_ylv=3 It seems that a (truncated) link like: http://news.yahoo.com/things-watch-cpac-09457.html ... works perfectly fine to reference the story. Depending on circumstances which I haven't figured out yet, sometimes when I click on a link, the target page comes up with just the shorter link, sometimes it comes up with the longer link (most often with the longer link). I suspect that the longer link may have some sort of personally identifiable information encoded in it, because in experiments where I've tried logging in to yahoo with two different IDs, that long string of characters differs. I save a lot of links to my personal / private blog. (Some parts are public, and I may make more public.) My interests include the following: * finding a good address to write to yahoo and complain * finding a way to consistently click on a link and get the page to come up with the shorter link * and thus, being able to CP the link to my blog without subsequent editing * maybe finding a way to modify klipper to automatically truncate such links before the first ; Obviously, I could use a service like tinyurl to create a new smaller url, but that is not an acceptable solution to me for a few reasons. (Among them, the url loses any meaning embedded in the original url, and now I have to worry about tinyurl going defunct, at which point the smaller urls would not work and have no clue to find the original URL. (Yes, other information in my blog usually includes the title of the page and often quoted text, but, the tinyurl solution is just not what I'm looking for.) So, any feedback is welcome! Randy Kramer PS: For some time, these long URLs have been limited to news.yahoo.com. Now I'm starting to see them in shine.yahoo.com. The last thing I want to see happen is to have them spread. PPS: I guess I've noticed these long URLs on news.yahoo for the last 3 to 6 months. (That's just a guess.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201202111652.48166.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Resolved as far as possible, I think: was: Re: Invisible files on /tmp from Flash or Iceweasel?
Christofer, Thanks, that is helpful, I can now find the Flash files with your command and a little grepping: lsof +aL1 /tmp | grep Flash But, I guess I still cannot delete that file as long as that tab in Iceweasel (the one to view that video) is open... But, thanks, I've learned a little more! Randy Kramer On Saturday 11 February 2012 04:49:19 pm Christofer C. Bell wrote: On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Randy Kramer rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, lsof is helpful. lsof sounded like a good idea, but doesn't actually find the files. I guess it would find the files before the unlink occurred. From lsof(1): +|-L [l] This option enables (`+') or disables (`-') the listing of file link counts, where they are available - e.g., they aren't available for sockets, or most FIFOs and pipes. When +L is specified without a following number, all link counts will be listed. When -L is specified (the default), no link counts will be listed. When +L is followed by a number, only files having a link count less than that number will be listed. (No num‐ ber may follow -L.) A specification of the form ``+L1'' will select open files that have been unlinked. A specification of the form ``+aL1 file_system'' will select unlinked open files on the specified file system. I think you're looking for this: $ lsof +aL1 /tmp An example from my system: cbell@circe:~$ lsof +aL1 | grep /var chrome32307 cbell 94u REG 253,0 512 0 61784919 /var/tmp/etilqs_S3SfsmS8MhVXOxc (deleted) chrome32307 cbell 95u REG 253,0 2056 0 61784953 /var/tmp/etilqs_3mghDvsIarM5CDM (deleted) chrome32307 cbell 96u REG 253,0 2048 0 61785079 /var/tmp/etilqs_B3yyRDGWM9OrqCt (deleted) chrome32307 cbell 98u REG 253,0 512 0 61785232 /var/tmp/etilqs_70rA3oEm7pTupPA (deleted) chrome32307 cbell 99u REG 253,0 2056 0 61785246 /var/tmp/etilqs_YCBsPHNcby6Xhrw (deleted) chrome32307 cbell 100u REG 253,0 2048 0 61785351 /var/tmp/etilqs_miiHl4skEWZ3NIZ (deleted) chrome32307 cbell 101u REG 253,016400 0 61785368 /var/tmp/etilqs_cWErUVIFFLoaNcb (deleted) chrome32307 cbell 109u REG 253,032800 0 61785419 /var/tmp/etilqs_3HTP6o7AXvsK61A (deleted) chrome32307 cbell 135u REG 253,0 4104 0 61785411 /var/tmp/etilqs_DRLNm3cGChRhGaN (deleted) chrome32307 cbell 138u REG 253,0 4104 0 61785573 /var/tmp/etilqs_TRcDQDpTNFe7QRn (deleted) chrome32307 cbell 197u REG 253,0 3084 0 61785424 /var/tmp/etilqs_DhJcahJFhw2BrgW (deleted) chrome32307 cbell 205u REG 253,0 4104 0 61785490 /var/tmp/etilqs_CBWOgcUjzQyQw7d (deleted) cbell@circe:~$ I use grep to highlight /var as I don't use a separate /var partition. -- Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201202111707.35178.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Re: unsuscribe
On Friday 02 September 2011 07:27:09 am Camaleón wrote: Let's take Lisi's posting messages as sample: - They're non-GPG/PGP signed (or at least I can't see it from headers :-?) - They're text based - They have no e-mail footer Having a mbox archive would help to diagnose such cases :-) The copy I have of Lisi's post: Re: Dual Boot. From: Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com (resent from debian-user@lists.debian.org) To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Fri Sep 2 03:52:40 2011 Has the email footer for unsubscribing... Or do you mean something else by posting messages? Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201109021959.14354.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Some coaching on apt-get and downgrading Package gtk+-2.0
Eduardo, Thanks, that worked perfectly, but, how did you know that, especially so quickly? Randy Kramer On Thursday 04 August 2011 08:52:24 am Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: On Qui, 04 Ago 2011, Randy Kramer wrote: Yesterday, my build started failing with messages like this: Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'gtk+-2.0' found make: Nothing to be done for `all'. The only thing you need is the gtk+2 2.0 devel package: libgtk2.0-dev apt-file search gtk+-2.0.pc indicates to which package that file belongs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201108041533.50002.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Some coaching on apt-get and downgrading Package gtk+-2.0
On Thursday 04 August 2011 03:52:49 pm Walter Hurry wrote: On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 19:46:44 +, Walter Hurry wrote: Short answer: Because when you are running ./configure and see a message saying Package xyz was not found in the pkg-config search path, it usually means (in Debian) that you need to install xyz*-dev* (asterisks are for emphasis). xyz alone is not enough for the build. To amplify: Read the error message and (as Eduardo says) do an apt-file search for the missing *file*. Walter, Thanks very much! I learned a few things today (I hope ;-). Among others, I didn't know that apt-file existed--I've now installed it. Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201108041744.17692.rhkra...@gmail.com
Some coaching on apt-get and downgrading Package gtk+-2.0
To get to the point quicker, skip over the Background: down to My question / problem: Background: I'm not really a C or C++ programmer, but I've been working on a program (well, an addition to an existing program--a lexer for Scintilla for the Foswiki/ TWiki markup language) and limping along well enough but very slowly. Yesterday, my build started failing with messages like this: Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'gtk+-2.0' found make: Nothing to be done for `all'. It took me a while to realize what must have happened, and then I think I confirmed it. Earlier that day, I had installed a new version of Adobe/Shockwave flash by using: aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree (Aside: It took me a while to get that to work, I finally had to find the new libflashplayer.so (in a /root directory) and copy it to /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so, and then restart iceweasel. (I'm not sure why it got installed to /root--probably some mistake I made--maybe having Iceweasel running while I tried the aptitude install, or maybe it was at some other point I made a mistake.) Anyway, I then remembered that during the aptitude install of flashplugin-nonfree, it deleted and replaced a lot of packages, among them: Preparing to replace libgtk2.0-0 2.12.12-1~lenny1 (using .../libgtk2.0-0_2.18.6-1~bpo50+1_i386.deb) ... I think that is the root of my problem, and, iirc, the version of Scintilla that I'm currently developing in cannot use gtk2.0-0_2.18. There is work going on to change that, but I'd like to finish my development work on the older version of Scintilla before contending with an upgrade. My question / problem: So, I think what I have to do is downgrade /libgtk2.0-0_2.18.6-1~bpo50+1_i386.deb back to libgtk2.0-0 2.12.12-1~lenny. I'll be reading man pages and googling, but I'd like to do that with a minimum of learning (i.e., with a minimum of mistakes), so I'm seeking advice. I guess there is a slight chance that all I have to do is, as one of the make messages says: Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable I.e., find the PKG_CONFIG_PATH and point it to the directory containing the new /libgtk2.0-0_2.18.6-1~bpo50+1_i386.deb instead of the old libgtk2.0-0 2.12.12-1~lenny (but, I would have thought they'd both be on the same path). Let me look into that a little bit before sending this email... Ok, I'm back. I hoped/thought that aptitude (or apt-get) had something a what provides command which would tell me what package I need to install for `gtk+-2.0.pc', but maybe I'm remembering that from my Mandriva days. I tried aptitude install gtk+-2.0.pc but that tells me: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched gtk+-2.0.pc So, I'll send this and keep digging. Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201108040847.43025.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Transfering large files (was: Unison hangs on copy)
On Tuesday 26 July 2011 09:28:49 am Victor Munoz wrote: Fine, thanks for the speculation and the interest. You're welcome, and good luck! Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201107271853.41032.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Transfering large files (was: Unison hangs on copy)
I've reordered some of your comments for my convenience in responding. On Tuesday 26 July 2011 12:32:18 am Victor Munoz wrote: Thought you guys who helped me with my original question would like to know how this evolved. Thank you! So I tried rsyncinc another file, 23 M in size (with --progress option), and surprise, it stops when 11% transfer is reached. Tried with scp, and same magic number: 11% and it stops. I'm somewhat surprised, because when I was thinking of large files, I was thinking of CD image size files. (I used to transfer these over a 33 kbps modem, requiring about 65 hours per image, spread out over (typically) 5 nights. Oh, the good old days ;-) I don't really have any good thoughts to offer. I'd be looking to make sure that no temporary storage areas have been filled (presumably /tmp on either machine), in fact, I'd probably do a df for all partitions on both machines and make sure all of them have plenty of space (a nice big multiple of 23 MB--I don't really know how much storage rsync, or scp need, but I'm just grasping at straws looking for possibilities. While rsync may do some thinking (i.e., pause) during a 23 MB file transfer, I don't think scp would, but there still might be something that is timing out. All from me is just random speculation, however. Good luck--I hope someone else will have some better suggestions for you. Randy Kramer So now I think I have a problem with transfering large files. Somehow the upgrade caused this, because almost all previous transfers involved that 20M file, but now I am unable to copy this and other large files between both machines. I'm also losing my connection to the remote machine as I type this mail, so I have some kind of issue with the connection, and I really hope it is the the reason, and not the size of the files itself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201107260725.41630.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Unison hangs on copy
On Saturday 23 July 2011 08:25:10 am Roger Leigh wrote: I use unison several times a day to sync over 100GiB of data. I see it stall quite frequently. I think it's a bug in unison, possibly timing related. I see it only when syncing over the internet on a DSL connection, not over a LAN. Don't know if this helps, but if unison uses rsync (which, iirc, someone mentioned it does), you should be aware that rsync has quite a bit of overhead (in some sense) to determine exactly which pieces of a file are different and then transmits only those. So, again, iirc, it does calculations both at the rsync server and the rsync client to get checksums (not quite the word I'm looking for, but close) of pieces of the file on both ends, then exchanges those checksums to see where differences exist, then exchanges the necessary pieces of the file, and finally reassembles the file. With very large files, it is not surprising to see the link quiet for periods of time while calculations are being done at each end. (I once read the academic thesis that the author of rsync wrote about the rsync algorithm--I don't accurately remember the details, but what I wrote above gives the general idea.) Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201107230921.22704.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Unison hangs on copy
On Saturday 23 July 2011 11:51:26 am Victor Munoz wrote: On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 09:21:22AM -0400, Randy Kramer wrote: With very large files, it is not surprising to see the link quiet for periods of time while calculations are being done at each end. In this case, there are no big files or many files involved, so it doesn't seem to be the problem. Sorry it didn't help. ;-) Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201107231215.48670.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Dual Monitor How To?
On Monday 18 July 2011 02:37:40 pm Alan Chandler wrote: Life gets stranger. A reboot this evening and this problem no longer occurs in dmesg I also eventually get the format of BusID options correct in my Xorg.conf file and now both screens are working again with the nouveau driver alongside the intel one EXCEPT as soon as I get both screens up (as opposed to just the intel one) the icons loose their transparency round the edge in Gnome Panel and Desktop/ Does that mean all is good? I have sort of a piggyback question / subject to bring up. I use two monitors on my system. I tried it probably 5 years or so ago with two separate video cards and ran into a lot of little problem--it worked, but it was aggravating--things happened like when I dragged a window from one screen to the other, sometimes the window got stuck halfway, in any case it was often a very jerky movement. After that, I got an nVidia card with what I think they call TwinView. Basically, it has outputs for two monitors (sometimes two identical output connections, like the D15 connector, but some cards do the same thing with two different connectors). Anyway, at a certain level, to the computer, to a great extent, the two monitors seem like one--a drag from one screen to the other is just done internally on that one video card. Less load on the CPU (or whatever--maybe some DMA?) and just a lot less hassle (for the computer and for me). This even works: * for different size monitors (I run one 22 at 1124x768 and one 17 at 800x600--the two resolutions make the font size almost the same on the two monitors, and the views abut each other--the 800x600 screen is oriented so the top of it matches the top of the 1124x768 screen--and I just don't (normally) put things at the missing bottom 168 pixels of that screen. * things like Xinerama work, so, at some level, even if the CPU doesn't have to handle transfers between the two windows, the CPU knows there are two, and it is in the xorg.conf file (iirc) that I set things so that the small monitor is to the left of the large monitor and such. I don't do gaming, but if I did, I would think this approach would be even better (unless I couldn't get the resolution I needed. I could get higher resolution on these screens with the particular card I'm using, but the 1024x768 seems nice for me (e.g., the font size is what I've been used to for 10-12 years (or longer). Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201107181533.39662.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Does IPv6 preclude use of a NAT gateway?
Thanks, everyone, for the discussion! It looks like there are some possibilities. Thank goodness I don't have to convert today! By the time I do have to convert, maybe I'll know enough. ;-) Randy Kramer On Monday 11 July 2011 07:42:15 pm William Hopkins wrote: There are a few issues here.. first and foremost is your desire to 'hide' your computers. There's no reason for that -- currently some ISPs try to make you pay more to run multiple computers, which is wrong. But in IPv6 this restriction *will not* exist, I assure you. Why else would they assign /64s, /56s or /48s ? Second, no, a firewall won't help. But some clever routing could. You can still create private networks with IPv6 and if you don't allow them to route to the internet, they won't reach the internet. Then if you wanted, you could set up a SOCKS or HTTP proxy and configure your software on the private networks to use it. All the traffic would appear to come from the proxy. It's a lot of work, comparatively. But then again, what you're asking for is a special exception to the way computers are supposed to connect to the internet (in both v4 AND v6.. NAT was a hack). If you elaborate on why you want the hiding feature, perhaps someone can suggest an alternative you haven't considered (: -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201107131704.34334.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Does IPv6 preclude use of a NAT gateway?
Thanks to all who responded! I'll probably respond to several of those posts because I didn't mention the other thing I get from NAT--that is, I need only one address from my ISP, and I'm pretty sure my doesn't know how many computers I have behind my NAT gateway. I guess I'd assume that if someone writes a NAT66, it will give me the same feature, but if that doesn't happen, what are my options? One more comment below: On Sunday 10 July 2011 06:09:23 am Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 17:14:21 -0400, Randy Kramer wrote: I just saw another question about IPv4 and NAT and IPv6, and that prompts this question: When I switch to IPv6, will I lose the ability to keep my computers behind a NAT gateway? Not necessarily. There are some drafts for NAT66 (IPv6 to IPv6 NAT). It's probably not the best thing, but I depend on the NAT gateway for a lot of my security--with IPv6, will I still be able to do that? NAT and security do not match. You better put a good firewall and/or IPS system in between ;-) Hmm, I need to knock on some wood--wait, I can knock on my head--that is about the same ;-) So far, NAT seemingly has provided pretty good security for me. Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201107100711.07047.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Does IPv6 preclude use of a NAT gateway?
Stephan, Thanks for the reply! A followup below: On Saturday 09 July 2011 05:27:37 pm Stephan Seitz wrote: On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 05:14:21PM -0400, Randy Kramer wrote: It's probably not the best thing, but I depend on the NAT gateway for a lot of my security--with IPv6, will I still be able to do that? Then you lose. Until now there is no support for NAT in IPv6. Your only choice is to use private IPv6 addresses and terminate every session at your former NAT gateway with proxies. The other feature I get from my NAT gateway (as I mention in another post) is the ability to run multiple computers on one IP address from my ISP, and without the ISP (easily, at least), knowing how many computers I'm running. Can I get the same ability with the approach you mention? I suspect I could, but I've never really fooled with proxies very much. Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201107100714.59255.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Does IPv6 preclude use of a NAT gateway?
Arno, Thanks for the reply! A followup below: On Saturday 09 July 2011 08:34:43 pm Arno Schuring wrote: Randy Kramer (rhkra...@gmail.com on 2011-07-09 17:14 -0400): I just saw another question about IPv4 and NAT and IPv6, and that prompts this question: When I switch to IPv6, will I lose the ability to keep my computers behind a NAT gateway? Yes, and no. I know of no NAT implementation for IPv6, although I'm fairly certain that ip6tables supports it. What you're looking for is probably a stateful firewall, or do you have a hard requirement that internal addresses are not communicated to the outside? It's probably not the best thing, but I depend on the NAT gateway for a lot of my security--with IPv6, will I still be able to do that? The security of NAT is like a door with only one handle: it is only secure as long as no one on the inside uses the door to get outside. If you really need address obfuscation, then I would suggest to use Application-Layer Gateways, such as http proxy software. Ahh, I should have read your comment more carefully the first time. It sounds like you may be answering the question I've been asking as a followup. But, I might as well ask it explicity: The other feature I get from my NAT gateway (as I mention in other posts) is the ability to run multiple computers on one IP address from my ISP, and without the ISP (easily, at least), knowing how many computers I'm running. Can I get the same ability with the approach you mention? I suspect I could, but I've never really fooled with proxies very much. Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201107100717.25153.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Does IPv6 preclude use of a NAT gateway?
William, Thanks for the reply! A followup below: On Saturday 09 July 2011 10:22:01 pm William Hopkins wrote: On 07/09/11 at 05:14pm, Randy Kramer wrote: I just saw another question about IPv4 and NAT and IPv6, and that prompts this question: When I switch to IPv6, will I lose the ability to keep my computers behind a NAT gateway? I've seen some talk about implementing address translation in IPv6, but haven't seen anything working yet. It's probably not the best thing, but I depend on the NAT gateway for a lot of my security--with IPv6, will I still be able to do that? Everything NAT provides (inaccessibility by default, port/application-based whitelisting, etc.) can be provided by a firewall. The remote side will know your actual IP address, sure, but the attack space is identical. Well, that is the other thing I have today, and would like to keep--that is: The other feature I get from my NAT gateway (as I mention in other posts) is the ability to run multiple computers on one IP address from my ISP, and without the ISP (easily, at least), knowing how many computers I'm running. Can a firewall help me with that? Randy Kramer If you're running a linux-based router for NAT, you can keep doing so and simply convert it to a firewall. Since NAT is provided by IPTables anyway, there is not a large change. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201107100720.10306.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Does IPv6 preclude use of a NAT gateway?
On Sunday 10 July 2011 09:48:46 am Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Sat, 09 Jul 2011, Randy Kramer wrote: When I switch to IPv6, will I lose the ability to keep my computers behind a NAT gateway? Yes, for the address translation. Unless you hack something with mobile-ipv6, or use filtering application level gateways (which are a far superior solution anyway). But you can emulate the no-incoming-connection behaviour of restricted cone NAT and symmetric NAT with these two rules: ip6tables -I FORWARD -i external interface -m conntrack \ --ctstate=NEW,INVALID -j DROP ip6tables -I INPUT -i external interface -m conntrack \ --ctstate=NEW,INVALID -j DROP (the above was not checked for syntax errors) Thanks! Please use a proper firewall, instead. A general blocade on incoming connections is _VERY_ crappy protection. Well, perhaps, but I was going to mention to someone else earlier in the thread--I've been using NAT gateways for something close to 20 years, with very few problems (I can't recall any, atm) with anything evil getting through to me, even in the days when I used Windows. And hence, I never bothered to learn about firewalls or proxies. ;-) I hate learning new stuff ;-) (But, I guess it will have to happen.) Also, ipv6 firewalling is very annoying on the gateway (due to the icmpv6 filtering which must be done right). When possible, get a script that does most of it right for you (or check RFC 4890). Sounds like good advice. Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201107101434.51411.rhkra...@gmail.com
Does IPv6 preclude use of a NAT gateway?
I just saw another question about IPv4 and NAT and IPv6, and that prompts this question: When I switch to IPv6, will I lose the ability to keep my computers behind a NAT gateway? It's probably not the best thing, but I depend on the NAT gateway for a lot of my security--with IPv6, will I still be able to do that? Thanks! Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201107091714.21780.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Debian changes active partition?
On Friday 08 July 2011 10:30:49 am Mahesh T Pai wrote: nikhil jain nik.j...@gmail.com writes: How can I know the /dev/sdaX address of the / partition of debian? You were asked by the installer to to select the partitions and their mountpoint(s) a few minutes before you were asked about installing Grub. Although I assume there is some sort of default there that doesn't require him to enter anything. (?) Anyway, I was just going to point out (somewhat similarly) that at some point--oh, never mind--I always manually partition my disk before doing an install, then I know the /dev/sdaN number, as: * the third letter (a in sda) represents the first disk installed in the system--that is, in old IDE terms, the master disk on the primary disk controller, then b is the second disk on the primary disk controller * the number (N) in sdaN sort of represents the partitions in the order created, except for a few exceptions--if you create an extended partition, then sda4 holds the extended partition. And, if you don't create 3 primary partitions, I think some numbers might get skipped--otherwise, 1 is the first primary partition, 2 is the second, ..., 4 is the extended, 5 is the first (usable) extended partition, ... Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201107081259.51166.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Youtube flash not working
On Wednesday 06 July 2011 09:17:52 pm Frank McCormick wrote: Answering my own question again :) The key is to make HTTP into HTTPS for some bizarre reason that only Google knows. HTTP works for some users..for those who just get the black box, add the 's'... Frank (or anybody), How in the world did you find out that switching to https would solve the problem? Did you see a notice somewhere (presumably not from google), or did you guess based on some clue? If some clue, what was the clue? Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201107070917.15263.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Youtube flash not working
On Thursday 07 July 2011 11:27:38 am Frank McCormick wrote: Could be...and seemingly not a Google problem. I am running Sid, updated. This morning I tried https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ud_wGMXRnQ (the url above) and it loads and plays. When I dropped the 's', I get the black screen of death both on Firefox 5.0 and Google-chrome. Same for me (as I mentioned in an earlier post)--well, except that I am running: Debian 5.0 (the stable release) KDE 3.5 Iceweasel 3.0.6 (and am not running adblock) And, I rarely update the system (software wise) (I know). I occasionally install an additional package. This has only started lately, and the same URL's both work in Ubuntu Maverick and Natty with both Chrome and Firefox 5.0. The problem started for me between 2 and 3 days ago. I don't really remember--at first I figured it was a transient problem that would go away, so I ignored it. I don't use Chrome, and I can't play videos on konqueror, so I only know for sure that I have the problem on Iceweasel. Seems to be it's a Sid problem, unless we hear from other Sid users who don't have the problem. It is apparently not limited to just Sid as I'm running 5.0 Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201107071204.24081.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Youtube flash not working
On Thursday 07 July 2011 01:08:53 pm Frank McCormick wrote: It is beginning to look like an Adobe-flash problem - I run Firefox 5.0 as well as Chrome and both show the problem..(I'm not sure how Chrome handles Flash). Yet, the same Flash on Ubuntu doesn't show the problem. Maybe some weird incompatibility between Firefox/Chrome and Flash but only under certain circumstances? More FWIW: I'm running Iceweasel 3.0.6, and have had (for a long time) both the Shockwave Flash Plugin 10.0 r22 and 9.0 r100. In the interest of science, I disabled the 10.0 plugin. At that point, the youtube video I was trying to see would not work either as http nor as https. So, I re-enabled the 10.0 plugin. Now both http and https work. So, I tried it on a different youtube URL just to be sure--both work. (I did not restart Iceweasel.) Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201107071320.29737.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Youtube flash not working
On Wednesday 06 July 2011 09:17:52 pm Frank McCormick wrote: On 06/07/11 09:05 PM, Frank McCormick wrote: Is anyone else heen experiencing Flash problems on Youtube? It affects both Chrome and Firefox - but they seem to be able to play Flash videos on other sites. Answering my own question again :) The key is to make HTTP into HTTPS for some bizarre reason that only Google knows. HTTP works for some users..for those who just get the black box, add the 's'... Weird! I've had the same problem, and the same workaround works for me (using https instead of http). So, thanks! But, what makes you associate the problem with google? I have the problem with youtube URLs, like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ud_wGMXRnQ Randy Kramer Google...why all the secrecy ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201107062151.36952.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Youtube flash not working
On Wednesday 06 July 2011 09:30:12 pm George Standish wrote: On 06/07/11 09:05 PM, Frank McCormick wrote: Is anyone else hee experiencing Flash problems on Youtube? It affects both Chrome and Firefox - but they seem to be able to play Flash videos on other sites. Are you using Ubuntu by chance? It's a common issue on #ubuntu (freenode) today. Seem disabling adblock has solved the issue for many. As I mentioned, I'm having the same problem, same workaround works. I'm using Debian 5.0, KDE 3.5, Iceweasel, and no adblock. Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201107062156.25324.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Youtube flash not working
On Wednesday 06 July 2011 09:56:43 pm William Hopkins wrote: Google owns and operates youtube.com Thanks--I forgot about that! I thought there could be some other association with google because I often find youtube videos by searching on google. ;-) I'll go back to sleep now. Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201107062218.03771.rhkra...@gmail.com
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Can't restart certain crashed applications without rebooting (in this case Noatun)
Sorry this is so long--maybe I can summarize the problem here, then you can go on and read the background and a more detailed explanation of the problem: Sometimes after a program hangs (in this case noatun), I have trouble restarting it without rebooting my entire system. I do look for all the processes associated with the application (noatun, using ps -Al | grep noatun) and kill them, with either kill -9 or kill -15, but afterwards, when I try to start the application, I just get a spinning hourglass indication in the taskbox (on the taskbar) and a small bouncing blue ball elsewhere on the screen, both of which eventually disappear without having started the application. Hmm, maybe with that you don't even need the Background and Problem listed below. I've tried googling, but don't really have a good clue for what to google. A dead end (I think): Oh, wait, I might have a clue: now I try to start noatun in a terminal (with or without) and I very quickly (sometimes) get exit 255--hmm, on the next try I didn't get the exit 255--what does exit 255 mean?: r...@s17:~$ noatun [2] 11248 [1] Exit 255 noatun r...@s17:~$ Well, I haven't found out what exit 255 means, but I don't think it matters, it doesn't consistently happen, just sometimes. Background: This is surely not a Debian specific question, but I'll try asking here to see if anyone can give me one or more hints--I've tried to do some googling, but really don't have a good clue for what to google. I've had the same thing happen for applications besides Noatun (iirc) (and on Linuxes that I used before installing Debian 5.0), but because the current problem is Noatun, I'll mention Noatun in this example. I was running Noatun and it hung. It may have been something I did--specifically, at the time it hung, I had the playlist up and was unchecking checkboxes on the playlist. In an effort to restart noatun, I looked (using ps -Al | grep noatun) for all noatun processes and killed them with (the first time) kill -9. Later (on subsequent attempts), I tried kill -15. Either one wipes out all the processes with noatun in the name. The problem: Here's the problem: when I go to restart noatun, it won't restart. On the taskbar (is that the right name in KDE) I see a task labeled noatun seemingly attempt to start--I see an hourglass spinning, and elsewhere on my screen I see some sort of small bouncing blue ball, but after 15 seconds or so, both disappear and noatun hasn't restarted. If I go look at the processes using ps -Al | grep noatun, I find something like the following: s17:~# ps -Al | grep noatun 1 S 1000 11039 3039 0 80 0 - 8589 - ?00:00:00 noatun 1 S 1000 11040 11039 0 80 0 - 9670 - ?00:00:00 noatun 1 S 1000 11141 3039 0 80 0 - 8589 - ?00:00:00 noatun 1 Z 1000 11142 11141 0 80 0 - 0 - ?00:00:00 noatun defunct s17:~# If I wipe those out (using kill -9 or kill -15), they disappear, but when I try to noatun again I get the same result. In the past, the only way I found to recover from a situation like this was to reboot. (Potentially just restarting KDE might also solve the problem, but from my point of view, restarting KDE is as drastic a solution as rebooting, so when I think about restarting KDE I just go ahead and do a (cold) reboot with the hope of cleaning up any other possible garbage that might be floating around in my system.) I see that the one process is a Zombie. I've googled on things like zombie, process, noatun, restart, and combinations thereof--even a good suggestion on appropriate search terms might get me started here (of course, a nice clear explanation and course of action would be nicer). Thanks! Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201006210938.55249.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Can't restart certain crashed applications without rebooting (in this case Noatun)
Hmm, as is too often the case, after sending an email seeking, I start to get some other clues--I found a suggestion to restart arts--I tried that, still no luck so I'm still looking for help (but maybe I have some kind of clue now). Randy Kramer On Monday 21 June 2010 09:38:55 am Randy Kramer wrote: Sorry this is so long--maybe I can summarize the problem here, then you can go on and read the background and a more detailed explanation of the problem: Sometimes after a program hangs (in this case noatun), I have trouble restarting it without rebooting my entire system. I do look for all the processes associated with the application (noatun, using ps -Al | grep noatun) and kill them, with either kill -9 or kill -15, but afterwards, when I try to start the application, I just get a spinning hourglass indication in the taskbox (on the taskbar) and a small bouncing blue ball elsewhere on the screen, both of which eventually disappear without having started the application. Hmm, maybe with that you don't even need the Background and Problem listed below. I've tried googling, but don't really have a good clue for what to google. A dead end (I think): Oh, wait, I might have a clue: now I try to start noatun in a terminal (with or without) and I very quickly (sometimes) get exit 255--hmm, on the next try I didn't get the exit 255--what does exit 255 mean?: r...@s17:~$ noatun [2] 11248 [1] Exit 255 noatun r...@s17:~$ Well, I haven't found out what exit 255 means, but I don't think it matters, it doesn't consistently happen, just sometimes. Background: This is surely not a Debian specific question, but I'll try asking here to see if anyone can give me one or more hints--I've tried to do some googling, but really don't have a good clue for what to google. I've had the same thing happen for applications besides Noatun (iirc) (and on Linuxes that I used before installing Debian 5.0), but because the current problem is Noatun, I'll mention Noatun in this example. I was running Noatun and it hung. It may have been something I did--specifically, at the time it hung, I had the playlist up and was unchecking checkboxes on the playlist. In an effort to restart noatun, I looked (using ps -Al | grep noatun) for all noatun processes and killed them with (the first time) kill -9. Later (on subsequent attempts), I tried kill -15. Either one wipes out all the processes with noatun in the name. The problem: Here's the problem: when I go to restart noatun, it won't restart. On the taskbar (is that the right name in KDE) I see a task labeled noatun seemingly attempt to start--I see an hourglass spinning, and elsewhere on my screen I see some sort of small bouncing blue ball, but after 15 seconds or so, both disappear and noatun hasn't restarted. If I go look at the processes using ps -Al | grep noatun, I find something like the following: s17:~# ps -Al | grep noatun 1 S 1000 11039 3039 0 80 0 - 8589 - ?00:00:00 noatun 1 S 1000 11040 11039 0 80 0 - 9670 - ? 00:00:00 noatun 1 S 1000 11141 3039 0 80 0 - 8589 - ? 00:00:00 noatun 1 Z 1000 11142 11141 0 80 0 - 0 - ? 00:00:00 noatun defunct s17:~# If I wipe those out (using kill -9 or kill -15), they disappear, but when I try to noatun again I get the same result. In the past, the only way I found to recover from a situation like this was to reboot. (Potentially just restarting KDE might also solve the problem, but from my point of view, restarting KDE is as drastic a solution as rebooting, so when I think about restarting KDE I just go ahead and do a (cold) reboot with the hope of cleaning up any other possible garbage that might be floating around in my system.) I see that the one process is a Zombie. I've googled on things like zombie, process, noatun, restart, and combinations thereof--even a good suggestion on appropriate search terms might get me started here (of course, a nice clear explanation and course of action would be nicer). Thanks! Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201006210946.28098.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: KVM with non-standard floppy image size
Tong, Do you actually have a floppy drive (and media) that can handle 8 megabytes? That seems rather unlikely, as the standard 3 1/2 (iirc) floppy is 1.44 MB. Randy Kramer On Monday 21 June 2010 11:01:33 am T o n g wrote: Does anyone has positive experience with KVM using non-standard floppy image size? SIZEKB=8192 mkdosfs -I -v -C dosfs-8M.img $SIZEKB sudo mount -o loop dosfs-8M.img /mnt/tmp1/ echo aaa /mnt/tmp1/a kvm -fda MSDOS71B.IMG -fdb dosfs-8M.img I get drive not formatted error when trying to access B: from dos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100627.34034.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: Can't restart certain crashed applications without rebooting (in this case Noatun)
OK, I think I solved my problem. I use a script I wrote some years ago (named kpid) to kill tasks by name (at the time, I didn't know that killall could do that)--anyway, I thought my script was using kill -9, but instead it uses kill -15. So now I: * kill -9 any remaining processes named noatun * kill -9 artsd * then I can restart noatun Sometimes it seems that artsd starts automatically before I start noatun--in the cases when it doesn't, it seems to get started by noatun. Sorry for the noise! Randy Kramer On Monday 21 June 2010 09:46:27 am Randy Kramer wrote: Hmm, as is too often the case, after sending an email seeking, I start to get some other clues--I found a suggestion to restart arts--I tried that, still no luck so I'm still looking for help (but maybe I have some kind of clue now). Randy Kramer On Monday 21 June 2010 09:38:55 am Randy Kramer wrote: Sorry this is so long--maybe I can summarize the problem here, then you can go on and read the background and a more detailed explanation of the problem: Sometimes after a program hangs (in this case noatun), I have trouble restarting it without rebooting my entire system. I do look for all the processes associated with the application (noatun, using ps -Al | grep noatun) and kill them, with either kill -9 or kill -15, but afterwards, when I try to start the application, I just get a spinning hourglass indication in the taskbox (on the taskbar) and a small bouncing blue ball elsewhere on the screen, both of which eventually disappear without having started the application. Hmm, maybe with that you don't even need the Background and Problem listed below. I've tried googling, but don't really have a good clue for what to google. A dead end (I think): Oh, wait, I might have a clue: now I try to start noatun in a terminal (with or without) and I very quickly (sometimes) get exit 255--hmm, on the next try I didn't get the exit 255--what does exit 255 mean?: r...@s17:~$ noatun [2] 11248 [1] Exit 255 noatun r...@s17:~$ Well, I haven't found out what exit 255 means, but I don't think it matters, it doesn't consistently happen, just sometimes. Background: This is surely not a Debian specific question, but I'll try asking here to see if anyone can give me one or more hints--I've tried to do some googling, but really don't have a good clue for what to google. I've had the same thing happen for applications besides Noatun (iirc) (and on Linuxes that I used before installing Debian 5.0), but because the current problem is Noatun, I'll mention Noatun in this example. I was running Noatun and it hung. It may have been something I did--specifically, at the time it hung, I had the playlist up and was unchecking checkboxes on the playlist. In an effort to restart noatun, I looked (using ps -Al | grep noatun) for all noatun processes and killed them with (the first time) kill -9. Later (on subsequent attempts), I tried kill -15. Either one wipes out all the processes with noatun in the name. The problem: Here's the problem: when I go to restart noatun, it won't restart. On the taskbar (is that the right name in KDE) I see a task labeled noatun seemingly attempt to start--I see an hourglass spinning, and elsewhere on my screen I see some sort of small bouncing blue ball, but after 15 seconds or so, both disappear and noatun hasn't restarted. If I go look at the processes using ps -Al | grep noatun, I find something like the following: s17:~# ps -Al | grep noatun 1 S 1000 11039 3039 0 80 0 - 8589 - ?00:00:00 noatun 1 S 1000 11040 11039 0 80 0 - 9670 - ? 00:00:00 noatun 1 S 1000 11141 3039 0 80 0 - 8589 - ? 00:00:00 noatun 1 Z 1000 11142 11141 0 80 0 - 0 - ? 00:00:00 noatun defunct s17:~# If I wipe those out (using kill -9 or kill -15), they disappear, but when I try to noatun again I get the same result. In the past, the only way I found to recover from a situation like this was to reboot. (Potentially just restarting KDE might also solve the problem, but from my point of view, restarting KDE is as drastic a solution as rebooting, so when I think about restarting KDE I just go ahead and do a (cold) reboot with the hope of cleaning up any other possible garbage that might be floating around in my system.) I see that the one process is a Zombie. I've googled on things like zombie, process, noatun, restart, and combinations thereof--even a good suggestion on appropriate search terms might get me started here (of course, a nice clear explanation and course of action would be nicer). Thanks! Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org
Re: kernel-package??
On Friday 01 May 2009 17:52:54 Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, May 01 2009, Randy Patterson wrote: My intention at this point is to make a detailed list of the components on a particular system so I can remove everything that is not needed. These would be older systems that will never be upgraded or need new hardware so the kernel don't need a lot of options concerning hardware. For example, I have used ext3 on the drives and they don't need to access anything else and will remove all support for ext2, ext4, NTFS and everything else. I intend to compile everything into the kernel without using modules. It's my understanding from what I have read that this will result in a leaner and some what faster kernel for that system. Is that a reasonable assumption and approach? This is what I do. I do not use modules or initramfs, and it has cut down my boot time by about 50%, according to bootchard. manoj For my particular use I rarely reboot so boot time is not as important to me as is speeding up processor intensive applications, Have you seen any advantage of a custom kernel along those lines? Randy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: kernel-package??
On Thursday 30 April 2009 14:30:42 Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Thu, Apr 30 2009, thveillon.debian wrote: ers are non-essential. Installing the created .deb will take care of all the linking (/initrd, /vmlinuz, build dir...), boot-loader update (with grub at least), initrd creation/update and such. Actually, with the 12.XX branch, you get to choose what happens when the kernel image is installed, by dropping scripts into /etc/kernel -- by default, no action is taken For example, to create an initramfs, I did: --8---cut here---start-8--- cp /usr/share/kernel-package/examples/etc/kernel/postinst.d/yaird \ /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ cp /usr/share/kernel-package/examples/etc/kernel/postrm.d/yaird \ /etc/kernel/postrm.d/ --8---cut here---end---8--- Or, alternately, you could do: --8---cut here---start-8--- cp /usr/share/kernel-package/examples/etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs \ /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ cp /usr/share/kernel-package/examples/etc/kernel/postrm.d/initramfs \ /etc/kernel/postrm.d/ --8---cut here---end---8--- To run grub, I have in /etc/kernel-img.conf: --8---cut here---start-8--- postinst_hook = update-grub postrm_hook = update-grub --8---cut here---end---8--- But really, you can substitute your own scripts, or decide not to use initrds (which is a sane option if you are building your own kernels and thus might not have any modules at all). manoj My intention at this point is to make a detailed list of the components on a particular system so I can remove everything that is not needed. These would be older systems that will never be upgraded or need new hardware so the kernel don't need a lot of options concerning hardware. For example, I have used ext3 on the drives and they don't need to access anything else and will remove all support for ext2, ext4, NTFS and everything else. I intend to compile everything into the kernel without using modules. It's my understanding from what I have read that this will result in a leaner and some what faster kernel for that system. Is that a reasonable assumption and approach? The whole subject of initrds scripts is something I will need to study up on. But are you saying that if I don't use modules that I don't need to worry about needing these scripts? Thanks, Randy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: kernel-package??
On Friday 01 May 2009 09:34:58 Dave Witbrodt wrote: Faster? I promise that you would not notice the speedup. Conceivably your kernel will boot slightly faster without having to carry out the hardware detection for the 99% of modules that have no relevance for your particular system, but you would have great difficulty measuring the alleged time savings accurately. (There are great opportunities for decreasing the time needed to boot a Debian system, but these have to do with customizing the initialization scripts, not with replacing the kitchen-sink kernel with a custom kernel.) Interesting, I would have thought the difference would have been a little more noticeable. I may have to reconsider. As far as being in a hurry to leave out unnecessary things like ext2, ext4, and NTFS... I would ask you to reconsider. What happens if you meet other Linux users in your area, and they want to give you some files off of their USB flash drive formatted in ext2 or ext4? Or what happens if some Windows user you meet has some files on their external hard drive... formatted in NTFS? Now your really great idea about compiling your own kernel is really going to make you look smart to those folks, right? Your choices at that point will be to recompile your custom kernel, or boot to a Debian kitchen-sink kernel. (Which just raises the question of why you weren't using the Debian kernel in the first place.) A very good point but one I have considered. The systems I have in mind are some that I don't use for anything but grid computing. I run Bionc on projects at the World Community Grid, these systems will just run 24/7 until they break and I will then throw them in the trash. They are older systems not worth my time to fix so your point above although valid in most cases doesn't apply to my very particular goal. None of my daily use systems would be running a custom kernel. I'm not trying to discourage you from building your own kernel. I'm trying to offer information that I think you should consider, and I'm offering the advice that you shouldn't bother building your own kernel unless you have some really good reason. (Really good reasons might include a burning desire to simply know how, or to be able to say you did it, but if one of those is you only reason then I think you will regret it by about halfway through the process.) I understand there is a time investment and learning curve to consider. But if I can get a little extra processor and ram use from a leaner kernel, this is something I may do many more times in the future so it would be worth that investment. But not if the increase in computing power has to be measured in milliseconds per day! The Debian kernel team works really hard to make sure that the kernels work, and they do a good job. In the end, I was able to customize my kernel configuration to the point that I can compile a kernel in about 6 minutes on my desktop machine... which is (at least) 6 minutes longer than it would take me to install a Debian kernel. ;) If I hadn't had problems with ALSA support with this machine when I first put it together, I probably would not have bothered to learn to compile my own kernels. The amount of time in invested in learning how to do it now causes me to want to keep doing it, so I don't have the feeling that I wasted those dozens of hours -- and so I am condemned to the punishment of Sisyphus. So on a dedicated system that is used for nothing but running a processor intensive application 24/7, do you think there would be any real increase in performance from a custom kernel? HTH, Dave W. Thanks for your time and input Dave, Randy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
kernel-package??
I'm looking to start using my own custom kernels for various reasons. At this point I'm just researching the various options or ways in going about this and in the process installed kernel-package. I learned the hard way a couple years ago when I first started using Linux that before diving into documentation I first need to try to determine it's age. So after installing kernel-package the first thing I did was go to the bottom of the man page and looked at the date, May 25, 1999! Now I realize that is not necessarily the date of the last update but this doesn't give me a good feeling about diving into it's details that could be 10 years old. So is it better to just use an upstream source from kernel.org and build that or will that only create more work trying to get that running with a current Debian distro? I'm certainly not looking for a detailed howto on this list, but looking for advise on the road to take to get there. Or at least the road with more pros than cons. Thanks, Randy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: kernel-package??
On Thursday 30 April 2009 09:51:54 Michael Pobega wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 09:24:43AM -0500, Randy Patterson wrote: I'm looking to start using my own custom kernels for various reasons. At this point I'm just researching the various options or ways in going about this and in the process installed kernel-package. I learned the hard way a couple years ago when I first started using Linux that before diving into documentation I first need to try to determine it's age. So after installing kernel-package the first thing I did was go to the bottom of the man page and looked at the date, May 25, 1999! Now I realize that is not necessarily the date of the last update but this doesn't give me a good feeling about diving into it's details that could be 10 years old. So is it better to just use an upstream source from kernel.org and build that or will that only create more work trying to get that running with a current Debian distro? I'm certainly not looking for a detailed howto on this list, but looking for advise on the road to take to get there. Or at least the road with more pros than cons. Thanks, Randy Just fyi, kernel-package isn't a kernel itself; it's the tools used to build a vanilla kernel (like the ones from kernel.org) into a deb file. I guess I assumed that kernel-package was to build the kernel from the source used by the current Debian distro installed. So if that's not the case and I decided to use the latest stable from kernel.org, is it advantageous to use kernel-package or find a good howto and learn to build and install using a more low level approach. I'm mainly looking at just optimizing the config file for a particular systems to building a leaner meaner kernel. I have some older systems that don't do anything but grid computing. I thought if I removed a lot of the stuff that wasn't being used in the kernel I could speed these up a little. Randy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: kernel-package??
On Thursday 30 April 2009 11:09:49 Dave Patterson wrote: * Randy Patterson t...@patterson-pcc.com [2009-04-30 10:28:00 -0500]: I guess I assumed that kernel-package was to build the kernel from the source used by the current Debian distro installed. So if that's not the case and I decided to use the latest stable from kernel.org, is it advantageous to use kernel-package or find a good howto and learn to build and install using a more low level approach. I'm mainly looking at just optimizing the config file for a particular systems to building a leaner meaner kernel. I have some older systems that don't do anything but grid computing. I thought if I removed a lot of the stuff that wasn't being used in the kernel I could speed these up a little. Yup, I do that, and I use kernel-package to do it. It's a very versatile wrapper script that calls the necessary commands to do the actual compiling of the kernel and and then builds a debian package which you can then install with 'dpkg -i'. the configuration of the kernel you do prior to using kernel-package, usually thru an ncurseѕ, qt, or gtk interface. Good tutorial here: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html Dave, with a last name like yours I must assume that this is excellent advice! :-) Thanks for everyone's input. I will now travel down the kernel-package road. Randy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Compiling kernal mailing list
I am looking for another email group that discusses custom compiling the kernel. I am interested in discussions about the pros and cons of setting or removing various options to optimize the kernel for particular systems. That doesn't seem an appropriate topic for this list so I was looking for suggestions. Thanks, Randy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Want to work with a Linux Group
from that at this point in
time--that *might* be a future step in the evolution.
Headings are marked up as follows:
+ Level 1 Heading (regex like \n-{3}\+ .+\n (or ^-{3}\+.+$))
++ Level 2 Heading (regex like \n-{3}\+{2} .+\n (or ^-{3}\+{2}.+$))
...
++ Level 6 Heading (or ^-{3}\+{2}.+$)
The primary fold points are at the record level and at the six heading
levels.
The regexes are included primarily for information, as I don't think
they'd be the thing to use in a lexer written in C++ (even though a
regex library should be available--but I could be wrong (about not
using a regex)).
There is inline markup for things like *bold*, _underline_, -hashout_,
and /italic/ text.
There are numbered and bulleted lists, and these can be at multiple
levels (each deeper level indicated by an additional three spaces of
indent). I'd also like to fold at list items, but that can be an
enhancement (and I need to think about the approach I want to
follow--Scintilla (it is Scintilla by the way that does the lexing--my
understanding is that if a lexer is created for Scintilla, Scite and
any other editor or tool using Scintilla can use that lexer for
highlighting and folding with a minimum of effort--maybe just enabling
that as a language choice).
* first level bullet list item
3 first level numbered list item (item number 3)
* 2nd level bullet list item
7 2nd level numbered list item (item number 7)
...
A link is marked up as follows: [[url][label]], e.g.,
[[http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn][WikiLearn]]
Almost all of that markup gets highlighted in various ways as well--the
inline markup is obvious, headings get various degrees of boldness, and
color to mark them, the link and record separators are the most
complicated markup as they get a combination of markup which, at least
for a link, can vary
Hightlighting for a link:
* the square brackets are always shown in a sort of barely visible
gray--you can seem them, but they are not obtrusive
* if a link has both a URL and a label, the URL is shown in a barely
visible yellow, and the label is shown in the typical blue that many
links on web pages are shown
* if a link as a URL but no label, the URL is shown in that typical
blue
Highlighting for a record separator:
* the From is shown in bold black
* the first instance (next to the From) of the record title is shown
in black (may change in the future to something more obvious)
* everything else, on the remainder of that line and the next two
lines is shown in barely visible yellow.
BTW, the reason for showing some of this stuff in barely visible yellow
or gray is at least partially so that, in editing, I don't accidentally
delete something important (i.e., part of the markup), as I might do if
it were invisible.
Anyway, that gives a reasonable overview of what I'd like to do. If
you're interested in helping, I can point you to links to learn more
about Scintilla and Scite.
I now have to concentrate on my taxes for the next day or so, so I
probably won't respond until Thursday if you have any questions
(although I could probably send you a few links).
If you aren't interested at all, I'll say thank you for inspiring me to
write this email, it gives me (another, perhaps summarized) list of
what I plan to accomplish.
regards,
Randy Kramer
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Re: HOWTO run xorg without hal
On Tuesday 14 April 2009 05:49:48 am Dirk wrote: some true asshole decreased linux' value as an alternative to windows by making hal a dependency(!) of xorg now... Just for clarification, is this in Debian stable or test? Randy Kramer -- I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I created a video instead.--with apologies to Cicero, et.al. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: how can i turn /dev/null into an MTA?
On Tuesday 14 April 2009 09:08:41 am Dirk wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Unix without an MTA??? To me, that's a wonderful idea--in fact, that's the way I ran my Mandriva2006 system for the last 3 years. I just used kmail like a Windows mail client, receiving mail (directly (from my ISP)) using pop3 and sending mail (directly (to my ISP)) using SMTP. I did find a way to put a soft linked file in my local kmail folders so I could get email sent to the administrator--this was something like a hard link to the normal location of root's email spool (maybe /var/mail/root?). Why would somebody need an MTA for a (normal) desktop? Randy Kramer -- I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I created a video instead.--with apologies to Cicero, et.al. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: how can i turn /dev/null into an MTA?
On Tuesday 14 April 2009 10:13:58 am Sven Joachim wrote: On 2009-04-14 15:33 +0200, Randy Kramer wrote: I did find a way to put a soft linked file in my local kmail folders so I could get email sent to the administrator--this was something like a hard link to the normal location of root's email spool (maybe /var/mail/root?). Well, for this to work you need an MTA that does local delivery anyway. Well, there's a possibility I'm mistaken, but I was pretty sure that I didn't have an MTA installed or configured. Maybe my link was to somewhere other than root's email spool--maybe it was to the (an?) incoming mail spool? (Some day, when I have more time and interest, I'll try to reboot that system and double check.) Why would somebody need an MTA for a (normal) desktop? Local delivery of messages from cron jobs is probably the most common case. I would not like to dispense with that. Thanks--even though I did get those, I rarely read them--only when something went wrong and I went looking for the cause. Randy Kramer -- I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I created a video instead.--with apologies to Cicero, et.al. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: how can i turn /dev/null into an MTA?
On Tuesday 14 April 2009 10:48:17 am Stefan Monnier wrote: Why would somebody need an MTA for a (normal) desktop? Why should every user specify an outgoing SMTP server? Why should every MUA implement the functionality of an MTA? I'm still procrastinating on my taxes, so I'll respond ;-) * I'm fairly certain that the functionality of an MTA is significantly more than just receiving mail via POP3 and sending it via SMTP. * I'm also fairly sure that the resources required by an MUA that can receive POP3 and send SMTP are usually less than the resources required for an MTA plus and MUA with similar functionality. (Part of what I'm trying to imply is that I know a mail client like kmail is much bigger than a mail client like mutt, but mutt is not a GUI mail client, kmail, and I suspect that's a bigger factor with respect to the resource requirements than the ability to handle SMTP and POP3 for a single client.) * It's also sort an an historical accident--afaik, Windows (and Dos) email clients (almost??) always could handle POP3 and SMTP without a local MTA. When people (like me) migrated from Windows to Linux, I couldn't understand why I needed an MTA (and I didn't, but it was sure a learning curve until I found that out for sure). Then, the first MTA people thought I should deal with was sendmail, and that was a big pain to learn how to get that to simply interface to my ISP. (In fact, I never did, I switched to Postfix and learned (again with difficulty, but presumably less) how to get it to interface to my ISP. Maybe those problems are gone now, and maybe it was never a problem of the program's capability, but of me learning the program's capability. I've sat in LUG meetings where guys have bragged about reading all the RFCs, and telling the newbies that they had to do the same. (Implying many things.) Anyway, it appears you've struck (or I've uncovered) a nerve, so if you really feel that (hmm, how to fairly paraphrase what I infer from your comment)... MUAs should not include SMTP and POP3 (and maybe IMAP) capabilities, but everyone should install and use an MTA, I think I'll just agree to disagree. regards, Randy Kramer Hmm, did I just feed a troll? -- I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I created a video instead.--with apologies to Cicero, et.al. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: how can i turn /dev/null into an MTA?
On Tuesday 14 April 2009 12:33:48 pm Celejar wrote: Randy Kramer rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: * I'm fairly certain that the functionality of an MTA is significantly more than just receiving mail via POP3 and sending it via SMTP. IIUC, MTAs don't generally do POP3; that's an MRA's job. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_retrieval_agent Celejar, Thanks! Randy Kramer -- I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I created a video instead.--with apologies to Cicero, et.al. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Flashdrive, read-only, cannot write
On Sunday 12 April 2009 11:05:29 am Umarzuki Mochlis wrote: I had this flash drive for a few months and a few days ago, I couldn't store data in it. I even try to reformat it but it just won't let me. Any suggestion before I buy a new one? There was a thread on slashdot on this subject within the last few days--I'd suggest you look for it and read the possibilities for failure (that was more the subject than say recovering data). Some of the reasons for an instant failure (like this appears to be) included a good jolt of static electricity, or plugging it into something that used too high a voltage. But at least one failure sounded potentially easily fixable--sometimes the connector flexes the rest of the card too much and some of the connections (or the solder on them) crack and fail. In some cases they can be resoldered. ctrl:~# fdisk /dev/sdc You will not be able to write the partition table. You might also google for that particular error message and see what it's telling you and how and whether other people have overcome it. Randy Kramer -- I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I created a video instead.--with apologies to Cicero, et.al. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE: Clicking a link in kmail brings konqueror to the foreground (with focus), unlike the behavior on my old Mandriva2006 installation
On Wednesday 08 April 2009 02:23:48 pm Brad Rogers wrote: I no longer use KMail/Konq, so was trying to remember what I had, and how it behaved. Sorry I wasn't more help. No problem--thanks for trying! Randy Kramer -- I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I created a video instead.--with apologies to Cicero, et.al. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE: Clicking a link in kmail brings konqueror to the foreground (with focus), unlike the behavior on my old Mandriva2006 installation
On Wednesday 08 April 2009 04:58:37 pm Andrei Popescu wrote: On Tue,07.Apr.09, 09:00:26, Randy Kramer wrote: * but this will bring konqueror to the foreground, with the focus, obscuring kmail (this is bad, not what I prefer, and not the behavior I had on Mandriva2006) and requiring me to do things to restore kmail to the foreground and get the focus back to kmail. Iceweasel does the same and it even changes desktops. My solution was to start it in a different desktop and prevent it from changing desktops through the window manager. I'm using Xfce4 though, not sure if KDE can do this. Let me make sure I understand: With iceweasel on a different desktop, kmail still finds it and opens links in it (when a link is clicked in kmail)? That's not what I'm looking for, but could be an alternate workaround. But, the other problem would be that since I keep konqueror open on several of my desktops, it would probably be unpredictable where (on which instance of konqueror) any particular link opened up. So probably not all that desirable after all. I'm still wondering what happened to the old behavior--did KDE 3.4.2 have some capability that no longer exists in 3.5.10/3.5.9, or did Mandriva (2006) have some secret sauce that nobody else knew about? Randy Kramer -- I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I created a video instead.--with apologies to Cicero, et.al. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
KDE: Clicking a link in kmail brings konqueror to the foreground (with focus), unlike the behavior on my old Mandriva2006 installation
(Aside: I've done a fair amount of googling, reading documentation, experimenting (which includes comparing settings on my old Mandriva2006 installation to my new Debian 5.0 installation), and even asking on a kde mail list (kde-li...@kde.org) with no good results so far. Also, this is slightly rephrased from the question on that list--I hope it makes it more clear.) Background and (some) details: On my recently retired Mandriva2006 system (replaced with a Debian 5.0 installation using KDE), when I clicked a link in kmail (and there was an instance of konqueror open on the same desktop), the link would open in a new tab of the existing konqueror instance *and leave that instance of konqueror in the background* (i.e., behind kmail, with kmail maintaining the focus). In Debian 5.0, I can't get the same behavior without other adverse effects. To be more specific, clicking a link in kmail: * will open the link in a new tab in the existing konqueror (this is good) (this was not the behavior as delivered, but required changing only a few fairly obvious configuration settings for konqueror) * but this will bring konqueror to the foreground, with the focus, obscuring kmail (this is bad, not what I prefer, and not the behavior I had on Mandriva2006) and requiring me to do things to restore kmail to the foreground and get the focus back to kmail. (I do have a workaround which is to keep konqueror mostly offscreen so just a corner of konqueror becomes visible when it comes to the foreground, I can then reclick in kmail to regain the focus and continue reading email--I'd prefer not to have to use this workaround.) I have found at least one way to solve the problem for kmail, but that causes other problems for the overall system. The primary way I've found is to adjust the focus stealing prevention for windows (in general) from the low setting (the default as installed setting) to high (normal didn't quite do the job). Some of the adverse effects from doing this included: * various popups, like authorization dialogs in konqueror and other things (kcontrol) now pop under the parent window--thus they are not visible * the Run Command dialog (called by altF2) doesn't get the focus when it pops up unless by chance it pops up over the current location of the mouse pointer I also experimented with Windows Specific Settings but didn't make much progress there--some of the behaviors seemed counterintuitive or buggy (for example, iirc, if I got a Window to keep below I could never get it above the other windows on that screen (desktop), and vice versa) . In addition, on my Mandriva 2006 system there were no Windows specific settings for konqueror or kmail--the only Windows specific settings were for, darn, I think it was gjots (the little notetaking application that uses ccrypt). Mandriva2006 used KDE 3.4.2. with konqueror 3.4.2 and, iirc, kmail 1.4.2. The Question(s): So, my first question is, does anybody using Debian 5.0 (KDE) have the behavior I desire, that is, that clicking on a link in kmail brings up the link in a new tab in an instance of konqueror on the same desktop (this part does work for me) while leaving that instance of konqueror in the background (this is the part that does not work for me, the real heart of the question). If so, does it do so without any of the adverse effects I described above (causing popups to pop under, or the Run Command to not get the focus if the mouse pointer is not within the boundaries of the Run Command popup). If so, my next (i.e., future) questions will relate to how you got that behavior. If not, I wonder what has changed between KDE 3.4.2 and Debian's KDE 3.5.10/3.5.9. (And, could it be fixed. ;-) BTW, I should mention that, to the best of my recollection, the behavior I described for kmail and konqueror on Mandriva2006 was the as installed / default behavior, although that was several years ago and I may have forgotten something. Thanks! Randy Kramer -- I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I created a video instead.--with apologies to Cicero, et.al. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE: Clicking a link in kmail brings konqueror to the foreground (with focus), unlike the behavior on my old Mandriva2006 installation
On Tuesday 07 April 2009 04:01:35 pm Brad Rogers wrote: Randy Kramer rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: open in a new tab of the existing konqueror instance *and leave that instance of konqueror in the background* (i.e., behind kmail, with kmail maintaining the focus). I /think/ what you need to set is (in Control Centre) Internet Network - Web Browser - Web Behaviour. There, select Open links in new tab instead of new window and in Advanced Options choose Open new tabs in background. Brad, Thanks for the response! Those are already set, along with the Open as tab in existing Konqueror when URL is called externally advanced option--didn't help. On your system does kmail open links in a new tab in an existing konqueror and leave konqueror in the background? (And, if so, are you using KDE 3.5.10/3.5.9 on Debian 5.0?) Randy Kramer -- I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I created a video instead.--with apologies to Cicero, et.al. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Konqueror: select all doesn't work in the location bar
On Thursday 26 March 2009 05:02:48 am Thorny wrote: On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:49:37 -0400, Randy Kramer posted: Not sure if confirmation is what you want, for me in Konq 3.5.9 on Lenny, select all works properly. Thorny, Thanks--but just so I'm clear, can you please confirm it works properly specifically from (i.e., within) the address / location bar? (On my Mandriva systems, (most recently, 2006, with konqueror 3.5.4), I could put the cursor in the address bar, press ctrl a (or choose select all on the menu) and select the entire web address. On this system (Debian 5.0) that does not work.) A package version, is a package version, it would be a nightmare otherwise. You have the same version as I. Thanks! I assumed that, but wanted confirmation as I'm puzzled as to what might be different on my system that it works for you (in the location bar) and for at least one other person but not for me. I do have some other problems that I don't think are relevant, so won't cite them atm, but I can't really imagine what I could have done to prevent this from working. In fact, it was one of the early problems I noticed, before I started configuring/fine tuning this Debian 5.0 system. Trying to upgrade it and creating a mixed system could cause you a whole new set of problems and grief. I'm sure! Randy Kramer -- I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I created a video instead.--with apologies to Cicero, et.al. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Konqueror: select all doesn't work in the location bar
(On my recently installed Debian 5.0 with Konqueror 3.5.9) Two questions: Select all doesn't work in the konqueror location bar. Is anyone else experiencing the same problem? I reported this as a bug, and got back a works for me response from someone using 3.5.9 on Debian Squeeze. They said their package is 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 (under Debian Squeeze) and it turns out that my package is also 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 but under Debian Lenny. I'm assuming that these two packages would be exactly the same, so there would be no benefit in upgrading. Is that a correct assumption? Thanks! Randy Kramer -- I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I created a video instead.--with apologies to Cicero, et.al. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: No puedo instalar Flash Player en Iceweasel
Carlos Carrero Gutierrez escribió: -- *Randy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] Buenas, estoy intslando Flash Player en Iceweasel y tras hacerlo y ver que no funciona, me dice esto en la terminal: http://img391.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pantallazouf4.png ¿Qué hago? Muchísimas gracias de antemano. Acaban de publicar Flash 10 y parece ser que en la web de Adobe tienen paquetes deb además de tar.gz. Yo instalé el deb ayer en una Ubuntu y perfecto, aunque no he comprobado si el paquete sirve para Debian seguramente funcione mejor que un rpm. http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlashLang=Spanish Un saludo. -- *Randy* (randynet en gmail) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mi Mac usa debian para Power PC o debian para iX86 ??????
GaBo escribió: Hola amigos: Perdon por la tardanza pero es que he estado buscando al ternativas pero no he podido instalar debian lenny en mi MacBook Pro, lo que quiero hacer es tener un sistema doble, tener linux y MacOs. Pero al momento de instalar debian todo va bien hasta llegar a GRUB ya que como instale REFFIT no instalo el GRUB solo sincronizo con REFFIT, pero cuando le doy finalizar me manda al menu GRUB y sigo sin instalar y segun no instala nada pero no sincroniza nada de nada hice las modificaciones en el config de REFFIT desde mac, pero aun asi no me reconoce el sistema que ya esta instalado segun yo. Hola GaBo; Yo usé el instalador gráfico de lenny y al llegar a la parte de grub, como sabía que había problemas con el mismo, le dije que no y entonces el instalador va a una pantalla donde te pone todos los pasos de la instalación y seleccioné lilo y lo instalé sin problema. (creo que es en realidad elilo) Al reiniciar ya te aparece debian en refit y una vez arrancado ya puedes ponerle grub (en la wiki de debian te pone algo al respecto) Añado que el mio es un blanquito, pero intuyo que en el pro es lo mismo. Un saludo ;) Randy randynet(a)gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problema al actualizar xorg
El otro día al actualizar el sistema me fijé que había un montón de paquetes relacionados con xorg en mi lenny. La sorpresa vino al reiniciar después, las x muestran a veces pequeñas rayitas en la pantalla y pese a que las imágenes aparecen todas no aparece ni una sola tipografía, por lo que están los menús sin letras. Afortunadamente en modo texto funciona correctamente. ¿Alguien sabe a qué podría deberse o cómo puedo arreglarlo? No se de donde sacar más información para daros, si me decís de donde la mando a la lista. Gracias ;) -- Randy randynet(a)gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problema al actualizar xorg
Agustin Martin escribió: On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 08:22:23AM +0200, Randy wrote: El otro día al actualizar el sistema me fijé que había un montón de paquetes relacionados con xorg en mi lenny. La sorpresa vino al reiniciar después, las x muestran a veces pequeñas rayitas en la pantalla y pese a que las imágenes aparecen todas no aparece ni una sola tipografía, por lo que están los menús sin letras. Afortunadamente en modo texto funciona correctamente. ¿Alguien sabe a qué podría deberse o cómo puedo arreglarlo? Las xorg que estaban en unstable dejan al servidor tomar más decisiones sin que sea necesario ponerlas explícitamente en el xorg.conf que, por tanto, se hace menor. Podría ser que esas decisiones se peleen con tu xorg.conf. Prueba a # cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.pre-new-xorg # dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg y mira el resultado rearrancando las X. Si falla más, recupera el xorg.conf anterior. Échales un vistazo antes por si hay algo extraño. Lo probaré a ver, gracias. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mi Mac usa debian para Power PC o debian para iX86 ??????
Diego Martínez Castañeda escribió: no tenía pensado importurnar con un tema menor pero, ya que ha salido el hilo, lo comento. Yo también tengo un MacBook (sin pro, el básico) y no consigo hacer funcionar la tarjeta de red Broadcom 4329 que trae. He probado parches, núcleos y todo lo que viene en el wiki de debian, aunque fuese para el pro, sin éxito. ¿Alguien tiene alguna idea de cómo puedo hacer funcionar el wireless en este blanco cacharro? Un saludo, diego Hola Diego; pues eso quisiera saber yo, majo, porque desde que lo compré me fue imposible echar a andar ninguna de las cosas que comenté que hay que usar parches y toda esa morralla y bueno, la webcam por ejemplo es prescindible, pero tener que estar con un cable para conectarte... es una jodienda. La wifi que comentas concrétamente con el módulo y con todo instalado no la detecta, a la hora de levantar la red no encuentra la tarjeta por ninguna parte. Me da que la info del wiki tal vez está un poco desactualizada, no se. -- Randy randynet en gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mi Mac usa debian para Power PC o debian para iX86 ??????
GaBo escribió: Hola de nuevo: Estube buscando informacion de como instalar y si me funciona lo que me dice Jose Manuel, pero ese proceso funciona bien en una macbook de un compañero, yo tengo una macbook pro, y pues ya tengo el espacio para instalar linux, pero el problema aqui es que cuando inicio la instalacion con el disco me dice que no encontro una tarjeta de red, y como lo estoy haciendo con una netist pues no puedo mas que instalar el sistema basico pero aun asi no me funciona, como puedo hacer para que me funcione la tarjeta de red o es mejor probar con lenny Espero que alguno de ustedes me pueda ayudar con la instalacion en mi macbook pro, seguire investigando gracias por su ayuda, ademas las intrucciones que me dio Jose Manuel tambien funcionan para una iMac, pero bueno espero que me puedan ayudar y gracias por toda la atencion brindada. Hola GaBo; Si tiene micro Intel, iX86. Échale un vistazo a este enlace del wiki de Debian http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro Yo no tuve ese problema con Lenny en el MacBook blanco, me dejó instalar con el NetInstaller sin problema, quizás solo ocurra con Etch, no se. De todos modos, ya te digo que para que te funcionen varias cosas (iSight, Apple Remote, Wifi, teclas fn y tarjeta de sonido) toca bajarse módulos y compilar, al menos en el MB pequeño, el enlace que te pongo es el específico del Pro, que aunque no lo he leido supongo que será una historia similar. Básicamente la instalación la inicias desde Mac instalando rEFIt y dejando libre una partición en la que empiezar a instalar Debian, pero ojo, que Grub da problemas, por lo que conviene cuando el instalador lo intenta meter salir al menú e instalar en su defecto lilo y ya habrá tiempo de cambiar a Grub si te gusta más, el tema es que la Debian arranque y desde ahí ya poder hacerte el kernel y hurgar en la máquina. Espero que te sirva el enlace. Suerte ;) -- *Randy* (randynet en gmail) Debian Lenny, KDE 3.5.8, Kernel 2.6.22-3-686 en MacBook-Intel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sobre xhost.
Marcelo Guzmán escribió: Saludos listeros, Les cuento: Al ejecutar como usuario en la consola cualquier aplicación que necesite recurrir al servidor gráfico para correr (ejemplo kwrite), me funciona sin problemas; Pero al hacerlo como root me lanza el siguiente error: debian:/home/marcelo# kwrite Xlib: connection to :0.0 refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified kwrite: cannot connect to X server :0.0 Googleando por ahí encontré que ejecutando el comando xhost + como usuario se arreglaba el problema y efectivamente puedo ejecutar como root cualquier aplicación. Pero, es normal eso?, como puedo hacer que no tenga que ingresar ese comando para ejecutar aplicaciones como root?. He rebuscado en internet y he revisado el man de xhost, pero no logro comprender totalmente su funcionamiento. Estoy casi seguro que cuando tenia gnome no tenia este problema. Tengo Lenny con KDE corriendo en un athlon64 X2 5200+, Tarjeta Nvidia GeForce 8500GT con drivers propietarios. Desde ya gracias por la ayuda Hola Marcelo; Yo suelo poner en una consola como usuario normal esto: xhost +local:root Y a partir de entonces funcionan las x para el superusuario durante esa sesión. La verdad no he pensado en habilitarlo de forma permanente, porque al quedar guardado en la memoria de la consola suele no andar muy lejos dándole a la flecha de arriba. Un saludo ;) -- *Randy* (randynet en gmail) Debian Lenny, KDE 3.5.8, Kernel 2.6.22-3-686 en MacBook-Intel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel erroneo y lilo
Federico Alberto Sayd escribió: Randy escribió: XayOn X escribió: El lun, 17-03-2008 a las 09:47 -0300, Federico Alberto Sayd escribió: Randy escribió: Hola a todos; Recientemente he compilado unos kernels y los he puesto en el lilo con la mala suerte de que el que puse como predeterminado tiene problemas y no arranca. Mi sorpresa se da cuando al inicio le doy a esc para escoger el kerner con el que arrancar la máquina y lilo no aparece, directamente se carga el kernel problemático. Esto nunca me había ocurrido. ¿Hay algún otro modo de poder acceder al lilo? ¿desde un live-CD quizás? Gracias :) -- Randy randynet en gmail.com Podrías iniciar con un live cd hacer un chroot a la partición raíz, modificar el archivo de configuración del lilo y luego correr lilo para grabar los cambios. Si tiene por ahi una distro live que use lilo no hace falta el chroot, del mismo modo que haces eso, copias a la particion principal de la live la configuracion de lilo en la maquina en la que lo quieres reparar, la modificas y reinstalas lilo en el mbr, como dije en un principio. Claro que hoy en dia eso es dificil de encontrar, por ese mismo motivo: usa grub ;-). Hola; Gracias a todos por las respuestas. No tengo muy claro que Grub funcione bien en el MacBook, había leído que había serias incompatibilidades entre grub y rEFIt, que es lo que usa a modo de Bios. De todos modos me dice que Grub está instalado ya y sin embargo no aparece en el inicio. Tampoco tengo Windows en esa máquina, solo Debian y MacOS y desde éste solamente puedo ver la partición /home. Entrando con el CD de Ubuntu abro una consola y hago sudo chroot /media/disk (que es donde monta la raiz de mi Debian) y aparentemente bien, me cambia el nombre en consola a root. Instalo lilo y me dice que ya está en su más reciente versión. Ejecuto lilo y me da el siguiente error: Warning: LBA32 addressing assumed. Fatal: raid_setup: stat(/dev/sda). Posiblemente ahí esté el problema, no se, googleando no sale nada potable y no tengo ni idea de qué indica esa frase. ¿Arreglaría algo borrando y purgando lilo e instalándolo de nuevo? No ha funcionado renombrar los kernel para intentar hacer creer a lilo que el que busca es uno de los buenos ni tampoco volver a poner la copia de seguridad que tenía de lilo.conf. Evidentemente lilo es más listo que yo :D La verdad casi hubiera tardado menos reinstalando la raiz, porque tampoco es que tenga mucho tiempo disponible, pero soy algo cabezón y prefiero arreglar el problema aunque sea solo para saber que era y cómo arreglar errores similares en otra ocasión. Hasta aquí por hoy, acepto ideas o sujerencias. ;) Mañana sigo dándole duramente al tema a ver si hay más suerte. Gracias nuevamente. -- Randy randynet en gmail.com Me llama la atención lo de raid_setup. Te has fijado si el Macbook implementa algún tipo de raid o tecnología parecida en los discos?. Puede ser que eso no le guste al lilo. En última instancia podrías probar con Super Grub disk, o en con cualquier disco floppy o cdrom con un grub. Lo único que debes hacer es bootear con el cd, floppy, etc y una vez que te presente la línea de comandos de grub tratar de ejecutar a mano el booteo. Para obtener una consola en grub, si no estás dentro de ella, debes presionar c Luego defines la raiz de tu sistema Linux: grub root (hd0,0)#por ejemplo para el primer disco y la primera partición Si todo va bien el grub detecta el filesystem y puede leer de él, así que puedes usar la tecla tab para autocompletar nombres de archivo. Luego pones: grub kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro # Eliges el kernel correcto y le das enter grub initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-686 #Si usas initrd al bootear que es lo más seguro y luego presionas b para bootear el sistema operativo. Prueba hasta que salga bien. Saludos Bueno, acabo de instalar mi Lenny desde cero y nada extraño ha ocurrido, por lo que el disco no está dañado. Solo me queda el mal sabor de no haber descubierto el orígen del problema y qué era eso del raid_setup. Si alguien tuviera una idea de qué podría tratarse que por favor lo comente para que haya una constancia en este hilo. Y muchas gracias a todos. ;) -- *Randy* (randynet en gmail) Debian Lenny, KDE 3.5.8, Kernel 2.6.22-3-686 en MacBook-Intel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel erroneo y lilo
Federico Alberto Sayd escribió: Lo único que debes hacer es bootear con el cd, floppy, etc y una vez que te presente la línea de comandos de grub tratar de ejecutar a mano el booteo. Para obtener una consola en grub, si no estás dentro de ella, debes presionar c Luego defines la raiz de tu sistema Linux: grub root (hd0,0)#por ejemplo para el primer disco y la primera partición Si todo va bien el grub detecta el filesystem y puede leer de él, así que puedes usar la tecla tab para autocompletar nombres de archivo. Luego pones: grub kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro # Eliges el kernel correcto y le das enter grub initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-686 #Si usas initrd al bootear que es lo más seguro y luego presionas b para bootear el sistema operativo. Prueba hasta que salga bien. Bueno, el Super Grub Disk según parece no se entiende con EFI, porque se queda pillado intentando encontrar las particiones. Intenté con el cd de Debian instalarle grub o lilo y me dio error también, incluso haciendo una instalación parcial, por lo que temiendo que se haya podido fastidiar algo en el disco (eso del raid...) voy a intentar por último instalar desde cero (conservando el home, claro). Espero que todo esté bien. :S -- Randy [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel erroneo y lilo
Federico Alberto Sayd escribió: Me llama la atención lo de raid_setup. Te has fijado si el Macbook implementa algún tipo de raid o tecnología parecida en los discos?. Puede ser que eso no le guste al lilo. No tengo la menor idea, sigo a la expectativa con eso del raid_setup, pero yo diría que no debe tratarse de algo físico, sino de alguna solución de software de lilo/efi. Pero te hablo desde la total ignorancia. En última instancia podrías probar con Super Grub disk, o en con cualquier disco floppy o cdrom con un grub. Lo único que debes hacer es bootear con el cd, floppy, etc y una vez que te presente la línea de comandos de grub tratar de ejecutar a mano el booteo. Para obtener una consola en grub, si no estás dentro de ella, debes presionar c Luego defines la raiz de tu sistema Linux: grub root (hd0,0)#por ejemplo para el primer disco y la primera partición Si todo va bien el grub detecta el filesystem y puede leer de él, así que puedes usar la tecla tab para autocompletar nombres de archivo. Luego pones: grub kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro # Eliges el kernel correcto y le das enter grub initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-686 #Si usas initrd al bootear que es lo más seguro y luego presionas b para bootear el sistema operativo. Prueba hasta que salga bien. Saludos Estoy bajándome Super Grub Disk y en la web ( http://supergrub.forjamari.linex.org/ ) pone como novedades: (¡BETA!) Repara el arranque de Gnu/Linux (LILO). Suena interesante. Y si no funciona lo intento con Grub. De todos modos me tienta hacerlo a mano como indicas, para verlo de primera mano. :) Ya os contaré. -- Randy randynet en gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: icedove con lightning
Antonio escribió: Hola a todos. Estoy intentando utilizar el complemento lightning (agenda) con icedove pero no me funciona correctamente, he probado con lightning-0.7 para linux, he solucionado el problema inicial de la versión, pero una vez instalado no funciona bien. ¿Alguien lo tiene en uso? ¿Me recomendáis otra agenda que sea simple como esta? No quiero usar evolution no me gusta. Un saludo y muchas gracias. Hola Antonio; Lightning es la versión enbebida dentro de Thunderbird/IceDove de Sunbird. Si ésta te está dando problemas puedes usar Sunbird como aplicación independiente. Es exactamente igual de efectiva y bonita. http://tinyurl.com/yudb5 También había una versión como plugin de IceWeasel/Firefox, pero no se si desapareció, porque no la encuentro ahora. Un saludo ;) -- randy randynet en gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kernel erroneo y lilo
Hola a todos; Recientemente he compilado unos kernels y los he puesto en el lilo con la mala suerte de que el que puse como predeterminado tiene problemas y no arranca. Mi sorpresa se da cuando al inicio le doy a esc para escoger el kerner con el que arrancar la máquina y lilo no aparece, directamente se carga el kernel problemático. Esto nunca me había ocurrido. ¿Hay algún otro modo de poder acceder al lilo? ¿desde un live-CD quizás? Gracias :) -- Randy randynet en gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel erroneo y lilo
XayOn X escribió: El lun, 17-03-2008 a las 09:47 -0300, Federico Alberto Sayd escribió: Randy escribió: Hola a todos; Recientemente he compilado unos kernels y los he puesto en el lilo con la mala suerte de que el que puse como predeterminado tiene problemas y no arranca. Mi sorpresa se da cuando al inicio le doy a esc para escoger el kerner con el que arrancar la máquina y lilo no aparece, directamente se carga el kernel problemático. Esto nunca me había ocurrido. ¿Hay algún otro modo de poder acceder al lilo? ¿desde un live-CD quizás? Gracias :) -- Randy randynet en gmail.com Podrías iniciar con un live cd hacer un chroot a la partición raíz, modificar el archivo de configuración del lilo y luego correr lilo para grabar los cambios. Si tiene por ahi una distro live que use lilo no hace falta el chroot, del mismo modo que haces eso, copias a la particion principal de la live la configuracion de lilo en la maquina en la que lo quieres reparar, la modificas y reinstalas lilo en el mbr, como dije en un principio. Claro que hoy en dia eso es dificil de encontrar, por ese mismo motivo: usa grub ;-). Hola; Gracias a todos por las respuestas. No tengo muy claro que Grub funcione bien en el MacBook, había leído que había serias incompatibilidades entre grub y rEFIt, que es lo que usa a modo de Bios. De todos modos me dice que Grub está instalado ya y sin embargo no aparece en el inicio. Tampoco tengo Windows en esa máquina, solo Debian y MacOS y desde éste solamente puedo ver la partición /home. Entrando con el CD de Ubuntu abro una consola y hago sudo chroot /media/disk (que es donde monta la raiz de mi Debian) y aparentemente bien, me cambia el nombre en consola a root. Instalo lilo y me dice que ya está en su más reciente versión. Ejecuto lilo y me da el siguiente error: Warning: LBA32 addressing assumed. Fatal: raid_setup: stat(/dev/sda). Posiblemente ahí esté el problema, no se, googleando no sale nada potable y no tengo ni idea de qué indica esa frase. ¿Arreglaría algo borrando y purgando lilo e instalándolo de nuevo? No ha funcionado renombrar los kernel para intentar hacer creer a lilo que el que busca es uno de los buenos ni tampoco volver a poner la copia de seguridad que tenía de lilo.conf. Evidentemente lilo es más listo que yo :D La verdad casi hubiera tardado menos reinstalando la raiz, porque tampoco es que tenga mucho tiempo disponible, pero soy algo cabezón y prefiero arreglar el problema aunque sea solo para saber que era y cómo arreglar errores similares en otra ocasión. Hasta aquí por hoy, acepto ideas o sujerencias. ;) Mañana sigo dándole duramente al tema a ver si hay más suerte. Gracias nuevamente. -- Randy randynet en gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Video conferencia
Pepo escribió: Hola amigos. Debo realizar una vídeo conferencia para un auditorio, el ancho de banda será bastante bueno pero espero me puedan recomendar alguna aplicación para esto. Ekiga no me parece tan formal para una buena vídeo conferencia, pero talvez me equivoco, Qué otra aplicación se podría usar? Saludos, Pepo. Hola Pepo; Hay algunos programas de mensajería o de VoIP que permiten videoconferencia. Algunos son Skype, aMSN, o Kopete Quizás yo me quedaría con Skype, seguramente el más elegante, pero no es libre, por lo que aMSN o kopete pueden ser una buena opción. A ver si te sirve alguno de esos. -- *Randy* (randynet en gmail) Debian Lenny, KDE 3.5.8, Kernel 2.6.22-3-686 en MacBook-Intel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apagón mundial 29 de Febrero 2008
Cristhoper Jaña escribió: Veamos que pasa, Apagón mundial el 29 Febrero 2008 Oscuridad mundial el día 29 de Febrero de 2008 de las 19.55 a las 20.00 horas. GMT Se propone apagar todas las luces y si es posible todos los aparatos eléctricos para que nuestro planeta pueda respirar. Si la respuesta es masiva el ahorro de energía puede ser enorme. Solo 5 minutos y veremos que pasa. Sí, estaremos 5 minutos en la oscuridad. Puedes prender una vela y quedarte mirándola mientras nuestro planeta respira. Recuerda que la unión hace la fuerza y que con Internet, que es muy poderosa, se puede hacer algo grande. Propaga la noticia y si tienes amigos en el extranjero envíales este mensaje para que se ajusten a la hora. A buenas horas. xD -- *Randy* (randynet en gmail) Debian Lenny, KDE 3.5.8, Kernel 2.6.22-3-686 en MacBook-Intel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opción para Messenger
Carlos Agustín L. Avila escribió: ¿Que recomendaciones me pueden dar en cuestiones de seguridad? No se ¿como filtrar páginas? ¿conversaciones en Messenger? Tal ves paresca paranoico pero todo es debido al peligro que existen cuando un niño accede a Internet? Hola Carlos; Para MSN además de los que te recomiendan tienes Kopete, Kmess y Kmerlin, si usas KDE. Para filtrar páginas hay una extensión de Firefox llamada Glubble que funciona bien en IceWeasel. http://www.glubble.com/ Espero te sea de ayuda ;) -- *Randy* (randynet en gmail) Debian Lenny, KDE 3.5.8, Kernel 2.6.22-3-686 en MacBook-Intel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: p2p no funciona
Jorge Beinstein escribió: Hola a todos, Tengo instalado desde hace tiempo debian etch, nunca he podido hacer fucnionar los programas p2p (ni amule, ni frostwire, ni gtk-gnutella, ni giftui, etc). Sin embargo en mi otra particion donde tengo instalado windows, Limewire funciona perfectamente bien, igualmente con otros programas p2p. Hice todo lo que estaba a mi alcance, incluso he eliminado iptables, pero el resultado es nulo. ¿Que puedo hacer? Espero ayuda y gracias por adelantado JorgedeBrandsen Hola Jorge; Se me ocurre que puede ser cosa de los puertos del router, a mi me ocurrió algo parecido y era debido a que en Debian usaba una IP local distinta que en Windows, por lo que la apertura de puertos que tenía hecha para los P2P del Xp no me servía y lo solucioné poniendo la misma IP local que en Windows. Ahora va como la seda. Suerte ;) -- *Randy* (randynet en gmail) Debian Lenny, KDE 3.5.8, Kernel 2.6.22-3-686 en MacBook-Intel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problema con Aptitude: python-gobject, etc...
Randy escribió:
Hola listeros;
Al actualizar el sistema me encuentro con errores en los siguientes
paquetes:
python-gobject-dbg
python-gobject
python-libxml2
hplip
hpijs
python-gtk2
hpijs-ppds
hplip-gui
python-glade2
compizconfig-settings-manager
compiz-fusion-kde
compiz-fusion-all
Aparentemente las culpables son las librerías de python que se
actualizaron hace pocos días y de las cuales parece que dependen el
resto de paquetes.
¿A alguien más le ha pasado esto?
Si lo veis conveniente os pego lo que me arroja aptitude, aunque es algo
extenso.
Bueno, como en este hilo no entra nadie pego lo que me dice Aptitude por
si acaso alguien lo leyera :)
AuruM:/home/randy# aptitude upgrade
W: The upgrade command is deprecated; use safe-upgrade instead.
Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
Creando árbol de dependencias
Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho
Leyendo la información de estado extendido
Inicializando el estado de los paquetes... Hecho
Leyendo las descripciones de las tareas... Hecho
Construir la base de datos de etiquetas... Hecho
Se ELIMINARÁN los siguientes paquetes:
libcrypto++6{u} libexif-dev{u} libgphoto2-2-dev{u}
libmono-data-tds1.0-cil{u} libmono-security1.0-cil{u}
libmono-sharpzip0.84-cil{u} libmono-system-data1.0-cil{u}
libmono-system-web1.0-cil{u} libmono1.0-cil{u} libusb-dev{u}
myspell-en-us{u}
Se actualizarán los siguientes paquetes:
gnome-applets-data python-glade2 python-gobject python-gtk2
python-libxml2
Se configurarán los siguientes paquetes que están ahora parcialmente
instalados:
compiz-fusion-all compiz-fusion-kde compizconfig-settings-manager
hpijs
hpijs-ppds hplip hplip-gui python-gobject-dbg
5 paquetes actualizados, 0 nuevos instalados, 11 para eliminar y 0
sin actualizar.
Necesito descargar 0B/13,0MB de ficheros. Después de desempaquetar
se liberarán 16,8MB.
¿Quiere continuar? [Y/n/?]
Escribiendo información de estado extendido... Hecho
(Leyendo la base de datos ...
228809 ficheros y directorios instalados actualmente.)
Preparando para reemplazar python-glade2 2.12.0-2 (usando
.../python-glade2_2.12.1-1_i386.deb) ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /usr/sbin/update-python-modules, line 348, in ?
post_change_stuff(py)
File /usr/sbin/update-python-modules, line 224, in post_change_stuff
file(initfile,w).close()
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/var/lib/python-support/python2.4/bootconfig/__init__.py'
dpkg: aviso - script de `pre-removal' antiguo devolvió código de error 1
dpkg - probando el script del nuevo paquete en su lugar...
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /usr/sbin/update-python-modules, line 348, in ?
post_change_stuff(py)
File /usr/sbin/update-python-modules, line 224, in post_change_stuff
file(initfile,w).close()
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/var/lib/python-support/python2.4/bootconfig/__init__.py'
dpkg: error al procesar
/var/cache/apt/archives/python-glade2_2.12.1-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
el subproceso script pre-removal nuevo devolvió el código de salida
de error 1
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /usr/sbin/update-python-modules, line 344, in ?
bytecompile_all(py)
File /usr/sbin/update-python-modules, line 238, in bytecompile_all
post_change_stuff(py)
File /usr/sbin/update-python-modules, line 224, in post_change_stuff
file(initfile,w).close()
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/var/lib/python-support/python2.4/bootconfig/__init__.py'
dpkg: error al reorganizar:
el subproceso post-installation script devolvió el código de salida
de error 1
Preparando para reemplazar python-gobject 2.14.0-4 (usando
.../python-gobject_2.14.1-1_i386.deb) ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /usr/sbin/update-python-modules, line 348, in ?
post_change_stuff(py)
File /usr/sbin/update-python-modules, line 224, in post_change_stuff
file(initfile,w).close()
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/var/lib/python-support/python2.4/bootconfig/__init__.py'
dpkg: aviso - script de `pre-removal' antiguo devolvió código de error 1
dpkg - probando el script del nuevo paquete en su lugar...
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /usr/sbin/update-python-modules, line 348, in ?
post_change_stuff(py)
File /usr/sbin/update-python-modules, line 224, in post_change_stuff
file(initfile,w).close()
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/var/lib/python-support/python2.4/bootconfig/__init__.py'
dpkg: error al procesar
/var/cache/apt/archives/python-gobject_2.14.1-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
el subproceso script pre
Re: Problema con Aptitude: python-gobject, etc...
Luis Rodrigo Gallardo Cruz escribió: Gracias. Es difícil saber qué pasa si no nos dices qué pasa. ;) Efectivamente :) Más que nada preguntaba por si alguien había tenido problemas con esos paquetes. Como vi que aparentemente no, pues por eso adjunté el rollazo de consola Básicamente, el proceso de actualización cree que necesita eliminar pedazos que se quedaron de un módulo 'bootconfig'. Pero al tratar de eliminarlos, resulta que no están y falla con ese error. Es decir, lo que pasa es que algo está confundiendo al sistema diciendo en un lado que ese módulo existió y que ya no está, y en otro que nunca existió, o que sí pero se eliminó bien. Ahora bien, por más que busco, no encuentro en ningún lado un paquete que contenga esos archivos. ¿Instalaste paquetes de algún depósito no oficial? (Por cierto, ¿que versión estás usando?) Manda por favor la salida de los siguientes 3 comandos: ls /var/lib/python-support/python2.4 ls /usr/share/python-support/ dpkg -S /usr/share/python-support/bootconfig A ver si alguno de ellos ayuda. Pues a ver; se trata de una *Debian Lenny* con KDE 3.5.8 (también uso en ocasiones Gnome), Kernel 2.6.22-3-686 y los *repositorios* que tengo son los siguientes: deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main deb http://www.nanolx.org/apt/ excelsior main deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable non-free deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ testing main deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free deb http://repository.elive-systems.com/ elive main drivers ports elive test deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-lenny/desktopfx/unstable/ ./ Los de Elive son porque es un MacBook (aunque no me resolvieron gran cosa y debería quitarlos, de hecho uno de ellos ni lo encuentra) Los comandos que comentabas me devuelven todo este rollo: *ls /var/lib/python-support/python2.4* BitTorrent ORBit.so BitTorrent-3.4.2.egg-infopcardext.so bootconfig pygtk.pth cupsext.so pygtk.py dbus pyogg-1.3.egg-info dbus_bindings.py scanext.so dbus_bindings.pycScanPCI.py _dbus_bindings.soselinux.py _dbus_glib_bindings.so selinux.pyc displayconfigabstraction.py _selinux.so displayconfig-hwprobe.py semanage.py displayconfig.py semanage.pyc displayconfig-restore.py _semanage.so displayconfigwidgets.py seobject.py drivedetect.py seobject.pyc drv_libxml2.py sepolgen elementtree servertestdialog.py elementtree-1.2.6_20050316.egg-info serviceconfig.py execwithcapture.py serviceconfig.pyc fuser.py SimpleCommandRunner.py fuser_ui.py sizeview.py GnuPGInterface.pySMBShareSelectDialog.py GnuPGInterface.pyc SoftwareProperties gtk-2.0 startupmanager-1.9.9.egg-info gtksourceview2.sounixauthdb.py hpmudext.so UpdateManager ixf86misc.so update_manager-0.42.2.egg-info ktimerdialog.py userconfig.py libxml2mod.sowineconfig.py libxml2.py wineread.py MicroHAL.py winewrite.py mountconfig.py xf86misc.py ogg xorgconfig.py * AuruM:/home/randy# ls /usr/share/python-support/* bittorrentpython-dbuspython-libxml2 epiphany-extensions.dirs python-elementtree python-notify gedit.dirspython-glade2 python-pyogg gnome-applets-datapython-gnome2 python-pyorbit gnome-blogpython-gnome2-desktop python-pyvorbis gnome-doc-utils.dirs python-gnome2-extras python-selinux hplip python-gnupginterface python-semanage kde-guidance python-gobject python-support.dirs policycoreutils python-gobject-dbg rhythmbox.dirs pykdeextensions python-gtk2sepolgen python-compizconfig python-gtksourceview2 update-manager * AuruM:/home/randy# dpkg -S /usr/share/python-support/bootconfig* dpkg: no se encontró /usr/share/python-support/bootconfig. Y eso es todo, por el momento. Gracias. :) -- *Randy* (randynet en gmail) Debian Lenny, KDE 3.5.8, Kernel 2.6.22-3-686 en MacBook-Intel
Re: Problema con Aptitude: python-gobject, etc...
Luis Rodrigo Gallardo Cruz escribió: Pues a ver; se trata de una *Debian Lenny* con KDE 3.5.8 (también uso en ocasiones Gnome), Kernel 2.6.22-3-686 y los *repositorios* que tengo son los siguientes: deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main deb http://www.nanolx.org/apt/ excelsior main deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable non-free deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ testing main deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free deb http://repository.elive-systems.com/ elive main drivers ports elive testdeb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-lenny/desktopfx/unstable/ ./ Uy, tienes muchas cosas no oficiales. Yo creo que fue alguna de esas la que te causó el problema, pero ni idea de como averiguar ahora. He borrado los repositorios de Elive. El de Google es inofensivo, asi que nada. :) ¿Crees que debiera quitar los de Nano y Tuxfamily? En principio son solamente de cosas gráficas (temas de kdm, etc) Supongo que ya que tengo todo instalado podría quitarlos sin problema. Si te dice que no lo encuentra, es que efectivamente es basurita que se quedó de algún paquete mal hecho o algo parecido. Borra el directorio completo. Con eso debería quedar todo bien. Efectivamente, no lo encontró, borré ese directorio, hice aptitude update y aptitude upgrade y me está bajando 90 paquetazos que no me dejaba actualizar por este tema ^__^ Te estoy *muy* agradecido. :) -- *Randy* (randynet en gmail) Debian Lenny, KDE 3.5.8, Kernel 2.6.22-3-686 en MacBook-Intel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IceDove se cierra solo al cerrar una ventana de mensaje
Debian Lenny con IceDove versión 2.0.0.9 (20080110)
Todo va de perlas, pero si abro una ventana de mensaje al cerrarla
IceDove desaparece.
No es problema de extensiones, ya que probé con todas deshabilitadas.
Ejecutándolo en consola no dice absolutamente nada, por lo que lo
ejecuté con strace, como leí en otro hilo, por si a alguien le sujiere
algo lo que devuelve.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ strace icedove
execve(/usr/bin/icedove, [icedove], [/* 35 vars */]) = 0
brk(0) = 0x80f3000
access(/etc/ld.so.nohwcap, F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
mmap2(NULL, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1,
0) = 0xb7f47000
access(/etc/ld.so.preload, R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open(/etc/ld.so.cache, O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=92423, ...}) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 92423, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0xb7f3
close(3)= 0
access(/etc/ld.so.nohwcap, F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open(/lib/libncurses.so.5, O_RDONLY) = 3
read(3, \177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\0\242\0...,
512) = 512
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=194636, ...}) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 198548, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3,
0) = 0xb7eff000
mmap2(0xb7f2d000, 12288, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0x2d) = 0xb7f2d000
close(3)= 0
access(/etc/ld.so.nohwcap, F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open(/lib/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2, O_RDONLY) = 3
read(3, \177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0p\n\0\000...,
512) = 512
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=9684, ...}) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 12412, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0)
= 0xb7efb000
mmap2(0xb7efd000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0x1) = 0xb7efd000
close(3)= 0
access(/etc/ld.so.nohwcap, F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open(/lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6, O_RDONLY) = 3
read(3, \177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\260e\1...,
512) = 512
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=1356196, ...}) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1,
0) = 0xb7efa000
mmap2(NULL, 1361520, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3,
0) = 0xb7dad000
mmap2(0xb7ef4000, 12288, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0x147) = 0xb7ef4000
mmap2(0xb7ef7000, 9840, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb7ef7000
close(3)= 0
mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1,
0) = 0xb7dac000
set_thread_area({entry_number:-1 - 6, base_addr:0xb7dac6b0,
limit:1048575, seg_32bit:1, contents:0, read_exec_only:0,
limit_in_pages:1, seg_not_present:0, useable:1}) = 0
mprotect(0xb7ef4000, 4096, PROT_READ) = 0
munmap(0xb7f3, 92423) = 0
rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0
open(/dev/tty, O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK|O_LARGEFILE) = 3
close(3)= 0
brk(0) = 0x80f3000
brk(0x80f4000) = 0x80f4000
open(/usr/lib/locale/locale-archive, O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=1282688, ...}) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 1282688, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0xb7c72000
close(3)= 0
brk(0x80f5000) = 0x80f5000
brk(0x80f6000) = 0x80f6000
getuid32() = 1000
getgid32() = 1000
geteuid32() = 1000
getegid32() = 1000
rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0
time(NULL) = 1201282232
brk(0x80f7000) = 0x80f7000
open(/proc/meminfo, O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0444, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1,
0) = 0xb7f46000
read(3, MemTotal: 2042780 kB\nMemFre..., 1024) = 728
close(3)= 0
munmap(0xb7f46000, 4096)= 0
brk(0x80f8000) = 0x80f8000
rt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, {SIG_DFL}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0
rt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, {SIG_DFL}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0
rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {SIG_DFL}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0
rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {SIG_DFL}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0
rt_sigaction(SIGQUIT, {SIG_DFL}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0
rt_sigaction(SIGQUIT, {SIG_DFL}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0
rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, NULL, [], 8) = 0
rt_sigaction(SIGQUIT, {SIG_IGN}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0
uname({sys=Linux, node=AuruM, ...}) = 0
brk(0x80f9000) = 0x80f9000
stat64(/home/randy, {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0
stat64(., {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0
getpid()= 12760
