Re: [Debian 6] - unexpected issue with iso images
On Tuesday 07 June 2011 02:27:26 Bret Busby wrote: First thing - I think that it would be a good idea for each version to have its own mailing list, Please, no! We can surely all benefit from the issues that people are having, even in versions which we are not using? I know that I do. And although I am currently using Lenny, I want to know about issues in Squeeze and Wheezy for when I upgrade. Indeed, they can help me decide when to upgrade. Not to mention the fact that some of us for one reason or another are using an obsolute version (I had to recently for a course that I was doing.) An e.g. Etch mailing list would have virtually no traffic, but by going to this more general list, I was able to get help. And how many back mailing lists would you keep? How far back would these separate lists go? Woody? Potato? the beginning? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201106070929.31244.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: [Debian 6] - unexpected issue with iso images
On Tue 07 Jun 2011 at 12:45:15 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: As said in my original posting, the optical drive in a new(ish) computer was not recognised by the netinst image previously tried, so I reasoned that the DVD iso image should contain drivers for the computer hardware, so as to enable installation, which the netinst image would not allow. An incoreect assumtion. The official media do not contain non-free material. However, in an endeavour to be helpful to users: http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110607103555.GD19914@desktop
Re: [Debian 6] - unexpected issue with iso images
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, Brian wrote: Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 11:35:55 +0100 From: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: [Debian 6] - unexpected issue with iso images Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 10:51:17 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org On Tue 07 Jun 2011 at 12:45:15 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: As said in my original posting, the optical drive in a new(ish) computer was not recognised by the netinst image previously tried, so I reasoned that the DVD iso image should contain drivers for the computer hardware, so as to enable installation, which the netinst image would not allow. An incoreect assumtion. The official media do not contain non-free material. However, in an endeavour to be helpful to users: http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ Thank you for that. I was not previously aware of that provision. On the web page, it is not stated, but, do we assume that the version there (only one CD version is listed), is the ix86 version? Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.1.10.1106080226270.20...@bretnewworkstation.busby.net
Re: [Debian 6] - unexpected issue with iso images
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Bret Busby wrote: On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, Brian wrote: Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 11:35:55 +0100 From: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: [Debian 6] - unexpected issue with iso images Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 10:51:17 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org On Tue 07 Jun 2011 at 12:45:15 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: As said in my original posting, the optical drive in a new(ish) computer was not recognised by the netinst image previously tried, so I reasoned that the DVD iso image should contain drivers for the computer hardware, so as to enable installation, which the netinst image would not allow. An incoreect assumtion. The official media do not contain non-free material. However, in an endeavour to be helpful to users: http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ Thank you for that. I was not previously aware of that provision. On the web page, it is not stated, but, do we assume that the version there (only one CD version is listed), is the ix86 version? I figured that one out. In clicking on the link, I went to another web page, that listed a version for each of amd64 ix86 multiarch powerpc So, that question is answered. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.1.10.1106080302580.20...@bretnewworkstation.busby.net
Re: [Debian 6] - unexpected issue with iso images
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 09:29:31AM +0100, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 07 June 2011 02:27:26 Bret Busby wrote: First thing - I think that it would be a good idea for each version to have its own mailing list, Please, no! We can surely all benefit from the issues that people are having, even in versions which we are not using? I know that I do. And although I am currently using Lenny, I want to know about issues in Squeeze and Wheezy for when I upgrade. Indeed, they can help me decide when to upgrade. Not to mention the fact that some of us for one reason or another are using an obsolute version (I had to recently for a course that I was doing.) An e.g. Etch mailing list would have virtually no traffic, but by going to this more general list, I was able to get help. And how many back mailing lists would you keep? How far back would these separate lists go? Woody? Potato? the beginning? Not to mention the test posts and subscription issues and the arduous and redundant associated threads that would plague the newest list for at least a year every alternate year. And to which list would users post OT? They'd be forced to use D-community-offtopic! Moreover, to which would Ubuntu users post? They'd have to figure the closest equivalent release. But they might get frustrated and forgo posting. Wait a minute . . . -- Regards, Freeman Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. NO (or Linux) is the answer. --Somebody -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110607194401.GC25478@Europa.office
[Debian 6] - unexpected issue with iso images
Hello. First thing - I think that it would be a good idea for each version to have its own mailing list, with message prepending (in a form such as the one above), so that users can easily identify messages that apply to each user's particular appropriate version(s). Second thing (and, the purpose of this message), is an unexpected issue relating to the cd/DVD iso images. I am running Debian 5, on my computers that are running Debian. I have been intending to replace Debian 5 with Debian 6, when and where I can, and install Debian 6 on a computer that Debian 5 won't install on (the computer is apparently too new, or has optical drive unknown to Debian 5). I had previously downloaded and tried the netinst image for Debian 6.0, and the imgae did not work, I assume, due to lack of hardware drivers, which are now apparenetly (if I understand correctly) ommitted from Debian, fron Debian 6 onward. So, I reasoned that using Debian 6 DVD iso images should include all appropriate drivers for installing the operating system. So, I tried to download the new Debian 6.0.1 DVD iso images (one of each of the 32 bit and the amd64 64 bit versions). However, after taking about a day or so, for the first download attempt, using gwget, as per the instructions on the web page at http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ ; Please do not download CD or DVD images with your web browser the way you download other files! The reason is that if your download aborts, most browsers do not allow you to resume from the point where it failed. Instead, please use a tool that supports resuming. Under Unix, you can use aria2, wxDownload Fast or (on the command line) wget -c URL or curl -C - -L -O URL. Under Windows, you might want to try Free Download Manager. Under Mac OS, have a look at CocoaWget. You can also look at a comparison of download managers and choose a program that you like. the downloads (I was downloading the 32 bit and 64 bit images at the same time, as permitted by gwget) crashed, with the error message Unknown error So, I tried waiting, and the Resume all option, for a few hours, but it kept retunring the same message. So, I closed the gwget application, and opened a new instance of it, and, repoeatedly got the same error messsage, with also Not connected and Not running, showing in the sequence of displayued error messages. Then, I tried downloading the 64 bit version, using the http method, in a web browser (iceape) window. The download was ten times as fast, but, after a few hours, crashed, at 4.0GB (and it crashed the web browser. I tried that a couple of times, with the same result. I then tried to download the 64 bit version, using wget, at the command line, with one of the partial downloads as the target file. The response was: wget -c http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-6.0.1a-amd64-DVD-1.iso --2011-06-07 02:52:14-- http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-6.0.1a-amd64-DVD-1.iso Resolving cdimage.debian.org... 130.239.18.163, 130.239.18.173, 2001:6b0:e:2018::163, ... Connecting to cdimage.debian.org|130.239.18.163|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found Location: http://hammurabi.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/6.0.1a/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-6.0.1a-amd64-DVD-1.iso [following] --2011-06-07 02:52:16-- http://hammurabi.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/6.0.1a/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-6.0.1a-amd64-DVD-1.iso Resolving hammurabi.acc.umu.se... 130.239.18.165, 2001:6b0:e:2018::165 Connecting to hammurabi.acc.umu.se|130.239.18.165|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 206 Partial Content Length: 4689108992 (4.4G), 394141697 (376M) remaining [application/octet-stream] Saving to: `debian-6.0.1a-amd64-DVD-1.iso' 91% [ ] 4,294,967,295 --.-K/s File size limit exceeded So, I checked, and each unsucessful download attempt, resulted in a file with exactly the same size; the file size stated above, which is stated by the download or file management software (using the file Properties, I think) to be 4.0GB. So, I have now downloaded copies of the 32 bit and 64 bit CD iso images (for the first disk of each, only). But, the concept here, is that, from my reasoning (and I stand to be corrected in this, if I am wrong), a 32 bit operating system (or, the Debian 5 32 bit ix86 operating system, which is what I was using to download the iso images), appears to have a maximum file size of 4.0GB. As I have said, I stand to be corrected, if I am wrong in that deduction. But, if I am correct, perhaps, a warning to that effect, could be put on the web page at http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/, to avoid wastage of bandwidth (I have probably, now, downloaded about 20-30GB, to end up with two CD images, and, unusable partial DVD iso images). So, this is an unexpected issue, of which, I believe I
Re: [Debian 6] - unexpected issue with iso images
On 06/07/11 at 09:27am, Bret Busby wrote: Hello. First thing - I think that it would be a good idea for each version to have its own mailing list, with message prepending (in a form such as the one above), so that users can easily identify messages that apply to each user's particular appropriate version(s). This is a user list, and I think it is best to have as many users as possible for broad support (: Where would you go for 5-6 migration efforts, the 5 list or the 6 list? You would cc: both, no doubt. So, I have now downloaded copies of the 32 bit and 64 bit CD iso images (for the first disk of each, only). Why are you downloading both? Choose whichever is appropriate for you, and download that. I would posit that it's probably 32bit unless you have a specific need for the 64bit distribution (even if your CPU supports 64 bit). But, the concept here, is that, from my reasoning (and I stand to be corrected in this, if I am wrong), a 32 bit operating system (or, the Debian 5 32 bit ix86 operating system, which is what I was using to download the iso images), appears to have a maximum file size of 4.0GB. The file size limit is set by your filesystem. Which OS you're downloading has no bearing on it, but it does sound like you're hitting a limit. What OS are you currently *using*? I wasn't able to determine from your email. FAT32 has 4GB limits. Ext3 does not, regardless of architecture. I have a 32bit kernel and ext3 and I have many files 5GB But, if I am correct, perhaps, a warning to that effect, could be put on the web page at http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/, to avoid wastage of bandwidth (I have probably, now, downloaded about 20-30GB, to end up with two CD images, and, unusable partial DVD iso images). A warning about filesizes could probably be put there, but I am not the one to do it. Send that request to the debian-www list. Now as for your issue. As stated on the first 'Getting Debian' page: If you simply want to install Debian and have an Internet connection on the target computer please consider the Network Install media which is a smaller download. Or download the CD image, instead of the DVD image. It sounds like whatever you've got doesn't support 4GB files. -- Liam signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Debian 6] - unexpected issue with iso images
On Mon, 6 Jun 2011, William Hopkins wrote: Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 22:01:15 -0400 From: William Hopkins we.hopk...@gmail.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: [Debian 6] - unexpected issue with iso images On 06/07/11 at 09:27am, Bret Busby wrote: Hello. First thing - I think that it would be a good idea for each version to have its own mailing list, with message prepending (in a form such as the one above), so that users can easily identify messages that apply to each user's particular appropriate version(s). This is a user list, and I think it is best to have as many users as possible for broad support (: Where would you go for 5-6 migration efforts, the 5 list or the 6 list? You would cc: both, no doubt. Possibly, yes, but anyone using Debian 5 could avoid reading messages that relate to a particular package in Debian 6, that might not be applicable to Debian 5, and Debian 4 users likewise. I still have one system running Debian 4, I think, and it would probably be too much trouble to upgrade, so has been left until the computer dies (which may be another decade or so - that computer, apart from a minor issue, appears to be quite robust). So, I have now downloaded copies of the 32 bit and 64 bit CD iso images (for the first disk of each, only). Why are you downloading both? Choose whichever is appropriate for you, and download that. I would posit that it's probably 32bit unless you have a specific need for the 64bit distribution (even if your CPU supports 64 bit). 32 bit for 32 bit CPU's with 2GB RAM, and 64 bit for 64 bit CPU's with up to 8GB RA. I have both. But, the concept here, is that, from my reasoning (and I stand to be corrected in this, if I am wrong), a 32 bit operating system (or, the Debian 5 32 bit ix86 operating system, which is what I was using to download the iso images), appears to have a maximum file size of 4.0GB. The file size limit is set by your filesystem. Which OS you're downloading has no bearing on it, but it does sound like you're hitting a limit. What OS are you currently *using*? I wasn't able to determine from your email. FAT32 has 4GB limits. Ext3 does not, regardless of architecture. I have a 32bit kernel and ext3 and I have many files 5GB The OS that I am currently using, is stated in the paragrapgh that you cited above. The filesystem - Ah, there's the rub... It hadn't occurred to me; I am using a USB external HDD to which I was downloading the images - a Windows compatible storage device; hence FAT32 (I assume) ... Now, if I had shifted some stuff from my computer HDD, and so freed up some GB's of space, and downloaded it to there, I would have avoided the issue. But, if I am correct, perhaps, a warning to that effect, could be put on the web page at http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/, to avoid wastage of bandwidth (I have probably, now, downloaded about 20-30GB, to end up with two CD images, and, unusable partial DVD iso images). A warning about filesizes could probably be put there, but I am not the one to do it. Send that request to the debian-www list. Now as for your issue. As stated on the first 'Getting Debian' page: If you simply want to install Debian and have an Internet connection on the target computer please consider the Network Install media which is a smaller download. As said in my original posting, the optical drive in a new(ish) computer was not recognised by the netinst image previously tried, so I reasoned that the DVD iso image should contain drivers for the computer hardware, so as to enable installation, which the netinst image would not allow. Or download the CD image, instead of the DVD image. It sounds like whatever you've got doesn't support 4GB files. Done that. As I said previously, I have downloaded the two CD1 images. That is included ion the text that you included above. -- Liam Thank you for the information about the FAT32 file size limit. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.1.10.1106071231330.21...@bretnewworkstation.busby.net
