Re: [OT] English language [was:Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?]
On Sunday 03 April 2011 16:17:55 Ron Johnson wrote: ... What populist propaganda have you been reading? How do they say Disneyland in French? Terre de Disney? Terre de Souris? Actually, the French (in France) disdain direct translations of English phrases, and will generally use the English term, or invent a separate, French one. The Québecois, on the other hand, use direct translation quite a bit. So you have le hot dog in Paris, but le chien chaud in Montréal. -Chris | Christopher Judd, Ph. D. | | Research Scientist III | | NYS Dept. of Health j...@wadsworth.org | | Wadsworth Center - ESP | | P. O. Box 509518 486-7829 | | Albany, NY 12201-0509 | IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential or sensitive information which is, or may be, legally privileged or otherwise protected by law from further disclosure. It is intended only for the addressee. If you received this in error or from someone who was not authorized to send it to you, please do not distribute, copy or use it or any attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201104040909.58924.j...@wadsworth.org
[OT] English language [was:Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?]
On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 03:08:55PM -0400, Doug wrote: This is grossly off topic, but since it's here, i _must_ answer: Thank God there is no English Academy. As a native English speaker I entirely agree, but I can understand the frustrations of others who are effectively forced to use our language as a lingua franca and cannot find a single, stable definition of it. In France, their Academy has the force and power of law. It is _illegal_ to name anything public in English. If you have a store and call it by an English name you will be forced to change it to something French. The only exception I have heard of is Le Drugstore. I don't know how they get away with it. What populist propaganda have you been reading? How do they say Disneyland in French? If English, either British or American, had such an academy, we would still be speaking the language of Henry VIII! And we would never have had the opportunity to get rid of the French spelling of things like centre. ... or table ? Come on! A nationalistic dictionary compiler (anti- British rather than anti-French) caught the mood of the times and you all lapped it up. I don't know if England had its own xenophobic equivalents, but I think the English would be less likely to accept changes of spelling decreed from above. The French may hate everything English, but those of us who speak any variety of English appreciate its variety, and we wouldn't have it any other way. But is it _our_ language any more? Cheers, David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110403195417.GA3897@gennes.augarten
Re: [OT] English language [was:Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?]
On 04/03/2011 02:54 PM, David Jardine wrote: On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 03:08:55PM -0400, Doug wrote: This is grossly off topic, but since it's here, i _must_ answer: Thank God there is no English Academy. As a native English speaker I entirely agree, but I can understand the frustrations of others who are effectively forced to use our language as a lingua franca and cannot find a single, stable definition of it. Kinda like Spanish... In France, their Academy has the force and power of law. It is _illegal_ to name anything public in English. If you have a store and call it by an English name you will be forced to change it to something French. The only exception I have heard of is Le Drugstore. I don't know how they get away with it. What populist propaganda have you been reading? How do they say Disneyland in French? Terre de Disney? Terre de Souris? If English, either British or American, had such an academy, we would still be speaking the language of Henry VIII! And we would never have had the opportunity to get rid of the French spelling of things like centre. ... or table ? Come on! A nationalistic dictionary compiler (anti- British Webster completed his /American Dictionary/ while at U. Cambridge. Would an anti-Brit really go to England to do his work? rather than anti-French) caught the mood of the times and you all lapped it up. That can only happen when there's no canon. spelling is in flux. I don't know if England had its own xenophobic equivalents, but I think the English would be less likely to accept changes of spelling decreed from above. Above? Webster didn't get his dictionary mandated by the government. Anyway, two words: Samuel Johnson. The French may hate everything English, but those of us who speak any variety of English appreciate its variety, and we wouldn't have it any other way. But is it _our_ language any more? Not after you beggared yourself after the two World Wars. -- Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d98d5f3.4040...@cox.net
Re: [OT] English language [was:Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?]
Not sure I want to get into this ;) - but ... Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/03/2011 02:54 PM, David Jardine wrote: On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 03:08:55PM -0400, Doug wrote: has the force and power of law. It is _illegal_ to name anything public in English. If you have a store and call it by an English name you will be forced to change it to something French. The only exception I have heard of is Le Drugstore. I don't know how they get away with it. What populist propaganda have you been reading? How do they say Disneyland in French? Terre de Disney? Terre de Souris? A glance here reveals several restaurants in Paris that seem to be willing to break the law in that case: http://www.placesinfrance.com/restaurants_in_paris_france.html If English, either British or American, had such an academy, we would still be speaking the language of Henry VIII! And we would never have had the opportunity to get rid of the French spelling of things like centre. ... or table ? Come on! A nationalistic dictionary compiler (anti- British Webster completed his /American Dictionary/ while at U. Cambridge. Would an anti-Brit really go to England to do his work? Interestingly, Samuel Johnson's admiration for the French Academy was what inspired him to write his dictionary, and it seems it was in part due to this admiration he chose the French-style spellings. Center etc. was more common before that. No political points, just observations ;) -- Chris Jackson Shadowcat Systems Ltd. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d98dc61.6020...@shadowcat.co.uk
Re: [OT] English language [was:Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?]
On 4 April 2011 06:17, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 04/03/2011 02:54 PM, David Jardine wrote: On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 03:08:55PM -0400, Doug wrote: This is grossly off topic, but since it's here, i _must_ answer: Thank God there is no English Academy. As a native English speaker I entirely agree, but I can understand the frustrations of others who are effectively forced to use our language as a lingua franca and cannot find a single, stable definition of it. Kinda like Spanish... In France, their Academy has the force and power of law. It is _illegal_ to name anything public in English. If you have a store and call it by an English name you will be forced to change it to something French. The only exception I have heard of is Le Drugstore. I don't know how they get away with it. What populist propaganda have you been reading? How do they say Disneyland in French? Terre de Disney? Terre de Souris? I don't think they have, 'Disneyland'. If English, either British or American, had such an academy, we would still be speaking the language of Henry VIII! And we would never have had the opportunity to get rid of the French spelling of things like centre. ... or table ? Come on! A nationalistic dictionary compiler (anti- British Webster completed his /American Dictionary/ while at U. Cambridge. Would an anti-Brit really go to England to do his work? To study the enemy and sow dissension. rather than anti-French) caught the mood of the times and you all lapped it up. That can only happen when there's no canon. spelling is in flux. You don't even use capital letters at the beginning of sentences any more. I don't know if England had its own xenophobic equivalents, but I think the English would be less likely to accept changes of spelling decreed from above. Above? Webster didn't get his dictionary mandated by the government. Anyway, two words: Samuel Johnson. He just cleaned up the mess that the French, Germans and Romans had made of the language. The French may hate everything English, but those of us who speak any variety of English appreciate its variety, and we wouldn't have it any other way. But is it _our_ language any more? Not after you beggared yourself after the two World Wars. That wouldn't have mattered if you lot hadn't stolen America from us. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: [OT] English language [was:Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?]
On Sunday 03 April 2011 22:55:22 Heddle Weaver wrote: I don't think they have, 'Disneyland'. I'm afraid that they do, and it is called Disneyland Paris. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201104032329.28923.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] English language [was:Re: OpenOffice.org - how to install additional languages?]
On 04/03/2011 04:55 PM, Heddle Weaver wrote: On 4 April 2011 06:17, Ron Johnsonron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 04/03/2011 02:54 PM, David Jardine wrote: On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 03:08:55PM -0400, Doug wrote: [snip] What populist propaganda have you been reading? How do they say Disneyland in French? Terre de Disney? Terre de Souris? I don't think they have, 'Disneyland'. You're kidding, right? http://idf.disneylandparis.fr/ It's only been open for 20 years. If English, either British or American, had such an academy, we would still be speaking the language of Henry VIII! And we would never have had the opportunity to get rid of the French spelling of things like centre. ... or table ? Come on! A nationalistic dictionary compiler (anti- British Webster completed his /American Dictionary/ while at U. Cambridge. Would an anti-Brit really go to England to do his work? To study the enemy and sow dissension. Snicker. rather than anti-French) caught the mood of the times and you all lapped it up. That can only happen when there's no canon. spelling is in flux. You don't even use capital letters at the beginning of sentences any more. My children do. I don't know if England had its own xenophobic equivalents, but I think the English would be less likely to accept changes of spelling decreed from above. Above? Webster didn't get his dictionary mandated by the government. Anyway, two words: Samuel Johnson. He just cleaned up the mess that the French, Germans and Romans had made of the language. On the contrary. Johnson added re because of his Francophilia. The French may hate everything English, but those of us who speak any variety of English appreciate its variety, and we wouldn't have it any other way. But is it _our_ language any more? Not after you beggared yourself after the two World Wars. That wouldn't have mattered if you lot hadn't stolen America from us. Telling Englishmen that they're Englishmen but don't have the rights of Englishmen isn't the brightest way to hold together your Empire. -- Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d98fa95.2000...@cox.net
