[OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
Hello, Is just me who receives this sort of e-mails when replying to certain messages of this mailing list? I'm now getting this which pretends to be from myself so I guess the other posts I received were also faked in the same way. *** Re: 2TB USB hard drive for backing up 1QA4xxx2a | Apr 30, 2012 02:54PM UTC Thank you for submitting your request. We have received your request and are working on responding to you as soon as possible. If you have any additional information to add to this case, please reply to this email. Thanks in advance for your patience and support. This message was sent to noela...@gmail.com in reference to Case #79920. *** These messages seem to be related with this site: http://portal.joegiglio.org Anyone knows what's this? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jnmdjp$kbo$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
Joe's back again :(. - Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1338096714.2298.15.camel@precise
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
Am Montag, 30. April 2012 schrieb Camaleón: > Hello, > > Is just me who receives this sort of e-mails when replying to certain > messages of this mailing list? *Oh* *my* *goddess*! Is this really true? Please just report to listmasters and then filter for yourself as necessary. Anyway not needed I reported it there some time ago already. I set this thread as all read and ignore it. Thanks, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201205271919.51692.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On 27.05.2012 20:19, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Am Montag, 30. April 2012 schrieb Camaleón: >> Hello, >> >> Is just me who receives this sort of e-mails when replying to certain >> messages of this mailing list? > > *Oh* *my* *goddess*! > > Is this really true? > > Please just report to listmasters and then filter for yourself as > necessary. Anyway not needed I reported it there some time ago already. > > I set this thread as all read and ignore it. > > Thanks, Why to revive old thread? I think that this was discussed two weeks ago. -- [Mika Suomalainen](https://mkaysi.github.com/) || [gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 4DB53CFE82A46728](http://mkaysi.github.com/PGP/key.txt) || [Why do I sign my emails?](http://mkaysi.github.com/PGP/WhyDoISignEmails.html) || [Please don't send HTML.](http://mkaysi.github.com/articles/complaining/HTML.html) || [Please don't toppost](http://mkaysi.github.com/articles/complaining/topposting.html) || [This signature](https://gist.github.com/2643070) || signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
I too have now received one of these emails in reply to Message-ID: <4fc5080e.7030...@gmail.com> I find this odd as I have replied to the lists several times and only got one of these replies the moment I started a new thread on debian-user. -- elb...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fc50dd6.1040...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
30.04.2012 19:11, Camaleón kirjoitti: > Hello, > > Is just me who receives this sort of e-mails when replying to certain > messages of this mailing list? > > I'm now getting this which pretends to be from myself so I guess the > other posts I received were also faked in the same way. > > *** > Re: 2TB USB hard drive for backing up > > 1QA4xxx2a | Apr 30, 2012 02:54PM UTC > > Thank you for submitting your request. We have received your request and > are working on responding to you as soon as possible. If you have any > additional information to add to this case, please reply to this email. > > Thanks in advance for your patience and support. > > > This message was sent to noela...@gmail.com in reference to Case #79920. > > *** > > These messages seem to be related with this site: > > http://portal.joegiglio.org > > Anyone knows what's this? > > Greetings, > I am not receiving anything like that. Have you happened to post about this issue earlier to this list or am I just imagining it? By the way, this looks like a reason to GPG sign everything, like I am doing. There is sometimes arguing at gnupg-user and enigmail user about should messages to mailing lists be signed or not. I think that there was once such arguement here too in some of those multiple [OT] Posting styles threads. -- Mika Suomalainen gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 4DB53CFE82A46728 Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728 0x82A46728.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:04:38 +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: > 30.04.2012 19:11, Camaleón kirjoitti: >> Is just me who receives this sort of e-mails when replying to certain >> messages of this mailing list? >> >> I'm now getting this which pretends to be from myself so I guess the >> other posts I received were also faked in the same way. (...) >> These messages seem to be related with this site: >> >> http://portal.joegiglio.org >> >> Anyone knows what's this? >> >> > I am not receiving anything like that. Have you happened to post about > this issue earlier to this list or am I just imagining it? Yes, I first (and wrongly) thought this could be a misconfigured auto- responder, a bad gateway configuration or something like that but now I see this is something that is done automatically and randomly. > By the way, this looks like a reason to GPG sign everything, like I am > doing. There is sometimes arguing at gnupg-user and enigmail user about > should messages to mailing lists be signed or not. I think that there > was once such arguement here too in some of those multiple [OT] Posting > styles threads. I would be against forcing the usage of signed e-mails for mailing lists which, by the way, can be also automated and used to send spam or "faked" messages: you don't solve a problem like this with just GPG/PGP, you need to apply additional counter-measures. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jnmhcj$kbo$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
In linux.debian.user, you wrote: > Hello, > > Is just me who receives this sort of e-mails when replying to certain > messages of this mailing list? > I've received a few as well, and I'm not even subscribed (I read the list on usenet instead). It's probably due to someone using an infected machine (windos, android, or mac are all likely culprits). Sadly very common on mailing lists for years now... I keep waiting for Ubuntu to get hit with malware, surprising it hasn't happened yet (though it almost certainly will). -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120430170544.GA28199@radhesyama
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:11:37 + (UTC) Camaleón wrote: Hello Camaleón, > Is just me who receives this sort of e-mails when replying to certain > messages of this mailing list? Not had any, but I'm an infrequent writer here. Could it be that, because you're posting via the newsgroup rather than direct to the ML, someone/something on that route is causing the problem, perhaps? -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Tired of doing day jobs with no thanks for what I do Do Anything You Wanna Do - Eddie & The Hotrods signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
30.04.2012 20:16, Camaleón kirjoitti: > On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:04:38 +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: > >> 30.04.2012 19:11, Camaleón kirjoitti: > >>> Is just me who receives this sort of e-mails when replying to certain >>> messages of this mailing list? >>> >>> I'm now getting this which pretends to be from myself so I guess the >>> other posts I received were also faked in the same way. > > (...) > >>> These messages seem to be related with this site: >>> >>> http://portal.joegiglio.org >>> >>> Anyone knows what's this? >>> >>> >> I am not receiving anything like that. Have you happened to post about >> this issue earlier to this list or am I just imagining it? > > Yes, I first (and wrongly) thought this could be a misconfigured auto- > responder, a bad gateway configuration or something like that but now I > see this is something that is done automatically and randomly. > >> By the way, this looks like a reason to GPG sign everything, like I am >> doing. There is sometimes arguing at gnupg-user and enigmail user about >> should messages to mailing lists be signed or not. I think that there >> was once such arguement here too in some of those multiple [OT] Posting >> styles threads. > > I would be against forcing the usage of signed e-mails for mailing lists > which, by the way, can be also automated and used to send spam or "faked" > messages: you don't solve a problem like this with just GPG/PGP, you need > to apply additional counter-measures. > > Greetings, > You misunderstood me. I only said that it's a reason to use GPG, not that it should be forced. If GPG signatures would be forced, amount of posts on this list would drop and there wouldn't be so many people on this list. -- Mika Suomalainen gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 4DB53CFE82A46728 Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728 0x82A46728.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:25:05 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:11:37 + (UTC) Camaleón > wrote: > > Hello Camaleón, > >> Is just me who receives this sort of e-mails when replying to certain >> messages of this mailing list? > > Not had any, but I'm an infrequent writer here. Could it be that, > because you're posting via the newsgroup rather than direct to the ML, > someone/something on that route is causing the problem, perhaps? That could be the common link for those who receive these messages (Indulekha is also using an external gateway and also gets them). But I still fail to see what can cause this which OTOH, only happens in this mailing list (I follow -read/post- another Debian mailing lists via Gmane but I don't get this kind of replies :-?). Okay... I will add a rule to Gmail and problem solved. Thanks all for your input. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jnmjg5$kbo$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 08:04:38PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: > By the way, this looks like a reason to GPG sign everything, like I am > doing. There is sometimes arguing at gnupg-user and enigmail user about > should messages to mailing lists be signed or not. I think that there > was once such arguement here too in some of those multiple [OT] Posting > styles threads. How would that prevent or otherwise help solve this problem? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120430175415.GA15580@debian
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
30.04.2012 20:54, Jon Dowland kirjoitti: > How would that prevent or otherwise help solve this problem? It wouldn't, but it would give people a hint that message is faked if it's missing signature and that person usually signs everything. -- Mika Suomalainen gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 4DB53CFE82A46728 Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728 0x82A46728.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Mon 30 Apr 2012 at 16:11:37 +, Camaleón wrote: > Is just me who receives this sort of e-mails when replying to certain > messages of this mailing list? I'm not. Not unless my anti-spam measures have evolved without my knowing! > I'm now getting this which pretends to be from myself so I guess the > other posts I received were also faked in the same way. The envelope To cannot be faked, otherwise you would not have got the mail. Seeing the Received: headers, or some of them, for this and other mails might be useful. Reading from the bottom it will be the first three or four which will be of interest. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120430175834.GL3883@desktop
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Mon 30 Apr 2012 at 12:06:40 -0500, Indulekha wrote: > I keep waiting for Ubuntu to get hit with malware, surprising it > hasn't happened yet (though it almost certainly will). Do you have anything specific in mind or is this just a feeling you have in your waters? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120430181621.GM3883@desktop
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
Camaleón wrote: > > But I still fail to see what can cause this which OTOH, only happens in > this mailing list (I follow -read/post- another Debian mailing lists via > Gmane but I don't get this kind of replies :-?). > Can you actually post via usenet, and if so, how? I tried that a few times, but my posts never showed up, so I got the impression the mail2news thingie was strictly one way. Also, not so long ago someone emailed me to complain that I was breaking threads. Am I? It looks just fine to me on usenet... -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120430181502.GA29460@radhesyama
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:52:05 + (UTC) Camaleón wrote: Hello Camaleón, > That could be the common link for those who receive these messages > (Indulekha is also using an external gateway and also gets them). Indeed, but I hadn't noticed that at the time I replied. > But I still fail to see what can cause this which OTOH, only happens No idea, TBH. Does such a message arrive for each post you make to the list, or just some of them? You wrote in another message it happens "automatically and randomly" which seems almost contradictory. Automatically might imply it always happens, randomly indicates otherwise. > Okay... I will add a rule to Gmail and problem solved. Thanks all for Well, side-stepped, or buried, not really solved. :-) > your input. YW. Finally, FWIW, I didn't see anything from joe1 after my last post. Of course, it could have been caught by a server-side spamtrap. Normally though, emails of that type arrive and end up in the "unsure" pile that bogofilter generates during mail import. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" I'll be the paint on the side if you'll be the tin Love Song - The Damned signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Mon 30 Apr 2012 at 13:15:02 -0500, Indulekha wrote: [Snip] > Also, not so long ago someone emailed me to complain that I > was breaking threads. Am I? It looks just fine to me on usenet... You've broken every thread and sub-thread I've seen you take part in. This is not a complaint - but you did ask. :) How avoidable it is I do not know, so I am unable to help you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120430184738.GO3883@desktop
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
Brian wrote: > On Mon 30 Apr 2012 at 12:06:40 -0500, Indulekha wrote: > >> I keep waiting for Ubuntu to get hit with malware, surprising it >> hasn't happened yet (though it almost certainly will). > > Do you have anything specific in mind or is this just a feeling you > have in your waters? > Naw, I just feel the vibration in the aether, LOL. :) No actually -- it's because they're following a path (not unlike Apple) of starting with a secure, unix-like system and then "dumbing it down" for non-technically-inclined users. This always seems to create vulnerabilities, sooner or later... And also because they're becoming a fairly large target. Mind you, I don't *like* the idea of malware for Ubuntu one bit -- I have converted a number of non-techie friends and family to using Ubuntu and Mint. When it does happen it may not be so bad, because they do have a good autoupdate system. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120430183343.GA29684@radhesyama
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Mon 30 Apr 2012 at 13:33:43 -0500, Indulekha wrote: > Brian wrote: > > > > Do you have anything specific in mind or is this just a feeling you > > have in your waters? > > Naw, I just feel the vibration in the aether, LOL. :) This is a technically based mailing list; can we stick to observable phenomena? The aether is old hat. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120430185624.GP3883@desktop
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
In linux.debian.user, you wrote: > On Mon 30 Apr 2012 at 13:15:02 -0500, Indulekha wrote: > > [Snip] > >> Also, not so long ago someone emailed me to complain that I >> was breaking threads. Am I? It looks just fine to me on usenet... > > You've broken every thread and sub-thread I've seen you take part in. > This is not a complaint - but you did ask. :) > > How avoidable it is I do not know, so I am unable to help you. > It's either something to do with the References header the mail2news gateway software makes being incompatible with the mailing list's headers, or it's that certain MUAs drop the ball on threading under some circumstances. But it does look just fine to me on usenet, so it must be either addressable or perhaps an MUA-related issue some folks have. Being way out in the middle of nowhere on a s-l-o-w dialup connection means I'm not willing to receive all that mail from the list, sorry. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120430192453.GA30591@radhesyama
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
In linux.debian.user, you wrote: > On Mon 30 Apr 2012 at 13:33:43 -0500, Indulekha wrote: > >> Brian wrote: >> > >> > Do you have anything specific in mind or is this just a feeling you >> > have in your waters? >> >> Naw, I just feel the vibration in the aether, LOL. :) > > This is a technically based mailing list; can we stick to observable > phenomena? The aether is old hat. :) I suppose you don't want to hear about the results of my scrying in the pond under the full moon then, either? Jeesh! Some people are just so closed-minded... ;) -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120430192727.GA30727@radhesyama
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:37:26 +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: > 30.04.2012 20:16, Camaleón kirjoitti: (...) >>> By the way, this looks like a reason to GPG sign everything, like I am >>> doing. There is sometimes arguing at gnupg-user and enigmail user >>> about should messages to mailing lists be signed or not. I think that >>> there was once such arguement here too in some of those multiple [OT] >>> Posting styles threads. >> >> I would be against forcing the usage of signed e-mails for mailing >> lists which, by the way, can be also automated and used to send spam or >> "faked" messages: you don't solve a problem like this with just >> GPG/PGP, you need to apply additional counter-measures. >> >> >> > You misunderstood me. I only said that it's a reason to use GPG, not > that it should be forced. But Mika, if you don't enforce a policy then is the same that not using it, don't you think? :-) If anyone can decide whether to use or not signatures for their posts, where is the gain? I can decide to go that path but in what way that will change anything? > If GPG signatures would be forced, amount of posts on this list would > drop and there wouldn't be so many people on this list. Of course. For instance, it will prevent me from posting. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jnmr14$kbo$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Mon 30 Apr 2012 at 14:27:27 -0500, Indulekha wrote: > I suppose you don't want to hear about the results of my scrying > in the pond under the full moon then, either? Jeesh! Some people > are just so closed-minded... > ;) I could just about stand that but, if it is a cold night, please don't mention phlogiston. It makes my skin go all tingly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120430201021.GR3883@desktop
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:15:02 -0500, Indulekha wrote: > Camaleón wrote: >> >> But I still fail to see what can cause this which OTOH, only happens in >> this mailing list (I follow -read/post- another Debian mailing lists >> via Gmane but I don't get this kind of replies :-?). >> >> > Can you actually post via usenet, and if so, how? I tried that a few > times, but my posts never showed up, so I got the impression the > mail2news thingie was strictly one way. I use Gmane and post/read to mailing lists by using a newsreader client: http://gmane.org/ Should you are interested in setting up this or find any problem with its configuration just drop me a line off-list. > Also, not so long ago someone emailed me to complain that I was breaking > threads. Am I? It looks just fine to me on usenet... Well, I'm afraid that "kind of" :-) You can see it by yourself, your posts are not properly threaded: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/04/thrd4.html#01943 And if you look into your messages "References" header field they seem to be pointing always to these (your own?) posts: References: Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jnmrnu$kbo$2...@dough.gmane.org
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Mon 30 Apr 2012 at 20:57:10 +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: [Mutt snipped most of the dross, I got rid of the rest of it.] > 30.04.2012 20:54, Jon Dowland kirjoitti: > > How would that prevent or otherwise help solve this problem? > > It wouldn't, . . . . You were on a winner and should have stopped writing here because this > . . . . but it would give people a hint that message is faked if > it's missing signature and that person usually signs everything. is irrelevant if the message being received is not from you, which appears to be the case here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120430201314.GS3883@desktop
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:28:30 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:52:05 + (UTC) Camaleón
> wrote:
>
> Hello Camaleón,
>
>> That could be the common link for those who receive these messages
>> (Indulekha is also using an external gateway and also gets them).
>
> Indeed, but I hadn't noticed that at the time I replied.
Ah.. are you also using a news server?
>> But I still fail to see what can cause this which OTOH, only happens
>
> No idea, TBH. Does such a message arrive for each post you make to the
> list, or just some of them? You wrote in another message it happens
> "automatically and randomly" which seems almost contradictory.
> Automatically might imply it always happens, randomly indicates
> otherwise.
It happens "automatically" (with no other interaction from my part other
than replying to a message) and at a "random" basis (it does not happen
for all of my replies, only when I reply to specific threads). Hope it's
more clear now :-)
>> Okay... I will add a rule to Gmail and problem solved. Thanks all for
>
> Well, side-stepped, or buried, not really solved. :-)
Yup, but what could I do? The annoying posts are not reaching the list
neither Gmane's archive so... what do you suggest? I'm all ears O:-)
>> your input.
>
> YW.
>
> Finally, FWIW, I didn't see anything from joe1 after my last post. Of
> course, it could have been caught by a server-side spamtrap. Normally
> though, emails of that type arrive and end up in the "unsure" pile that
> bogofilter generates during mail import.
You can try to reply to this thread ("grub2 loop back is not working")
which is one of those that seem to trigger the annoying e-mail.
Greetings,
--
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Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:28:24 + (UTC)
Camaleón wrote:
Hello Camaleón,
> Ah.. are you also using a news server?
No, I sub to the ML directly.
> It happens "automatically" (with no other interaction from my part
> other than replying to a message) and at a "random" basis (it does not
> happen for all of my replies, only when I reply to specific threads).
> Hope it's more clear now :-)
Yes it is, thanks.
> > Well, side-stepped, or buried, not really solved. :-)
> Yup, but what could I do? The annoying posts are not reaching the list
> neither Gmane's archive so... what do you suggest? I'm all ears O:-)
I wish I had something more helpful to suggest, but unfortunately, I
don't. :-(
> You can try to reply to this thread ("grub2 loop back is not working")
> which is one of those that seem to trigger the annoying e-mail.
If I can, I will; No point in posting a message to that thread unless
I've got something to useful to say. Anything else is just noise.
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Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On 04/30/2012 12:11 PM, Camaleón wrote: Hello, Is just me who receives this sort of e-mails when replying to certain messages of this mailing list? I'm now getting this which pretends to be from myself so I guess the other posts I received were also faked in the same way. Yes, I received 2-3 but someone must have marked then as Spam on gmail. They have stopped now for me. Wayne -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f9effb5.9070...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Mon 30 Apr 2012 at 20:28:24 +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:28:30 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
>
> > Well, side-stepped, or buried, not really solved. :-)
>
> Yup, but what could I do? The annoying posts are not reaching the list
> neither Gmane's archive so... what do you suggest? I'm all ears O:-)
A first step is to determine where the mails originate from. It's the
only data you have.
> > Finally, FWIW, I didn't see anything from joe1 after my last post. Of
> > course, it could have been caught by a server-side spamtrap. Normally
> > though, emails of that type arrive and end up in the "unsure" pile that
> > bogofilter generates during mail import.
>
> You can try to reply to this thread ("grub2 loop back is not working")
> which is one of those that seem to trigger the annoying e-mail.
No it doesn't. Not for me, anyway. For you, maybe. And it could involve
replying to certain posters only.
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Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
In linux.debian.user, you wrote: > > I use Gmane and post/read to mailing lists by using a newsreader client: > > http://gmane.org/ > [caution: rant ahead] Argh -- I already *have* usenet access through NiN, and a very nicely detailed slrn config -- debian's list people should use a more competent mail2news gateway that doesn't suck and break threading, period full stop. This annoys the bejeepers out of me. To use gmane I have to figure out how to run 2 nntpervers, what a royal PITA. Why do they bother with creating the usenet group linux.deian.user and then break interoperability with the list from which the group is derived?! [/rant] Bah, I'll go have a cup of tea then maybe I'll face up to implementing this silly "gmane" kludge that absolutely should not be necessary. Damned frustrating. Or mMaybe I'll just subscribe the normal way and spend ridiculously long times loading my mail across this pitiful dialup connection. I'll have to think on it. Anyway, thanks Camaleón for pointing me at that website (which absolutely should not be necessary). -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120430220651.GA3352@radhesyama
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 05:06:51PM -0500, Indulekha wrote: > > [caution: rant ahead] > > Argh -- I already *have* usenet access through NiN, and a very nicely detailed > slrn config -- debian's list people should use a more competent mail2news > gateway > that doesn't suck and break threading, period full stop. This annoys the > bejeepers > out of me. To use gmane I have to figure out how to run 2 nntpervers, what a > royal > PITA. Why do they bother with creating the usenet group linux.deian.user and > then > break interoperability with the list from which the group is derived?! > > [/rant] > > Bah, I'll go have a cup of tea then maybe I'll face up to implementing this > silly "gmane" kludge that absolutely should not be necessary. Damned > frustrating. > Or mMaybe I'll just subscribe the normal way and spend ridiculously long > times > loading my mail across this pitiful dialup connection. I'll have to think on > it. > > Anyway, thanks Camaleón for pointing me at that website (which absolutely > should > not be necessary). > Ok, so I subscribed the "normal" way, and I'll just periodically purge the mails to avoid waiting for 857,000 emails to load over dialup. I don't like it though, and it really strikes me as incredibly obvious that there's just no excuse for the silliness of no header interoperability between the mailing list and the usenet group. Apparently for the sake of someone's ego being tickled by having "bofh" in their custom headers. Flippin' weenie... Glad I got that off my chest, I feel better now. :) -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120501011136.GA2449@radhesyama
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 23:17:46 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Mon 30 Apr 2012 at 20:28:24 +, Camaleón wrote: > >> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:28:30 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: >> >> > Well, side-stepped, or buried, not really solved. :-) >> >> Yup, but what could I do? The annoying posts are not reaching the list >> neither Gmane's archive so... what do you suggest? I'm all ears O:-) > > A first step is to determine where the mails originate from. It's the > only data you have. (...) E-mail headers say not much (see the link). At least seems to come from a genuine Gmail account: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Lz8eFuTe "X-Mailer" and "Message-Id" gives some clues about the origin but nothing on why I/we get the posts :-? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jnogpm$d12$2...@dough.gmane.org
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:11:36 -0500, Indulekha wrote: > On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 05:06:51PM -0500, Indulekha wrote: >> >> [caution: rant ahead] >> >> Argh -- I already *have* usenet access through NiN, and a very nicely >> detailed slrn config -- debian's list people should use a more >> competent mail2news gateway that doesn't suck and break threading, >> period full stop. This annoys the bejeepers out of me. To use gmane I >> have to figure out how to run 2 nntpervers, what a royal PITA. Why do >> they bother with creating the usenet group linux.deian.user and then >> break interoperability with the list from which the group is derived?! >> >> [/rant] Maybe is that I missed something but AFAIK, Debian does not have a mail2news gateway, at least nothing that's official. What people do to read the mailing lists from a newsreader is using a NNTP server or using Google Groups (which I don't recommend). >> Bah, I'll go have a cup of tea then maybe I'll face up to implementing >> this silly "gmane" kludge that absolutely should not be necessary. >> Damned frustrating. Or mMaybe I'll just subscribe the normal way and >> spend ridiculously long times loading my mail across this pitiful >> dialup connection. I'll have to think on it. >> >> Anyway, thanks Camaleón for pointing me at that website (which >> absolutely should not be necessary). ? Setting up Gmane (or another news server) is plain easy, I mean, for the client side. Another thing would be you have to configure you own nntp server as a local cache but that's another story... > Ok, so I subscribed the "normal" way, and I'll just periodically purge > the mails to avoid waiting for 857,000 emails to load over dialup. I > don't like it though, and it really strikes me as incredibly obvious > that there's just no excuse for the silliness of no header > interoperability between the mailing list and the usenet group. > Apparently for the sake of someone's ego being tickled by having "bofh" > in their custom headers. Flippin' weenie... > > Glad I got that off my chest, I feel better now. :) I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean nor what you are doing :-? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jnohaa$d12$3...@dough.gmane.org
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 08:04:38PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: > I am not receiving anything like that. Have you happened to post about > this issue earlier to this list or am I just imagining it? > > By the way, this looks like a reason to GPG sign everything, like I am > doing. There is sometimes arguing at gnupg-user and enigmail user about > should messages to mailing lists be signed or not. I think that there > was once such arguement here too in some of those multiple [OT] Posting > styles threads. That would achieve nothing for this case. A completely separate message is being sent in response. -- "Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet." -- Napoleon Bonaparte -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120501132352.GC20150@tal
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 04:11:37PM +, Camaleón wrote: > Hello, > > Is just me who receives this sort of e-mails when replying to certain > messages of this mailing list? > > I'm now getting this which pretends to be from myself so I guess the > other posts I received were also faked in the same way. I also received a couple, one which I replied to: The "--- Start ---" and "--- EOF " are NOT part of the message --- Start --- __ Type your response ABOVE THIS LINE to reply Re: Backup backup backup -- sound problem SOLVED using a backup 1QA4xxx2a | Apr 28, 2012 02:03AM UTC Thank you for submitting your request. We have received your request and are working on responding to you as soon as possible.+If you have any additional information to add to this case, please reply to this email. Thanks in advance for your patience and support. This message was sent to poenik...@fastmail.co.uk in reference to Case #79776. [[ea588062ec563e07cfb2e1aa2735fef0bf3c9d5e-1708023]] --- EOF By replying to it, I rec another message, which I deleted. I found the above in my sent directory. Notice "poenik...@fastmail.co.uk" is not my email address and I cannot remember whether Mika CC'd me. The sender was -- "Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet." -- Napoleon Bonaparte -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120501140420.GD20150@tal
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 08:28:24PM +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:28:30 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:52:05 + (UTC) Camaleón
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hello Camaleón,
> >
> >> That could be the common link for those who receive these messages
> >> (Indulekha is also using an external gateway and also gets them).
> >
> > Indeed, but I hadn't noticed that at the time I replied.
>
> Ah.. are you also using a news server?
I'm not using a news server.
> > YW.
> >
> > Finally, FWIW, I didn't see anything from joe1 after my last post. Of
> > course, it could have been caught by a server-side spamtrap. Normally
> > though, emails of that type arrive and end up in the "unsure" pile that
> > bogofilter generates during mail import.
>
> You can try to reply to this thread ("grub2 loop back is not working")
Mmmm, was that
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/04/msg01777.html ?
cause I'm fairly sure this was the second¹ and last one:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/04/msg01779.html
to which I recieved the automated? reply.
¹ See message earlier on in this thread.
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Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 05:10:13PM -0400, Wayne Topa wrote: > Yes, I received 2-3 but someone must have marked then as Spam on gmail. > > They have stopped now for me. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/04/msg01786.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/04/msg01792.html ? That means "J. Bakshi" and Tom H possibly recieved some? -- "Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet." -- Napoleon Bonaparte -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120501142517.GF20150@tal
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
El 2012-05-01 a las 11:04 -0500, Indulekha escribió: (sending back to the list) > On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 11:27:06AM +, Camaleón wrote: > > > > Maybe is that I missed something but AFAIK, Debian does not have a > > mail2news gateway, at least nothing that's official. What people do to > > read the mailing lists from a newsreader is using a NNTP server or using > > Google Groups (which I don't recommend). > > > > Apparently you don't have nntp access to actual usenet then? > There is def a newsgroup, linux.debian.user, which is on usenet. > It uses a mail2news gateway to duplicate this list, and it's > what I was using to read it. Someone thought it would be a good idea > to have cutesy headers, which break threading if you reply to this list > via that group. As I'd actually read this group there for over a year > before attempting to reply, that annoyed the living hell out of me. Is not that... yes, I'm using "linux.debian.user" but what happens is that Debian mailing lists are, well, "mailing lists", there's no native NNTP server managing the posts, they have to be converted from/to e-mail/news so what we (you and me) are using is more like an hybrid, in the end whatever handles the posts have to talk with a mailing list server software, not a "news" server and here is where the mess starts ;-) > > Setting up Gmane (or another news server) is plain easy, I mean, for the > > client side. Another thing would be you have to configure you own nntp > > server as a local cache but that's another story... > > > > Been using news.individual.net for years now, at times with leafnode. > The issue is "let usenet work as it always did". > I fondly remember the days when usenet was actually informative and > useful. Yes, I'm old and sometimes quite cranky... > :) I did not use Usenet, I started at the times of IRC and then mailing lists and forums but after having used both systems (nntp and mailing lists) I still consider the former a must for todays "one-to-many" communication system. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120501163101.ga7...@stt008.linux.site
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 11:18:14AM +, Camaleón wrote: > On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 23:17:46 +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Mon 30 Apr 2012 at 20:28:24 +, Camaleón wrote: > >> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:28:30 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > >> > >> > Well, side-stepped, or buried, not really solved. :-) > >> Yup, but what could I do? The annoying posts are not reaching the list > >> neither Gmane's archive so... what do you suggest? I'm all ears O:-) > > A first step is to determine where the mails originate from. It's the > > only data you have. > E-mail headers say not much (see the link). At least seems to come from a > genuine Gmail account: > > http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Lz8eFuTe > > "X-Mailer" and "Message-Id" gives some clues about the origin but nothing > on why I/we get the posts :-? I have received spam from that joe1 also. I'm using the ML directly. This was triggered answering to a post titled "Installing packages from Wheezy in Squeeze". http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/05/msg00067.html -- Primary key fingerprint: AD8F BDC0 5A2C FD5F A179 60E7 F79B AB04 5299 EC56 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 06:31:01PM +0200, Camaleón wrote: > El 2012-05-01 a las 11:04 -0500, Indulekha escribió: > > (sending back to the list) > > > On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 11:27:06AM +, Camaleón wrote: > > > > > > Maybe is that I missed something but AFAIK, Debian does not have a > > > mail2news gateway, at least nothing that's official. What people do to > > > read the mailing lists from a newsreader is using a NNTP server or using > > > Google Groups (which I don't recommend). > > > > > > > Apparently you don't have nntp access to actual usenet then? > > There is def a newsgroup, linux.debian.user, which is on usenet. > > It uses a mail2news gateway to duplicate this list, and it's > > what I was using to read it. Someone thought it would be a good idea > > to have cutesy headers, which break threading if you reply to this list > > via that group. As I'd actually read this group there for over a year > > before attempting to reply, that annoyed the living hell out of me. > > Is not that... yes, I'm using "linux.debian.user" but what happens is > that Debian mailing lists are, well, "mailing lists", there's no native > NNTP server managing the posts, they have to be converted from/to > e-mail/news so what we (you and me) are using is more like an hybrid, > in the end whatever handles the posts have to talk with a mailing list > server software, not a "news" server and here is where the mess starts > ;-) > Well, the mail2news gateway does record the original headers before it cluelessly discards them, so it should be trivial to preserve them to be used appropriately for the sake of interoperability. It's quite annoying when people do things *almost* correctly for year after year when it's trivial to just do it correctly. Also, there were many other factors involved yesterday, so it was the wrong day for me to have to redo things I'd thought were already solved and I got a bit pissy over it. > > > Setting up Gmane (or another news server) is plain easy, I mean, for the > > > client side. Another thing would be you have to configure you own nntp > > > server as a local cache but that's another story... > > > > > > > Been using news.individual.net for years now, at times with leafnode. > > The issue is "let usenet work as it always did". > > I fondly remember the days when usenet was actually informative and > > useful. Yes, I'm old and sometimes quite cranky... > > :) > > I did not use Usenet, I started at the times of IRC and then mailing > lists and forums but after having used both systems (nntp and mailing > lists) I still consider the former a must for todays "one-to-many" > communication system. > Well, I miss the usenet we once had. In fact, there's not much reason left for me to renew my news.individual.net account in June and I doubt I will. The skriptkidz, spammers, and trolls have about driven everything useful away. They weren't kidding about the Eternal September! Oh well, here comes the future... I notice as I age it takes a bit more work to keep a clean slate and open mind. Worth the effort, though. :) -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120501170542.GD15438@radhesyama
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Tue 01 May 2012 at 11:18:14 +, Camaleón wrote: > E-mail headers say not much (see the link). At least seems to come from a > genuine Gmail account: > > http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Lz8eFuTe > > "X-Mailer" and "Message-Id" gives some clues about the origin but nothing > on why I/we get the posts :-? We'll assume the mail is a genuine one. X-Mailer: Assistly Support Platform Message-Id: <4f9d2b545f243_7dd5105746c...@portal.joegiglio.org> From: "debian-user@lists.debian.org" Return-Path: These point to desk.com and/or assistly.com as being the origin. Seems a respectable enough business, Received: from smtp.gmail.com \ (ec2-174-129-125-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com. \ [174.129.125.98]) Gmail received the mail from a cloud-based machine Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain \ of joe1assis...@gmail.com designates\ 209.85.220.182 as permitted sender) and is happy enough with it to use one of its machines to pass it on to your account. I do not understand why Subject: is different from the Re: Install a package from testing? in your mail at http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/04/msg01825.html Also In-Reply-To: is puzzling because this is the Message-id: for msg01825. Now for dates and times (taken from gmane) of the four posts in that thread: Nick Meyers 2012-04-28 22:19:58 GMT Chris Knadle 2012-04-28 22:56:41 GMT Camaleón 2012-04-29 11:20:23 GMT Camaleón 2012-04-29 11:50:52 GMT In the body of the fourth post is Apr 29, 2012 11:21AM UTC which presumably is the time at which joe1assistly claimed to receive the mail. This is about a minute after the third post in the thread. We can do a check with http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/04/msg01793.html where the date/time given in the body of the post is Apr 28, 2012 10:08AM UTC The second post in the same thread was made at 2012-04-28 10:07:31 GMT Coincidence? I'd be looking at something happening in the interaction between the poster and gmane. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120501172147.GY3883@desktop
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Tue, 01 May 2012 12:05:42 -0500, Indulekha wrote: > On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 06:31:01PM +0200, Camaleón wrote: >> > Apparently you don't have nntp access to actual usenet then? There is >> > def a newsgroup, linux.debian.user, which is on usenet. It uses a >> > mail2news gateway to duplicate this list, and it's what I was using >> > to read it. Someone thought it would be a good idea to have cutesy >> > headers, which break threading if you reply to this list via that >> > group. As I'd actually read this group there for over a year before >> > attempting to reply, that annoyed the living hell out of me. >> >> Is not that... yes, I'm using "linux.debian.user" but what happens is >> that Debian mailing lists are, well, "mailing lists", there's no native >> NNTP server managing the posts, they have to be converted from/to >> e-mail/news so what we (you and me) are using is more like an hybrid, >> in the end whatever handles the posts have to talk with a mailing list >> server software, not a "news" server and here is where the mess starts >> ;-) >> >> > Well, the mail2news gateway does record the original headers before it > cluelessly discards them, so it should be trivial to preserve them to be > used appropriately for the sake of interoperability. It's quite annoying > when people do things *almost* correctly for year after year when it's > trivial to just do it correctly. Also, there were many other factors > involved yesterday, so it was the wrong day for me to have to redo > things I'd thought were already solved and I got a bit pissy over it. Blame your mail2news gateway provider then. I don't experience that problem with Gmane :-) >> > Been using news.individual.net for years now, at times with leafnode. >> > The issue is "let usenet work as it always did". I fondly remember >> > the days when usenet was actually informative and useful. Yes, I'm >> > old and sometimes quite cranky... :) >> >> I did not use Usenet, I started at the times of IRC and then mailing >> lists and forums but after having used both systems (nntp and mailing >> lists) I still consider the former a must for todays "one-to-many" >> communication system. >> >> > Well, I miss the usenet we once had. > In fact, there's not much reason left for me to renew my > news.individual.net account in June and I doubt I will. The skriptkidz, > spammers, and trolls have about driven everything useful away. They > weren't kidding about the Eternal September! Gmane also does a good job when it comes to block the spam it reaches the lists. Oh, oh... now I feel like a "human-advertising" :-P > Oh well, here comes the future... > I notice as I age it takes a bit more work to keep a clean slate and > open mind. Worth the effort, though. :) And I can't but concur with that perception. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jnp743$d12$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Tue, 01 May 2012 18:21:47 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Tue 01 May 2012 at 11:18:14 +, Camaleón wrote: > >> E-mail headers say not much (see the link). At least seems to come from >> a genuine Gmail account: >> >> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Lz8eFuTe >> >> "X-Mailer" and "Message-Id" gives some clues about the origin but >> nothing on why I/we get the posts :-? > > We'll assume the mail is a genuine one. (...) Yeah, I share that feeling too. > I do not understand why Subject: is different from the > >Re: Install a package from testing? > > in your mail at > >http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/04/msg01825.html > > Also > >In-Reply-To: > > is puzzling because this is the Message-id: for msg01825. Well, "joe1" was replying to this message: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/04/msg01825.html Which matches with the "Subject" we can see in the headers of the pastebin: Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re=3A_=5BOT=5D_Mails_coming_from_=22joe=31assistly=40gmail=2Ecom=22_=28was=3A_Install_a=09package_from_testing=3F=29?= > Now for dates and times (taken from gmane) of the four posts in that > thread: (...) > Coincidence? I'd be looking at something happening in the interaction > between the poster and gmane. I can't really tell. It seems that other posters who don't use Gmane are also receiving the messages. Well, thanks a bunch for your detailed analysis, much appreciated :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jnp7th$d12$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 05:39:15PM +, Camaleón wrote: > > Blame your mail2news gateway provider then. I don't experience that > problem with Gmane :-) > > Gmane also does a good job when it comes to block the spam it reaches the > lists. Oh, oh... now I feel like a "human-advertising" :-P > Yes, it's having an effect... So, do you run leafnode and point it at nntp://news.gmane.org then? -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120501180157.GA17225@radhesyama
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Tue 01 May 2012 at 19:02:57 +0200, David Sastre Medina wrote: > I have received spam from that joe1 also. You wouldn't happen to still have, would you? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120501180108.GZ3883@desktop
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Tue 01 May 2012 at 17:52:50 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Tue, 01 May 2012 18:21:47 +0100, Brian wrote: > > > I do not understand why Subject: is different from the > > > >Re: Install a package from testing? > > > > in your mail at > > > >http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/04/msg01825.html > > > > Also > > > >In-Reply-To: > > > > is puzzling because this is the Message-id: for msg01825. > > Well, "joe1" was replying to this message: joe1assistly, surely? You received the mail a minute afterwards because of your posting through gmane. I imagine you will have sufficient other examples to be able to check on a pattern. [Snip] > > Now for dates and times (taken from gmane) of the four posts in that > > thread: > > (...) > > > Coincidence? I'd be looking at something happening in the interaction > > between the poster and gmane. > > I can't really tell. Classic fence-sitting. :) > It seems that other posters who don't use Gmane are also receiving the > messages. Let them post the headers and bodies then. Whatever is happening at gmane I think we can be certain the mails you got (and are still getting?) are not from other users on this list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120501183009.GA3883@desktop
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 07:01:08PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Tue 01 May 2012 at 19:02:57 +0200, David Sastre Medina wrote: > > > I have received spam from that joe1 also. > > You wouldn't happen to still have, would you? You mean if I still have a copy of the mail? -- Primary key fingerprint: AD8F BDC0 5A2C FD5F A179 60E7 F79B AB04 5299 EC56 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Tue 01 May 2012 at 20:50:14 +0200, David Sastre Medina wrote: > On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 07:01:08PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Tue 01 May 2012 at 19:02:57 +0200, David Sastre Medina wrote: > > > > > I have received spam from that joe1 also. > > > > You wouldn't happen to still have, would you? > > You mean if I still have a copy of the mail? Indeed I did. Leaving out 'it' was unintentional. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120501185315.GB3883@desktop
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 07:53:15PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Tue 01 May 2012 at 20:50:14 +0200, David Sastre Medina wrote: > > > On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 07:01:08PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > On Tue 01 May 2012 at 19:02:57 +0200, David Sastre Medina wrote: > > > > > > > I have received spam from that joe1 also. > > > > > > You wouldn't happen to still have, would you? > > > > You mean if I still have a copy of the mail? > > Indeed I did. Leaving out 'it' was unintentional. You'll have to excuse me, English is not my mother language, and I was unsure of the exact meaning of the question. Regarding the mail, I do have a copy, would you want me to send it to you off-list? -- Primary key fingerprint: AD8F BDC0 5A2C FD5F A179 60E7 F79B AB04 5299 EC56 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Tue 01 May 2012 at 21:04:33 +0200, David Sastre Medina wrote: > You'll have to excuse me, English is not my mother language, and I was > unsure of the exact meaning of the question. No problem; my fault in not being careful. > Regarding the mail, I do have a copy, would you want me to send it to > you off-list? No, please post it to the list. The body and *all* the headers. I cannot advise you how to get all the headers because I'm not familiar with all mail software. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120501191219.GC3883@desktop
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Tue 01 May 2012 at 20:12:19 +0100, Brian wrote: > I cannot > advise you how to get all the headers because I'm not familiar with all > mail software. Of course I can! You are using mutt. Hit the 'h' key. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120501191550.GD3883@desktop
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 08:15:50PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Tue 01 May 2012 at 20:12:19 +0100, Brian wrote: > > > I cannot > > advise you how to get all the headers because I'm not familiar with all > > mail software. > Of course I can! You are using mutt. Hit the 'h' key. Here you have: (opening and closing ascii-scissors are mine) 8<8<8<8<8<8<8<8< Delivered-To: d.sastre.med...@gmail.com Received: by 10.205.113.129 with SMTP id ew1csp101661bkc; Tue, 1 May 2012 09:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.38.167 with SMTP id h7mr18538279vdk.109.1335890794808; Tue, 01 May 2012 09:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mail-vb0-f46.google.com (mail-vb0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id du4si12637407vdc.43.2012.05.01.09.46.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 01 May 2012 09:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of joe1assis...@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.46; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of joe1assis...@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=joe1assis...@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Received: by mail-vb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id ff1so3736279vbb.5 for ; Tue, 01 May 2012 09:46:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:reply-to:to:message-id:in-reply-to:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-mailer; bh=ySOv2yU/S0o0bxzbmTa+XQpbI74U1KRsZCnxfG+tz/4=; b=PRnTJS6KBSRB4/SUNgp3ZWPXFIpugSlkCFIYcZKFPM5nKPLAQIuvLFPlOi9+Wsl0Q6 CwKA32jTUkwK7U/SXaH7bSgSW/1V8oRayml2++V/Ag/AC0EVowAX9XJs9O/FEDz0Y7Rg Y9LHxRS0IUyHX02BinG1vl8D735vxnCHxDLr+WajliOLtdu/rjJvTGohiVE2WbRwVILJ 3K0pXJg/AssBhAkeW7ZDJYM6Qy2Vax0sc3t+oczVN9qmwXWHAP1S56q6U0xB9I133767 riuYc925mYoknmAyxCBuFxSwGIVRCqO/IOMUUwAv/4v5SC8mCRFag5bSLVGkwoX8p6AZ BK/w== Received: by 10.52.65.134 with SMTP id x6mr21545426vds.60.1335890794397; Tue, 01 May 2012 09:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from smtp.gmail.com (ec2-174-129-125-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com. [174.129.125.98]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ic9sm32898578vdb.4.2012.05.01.09.46.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 01 May 2012 09:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 16:46:33 + From: Debian User List Reply-To: Debian User List To: d.sastre.med...@gmail.com Message-Id: <4fa0135e49286_622ddc940c...@portal.joegiglio.org> In-Reply-To: <20120501164540.gb4...@pris.crapsteak.org> Subject: Re: Installing packages from Wheezy in Squeeze Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=mimepart_4fa0136992aa4_642bdc940c37b X-Mailer: Assistly Support Platform Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable __ Type your response ABOVE THIS LINE to reply Re: Installing packages from Wheezy in Squeeze 1QA4xxx2a | May 01, 2012 04:46PM UTC Thank you for submitting your request. We have received your request and are working on responding to you as soon as possible. If you have any additional information to add to this case, please reply to this email. Thanks in advance for your patience and support. This message was sent to p...@pete.com in reference to Case #79988. [[2ca59bf4b6e60bc00b948018424ef725855c532b-1713169]] 8<8<8<8<8<8<8< -- Primary key fingerprint: AD8F BDC0 5A2C FD5F A179 60E7 F79B AB04 5299 EC56 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Tue 01 May 2012 at 21:28:41 +0200, David Sastre Medina wrote: > Here you have: (opening and closing ascii-scissors are mine) [Useful information snipped] Thank you. The mail you received is essentially the same as the one provided by Camaleón. It too was sent within a minute of your posting to the list. So was the one sent to Chris Bannister if we take into account the fact the clock on his machine is running eight minutes slow! You, Wayne Topa and Chris Bannister do not post through Gmane so its involvement appears less likely than I previously thought. Which still leaves the matter of what causes a mail to be sent to joe1assistly. I had a theory on the origin of the address in this line: > This message was sent to p...@pete.com in reference to Case #79988. It comes (I think) from the post you are replying to. In Camaleón's and Chris Bannister's case this works out. In your case I cannot check because I no longer have the original mails. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120501232139.GA32481@desktop
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Lu, 30 apr 12, 20:11:36, Indulekha wrote: > > Ok, so I subscribed the "normal" way, and I'll just periodically purge the > mails to avoid waiting for 857,000 emails to load over dialup. Not sure what you mean, but just about every mail retriever that I know of will not re-download mail unless told so. In order to save bandwidth you may want to use IMAP + downloading headers only ;) Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
I've now received such an email, in html, in reply to the partman-auto thread, addressed to mdrob...@appnexus.com (the OP) and cc'ing me and amaca...@galactic.demon.co.uk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=swb9wxkwv+zgpmrcoqznaymscmochdp4rsnjwuyxr1...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 11:49:00AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 30 apr 12, 20:11:36, Indulekha wrote: > > > > Ok, so I subscribed the "normal" way, and I'll just periodically purge the > > mails to avoid waiting for 857,000 emails to load over dialup. > > Not sure what you mean, but just about every mail retriever that I know > of will not re-download mail unless told so. > > In order to save bandwidth you may want to use IMAP + downloading > headers only ;) > That *is* what I do, as I said I'm stuck using an absurdly slow dial up connection. In this part of the country our phone lines are so bad my connection speed hovers between 1.5 and 5.9 kbps (no, not a typo)! If you've never experienced that, you probably wouldn't understand... Just opening an imap mailbox with more than a few hundred messages in it (with header caching) can take several minutes. It's the only real downside to living in this extremely rural area. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120502113859.GB5362@radhesyama
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
I received once... On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Indulekha wrote: > On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 11:49:00AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> On Lu, 30 apr 12, 20:11:36, Indulekha wrote: >> > >> > Ok, so I subscribed the "normal" way, and I'll just periodically purge the >> > mails to avoid waiting for 857,000 emails to load over dialup. >> >> Not sure what you mean, but just about every mail retriever that I know >> of will not re-download mail unless told so. >> >> In order to save bandwidth you may want to use IMAP + downloading >> headers only ;) >> > > That *is* what I do, as I said I'm stuck using an absurdly slow dial up > connection. In this part of the country our phone lines are so bad my > connection speed hovers between 1.5 and 5.9 kbps (no, not a typo)! > If you've never experienced that, you probably wouldn't understand... > Just opening an imap mailbox with more than a few hundred messages in > it (with header caching) can take several minutes. > It's the only real downside to living in this extremely rural area. > > -- > ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ > Indulekha > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120502113859.GB5362@radhesyama > -- -aft -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAGuaRCuvf0jPZW-3VEXecrXkpi=predbxpuqgbhkkgpzvd7...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Mi, 02 mai 12, 06:38:59, Indulekha wrote: > On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 11:49:00AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > In order to save bandwidth you may want to use IMAP + downloading > > headers only ;) > > > > That *is* what I do, as I said I'm stuck using an absurdly slow dial up > connection. In this part of the country our phone lines are so bad my > connection speed hovers between 1.5 and 5.9 kbps (no, not a typo)! > If you've never experienced that, you probably wouldn't understand... I've started using internet in the times of 33.6 and later 56 kbps, which is "only" 10 times better. Besides, for some strange reasons my connection at works is dead-slow sometimes (I'm talking just a few bytes/s download speeds), so yes, I understand. > Just opening an imap mailbox with more than a few hundred messages in > it (with header caching) can take several minutes. > It's the only real downside to living in this extremely rural area. You may want to try out something else than mutt, it downloads too much stuff under certain circumstances (see #496906 and references). Hope this helps, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 06:29:45PM +0600, Arif Hossain wrote: > I received this joe1 msg once... > Ok, well, that actually has nothing to do with me personally, or with the particular email you replied to, but I'm sorry you received spam. :) Please try to post to the list and post appropriately (not top-posting, being on-topic, and so forth) if possible, as I'm old and feeble and easily confused. Thanks, and best wishes. :) -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120502135257.GA1417@radhesyama
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Wednesday 02 May 2012 14:52:57 Indulekha wrote: > post appropriately (not top-posting, being > on-topic, and so forth) if possible, as I'm old and feeble and easily > confused. +1 ;-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201205021513.05261.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Tue, 01 May 2012 19:30:09 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Tue 01 May 2012 at 17:52:50 +, Camaleón wrote: >> > I do not understand why Subject: is different from the >> > >> >Re: Install a package from testing? >> > >> > in your mail at >> > >> >http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/04/msg01825.html >> > >> > Also >> > >> >In-Reply-To: >> > >> > is puzzling because this is the Message-id: for msg01825. >> >> Well, "joe1" was replying to this message: > > joe1assistly, surely? Yes. This is the "from" line where the name is faked to appear to come from the list: *** From: "debian-user@lists.debian.org" *** > You received the mail a minute afterwards because of your posting > through gmane. I imagine you will have sufficient other examples to be > able to check on a pattern. The only pattern I have is the sender of the posts :-? and after checking my Gmail Trash folder I can see that I'm still receiving e-mails coming from that address, generated by this same thread. > [Snip] > >> > Now for dates and times (taken from gmane) of the four posts in that >> > thread: >> >> (...) >> >> > Coincidence? I'd be looking at something happening in the interaction >> > between the poster and gmane. >> >> I can't really tell. > > Classic fence-sitting. :) :-) I can't fight against an unknown source. I could contact Gmail staff so they can consider removing the account but I'm afraid that will be of no effect at all. Well, I'll do anyway. >> It seems that other posters who don't use Gmane are also receiving the >> messages. > > Let them post the headers and bodies then. Whatever is happening at > gmane I think we can be certain the mails you got (and are still > getting?) are not from other users on this list. Still getting, yes. And yes, I now don't think these messages are coming from users on this mailing list, it looks more an automatism triggered by our (some?) posts here but I don't know what could be, tough the common link for those who receive the e-mails is indeed that we replied to posts here. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jnrgtn$iv6$2...@dough.gmane.org
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Tue, 01 May 2012 13:01:57 -0500, Indulekha wrote: > On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 05:39:15PM +, Camaleón wrote: >> >> Blame your mail2news gateway provider then. I don't experience that >> problem with Gmane :-) >> >> Gmane also does a good job when it comes to block the spam it reaches >> the lists. Oh, oh... now I feel like a "human-advertising" :-P >> >> > Yes, it's having an effect... > So, do you run leafnode and point it at nntp://news.gmane.org then? I've never used Leafnode before. Is a NNTP server, right? Let me take a look: http://leafnode.sourceforge.net/overview.shtml Okay, you will have to configure it to fetch the news messages from Gmane servers and only for the selected groups (not the whole tree) so you can read the articles locally. For the exact steps, I can't tell, but there must be some samples on how to proceed at the docs: /usr/share/doc/leafnode/examples/* /usr/share/doc/leafnode/README.Debian Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jnrhju$iv6$3...@dough.gmane.org
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 02:50:38PM +, Camaleón wrote: > On Tue, 01 May 2012 13:01:57 -0500, Indulekha wrote: > > > On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 05:39:15PM +, Camaleón wrote: > >> > >> Blame your mail2news gateway provider then. I don't experience that > >> problem with Gmane :-) > >> > >> Gmane also does a good job when it comes to block the spam it reaches > >> the lists. Oh, oh... now I feel like a "human-advertising" :-P > >> > >> > > Yes, it's having an effect... > > So, do you run leafnode and point it at nntp://news.gmane.org then? > > I've never used Leafnode before. Is a NNTP server, right? > > Let me take a look: > > http://leafnode.sourceforge.net/overview.shtml > > Okay, you will have to configure it to fetch the news messages from Gmane > servers and only for the selected groups (not the whole tree) so you can > read the articles locally. For the exact steps, I can't tell, but there > must be some samples on how to proceed at the docs: > > /usr/share/doc/leafnode/examples/* > /usr/share/doc/leafnode/README.Debian > Thanks, but I do already know how to run leafnode -- been doing that with news.individual.net for a few years. Just wondered if that's what you were using for gmane, sorry if I wasn't clear. Anyway, I think sticking with the straight list is probably fine for me at this point. It's always good to have alternative options if needed, but gmane seems a bit of a kludge to me frankly, and now there's that shadow of doubt cast by this whole "joelassistly" thing... (Though it may have nothing to do with gmane, but IDK). -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120502150436.GA1770@radhesyama
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On 05/02/2012 10:38 AM, Camaleón wrote: The only pattern I have is the sender of the posts :-? and after checking I received one yesterday from "Dan B" with the subject: ls sorting order change The mail agent is shown as "Assist Support Platform" a Winbloz program. Checked my Gmail account and it has been deleted on the gmail server. Here is the most header -- From - Tue May 1 20:59:45 2012 X-Account-Key: account2 X-UIDL: GmailId1370a3302d43afd5 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: X-Mozilla-Keys: Delivered-To: linux...@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.117.1 with SMTP id ka1csp116094lbb; Tue, 1 May 2012 13:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.67.19 with SMTP id j19mr8337740vdt.46.1335905944552; Tue, 01 May 2012 13:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mail-vx0-f181.google.com (mail-vx0-f181.google.com [209.85.220.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ib3si13119117vdb.18.2012.05.01.13.59.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 01 May 2012 13:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of joe1assis...@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.181; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of joe1assis...@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=joe1assis...@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Received: by mail-vx0-f181.google.com with SMTP id e1so1470838vcg.12 for ; Tue, 01 May 2012 13:59:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:reply-to:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:subject :mime-version:content-type:x-mailer; bh=3FU3UJDbaydHuXtPq5q2MdUuEbNvl0JiQ0pjO6uVVDI=; b=0LoH+cw39cTAVnoONBf1tF8IaGk4iD2qnaI0W4mMvRDEoJpTEj7Aleqibk7SO2CBW2 Ju+WvhO1LuXrywLpYwqJcjPiIts5VzBAhq3AKuOaDY6VMwbeZgDzMZCWbRN/x4L35NZL AEnRLU94zuCB32Uvl4b/9ZlWkWz1kbt/8hqG4RHQSsQI3QujassQ+jBbL+sVc+BpBN6i SrfxbI71zBEYSTYcwfw530YDteeKq6GMrReHK5yTonm026jxQQPe45KbbDo3Efrc4M2Q RLoTYSDHUqo+IFFj1JGo4BxGnvUAV0N+g+FBRF9X4d/1BqFYcU4Cc7Lwu0IKUxSYeHqf sL5w== Received: by 10.52.91.72 with SMTP id cc8mr23486308vdb.17.1335905944042; Tue, 01 May 2012 13:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from smtp.gmail.com (ec2-174-129-125-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com. [174.129.125.98]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hf9sm33830547vdb.7.2012.05.01.13.59.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 01 May 2012 13:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 20:59:02 + From: "debian-user@lists.debian.org" Reply-To: "debian-user@lists.debian.org" To: d...@kempt.net Cc: linux...@gmail.com Message-Id: <4fa04e833746d_2003417a58...@portal.joegiglio.org> In-Reply-To: <4fa0351f.8010...@kempt.net> Subject: Re: ls sorting order change Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=mimepart_4fa04e971a680_7c3c8b7c0c26f X-Mailer: Assistly Support Platform --mimepart_4fa04e971a680_7c3c8b7c0c26f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable __ Type your response ABOVE THIS LINE to reply -= --- Dan -= --- Wayne | MAY 01, 2012 04:58PM EDT On 05/01/2012 03:10 PM, Dan B. wrote: > What controls the order that the ls command uses for sorting names? > > > On a fresh Squeeze installation, ls seems to ignore leading "." > characters (it no longer lists all "hidden" files adjacent to each > other) and to ignore capitalization differences. > > It used to sort in standard/traditional Unix order (not ignoring any > characters, and ordering by order of characters in ASCII/etc. (as > opposed to by case-insensitive alphabetical order)). > > > What controls ls's sorting order? > > I haven't set any locale environment variable specifically for the > collation order, but I don't know what base LANG=3Den_US.UTF-8 setting > does. Does "en_US" imply that new sorting order? > > > How do I tell ls to work the way I've seen it work for decades? > Well man ls says " List information about the FILEs (the current directory by default). = Sort entries alphabetically if none of -cftuvSUX nor --sort is specifie= d." Guess you could start there. Hope this helps Wayne -- = To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org = with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian= .org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fa08677.6040...@gmail.com -= --- Dan | MAY 01, 2012 03:13PM EDT | Original message = What controls the order that the ls command uses for sorting names? On a
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Wed, 02 May 2012 10:04:36 -0500, Indulekha wrote: > On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 02:50:38PM +, Camaleón wrote: >> > So, do you run leafnode and point it at nntp://news.gmane.org then? >> >> I've never used Leafnode before. Is a NNTP server, right? >> >> Let me take a look: >> >> http://leafnode.sourceforge.net/overview.shtml (...) > Thanks, but I do already know how to run leafnode -- been doing that > with news.individual.net for a few years. So then? I already say how I read/post to this list and don't remember mentioning leafnode at all :-) > Just wondered if that's what you were using for gmane, sorry if I wasn't > clear. Nope, I use Pan (a newsreader client) to read/post here using Gmane, like if I were using a standard MUA. > Anyway, I think sticking with the straight list is probably fine > for me at this point. It's always good to have alternative options if > needed, but gmane seems a bit of a kludge to me frankly, and now there's > that shadow of doubt cast by this whole "joelassistly" thing... (Though > it may have nothing to do with gmane, but IDK). IMO, Gmane is one of the better/useful things there's now in the web, I don't know why you speak about it in that way. Anyway, I'm afraid you haven't understood what's going on with that "joe1..." posts :-/ Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jnrlbd$iv6$7...@dough.gmane.org
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On 2012-05-02, Indulekha wrote: > > -- > ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ > Indulekha I like your signature, hearts and eighth notes, if music be the food of love, play on... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnjq301c.3m3.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Wed 02 May 2012 at 14:38:47 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Tue, 01 May 2012 19:30:09 +0100, Brian wrote: > > > joe1assistly, surely? > > Yes. This is the "from" line where the name is faked to appear to come > from the list: > > *** > From: "debian-user@lists.debian.org" > *** The software used to generate the mail may very well be inept; it might even be trying to be helpful to the recipient. I doubt it is attempting to deceive. > > Let them post the headers and bodies then. Whatever is happening at > > gmane I think we can be certain the mails you got (and are still > > getting?) are not from other users on this list. > > Still getting, yes. > > And yes, I now don't think these messages are coming from users on this > mailing list, it looks more an automatism triggered by our (some?) posts > here but I don't know what could be, tough the common link for those who > receive the e-mails is indeed that we replied to posts here. As desk.com are the ones picking up mail from the list, only they are in a position to say from where they originate. Perhaps they have subscribed to debian-user. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120502185506.GC32481@desktop
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Wed 02 May 2012 at 11:21:14 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote: > On 05/02/2012 10:38 AM, Camaleón wrote: >> The only pattern I have is the sender of the posts :-? and after checking > > > I received one yesterday from "Dan B" with the subject: ls sorting order > change Dab B wasn't the sender. joe1assis...@gmail.com was - within a minute of your posting to debian-user. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120502190016.GD32481@desktop
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 06:42:22PM +, Curt wrote: > > I like your signature, hearts and eighth notes, if music be the food of > love, play on... > Thank you kindly. :) -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120502215558.GA1429@radhesyama
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 03:54:21PM +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 02 May 2012 10:04:36 -0500, Indulekha wrote:
>
> > On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 02:50:38PM +, Camaleón wrote:
>
> >> > So, do you run leafnode and point it at nntp://news.gmane.org then?
> >>
> >> I've never used Leafnode before. Is a NNTP server, right?
> >>
> >> Let me take a look:
> >>
> >> http://leafnode.sourceforge.net/overview.shtml
>
> (...)
>
> > Thanks, but I do already know how to run leafnode -- been doing that
> > with news.individual.net for a few years.
>
> So then? I already say how I read/post to this list and don't remember
> mentioning leafnode at all :-)
>
> > Just wondered if that's what you were using for gmane, sorry if I wasn't
> > clear.
>
> Nope, I use Pan (a newsreader client) to read/post here using Gmane, like
> if I were using a standard MUA.
>
Ah well, please excuse me and (as Emily Litella used to say) never mind
then. I thought you'd mentioned something about running a newsserver, and
so I wondered if it was leafnode. Perhaps I misunderstood. I know you
use Pan, but leafnode is newsreader agnostic.
> > Anyway, I think sticking with the straight list is probably fine
> > for me at this point. It's always good to have alternative options if
> > needed, but gmane seems a bit of a kludge to me frankly, and now there's
> > that shadow of doubt cast by this whole "joelassistly" thing... (Though
> > it may have nothing to do with gmane, but IDK).
>
> IMO, Gmane is one of the better/useful things there's now in the web, I
> don't know why you speak about it in that way. Anyway, I'm afraid you
> haven't understood what's going on with that "joe1..." posts :-/
>
Frankly, it doesn't appear anyone fully understands it, that was my
point. My poor mother (who of course is even more old and feeble than
I) is always falling for questionable things she finds on the internet,
and downloading glitzy, cutesy things to decorate her emails, and sending
those "e-greeting cards". Her laptop has to be wiped and reinstalled almost
every other month. Since I can't convince her to stop it, I have
a collection of about 60 mail filters to cover all the crap I get because
of her (not from her). This has made me wary...
So I meant no offense, but my motto in such matters is "caveat utilitor".
("let the user beware") You can continue to be the guinea pig (so to
speak); I'm the old lady in the white lab coat waiting to see what happens.
:)
--
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Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Wed, 02 May 2012 19:55:06 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Wed 02 May 2012 at 14:38:47 +, Camaleón wrote: > >> On Tue, 01 May 2012 19:30:09 +0100, Brian wrote: >> >> > joe1assistly, surely? >> >> Yes. This is the "from" line where the name is faked to appear to come >> from the list: >> >> *** >> From: "debian-user@lists.debian.org" >> *** > > The software used to generate the mail may very well be inept; it might > even be trying to be helpful to the recipient. I doubt it is attempting > to deceive. That's being too much kind. I prefer to think there's a diabolic self-awareness machine behind all this that is trying to fool all of us ... and conquer the world. Woah, ha, ha, ha... }:-) (well, okay, okay... just joking) >> Still getting, yes. >> >> And yes, I now don't think these messages are coming from users on this >> mailing list, it looks more an automatism triggered by our (some?) >> posts here but I don't know what could be, tough the common link for >> those who receive the e-mails is indeed that we replied to posts here. > > As desk.com are the ones picking up mail from the list, only they are in > a position to say from where they originate. Perhaps they have > subscribed to debian-user. :) He... damn social network! ;-) I just reported the involved account at Gmail's abuse system. I don't have any expectations this solves a thing but is all I can do by now. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jnugma$78r$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Wed, 02 May 2012 23:30:21 -0500, Indulekha wrote: > On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 03:54:21PM +, Camaleón wrote: (...) >> > Just wondered if that's what you were using for gmane, sorry if I >> > wasn't clear. >> >> Nope, I use Pan (a newsreader client) to read/post here using Gmane, >> like if I were using a standard MUA. >> >> > Ah well, please excuse me and (as Emily Litella used to say) never mind > then. I thought you'd mentioned something about running a newsserver, > and so I wondered if it was leafnode. Perhaps I misunderstood. I know > you use Pan, but leafnode is newsreader agnostic. Don't worry. No, I don't use a news server, only a news reader client to gather the messages from Gmane's servers. >> > Anyway, I think sticking with the straight list is probably fine for >> > me at this point. It's always good to have alternative options if >> > needed, but gmane seems a bit of a kludge to me frankly, and now >> > there's that shadow of doubt cast by this whole "joelassistly" >> > thing... (Though it may have nothing to do with gmane, but IDK). >> >> IMO, Gmane is one of the better/useful things there's now in the web, I >> don't know why you speak about it in that way. Anyway, I'm afraid you >> haven't understood what's going on with that "joe1..." posts :-/ >> >> > Frankly, it doesn't appear anyone fully understands it, that was my > point. (...) Well, we discovered that it has nothing to do with the posting method as both (either direct posts to the mailing list and those coming through Gmane) receive the messages. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jnuh13$78r$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On 2012-04-30, Indulekha wrote: > Can you actually post via usenet, and if so, how? > I tried that a few times, but my posts never showed up, > so I got the impression the mail2news thingie was strictly > one way. I rarely post, but am posting via Usenet now. See http://lists.bofh.it/listinfo/linux-gate Regards, Howard E. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/a0hf7afv4...@mid.individual.net
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 07:36:10AM +, Howard Eisenberger wrote: > On 2012-04-30, Indulekha wrote: > > > Can you actually post via usenet, and if so, how? > > I tried that a few times, but my posts never showed up, > > so I got the impression the mail2news thingie was strictly > > one way. > > I rarely post, but am posting via Usenet now. > > See http://lists.bofh.it/listinfo/linux-gate > Thanks Howard, that's very good to know. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120504075714.GA1849@radhesyama
Re: [OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com"
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 04.05.2012 10:57, Indulekha kirjoitti: > On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 07:36:10AM +, Howard Eisenberger > wrote: >> On 2012-04-30, Indulekha wrote: >> >>> Can you actually post via usenet, and if so, how? I tried that >>> a few times, but my posts never showed up, so I got the >>> impression the mail2news thingie was strictly one way. >> >> I rarely post, but am posting via Usenet now. >> >> See http://lists.bofh.it/listinfo/linux-gate >> > > Thanks Howard, that's very good to know. > I just received message from that email too. I'll attach it in case anyone is interested about it. - -- Mika Suomalainen gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 4DB53CFE82A46728 Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728 http://mkaysi.github.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPptujAAoJEE21PP6CpGcozXwP/3qhXem4JBUZ9BAEbIN+SqI/ 8xz0Tcn0jqz/2gV6wLTznMB79Yc3GbED0Kgw4j7V884U+8/U8ixF4Oaa2N5vWNYl oxMXFE5SyJdKfFGfxPR19y1HnvSYGzqf6OCCbt5s7HC5pkGp+xeVgtHLCNz6Og8W 0Bw6tdIktWopm/P3/gQMnB3ZA1s1VpAuKZ7saHM8BhUs5VQPDTijtYGGOI8eBbIn q/dVJTR7MjF21iFwdQ0fE15mVemXRV+VdT/H1vU2kk1xp0f1gIvVL9YnsDOOi6h8 s8SmfG2oGEGsiGK5ofOKCLHXx4CzOzhKK7GfCDMGC6CYrhVNTAqk6TFfsuY3USCo pZWD2804lieWmBAVquMJSQgfAg/saT9saFATF/1PC68kAVo21xV6e5Oxovo3CHsv G0rQCZ9zd4Hbf+JTFiMklEPjEf3VAKYhujn36eFmbmW0yhOfL3lU60ltO7NR7K7C RGRa+H0Gj85psAizk7FeLOQHi32QwEK0tCNo00IEjVUx+UPc5O0je6D8MtWwUXVh CswJvaUyFFnhRWMaGChYyZ/QsxrmIrJhteXwerUtnHmEM4odTXXOWgLzTSeEEmg2 ZcE48mbhTIq0fUttUAENmMdzgk96rokzJGKrFxweJLyuuYBPIqH5GhUC9t8RNH3D 6q6TmICC7FYEJ3ATuI2f =VHRB -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- Begin Message --- __ Type your response ABOVE THIS LINE to reply Re: Packaging Gimp 2.8 1QA4xxx2a | May 06, 2012 07:57PM UTC Thank you for submitting your request. We have received your request and are working on responding to you as soon as possible. If you have any additional information to add to this case, please reply to this email. Thanks in advance for your patience and support. This message was sent to mrr...@gmail.com in reference to Case #80294. [[15dea08704d20ae2c87a0bf907595cb65667061a-1714851]]--- End Message --- Re: Packaging Gimp 2.8.eml.sig Description: PGP signature
[OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com" (was: Install a package from testing?)
On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 17:19:58 -0500, Nick Meyers wrote: > Good evening all, Nick, Can you check if this e-mail is coming from you? *** Re: Install a package from testing? 1QA4xxx2a | Apr 29, 2012 11:21AM UTC Thank you for submitting your request. We have received your request and are working on responding to you as soon as possible. If you have any additional information to add to this case, please reply to this email. Thanks in advance for your patience and support. -- -- This message was sent to mysqluser...@hotmail.com in reference to Case #79870. -- -- *** This is the second time I get those replies from users on this list. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jnj9us$5ol$6...@dough.gmane.org
[OT] Mails coming from "joe1assis...@gmail.com" (was: grub2 loop back is not working)
On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:03:21 +0530, J. Bakshi wrote: > Thanks Your welcome. In the meantime... I'm receiving an e-mail for every reply I get from you in this list: *** 1QA4xxx2a | Apr 28, 2012 10:08AM UTC = Thank you for submitting your request. We have received your request and = are working on responding to you as soon as possible. If you have any add= itional information to add to this case, please reply to this email. Thanks in advance for your patience and support. -= --- This message was sent to baksh...@gmail.com in reference to Case #79825. -= --- *** Can you please check if this is coming from you and if so, configure whatever automatism triggers this message properly? :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jngs18$s83$1...@dough.gmane.org
