Re: [robertsharris@comcast.net: Re: Fw: Ga. Visit.]
Pigeon wrote: On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 01:00:57AM -0500, Brian Nelson wrote: Ehem. Mail-Copies-To: never. Doesn't mutt respect that header? Robert L. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thus spake Brian Nelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Rants/gpg-signed-mail.html Tell your father to stop using OE, or any other MS mailer. They're all broken and should never be used by anyone for any purpose. Unless, of course, you want to demonstrate how piss-poor MS software can be. Ok, I'll give him your phone number to call when he has questions and can't understand why the background on his mailer changed colors. He's 65 and has just learned windows in the last 2 years, uses his computer just to send email every other day so he's oh so motivated to learn something new every day instead of going out on the boat fishing or what not down in his Fla retirement village. Just because he uses windows doesn't mean he has to use quite possibly the worst piece of software *ever* written. There's a few relatively sane email clients available for windows. If he refuses to learn to use a new mailer, then he can live with opening signed mails as attachments, break virtually every rule of email netiquette, risk getting/spreading viruses, etc. I won't lose any sleep over it. OE sucks, but it does have the one merit that it's easy for someone who knows nothing about computers to Send And Receive An Email. Having got that far, everything else is a pain in the arse. I always wonder why no one mentions Netscape|Mozilla Messenger in this vein. It seems very easy to me, has good features, and the price is right. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [robertsharris@comcast.net: Re: Fw: Ga. Visit.]
Great, you can support him. He only pokes things and gets curious to break it once every week or so as it is. Throw in something new and it should only be a call every week and a half for about 2hrs each as you try to figure out what he changed and talk him through undoing it or re-installing it. He has learned this, it does what he wants and the guys at CompUSA tell him there's nothing wrong with it. If you can convince him to change more power to you. I've been trying to get him for 2 years now. I finally got him to BELIEVE that windows isn't the only gui out there after 4 years. Yes Outlook sucks harder than a hoover but it works for him, when he gets a virus I can tell him I warned you and when he spreads that to his friends I can repeat myself. However it works for everyone he exchanges email with EXCEPT me. As a result that looks to him like my Unix based email is broken, NOT his, and it only started happening when I started signing my email. You wanna try and convince him, feel free. I'm personally closer to just blacklisting his emails and telling him to call me when he wants to chat. Thus spake Brian Nelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Ehem. Mail-Copies-To: never. Doesn't mutt respect that header? Robert L. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thus spake Brian Nelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Rants/gpg-signed-mail.html Tell your father to stop using OE, or any other MS mailer. They're all broken and should never be used by anyone for any purpose. Unless, of course, you want to demonstrate how piss-poor MS software can be. Ok, I'll give him your phone number to call when he has questions and can't understand why the background on his mailer changed colors. He's 65 and has just learned windows in the last 2 years, uses his computer just to send email every other day so he's oh so motivated to learn something new every day instead of going out on the boat fishing or what not down in his Fla retirement village. Just because he uses windows doesn't mean he has to use quite possibly the worst piece of software *ever* written. There's a few relatively sane email clients available for windows. If he refuses to learn to use a new mailer, then he can live with opening signed mails as attachments, break virtually every rule of email netiquette, risk getting/spreading viruses, etc. I won't lose any sleep over it. -- Curse my natural showmanship! :wq! --- Robert L. Harris | PGP Key ID: FC96D405 DISCLAIMER: These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else. FYI: perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' msg20055/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [robertsharris@comcast.net: Re: Fw: Ga. Visit.]
On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 01:00:57AM -0500, Brian Nelson wrote: Ehem. Mail-Copies-To: never. Doesn't mutt respect that header? Robert L. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thus spake Brian Nelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Rants/gpg-signed-mail.html Tell your father to stop using OE, or any other MS mailer. They're all broken and should never be used by anyone for any purpose. Unless, of course, you want to demonstrate how piss-poor MS software can be. Ok, I'll give him your phone number to call when he has questions and can't understand why the background on his mailer changed colors. He's 65 and has just learned windows in the last 2 years, uses his computer just to send email every other day so he's oh so motivated to learn something new every day instead of going out on the boat fishing or what not down in his Fla retirement village. Just because he uses windows doesn't mean he has to use quite possibly the worst piece of software *ever* written. There's a few relatively sane email clients available for windows. If he refuses to learn to use a new mailer, then he can live with opening signed mails as attachments, break virtually every rule of email netiquette, risk getting/spreading viruses, etc. I won't lose any sleep over it. OE sucks, but it does have the one merit that it's easy for someone who knows nothing about computers to Send And Receive An Email. Having got that far, everything else is a pain in the arse. I quite like Forte Agent, it's just a little bit like a graphical version of mutt, sort of. It's a bit harder to get it going than OE but a lot nicer when you have. Its biggest problem is you can't read the help file with your background colour set to black. If you set it up for your father, I don't think he'd have much trouble using it. Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [robertsharris@comcast.net: Re: Fw: Ga. Visit.]
On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 06:51, Robert L. Harris wrote: Great, you can support him. He only pokes things and gets curious to break it once every week or so as it is. Throw in something new and it should only be a call every week and a half for about 2hrs each as you try to figure out what he changed and talk him through undoing it or re-installing it. He has learned this, it does what he wants and the guys at CompUSA tell him there's nothing wrong with it. If you can convince him to change more power to you. I've been trying to get him for 2 years now. I finally got him to BELIEVE that windows isn't the only gui out there after 4 years. Yes Outlook sucks harder than a hoover but it works for him, when he gets a virus I can tell him I warned you and when he spreads that to his friends I can repeat myself. However it works for everyone he exchanges email with EXCEPT me. As a result that looks to him like my Unix based email is broken, NOT his, and it only started happening when I started signing my email. You wanna try and convince him, feel free. I'm personally closer to just blacklisting his emails and telling him to call me when he wants to chat. Are you using armor style signing or the fancy attachment signing. Just using armor style should send out your messages in plain old text format with regular ASCII style junk at the bottom that contains your signature. -Alex signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[robertsharris@comcast.net: Re: Fw: Ga. Visit.]
Since I started using GPG to sign my emails my father is having issues with reading them. Here's description of what he's see'ing. I'm using the latest mutt from unstable. Anything one of us can set to get around this other than me turning off auto-signing? - Forwarded - I'm still using OutLook Express. Same that I have had since the cable hook-up last year. With the most recent mails from you, the messages come only as an 'Attatchment' that must be opened after the initial page of your mail is selected. I have to click on the paper clip icon, then select one of two attatchment designators, then select 'open' or 'save' ,then select 'continue'. Your message finally comes up in block formate in a seperate window. Maybe secure for you, but as I said, if I get something from someone like this form someone I am not expecting, or in a generic heading(i.e.,The info you asked for', 'A funny Joke', etc.) I won't open it. Some of your other recipiates may not also, and you might lose some mail. - End forwarded message - :wq! --- Robert L. Harris | PGP Key ID: FC96D405 DISCLAIMER: These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else. FYI: perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' msg19855/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [robertsharris@comcast.net: Re: Fw: Ga. Visit.]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 09:11:58AM -0500, Robert L. Harris spake thus: Since I started using GPG to sign my emails my father is having issues with reading them. Here's description of what he's see'ing. I'm using the latest mutt from unstable. Anything one of us can set to get around this other than me turning off auto-signing? Change your Mutt options to clearign your mail. I use this in my .muttrc: macro compose \CP Fgpg --clearsign\ny Sam - -- Sam Varghese http://www.gnubies.com What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+ANl2ZyXhknb+33gRAohEAJ9LkthIZH/OXkkMQvf3QaxXAZ+AUwCff+4y a7pyhsqDimzbD16Jyo/Z+ag= =60aA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [robertsharris@comcast.net: Re: Fw: Ga. Visit.]
Ok, I set that and will bounce it his way. Do you have an auto_view entry for application/pgp or application/pgp-signature? How do you have it set up? When mine is enabled it says it's not supported. Thus spake Sam Varghese ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 09:11:58AM -0500, Robert L. Harris spake thus: Since I started using GPG to sign my emails my father is having issues with reading them. Here's description of what he's see'ing. I'm using the latest mutt from unstable. Anything one of us can set to get around this other than me turning off auto-signing? Change your Mutt options to clearign your mail. I use this in my .muttrc: macro compose \CP Fgpg --clearsign\ny Sam -- Sam Varghese http://www.gnubies.com What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] :wq! --- Robert L. Harris | PGP Key ID: FC96D405 DISCLAIMER: These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else. FYI: perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' msg19937/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [robertsharris@comcast.net: Re: Fw: Ga. Visit.]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 03:33:23PM -0500, Robert L. Harris spake thus: Thus spake Sam Varghese ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 09:11:58AM -0500, Robert L. Harris spake thus: Since I started using GPG to sign my emails my father is having issues with reading them. Here's description of what he's see'ing. I'm using the latest mutt from unstable. Anything one of us can set to get around this other than me turning off auto-signing? Change your Mutt options to clearign your mail. I use this in my .muttrc: macro compose \CP Fgpg --clearsign\ny Ok, I set that and will bounce it his way. Do you have an auto_view entry for application/pgp or application/pgp-signature? How do you have it set up? When mine is enabled it says it's not supported. The only other options I have for GnuPG in my .muttrc are: source ~/.gnupg set pgp_sign_as=my_key_identifier Sam - -- Sam Varghese http://www.gnubies.com Woman begins by resisting a man's advances and ends by blocking his retreat. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+AN1rZyXhknb+33gRAqeBAJ9ysWVviJmg+uj4VKbsUwodyVuesgCeLfy0 ayQ996X9kGjWFWU54IKsezA= =fF93 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [robertsharris@comcast.net: Re: Fw: Ga. Visit.]
Robert L. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since I started using GPG to sign my emails my father is having issues with reading them. Here's description of what he's see'ing. I'm using the latest mutt from unstable. Anything one of us can set to get around this other than me turning off auto-signing? - Forwarded - I'm still using OutLook Express. Same that I have had since the cable hook-up last year. With the most recent mails from you, the messages come only as an 'Attatchment' that must be opened after the initial page of your mail is selected. I have to click on the paper clip icon, then select one of two attatchment designators, then select 'open' or 'save' ,then select 'continue'. Your message finally comes up in block formate in a seperate window. Maybe secure for you, but as I said, if I get something from someone like this form someone I am not expecting, or in a generic heading(i.e.,The info you asked for', 'A funny Joke', etc.) I won't open it. Some of your other recipiates may not also, and you might lose some mail. - End forwarded message - http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Rants/gpg-signed-mail.html Tell your father to stop using OE, or any other MS mailer. They're all broken and should never be used by anyone for any purpose. Unless, of course, you want to demonstrate how piss-poor MS software can be. -- Curse my natural showmanship! msg19982/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [robertsharris@comcast.net: Re: Fw: Ga. Visit.]
Thus spake Brian Nelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Rants/gpg-signed-mail.html Tell your father to stop using OE, or any other MS mailer. They're all broken and should never be used by anyone for any purpose. Unless, of course, you want to demonstrate how piss-poor MS software can be. Ok, I'll give him your phone number to call when he has questions and can't understand why the background on his mailer changed colors. He's 65 and has just learned windows in the last 2 years, uses his computer just to send email every other day so he's oh so motivated to learn something new every day instead of going out on the boat fishing or what not down in his Fla retirement village. :wq! --- Robert L. Harris | PGP Key ID: FC96D405 DISCLAIMER: These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else. FYI: perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' msg20002/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [robertsharris@comcast.net: Re: Fw: Ga. Visit.]
Robert L. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok, I'll give him your phone number to call when he has questions and can't understand why the background on his mailer changed colors. He's 65 and has just learned windows in the last 2 years, uses his computer just to send email every other day so he's oh so motivated to learn something new every day instead of going out on the boat fishing or what not down in his Fla retirement village. FWIW, I switched my mother over to evolution form Win32/OE and she seems to be handling it pretty well. From this end, it is absolutely wonderful because I can rlogin to her box and fix things up for her. She's about that same age, too. Elizabeth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [robertsharris@comcast.net: Re: Fw: Ga. Visit.]
Ehem. Mail-Copies-To: never. Doesn't mutt respect that header? Robert L. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thus spake Brian Nelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Rants/gpg-signed-mail.html Tell your father to stop using OE, or any other MS mailer. They're all broken and should never be used by anyone for any purpose. Unless, of course, you want to demonstrate how piss-poor MS software can be. Ok, I'll give him your phone number to call when he has questions and can't understand why the background on his mailer changed colors. He's 65 and has just learned windows in the last 2 years, uses his computer just to send email every other day so he's oh so motivated to learn something new every day instead of going out on the boat fishing or what not down in his Fla retirement village. Just because he uses windows doesn't mean he has to use quite possibly the worst piece of software *ever* written. There's a few relatively sane email clients available for windows. If he refuses to learn to use a new mailer, then he can live with opening signed mails as attachments, break virtually every rule of email netiquette, risk getting/spreading viruses, etc. I won't lose any sleep over it. -- Curse my natural showmanship! msg20004/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
