2.6.15 doesn't see ide disks -- very bad [WAS: system hosed by udev in dist-upgrade]
On 1/22/06, Matt Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/22/06, Linas Zvirblis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try running MAKEDEV, it should give all the missing devices the old fashioned way. If that does not work, mknod /dev/hda b 3 0. tried this with no success -- /dev/hda10 still doesn't get recreated. Let me reiterate the main problem -- I tried to dist-upgrade my system (debian sid, about 6 months outdated, running on a blue white Mac g3), and when udev wouldn't install, I apt-getted a newer kernel to try again; rebooted, now my system doesn't find /dev/hda -- which is where my /var is located, which means apt-get doesn't work at all, so udev can't be installed... Trying to do a better job of diagnosingthis problem. I no longer think the problem is with udev per se, despite the fact that a udev incompatibility is what helped make the system unusable. I tried booting with my old (2.6.10) kernel found that the system boots properly, that hda is found the relevant partitions mounted, that my ethernet is recognized mounted. So the problem -- that, while my scsi disks are recognized mounted, my IDE disk isn't, and my ethernet isn't found -- is presumably to do with the stock 2.6.15-powerpc I installed in an effort to get udev installed my dist-upgrade complete. Unfortunately I do still need this kernel, so that I can finish my system-destroying dist-upgrade. I'm not sure how to proceed. my old kernel, 2.6.10, runs fine, but udev still blocks my dist-upgrade. I would try building a new 2.6.15 kernel based on my 2.6.10config, but the system is so badly screwed up right now (e.g. even gcc is only partly installed) that I don'tthink things like make-kpkg are working. so I'd appreciate help on either of 2 solutions: 1 - find a wayto downgrade udev undo the dist-upgrade, which I can temporarily put off until I get a 2.5.12+ kernel to work properly. 2 - with the system in this somewhat messed up state, figure out what's wrong with the 2.6.15 kernel fix it somehow I'm not especially optimistic -- but thanks for any help you canoffer! matt ps, in case anyone's wondering, I did look a little at my config-2.6.x files. while idedisk support is compiled into my old kernel, it's a module in the new, stock kernel; however, I used modconf successfully to add idedisk tothe running kernel; installation succeeded, but /dev/hda still wasn't recognized.I should perhaps say that my system was already screwed when I installed linux-image-2.6.15-1-powerpc, I had to manually wget dpkg -i various kernel tools -- yaird some mkinitrd tools as I recall. don't know if this is the root or the problem.
Re: 2.6.15 doesn't see ide disks -- very bad [WAS: system hosed by udev in dist-upgrade]
Matt Price wrote: On 1/22/06, Matt Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/22/06, Linas Zvirblis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try running MAKEDEV, it should give all the missing devices the old fashioned way. If that does not work, mknod /dev/hda b 3 0. tried this with no success -- /dev/hda10 still doesn't get recreated. Let me reiterate the main problem -- I tried to dist-upgrade my system (debian sid, about 6 months outdated, running on a blue white Mac g3), and when udev wouldn't install, I apt-getted a newer kernel to try again; rebooted, now my system doesn't find /dev/hda -- which is where my /var is located, which means apt-get doesn't work at all, so udev can't be installed... Trying to do a better job of diagnosingthis problem. I no longer think the problem is with udev per se, despite the fact that a udev incompatibility is what helped make the system unusable. I tried booting with my old (2.6.10) kernel found that the system boots properly, that hda is found the relevant partitions mounted, that my ethernet is recognized mounted. So the problem -- that, while my scsi disks are recognized mounted, my IDE disk isn't, and my ethernet isn't found -- is presumably to do with the stock 2.6.15-powerpc I installed in an effort to get udev installed my dist-upgrade complete. Unfortunately I do still need this kernel, so that I can finish my system-destroying dist-upgrade. I'm not sure how to proceed. my old kernel, 2.6.10, runs fine, but udev still blocks my dist-upgrade. I would try building a new 2.6.15 kernel based on my 2.6.10config, but the system is so badly screwed up right now (e.g. even gcc is only partly installed) that I don'tthink things like make-kpkg are working. so I'd appreciate help on either of 2 solutions: 1 - find a wayto downgrade udev undo the dist-upgrade, which I can temporarily put off until I get a 2.5.12+ kernel to work properly. 2 - with the system in this somewhat messed up state, figure out what's wrong with the 2.6.15 kernel fix it somehow I'm not especially optimistic -- but thanks for any help you canoffer! matt ps, in case anyone's wondering, I did look a little at my config-2.6.x files. while idedisk support is compiled into my old kernel, it's a module in the new, stock kernel; however, I used modconf successfully to add idedisk tothe running kernel; installation succeeded, but /dev/hda still wasn't recognized.I should perhaps say that my system was already screwed when I installed linux-image-2.6.15-1-powerpc, I had to manually wget dpkg -i various kernel tools -- yaird some mkinitrd tools as I recall. don't know if this is the root or the problem. There have been some problems with yaird IIRC so this may be your problem. Although I thought it was fixed now (dont use initrd). Couple of things to try. 1) boot from live cd and compile a kernel with 2.6.15 sources. 2) Grab a older kernel from testing 2.6.12 and dpkg-i that. 2) is probably easier. HTH Wackojacko -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2.6.15 doesn't see ide disks -- very bad [WAS: system hosed by udev in dist-upgrade]
On 1/23/06, Wackojacko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Price wrote: I'm not sure how to proceed. my old kernel, 2.6.10, runs fine, but udev still blocks my dist-upgrade. I would try building a new 2.6.15 kernel based on my 2.6.10config, but the system is so badly screwed up right now (e.g. even gcc is only partly installed) that I don'tthink things like make-kpkg are working. so I'd appreciate help on either of 2 solutions: 1 - find a wayto downgrade udev undo the dist-upgrade, which I can temporarily put off until I get a 2.5.12+ kernel to work properly. 2 - with the system in this somewhat messed up state, figure out what's wrong with the 2.6.15 kernel fix it somehow I'm not especially optimistic -- but thanks for any help you canoffer! matt ps, in case anyone's wondering, I did look a little at my config-2.6.x files. while idedisk support is compiled into my old kernel, it's a module in the new, stock kernel; however, I used modconf successfully to add idedisk tothe running kernel; installation succeeded, but /dev/hda still wasn't recognized.I should perhaps say that my system was already screwed when I installed linux-image-2.6.15-1-powerpc, I had to manually wget dpkg -i various kernel tools -- yaird some mkinitrd tools as I recall. don't know if this is the root or the problem. There have been some problems with yaird IIRC so this may be your problem. Although I thought it was fixed now (dont use initrd). Couple of things to try. 1) boot from live cd and compile a kernel with 2.6.15 sources. 2) Grab a older kernel from testing 2.6.12 and dpkg-i that. 2) is probably easier. HTH Wackojacko ok, hadn't thought about testing. will try (2) -- if that doesn't work, will attempt the abysmally slow (1) (only have Ubuntu livecd, which runs very slow on my aging g3). Unfotunately I think I do need an initrd -- my / is on a scsi disk so scsi support needs to be preloaded. I'll let you know the results soon... m -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2.6.15 doesn't see ide disks -- very bad [WAS: system hosed by udev in dist-upgrade]
On 1/23/06, Wackojacko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Price wrote: I'm not sure how to proceed. my old kernel, 2.6.10, runs fine, but udev still blocks my dist-upgrade. I would try building a new 2.6.15 kernel based on my 2.6.10config, but the system is so badly screwed up right now (e.g. even gcc is only partly installed) that I don'tthink things like make-kpkg are working. so I'd appreciate help on either of 2 solutions: 1 - find a wayto downgrade udev undo the dist-upgrade, which I can temporarily put off until I get a 2.5.12+ kernel to work properly. 2 - with the system in this somewhat messed up state, figure out what's wrong with the 2.6.15 kernel fix it somehow I'm not especially optimistic -- but thanks for any help you canoffer! matt ps, in case anyone's wondering, I did look a little at my config-2.6.x files. while idedisk support is compiled into my old kernel, it's a module in the new, stock kernel; however, I used modconf successfully to add idedisk tothe running kernel; installation succeeded, but /dev/hda still wasn't recognized.I should perhaps say that my system was already screwed when I installed linux-image-2.6.15-1-powerpc, I had to manually wget dpkg -i various kernel tools -- yaird some mkinitrd tools as I recall. don't know if this is the root or the problem. There have been some problems with yaird IIRC so this may be your problem. Although I thought it was fixed now (dont use initrd). Couple of things to try. 1) boot from live cd and compile a kernel with 2.6.15 sources. 2) Grab a older kernel from testing 2.6.12 and dpkg-i that. 2) is probably easier. HTH tried (2) -- found a 2.6.12 kernel there -- unfortunately the scsi drivertherein is broken, so nothing mounts at all (!). I did get a hint watching messages fly by -- I see that 2.6.12, at leastthe ubuntu version, detects cd before detecting the hd -- so it sees my partitions as hdcX. acompiling under a livecd is so slow, I have resorted to a variant -- installed server version of ubuntu onto a cleared partition on /dev/hda[c], and am trying to compile 2.6.15 from there. we'll see how it goes. whew! matt Wackojacko -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2.6.15 doesn't see ide disks -- very bad [WAS: system hosed by udev in dist-upgrade]
On (23/01/06 07:34), Matt Price wrote: To: debian users debian-user@lists.debian.org, debian users debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org From: Matt Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 2.6.15 doesn't see ide disks -- very bad [WAS: system hosed by udev in dist-upgrade] Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:34:40 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=no version=3.1.0 On 1/22/06, Matt Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: big snip so I'd appreciate help on either of 2 solutions: 1 - find a wayto downgrade udev undo the dist-upgrade, which I can temporarily put off until I get a 2.5.12+ kernel to work properly. 2 - with the system in this somewhat messed up state, figure out what's wrong with the 2.6.15 kernel fix it somehow I'm not especially optimistic -- but thanks for any help you canoffer! matt another snip If you haven't apt-get|aptitude cleaned, you may have an earlier version of udev in /var/cache/apt/archives. If so, just do, as root, dpkg -i udev_0.079-1_i386.deb (or whatever other udev...deb is there. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key 1024D/99421A63 2005-01-05 EE51 79E9 F244 D734 A012 1CEC 7813 9FE9 9942 1A63 gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 99421A63 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: 2.6.15 doesn't see ide disks -- very bad [WAS: system hosed by udev in dist-upgrade]
On 1/23/06, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On (23/01/06 07:34), Matt Price wrote: To: debian users debian-user@lists.debian.org, debian users debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org From: Matt Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 2.6.15 doesn't see ide disks -- very bad [WAS: system hosed by udev in dist-upgrade] Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:34:40 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=no version=3.1.0 On 1/22/06, Matt Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: big snip so I'd appreciate help on either of 2 solutions: 1 - find a wayto downgrade udev undo the dist-upgrade, which I can temporarily put off until I get a 2.5.12+ kernel to work properly. 2 - with the system in this somewhat messed up state, figure out what's wrong with the 2.6.15 kernel fix it somehow I'm not especially optimistic -- but thanks for any help you canoffer! matt another snip If you haven't apt-get|aptitude cleaned, you may have an earlier version of udev in /var/cache/apt/archives. If so, just do, as root, dpkg -i udev_0.079-1_i386.deb (or whatever other udev...deb is there. thanks john! that was the way forward -- did as you suggested, compiled a new 2.6.15 kernel that WORKS, and have now completed the dist-upgrade! now if only I could get gnome or kde to install... but I assume that's just an issue with kernel versions. thanks loads! m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key 1024D/99421A63 2005-01-05 EE51 79E9 F244 D734 A012 1CEC 7813 9FE9 9942 1A63 gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 99421A63 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFD1Re6eBOf6ZlCGmMRAi/4AKCsV6eKjYfijGbZtEXq5tbtcOrJ2wCgm0EX Y3q86gVU7ZDiAeMxZfcPXrc= =nWWC -END PGP SIGNATURE-
