Books on Debian
I wonder if the Debian team has any plan of publishing a book on how to install/use/administer a Debian system ?? I suspect people who are new to Linux and haven't decided which distribution to install may find the idea of a reference book very reassuring. Who knows, this may turn out to be the factor that tips the balance in favour of a Debian system over others. I know some people would say one doesn't need a book cause there are all those guides that come with the distribution. But for people who are new to Linux or who are reponsible for setting up and maintaining a network of Linux boxes, a complete reference book is a very attractive thing to have. I am about to install Linux on a Pentimum II box with 512MB of memory for some people. One of the thing they demand is the supply of a few reference books on the Linux distribution that I have installed so that they can learn to use and run the system themselves. Now, because there is not (correct me if I'm wrong) a book on Debain but there are books on Slackware, I think I would have no choice but to install Slackware instead of the Debian. Another setback !! Something for the team to think about. Cheers, H.C. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
books on debian
I am still new to linux, can somebody suggest me books on debian? Thanks. Fernando Cárdenas Universal Systems, Inc. 1356 East 3300 South Salt Lake City, Utah 84106 Phone (801)484-9151 Fax (801)467-8020 www.usicomputer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Books on Debian
New to debian, more of freebsd and other OS users (except MS, although not by choice at work), anyways, any good reading on using debian that anybody could recommend... TIA gene -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Books on Debian
On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, H.C.Lai wrote: > I know some people would say one doesn't need a book cause there > are all those guides that come with the distribution. But for people > who are new to Linux or who are reponsible for setting up and > maintaining a network of Linux boxes, a complete reference book is > a very attractive thing to have. Two problem(s) with a book: (a) you're really only buying a few pages of Debian-specific stuff which (b) is almost out-of-date before it's published. I'd far rather have just a good annotated bibliography of all the Debianised documentation. As I think I've said before, one really needs to be able to track down and consult documentation in the order Debian-specific Linux-specific Unix-specific > I am about to install Linux on a Pentimum II box with 512MB of > memory for some people. One of the thing they demand is the supply > of a few reference books on the Linux distribution that I have > installed so that they can learn to use and run the system themselves. If you want a /few/ books, you're going to have to widen your selection to Linux (generic) and probably even to Unix. Mind you, you could do this all from one publisher's list - O'Reilly (www.ora.com). -- David Wright, Open University, Earth Science Department, Milton Keynes MK7 6AA U.K. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: +44 1908 653 739 fax: +44 1908 655 151 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Books on Debian
David Wright wrote: > > Two problem(s) with a book: (a) you're really only buying a few pages of > Debian-specific stuff which (b) is almost out-of-date before it's > published. I'd far rather have just a good annotated bibliography of all > the Debianised documentation. As I think I've said before, one really > needs to be able to track down and consult documentation in the order > > Debian-specific > Linux-specific > Unix-specific > I agree with you entirely on these two points. To people who has installed and used Debian before, not having a book is no big deal. But for others who don't have a clue about Debian/Linux, convincing them that they don't need a book is not a very straight forward matter. In fact, some of them get very nervous on the suggestion that they might not be able to buy any book on that particular Linux distribution which they are about to get. I think a book in cases like these is more of a symbol for the peace of mind than anything else. My point is, having Debain's book on the shelves of bookshops raises the visibility of Debain and may actually encourage people to choose it over other distributions. H.C. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Books on Debian
On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, H.C.Lai wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > > > Two problem(s) with a book: (a) you're really only buying a few pages of > > Debian-specific stuff which (b) is almost out-of-date before it's > > published. I'd far rather have just a good annotated bibliography of all > > the Debianised documentation. As I think I've said before, one really > > needs to be able to track down and consult documentation in the order > > > > Debian-specific > > Linux-specific > > Unix-specific > > > > I agree with you entirely on these two points. To people who has > installed and > used Debian before, not having a book is no big deal. I also agree. Only a few pages of hardcopy are needed. Consider the candidate for a thick 'Complete Debian' type of book: 1) His hardware is too strange to get base and a few things installed. 2) He has no way to browse a CD. 3) He has no way to view web pages. 4) He can't send/receive email and use this list. 5) He can't print anything. He needs hardware, connectivity, or friends more than a book. A complete book would be a convenience to me, but I would rather spend the money on hardware. I have a lot of 'obsolete' hardware that is still productive. I can't say the same for most of the software and books that I purchased. If I had spent the money at a good restaurant, I would at least have some good memories for it. +--+ + Paul Wade Greenbush Technologies Corporation + + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.greenbush.com/ + +--+ + http://www.greenbush.com/cds.html Special Linux CD offer + +--+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Books on Debian
On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, H.C.Lai wrote: > My point is, having Debain's book on the shelves of bookshops raises the > visibility of Debain and may actually encourage people to choose it over > other distributions. Very true. I had heard about linux for some time before first trying it somewhere back arould kernel version 1.1. A book with a very poor version of Slackware was my start. The book was actually pretty useless. But without the book I would never have had the courage to try it. I often see people at the local Barnes and Noble requesting a linux book with a CD. This almost always means they start with Slackware ( as I did ) or Red Hat on occasion. My start with Debian came about 6 months ago. I found dselect and the rest of the packaging system confusing. Frustrating at that time was man pages that said they were not up to date - read the docs. The doc files also said they were not up to date - read the man pages. Now that was very circular and not at all helpful. Someone totally new to linux would probably be even more confused. Often those new to linux do not even know how to find and view the documentation. A book would make a nice security blanket :-) http://www.sound.net/~wpmills/ - : W. Paul Mills : Bill, I was there several years ago. : : Topeka, Kansas, U.S.A. : Why would I want to go back tomorrow?: : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Where were you! : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Linux: Tomorrow's operating system, : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] :here, today. : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : compuserve 70023,1750 : #define MY_TRUE_LOVE computer: -- http://homepage.midusa.net/~wpmills/ - -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Books on Debian
Paul Wade wrote: > I also agree. Only a few pages of hardcopy are needed. Consider the > candidate for a thick 'Complete Debian' type of book: > > 1) His hardware is too strange to get base and a few things installed. > > 2) He has no way to browse a CD. > > 3) He has no way to view web pages. > > 4) He can't send/receive email and use this list. > > 5) He can't print anything. > > He needs hardware, connectivity, or friends more than a book. > > A complete book would be a convenience to me, but I would rather spend the > money on hardware. I have a lot of 'obsolete' hardware that is still > productive. I can't say the same for most of the software and books that I > purchased. If I had spent the money at a good restaurant, I would at least > have some good memories for it. I have found that all I needed for Installation and Getting started with Debian are - * The Debian Installation instructions printed out * A book like 'The Linux Bible' which has all the HOWTOs and mini HOWTOs. In my case I had only one machine on my desktop and it happened to be the machine on which I was installing Debian. So my normal channel for surfing the web was cut off till I could get my box on net net. If that were not the case, one does not need the HOWTOs. Has anybody tried to convert Matt Welsh to Debian? If he starts using Debian I think he will change his excellent 'Installation and Getting Started' to deal with Debian instead of (shudder) Slackware. ;-) Sudhakar -- "I'm all for progress. It is change that I object to." -- Mark Twain Sudhakar Chandrasekharan(415) 937-2354 (O) International Web Engineer Type of Guy (415) 940-1896 (H) http://home.netscape.com/people/thaths/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Books on Debian
W Paul Mills wrote: > My start with Debian came about 6 months ago. I found dselect and > the rest of the packaging system confusing. Frustrating at that time > was man pages that said they were not up to date - read the docs. > The doc files also said they were not up to date - read the man pages. > Now that was very circular and not at all helpful. Someone totally > new to linux would probably be even more confused. Often those new > to linux do not even know how to find and view the documentation. A > book would make a nice security blanket :-) I think that is a good point -I have started using Debian (after a unsuccessfull try with an old german S.U.S.E.-distribution) aprox. 1 month ago -there are still many essential thing, which I don´t undertand and which are not working by now. One of the first problems I solved was how to get some orientation in the widespread -filesystem tree and how to use man-pages, HOWTO´s and readme-files. A good basic book about the concepts of (Debian)-Linux is very helpfull during the first time -when I am an experienced user, I will maybe think, that this was useless, but from today´s point of view, I can only underline what you have said. -- Bye, Marc Saric Visit http://www.rat.de/marc_saric/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Books on Debian
Almost sorta supprised that noone has mentioned the DBP (Debian Book Project) that I had started a few months back. URL is in sig. Mainly I started it for 2 main reasons, which are: 1) Publicity - I have seen about 12 books on linux (have 4 of them) they cover SlackWare and RedHat, well the new "Unleashing Linux" has a small section on Caldera's OpenLinux Lite. But for the most part it is only about those two. I found Debian myself by accident, otherwise I would be running RedHAd since that was the only dist. I had .. other than Slack which I had used before and disliked. It is known that Debian is mainly popular by word of mouth advertising. Most the people that do a first time instalation will go and buy a book on it, they have two choices; Slackware or RedHat .. I want to give them a third choice on the shelf: Debian 2) Documentation - I am one of them that "Old fashioned peopele" I liike to read printed materal rather than on a computer screen ... don't want to get any more blind ;) Personally, I would like to have everything I need printed together is an ordered, human readable format (Some of the howto's and man pages take 10 to 15 readings just to know what on earth they are doing). Mainly a book would be geared to the first time / begining debian user. People just feel more comfortable having a refernce book they can always refer back to. There are quite a few debian centered changes to this version of Linux; the main one being the install. 6 disks vs 30 or so ... Well, this is all from this jabber mouth .. I have webmaster type job thing to get back to now. Chad P.S. I am on IRC is anyone wants to talk to me .. either on an undernet server or the linpeople.org server in the channel #Debian .. I go by WildOne- there. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Chad D. Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Southwest Technology Development Institute New Mexico State University --- HP: http://dabcc-www.nmsu.edu/~chad/ DBP: http://dabcc-www.nmsu.edu/~chad/Debian/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: books on debian
Fernando Cardenas wrote: I am still new to linux, can somebody suggest me books on debian? Thanks. Have you checked the Debian Documentation page [1] yet? There are very few Debian-specific books - and I know of none more useful than what is already available electronically. Look in /usr/share/doc/[package] for documentation on installed packages. Some packages have a separate [package]-doc package with additional or full documentation on [package]. These separate documentation packages are usually listed in the "Suggests:" field for the package they provide documentation for. Use the apropos command to search installed man pages. The manpages-dev package may be useful to you as well. Is there anything more specific you are looking for? [1] http://www.debian.org/doc/ dircha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: books on debian
On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 02:12, dircha wrote: > Fernando Cardenas wrote: > > I am still new to linux, can somebody suggest me books on debian? > > Thanks. > > Have you checked the Debian Documentation page [1] yet? > > There are very few Debian-specific books - and I know of none more > useful than what is already available electronically. There is one published by Hungry Minds called Linux Bible (Debian Version). I have not used it but do have the Generic Linux (Red Hat/Suse/Mandrake based) and it was quite a good intro. Available online is Dwarfs Debian, by Dale Scheetz, which is good and the Debian Reference by Osamu Aoki at http://qref.sourceforge.net Non-debian specific but also good is the Linux Network Administrator Guide and The Linux System Administrators Guide both of which I (think) came from www.tldp.org Enjoy. Iain. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: books on debian
On (28/05/04 10:15), Iain Mac Donald wrote: > On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 02:12, dircha wrote: > > Fernando Cardenas wrote: > > > I am still new to linux, can somebody suggest me books on debian? > > > Thanks. > > > > Have you checked the Debian Documentation page [1] yet? > > > > There are very few Debian-specific books - and I know of none more > > useful than what is already available electronically. > > There is one published by Hungry Minds called Linux Bible (Debian > Version). I have not used it but do have the Generic Linux (Red > Hat/Suse/Mandrake based) and it was quite a good intro. > > Available online is Dwarfs Debian, by Dale Scheetz, which is good and > the Debian Reference by Osamu Aoki at http://qref.sourceforge.net > > Non-debian specific but also good is the Linux Network Administrator > Guide and The Linux System Administrators Guide both of which I (think) > came from www.tldp.org > > Enjoy. > > Iain. Also, have a look at Rute User's Tutorial & Exposition - great in depth intro to Linux and on your system you'll find the Linuxcookbook - if not: apt-get install linuxcookbook Regards Clive -- http://www.clivemenzies.co.uk strategies for business -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: books on debian
on Thu, May 27, 2004 at 08:12:11PM -0500, dircha ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Fernando Cardenas wrote: > >I am still new to linux, can somebody suggest me books on debian? > >Thanks. > > Have you checked the Debian Documentation page [1] yet? > > There are very few Debian-specific books - and I know of none more > useful than what is already available electronically. > > Look in /usr/share/doc/[package] for documentation on installed > packages. Some packages have a separate [package]-doc package with > additional or full documentation on [package]. These separate > documentation packages are usually listed in the "Suggests:" field for > the package they provide documentation for. > > Use the apropos command to search installed man pages. > > The manpages-dev package may be useful to you as well. > > Is there anything more specific you are looking for? > > [1] http://www.debian.org/doc/ Dittos on suggestions here. This is something of a FAQ and searching the list through Google for book suggestions should turn up general recommendations. There was a good list of basic docs mentioned a few months ago on the linux-elitists list. Again, Google for it. Basically: general GNU/Linux documentation, particularly the series from O'Reilly, Prentice Hall, New Riders, and a few other imprints, is recommended. If you must have "dead tree" documentation. There are literally tens of thousands of pages of docs on a typical installation (I posted on this a few weeks ago and an item made Debian Weekly News). For Debian, in addition to standard docs, you want to: - Understand the packaging system. That's covered in Debian Policy and the apt-get, aptitude, and dpkg documentation. - Read the installation manual. Particularly if you're having trouble installing stuff. - Read the user and administration manuals. - Read Osamu Aoki's somewhat unofficial Debian Tips page. - Skim through Rick Moen's knowledgebase articles on Debian at http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Debian/ A lot of understanding just comes through using the system. It's sort of cultural in regards. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Verio webhosting? Guaranteed downtime: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,57011,00.html http://www.dowethics.com/r/environment/freedom.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: books on debian
> On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 02:12, dircha wrote: >> Fernando Cardenas wrote: >> > I am still new to linux, can somebody suggest me books on debian? >> > Thanks. Unix Power tools is always a great reference as well -> 3rd edition ! Linux Server Hacks as well... These are not "Intro" books but great references and how tos. -- Trev Thorpe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: books on debian
Hi Fernando On Thu, 2004-05-27 at 22:41, Fernando Cardenas wrote: > I am still new to linux, can somebody suggest me books on debian? [ ... ] <http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/> You'll find there a book on Debian, too. From 1999, might be dated ... don't know .. I have here "Unix Primer Plus" - 1999 - (3rd edition: Don Martin, Stepen Martin et. al.), a real primer for beginners. It's about Unix, but I think if someone has learned and understood all what's in there, that might be an extremely good intro to Unix City. The book has some questions to answer at the end of each chapter, and the answers at the end of the book. I think it's out of print. Amazon obviously has it used for a few dollars. Although I've to admit I only read the first chapter ... I hope to find the time to read it completely .. Some don't like it, as it seems: <http://www.edu-books.com/UNIX_Primer_Plus_3rd_Edition_1571691650.html> On WWW: <http://www.aboutdebian.com/> <http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/> And Google. With its help you'll prolly find hundreds of docs. Some might be crap. Some helped me a lot. You'll know when Linux is crashing ... :) HTH Best Regards Wolfgang -- Profile, links: http://profiles.yahoo.com/wolfgangpfeiffer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Books on Debian
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 12:34:08PM -0800, Gene wrote: > New to debian, more of freebsd and other OS users (except MS, although > not by choice at work), anyways, any good reading on using debian that > anybody could recommend... Please look http://www.debian.org/doc If you ask me, "Install Manual" first and "Debian Reference" next (Because its me). Most books are old (pre-woody) except Dale Scheetz's http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#usersguide But I do not know this is online version. Real book, I do not know. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Books on Debian
> New to debian, more of freebsd and other OS users (except MS, although > not by choice at work), anyways, any good reading on using debian that > anybody could recommend... I am just finishing up Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 Unleashed. Great book. I highly recommend it. $7 used off Amazon. Worth every single penny. Andy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Books on Debian
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 09:06:09AM -0900, Andy wrote: > > New to debian, more of freebsd and other OS users (except MS, although > > not by choice at work), anyways, any good reading on using debian that > > anybody could recommend... > > I am just finishing up Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 Unleashed. > > Great book. I highly recommend it. $7 used off Amazon. > Worth every single penny. Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 Unleashed... Now here's a great book. Altough it's based on slink (don't look there if you want to configure Xfree 4.2), it has the fundaments. If you want to learn dpkg, apt-get, understand the boot process, or even some basic linux commands, this is it. Regards, P.S. Yes, I have one right next to my bed :) > > Andy > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- "My software never has bugs. It just develops random features." - Ricardo R. M. Diz Embedded Systems Lab Electric and Electronic Engineering @ Universidade de Coimbra Portugal Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Books on Debian
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 12:34:08PM -0800, Gene wrote: > New to debian, more of freebsd and other OS users (except MS, although > not by choice at work), anyways, any good reading on using debian that > anybody could recommend... O'Reilly has a book on Debian, though it's on an older version of Debian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Books on Debian
Howdy, * Joshua Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [021126 14:52]: > On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 12:34:08PM -0800, Gene wrote: > > New to debian, more of freebsd and other OS users (except MS, although > > not by choice at work), anyways, any good reading on using debian that > > anybody could recommend... > > O'Reilly has a book on Debian, though it's on an older version of Debian. For something fairly up-to-date: apt-get install rutebook Its not Debian specific, but I think it's a great overall Linux book, and it gives examples of how to do things for both .rpm and .deb based systems. Cheers, Nick. -- Debian testing/unstable Linux onefish 2.4.19-lavienx #1 Sat Sep 21 19:58:12 EST 2002 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
books on debian of a beginner nature?
Hi folks, Yes I know about the Linux Documentation project, and that there are howtos that are a part of the system itself, and on line.these are not the sort of books I mean however. I am thinking of external ones, I have a scanner, books with pages smiles. I just searched my local library for example, and found a debian bible 3 x circle 2005...too dated? Other authors / titles I might find? e-books are okay as well, as long as they can be easily accessed. For example while I found a debian for beginners e-book from the free technology academy, In Europe I think as the license references the European Union, the zip format seemed unusual. I prefer text to audio and as expressed am not looking for tutorials if that makes sense. Thanks in advance, Karen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1206131047400.36...@server1.shellworld.net
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
Well, one out there is the Debian Administrator's Handbook publicly available: http://debian-handbook.info/ That covers things at an intro level. Regards /Lars -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fd8ac7d@gmail.com
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
I don't know this, but it seems to be ok, so I bookmarked it sometime ago, when it was announced on this list http://debian-handbook.info/ . And I don't have the time to search for it now, but there are two brilliant ebooks for bash on English. I still know who recommended those books and will Bcc him. Hth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339600887.3485.150.camel@precise
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
[QUOTE]I am thinking of external ones, I have a scanner, books with pages smiles. I just searched my local library for example, and found a debian bible 3 x circle 2005...too dated? Other authors / titles I might find?[/QUOTE] The Debian Administrators Handbook The Debian System How Linux Works Running Linux Linux In A Nutshell A Practicle Guide To Linux Commands, Editors & Shell Programming Unix Power Tools These are some of my books; I think you will be wanting books that describe using the command line utilities & programs. Midnight Commander (MC) is your friend for file management & editing. mpg123 for your .mp3 files ogg123 for your .ogg files. Herrie or mp3blaster for a full screen music player. Mplayer if you want a movie player (doubtful). Mutt is the usual email program, or (e)pine. Lynx or Links (elinks) are your basic web browsers. These on top of a base Debian install, plus a screen reader. HTH. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339606964.6047.23.camel@hp-g62
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
Ponyland? On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 18:02 +0100, keith wrote: > Midnight Commander (MC) is your friend for file management & editing. Are you serious? > .mp3 For musicians MP3 crap? > Mutt is the usual email program, or (e)pine. "Usual MUA" for whom? I won't recommend anything else, even while I'm using something different. > Lynx or Links (elinks) are your basic web browsers. That's a joke, isn't it? C'mon! > These on top of a base Debian install, plus a screen reader. Regarding to screen readers and braille, MC, Mutt, Alpine etc. might be common, but perhaps some much more spread GUI apps are more comfortable, depending to the reason, to use a screen reader. Perhaps there isn't the need to use a screen reader or braille all the times and GUI based apps might be usable too?! We don't know the OP! 2 Cents, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339608145.8093.12.camel@precise
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
Thank you Gustin (Bcc) :) Forwarded Message From: Gustin [...] To: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: ebooks Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:19:21 -0600 Not Debian specific at all. Anyone writing scripts is likely to already know about these. http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/ http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ Hth, On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Sorry Gustin, I don't have access to old emails at the moment, but I remember that you recommended two excellent ebooks, how to write shell scripts, about globbing etc.. IIRC you at least payed much money to get one book bind by a copy shop. Do you still know the two ebooks? Btw. Debian list is an open list, so if you reply, don't reply to the list too, if you won't your email address public, without a replaced @-sign or something similar. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339608578.8093.14.camel@precise
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 19:22 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Ponyland? > > On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 18:02 +0100, keith wrote: > > Midnight Commander (MC) is your friend for file management & editing. > > Are you serious? > > > .mp3 > > For musicians MP3 crap? > > > Mutt is the usual email program, or (e)pine. > > "Usual MUA" for whom? I won't recommend anything else, even while I'm > using something different. > > > Lynx or Links (elinks) are your basic web browsers. > > That's a joke, isn't it? C'mon! > > > These on top of a base Debian install, plus a screen reader. > > Regarding to screen readers and braille, MC, Mutt, Alpine etc. might be > common, but perhaps some much more spread GUI apps are more comfortable, > depending to the reason, to use a screen reader. > > Perhaps there isn't the need to use a screen reader or braille all the > times and GUI based apps might be usable too?! > > We don't know the OP! > > 2 Cents, > Ralf > > > > If you are following this thread, you should have seen that she is using a dos based system, that's why I have recommended all cli apps! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339613526.2684.1.camel@hp-g62
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:01:26 -0400 (EDT), Karen wrote in message : ..newbie-doc online: http://developer.berlios.de/projects/newbiedoc/ ..newbie-doc deep in the woods: http://127.0.0.1/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/doc/newbiedoc/newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Index.html?type=html arnt@celsius:~/FG-git$ apt-cache show newbiedoc Package: newbiedoc Version: 0.8.0-2 Installed-Size: 1546 Maintainer: Vanessa Gutierrez Architecture: all Suggests: www-browser Description-en: Debian documentation FOR newbies BY newbies This is a snapshot of the documentation currently being developed by the Debian NewbieDOC project. See http://newbiedoc.berlios.de for the most recent versions, or if you wish to contribute eg by writing or editing articles. . Current release includes: * Help installing Debian GNU/Linux * Help installing software in Debian GNU/Linux * Help managing a Debian system * Help with network and internet * Help with multimedia in Debian * Help with printing * Help with programming . The documentation will be installed in /usr/share/doc/newbiedoc, and newbiedoc(1) is a script that starts a browser on the newbiedoc collection. Homepage: http://developer.berlios.de/projects/newbiedoc/ Description-md5: 8b0e6d835828f08d2753b73ac2946dc6 Tag: interface::web, made-of::html, role::documentation, suite::debian Section: doc Priority: optional Filename: pool/main/n/newbiedoc/newbiedoc_0.8.0-2_all.deb Size: 735608 MD5sum: 08673ec354bbcd5c6bbbaaf7bb476457 SHA1: 323e1ba78238af957cd902aefecea780a539627b SHA256: 35b953355276d80746019421224d897719dae9c5886b1c6998e8929b7df8f62b arnt@celsius:~/FG-git$ -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120613212125.6a06d...@celsius.lan
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:22:25 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 18:02 +0100, keith wrote: > > Midnight Commander (MC) is your friend for file management & > > editing. > > Are you serious? Why not? I use it on (GUI-less) servers and also when I need a file manager/editor working as root on my GUI workstation. Admin work rarely needs a heavyweight editor, and it's easier to avoid mistakes if I associate the sparse mc screen with root and GUI file managers with non-root working. > > > .mp3 > > For musicians MP3 crap? We are aware you have serious musical needs, but most of us don't. For background listening while working, just about any player will do. You need to be paying close attention to music, with a fairly good dynamic range available, for the shortcomings of MP3 to be noticeable. > > > Mutt is the usual email program, or (e)pine. > > "Usual MUA" for whom? I won't recommend anything else, even while I'm > using something different. Usual for command-liners. Again, on a server, that's what's there, and I can just about hack mutt well enough to move files around. I'm sure a few die-hards use mutt on GUI machines for personal correspondence, but I'm not really one for cold showers and early-morning runs. > > > Lynx or Links (elinks) are your basic web browsers. > > That's a joke, isn't it? C'mon! Yes, I think so. Text web browsers were just about useable ten years ago, but there are few leisure sites that will work text-only today. On the other hand, if you're only interested in technical Linux sites, or man pages for things you don't have installed, (server again..) it's fine. And if you only have one computer, and X throws a tantrum, it's the only way of getting Internet help to get it running again. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120613222714.3828b...@jretrading.com
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
ahem, I think I said, but it may have been lost in the mayhem of ideas. 1. I seek a single book, one that can either be read in the standard fashion, it has pages, or b, exists as a single file that can be read entirely off line...think of say a word processor like wordperfect, or a plain text reader. as I have no debian system at all yet, and want this information both before that install takes place now, and available in a format that need not require an installation, I think the information below does not fit my request. Karen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1206131724530.50...@server1.shellworld.net
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 22:27 +0100, Joe wrote: > Why not? I use it on (GUI-less) servers and also when I need a file > manager/editor working as root on my GUI workstation. Admin work rarely > needs a heavyweight editor, and it's easier to avoid mistakes if I > associate the sparse mc screen with root and GUI file managers with > non-root working. I'm not against MC or Norton Commander, but it's more common to use GUI file browsers today and at least the old KDE3 Konqueror is able to compare to MC and Norton's abilities. > > > .mp3 Perhaps a question of faith, OTOH some time ago a friend copied me the "Babes In Arms" from the MC5, because I lost my unplugged version of "Shakin' Street". No reason to sue me for owning an illegal copy, since those MP3s are very LoFi, even for MP3s there are different qualities available, however, I don't own an illegal copy. It's not that easy to get old pop and rock music that isn't remastered by loudness-war, once you lost the originals. > [snip] > > > Lynx or Links (elinks) are your basic web browsers. > > > > That's a joke, isn't it? C'mon! > > Yes, I think so. Text web browsers were just about useable ten years > ago, but there are few leisure sites that will work text-only today. On > the other hand, if you're only interested in technical Linux sites, or > man pages for things you don't have installed, (server again..) it's > fine. And if you only have one computer, and X throws a tantrum, it's > the only way of getting Internet help to get it running again. At least I agree that it's useful to have w3m installed, when you stuck in tty1, because X can't start. I still prefer to boot another of my several Linux installs, if some install is borked, because X again cause an issue, since I always have to struggle with text browsers. Btw. I'm only able to use vi(m), I don't like nano, emacs etc. and even vi(m) is a PITA for me. I dropped Wanderlust, just because I'm unable to "learn emacs" ;), really, "emacs" is, but not "elisp" is the issue. I prefer CLI, cd etc. to file browsers, but I prefer most apps as GUIs instead of text apps. - Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339624848.8093.165.camel@precise
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
will speak to what of this I can. On Wed, 13 Jun 2012, Joe wrote: .mp3 For musicians MP3 crap? We are aware you have serious musical needs, but most of us don't. For background listening while working, just about any player will do. You need to be paying close attention to music, with a fairly good dynamic range available, for the shortcomings of MP3 to be noticeable. Personally? I think I am allergic to poor mp3 quality! I am a professional, and I will avoid mp3s whenever possible. they exist for moving files in my book not as a substitution for real sound. When I file for national or international radio markets, its aif if I can choose, and .wav if I do not have a choice...same goes for my music.even if I send anything in mp3, it has been mixed in aif or wav before I compress and that compression is done with care. i firmly have the sort of musical and radio needs to tell the difference smiles. I really should have the real audio on my site compressed again, because quality sound equals big as a house. Mutt is the usual email program, or (e)pine. I use a shell service, and am doing this email in pine, we also have alpine here, but pine is and will remain my preference if I can do mail directly from my machine. More than likelihoods will be TELNETTing here to shellworld as I would be doing in dos right now if I had a dsl provider, see previous post. I am a command line only girl. Lynx or Links (elinks) are your basic web browsers. That's a joke, isn't it? C'mon! by no means. I use lynx, e-links which is more java script friendly, and links which also has java script abilities when compiled correctly every single day, many times a day. there are few command line options, and those that are out there are fortunately still under development. The edition of Lynx we have here on shellworld was put here on may of 2012. Lynx is regularly updated and I even have a recent dos edition that I am not using due to the dsl issue. If you are using a screen reader especially, the less graphical the better. I have stated that I use one, which means I have a reason for doing h this, no more need be said. Agreed there are many reasons for speech computing, as unique and individual as those who so choose...I imagine even a few who just want to work faster, since the human brain can process verbally with greater speed than visually. back to this though. I do not use the graphical aspects of DOS, because in general those can be a challenge using speech. back to command line browsers though. ebrowse is a fourth option, but I have not tried it yet. Unfortunately there has been little energy put into command line browsers that insure greater access to those using adaptive technology for whatever reason. it is a shame though since this can help with mobile platforms as well. Would love to interest someone with the talent in this, as there can be funding for it now...the development I mean More importantly though the w3c guidelines for those experiencing disabilities ties suggest site construction that insures browsers like lynx can still do the job. Internet super highway should include no matter the car. Karen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120613222714.3828b...@jretrading.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1206131748270.50...@server1.shellworld.net
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 18:43 -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Personally? I think I am allergic to poor mp3 quality! I am a professional, > and I will avoid mp3s whenever possible. they exist for moving files in > my book not as a substitution for real sound. When I file for national or > international radio markets, its aif if I can choose, and .wav if I > do not have a choice...same goes for my music.even if I send anything > in mp3, it has been mixed in > aif or wav before I compress and that compression is done with care. > i firmly have the sort of musical and radio needs to tell the difference > smiles. > I really should have the real audio on my site compressed again, because > quality sound equals big as a house. I never tested MP3 for radio, but I suspect they're ok, since the sound quality of radio transmission anyway is limited. FWIW FLAC (Free Lossless Audio Codec) does reduce the size for 50–60%. For radio I used analog tapes, with colored tapes as code and later DAT. I found a nice thread, unfortunately on German only, it's about radio terms that die out: http://www.radioforen.de/index.php?threads/aussterbende-radiobegriffe-% E2%80%93-alle-hier-rein.25497/ It seems today they don't use colored tapes anymore, since "Gelbband" (yellow tape) is one of this terms. Didn't read the complete German thread, but my favorite statement of terms that die out is "Qualität" (quality ;). > I use lynx, e-links which is more java script friendly, and > links which also has java script abilities when compiled correctly every > single day, many times a day. I'm to stupid, the text-based browsers lynx and w3m aren't self-explaining for me. I'm able to do only the bare necessities when using a text-based editor. Command line has advantages for some tasks, but a GUI and a mouse are very comfortable. - Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339648655.2085.23.camel@precise
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:32:54 -0400 (EDT), Karen wrote in message : > ahem, > I think I said, but it may have been lost in the mayhem of ideas. > 1. I seek a single book, one that can either be read in the standard > fashion, it has pages, or b, exists as a single file that can be > read entirely off line...think of say a word processor like > wordperfect, or a plain text reader. ..uh-oh ;o), I thought you would prefer "and" over "or" between the options. > as I have no debian system at all yet, and want this information > both before that install takes place now, and available in a format > that need not require an installation, I think the information below > does not fit my request. > Karen ..worst part of newbiedoc is its age, Etch was 5 years ago. ..you may want http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/ , details http://debian-handbook.info/about-the-book/ -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120614071857.77eb4...@celsius.lan
RE: books on debian of a beginner nature?
> >..you may want http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/ , >details http://debian-handbook.info/about-the-book/ > +1 for this, i just bought this book from the site in PDF format but will probably get the hardcopy. Coming from RHEL and Fedora land i was looking for a source based on Debian. this was the best i found. Pretty handy for me to hand as a reference. Includes installs through to configuring required services. Cheers, Nathan > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 07:18:57 +0200 > From: a...@c2i.net > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: books on debian of a beginner nature? > > On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:32:54 -0400 (EDT), Karen wrote in message > : > > > ahem, > > I think I said, but it may have been lost in the mayhem of ideas. > > 1. I seek a single book, one that can either be read in the standard > > fashion, it has pages, or b, exists as a single file that can be > > read entirely off line...think of say a word processor like > > wordperfect, or a plain text reader. > > ..uh-oh ;o), I thought you would prefer "and" over "or" between > the options. > > > as I have no debian system at all yet, and want this information > > both before that install takes place now, and available in a format > > that need not require an installation, I think the information below > > does not fit my request. > > Karen > > ..worst part of newbiedoc is its age, Etch was 5 years ago. > > ..you may want http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/ , > details http://debian-handbook.info/about-the-book/ > > -- > ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen > ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... > Scenarios always come in sets of three: > best case, worst case, and just in case. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120614071857.77eb4...@celsius.lan >
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
On 06/13/2012 05:01 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi folks, Yes I know about the Linux Documentation project, and that there are howtos that are a part of the system itself, and on line. these are not the sort of books I mean however. I am thinking of external ones, I have a scanner, books with pages smiles. I just searched my local library for example, and found a debian bible 3 x circle 2005...too dated? Other authors / titles I might find? e-books are okay as well, as long as they can be easily accessed. For example while I found a debian for beginners e-book from the free technology academy, In Europe I think as the license references the European Union, the zip format seemed unusual. I prefer text to audio and as expressed am not looking for tutorials if that makes sense. Thanks in advance, Karen actually, lots of people seems to forget about "debian reference". Its pretty nice to start in debian. It does not have smiles, but i think all the info its pretty basic, crucial to know and friendly. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ And of course the debian handbook you can google about greets! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fd99fd4.1090...@qindel.com
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On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 06:06:37PM +0300, Lars Noodén wrote: > Well, one out there is the Debian Administrator's Handbook publicly > available: > > http://debian-handbook.info/ > > That covers things at an intro level. I had the privilege and pleasure of working on the translation of this book, and can say that I learned a TON by working on it. I highly recommend it. Raphaël and Roland really know their stuff, but present it in a way that anyone can read. You can download it free in pdf form from that site, read it online at http://static.debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/index.html Or, if, like me, you prefer a Free (faif) format, I converted it to .djvu and have it at http://tonybaldwin.me/books/debian-handbook.djvu ./tony -- http://www.tonybaldwin.me all tony, all the time! 3F330C6E signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 05:21:27PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I don't know this, but it seems to be ok, so I bookmarked it sometime > ago, when it was announced on this list http://debian-handbook.info/ . > > And I don't have the time to search for it now, but there are two > brilliant ebooks for bash on English. I still know who recommended those > books and will Bcc him. > The Advanced Bash Scripting Guide is quite thorough: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ ./tony -- http://www.tonybaldwin.me all tony, all the time! 3F330C6E signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 07:22:25PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Ponyland? > > On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 18:02 +0100, keith wrote: > > Midnight Commander (MC) is your friend for file management & editing. > > Are you serious? Why not? MC is awesome. > > > .mp3 > > For musicians MP3 crap? Indeed. .flac or .ogg are much better choices, for various reasons (quality, freedom, etc.) > > > Mutt is the usual email program, or (e)pine. mutt rocks > > "Usual MUA" for whom? I won't recommend anything else, even while I'm > using something different. > > > Lynx or Links (elinks) are your basic web browsers. > > That's a joke, isn't it? C'mon! Lynx can even handle the gopher protocol! ;) ./tony -- http://www.tonybaldwin.me all tony, all the time! 3F330C6E signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 18:55 -0400, Tony Baldwin wrote: > The Advanced Bash Scripting Guide is quite thorough: > http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ There also is a beginners guide. On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 19:29 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/ > http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339742955.2650.54.camel@precise
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On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 08:49:15AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 18:55 -0400, Tony Baldwin wrote: > > The Advanced Bash Scripting Guide is quite thorough: > > http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ > > There also is a beginners guide. > > On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 19:29 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/ > > http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ Another great tutorial for beginners. Linux Shell Scripting Tutorial A Beginner's handbook http://freeos.com/guides/lsst/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120615074241.ga18...@panzer.verat.net
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 06:43:28PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Agreed there are many reasons for speech computing, as unique and > individual as those who so choose...I imagine even a few who just > want to work faster, since the human brain can process verbally with > greater speed than visually. > back to this though. Mmmm, surely it is faster to read something than to listen to someone reading it aloud? -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120615155545.GA7818@tal
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On Sat, 2012-06-16 at 03:55 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > Mmmm, surely it is faster to read something than to listen to someone > reading it aloud? Perhaps not if you're blind -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339779307.2293.0.camel@hp-g62
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 17:55 +0100, keith wrote: > On Sat, 2012-06-16 at 03:55 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > > Mmmm, surely it is faster to read something than to listen to someone > > reading it aloud? > > Perhaps not if you're blind Braille reading? Blind people have issues to type and to read at the same time, but just reading shouldn't be an issue for trained braille readers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339782914.2650.318.camel@precise
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 19:55 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 17:55 +0100, keith wrote: > > On Sat, 2012-06-16 at 03:55 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > Mmmm, surely it is faster to read something than to listen to someone > > > reading it aloud? > > > > Perhaps not if you're blind > > Braille reading? Blind people have issues to type and to read at the > same time, but just reading shouldn't be an issue for trained braille > readers. > > I bow to your greater knowledge as I believe you fit into that category from what I am reading on here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339785172.2504.2.camel@hp-g62
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 05:55:07PM +0100, keith wrote: > On Sat, 2012-06-16 at 03:55 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > > Mmmm, surely it is faster to read something than to listen to someone > > reading it aloud? > > Perhaps not if you're blind I doubt a blind person would be asking for printed books on Debian. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120615190945.GC18789@tal
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 19:32 +0100, keith wrote: > On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 19:55 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 17:55 +0100, keith wrote: > > > On Sat, 2012-06-16 at 03:55 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > > Mmmm, surely it is faster to read something than to listen to someone > > > > reading it aloud? > > > > > > Perhaps not if you're blind > > > > Braille reading? Blind people have issues to type and to read at the > > same time, but just reading shouldn't be an issue for trained braille > > readers. > > > > > I bow to your greater knowledge as I believe you fit into that category > from what I am reading on here. No knowledge, just a guess. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339792205.2650.334.camel@precise
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
On 15.06.2012 22:09, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 05:55:07PM +0100, keith wrote: >> > On Sat, 2012-06-16 at 03:55 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: >>> > > Mmmm, surely it is faster to read something than to listen to someone >>> > > reading it aloud? >> > >> > Perhaps not if you're blind.... > I doubt a blind person would be asking for printed books on Debian. This seems to be going offtopic but... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braille Blind person could ask books for Debian if they are written with Braille, but they might be more rare than normal books about Debian. -- [Mika Suomalainen](https://mkaysi.github.com/) || NOTICE! I am on mobile broadband with very limited time, so I cannot read emails very much. The best time to contact me is probably week ends when I have better connectivity with good luck. [gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 4DB53CFE82A46728](http://mkaysi.github.com/PGP/key.txt) || [Why do I sign my emails?](http://mkaysi.github.com/PGP/WhyDoISignEmails.html) || [Please don't send HTML.](http://mkaysi.github.com/articles/complaining/HTML.html) || [This signature](https://gist.github.com/2643070#file_icedove.md) || [Please reply below this line](http://mkaysi.github.com/articles/complaining/topposting.html) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
> > I doubt a blind person would be asking for printed books on Debian. > Blind person could ask books for Debian if they are written with > Braille, but they might be more rare than normal books about Debian. My English is broken, but perhaps the term "printed" isn't valid for braille. I suspect that for "big books" braille readers prefer ebooks to paper books. "Important Facts English Grade Two Braille Includes all of the paragraph headings in the New King James Version Eighteen hard-cover bound volumes - Four New Testament volumes - Fourteen Old Testament volumes Takes 60 inches of shelf space that is twelve inches high and twelve inches deep Weights just over 64 pounds Our current cost to produce each volume is $19.00 or $342.00 for a complete Bible." - http://www.braillebibles.org/kjv.htm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339838385.3429.66.camel@precise
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
On Wednesday 13 June 2012 16:01:26 Karen Lewellen wrote: > For example while I found a debian for beginners e-book from the free > technology academy, In Europe I think as the license references the > European Union, the zip format seemed unusual. There's a Linux for beginners, which makes use of Debian, and it is available in pdf. This has the advantage that one can enlarge it, but the disadvantage that you cannot change the font. And the FTA is indeed in Europe and is based in Holland. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201206162303.42660.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 4:19 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> > I doubt a blind person would be asking for printed books on Debian. > >> Blind person could ask books for Debian if they are written with >> Braille, but they might be more rare than normal books about Debian. > > My English is broken, but perhaps the term "printed" isn't valid for > braille. I suspect that for "big books" braille readers prefer ebooks to > paper books. Just so you know, "printed" is the the correct term when referring to braille writing. At least it's correct in US English. :-) -- Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOEVnYvp9CL60QDcOBKZ6bzK4yD7jwk=rgovqvvvbnjqn74...@mail.gmail.com
101% OT: books on debian of a beginner nature?
On Sat, 2012-06-16 at 03:55 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > Mmmm, surely it is faster to read something than to listen to someone > reading it aloud? Humans aren't equal. Even healthy ears differ a little bit. My better ear is the left ear, but to understand the contend of a spoken text, e.g. at the telephone, I'm listening with my right ear. I'm a dyslexic, when reading, words can become colored bars etc., but it can be easier to read a scientific text, than to listen to it, especially if a speech synth is reading the text. Watching and listening a film is relaxing, listening to an audio drama is exhausting for me. And even the light is important. Old bulb light makes it easier to understand a text for me, reading or listening, than energy-saving bulb light. It's verifiable that the result of IQ tests differ much, much, much more than just 3 points, regarding to the color of the room, where people do such tests, while in the past it was claimed they are +- 3 points exact. There are less "rules" for how to learn, that are true. To learn how to draw, some people need to learn some "tricks" about anatomy, perspective etc., while other people need to learn to use the right hemispherium cerebri, instead of the left. Most artists are left-hander, dyslexic or something that is related to the right hemispherium cerebri. Disability and gift often is the same, just seen from a different point of view. We do know less about how our senses really work, about how our brain really work. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339777876.2650.314.camel@precise
