Re: Cannot install Debian 12.1 on VirtualBox
On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 at 12:47, Andrey Dogadkin wrote: > Should you specifically need UEFI next time, an alternative solution > can be to temporarily disable KVM paravirtualization (default for > Linux-based guests). It can be reenabled back after you are done with > installation. See > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1036310 Thanks for that! I think I had searched the bug list but somehow did not find that bug. Glad to know that it has already been reported. There is plenty of detail in there so no need for me to add to it. I did a quick test a few minutes ago and can confirm that disabling paravirtualization fixes the issue, as stated in the last comment in the bug report. So it is good that there are two workarounds, and this one is better than disabling EFI in some use cases.
Re: Cannot install Debian 12.1 on VirtualBox
On Sat, 2023-08-12 at 23:26 +0100, Piscium wrote: > That was it, EFI! Normally when I install an OS on VB for the first > time, if it does not work with EFI I disable it, or vice versa. > However in this case I created this VM long ago, so it never occurred > to be that it would go backwards, so to speak, from working with EFI > to not working! Oh well, in hindsight it is obvious. Sometimes one > misses what is in front of one's nose! One reason I missed it is > because in my past experience if it does not boot due to EFI or not > EFI, it stops at the very beginning, unlike in this case where I got > to the first screen that has the menu for graphical install, etc. Should you specifically need UEFI next time, an alternative solution can be to temporarily disable KVM paravirtualization (default for Linux-based guests). It can be reenabled back after you are done with installation. See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1036310
Re: Cannot install Debian 12.1 on VirtualBox
On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 at 17:40, wrote: > I see there that he has two possible solutions: > > - Install 11, then upgrade to 12, which option you don't care for. > > - Install in legacy-boot mode, rather than in UEFI mode. > > Is the second option viable for you? That was it, EFI! Normally when I install an OS on VB for the first time, if it does not work with EFI I disable it, or vice versa. However in this case I created this VM long ago, so it never occurred to be that it would go backwards, so to speak, from working with EFI to not working! Oh well, in hindsight it is obvious. Sometimes one misses what is in front of one's nose! One reason I missed it is because in my past experience if it does not boot due to EFI or not EFI, it stops at the very beginning, unlike in this case where I got to the first screen that has the menu for graphical install, etc. Thanks for your help. However the root cause is still unknown, why Debian 11 and some earlier versions can be installed with EFI enabled in VB but not Debian 12. But I won't worry about that.
Re: Cannot install Debian 12.1 on VirtualBox
On Sat, 2023-08-12 at 14:02 +0100, Piscium wrote: > On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 at 13:35, wrote: > > > I notice on the video you provided a reference to not finding a > > virtual > > core keyboard, in addition to the xf86SetGamma message. Maybe > > there's > > something in the keyboard and/or USB settings for the VM? > There are USB settings in the VB VM configuration, however I believe > that those are to connect the USB devices directly to the VM. I am > not > doing anything fancy, it is just normal keyboard input. The keyboard > works because I press Return on it to start the installation, which > fails after that. If the keyboard did not work at all, pressing > Return > would do nothing. > > > I'm also wondering how much video memory you've given this machine; > > perhaps 12 needs more than 11 did? > For the display, I have allocated the maximum amount of memory > allowed > by VB, 128 MB. > > P. S. Here is the thread at the forum that I mentioned. In this case > the OP tried to do the non-graphical install and got the grey screen > (the same I get with the non-graphical install). I believe it is the > same underlying issue, only it manifests differently if one tries to > do graphical or non-graphical installation. > https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=155301 I see there that he has two possible solutions: - Install 11, then upgrade to 12, which option you don't care for. - Install in legacy-boot mode, rather than in UEFI mode. Is the second option viable for you? -- Kent
Re: Cannot install Debian 12.1 on VirtualBox
On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 at 13:35, wrote: > I notice on the video you provided a reference to not finding a virtual > core keyboard, in addition to the xf86SetGamma message. Maybe there's > something in the keyboard and/or USB settings for the VM? There are USB settings in the VB VM configuration, however I believe that those are to connect the USB devices directly to the VM. I am not doing anything fancy, it is just normal keyboard input. The keyboard works because I press Return on it to start the installation, which fails after that. If the keyboard did not work at all, pressing Return would do nothing. > I'm also wondering how much video memory you've given this machine; > perhaps 12 needs more than 11 did? For the display, I have allocated the maximum amount of memory allowed by VB, 128 MB. P. S. Here is the thread at the forum that I mentioned. In this case the OP tried to do the non-graphical install and got the grey screen (the same I get with the non-graphical install). I believe it is the same underlying issue, only it manifests differently if one tries to do graphical or non-graphical installation. https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=155301
Re: Cannot install Debian 12.1 on VirtualBox
On Sat, 2023-08-12 at 13:28 +0100, Piscium wrote: > On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 at 13:16, wrote: > > > How about selecting the non-graphical install (one downarrow-press > > away, I believe)? > > I had tried that too. In that case the screen becomes gray and > nothing > visible happens. Clearly something changed in Debian itself, because > in these tests I use the same VB vm, I only switch from one iso to > the > other and back keeping the rest of the configuration. I am using the > netinst isos, which are the recommended ones. Interesting I notice on the video you provided a reference to not finding a virtual core keyboard, in addition to the xf86SetGamma message. Maybe there's something in the keyboard and/or USB settings for the VM? I'm also wondering how much video memory you've given this machine; perhaps 12 needs more than 11 did? -- Kent
Re: Cannot install Debian 12.1 on VirtualBox
On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 at 13:16, wrote: > How about selecting the non-graphical install (one downarrow-press > away, I believe)? I had tried that too. In that case the screen becomes gray and nothing visible happens. Clearly something changed in Debian itself, because in these tests I use the same VB vm, I only switch from one iso to the other and back keeping the rest of the configuration. I am using the netinst isos, which are the recommended ones.
Re: Cannot install Debian 12.1 on VirtualBox
On Sat, 2023-08-12 at 11:44 +0100, Piscium wrote: > Installation of Debian 11.7 on VirtualBox works fine. This video > shows > the beginning of the process, I press Return on the default first > option, Graphics Install: > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tSRFAPvcO6YTkxPPinO0EQjnBMJWAegg/view?usp=sharing > > Installation of Debian 12.1 on VirtualBox fails at the beginning of > the process, again I press Return on the default first option, > Graphics Install. Basically the installer gets into a loop with an > issue in X: > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OtpFRPxewTOw0iVV-tMQIoM3c7sLSim9/view?usp=sharing > > A couple of weeks ago I searched the Debian Forums. Someone there had > the same issue. The solution found was to install 11.7 and then > upgrade to 12.1. I am sure that would work, however I wanted to ask > here if anybody knows another solution. Although I don't have a need > for a fix, it would be nice to know if there is one. This test was > done on a ArchLinux host on the desktop (I run Debian on my server, > in > case someone wants to know why I care about Debian!). > How about selecting the non-graphical install (one downarrow-press away, I believe)? -- Kent
Cannot install Debian 12.1 on VirtualBox
Installation of Debian 11.7 on VirtualBox works fine. This video shows the beginning of the process, I press Return on the default first option, Graphics Install: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tSRFAPvcO6YTkxPPinO0EQjnBMJWAegg/view?usp=sharing Installation of Debian 12.1 on VirtualBox fails at the beginning of the process, again I press Return on the default first option, Graphics Install. Basically the installer gets into a loop with an issue in X: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OtpFRPxewTOw0iVV-tMQIoM3c7sLSim9/view?usp=sharing A couple of weeks ago I searched the Debian Forums. Someone there had the same issue. The solution found was to install 11.7 and then upgrade to 12.1. I am sure that would work, however I wanted to ask here if anybody knows another solution. Although I don't have a need for a fix, it would be nice to know if there is one. This test was done on a ArchLinux host on the desktop (I run Debian on my server, in case someone wants to know why I care about Debian!).
