Re: Changing Boot Order -- Happiness!
On Sat 26 Mar 2016 at 22:44:36 (+), Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 26 March 2016 21:50:42 Felix Miata wrote: > > As long as PS/2 ports have existed, it's unfathomable that BIOS makers > > apparently still have not figured out how to have either port support a > > keyboard at POST time. Instead, many, or maybe most, have taken to > > providing only one, or none. > > I didn't know that the "wrong" one worked in the OS!! I last put the mouse > in > the keyboard one, and vice versa, in the days before they were colour coded, > when such errors were almost inevitable, and the result was that neither > worked in anything. So it didn't really matter, one just switched them > round. Since then I have been fanatically careful - and the colours make it > so easy. It is a revelation to me that a keyboard in the green PS2 > connection will work at all!! It all depends on the age of the motherboard. Another facility that's been around for years is running both a mouse and keyboard through a single PS/2 socket with a Y-connector. Cheers, David.
Re: Changing Boot Order -- Happiness!
Lisi Reisz composed on 2016-03-26 22:44 (UTC): > I didn't know that the "wrong" one worked in the OS!! I wasn't conscious of any such thing. Alan proved it does at least in Wheezy. > I last put the mouse in > the keyboard one, and vice versa, in the days before they were colour coded, > when such errors were almost inevitable, and the result was that neither > worked in anything. So it didn't really matter, one just switched them > round. Since then I have been fanatically careful - and the colours make it > so easy. Not so easy for those of use stuck using keyboards 25 years or more old. Everything newer either has Function keys in the wrong place for touch typing[1], or screwball cursor pads[2]. > It is a revelation to me that a keyboard in the green PS2 > connection will work at all!! Me too! [1] Function keys for touch typists shown here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northgate_Computers#/media/File:Omnikey102p3248.jpg [2] "screwball" cursor pad https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Gatewayanykey.jpg/1280px-Gatewayanykey.jpg -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: Changing Boot Order -- Happiness!
On Saturday 26 March 2016 21:50:42 Felix Miata wrote: > Alan McConnell composed on 2016-03-26 14:57 (UTC-0400): > >...I think it fortunate > > that this E-list contains an expert of the quality of... > > Please, let's not think of me so much expert as experienced. I can't count > the times I've fumbled a keyboard connector into the top port and found the > BIOS yammering keyboard failure. If I was a true expert it wouldn't have > taken me nearly two days to recognize you did the equivalent, or typed > purple when my brain knew green before sending my first thread reply of the > day. > > As long as PS/2 ports have existed, it's unfathomable that BIOS makers > apparently still have not figured out how to have either port support a > keyboard at POST time. Instead, many, or maybe most, have taken to > providing only one, or none. I didn't know that the "wrong" one worked in the OS!! I last put the mouse in the keyboard one, and vice versa, in the days before they were colour coded, when such errors were almost inevitable, and the result was that neither worked in anything. So it didn't really matter, one just switched them round. Since then I have been fanatically careful - and the colours make it so easy. It is a revelation to me that a keyboard in the green PS2 connection will work at all!! So you have taught me something too, Felix. (Not for the first time. :-) ) Lisi
Re: Changing Boot Order -- Happiness!
Alan McConnell composed on 2016-03-26 14:57 (UTC-0400): ...I think it fortunate that this E-list contains an expert of the quality of... Please, let's not think of me so much expert as experienced. I can't count the times I've fumbled a keyboard connector into the top port and found the BIOS yammering keyboard failure. If I was a true expert it wouldn't have taken me nearly two days to recognize you did the equivalent, or typed purple when my brain knew green before sending my first thread reply of the day. As long as PS/2 ports have existed, it's unfathomable that BIOS makers apparently still have not figured out how to have either port support a keyboard at POST time. Instead, many, or maybe most, have taken to providing only one, or none. -- Happiness is providing a solution for a baffling problem. Me :-) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: Changing Boot Order -- Happiness!
Alan McConnell wrote: ... > Yes. My keyboard was plugged into the _green_ port. (my > mouse is elsewhere). So I shut down, changed my keyboard > cord to the purple port . . . Voila! That did the > trick. I can now press F11 and Del and both work as > the manual says they should. Even the mouse, to my surprise, > makes its appearance. > > Mr Miata(should I write Signor? or Senor?), many thanks! > and I congratulate(and envy!) you for being so perceptive. > > And I thank all the rest of the debian-user membership > for being patient with me, and also thanks to those of you > who concerned youselves with this problem. It seems to me > that it wasn't an obvious problem given that so many > erroneous suggestions were made. I think it fortunate > that this E-list contains an expert of the quality of > Mr Mieta. great news! glad you got it working. :) songbird
Re: Changing Boot Order -- Happiness!
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 01:53:17PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > > *If* your motherboard has two round ports, stacked or side by side > depending on your orientation, it's time to take another look at > your motherboard's manual, in particular, the "Back Panel Quick > Guide" or similar that depicts the rear view of the ports. You > should see labels on the left end for the round PS/2 ports. The > upper is for a mouse. The lower is for the keyboard. The actual > mouse port should be green in color, the keyboard port purple. Yes. My keyboard was plugged into the _green_ port. (my mouse is elsewhere). So I shut down, changed my keyboard cord to the purple port . . . Voila! That did the trick. I can now press F11 and Del and both work as the manual says they should. Even the mouse, to my surprise, makes its appearance. Mr Miata(should I write Signor? or Senor?), many thanks! and I congratulate(and envy!) you for being so perceptive. And I thank all the rest of the debian-user membership for being patient with me, and also thanks to those of you who concerned youselves with this problem. It seems to me that it wasn't an obvious problem given that so many erroneous suggestions were made. I think it fortunate that this E-list contains an expert of the quality of Mr Mieta. Best wishes, Alan -- Alan McConnell : http://globaltap.com/~alan/ "It is a great advantage for a system of philosophy to be substantially true." (Sophia Loren)
