Re: Ctrl-alt-del to restart window manager with xfce in wheezy? [CONCLUSION]
On Sat 15 Jun 2013 at 12:32:52 -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:
> I usually activate ctrl-alt-bksp during the post-installation phase
> when I install/purge/configure stuff I want/don't-want that differs
> from the default installation. Some of that requires a reboot
> anyway, so using udevadm isn't necessary ("Don't force it -- use a
> hammer!") though thanks very much for the pointer. It's clear I've
> got a lot to learn about this area.
The udevadm command isn't exactly obvious, is it? But using it or doing
a reboot is needed. It hardly matters what you do if you get to where
you want to go.
> I'm perfectly happy with "ctrl-alt-bksp" -- I just want *some* one
> key combination I can remember to use for that purpose.
>
> Discovering that "ctrl-alt-del" started the screensaver was fun. It
> will be useful!
>
> Is /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols a good place to look for other
> interesting key combos?
More than likely.
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Re: Ctrl-alt-del to restart window manager with xfce in wheezy? [CONCLUSION]
On Jun 15, 2013, at 11:22 AM, Brian wrote:
At last! Udev does not know about what you have done, so one way of
beating it into submission is by rebooting. A gentler approach is
udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change
Sorry for all the fuss...
It's not a fuss but an interesting situation. Nowadays, most users
would
not know of ctrl-alt-backspace as a way of exiting X. The DEs have
seen
to that. But, for the present, it can still be used if you know how to
activate it, as you have discovered.
You asked about ctrl-alt-del (or some other key combination) to
close X.
Please look at /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/terminate:
partial default modifier_keys
xkb_symbols "ctrl_alt_bksp" {
key {
type="CTRL+ALT",
symbols[Group1] = [ NoSymbol, NoSymbol, NoSymbol, NoSymbol,
Terminate_Server ]
};
};
Changing 'key' to 'DELE' might be a thought. Except . . .
I usually activate ctrl-alt-bksp during the post-installation phase
when I install/purge/configure stuff I want/don't-want that differs
from the default installation. Some of that requires a reboot anyway,
so using udevadm isn't necessary ("Don't force it -- use a hammer!")
though thanks very much for the pointer. It's clear I've got a lot to
learn about this area.
I'm perfectly happy with "ctrl-alt-bksp" -- I just want *some* one key
combination I can remember to use for that purpose.
Discovering that "ctrl-alt-del" started the screensaver was fun. It
will be useful!
Is /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols a good place to look for other
interesting key combos?
Thanks to everyone for all the help!
Rick
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Re: Ctrl-alt-del to restart window manager with xfce in wheezy? [CONCLUSION]
On Sat 15 Jun 2013 at 00:30:52 -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:
> Well, I finally got a couple of free hours this afternoon. Here's
> what I did.
>
> The system I was having trouble with was one of my "testing"
> systems, so there wasn't much of importance on it. So I decided to
> re-install Wheezy from scratch and see how a really "fresh out of
> the box" system behaved. (For the record, the original system had
> some left-over cruft from previous experiments, and I don't know
> exactly how that might have affected the things I was seeing.)
>
> (1) I installed Wheezy from scratch with desktop=xfce from the
> netinst CD.
>
> (2) I looked at /etc/default/keyboard and noted no "XKBOPTIONS" line.
>
> (3) I tried "ctrl-alt-del" and "ctrl-alt-backspace". The second did
> nothing. The first started a screensaver.
Sounds right.
> (4) I ran "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" and changed the
> "Use Control+Alt+Backspace to terminate the X server?" option from
> "no" to "yes".
>
> (6) I looked at /etc/default/keyboard again and noted there now was
> a line with XKBOPTIONS="terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp".
This is expected after doing "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration".
> (5) I tried "ctrl-alt-del" and "ctrl-alt-backspace" again (without
> logging out or rebooting). As expected, no change from (3),
This will not work. Please see below.
> (6) I logged out, logged back in. I tried the experiment again. No
> change from (3).
This will not work. Please see below.
> (7) I rebooted and logged back in. I tried the experiment again.
> This time "ctrl-alt-backspace" restarted the X server. And
> "ctrl-alt-del" still started the screensaver.
At last! Udev does not know about what you have done, so one way of
beating it into submission is by rebooting. A gentler approach is
udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change
> So *somewhere* in the cruft on the old system was *something* that
> interfered with restarting the X server. But I don't have the
> energy to track it down. It will just have to remain one of life's
> little mysteries.
>
> Sorry for all the fuss...
It's not a fuss but an interesting situation. Nowadays, most users would
not know of ctrl-alt-backspace as a way of exiting X. The DEs have seen
to that. But, for the present, it can still be used if you know how to
activate it, as you have discovered.
You asked about ctrl-alt-del (or some other key combination) to close X.
Please look at /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/terminate:
partial default modifier_keys
xkb_symbols "ctrl_alt_bksp" {
key {
type="CTRL+ALT",
symbols[Group1] = [ NoSymbol, NoSymbol, NoSymbol, NoSymbol,
Terminate_Server ]
};
};
Changing 'key' to 'DELE' might be a thought. Except . . .
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Re: Ctrl-alt-del to restart window manager with xfce in wheezy? [CONCLUSION]
On Jun 12, 2013, at 1:10 AM, Rick Thomas wrote: Having asked the question, I owe the group answers. Unfortunately real life intruded its ugly head last week. I do plan to do the tests and report back as soon as I can. Well, I finally got a couple of free hours this afternoon. Here's what I did. The system I was having trouble with was one of my "testing" systems, so there wasn't much of importance on it. So I decided to re-install Wheezy from scratch and see how a really "fresh out of the box" system behaved. (For the record, the original system had some left-over cruft from previous experiments, and I don't know exactly how that might have affected the things I was seeing.) (1) I installed Wheezy from scratch with desktop=xfce from the netinst CD. (2) I looked at /etc/default/keyboard and noted no "XKBOPTIONS" line. (3) I tried "ctrl-alt-del" and "ctrl-alt-backspace". The second did nothing. The first started a screensaver. (4) I ran "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" and changed the "Use Control+Alt+Backspace to terminate the X server?" option from "no" to "yes". (6) I looked at /etc/default/keyboard again and noted there now was a line with XKBOPTIONS="terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp". (5) I tried "ctrl-alt-del" and "ctrl-alt-backspace" again (without logging out or rebooting). As expected, no change from (3), (6) I logged out, logged back in. I tried the experiment again. No change from (3). (7) I rebooted and logged back in. I tried the experiment again. This time "ctrl-alt-backspace" restarted the X server. And "ctrl-alt- del" still started the screensaver. So *somewhere* in the cruft on the old system was *something* that interfered with restarting the X server. But I don't have the energy to track it down. It will just have to remain one of life's little mysteries. Sorry for all the fuss... Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2f514139-e1ef-49ad-ac30-877c389ed...@pobox.com
Re: Ctrl-alt-del to restart window manager with xfce in wheezy?
Hi Brian, You are absolutely right! Having asked the question, I owe the group answers. Unfortunately real life intruded its ugly head last week. I do plan to do the tests and report back as soon as I can. Rick On Jun 11, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Brian wrote: He could consider providing the information he has been asked for in two posts. Whether the actual keyboard is a problem or not is unknown. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/865482de-ca47-43c6-aeab-bfe242e9a...@pobox.com
Re: Ctrl-alt-del to restart window manager with xfce in wheezy?
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 04:30:02 +0200, Rick Thomas wrote: I've got xfce window manager installed on pretty-much as it comes fresh-out-of-the-box Wheezy. I'd like to have -- restart the window manager. I've configured it to do so with "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard- configuration", but (even after a reboot) that doesn't seem to do the job. Anybody know what I'm missing? Thanks! Sorry to e-mail, I read the list on usenet and they won't let me post. from xfce4, left click in root window, Settings, Session and Startup, Application Autostart, Add Name it what you want, describe how you want, the command should be something like "setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp". I have this and also the /etc/default/keyboard entry XKBOPTIONS="terminate:ctl_alt_bksp" in a kind of belt and suspenders config method. BR -- Bert Riding rerid...@xmission.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130611215806.56473...@blacky.savageroad.com
Re: Ctrl-alt-del to restart window manager with xfce in wheezy?
On Tue 11 Jun 2013 at 20:28:00 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: > Am Dienstag, 11. Juni 2013 schrieb Brian: > > On Wed 12 Jun 2013 at 01:46:06 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 07:27:35PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: > > > > I've got xfce window manager installed on pretty-much as it comes > > > > fresh-out-of-the-box Wheezy. > > > > > > > > I'd like to have -- restart the window manager. I didn't write a single word of what is above. > Isn't it -- to kill the window manager? You can kill X with whatever key combination suits you. The one you cite can still can be used in Debian without too much fuss. > Or do I fail? Not necessarily. Gold stars are still up for grabs. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130611191745.GD11739@desktop
Re: Ctrl-alt-del to restart window manager with xfce in wheezy?
On 11/06/13 02:28 PM, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: Am Dienstag, 11. Juni 2013 schrieb Brian: On Wed 12 Jun 2013 at 01:46:06 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 07:27:35PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: I've got xfce window manager installed on pretty-much as it comes fresh-out-of-the-box Wheezy. I'd like to have-- restart the window manager. Isn't it-- to kill the window manager? Or do I fail? Hans Actually, it seems to depend on your window manager. Ctrl-ALt-BkSp does nothing on KDE. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51b76f6f.4010...@rogers.com
Re: Ctrl-alt-del to restart window manager with xfce in wheezy?
Am Dienstag, 11. Juni 2013 schrieb Brian: > On Wed 12 Jun 2013 at 01:46:06 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 07:27:35PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: > > > I've got xfce window manager installed on pretty-much as it comes > > > fresh-out-of-the-box Wheezy. > > > > > > I'd like to have -- restart the window manager. Isn't it -- to kill the window manager? Or do I fail? Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201306112028.00513.hans.ullr...@loop.de
Re: Ctrl-alt-del to restart window manager with xfce in wheezy?
On Mon 10 Jun 2013 at 10:37:28 +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > Try echo > 'XKBOPTIONS="lv3:ralt_switch,compose:caps,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"' >> > /etc/default/keyboard Does this do anything special? Or, putting it another way, does it do anything more than 'dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration' does for the situation Rick Thomas is in? He could consider providing the information he has been asked for in two posts. Whether the actual keyboard is a problem or not is unknown. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130611182651.GB11739@desktop
Re: Ctrl-alt-del to restart window manager with xfce in wheezy?
On Wed 12 Jun 2013 at 01:46:06 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 07:27:35PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: > > > > I've got xfce window manager installed on pretty-much as it comes > > fresh-out-of-the-box Wheezy. > > > > I'd like to have -- restart the window manager. > > > > I've configured it to do so with "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard- > > configuration", but (even after a reboot) that doesn't seem to do > > the job. > > > > Anybody know what I'm missing? > > JFTR, aside from anything else you have to do, regarding > --, check your /etc/inittab > > e.g. > less /etc/inittab > [...] > # What to do when CTRL-ALT-DEL is pressed. > ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now > [...] > > I don't run a DE, so don't know if the DE "overrides?" these settings. X itself (irrespective of DE or window manager) ignores this key combination. It is recognised in console mode only. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130611181417.GA11739@desktop
Re: Ctrl-alt-del to restart window manager with xfce in wheezy?
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 07:27:35PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: > > I've got xfce window manager installed on pretty-much as it comes > fresh-out-of-the-box Wheezy. > > I'd like to have -- restart the window manager. > > I've configured it to do so with "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard- > configuration", but (even after a reboot) that doesn't seem to do > the job. > > Anybody know what I'm missing? JFTR, aside from anything else you have to do, regarding --, check your /etc/inittab e.g. less /etc/inittab [...] # What to do when CTRL-ALT-DEL is pressed. ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now [...] I don't run a DE, so don't know if the DE "overrides?" these settings. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130611134606.GE18071@tal
Re: Ctrl-alt-del to restart window manager with xfce in wheezy?
- Original Message - From: "Rick Thomas" To: "debian-user List Debian" Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 10:27:35 PM Subject: Ctrl-alt-del to restart window manager with xfce in wheezy? >I've got xfce window manager installed on pretty-much as it comes >fresh-out-of-the-box Wheezy. > >I'd like to have -- restart the window manager. These days you can restart the X server with the following very complicated keystroke: ctrl-alt-SysRq-k SysRq is shift-printscreen, so the keystroke becomes: ctrl-alt-shift-printscreen-k I have no idea why they changed it, but I've got it committed to memory now. -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2060071543.27704766.1370956093695.javamail.r...@ptd.net
Re: Ctrl-alt-del to restart window manager with xfce in wheezy?
* Rick Thomas [2013-06-10 11:19 -0700]: > > On Jun 10, 2013, at 1:37 AM, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > > >Try echo > >'XKBOPTIONS="lv3:ralt_switch,compose:caps,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"' >> > >/etc/default/keyboard > > > >Elimar > > Thanks, Elimar. > > I'll give it a try. Can you give me a pointer to some place where the > options in /etc/default/keyboard are defined? The file /etc/default/keyboard is part of package console-setup. See also http://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard Elimar -- On the keyboard of life you have always to keep a finger at the escape key;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130611064136.gb4...@galadriel.home.lxtec.de
Re: Ctrl-alt-del to restart window manager with xfce in wheezy?
On Sun 09 Jun 2013 at 23:51:36 -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: > I've configured -- to do so with "dpkg- > reconfigure keyboard-configuration", but (even after a reboot) that > doesn't seem to do the job. > > Specifically, -- did nothing before I did > "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration", and it still does nothing > now. (Same for --.) First: setxkbmap -print Then: setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp Finally: setxkbmap -print It would be useful to see the outputs of the first and third commands and know whether -- works to close X. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130610130552.GM26394@desktop
Re: Ctrl-alt-del to restart window manager with xfce in wheezy?
* Rick Thomas [2013-06-09 23:51 -0700]: > > On Jun 9, 2013, at 11:10 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > >On Du, 09 iun 13, 19:27:35, Rick Thomas wrote: > >> > >>I've got xfce window manager installed on pretty-much as it comes > >>fresh-out-of-the-box Wheezy. > >> > >>I'd like to have -- restart the window manager. > >> > >>I've configured it to do so with "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard- > >>configuration", but (even after a reboot) that doesn't seem to do > >>the job. > > > >Don't you mean Ctrl-Alt-Backspace (not Del)? And this doesn't restart > >the window manager, but it shuts down the X server. > > > Thanks for the clarification, Andrei! > > Of course, you're right in all respects... Try echo 'XKBOPTIONS="lv3:ralt_switch,compose:caps,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"' >> /etc/default/keyboard Elimar -- Learned men are the cisterns of knowledge, not the fountainheads ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130610083728.ga4...@galadriel.home.lxtec.de
Re: Ctrl-alt-del to restart window manager with xfce in wheezy?
Dne, 10. 06. 2013 04:27:35 je Rick Thomas napisal(a): I've got xfce window manager installed on pretty-much as it comes fresh-out-of-the-box Wheezy. I'd like to have -- restart the window manager. I've configured it to do so with "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration", but (even after a reboot) that doesn't seem to do the job. Anybody know what I'm missing? Thanks! Rick What you're missing is a text file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d which is needed to make the -- combo work since in recent Xservers the 'DontZap' option has been deprecated. The file which IIRC may be named anyway you want (mine is named 50-synaptics.conf since it also contains some configurations for my touchpad) should contain the following lines: # Let's compensate for the deprecated Xserver "DontZap" option Section "InputClass" Identifier "Keyboard" Option "XkbOptions" "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp," EndSection # Alternatively, if/when this gets deprecated in turn, the following command issued at DesktopEnvironment autostart should work: # setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp After creating the said file, you might need to restart the X server or reboot. Good luck! Caveat lector: this works in LXDE, I don't know about xfce since I'm not using it. -- Cheerio, Klistvud http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com Certifiable Loonix User #481801 Please reply to the list, not to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1370849759.5231.1@compax
Re: Ctrl-alt-del to restart window manager with xfce in wheezy?
On Du, 09 iun 13, 23:51:36, Rick Thomas wrote: > > It's a Macintosh keyboard. The "backspace" key on my keyboard is > marked "delete" -- the "del" key is *also* marked "delete". Hence > some of the confusion. ... > Specifically, -- did nothing before I did > "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration", and it still does nothing > now. (Same for --.) > > So what am I missing? I have zero experience with Macintosh keyboards, but are you sure there is a key that the system (specifically X) interprets as BackSpace? You can use xev (package x11-utils) to check. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Ctrl-alt-del to restart window manager with xfce in wheezy?
On Jun 9, 2013, at 11:10 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 09 iun 13, 19:27:35, Rick Thomas wrote: I've got xfce window manager installed on pretty-much as it comes fresh-out-of-the-box Wheezy. I'd like to have -- restart the window manager. I've configured it to do so with "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard- configuration", but (even after a reboot) that doesn't seem to do the job. Don't you mean Ctrl-Alt-Backspace (not Del)? And this doesn't restart the window manager, but it shuts down the X server. Thanks for the clarification, Andrei! Of course, you're right in all respects... To be absolutely precise in what follows: The "backspace" key is part of the main alphabetic/numeric cluster. The "del" key is part of the cluster with "page-up", "home", "end" and so on. It's a Macintosh keyboard. The "backspace" key on my keyboard is marked "delete" -- the "del" key is *also* marked "delete". Hence some of the confusion. What I *should* have written, with that as background is: I've got xfce desktop installed pretty-much as it comes fresh-out-of- the-box with Wheezy. I'd like to have -- restart the X server. (But failing that, I'd be happy with -- doing that job, if that's what it takes.) I've configured -- to do so with "dpkg- reconfigure keyboard-configuration", but (even after a reboot) that doesn't seem to do the job. Specifically, -- did nothing before I did "dpkg- reconfigure keyboard-configuration", and it still does nothing now. (Same for --.) So what am I missing? Thanks! Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/929976d0-866b-4163-b6cc-6d024ee3c...@pobox.com
Re: Ctrl-alt-del to restart window manager with xfce in wheezy?
On Du, 09 iun 13, 19:27:35, Rick Thomas wrote: > > I've got xfce window manager installed on pretty-much as it comes > fresh-out-of-the-box Wheezy. > > I'd like to have -- restart the window manager. > > I've configured it to do so with "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard- > configuration", but (even after a reboot) that doesn't seem to do > the job. Don't you mean Ctrl-Alt-Backspace (not Del)? And this doesn't restart the window manager, but it shuts down the X server. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Ctrl-alt-del to restart window manager with xfce in wheezy?
I've got xfce window manager installed on pretty-much as it comes fresh-out-of-the-box Wheezy. I'd like to have -- restart the window manager. I've configured it to do so with "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard- configuration", but (even after a reboot) that doesn't seem to do the job. Anybody know what I'm missing? Thanks! Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/c22ccb10-8528-4e1b-8754-26911d7d0...@pobox.com
