Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
Petro, 2002-Jun-05 18:30 -0700: > On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 11:56:43PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Them and everyone else it seems. I gotta wonder if anybody from > > California ever stopped to think that they're turning Oregon into what > > they moved away from... > > If they stopped to think, they wouldn't be the Californians that > stereotypes are based on, now would they, Duuudde? Dude, It's not so much that we don't think as much as it's that so many of us are simply selfish. cya, Dude :-) -- Jeff CoppockSystems Engineer Diggin' Debian Admin and User -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 11:56:43PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > Them and everyone else it seems. I gotta wonder if anybody from > California ever stopped to think that they're turning Oregon into what > they moved away from... If they stopped to think, they wouldn't be the Californians that stereotypes are based on, now would they, Duuudde? -- My last cigarette was roughly 44 days, 16 hours, 2 minutes ago. YHBW -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
Paul Johnson, 2002-May-31 23:56 -0700: > > Them and everyone else it seems. I gotta wonder if anybody from > California ever stopped to think that they're turning Oregon into what > they moved away from... > > -- > Baloo > No doubt! I'm a native Californian looking forward to the day I can leave the San Francisco Bay Area for some quiet place in the middle of nowhere. The people here are all caught up in this career-oriented culture and not much interested in slowing things down. And, it's hard not to get caught up in it myself. Then, after these people make their money, they move to some nice place like Oregon and find they don't know how to slow down and start rebuilding the hell they lived in here. Anyway, some day I'll get away...I've just got too much going for me right now to leave. In the mean time I'm trying to keep things real. jc -- Jeff CoppockSystems Engineer Diggin' Debian Admin and User -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
Paul Johnson, 2002-May-31 22:52 -0700: > On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 09:35:07PM -0700, Jeff wrote: > > > > ...caught 23 roughly 14" long brook trout last Monday while everone > > > else was at work... > > > > you bastard :-) > > Not really. The tradeoff is doing 10 hour shifts on Friday and Saturday > night. Okay, I feel better. I recant my previous statement. > Portland has lots of clubs, but none of them very friendly > (either 21 and over and overrun with drunks and e-tards and the all ages > ones have 900 middle schoolers and 8 creepy middle aged guys hitting on > everyone) and considering Portland's nightlife consists primarily of > house parties, poetry readings and live music, you can imagine what kind > of slow life I live for being in my prime... > > -- > Baloo Hmm...that's a shame. We have plenty of the e-tards and creepy guys here too. jc -- Jeff CoppockSystems Engineer Diggin' Debian Admin and User -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
> "Paul" == Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Paul> About the only good thing I can say about summer is I'm less Paul> likely to get poked in the eye by some tourist prick that Paul> doesn't realise it's considered rude to carry an open Paul> umbrella in a crowd. Get a raincoat and a hat or wear wool, Paul> people! Umbrellas are bloody rude to people who have to Paul> stand near you, and are completely ineffective in even the Paul> slightest wind. Hint: If it's raining in Oregon, it's Paul> probably windy. And when you realise this fact, be Paul> sure to throw your inside out and twisted umbrella in the Paul> gutter. The city crews love nothing more than picking Paul> muddy, greasy trashed umbrellas out of drain grates they Paul> inevitably get tangled in. YES! Sorry to and to an OT thread. But FINALLY someone else that hates umbrellas. Now it's just to convince the other 300 million or so people in Japan... Marshal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 01:16:21AM -0700, ben wrote: > californian. i think that, in a previous post, where i used the phrase > 'dotcom okies,' i should have said dotcom migrants. perhaps i encouraged > interstate antipathy by that error. the point is that if i have a grievance No, it was mention of California. > with anybody, it has to do with their behavior as an individual, regardless > of any collective association to which even they might willingly adhere. I don't think Californianism is something that you willingly adhere to, or they might more readily change and assimilate into the local crowd overall a bit better. It's more a blind adherance that makes them stick out like tourists that forgot to leave. About the only good thing I can say about summer is I'm less likely to get poked in the eye by some tourist prick that doesn't realise it's considered rude to carry an open umbrella in a crowd. Get a raincoat and a hat or wear wool, people! Umbrellas are bloody rude to people who have to stand near you, and are completely ineffective in even the slightest wind. Hint: If it's raining in Oregon, it's probably windy. And when you realise this fact, be sure to throw your inside out and twisted umbrella in the gutter. The city crews love nothing more than picking muddy, greasy trashed umbrellas out of drain grates they inevitably get tangled in. -- Baloo pgpHhIDN2fgCI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
On Saturday 01 June 2002 12:24 am, Shawn Dunn wrote: > On Fri, 31 May 2002 23:56:43 -0700 > > Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > definitely cute; married to the bass player, in fact. they used to be > > > our personal house band in sf, before they all, almost as one, realized > > > they'd had it with high rent and dotcom okies. > > > > Them and everyone else it seems. I gotta wonder if anybody from > > California ever stopped to think that they're turning Oregon into what > > they moved away from... > > Try out Montana sometime, grew up there, and the Californians and > Easterners are doing their damnedest to remake in the image of the places > they left, and have been for round 20 years or so.. > yeah, but let's not forget that the world is comprised of individuals possessed of freewill. just because one californian pisses on your rug doesn't mean all californians will do the same. before i came to live here, sixteen years ago, you were all just americans to me. it wasn't long before i realized that the america that's marketed where i grew up didn't do any justice to the americans i've met since being here. when balloo mentioned, in another post, that he preferred the overcast days, free of glare and heat, i knew, and know, exactly what he means, yet i am no oregonian, much less a californian. i think that, in a previous post, where i used the phrase 'dotcom okies,' i should have said dotcom migrants. perhaps i encouraged interstate antipathy by that error. the point is that if i have a grievance with anybody, it has to do with their behavior as an individual, regardless of any collective association to which even they might willingly adhere. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 12:24:25AM -0700, Shawn Dunn wrote: > Try out Montana sometime, grew up there, and the Californians and > Easterners are doing their damnedest to remake in the image of the > places they left, and have been for round 20 years or so.. Heh, yeah. I just kinda wish the rest of the world would realise we're the middle of nowhere for a reason. We want to be left alone. 8:o) -- Baloo pgp8z1USy0hKQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
On Fri, 31 May 2002 23:56:43 -0700 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > definitely cute; married to the bass player, in fact. they used to be our > > personal house band in sf, before they all, almost as one, realized they'd > > had it with high rent and dotcom okies. > > Them and everyone else it seems. I gotta wonder if anybody from > California ever stopped to think that they're turning Oregon into what > they moved away from... > Try out Montana sometime, grew up there, and the Californians and Easterners are doing their damnedest to remake in the image of the places they left, and have been for round 20 years or so.. --Shawn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
On Friday 31 May 2002 11:56 pm, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 11:39:07PM -0700, ben wrote: > > all of which goes to explain why you're on the list on a friday night, i > > guess. > > Well, even if I was doing what I want to be, sometimes the local furry > parties get a little slow for ten minutes or so as people geek out, so I > retreat back to the list in the interval...nice being able to type as > fast as I think. > > > a friend of mine lives up there. check out his band if they're playing > > of an evening. they're called small wonder. > > I think I've seen them in the listings. > > > definitely cute; married to the bass player, in fact. they used to be our > > personal house band in sf, before they all, almost as one, realized > > they'd had it with high rent and dotcom okies. > > Them and everyone else it seems. I gotta wonder if anybody from > California ever stopped to think that they're turning Oregon into what > they moved away from... i know for damn sure that the people i mentioned won't be doing any of that. as i said, they left here because of that. the drummer, jimmy monack, sends me snail mail to let me know how much he appreciates the difference. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 11:39:07PM -0700, ben wrote: > all of which goes to explain why you're on the list on a friday night, i > guess. Well, even if I was doing what I want to be, sometimes the local furry parties get a little slow for ten minutes or so as people geek out, so I retreat back to the list in the interval...nice being able to type as fast as I think. > a friend of mine lives up there. check out his band if they're playing > of an evening. they're called small wonder. I think I've seen them in the listings. > definitely cute; married to the bass player, in fact. they used to be our > personal house band in sf, before they all, almost as one, realized they'd > had it with high rent and dotcom okies. Them and everyone else it seems. I gotta wonder if anybody from California ever stopped to think that they're turning Oregon into what they moved away from... -- Baloo pgpX4ZogOl97Q.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
On Friday 31 May 2002 10:52 pm, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 09:35:07PM -0700, Jeff wrote: > > > ...caught 23 roughly 14" long brook trout last Monday while everone > > > else was at work... > > > > you bastard :-) > > Not really. The tradeoff is doing 10 hour shifts on Friday and Saturday > night. Portland has lots of clubs, but none of them very friendly > (either 21 and over and overrun with drunks and e-tards and the all ages > ones have 900 middle schoolers and 8 creepy middle aged guys hitting on > everyone) and considering Portland's nightlife consists primarily of > house parties, poetry readings and live music, you can imagine what kind > of slow life I live for being in my prime... all of which goes to explain why you're on the list on a friday night, i guess. a friend of mine lives up there. check out his band if they're playing of an evening. they're called small wonder. the singer is cute--married, but definitely cute; married to the bass player, in fact. they used to be our personal house band in sf, before they all, almost as one, realized they'd had it with high rent and dotcom okies. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 09:35:07PM -0700, Jeff wrote: > > ...caught 23 roughly 14" long brook trout last Monday while everone > > else was at work... > > you bastard :-) Not really. The tradeoff is doing 10 hour shifts on Friday and Saturday night. Portland has lots of clubs, but none of them very friendly (either 21 and over and overrun with drunks and e-tards and the all ages ones have 900 middle schoolers and 8 creepy middle aged guys hitting on everyone) and considering Portland's nightlife consists primarily of house parties, poetry readings and live music, you can imagine what kind of slow life I live for being in my prime... -- Baloo pgpB488NpSuY8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
Paul Johnson, 2002-May-31 20 > ...caught 23 roughly 14" long brook trout last Monday while everone > else was at work... you bastard :-) -- Jeff CoppockSystems Engineer Diggin' Debian Admin and User -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 10:41:37AM -0700, Walter Reed wrote: > Um, speak for yourself. Grilling is a year-round thing for some up us > Minnesotan's! Neither rain nor sleet nor snow shall keep us from our appointed > burger filpping... :-) Same here with Oregonians. Who needs a patio cover? Grab a poncho or a slicker and step outside! Which reminds me, I somehow managed to lose a nice, heavy duty Boy Scout poncho...several years of commuting and camping hadn't even begun to wear on it...I miss it, it was full length front and back, and if you unsnapped the back, you could keep the length of the poncho even with a full-size pack on under it. -- Baloo pgpxhdbuax8U4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 09:52:42AM -0700, ben wrote: > yup. mono-linuxism. debian is the standard. unitedlinux is a business > venture, that's all. it's like comparing shaolin monks to tele-evangelists. Don't get me started on that Pat Robertson thief...trying to cheat the Red Cross out of money...he is no Christian. > if mcdonalds, burger king, jack in the box, and carl's junior were to get > together to standardize the burger, would that affect the recipe of the one > you make yourself with the best ingredients at a backyard barbecue? no matter > how good theirs would be, it's just not the real thing. Mmm, barbeque. Grilled salmon or brook trout beats a burger anytime. And in the Willamette Zone, there's no bag or size limit on brook trout, just get a fishing license and start reelin them in...caught 23 roughly 14" long brook trout last Monday while everone else was at work... > ah, summer, barbecues. think homer simpson drooling. that's me, right now. Problem is, we haven't had any decent barbeque weather in Oregon recently. To us this means at least overcast, if not actually raining. Overcast is preferrable to sun, as you can still get tanned in it, but without having to deal with the heat and brightness of it. Rain preferrable since it keeps the mosquitos and dust down, and it's more fun to run through than the lawn sprinklers. -- Baloo pgpW0GFJswIfb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
On Friday 31 May 2002 02:52 pm, Jaye Inabnit ke6sls wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Friday 31 May 2002 12:59 pm, ben wrote: > > On Friday 31 May 2002 12:29 pm, Quenten Griffith wrote: > > > And what exactly is LSB? > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > http://people.debian.org/~taggart/lsb/ > > > > > http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/lsbtest/ > > > > you see those linky type things? they're actually addresses you can go to > > on the web. you know what the web is, don't you? > > > > jeez, dude, does your mommy move the mouse for you? > > > > ben > > Ben, who pissed on your attitude today? :| > i guess it was me. it was a kind of pissy reaction, huh? i should have gone karsten-style, where it takes ten minutes after you've read the post to realize that along with the helpful information, you have, as pollywog says, been taken to the woodshed. sorry, quenten. i'll try to be more eloquent in the future. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 31 May 2002 14:18:44 -0700 > >it was a mild rebuke. things can get quite heated on > this list sometimes. on behalf of people like me, don't let it put > you off. Yeah I felt like I was taken to the woodshed once or twice this week, but I was not put off by it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 31 May 2002 12:59 pm, ben wrote: > On Friday 31 May 2002 12:29 pm, Quenten Griffith wrote: > > And what exactly is LSB? > > [snip] > > > > > http://people.debian.org/~taggart/lsb/ > > > > http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/lsbtest/ > > you see those linky type things? they're actually addresses you can go to > on the web. you know what the web is, don't you? > > jeez, dude, does your mommy move the mouse for you? > > ben Ben, who pissed on your attitude today? :| - -- Jaye Inabnit\ARS ke6sls\/A GNU-Debian linux user\/ http://www.qsl.net/ke6sls If it's stupid, but works, it ain't stupid. I SHOUT JUST FOR FUN. Free software, in a free world, for a free spirit. Please Support freedom! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE89/CcZHBxKsta6kMRAoc2AJ9gMEGeZxuF0w9G204XRnFk1l/wlwCgkJB3 4IvfA75szJLF61BYq6Ftvcw= =20xC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
To true, I was misspoken I should not of said "people" like you because it was unfair of me to judge someone just by one post for that I apologize. ben wrote: > On Friday 31 May 2002 01:23 pm, Quenten Griffith wrote: > > You know Ben its people like you that make posting anything to newsgroups > > unenjoyable. I did go to those links and they don't really give a great > > description exactly what it is. Did someone wake up on the wrong side of > > the bed or are you always just completely rude to other people? > > > > no, not always. but then, had you known that, you wouldn't make statements > such as 'it's people like you' you might want to go with 'it's responses > like yours' > > toughen up, quenten. it was a mild rebuke. things can get quite heated on > this list sometimes. on behalf of people like me, don't let it put you off. > > ben > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
On Friday 31 May 2002 01:23 pm, Quenten Griffith wrote: > You know Ben its people like you that make posting anything to newsgroups > unenjoyable. I did go to those links and they don't really give a great > description exactly what it is. Did someone wake up on the wrong side of > the bed or are you always just completely rude to other people? > no, not always. but then, had you known that, you wouldn't make statements such as 'it's people like you' you might want to go with 'it's responses like yours' toughen up, quenten. it was a mild rebuke. things can get quite heated on this list sometimes. on behalf of people like me, don't let it put you off. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
Google is so amazing I hardly need to post to lists anymore. Sometimes I try it before looking at man pages. ;-) Entering "lsb" gives this as the first hit: Linux Standard Base Latest Happenings, About the LSB. Specification Proposals The latest draft of various specification proposals are now listed on the specification sub-page. ...Description: The goal of the Linux Standard Base (LSB) is to develop and promote a set of standards that will...Category: Computers > Software > Operating Systems > Linux > Projects > Standardswww.linuxbase.org/ - 8k - 30 May 2002 - Cached - Similar pages Quenten Griffith said: > You know Ben its people like you that make posting anything to > newsgroups unenjoyable. I did go to those links and they don't really > give a great description exactly what it is. Did someone wake up on > the wrong side of the bed or are you always just completely rude to > other people? > > ben wrote: > >> On Friday 31 May 2002 12:29 pm, Quenten Griffith wrote: >> > And what exactly is LSB? >> > >> [snip] >> > > > >> > > > http://people.debian.org/~taggart/lsb/ >> > > > http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/lsbtest/ >> > > >> >> you see those linky type things? they're actually addresses you can go >> to on the web. you know what the web is, don't you? >> >> jeez, dude, does your mommy move the mouse for you? >> >> ben ...RickM... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
You know Ben its people like you that make posting anything to newsgroups unenjoyable. I did go to those links and they don't really give a great description exactly what it is. Did someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed or are you always just completely rude to other people? ben wrote: > On Friday 31 May 2002 12:29 pm, Quenten Griffith wrote: > > And what exactly is LSB? > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > http://people.debian.org/~taggart/lsb/ > > > > http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/lsbtest/ > > > > > you see those linky type things? they're actually addresses you can go to on > the web. you know what the web is, don't you? > > jeez, dude, does your mommy move the mouse for you? > > ben > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
On Friday 31 May 2002 12:29 pm, Quenten Griffith wrote: > And what exactly is LSB? > [snip] > > > > > > http://people.debian.org/~taggart/lsb/ > > > http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/lsbtest/ > > you see those linky type things? they're actually addresses you can go to on the web. you know what the web is, don't you? jeez, dude, does your mommy move the mouse for you? ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 31-May-2002 Quenten Griffith wrote: > And what exactly is LSB? > Linux Standards Base. It is defining what a linux distribution has to have. see http://www.linuxbase.org. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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And what exactly is LSB? Grant Bowman wrote: > * Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020531 10:15]: > > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > Is there a url describing Debian 3.0's conformance with or > > > roadway to conformance with the LSB? > > > > http://people.debian.org/~taggart/lsb/ > > http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/lsbtest/ > > looked at ~taggart/lsb/ lately? It seems to me a link is missing unless > it should be to your page, Joey. > > -- > -- Grant Bowman<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020531 11:47]: > Grant Bowman wrote: > > * Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020531 10:15]: > > > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > Is there a url describing Debian 3.0's conformance with or > > > > roadway to conformance with the LSB? > > > > > > http://people.debian.org/~taggart/lsb/ > > > http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/lsbtest/ > > > > looked at ~taggart/lsb/ lately? It seems to me a link is missing unless > > it should be to your page, Joey. > > What, it links to the old version of his page, and mention's woody's lsb > package, which contains current information of everything that used to > be on that page. Read. OH, taggart moved the pages into the PACKAGE. I incorrectly read this as page and didn't understand what "Debian lsb page" was being referenced. Why would you move web pages into a package and remove them from the web? It's just an extra step for those surfing for this info. I already have the package installed. Sorry, -- -- Grant Bowman<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
Ron Johnson wrote: > I also see a lot of " not part of debian base install. > No problem." To my untrained eye, that looks like a dodge No, it's a recognition of a crummy test suite. The lsb does not itself mention, eg, /etc/gettydefs -- which cannot be a part of debian since the gettyps package that contains it is non-free. The test suite however, tests against the entire FHS, which includes a statement to the effect of, "gettydefs, if it exists, must be in /etc". Nowhere does it mandate that this non-free part of software be part of a FHS compliant or a LSB compliant system. In all such cases, I looked at the packages and made sure they installed the file into the right place, and then put in one of those comments. -- see shy jo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Grant Bowman wrote: > * Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020531 10:15]: > > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > Is there a url describing Debian 3.0's conformance with or > > > roadway to conformance with the LSB? > > > > http://people.debian.org/~taggart/lsb/ > > http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/lsbtest/ > > looked at ~taggart/lsb/ lately? It seems to me a link is missing unless > it should be to your page, Joey. What, it links to the old version of his page, and mention's woody's lsb package, which contains current information of everything that used to be on that page. Read. -- see shy jo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
I'm sure that it won't make a whole lot of difference, but RedHat asked me to fill out a survey last week (I used to run all RedHat servers), I answered the survey and explained that I had converted all my servers (15) to debian because RPM just does not cut it. I would not expect RedHat to convert to the 'debian-way', and now that I have the servers running debian, I won't go back (unless debian went away), but if enough RH->debian converts gave them numbers and reasons, maybe (not holding my breath) the will improve RPM and standardize their distribution. John On Fri, 31 May 2002 10:41:37 -0700 Walter Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 12:21:37PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Unfortunately, if I wanted a "hamburger" in Minnesota in February, > > you wouldn't fire up your grill. > > Um, speak for yourself. Grilling is a year-round thing for some up us > Minnesotan's! Neither rain nor sleet nor snow shall keep us from our appointed > burger filpping... :-) > > > Fortunately, with tasksel, debian isn't _that_ much of a roll- > > your-own distro, like Rock & Gentoo are. > > Yeah, and gentoo has no concept of "stable", and updates just are not tested > well enough. Tried it, moved to debian. > > > I'd give woody to a power user to install on his own machine > > _sooner_ than I'd give him an RPM-based distro because of the > > RPM Hell that he _will_ descend into when he tries to upgrade > > something complex. > > You mean something like the current version of Enlightenment? Been there, > felt the burning embers of hell. RPM just doesn't cut it. > > Unfortunately, these decisions won't be made from a technological point of > view. It's gonna be a "compete with redhat by being similar" thing. Too bad. > If the current customer base of the united linux members and corporate > supporters (IBM / HPac, etc.) were to lobby, THAT might make a difference. > > Although letters of "This is why I dumped you and went to debian" might help > too. > > While I can understand the "who cares what they do" attitude, it is helpful to > have increased corporate sponsership. They have resources and mindshare. > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
* Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020531 10:15]: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > Is there a url describing Debian 3.0's conformance with or > > roadway to conformance with the LSB? > > http://people.debian.org/~taggart/lsb/ > http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/lsbtest/ looked at ~taggart/lsb/ lately? It seems to me a link is missing unless it should be to your page, Joey. -- -- Grant Bowman<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 12:21:37PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > Unfortunately, if I wanted a "hamburger" in Minnesota in February, > you wouldn't fire up your grill. Um, speak for yourself. Grilling is a year-round thing for some up us Minnesotan's! Neither rain nor sleet nor snow shall keep us from our appointed burger filpping... :-) > Fortunately, with tasksel, debian isn't _that_ much of a roll- > your-own distro, like Rock & Gentoo are. Yeah, and gentoo has no concept of "stable", and updates just are not tested well enough. Tried it, moved to debian. > I'd give woody to a power user to install on his own machine > _sooner_ than I'd give him an RPM-based distro because of the > RPM Hell that he _will_ descend into when he tries to upgrade > something complex. You mean something like the current version of Enlightenment? Been there, felt the burning embers of hell. RPM just doesn't cut it. Unfortunately, these decisions won't be made from a technological point of view. It's gonna be a "compete with redhat by being similar" thing. Too bad. If the current customer base of the united linux members and corporate supporters (IBM / HPac, etc.) were to lobby, THAT might make a difference. Although letters of "This is why I dumped you and went to debian" might help too. While I can understand the "who cares what they do" attitude, it is helpful to have increased corporate sponsership. They have resources and mindshare. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 12:07, Joey Hess wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > Is there a url describing Debian 3.0's conformance with or > > roadway to conformance with the LSB? > > http://people.debian.org/~taggart/lsb/ > http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/lsbtest/ Thanks. From http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/lsbtest/current/ it looks like there are a lot of warnings generated by libc6. I also see a lot of " not part of debian base install. No problem." To my untrained eye, that looks like a dodge, but it also looks like an LSB-compliant installation would be pretty big... -- +-+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://ronandheather.dhs.org:81 | | | | "I have created a government of whirled peas..."| | Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 12-May-2002, | ! CNN, Larry King Live | +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 11:52, ben wrote: > On Friday 31 May 2002 09:01 am, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 09:02:27AM -0600, Rick Macdonald wrote: > > > Has there been any Debian disscussion about this, official or otherwise? > > > > Why should there be? We are already the One True Linux Distribution. > > 8:o) > > yup. mono-linuxism. debian is the standard. unitedlinux is a business > venture, that's all. it's like comparing shaolin monks to tele-evangelists. > > if mcdonalds, burger king, jack in the box, and carl's junior were to get > together to standardize the burger, would that affect the recipe of the one > you make yourself with the best ingredients at a backyard barbecue? no matter > how good theirs would be, it's just not the real thing. Unfortunately, if I wanted a "hamburger" in Minnesota in February, you wouldn't fire up your grill. Fortunately, with tasksel, debian isn't _that_ much of a roll- your-own distro, like Rock & Gentoo are. I'd give woody to a power user to install on his own machine _sooner_ than I'd give him an RPM-based distro because of the RPM Hell that he _will_ descend into when he tries to upgrade something complex. -- +-+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://ronandheather.dhs.org:81 | | | | "I have created a government of whirled peas..."| | Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 12-May-2002, | ! CNN, Larry King Live | +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
Ron Johnson wrote: > Is there a url describing Debian 3.0's conformance with or > roadway to conformance with the LSB? http://people.debian.org/~taggart/lsb/ http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/lsbtest/ -- see shy jo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
* Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020531 10:01]: > On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 11:26, Rick Macdonald wrote: > > Paul Johnson said: > > > On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 09:02:27AM -0600, Rick Macdonald wrote: > > >> Has there been any Debian disscussion about this, official or > > >> otherwise? > > > > > > Why should there be? We are already the One True Linux Distribution. > > > 8:o) > > > > I wrote to Caldera asking if UnitedLinux is Debian based like their > > OpenLinux. > > ...RickM... > > Dime to a dollar it will be RPM-based (SuSE, Connectiva & Turbo- > Linux already are), and use Connectiva's RPM apt-get hack. > > Is there a url describing Debian 3.0's conformance with or > roadway to conformance with the LSB? Great question. I brought this up in November on debian-policy and got nowhere. There is officially no policy at the moment, but not due to my lack of effort. Peace, -- -- Grant Bowman<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
On 31-May-2002 ben wrote: > On Friday 31 May 2002 09:01 am, Paul Johnson wrote: >> On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 09:02:27AM -0600, Rick Macdonald wrote: >> > Has there been any Debian disscussion about this, official or otherwise? >> >> Why should there be? We are already the One True Linux Distribution. >> 8:o) > > yup. mono-linuxism. debian is the standard. unitedlinux is a business > venture, that's all. it's like comparing shaolin monks to tele-evangelists. > > if mcdonalds, burger king, jack in the box, and carl's junior were to get > together to standardize the burger, would that affect the recipe of the one > you make yourself with the best ingredients at a backyard barbecue? no matter > how good theirs would be, it's just not the real thing. > > ah, summer, barbecues. think homer simpson drooling. that's me, right now. > You know, that has to be one of the best analogies I have heard in a long time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 11:26, Rick Macdonald wrote: > > Paul Johnson said: > > On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 09:02:27AM -0600, Rick Macdonald wrote: > >> Has there been any Debian disscussion about this, official or > >> otherwise? > > > > Why should there be? We are already the One True Linux Distribution. > > 8:o) > > I wrote to Caldera asking if UnitedLinux is Debian based like their > OpenLinux. > ...RickM... Dime to a dollar it will be RPM-based (SuSE, Connectiva & Turbo- Linux already are), and use Connectiva's RPM apt-get hack. Is there a url describing Debian 3.0's conformance with or roadway to conformance with the LSB? -- +-+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://ronandheather.dhs.org:81 | | | | "I have created a government of whirled peas..."| | Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 12-May-2002, | ! CNN, Larry King Live | +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
On 31-May-2002 Rick Macdonald wrote: > > Paul Johnson said: >> On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 09:02:27AM -0600, Rick Macdonald wrote: >>> Has there been any Debian disscussion about this, official or >>> otherwise? >> >> Why should there be? We are already the One True Linux Distribution. >> 8:o) > > I wrote to Caldera asking if UnitedLinux is Debian based like their > OpenLinux. > ...RickM... > oh, dear. Thanks for the belly laugh. There is a long thread on debian-devel (where the people who would care about this are). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 31 May 2002 09:01 am, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 09:02:27AM -0600, Rick Macdonald wrote: > > Has there been any Debian disscussion about this, official or otherwise? > > Why should there be? We are already the One True Linux Distribution. > 8:o) yup. mono-linuxism. debian is the standard. unitedlinux is a business venture, that's all. it's like comparing shaolin monks to tele-evangelists. if mcdonalds, burger king, jack in the box, and carl's junior were to get together to standardize the burger, would that affect the recipe of the one you make yourself with the best ingredients at a backyard barbecue? no matter how good theirs would be, it's just not the real thing. ah, summer, barbecues. think homer simpson drooling. that's me, right now. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Paul Johnson said: > On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 09:02:27AM -0600, Rick Macdonald wrote: >> Has there been any Debian disscussion about this, official or >> otherwise? > > Why should there be? We are already the One True Linux Distribution. > 8:o) I wrote to Caldera asking if UnitedLinux is Debian based like their OpenLinux. ...RickM... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 09:02:27AM -0600, Rick Macdonald wrote: > Has there been any Debian disscussion about this, official or otherwise? Why should there be? We are already the One True Linux Distribution. 8:o) -- Baloo pgpLNOmDUr8ri.pgp Description: PGP signature
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