Re: Dovecot Problems on Sid
On Du, 15 mai 11, 11:41:18, deloptes wrote: > > The reason to say this the way I said it, is because already last time I > migrated dovecot I had many troubles and this is the job of the developers. > Believe me I know what I am doing (resp. saying). Dealing everyday with > software developers some of them think with their ass and the result > is something like dovecot updates ;-) > > Any way I've solved it the way David Baron suggested. > purge and install again. This was the case with the last upgrade 2 years ago > too ... so I state again ... their is some ass working on dovecot, that > doesn't care about upgrade and so on... I'm sure the dovecot maintainer(s) would welcome your help on improving the packages. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Dovecot Problems on Sid
Stan Hoeppner wrote: > ""sid" is subject to massive changes and in-place library updates. This > can result in a very "unstable" system which contains packages that > cannot be installed due to missing libraries, dependencies that cannot > be fulfilled etc. Use it at your own risk!" Stan, stop repeating what's sid, we all know, and it is not about testing/stable or something else. It's about the lack of communication and adequate update/upgrade options. FYI: I have a testing (sid) system and production stable. Of course I apply changes to testing first. The odd thing as stated before is that this happens ONLY with dovecot for a second time (first time when I migrated from lenny to squeez) > This is the nature of sid, is it not? Has been for how many years? No, I can not agree with you ... this behavior seems to be typical for dovecot developers. Sure I had to reconfigure many packages i.e. exim clamav etc but here the problem is outside of the config (etc/dovecot) - understand this already? regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/iqo7i4$h78$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Dovecot Problems on Sid
Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Your demonstrated frustration and cussing clearly demonstrate you are > NOT a proper candidate for using unstable packages. Do yourself and > us a favor and stick to stable. you are not proper candidate to tell me what I should do. The reason to say this the way I said it, is because already last time I migrated dovecot I had many troubles and this is the job of the developers. Believe me I know what I am doing (resp. saying). Dealing everyday with software developers some of them think with their ass and the result is something like dovecot updates ;-) Any way I've solved it the way David Baron suggested. purge and install again. This was the case with the last upgrade 2 years ago too ... so I state again ... their is some ass working on dovecot, that doesn't care about upgrade and so on... Sorry for my rough language ... It can't be hard to think few steps further and write two lines. regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/iqo73v$faa$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Dovecot Problems on Sid
On 5/14/2011 2:25 PM, David Baron wrote: > Unfortunately, the maintainers changed the configurations to the "more > modern/recent" conf.d directory script system without providing any script > for > transition and NO WARNING for apt-listchanges. To tell us to avoid "unstable" > is no excuse, especially for the lack of notice. >From http://www.debian.org/releases/sid/ ""sid" is subject to massive changes and in-place library updates. This can result in a very "unstable" system which contains packages that cannot be installed due to missing libraries, dependencies that cannot be fulfilled etc. Use it at your own risk!" Doesn't that pretty much cover it, completely? Is there any elaboration necessary? If you use sid and things break, *you* fix it and submit a patch, not whine on the users list. If you're not going to fix it, whining needs to be on a devel list. This is the nature of sid, is it not? Has been for how many years? -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dcf4891.2090...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: Dovecot Problems on Sid
On 5/14/2011 1:28 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/14/2011 11:32 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> On 5/14/2011 6:07 AM, deloptes wrote: >> >>> Someone is brainless - but definitely not me! >> >> deloptes@>yahoo.com< >> >> Nope, definitely not you. ;) >> > > That's pretty rude, and definitely uncalled for on a public list. deloptes cussed on list and insulted the Debian developers in one fell swoop. My ironic fun poking at his pot<->kettle like 'brainless' comment and his use of Yahoo mail was supremely tame in comparison to his prose. Yet, you piped up to 'scold' me? Funny. I'm actually laughing out loud at the supreme absurdity of your remarks. You're like the cop passing a murderer with a literally smoking gun in hand and corpse on the ground just to write a parking ticket down the block. You piped up because you hold a grudge against me for proving you wrong on multiple occasions, simply put: 'besting' you, from your perspective. That is stuck in your craw and gnawing at you. Because of that you see me as an adversary, and take snipe shots at every 'opportunity' you see. You're petty Ron, plain and simple. If it weren't for the fact that you do have some worthwhile knowledge and relevant posts now and again I'd had kill filed you already. Bury the pettiness hatchet already. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dcf4443.2060...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: Dovecot Problems on Sid
On 2011-05-14 21:25 +0200, David Baron wrote: > Unfortunately, the maintainers changed the configurations to the "more > modern/recent" conf.d directory script system without providing any script > for > transition and NO WARNING for apt-listchanges. To tell us to avoid "unstable" > is no excuse, especially for the lack of notice. Yeah, nice packaging error. The Debian maintainers went to great length to sum up the changes in a debian/dovecot-common.NEWS.Debian file, but did not ensure that this file gets actually installed into the dovecot-common binary package. Oh well. Looking at dh_installchangelogs(1), the file should actually be named debian/dovecot-common.NEWS, then it would have been installed as /usr/share/doc/dovecot-common/NEWS.Debian. Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/874o4xt5hc@turtle.gmx.de
Re: Dovecot Problems on Sid
On Saturday 10 Iyar 5771 15:26:42 debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org wrote: > > Updating to the Sid version was a catastrophe--flagged all kinds of > > superseded syntax warning which were flagged as errors when I tried to > > edit them into the conf file. Commented out, got listening errors for > > various 9## ports. > > > > > > > > So I downgraded to the testing version and used a backed up conf file. > > > > > > > > No startup errors, dmesg, nothing, but "localhost refuses connection" > > when trying to access imap on the system. From outside, "server not > > found." > > > > > > > > Nothing like this is listed in the bugs. Has anyone encountered such > > problems, fix them? > > I have just run an update and ended up with no working dovecot. Someone is > brainless - but definitely not me! > > I've tried the quick config guide from dovecot webpage, but still nothing. > I have one process running and no imap/pop3 ports open > > so is there a human usable step by step config guide, for a simple setup > with pam and local maildir? Unfortunately, the maintainers changed the configurations to the "more modern/recent" conf.d directory script system without providing any script for transition and NO WARNING for apt-listchanges. To tell us to avoid "unstable" is no excuse, especially for the lack of notice. The recourse is to 1. Make a copy of your current conf for reference. 2. reinstall, taking ALL the new package configs. 3. Then go to the conf.d scripts and replace items from your original conf. 10-mail.conf and 10-master.conf are the two which get a couple of things from your original. They are decently documented in place and the items look quite like the former versions. If you are getting errors due to port addresses, then the imap and pop3 configs have place to replace those. Working defaults are shown in your original--dont ask why these were changed. (Make sure that the old conf file is no longer in /etc/dovecot/ since the old and new are obviously incompatable.)
Re: Dovecot Problems on Sid
On 05/14/2011 11:32 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 5/14/2011 6:07 AM, deloptes wrote: Someone is brainless - but definitely not me! deloptes@>yahoo.com< Nope, definitely not you. ;) That's pretty rude, and definitely uncalled for on a public list. -- "Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dcec9e6.2020...@cox.net
Re: Dovecot Problems on Sid
On 5/14/2011 6:13 AM, deloptes wrote: > someone is thinking with his/her ass instead > of his/her head Your statement could very well be applied to occasional users who attempt to install unstable software, i.e. yourself. "sid" is subject to massive changes and in-place library updates. This can result in a very "unstable" system which contains packages that cannot be installed due to missing libraries, dependencies that cannot be fulfilled etc. Use it at your own risk! From: http://www.debian.org/releases/sid/ Your demonstrated frustration and cussing clearly demonstrate you are *NOT* a proper candidate for using unstable packages. Do yourself and us a favor and stick to stable. If you *need* Dovecot 2 features that are not available in 1.2.15, wait for the Squeeze backport or download the latest 2.x source tarball and build it yourself, following the Dovecot docs, if you're up to the task. I have the feeling you are not. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dceba38.7050...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: Dovecot Problems on Sid
On 5/14/2011 6:07 AM, deloptes wrote: > Someone is brainless - but definitely not me! deloptes@>yahoo.com< Nope, definitely not you. ;) -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dceaeb2.2000...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: Dovecot Problems on Sid
Camaleón wrote: > It's still unclear where the problem is. Camaleón, it's pretty clear - someone is thinking with his/her ass instead of his/her head when you have fixed it let me know - I spent about 2hours now with this shit, not working and I'm giving up. Even the information on the website is not useful. Someone using his/her head, please, write a useful and human understandable guide to read before upgrading. thanks and regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/iqlo4u$f41$2...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Dovecot Problems on Sid
David Baron wrote: > Updating to the Sid version was a catastrophe--flagged all kinds of > superseded syntax warning which were flagged as errors when I tried to > edit them into the conf file. Commented out, got listening errors for > various 9## ports. > > So I downgraded to the testing version and used a backed up conf file. > > No startup errors, dmesg, nothing, but "localhost refuses connection" when > trying to access imap on the system. From outside, "server not found." > > Nothing like this is listed in the bugs. Has anyone encountered such > problems, fix them? I have just run an update and ended up with no working dovecot. Someone is brainless - but definitely not me! I've tried the quick config guide from dovecot webpage, but still nothing. I have one process running and no imap/pop3 ports open so is there a human usable step by step config guide, for a simple setup with pam and local maildir? regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/iqlnq2$f41$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Dovecot Problems on Sid (SOLVED)
Problems were caused by combination of old conf file and the new conf.d files which were not removed on downgrade. I re-upgraded to the Sid packages, taking the new maintainer's conf files when asked. Then had to configure from scratch. Finally have it working. 1. New and old config files cannot coexist in many cases and the choice for keeping old files, modified or not, is not legitimate. Always upgrade. 2. A conversion script or a dpkg-reconfigure dialog should be offered. 3. Those 993, 995 port addresses are different than the prevous defaults. These new addresses had conflicts, the old ones did not. Script should probably check this and the new config might be better with the old ports of one specified. 4. Documentation is now out of date. New way to limit protocols to subset, i.e. just imap and imaps, is not suggested in any of the conf.d files, I assume should be in the master or mail conf files. Not the end of the world.
Re: Dovecot Problems on Sid
On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 23:36:35 +0300, David Baron wrote: > On Saturday 26 Nisan 5771 22:59:04 David Baron wrote: >> > I would start with the usual tests: >> > >> > http://wiki.dovecot.org/TestInstallation >> >> Process is not running. There is no log entry after those listener >> errors (995 and 993) for the unstable install. The downgraded testing >> install has no entries at all. > > Problem is in all that inetd testing loop. Bypassing that, I actually > get to the do_start. Listening to [::], I can start the daemon but > cannot USE IT. Connection still refused. Listening to * (normal ivp4), I > that "new" failure to listen to 993. Something else is already using it > (995 would be the pop3 server). > > Since I never had these problem before, what is going on now? Run all of the avobe tests (the ones suggested at Dovecot's wiki) and put here the results. It's still unclear where the problem is. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.05.01.13.45...@gmail.com
Re: Dovecot Problems on Sid
On Saturday 26 Nisan 5771 22:59:04 David Baron wrote: > On Friday 25 Nisan 5771 16:39:11 > debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org > > wrote: > > > Updating to the Sid version was a catastrophe--flagged all kinds of > > > superseded syntax warning which were flagged as errors when I tried to > > > edit them into the conf file. Commented out, got listening errors for > > > various 9## ports. > > > > > > > > > > > > So I downgraded to the testing version and used a backed up conf file. > > > > > > > > > > > > No startup errors, dmesg, nothing, but "localhost refuses connection" > > > when trying to access imap on the system. From outside, "server not > > > found." > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing like this is listed in the bugs. Has anyone encountered such > > > problems, fix them? > > > > I would start with the usual tests: > > > > http://wiki.dovecot.org/TestInstallation > > Process is not running. There is no log entry after those listener errors > (995 and 993) for the unstable install. The downgraded testing install has > no entries at all. Problem is in all that inetd testing loop. Bypassing that, I actually get to the do_start. Listening to [::], I can start the daemon but cannot USE IT. Connection still refused. Listening to * (normal ivp4), I that "new" failure to listen to 993. Something else is already using it (995 would be the pop3 server). Since I never had these problem before, what is going on now?
Re: Dovecot Problems on Sid
On Friday 25 Nisan 5771 16:39:11 debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org wrote: > > Updating to the Sid version was a catastrophe--flagged all kinds of > > superseded syntax warning which were flagged as errors when I tried to > > edit them into the conf file. Commented out, got listening errors for > > various 9## ports. > > > > > > > > So I downgraded to the testing version and used a backed up conf file. > > > > > > > > No startup errors, dmesg, nothing, but "localhost refuses connection" > > when trying to access imap on the system. From outside, "server not > > found." > > > > > > > > Nothing like this is listed in the bugs. Has anyone encountered such > > problems, fix them? > > I would start with the usual tests: > > http://wiki.dovecot.org/TestInstallation Process is not running. There is no log entry after those listener errors (995 and 993) for the unstable install. The downgraded testing install has no entries at all.
Re: Dovecot Problems on Sid
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:29:31 +0300, David Baron wrote: (please, avoid using html formatted messages) > Updating to the Sid version was a catastrophe--flagged all kinds of > superseded syntax warning which were flagged as errors when I tried to > edit them into the conf file. Commented out, got listening errors for > various 9## ports. > > So I downgraded to the testing version and used a backed up conf file. > > No startup errors, dmesg, nothing, but "localhost refuses connection" > when trying to access imap on the system. From outside, "server not > found." > > Nothing like this is listed in the bugs. Has anyone encountered such > problems, fix them? I would start with the usual tests: http://wiki.dovecot.org/TestInstallation Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.04.29.13.08...@gmail.com
Dovecot Problems on Sid
Updating to the Sid version was a catastrophe--flagged all kinds of superseded syntax warning which were flagged as errors when I tried to edit them into the conf file. Commented out, got listening errors for various 9## ports. So I downgraded to the testing version and used a backed up conf file. No startup errors, dmesg, nothing, but "localhost refuses connection" when trying to access imap on the system. From outside, "server not found." Nothing like this is listed in the bugs. Has anyone encountered such problems, fix them?
