Re: Finding a Debian consultancy for help with large-scale platform upgrade (Was Re: Systems upgrading)

[Dan Ritter]

Andy Smith wrote: 
> Just as some free advice though…
> 
> 1. I find it hard to believe you have more than 2000 Debian installs
>without some sort of existing automation / configuration
>management
> 
> 2. Given (1), I would approach the task by learning your config
>management and modifying it to deploy a Debian 12 version of each
>kind of Debian 11 server you already have.
> 
> 3. I'd then do a rolling deploy that slowly takes Debian 11 servers
>out of service and re-provisions them as Debian 12. I would not
>try to upgrade anything in place. Although Debian supports that,
>at scale I find it harder to account for all variables than with
>a clean install, and if you already have automation to deploy and
>configure a host then an in-lace upgrade also takes longer in my
>experience.

We do hundreds rather than thousands, but we do them:

- with an existing configuration automation system (chef/cinc)

- in-place upgrades

- in tiers, where a given function (e.g. web servers) will have
  representative machines in each tier, starting with a very
  small proof-of-concept upgrade, followed by corrections; then
  a somewhat larger upgrade group, followed by all the rest of
  the machines.

Automated monitoring, too.

-dsr-

Re: Finding a Debian consultancy for help with large-scale platform upgrade (Was Re: Systems upgrading)

[Wesley]

And yes we just experienced a p0 accident which affected 100 millions 
end users. (There is maybe already the news on internet.) So we are 
taking serious consideration on hiring a consultant for our system 
upgrading.


Thank you.

On 2024-08-20 23:49, Andy Smith wrote:

Hi Wesley,

On Tue, Aug 20, 2024 at 11:29:26PM +0800, Wesley wrote:
We have 2000+ dedi servers planning to upgrade from debian 11 to 
Debian 12.


I should think that the typical debian-user subscriber manages only
a small number of systems with all of them for personal/hobby use,
with the rest of us being extreme outliers.

I think your use case is vastly outside of the experience of almost
everyone here, so here may not be a great place to find a
consultant.

This page may help in your search:

https://www.debian.org/consultants/

I can recommend some in my country (UK) but maybe that is not of
interest to you.

I've never used them, but my company pays Freexian at the bronze
tier to do Debian LTS packaging work and I understand they do wider
Debian consultancy, so maybe that is a good option.

https://www.freexian.com/services/debian-support/

There's the debian-consultants mailing list but it gets almost no
traffic. I don't think it will aid you in finding a consultancy any
better than the previous links, but just in case:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-consultants/

Just as some free advice though…

1. I find it hard to believe you have more than 2000 Debian installs
   without some sort of existing automation / configuration
   management

2. Given (1), I would approach the task by learning your config
   management and modifying it to deploy a Debian 12 version of each
   kind of Debian 11 server you already have.

3. I'd then do a rolling deploy that slowly takes Debian 11 servers
   out of service and re-provisions them as Debian 12. I would not
   try to upgrade anything in place. Although Debian supports that,
   at scale I find it harder to account for all variables than with
   a clean install, and if you already have automation to deploy and
   configure a host then an in-lace upgrade also takes longer in my
   experience.

Something to chat to your consultancy about, anyway.

It would be really interesting if you or your consultant would write
up what you ended up doing.

Thanks,
Andy


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Finding a Debian consultancy for help with large-scale platform upgrade (Was Re: Systems upgrading)

[Andy Smith]

Hi Wesley,

On Tue, Aug 20, 2024 at 11:29:26PM +0800, Wesley wrote:
> We have 2000+ dedi servers planning to upgrade from debian 11 to Debian 12.

I should think that the typical debian-user subscriber manages only
a small number of systems with all of them for personal/hobby use,
with the rest of us being extreme outliers.

I think your use case is vastly outside of the experience of almost
everyone here, so here may not be a great place to find a
consultant.

This page may help in your search:

https://www.debian.org/consultants/

I can recommend some in my country (UK) but maybe that is not of
interest to you.

I've never used them, but my company pays Freexian at the bronze
tier to do Debian LTS packaging work and I understand they do wider
Debian consultancy, so maybe that is a good option.

https://www.freexian.com/services/debian-support/

There's the debian-consultants mailing list but it gets almost no
traffic. I don't think it will aid you in finding a consultancy any
better than the previous links, but just in case:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-consultants/

Just as some free advice though…

1. I find it hard to believe you have more than 2000 Debian installs
   without some sort of existing automation / configuration
   management

2. Given (1), I would approach the task by learning your config
   management and modifying it to deploy a Debian 12 version of each
   kind of Debian 11 server you already have.

3. I'd then do a rolling deploy that slowly takes Debian 11 servers
   out of service and re-provisions them as Debian 12. I would not
   try to upgrade anything in place. Although Debian supports that,
   at scale I find it harder to account for all variables than with
   a clean install, and if you already have automation to deploy and
   configure a host then an in-lace upgrade also takes longer in my
   experience.

Something to chat to your consultancy about, anyway.

It would be really interesting if you or your consultant would write
up what you ended up doing.

Thanks,
Andy

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Re: Demande d'assistance / Request for help [configure for Nagios]

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sat, Nov 06, 2021 at 04:10:01PM +0200, Carsi Mubalo wrote:
> Bonjour la team de Debian,
> Nous sollicitons votre assistance par rapport à la distribution Debian,
> au fait il s'agit du projet de Monitoring avec Nagios, quels sont les
> processus d'installation de Debian pour y configurer Nagios? Merci

Bonjour,

Merci pour votre question. Ces listes sont plutot en anglais: il faudrait
mieux s'addresser vers debian-user-french pour une reponse en francais.

https://www.debian.org/international/French.fr.html

Il y existent aussi https://www.debian.org/index.fr.html et 
https://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrontPage : c'est bien possible que l'un dentre 
les deux peut vous rendre encore plus d'acceuil

Amities,

Andy Cater

[Hello team Debian

We are seeking your assistance with respect to the Debian distribution
: actually it concerns a monitoring project with Nagios. What's the 
process of Debian installation to configure Nagios there. Thanks

Hello

Thanks for your question. These lists are rather more in English. You
would be better to turn to debian-user-french for an answer in French

www.debian.org and wiki.debian.org also exist: it's quite possible that
one of these two [resources] can give you further support

All the best,

Andy Cater]

Re: general broad question for help in setting up linux server and suggestions

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 06:09:48PM -0700, David Christensen wrote:
> On 10/14/21 23:33, Semih Ozlem wrote:
> > Hello everyone
> > 
> > I am a mathematics PhD student completing my dissertation at
> > Yeditepe University Istanbul working under Prof Ilhan Ikeda who is at
> > Bosphorus University Istanbul. I am involved in setting up some
> > seminars, keeping correspondence with other mathematicians or
> > mathematics students.
> > 
> > I worked for brief periods as a programmer mainly in python on small
> > projects.
> > 
> > Currently I am working with an electrical technician in Bursa Turkey
> > who is running an electrical electronical services store.
> > 
> > I am also interested in educational projects.
> > 

It depends: these seem to be fairly well based on the Raspberry Pi. I don't
know what costs/exchange rates are like in Turkey.

> > I am very much into using linux for academic work, I am willing to
> > introduce other people to linux and possibly set up a local linux
> > users group where I live.

That may cost nothing: you may find that the university maths/computer
science faculties may have enough interested students to start.

> > 
> > I am thinking of setting up a server, both for local (at home use),
> > (I have already set up say samba server or openssh server) to be used
> > only under one modem. However due to lack of machines dedicated for
> > that purpose the server is not continuing.
> > 
> > I would like to make a server I set up say at home available at the
> > workplace as well so that I don't have to run back home while at
> > work. If possible make the server accessible via a smart phone or
> > some other computer.

Something like an OpenVPN connection - again, you might want to use
a Pi as a gateway - or just pay for a virtual private server at a hosting
company?

> > 
> > Also in future possibly I would like to set up a web server possibly
> > for the shop and or for mathematical educational and linux related
> > activities as well as for myself and friends and maybe local
> > community.

Ask the CS department - they may already have one :)

> > 
> > Already gdrive offers opportunities for storing files etc. and wix
> > and some other sites allow you to build websites and I am sure there
> > are many other options out there coming from the cloud. But I would
> > like to explore, if you guys also thinnk it might be a worthwhile
> > endeavor too and worth the time, to use linux LAMP server or any
> > other option under the linux umbrella that might be worthwhile. I am
> > thinking of starting small scale since I am operating on a really
> > tight budget currently. And should I reach better circumstances
> > whether through finding some potential financial support or better
> > income myself, I would like to expand on number of things I try.
> > 
> > I am also in interested in humanitarian causes potentially though I
> > would not call myself very active or an activist I like reading on
> > such issues and discussing. One potential possibility is to develop
> > projects in relation to say immigration crisis to do with syria or
> > any other cause... even to help assist people in say getting help
> > with reaching or finding out about public services. But at the moment
> > all these are ideas. Nothing definite yet. I am exploring.

Perhaps talk to the Debian-based FreedomBox project?
> > 
> > I would like to ask for suggestions like a roadmap that may be
> > worthwhile to follow.
> > 
> > Thank you in advance for any assistance and ideas and suggestions
> > and recommendations.
> > 
> > Sincerely
> > 
> > Semih Ozlem
> 
> 

Also - if you have no money, start small. You may even be able to pick
up a couple of dead desktop systems and build one good one / become
friends with your local compauter repair person. Something small to 
get your own experience up: as you build up experience, document each step
you take, configuration files etc. and share them / help others with problems: 
"a mind is a terrible
thing to waste" and if you can help other people, you often find that as you
explain things, your understanding deepens.**

** This is very much like discussing maths with a fellow student and helping
them: you can help them use their own mind to derive solutions - don't do 
everything for them and deprive them of knowledge and explanation but, 
similarly, don't do all their homework for them :) Similarly, it helps
to be systematic and lay out your working so that others can see how
you reached a conclusion.

All the best, as ever,

Andy Cater 

> On 10/15/21 01:16, Semih Ozlem wrote:
> > How much does it cost to run a server full time, is it cheaper to run
> > one yourself or to rent one online? Do you have an estimate? or
> > range? (cost could be electricity and internet connection used?)
> 
> 
> For your situation, I suggest that you get a 14" or 15" laptop with Windows
> 7 Pro 64-bit, a 4+ core CPU with virtualization support, 8+ GB of
> dual-channel memory, and a 256+ GB SSD

Re: general broad question for help in setting up linux server and suggestions

[David Christensen]

On 10/14/21 23:33, Semih Ozlem wrote:

Hello everyone

I am a mathematics PhD student completing my dissertation at
Yeditepe University Istanbul working under Prof Ilhan Ikeda who is at
Bosphorus University Istanbul. I am involved in setting up some
seminars, keeping correspondence with other mathematicians or
mathematics students.

I worked for brief periods as a programmer mainly in python on small 
projects.


Currently I am working with an electrical technician in Bursa Turkey
who is running an electrical electronical services store.

I am also interested in educational projects.

I am very much into using linux for academic work, I am willing to 
introduce other people to linux and possibly set up a local linux

users group where I live.

I am thinking of setting up a server, both for local (at home use),
(I have already set up say samba server or openssh server) to be used
only under one modem. However due to lack of machines dedicated for
that purpose the server is not continuing.

I would like to make a server I set up say at home available at the 
workplace as well so that I don't have to run back home while at

work. If possible make the server accessible via a smart phone or
some other computer.

Also in future possibly I would like to set up a web server possibly
for the shop and or for mathematical educational and linux related
activities as well as for myself and friends and maybe local
community.

Already gdrive offers opportunities for storing files etc. and wix
and some other sites allow you to build websites and I am sure there
are many other options out there coming from the cloud. But I would
like to explore, if you guys also thinnk it might be a worthwhile
endeavor too and worth the time, to use linux LAMP server or any
other option under the linux umbrella that might be worthwhile. I am
thinking of starting small scale since I am operating on a really
tight budget currently. And should I reach better circumstances
whether through finding some potential financial support or better
income myself, I would like to expand on number of things I try.

I am also in interested in humanitarian causes potentially though I
would not call myself very active or an activist I like reading on
such issues and discussing. One potential possibility is to develop
projects in relation to say immigration crisis to do with syria or
any other cause... even to help assist people in say getting help
with reaching or finding out about public services. But at the moment
all these are ideas. Nothing definite yet. I am exploring.

I would like to ask for suggestions like a roadmap that may be
worthwhile to follow.

Thank you in advance for any assistance and ideas and suggestions
and recommendations.

Sincerely

Semih Ozlem



On 10/15/21 01:16, Semih Ozlem wrote:

How much does it cost to run a server full time, is it cheaper to run
one yourself or to rent one online? Do you have an estimate? or
range? (cost could be electricity and internet connection used?)



For your situation, I suggest that you get a 14" or 15" laptop with 
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit, a 4+ core CPU with virtualization support, 8+ GB 
of dual-channel memory, and a 256+ GB SSD.  Get a 1+ TB external SSD or 
HDD with the fastest connection the laptop supports, and put your data 
on it.  Install virtualization software and create Debian virtual 
machines (VM).  Get a backpack with a laptop compartment and carry it 
all around with you.



Note that you don't need a new or expensive laptop.  I have a Dell 
Latitude E6520 that was near top-of-the line in ~2011, but sells for 
US$150~200 today.  It is my primary workstation; I use it daily.  While 
older machines are bulkier and heavier, and the batteries do not last 
very long, they are easier to modify and upgrade than newer laptops. 
And, now that Microsoft has declared Windows 11 will not support 
machines prior to Intel Core 8th generation, the price of older x86 
computers has dropped even more.



It is not wise to host Internet services on a home server.  If and when 
you want an Internet presence, get a virtual private server (VPS). 
Prices range from free to very expensive, depending upon provider and plan.



I live in California, USA.  Graduate programs here typically require 
students to obtain a certain number of graduate-level courses in their 
department, plus some number of upper-division or graduate courses 
outside their department.  If your university has a computer science 
(CS) department, perhaps you could take CS courses and apply them 
towards your Ph.D..



David

Re: general broad question for help in setting up linux server and suggestions

[Dan Ritter]

Jonathan Dowland wrote: 
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 12:43:57PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > 2.  If you have any expectation of providing any services - even
> > something as basic as hosting an email list, you can easily swamp a
> > desktop/laptop class machine.  You probably want to look at something
> > Xeon based.
> 
> I have never, ever needed something Xeon based, and I've provided basic
> services on low-spec VPSes for a very long time.

We ran thousand-person mailing lists on a microVAX 3500 with a
then-astonishing 32MB of RAM and an 11 MHz CPU.

A Raspberry Pi 4b has much more compute power, faster storage,
and 50-100x faster networking, to go with 200x the RAM.

For learning about running servers and doing non-commercial
work, Pis and old desktops and laptops are excellent machines.

-dsr-

Re: general broad question for help in setting up linux server and suggestions

[Greg Wooledge]

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 07:39:28PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 12:43:57PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > 2.  If you have any expectation of providing any services - even
> > something as basic as hosting an email list, you can easily swamp a
> > desktop/laptop class machine.  You probably want to look at something
> > Xeon based.
> 
> I have never, ever needed something Xeon based, and I've provided basic
> services on low-spec VPSes for a very long time.

Some of the statements in this thread have been quite exaggerated.
You can run a mailing list on a 486.  (I mean, you *could* back when
you could actually run Linux on a 486... no modern Linux kernels support
that old CPU any more.)

At its heart, a mailing list service is quite simple, and does not use
a lot of resources.  You need an MTA, of course, which is configured to
receive and send (and therefore queue up) email.  Then you just need a
mailing list program which is invoked when a designated address receives
a new email.  The typical action will be "queue up a bunch of outgoing
messages", and then the MTA sends them out.

It only needs a few megabytes of RAM, and not much CPU.  The bottleneck
on a mailing list service will be the time spent waiting on network I/O
while talking to other mail servers (and DNS) around the world.  Not local
memory or CPU.

Things only get complicated if you try to do spam detection.  Which, to
be fair, you probably would want if it's an open mailing list publicized
to the world.  If it's a private mailing list that you only maintain for
communications with your family or whatever, you probably don't need it.
Simply disallow incoming messages from non-subscribed addresses.

If you're "swamping" a modern desktop PC by running a small- to medium-sized
mailing list, you've probably done something very, very wrong.

A web server with static content is pretty light as well.  Obviously it
will depend on how many "clicks" you get per day, and what kind of content
you're offering (i.e. how big the pages are), but a small web server that
gets, let's say, a thousand hits per day (that's about one hit every minute)
will not even place a noticeable load on a modern desktop or laptop PC.

On a busier web server, the bottleneck will often be your upload speed,
especially if you have larger files (images, audio, video, large data
sets).  The amount of RAM and CPU used for static content is still quite
small, but you can easily max out a typical home Internet's upload speed.
I believe Gene has experienced this.

Re: general broad question for help in setting up linux server and suggestions

[rhkramer]

On Friday, October 15, 2021 09:50:26 AM Dan Ritter wrote:
> john doe wrote:
> > On 10/15/2021 1:40 PM, john doe wrote:
> > In general, I would not advise to have a web server publically available
> > at home.
> 
> I strongly disagree.

I agree with Dan (on the strongly disagree).

Further, I would mention that the way some people used to do this was to have 
sort of two levels of firewall protection.  They had strong firewall (or 
similar) protection for their personal computer / network, and then the server 
(for public use) sat outside that firewall, possibly with a less restrictive 
firewall in front of it.

I vaguely think I remember a phrase like "demilitarized zone" for (iirc) the 
area outside your personal computer / network.

I never did this.  For a little while, a long time ago, I ran a server just 
for my home network (with no public access).

Re: general broad question for help in setting up linux server and suggestions

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 12:43:57PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
2.  If you have any expectation of providing any services - even 
something as basic as hosting an email list, you can easily swamp a 
desktop/laptop class machine.  You probably want to look at something 
Xeon based.


I have never, ever needed something Xeon based, and I've provided basic
services on low-spec VPSes for a very long time.

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Re: general broad question for help in setting up linux server and suggestions

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 10/15/21, Christian Britz  wrote:
>
> Semih Ozlem wrote:
>> How much does it cost to run a server full time, is it cheaper to run
>> one yourself or to rent one online? Do you have an estimate? or range?
>> (cost could be electricity and internet connection used?)
>>
>
> Assuming that you want to use your private Internet connection at the
> beginning and you have a flatrate, there will be only the electricity
> causing extra costs.
> Keep in mind that your local Internet provider will probably not assign
> you a fixed IP adress, so you will probably need to use some sort of
> DynDNS service (should be cheap).
> When your project becomes more professional, I would recommend switching
> to a hosted solution.


Which reminds that you have to make sure that hosting a personal
server doesn't violate terms of service from one's ISP (Internet
service provider). It depends on the type of connection, that kind of
thing. It would byte to have to go scrambling for a new way to
continue an existing setup with established traffic if one is suddenly
shut down for unknowingly violating those terms.

Just thinking out loud.. and my apologies in advance if that subject
was already mentioned. :)

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: general broad question for help in setting up linux server and suggestions

[Charles Curley]

On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:33:24 +0300
Semih Ozlem  wrote:

> I am very much into using linux for academic work, I am willing to
> introduce other people to linux and possibly set up a local linux
> users group where I live.

There may already be a Linux User Group (LUG) near you. If there is one
in Turkey, I would expect to find it in Istanbul or Ankara.

In general, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_user_group
https://tldp.org/HOWTO/User-Group-HOWTO.html (TLDP material tends to be
behind the times, alas.)

> But I would like to explore, if
> you guys also thinnk it might be a worthwhile endeavor too and worth
> the time, to use linux LAMP server or any other option under the
> linux umbrella that might be worthwhile. I am thinking of starting
> small scale since I am operating on a really tight budget currently.

Running your own server is an excellent learning opportunity. There is
plenty of inexpensive hardware available, new and used. You might also
check with local universities or colleges for donations of hardware for
a good cause. Also, check for surplus sales at local companies,
universities, and colleges.

The other costs are your Internet connection, your electricity bill,
and your time maintaining it.

-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?

https://charlescurley.com
https://charlescurley.com/blog/

Re: general broad question for help in setting up linux server and suggestions

[Miles Fidelman]

Semih Ozlem wrote:


I am thinking of setting up a server, both for local (at home use), (I 
have already set up say samba server or openssh server) to be used 
only under one modem. However due to lack of machines dedicated for 
that purpose the server is not continuing.


I would like to make a server I set up say at home available at the 
workplace as well so that I don't have to run back home while at work. 
If possible make the server accessible via a smart phone or some other 
computer.




Two comments:

1.  If you want to make the server available, via the net, you need to 
look at something like Dynamic DNS.  Broadband services tend to 
periodically reassign your IP address.


2.  If you have any expectation of providing any services - even 
something as basic as hosting an email list, you can easily swamp a 
desktop/laptop class machine.  You probably want to look at something 
Xeon based.


Personally, I've been looking rather longingly at the Intel NUC 9 Pro - 
which provides a huge amount of capability in a mini-pc chassis.  
Basically, a workstation class mini-pc.  Of course, it's hard to get 
one's hands on them these days, and a well-loaded system will easily set 
you back $2-3000.  You can get some comparable, Supermicro mini-itx 
boxes for a bit less.


Miles Fidelman





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In practice, there is.   Yogi Berra

Theory is when you know everything but nothing works.
Practice is when everything works but no one knows why.
In our lab, theory and practice are combined:
nothing works and no one knows why.  ... unknown

Re: general broad question for help in setting up linux server and suggestions

[Dan Ritter]

john doe wrote: 
> On 10/15/2021 1:40 PM, john doe wrote:
> 
> I'll add that running a server at home as some security implecation.
> The server would need to be properly secured (firewall, hardening of
> services...).
> 
> In general, I would not advise to have a web server publically available
> at home.

I strongly disagree.

The best place to learn to run a web server is at home.
Preferably with a good, tested backup solution and no sensitive
data on the same machine.

The entire point of UNIX and UNIX-like systems is that at any
moment, a user may suddenly become a programmer or a sysadmin,
and this is fully supported behavior.

-dsr-

Re: general broad question for help in setting up linux server and suggestions

[Nicholas Geovanis]

If you have internet connectivity and want to experiment, you can fire up
smaller Amazon AWS (cloud) instances for less than 1 day for no cost. You
can keep large data long term in their S3 storage buckets for nearly zero
cost. You can pay month to month.

I haven't been on Google cloud for 3 or 4 years. But they used to be
cheaper than AWS.

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 1:34 AM Semih Ozlem 
wrote:

> Hello everyone
>
> I am a mathematics PhD student completing my dissertation at Yeditepe
> University Istanbul working under Prof Ilhan Ikeda who is at Bosphorus
> University Istanbul. I am involved in setting up some seminars, keeping
> correspondence with other mathematicians or mathematics students.
>
> I worked for brief periods as a programmer mainly in python on small
> projects.
>
> Currently I am working with an electrical technician in Bursa Turkey who
> is running an electrical electronical services store.
>
> I am also interested in educational projects.
>
> I am very much into using linux for academic work, I am willing to
> introduce other people to linux and possibly set up a local linux users
> group where I live.
>
> I am thinking of setting up a server, both for local (at home use), (I
> have already set up say samba server or openssh server) to be used only
> under one modem. However due to lack of machines dedicated for that purpose
> the server is not continuing.
>
> I would like to make a server I set up say at home available at the
> workplace as well so that I don't have to run back home while at work. If
> possible make the server accessible via a smart phone or some other
> computer.
>
> Also in future possibly I would like to set up a web server possibly for
> the shop and or for mathematical educational and linux related activities
> as well as for myself and friends and maybe local community.
>
> Already gdrive offers opportunities for storing files etc. and wix and
> some other sites allow you to build websites and I am sure there are many
> other options out there coming from the cloud. But I would like to explore,
> if you guys also thinnk it might be a worthwhile endeavor too and worth the
> time, to use linux LAMP server or any other option under the linux umbrella
> that might be worthwhile. I am thinking of starting small scale since I am
> operating on a really tight budget currently. And should I reach better
> circumstances whether through finding some potential financial support or
> better income myself, I would like to expand on number of things I try.
>
> I am also in interested in humanitarian causes potentially though I would
> not call myself very active or an activist I like reading on such issues
> and discussing. One potential possibility is to develop projects in
> relation to say immigration crisis to do with syria or any other cause...
> even to help assist people in say getting help with reaching or finding out
> about public services. But at the moment all these are ideas. Nothing
> definite yet. I am exploring.
>
> I would like to ask for suggestions like a roadmap that may be worthwhile
> to follow.
>
> Thank you in advance for any assistance and ideas and suggestions and
> recommendations.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Semih Ozlem
>

Re: general broad question for help in setting up linux server and suggestions

[john doe]

On 10/15/2021 1:40 PM, john doe wrote:

On 10/15/2021 10:30 AM, Christian Britz wrote:



Semih Ozlem wrote:

How much does it cost to run a server full time, is it cheaper to run
one yourself or to rent one online? Do you have an estimate? or range?
(cost could be electricity and internet connection used?)



Assuming that you want to use your private Internet connection at the
beginning and you have a flatrate, there will be only the electricity
causing extra costs.
Keep in mind that your local Internet provider will probably not assign
you a fixed IP adress, so you will probably need to use some sort of
DynDNS service (should be cheap).


For starter you could use a free DDNS provider.

To answer the question of the OP:

To learn how to run a server your only cost would be energy bill and
mayby internet depending on your ISP plan.



I'll add that running a server at home as some security implecation.
The server would need to be properly secured (firewall, hardening of
services...).

In general, I would not advise to have a web server publically available
at home.

--
John Doe

Re: general broad question for help in setting up linux server and suggestions

[john doe]

On 10/15/2021 10:30 AM, Christian Britz wrote:



Semih Ozlem wrote:

How much does it cost to run a server full time, is it cheaper to run
one yourself or to rent one online? Do you have an estimate? or range?
(cost could be electricity and internet connection used?)



Assuming that you want to use your private Internet connection at the
beginning and you have a flatrate, there will be only the electricity
causing extra costs.
Keep in mind that your local Internet provider will probably not assign
you a fixed IP adress, so you will probably need to use some sort of
DynDNS service (should be cheap).


For starter you could use a free DDNS provider.

To answer the question of the OP:

To learn how to run a server your only cost would be energy bill and
mayby internet depending on your ISP plan.

--
John Doe

Re: general broad question for help in setting up linux server and suggestions

[Christian Britz]

Semih Ozlem wrote:
How much does it cost to run a server full time, is it cheaper to run 
one yourself or to rent one online? Do you have an estimate? or range? 
(cost could be electricity and internet connection used?)




Assuming that you want to use your private Internet connection at the 
beginning and you have a flatrate, there will be only the electricity 
causing extra costs.
Keep in mind that your local Internet provider will probably not assign 
you a fixed IP adress, so you will probably need to use some sort of 
DynDNS service (should be cheap).
When your project becomes more professional, I would recommend switching 
to a hosted solution.

Re: general broad question for help in setting up linux server and suggestions

[Jeremy Ardley]

On 15/10/21 4:16 pm, Semih Ozlem wrote:
How much does it cost to run a server full time, is it cheaper to run 
one yourself or to rent one online? Do you have an estimate? or range? 
(cost could be electricity and internet connection used?)


john doe mailto:johndoe65...@mail.com>>, 15 
Eki 2021 Cum, 10:40 tarihinde şunu yazdı:


On 10/15/2021 8:47 AM, Jeremy Ardley wrote:
>
> On 15/10/21 2:33 pm, Semih Ozlem wrote:
>> Hello everyone
>>
>> I am a mathematics PhD student completing my dissertation at
Yeditepe
>> University Istanbul working under Prof Ilhan Ikeda who is at
Bosphorus
>> University Istanbul. I am involved in setting up some seminars,
>> keeping correspondence with other mathematicians or mathematics
students.
>>
>> I worked for brief periods as a programmer mainly in python on
small
>> projects.
>>
>> Currently I am working with an electrical technician in Bursa
Turkey
>> who is running an electrical electronical services store.
>>
>> I am also interested in educational projects.
>>
>> I am very much into using linux for academic work, I am willing to
>> introduce other people to linux and possibly set up a local linux
>> users group where I live.
>>
>> I am thinking of setting up a server, both for local (at home
use), (I
>> have already set up say samba server or openssh server) to be used
>> only under one modem. However due to lack of machines dedicated for
>> that purpose the server is not continuing.
>>
>> I would like to make a server I set up say at home available at the
>> workplace as well so that I don't have to run back home while
at work.
>> If possible make the server accessible via a smart phone or
some other
>> computer.
>>
>> Also in future possibly I would like to set up a web server
possibly
>> for the shop and or for mathematical educational and linux related
>> activities as well as for myself and friends and maybe local
community.
>>
>> Already gdrive offers opportunities for storing files etc. and
wix and
>> some other sites allow you to build websites and I am sure
there are
>> many other options out there coming from the cloud. But I would
like
>> to explore, if you guys also thinnk it might be a worthwhile
endeavor
>> too and worth the time, to use linux LAMP server or any other
option
>> under the linux umbrella that might be worthwhile. I am thinking of
>> starting small scale since I am operating on a really tight budget
>> currently. And should I reach better circumstances whether through
>> finding some potential financial support or better income myself, I
>> would like to expand on number of things I try.
>>
>> I am also in interested in humanitarian causes potentially though I
>> would not call myself very active or an activist I like reading on
>> such issues and discussing. One potential possibility is to develop
>> projects in relation to say immigration crisis to do with syria
or any
>> other cause... even to help assist people in say getting help with
>> reaching or finding out about public services. But at the
moment all
>> these are ideas. Nothing definite yet. I am exploring.
>>
>> I would like to ask for suggestions like a roadmap that may be
>> worthwhile to follow.
>>
>> Thank you in advance for any assistance and ideas and
suggestions and
>> recommendations.
>>
>> Sincerely
>>
>> Semih Ozlem
>
> If you want to smart small and cheap, you can get quite a decent
LAMP
> server using a nanopi M4V2 which has gigabit+ connectivity and
can fit
> an NVME drive for excellent speed and storage.
>
> http://wiki.friendlyarm.com/wiki/index.php/NanoPi_M4V2

>
> It has better connectivity and storage than the Raspberry Pi 4
>
> Because heat is a problem you should get the fancy metal case
>
> I run an earlier version of the board under armbian
>
>

To get me started and with no mony for this  I repurpose a desktop
computer that I had/found as a server.
The server was simply Debian in headless mode (no DE ...).

HTH.

--
John Doe



I also have an AWS ARM LAMP server that has probably better performance 
than my MV2. It costs me under USD $10 per month and has really good 
data speed maybe 5Gbps - my MV2 is limited by my internet connection to 
20 Mbps upload. The AWS server only has 2G RAM and 8G disk, but both can 
be expanded at nominal cost


--
Jeremy



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Re: general broad question for help in setting up linux server and suggestions

[Semih Ozlem]

How much does it cost to run a server full time, is it cheaper to run one
yourself or to rent one online? Do you have an estimate? or range? (cost
could be electricity and internet connection used?)

john doe , 15 Eki 2021 Cum, 10:40 tarihinde şunu
yazdı:

> On 10/15/2021 8:47 AM, Jeremy Ardley wrote:
> >
> > On 15/10/21 2:33 pm, Semih Ozlem wrote:
> >> Hello everyone
> >>
> >> I am a mathematics PhD student completing my dissertation at Yeditepe
> >> University Istanbul working under Prof Ilhan Ikeda who is at Bosphorus
> >> University Istanbul. I am involved in setting up some seminars,
> >> keeping correspondence with other mathematicians or mathematics
> students.
> >>
> >> I worked for brief periods as a programmer mainly in python on small
> >> projects.
> >>
> >> Currently I am working with an electrical technician in Bursa Turkey
> >> who is running an electrical electronical services store.
> >>
> >> I am also interested in educational projects.
> >>
> >> I am very much into using linux for academic work, I am willing to
> >> introduce other people to linux and possibly set up a local linux
> >> users group where I live.
> >>
> >> I am thinking of setting up a server, both for local (at home use), (I
> >> have already set up say samba server or openssh server) to be used
> >> only under one modem. However due to lack of machines dedicated for
> >> that purpose the server is not continuing.
> >>
> >> I would like to make a server I set up say at home available at the
> >> workplace as well so that I don't have to run back home while at work.
> >> If possible make the server accessible via a smart phone or some other
> >> computer.
> >>
> >> Also in future possibly I would like to set up a web server possibly
> >> for the shop and or for mathematical educational and linux related
> >> activities as well as for myself and friends and maybe local community.
> >>
> >> Already gdrive offers opportunities for storing files etc. and wix and
> >> some other sites allow you to build websites and I am sure there are
> >> many other options out there coming from the cloud. But I would like
> >> to explore, if you guys also thinnk it might be a worthwhile endeavor
> >> too and worth the time, to use linux LAMP server or any other option
> >> under the linux umbrella that might be worthwhile. I am thinking of
> >> starting small scale since I am operating on a really tight budget
> >> currently. And should I reach better circumstances whether through
> >> finding some potential financial support or better income myself, I
> >> would like to expand on number of things I try.
> >>
> >> I am also in interested in humanitarian causes potentially though I
> >> would not call myself very active or an activist I like reading on
> >> such issues and discussing. One potential possibility is to develop
> >> projects in relation to say immigration crisis to do with syria or any
> >> other cause... even to help assist people in say getting help with
> >> reaching or finding out about public services. But at the moment all
> >> these are ideas. Nothing definite yet. I am exploring.
> >>
> >> I would like to ask for suggestions like a roadmap that may be
> >> worthwhile to follow.
> >>
> >> Thank you in advance for any assistance and ideas and suggestions and
> >> recommendations.
> >>
> >> Sincerely
> >>
> >> Semih Ozlem
> >
> > If you want to smart small and cheap, you can get quite a decent LAMP
> > server using a nanopi M4V2 which has gigabit+ connectivity and can fit
> > an NVME drive for excellent speed and storage.
> >
> > http://wiki.friendlyarm.com/wiki/index.php/NanoPi_M4V2
> >
> > It has better connectivity and storage than the Raspberry Pi 4
> >
> > Because heat is a problem you should get the fancy metal case
> >
> > I run an earlier version of the board under armbian
> >
> >
>
> To get me started and with no mony for this  I repurpose a desktop
> computer that I had/found as a server.
> The server was simply Debian in headless mode (no DE ...).
>
> HTH.
>
> --
> John Doe
>
>

Re: general broad question for help in setting up linux server and suggestions

[john doe]

On 10/15/2021 8:47 AM, Jeremy Ardley wrote:


On 15/10/21 2:33 pm, Semih Ozlem wrote:

Hello everyone

I am a mathematics PhD student completing my dissertation at Yeditepe
University Istanbul working under Prof Ilhan Ikeda who is at Bosphorus
University Istanbul. I am involved in setting up some seminars,
keeping correspondence with other mathematicians or mathematics students.

I worked for brief periods as a programmer mainly in python on small
projects.

Currently I am working with an electrical technician in Bursa Turkey
who is running an electrical electronical services store.

I am also interested in educational projects.

I am very much into using linux for academic work, I am willing to
introduce other people to linux and possibly set up a local linux
users group where I live.

I am thinking of setting up a server, both for local (at home use), (I
have already set up say samba server or openssh server) to be used
only under one modem. However due to lack of machines dedicated for
that purpose the server is not continuing.

I would like to make a server I set up say at home available at the
workplace as well so that I don't have to run back home while at work.
If possible make the server accessible via a smart phone or some other
computer.

Also in future possibly I would like to set up a web server possibly
for the shop and or for mathematical educational and linux related
activities as well as for myself and friends and maybe local community.

Already gdrive offers opportunities for storing files etc. and wix and
some other sites allow you to build websites and I am sure there are
many other options out there coming from the cloud. But I would like
to explore, if you guys also thinnk it might be a worthwhile endeavor
too and worth the time, to use linux LAMP server or any other option
under the linux umbrella that might be worthwhile. I am thinking of
starting small scale since I am operating on a really tight budget
currently. And should I reach better circumstances whether through
finding some potential financial support or better income myself, I
would like to expand on number of things I try.

I am also in interested in humanitarian causes potentially though I
would not call myself very active or an activist I like reading on
such issues and discussing. One potential possibility is to develop
projects in relation to say immigration crisis to do with syria or any
other cause... even to help assist people in say getting help with
reaching or finding out about public services. But at the moment all
these are ideas. Nothing definite yet. I am exploring.

I would like to ask for suggestions like a roadmap that may be
worthwhile to follow.

Thank you in advance for any assistance and ideas and suggestions and
recommendations.

Sincerely

Semih Ozlem


If you want to smart small and cheap, you can get quite a decent LAMP
server using a nanopi M4V2 which has gigabit+ connectivity and can fit
an NVME drive for excellent speed and storage.

http://wiki.friendlyarm.com/wiki/index.php/NanoPi_M4V2

It has better connectivity and storage than the Raspberry Pi 4

Because heat is a problem you should get the fancy metal case

I run an earlier version of the board under armbian




To get me started and with no mony for this  I repurpose a desktop
computer that I had/found as a server.
The server was simply Debian in headless mode (no DE ...).

HTH.

--
John Doe

Re: general broad question for help in setting up linux server and suggestions

[Jeremy Ardley]

On 15/10/21 2:33 pm, Semih Ozlem wrote:

Hello everyone

I am a mathematics PhD student completing my dissertation at Yeditepe 
University Istanbul working under Prof Ilhan Ikeda who is at Bosphorus 
University Istanbul. I am involved in setting up some seminars, 
keeping correspondence with other mathematicians or mathematics students.


I worked for brief periods as a programmer mainly in python on small 
projects.


Currently I am working with an electrical technician in Bursa Turkey 
who is running an electrical electronical services store.


I am also interested in educational projects.

I am very much into using linux for academic work, I am willing to 
introduce other people to linux and possibly set up a local linux 
users group where I live.


I am thinking of setting up a server, both for local (at home use), (I 
have already set up say samba server or openssh server) to be used 
only under one modem. However due to lack of machines dedicated for 
that purpose the server is not continuing.


I would like to make a server I set up say at home available at the 
workplace as well so that I don't have to run back home while at work. 
If possible make the server accessible via a smart phone or some other 
computer.


Also in future possibly I would like to set up a web server possibly 
for the shop and or for mathematical educational and linux related 
activities as well as for myself and friends and maybe local community.


Already gdrive offers opportunities for storing files etc. and wix and 
some other sites allow you to build websites and I am sure there are 
many other options out there coming from the cloud. But I would like 
to explore, if you guys also thinnk it might be a worthwhile endeavor 
too and worth the time, to use linux LAMP server or any other option 
under the linux umbrella that might be worthwhile. I am thinking of 
starting small scale since I am operating on a really tight budget 
currently. And should I reach better circumstances whether through 
finding some potential financial support or better income myself, I 
would like to expand on number of things I try.


I am also in interested in humanitarian causes potentially though I 
would not call myself very active or an activist I like reading on 
such issues and discussing. One potential possibility is to develop 
projects in relation to say immigration crisis to do with syria or any 
other cause... even to help assist people in say getting help with 
reaching or finding out about public services. But at the moment all 
these are ideas. Nothing definite yet. I am exploring.


I would like to ask for suggestions like a roadmap that may be 
worthwhile to follow.


Thank you in advance for any assistance and ideas and suggestions and 
recommendations.


Sincerely

Semih Ozlem


If you want to smart small and cheap, you can get quite a decent LAMP 
server using a nanopi M4V2 which has gigabit+ connectivity and can fit 
an NVME drive for excellent speed and storage.


http://wiki.friendlyarm.com/wiki/index.php/NanoPi_M4V2

It has better connectivity and storage than the Raspberry Pi 4

Because heat is a problem you should get the fancy metal case

I run an earlier version of the board under armbian


--
Jeremy





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general broad question for help in setting up linux server and suggestions

[Semih Ozlem]

Hello everyone

I am a mathematics PhD student completing my dissertation at Yeditepe
University Istanbul working under Prof Ilhan Ikeda who is at Bosphorus
University Istanbul. I am involved in setting up some seminars, keeping
correspondence with other mathematicians or mathematics students.

I worked for brief periods as a programmer mainly in python on small
projects.

Currently I am working with an electrical technician in Bursa Turkey who is
running an electrical electronical services store.

I am also interested in educational projects.

I am very much into using linux for academic work, I am willing to
introduce other people to linux and possibly set up a local linux users
group where I live.

I am thinking of setting up a server, both for local (at home use), (I have
already set up say samba server or openssh server) to be used only under
one modem. However due to lack of machines dedicated for that purpose the
server is not continuing.

I would like to make a server I set up say at home available at the
workplace as well so that I don't have to run back home while at work. If
possible make the server accessible via a smart phone or some other
computer.

Also in future possibly I would like to set up a web server possibly for
the shop and or for mathematical educational and linux related activities
as well as for myself and friends and maybe local community.

Already gdrive offers opportunities for storing files etc. and wix and some
other sites allow you to build websites and I am sure there are many other
options out there coming from the cloud. But I would like to explore, if
you guys also thinnk it might be a worthwhile endeavor too and worth the
time, to use linux LAMP server or any other option under the linux umbrella
that might be worthwhile. I am thinking of starting small scale since I am
operating on a really tight budget currently. And should I reach better
circumstances whether through finding some potential financial support or
better income myself, I would like to expand on number of things I try.

I am also in interested in humanitarian causes potentially though I would
not call myself very active or an activist I like reading on such issues
and discussing. One potential possibility is to develop projects in
relation to say immigration crisis to do with syria or any other cause...
even to help assist people in say getting help with reaching or finding out
about public services. But at the moment all these are ideas. Nothing
definite yet. I am exploring.

I would like to ask for suggestions like a roadmap that may be worthwhile
to follow.

Thank you in advance for any assistance and ideas and suggestions and
recommendations.

Sincerely

Semih Ozlem

Thx for help

[Gunnar Gervin]

Seeing that reason of troubles with crashes, malfunctions, cursor delay etc
with my exmac was simply that Polyna might be right; that my mac 2,1 uses
EFI not Bios to boot. Why? Cos it works with Linux Mint that only uses EFI
in the distro I'm using. I've dual booted the machine to be able to test
out Mint contra  Debian contra Devuan, with EFI.
And: 1 swallow doesn't make a summer, so 1 asshole doesn't make this
helpsite a shithole. Excuse my French, sir, but that is the best
description I can give to that behavior of yours, calling a row of people
possible trolls out of relatively thin air. Should I be tolerant to an
intolerant or shallow thinker? Yes. But not when those thoughts comes out
in slandering words partially behind my back and partially into my face.
But there should also be consequences to my behaviour of abusing this site
for entire articles that mostly talk a LOT about close to zero.
And then slander quite harshly at a guy who just pointed out a possibility
based on logic a la " If it walks, talks & looks like a duck, it's
probably a duck." Added some "Unusual = Crazy"; which probably is
judgementality
And can lead to an idea that "Low Linux knowledge=Unusual (here)=Craziness
& should be adjusted or told off." Resembles Adolf Hitler's paranoias, or
not ?
Back to my slanders: I take a break to learn enough to be able to define an
IT challenge before I ask for help; at least read a bit to see if I already
have the answer to my question/s. I recall from a recent course I failed:
If I hadn't read the obligatory text/s before the lecture on it, I was all
questions; totally unteachable. If I was prepared (default modus), I was
listening; all. teachable.
So I'll sit back for reading up, training (ex-broken back; can't much sit,
a challenge as reader), or work in some real production.
BR,
Gunnar.

See you in 2023 we'll be free

Re: Thanks for help!

[Georgi Naplatanov]

On 7/11/21 9:18 PM, Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> 
> How repaired hdd in old osx 8.6 mac i386.
> A live usb with debian 10.9 buster did it asked to change from Bios boot
> to Uefi boot & reinstalled hdd. Laptop works. So now can put distro in
> usb, & try which debian based distro works best on Mac osx 10.13.6. MX,
> PsychOS, Manjaro, Debian?
> I liked the software setup in Psychos; many writing tools in it.
> Gunnar

Hi Gunnar,

what is the hardware you want to use with GNU/Linux?

At the beginning you mentioned macOS 8.6 and after that macOS 10.13.6 ???

What do you want to do with GNU/Linux? You mentioned writing software
but what does this mean - software for writers like LibreOffice or
anything else?

if you are looking for high quality software then I would recommend
Debian, Ubuntu LTS releases or something based on them. Rolling release
distributions often are low quality software - they usually have more bugs.

Kind regards
Georgi

Thanks for help!

[Gunnar Gervin]

How repaired hdd in old osx 8.6 mac i386.
A live usb with debian 10.9 buster did it asked to change from Bios boot to
Uefi boot & reinstalled hdd. Laptop works. So now can put distro in usb, &
try which debian based distro works best on Mac osx 10.13.6. MX, PsychOS,
Manjaro, Debian?
I liked the software setup in Psychos; many writing tools in it.
Gunnar

Re: Looking for help with locale configuration

[Rasmus MK]

On fredag 15 januari 2021 kl. 13:58:09 CET Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 09:14:53AM +, Rasmus MK wrote:
> > > > I use KDE. If I look in Settings -> Regional Settings -> Format it
> > > > says
> > > > en_SE.UTF-8 (no adjustments).
> > > > 
> > > > LANG=en_SE.UTF-8
> 
> There is no such locale in the "dpkg-reconfigure locales" list on
> my buster system.
> 
>  │ Locales to be generated: 
> │ │
>   │ │[ ] en_PH.UTF-8 UTF-8 
> ↑   │ │[ ] en_SC.UTF-8 UTF-8   
>   ▮   │ │[ ] en_SG ISO-8859-1  
> ▒   │ │[ ] en_SG.UTF-8 UTF-8   
>   ▒   │ │[ ] en_US ISO-8859-1  
> ↓   │
> 
> If KDE is offering to let you use locales that don't exist on the underlying
> system, I'd say that's a bug in KDE.

Found it. Almost two years old: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=403580

Re: Looking for help with locale configuration

[Rasmus MK]

On fredag 15 januari 2021 kl. 13:56:17 CET Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Jo, 14 ian 21, 19:06:34, Rasmus MK wrote:
> > During the Debian installation (graphical) I configured my locale to be
> > "en_SE.UTF-8".
> 
> Can you explain how you managed to do that?
> 
> Right now im trying the latest daily (for arm64, but it shouldn't
> matter) and if I select Language: English and Country: Sweden the
> installer is telling me this locale doesn't exist and presents me with a
> list to chose from that doesn't include en_SE.

Unfortunately, I do not remember exactly. It was about two months ago and my 
first Debian installation ever. 
I remember installing from the Buster live USB stick because I had to change 
in /etc/apt/sources.list to enable testing. Also I used the "Advanced 
Graphical Installer" in order to select KDE as the desktop environment during 
installation.

I have another computer here that I'm planning to install on in a week or so. 
I will try to reproduce it on that one.

Re: Looking for help with locale configuration

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Vi, 15 ian 21, 17:45:06, Rasmus MK wrote:
> On fredag 15 januari 2021 kl. 13:56:17 CET Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Jo, 14 ian 21, 19:06:34, Rasmus MK wrote:
> > > During the Debian installation (graphical) I configured my locale to be
> > > "en_SE.UTF-8".
> > 
> > Can you explain how you managed to do that?
> > 
> > Right now im trying the latest daily (for arm64, but it shouldn't
> > matter) and if I select Language: English and Country: Sweden the
> > installer is telling me this locale doesn't exist and presents me with a
> > list to chose from that doesn't include en_SE.
> 
> Unfortunately, I do not remember exactly. It was about two months ago and my 
> first Debian installation ever. 
> I remember installing from the Buster live USB stick because I had to change 
> in /etc/apt/sources.list to enable testing. Also I used the "Advanced 
> Graphical Installer" in order to select KDE as the desktop environment during 
> installation.
> 
> I have another computer here that I'm planning to install on in a week or so. 
> I will try to reproduce it on that one.

As far as I know the live image is using the Calamares installer, which 
is different than the Debian Installer.

In case you can reproduce this kindly report a bug against the calamares 
package, it probably shouldn't allow selecting a locale that doesn't 
exist (in the final system).

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser


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Re: Looking for help with locale configuration

[Rasmus MK]

On Friday, 15 January 2021 03:53:54 CET David Wright wrote:
> On Thu 14 Jan 2021 at 19:06:34 (+), Rasmus MK wrote:
> > I'm looking for help in understanding how locales work and how to
> > configure my system running Debian Testing.
> > 
> > During the Debian installation (graphical) I configured my locale to be
> > "en_SE.UTF-8".
> > Recently a python script crashed with the error message "unsupported
> > locale
> > setting" after trying to set LC_ALL to an empty string and I cannot get it
> > to work with the en_SE.UTF-8 locale.
> > 
> > I use KDE. If I look in Settings -> Regional Settings -> Format it says
> > en_SE.UTF-8 (no adjustments).
> > 
> > The output of `locale` is:
> > 
> > locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
> > locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or
> > directory
> > locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
> > LANG=en_SE.UTF-8
> > LANGUAGE=
> > LC_CTYPE="en_SE.UTF-8"
> > LC_NUMERIC="en_SE.UTF-8"
> > LC_TIME="en_SE.UTF-8"
> > LC_COLLATE="en_SE.UTF-8"
> > LC_MONETARY="en_SE.UTF-8"
> > LC_MESSAGES="en_SE.UTF-8"
> > LC_PAPER="en_SE.UTF-8"
> > LC_NAME="en_SE.UTF-8"
> > LC_ADDRESS="en_SE.UTF-8"
> > LC_TELEPHONE="en_SE.UTF-8"
> > LC_MEASUREMENT="en_SE.UTF-8"
> > LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_SE.UTF-8"
> > LC_ALL=
> 
> Those error messages probably indicate that you (accidentally or
> otherwise) unset all the locales. It looks as if you might have done
> this by selecting a locale that's unavailable on your system. (I don't
> know which configuration method you're using.) 

The selection of the non-existent en_SE.UTF-8 locale was made during the 
installation process.

> > I want to have the exact locale settings of en_SE.UTF-8. If possible I
> > would also prefer to avoid being dependant on my desktop environment to
> > configure this (i.e. use localectl or similar). Obviously I also want the
> > Python script to work.
> 
> Has anybody written that locale? You could write your own, as there's
> any number of examples in the directories above, and much of the task
> is just adding copy this and copy that. You would put your own file
> into /usr/local/share/i18n/locales/xx_XX.UTF-8 and its name into the
> file /usr/local/share/i18n/SUPPORTED. Then   dpkg-reconfigure locales
> would offer it amongst the alternatives. (NB Be aware that locales are
> not added to the system cumulatively: you have to specify all you want
> each time you configure them.)

I will absolutely create it myself! Thanks for the advice.

> How much changes for you when you run your software using these
> two locales? Which one suits your software the best? You might find
> that you don't have to set them all to the same value, eg LC_CTYPE
> for changing letter case, and LC_MESSAGES for error messages etc.

Although I think I will go for creating en_SE.UTF-8, this response clears out 
some questions. I think I can how I should deal with locales now. 

Re: Looking for help with locale configuration

[Greg Wooledge]

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 09:14:53AM +, Rasmus MK wrote:
> > > I use KDE. If I look in Settings -> Regional Settings -> Format it says
> > > en_SE.UTF-8 (no adjustments).

> > > LANG=en_SE.UTF-8

There is no such locale in the "dpkg-reconfigure locales" list on
my buster system.

 │ Locales to be generated:  │ 
 │   │ 
 │[ ] en_PH.UTF-8 UTF-8  ↑   │ 
 │[ ] en_SC.UTF-8 UTF-8  ▮   │ 
 │[ ] en_SG ISO-8859-1   ▒   │ 
 │[ ] en_SG.UTF-8 UTF-8  ▒   │ 
 │[ ] en_US ISO-8859-1   ↓   │ 

If KDE is offering to let you use locales that don't exist on the underlying
system, I'd say that's a bug in KDE.

Re: Looking for help with locale configuration

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Jo, 14 ian 21, 19:06:34, Rasmus MK wrote:
> 
> During the Debian installation (graphical) I configured my locale to be 
> "en_SE.UTF-8".

Can you explain how you managed to do that?

Right now im trying the latest daily (for arm64, but it shouldn't 
matter) and if I select Language: English and Country: Sweden the 
installer is telling me this locale doesn't exist and presents me with a 
list to chose from that doesn't include en_SE.

Kind regards,
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Re: Looking for help with locale configuration

[David Wright]

On Thu 14 Jan 2021 at 19:06:34 (+), Rasmus MK wrote:
> 
> I'm looking for help in understanding how locales work and how to configure 
> my 
> system running Debian Testing.
> 
> During the Debian installation (graphical) I configured my locale to be 
> "en_SE.UTF-8".
> Recently a python script crashed with the error message "unsupported locale 
> setting" after trying to set LC_ALL to an empty string and I cannot get it to 
> work with the en_SE.UTF-8 locale.
> 
> I use KDE. If I look in Settings -> Regional Settings -> Format it says 
> en_SE.UTF-8 (no adjustments). 
> 
> The output of `locale` is:
> 
> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
> LANG=en_SE.UTF-8
> LANGUAGE=
> LC_CTYPE="en_SE.UTF-8"
> LC_NUMERIC="en_SE.UTF-8"
> LC_TIME="en_SE.UTF-8"
> LC_COLLATE="en_SE.UTF-8"
> LC_MONETARY="en_SE.UTF-8"
> LC_MESSAGES="en_SE.UTF-8"
> LC_PAPER="en_SE.UTF-8"
> LC_NAME="en_SE.UTF-8"
> LC_ADDRESS="en_SE.UTF-8"
> LC_TELEPHONE="en_SE.UTF-8"
> LC_MEASUREMENT="en_SE.UTF-8"
> LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_SE.UTF-8"
> LC_ALL=

Those error messages probably indicate that you (accidentally or
otherwise) unset all the locales. It looks as if you might have done
this by selecting a locale that's unavailable on your system. (I don't
know which configuration method you're using.)

The list of locales supported should be in /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED
The locales themselves are defined in /usr/share/i18n/locales/*, so
check the ones you want are defined. (My buster has sv_SE.UTF-8,
for example, but not en_SE.UTF-8.)

> A few observations:
> 
> - `dpkg-reconfigure locales` does not let me choose the en_SE.UTF-8 locale. 
> The closest matches are sv_SE.UTF-8 and en_US.UTF-8. /etc/locales.gen also 
> lacks en_SE.UTF-8.

That seems to confirm the above.

> - If I set my locale to sv_SE.UTF-8 or en_US.UTF-8 the python script works 
> fine. Also, the "locale: ..." error messages (?) from the output of `locale 
> -a` 
> disappears.

That should be the case: they're both existing locales.

> - If I use `localectl` to set the locale to something else than is configured 
> in KDE this is not picked up. KDE and `locale` will show different values.

Already covered, I think. I know nothing about KDE.

> I want to have the exact locale settings of en_SE.UTF-8. If possible I would 
> also prefer to avoid being dependant on my desktop environment to configure 
> this (i.e. use localectl or similar). Obviously I also want the Python script 
> to work.

Has anybody written that locale? You could write your own, as there's
any number of examples in the directories above, and much of the task
is just adding copy this and copy that. You would put your own file
into /usr/local/share/i18n/locales/xx_XX.UTF-8 and its name into the
file /usr/local/share/i18n/SUPPORTED. Then   dpkg-reconfigure locales
would offer it amongst the alternatives. (NB Be aware that locales are
not added to the system cumulatively: you have to specify all you want
each time you configure them.)

> I feel like there is something I don't understand. Any advice or explanation 
> would be deeply appreciated!

On Thu 14 Jan 2021 at 20:16:49 (+), Rasmus MK wrote:
[…]
> No, that is not the problem, sorry for being unclear. It has nothing to do 
> with Python. The problem is that the script crashes (when setting LC_ALL) 
> when 
> run with the locale set to en_SV.UTF-8.

I don't think the English-speaking community in El Salvador is large
enough to have come up with en_SV.UTF-8. There is an es_SV.UTF-8
locale, as the majority there speak Spanish.

> If I use sv_SE.UTF-8 or en_US.UTF-8 it 
> works fine. What could be the cause for this?

Those are the standard locales for Swedes in Sweden and Americans
in the US, and are configurable.

How much changes for you when you run your software using these
two locales? Which one suits your software the best? You might find
that you don't have to set them all to the same value, eg LC_CTYPE
for changing letter case, and LC_MESSAGES for error messages etc.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Looking for help with locale configuration

[Rasmus MK]

On Thursday, 14 January 2021 20:46:11 CET Greg Wooledge wrote:
> Once you've got the variables working the way you like with a regular
> shell login (or regular X11 session running a plain window manager),
> then you can try to duplicate that setup in your desktop environment.

I can see now that I have one locale in the console environment and one in the 
desktop environment. this clears out some confusion. Thank you.

> 
> If your actual issue is "when I'm working inside my python virtual
> environment, shit breaks" then I'm afraid I can't help you much with that.
> Maybe someone else on this list knows about locales inside python venvs,
> or maybe you could seek help from a python list.

No, that is not the problem, sorry for being unclear. It has nothing to do 
with Python. The problem is that the script crashes (when setting LC_ALL) when 
run with the locale set to en_SV.UTF-8. If I use sv_SE.UTF-8 or en_US.UTF-8 it 
works fine. What could be the cause for this?

Looking for help with locale configuration

[Rasmus MK]

Hi list,

I'm looking for help in understanding how locales work and how to configure my 
system running Debian Testing.

During the Debian installation (graphical) I configured my locale to be 
"en_SE.UTF-8".
Recently a python script crashed with the error message "unsupported locale 
setting" after trying to set LC_ALL to an empty string and I cannot get it to 
work with the en_SE.UTF-8 locale.

I use KDE. If I look in Settings -> Regional Settings -> Format it says 
en_SE.UTF-8 (no adjustments). 

The output of `locale` is:

locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
LANG=en_SE.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=
LC_CTYPE="en_SE.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC="en_SE.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="en_SE.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="en_SE.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="en_SE.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES="en_SE.UTF-8"
LC_PAPER="en_SE.UTF-8"
LC_NAME="en_SE.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="en_SE.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="en_SE.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="en_SE.UTF-8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_SE.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=

A few observations:

- `dpkg-reconfigure locales` does not let me choose the en_SE.UTF-8 locale. 
The closest matches are sv_SE.UTF-8 and en_US.UTF-8. /etc/locales.gen also 
lacks en_SE.UTF-8.

- If I set my locale to sv_SE.UTF-8 or en_US.UTF-8 the python script works 
fine. Also, the "locale: ..." error messages (?) from the output of `locale -a` 
disappears.

- If I use `localectl` to set the locale to something else than is configured 
in KDE this is not picked up. KDE and `locale` will show different values.

I want to have the exact locale settings of en_SE.UTF-8. If possible I would 
also prefer to avoid being dependant on my desktop environment to configure 
this (i.e. use localectl or similar). Obviously I also want the Python script 
to work.

I feel like there is something I don't understand. Any advice or explanation 
would be deeply appreciated!

// Rasmus

Re: Looking for help with locale configuration

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 07:06:34PM +, Rasmus MK wrote:
> Recently a python script crashed with the error message "unsupported locale 
> setting" after trying to set LC_ALL to an empty string and I cannot get it to 
> work with the en_SE.UTF-8 locale.

Setting any of the LC_* variables to an empty string sounds like an
incredibly bad idea.  I have absolutely no idea what that does, but it
can't be good.  Don't do that.

If you're trying to customize your locale, your best bet is to play
around *outside* of any desktop environment, because some of them have
a nasty tendency to override whatever you do, or make various combinations
and tweaks completely impossible.

Once you've got the variables working the way you like with a regular
shell login (or regular X11 session running a plain window manager),
then you can try to duplicate that setup in your desktop environment.

If your actual issue is "when I'm working inside my python virtual
environment, shit breaks" then I'm afraid I can't help you much with that.
Maybe someone else on this list knows about locales inside python venvs,
or maybe you could seek help from a python list.

Re: Looking for help with locale configuration

[hdv@gmail]

On 2021-01-14 20:06, Rasmus MK wrote:

Hi list,

I'm looking for help in understanding how locales work and how to configure my
system running Debian Testing.

During the Debian installation (graphical) I configured my locale to be
"en_SE.UTF-8".
Recently a python script crashed with the error message "unsupported locale
setting" after trying to set LC_ALL to an empty string and I cannot get it to
work with the en_SE.UTF-8 locale.

I use KDE. If I look in Settings -> Regional Settings -> Format it says
en_SE.UTF-8 (no adjustments).


Please, be aware that KDE uses Qt for its locale settings. This does 
*not* correspond with the "plain" locale setting of your system outside 
of KDE, hence the differences.


Grx HdV

Re: Requesting for help

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On 29-12-2017 19:18, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> On 29-12-2017 18:58, eamanu15 . wrote:
>> Sorry if this is not the correct mailing list, but maybe you can help
>> me. 
>>
>> I have a Lenovo laptop with Windows10 native and UEFI. I read (really
>> a friend) on various forums and tell that Debian installation is
>> difficult  on systems with UEFI. That is correct?
> No.
>
You'll probably have to disable Secure Boot, but otherwise the
installation should not be diferent from BIOS systems. The installer
will detect the use of UEFI and select the correct version of grub.

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Re: Requesting for help

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On 29-12-2017 18:58, eamanu15 . wrote:
> Sorry if this is not the correct mailing list, but maybe you can help
> me. 
>
> I have a Lenovo laptop with Windows10 native and UEFI. I read (really
> a friend) on various forums and tell that Debian installation is
> difficult  on systems with UEFI. That is correct?

No.


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Requesting for help

[eamanu15 .]

Hello everybody,

Sorry if this is not the correct mailing list, but maybe you can help me.

I have a Lenovo laptop with Windows10 native and UEFI. I read (really a
friend) on various forums and tell that Debian installation is difficult
on systems with UEFI. That is correct?

Thanks!
Regards!
Emmanuel

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Re: LACK OF REPONSE TO REQUESTS FOR HELP WHY?

[tom arnall]

Nate,

Thanks for your response. I ended up dealing with the problem by
switching to wicd, but the incident has helped me learn some things
about keyrings. I think my real problem was the one where you flounder
around to the point of desperation looking for a quick fix, instead of
taking the trouble to first get an understanding of the context, in
this case the basic functions of keyrings, before attempting to fix a
specific problem.

Regards,

Tom Arnall
Ensenada, BC

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remain free.



On 12/21/14, Nate Bargmann  wrote:
> * On 2014 21 Dec 01:40 -0600, tom arnall wrote:
>> I installed wheezy a week ago (with the installer which includes
>> xfce), and nm-applet was working fine. But today it won't start and
>> gives the message:
>>
>> WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to:
>> /home/tom/.cache/keyring-4LJPFc/pkcs11: No such file or directory
>
> I am running Sid (Unstable) on my laptop and I have several such
> ~/.cache/keyring-* directories. One of them shows:
>
> $ ls -l ~/.cache/keyring-6imVnR/
> total 0
> srwxr-xr-x 1 nate nate 0 Jul 7 2012 control=
> srwxr-xr-x 1 nate nate 0 Jul 7 2012 gpg=
> srwxr-xr-x 1 nate nate 0 Jul 7 2012 pkcs11=
> srwxr-xr-x 1 nate nate 0 Jul 7 2012 ssh=
>
> Are the permissions on your files the same? Is it possible that you
> initially logged into the desktop as root and then used NM to connect to
> a network? Perhaps just removing that directory (although that specific
> directory name may be stored by nm-applet *somewhere* so just removing
> the directory might not help) might help.
>
> The "files" are actually sockets so the leading 's' is apparently
> required.
>
> - Nate
>
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>
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> possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."
>
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Re: LACK OF REPONSE TO REQUESTS FOR HELP WHY?

[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2014 21 Dec 01:40 -0600, tom arnall wrote:
> I installed wheezy a week ago (with the installer which includes
> xfce), and nm-applet was working fine. But today it won't start and
> gives the message:
> 
> WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to:
> /home/tom/.cache/keyring-4LJPFc/pkcs11: No such file or directory

I am running Sid (Unstable) on my laptop and I have several such
~/.cache/keyring-* directories.  One of them shows:

$ ls -l ~/.cache/keyring-6imVnR/
total 0
srwxr-xr-x 1 nate nate 0 Jul  7  2012 control=
srwxr-xr-x 1 nate nate 0 Jul  7  2012 gpg=
srwxr-xr-x 1 nate nate 0 Jul  7  2012 pkcs11=
srwxr-xr-x 1 nate nate 0 Jul  7  2012 ssh=

Are the permissions on your files the same?  Is it possible that you
initially logged into the desktop as root and then used NM to connect to
a network?  Perhaps just removing that directory (although that specific
directory name may be stored by nm-applet *somewhere* so just removing
the directory might not help) might help.

The "files" are actually sockets so the leading 's' is apparently
required.

- Nate

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Re: LACK OF REPONSE TO REQUESTS FOR HELP WHY?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 21 December 2014 07:38:13 tom arnall wrote:
> about a week ago i posted a question to which no one has responded. i
> think it's a reasonable question for this list. clearly folks on this
> list don't think it's worthwhile to respond to it.

Oh dear. :-(  What on earth leads you to this conclusion?  There is no 
evidence to support it at all.

> can anyone here at 
> least tell me why? 

Presumably no-one knew the answer.  You wouldn't want 2000 "Sorry, don't 
know"s would you?  The rest of us certainly woyuldn't. 

There may have been one or two people who could have answered and didn't, but 
no-one is under any kind of obligation to answer.  And they may have had 
toothache, or a rush on at work, or been getting married or have had a 
bereavement or.

> below is the email is sent to this list: 
>
> i have by the way spent about ten hours googling for an answer. the
> community seems very confused on the issue.

So perhaps the list is too.

Lisi
> ==
> I installed wheezy a week ago (with the installer which includes
> xfce), and nm-applet was working fine. But today it won't start and
> gives the message:
>
> WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to:
> /home/tom/.cache/keyring-4LJPFc/pkcs11: No such file or directory
> ** Message: applet now removed from the notification area
>
> (nm-applet:3589): Gdk-WARNING **: nm-applet: Fatal IO error 11
> (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.
>
>
> Is there a command line procedure to deal with this?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help,
>
> Tom Arnall
>
>
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Re: LACK OF REPONSE TO REQUESTS FOR HELP WHY?

[Jessica Litwin]

If it were my box I'd fix that gnome-keyring error first, since if I
remember correctly, that's where your wifi password gets stored (which
nm-applet uses) Try this:
http://www.blackmoreops.com/2013/11/19/how-to-fix-warning-gnome-keyring-error/


and see if that helps you.

-jkl.




On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 2:38 AM, tom arnall  wrote:

> about a week ago i posted a question to which no one has responded. i
> think it's a reasonable question for this list. clearly folks on this
> list don't think it's worthwhile to respond to it. can anyone here at
> least tell me why?  below is the email is sent to this list:
>
> i have by the way spent about ten hours googling for an answer. the
> community seems very confused on the issue.
>
>
> ==
> I installed wheezy a week ago (with the installer which includes
> xfce), and nm-applet was working fine. But today it won't start and
> gives the message:
>
> WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to:
> /home/tom/.cache/keyring-4LJPFc/pkcs11: No such file or directory
> ** Message: applet now removed from the notification area
>
> (nm-applet:3589): Gdk-WARNING **: nm-applet: Fatal IO error 11
> (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.
>
>
> Is there a command line procedure to deal with this?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help,
>
> Tom Arnall
>
>
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LACK OF REPONSE TO REQUESTS FOR HELP WHY?

[tom arnall]

about a week ago i posted a question to which no one has responded. i
think it's a reasonable question for this list. clearly folks on this
list don't think it's worthwhile to respond to it. can anyone here at
least tell me why?  below is the email is sent to this list:

i have by the way spent about ten hours googling for an answer. the
community seems very confused on the issue.


==
I installed wheezy a week ago (with the installer which includes
xfce), and nm-applet was working fine. But today it won't start and
gives the message:

WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to:
/home/tom/.cache/keyring-4LJPFc/pkcs11: No such file or directory
** Message: applet now removed from the notification area

(nm-applet:3589): Gdk-WARNING **: nm-applet: Fatal IO error 11
(Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.


Is there a command line procedure to deal with this?

Thanks in advance for your help,

Tom Arnall


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Request for help: AMD microcode update testing

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

Debian users with AMD processors, hello!

I am the Debian Developer responsible for the amd64-microcode package, which
deploys microcode updates to AMD x86-64 processors, fixing several processor
bugs and on a few processors, enhancing "perf" functionality.

Unfortunately, there is a _kernel_ bug that is causing some annoyances,
which I'd like to track down as soon as possible.  However, I cannot track
it down without help because I don't have access to any box with an AMD
processor.

So, I need help from someone with an AMD microprocessor that both:

1. Is willing to compile/install and test a few kernel versions;

2. Has a BIOS+processor combination which was updated by the amd64-microcode
   update package in Debian stable.

The testing requires updating the processor microcode, so it cannot be done
on a VM, it has to be done on bare-metal.


The kernel issue seems to be:
  Two [sucessful] AMD processor microcode updates in a row cause the kernel
  to hang the process that initiated the microcode update.

  (the hung process can be killed normally with ^C or kill -9).


If you're willing to test, below is a list of the steps required.  Do note
you're testing a kernel bug, so please don't do it unless you're confortable
with a chance of things going wrong and requiring a hard reset (that
should't happen, but better safe than sorry).

All steps need to be run as root.  I will need to know the exact steps where
the hangs happen.

Note: different versions of the amd64-microcode package can be downloaded
from http://snapshot.debian.org/package/amd64-microcode/


I'd appreciate if you test the Debian kernels in Stable and wheezy-backports
(the latest 3.2 and 3.10 kernels).  It would also be very helpful if you can
test kernel 3.5.2 from www.kernel.org (which is know to be broken).


Step 1:  Run with BIOS microcode:

  1.1. purge the amd64-microcode package
  1.2. reboot. 
  1.3. cat /proc/cpuinfo > /tmp/step1-log.txt

Step 2: Do the first microcode update:

  2.1. modprobe microcode

  2.2. install the amd64-microcode package from Debian stable
   (versions 1.20120910-2 or 2.20120910-1~bpo70+1)

  ** IF THE PACKAGE INSTALL LOOKS LIKE IT HANG, SEE "it hang" BELOW **

  2.3. for kernels 3.0 to 3.5 do this:

   echo -n 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/microcode/reload

   for kernels 3.6 and later, do this:

   echo -n 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/microcode/reload

  ** IF THIS HANGS: try to interrupt with ^C, and if that doesn't work,
 use a second terminal to kill the hung process with kill -9.
  
  2.4. dmesg -c | grep microcode > /tmp/step2-log.txt

Step 3: Do the second microcode update in a row:

  3.1. install the amd64-microcode package from Debian testing/unstable
   (version 2.20131007.1+really20130710.1)

  ** IF THE PACKAGE INSTALL LOOKS LIKE IT HANG, SEE "it hang" BELOW **

  3.2. for kernels 3.0 to 3.5 do this:

   echo -n 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/microcode/reload

   for kernels 3.6 and later, do this:

   echo -n 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/microcode/reload

  ** IF THIS HANGS: try to interrupt with ^C, and if that doesn't work,
 use a second terminal to kill the hung process with kill -9.
  
  3.3. dmesg -c | grep microcode > /tmp/step3-log.txt

Step 4: Cleanup

  If you got a hang on step 2, please purge the amd64-microcode package,
  and wait until the problem is fixed.  I will report back to this thread.
  Alternatively, you can switch to a kernel that doesn't have the problem.

  If you got a hang on step 3, you can use the "add exit 0 to postinst"
  workaround discribed in bug #716917:
  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=716917


** IT HANG **

If you experience hangs, please note the exact step where it happened, and
if possible, please press Sysrq+t and Sysrq+w on the keyboard: that will log
a lot of information to /var/log/kern.log that will help track down the bug
inside the kernel.

After you did that, you can kill the hung process, it will be stuck on state
"D" like this:

ps ax | grep amd64-microcode
 4237 pts/2S+ 0:00 /bin/sh /var/lib/dpkg/info/amd64-microcode.postinst 
configure 2.20120910-1
 4243 pts/2D+ 0:00 /bin/sh /var/lib/dpkg/info/amd64-microcode.postinst 
configure 2.20120910-1

(the version at the end can be different).  Kill the process in D state.

You can force the package to finish installing itself by doing this:

   (echo '#!/bin/sh' ; echo 'exit 0' ) > 
/var/lib/dpkg/info/amd64-microcode.postinst
   chmod +x /var/lib/dpkg/info/amd64-microcode.postinst
   dpkg --pending --configure


** SENDING ME THE DATA **

If you got any hangs, I'd appreciate the logs.  Please send them to me
*directly* (and not to the mailing-list), and if possible compress them
first (with something like gzip, bzip2 or xz).  I also need to know the
exact steps where the kernel hang.

The logs are in /tmp/step*-log.txt, and /var/log/kern.log.

If you did NOT get any hangs, just reply to the email and tell me your
kerne

Re: For Help!

[Morel Bérenger]

Le Ven 8 février 2013 8:19, s. keeling a écrit :
> Aijun Xuan :
>
>> ---485831647-466411508-1354984718=:50704
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>>
>> Hello, Debian:
>>
>>
>> First of all, I would like appreciate what Debian had offered to
>> us! I would thank GUN very much!
>>
>> I am a new user. I just set up Debian in my desktop computer. I
>> have a problem. I can use the internet browser in Gnom when I am in
>> Debian's main page. But I can not browse any other pages like
>> yahoo, google etc.
>>
>> I know I am aware of Linux very little. Please help me out if you
>> have time!
>
> I suggest you spend time poring over the contents of wiki.debian.org.
> The answers you wish are all there.

Or at least give more explanations about your error. Saying "I can not
browse other pages" is like... well, imagine you know cars very well, and
some guy come and say: "help me, my car does not work. What should I do?".
You could not help, because there are not enough informations for you,
except if you are a sorcerer with a magic crystal ball.


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[s. keeling]

Aijun Xuan :
>  ---485831647-466411508-1354984718=:50704
>  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
>  Hello, Debian:
> 
>  First of all, I would like appreciate what Debian had offered to
>  us! I would thank GUN very much!
> 
>  I am a new user. I just set up Debian in my desktop computer. I
>  have a problem. I can use the internet browser in Gnom when I am in
>  Debian's main page. But I can not browse any other pages like
>  yahoo, google etc. 
> 
>  I know I am aware of Linux very little. Please help me out if you
>  have time!

I suggest you spend time poring over the contents of wiki.debian.org.
The answers you wish are all there.


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Re: For Help!

[berenger . morel]

This sounds like you does not have internet access correctly 
configured.


Did you tried anything to know what is happening?

Le 08.12.2012 17:38, Aijun Xuan a écrit :

Hello, Debian:

First of all, I would like appreciate what Debian had offered to us!
I would thank GUN very much!

I am a new user. I just set up Debian in my desktop computer. I have
a problem. I can use the internet browser in Gnom when I am in
Debian's main page. But I can not browse any other pages like yahoo,
google etc.

I know I am aware of Linux very little. Please help me out if you
have time!

Thanks! Best Regard!

Aijun, Xuan



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For Help!

[Aijun Xuan]

Hello, Debian:

First of all, I would like appreciate what Debian had offered to us! I would 
thank GUN very much!

I am a new user. I just set up Debian in my desktop computer. I have a problem. 
I can use the internet browser in Gnom when I am in Debian's main page. But I 
can not browse any other pages like yahoo, google etc.

I know I am aware of Linux very little. Please help me out if you have time!

Thanks! Best Regard!

Aijun, Xuan 

thanks for help with printer

[Jude DaShiell]

A friend came over and the printer now is alive and working.  It does need 
a new printer cartridge and I know where to get those so should be 
printing in a few days.




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Looking for help with maintainance of a package

[Rogério Brito]

Dear people,

I am the maintainer of hfsprogs, which is a package taken from Apple's
Darwin code that provides a mkfs.hfs{,plus} and, more importantly,
fsck.hfs{,plus}.

Unfortunately, the present version has problems not being 64-bit clean
and, as a result, I had to restrict the list of architectures to those
that are 32 bit only.

This has been reported as bug #436159 on our bug tracking system. As I
myself have all the interest to have this package available on as many
architectures as possible (since, in particular, I use an amd64 machine,
but keep some of my data/backups on external HDs formatted with HFS+),
it would be ideal to have it as arch: any.

But alas, it is not. :-( It won't compile without a number of patches
and I have already got Gentoo's patch as a starting point for the
package. But it would be better to have it divided as a series of
independent patches (as I already use quilt to manage the patches). I
have already started doing this.

Seeing that Apple has released a new version to match their Leopard
release, it would be a good thing to keep the patches separate as some
parts will apply nicely while others are obsolete now (the code has
changed a bit, but not much).

As I posted on ubuntuforums.org [*], for this goal, I would like to see
if there are interested developers so that I would create a project on
Alioth to maintain patches that are team-maintained and which would
clean up miscoding, warnings, consistency, correctness and, perhaps,
submit them upstream so that we can reduce our work in the future (and
have a more solid filesystem for exchange of data between computers).

I have already made a package yesterday that uses the 32-bit emulation
of amd64 to have a functioning fsck.hfsplus program and I plan on
uploading it to experimental, but it is based on older source code, not
on the new upstream version (let's move one step at a time).

So, that is it. If you have interest and know of more people interested
in this (like Ubuntu people), please let me know. BTW, as I am not
subscribed to any specific Debian list nowadays (besides
-devel-announce), I would appreciate CC's.


Regards, Rogério Brito.

[*] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4919975
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Re: [Request for Help] Recommender system for Debian packages

[Diego Pereira]

Greetings list,

Firstly, I'd like to greatly thank everyone who installed and used the
system so far.

Secondly, I'd like to ask another bit of help. I've put a poll online in
order to find out what is the impression you are getting from the
recommendations/suggestions received. It can be reached through the project
wiki http://debommender.sourceforge.net/  via
the "Poll" link.

Thank you again for your attention.

Diego Pereira.

On 5/25/07, Diego Pereira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Dear All,

I'm currently working in my graduation project, which is a recommendersystem 
for Debian packages.

The purpose of the system is to evaluate which packages are mostly used,
much like what popularity-contest does, but then go one step further and
suggest packages which might possibly be of interest to you.

The implementation is done, but the system would require real user
information (the more, the better) so the degree of success in generating
recommendations could be assessed. Therefore, I would like to humbly request
your help in providing such information.

Details on how to deploy and use the system can be found in
http://debommender.sf.net/ it's really easy. The sources are available via
anonymous sourceforge cvs access, if you wish.

Any doubts, comments or suggestions, please feel free to contact me
privately.

Thank you very much for your attention,
Diego Pereira.
Instituto de Informática - UFRGS (www.ufrgs.br)

Re: [Request for Help] Recommender system for Debian packages

[Diego Pereira]

Greetings Roberto,

yes, I'm aware of debtags. I'm also aware of popsuggest, which has very much
the same purpose of my system. However, debommender recommends packages
based on package descriptions, and similarity between users, as of know. I
intend to include support for tags-based recommendations, but haven't been
able to find the time.

Thanks for the response.

Regards,
Diego.

On 5/25/07, Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Fri, May 25, 2007 at 01:54:29AM -0300, Diego Pereira wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I'm currently working in my graduation project, which is a recommender
> system for Debian packages.
>
> The purpose of the system is to evaluate which packages are mostly used,
> much like what popularity-contest does, but then go one step further and
> suggest packages which might possibly be of interest to you.
>
Have you looked at the new package tags system?

Regards,

-Roberto
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Re: [Request for Help] Recommender system for Debian packages

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Fri, May 25, 2007 at 01:54:29AM -0300, Diego Pereira wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> I'm currently working in my graduation project, which is a recommender
> system for Debian packages.
> 
> The purpose of the system is to evaluate which packages are mostly used,
> much like what popularity-contest does, but then go one step further and
> suggest packages which might possibly be of interest to you.
> 
Have you looked at the new package tags system?

Regards,

-Roberto
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[Request for Help] Recommender system for Debian packages

[Diego Pereira]

Dear All,

I'm currently working in my graduation project, which is a recommender
system for Debian packages.

The purpose of the system is to evaluate which packages are mostly used,
much like what popularity-contest does, but then go one step further and
suggest packages which might possibly be of interest to you.

The implementation is done, but the system would require real user
information (the more, the better) so the degree of success in generating
recommendations could be assessed. Therefore, I would like to humbly request
your help in providing such information.

Details on how to deploy and use the system can be found in
http://debommender.sf.net/ it's really easy. The sources are available via
anonymous sourceforge cvs access, if you wish.

Any doubts, comments or suggestions, please feel free to contact me
privately.

Thank you very much for your attention,
Diego Pereira.
Instituto de Informática - UFRGS (www.ufrgs.br)

Re: Thx for Help, problem with links in mails remains

[Joe Hart]

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mad4linux wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> First i'd like to thank you for the help concerning the problem with
> email-adresses opening in evolution when using iceweasel on kde. This
> problem is now fixed after selectingthe right entries in
> /usr/share/applications/default-applications.desktop
> 
> But i've got a similar problem when clicking on links in my mails in
> icedove. This links always open in Konqueror, altough i've set the
> standard browser in kde's configuration screen to iceweasel. The
> standard browser for gnome is now iceweasel as well (set in
> /usr/share/applications/default-applications.desktop).
> 
> But links still open in Konqueror, when klicking on them in icedove (or
> the kde helpsystem per example).
> 
> Any hints?
> 
> 

AFAIK, your problem is likely related to the alternatives that Debian
uses.  I would check what your default x-web-browser is with the
update-alternatives command.  This is most likely set to Konqueror.

You can see which are available by issuing the command (as root)

update-alternatives --list x-www-browser

To change the default browser for the system, use:

update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /usr/bin/iceweasel

That should take care of your problem.

Joe

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Thx for Help, problem with links in mails remains

[mad4linux]

Hi,
First i'd like to thank you for the help concerning the problem with email-adresses opening in evolution when using iceweasel on kde. 
This problem is now fixed after selectingthe right entries in /usr/share/applications/default-applications.desktop


But i've got a similar problem when clicking on links in my mails in icedove. 
This links always open in Konqueror, altough i've set the standard browser in 
kde's configuration screen to iceweasel. The standard browser for gnome is now 
iceweasel as well (set in /usr/share/applications/default-applications.desktop).

But links still open in Konqueror, when klicking on them in icedove (or the kde 
helpsystem per example).

Any hints?


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Re: Call for help on making a LILO bootscreen for Etch

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Andrés Roldán wrote:
> I'd thank any Debian user that will be
> willing to create a DFSG-compliant image to merge it with the LILO
> package for Etch.

While you're at it, the CD artwork on
http://www.de.debian.org/CD/artwork/
looks a bit outdated as well, with most CD cover pictures featuring
'woody'.

Johannes


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Call for help on making a LILO bootscreen for Etch

[Andrés Roldán]

Hi all, the LILO package for Debian has been using bootscreens for each 
distribution. Currently there is a bootscreen for woody, sarge and sid 
but there is not one for etch. I'd thank any Debian user that will be 
willing to create a DFSG-compliant image to merge it with the LILO 
package for Etch.


These links can be useful for creating a LILO bootscreen:

http://jimbomania.com/bootscreen-howto.html?PHPSESSID=6e7beb76100f7207a921a7e573e0318e
http://www.13thfloor.at/old/Software/lilo-splash/Example/


Please, drop me a note off-list as I am not currently subscribed to 
debian-users.


Thanks.


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Re: EFF call for help against restrictive patents

[hendrik]

On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 06:48:12PM +, Richard Lyons wrote:
> EFF is trying to bust some more patents.  In brief one is a patent on
> virtual domains, I think more or less as implemented by Apache for I don't
> know how long.  Details are here:
>   
> and  more on the Patent Busting Project is here:
>   
> 
> I am not expert enough to help them, but I am sure someone here is...
> 
> Apologies for OT again

OT?  If this isn't of interest to Debian users, I don't know what *is*!

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(OT) EFF call for help against restrictive patents

[Richard Lyons]

EFF is trying to bust some more patents.  In brief one is a patent on
virtual domains, I think more or less as implemented by Apache for I don't
know how long.  Details are here:
  
and  more on the Patent Busting Project is here:
  

I am not expert enough to help them, but I am sure someone here is...

Apologies for OT again

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Docbook is broken, where do I ask for help? Bug#318817

[Karl O. Pinc]

Hi,

I'm running Debian Sarge, having started maybe
a year ago when it was still testing.  Some
months ago docbook broke.  I worked around it
for a while but eventually filed a bug report:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=318817

  When I generate any sort of output from docbook I get
  the message:

  I/O error : Attempt to load network entity
  http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.3/docbookx.dtd

(And, I can't generate pdf output.)

Although I apparently did not file it for the right
package the maintainer helped me anyway, reaching
the conclusion that a catalog was not right.

Here's the md5sum for my catalog, I'd appreciate
knowing if it's different from anybody else's
catalog.

$ md5sum /usr/share/xml/docbook/schema/dtd/4.3/catalog.xml
38f29b4ec05fa3341d37690bd2605120   
/usr/share/xml/docbook/schema/dtd/4.3/catalog.xml


The bug supposedly got transferred to the right
maintainer, but it was closed by the original maintainer
when he found the problem was not in his package.

I don't want to keep submitting the same bug over
and over to different packages until I get lucky.

What should I do?  Do other Sarge users have
problems with docbook/xmlto/xsltproc?
I suspect maybe there's just a dependency that's
not installed (and not recommended by the installed
packages?)

I really do need to get docbook working.

Thanks for the help.

Karl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Re: Thanks for help with k3b

[Ms Linuz]

Benjamin Sher wrote:

>Dear friends:
>
>My thanks to all of you who were kind enough to share your 
>expertise in helping a Debian newbie resolve the k3b user vs. root 
>issue. I'm sure I'll have a change somewhere along the line to 
>help someone else with the same problem.
>
>Learning something new every day.
>
>Thanks again.
>
>Benjamin
>
>
>  
>
Keep ruining !!! ;-)

Note: and pls I think it is wiser to put the line 'test: please ignore'
  in you subject line rather in the email body
  Safe one click.


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Thanks for help with k3b

[Benjamin Sher]

Dear friends:

My thanks to all of you who were kind enough to share your 
expertise in helping a Debian newbie resolve the k3b user vs. root 
issue. I'm sure I'll have a change somewhere along the line to 
help someone else with the same problem.

Learning something new every day.

Thanks again.

Benjamin


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Re: [Request for Help] MBOX-Project seeks for Mboxes :-)

[Martin Mewes]

Hi all, hallo Leute ...

Thanks to / Vielen Dank an

Rene Engelhard

... of the Debian-Team to arrange a massive download of all requested 
files. We could not do without you :-)

... vom Debian-Team, der einen massiven Download aller angefragten 
Dateien mÃglich machte. Wir hÃtte es ohne Dich nicht geschaft :-)
   
bis dahin/kind regards
   
Martin Mewes
   
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[Request for Help] MBOX-Project seeks for Mboxes :-)

[Martin Mewes]

Hallo zusammen, hi all,

English first - Deutsch folgt:
~~

After first problems my MBOX-Project [1] is running OK and now I search 
for content.

First goal of the project is to install a central possibility to gather 
lost messages from mailing-lists which did not reach the recipient for 
various reasons (missconfigured eMail-Clients/-Servers [2], 
network-hickups).

The testphase in 2004 was well and after little problems on the 
01/01/2005 mailinglists are now archived properly.

Second goal of the project will be to develop some (possibly perl-based) 
software which can be handled via eMail to get certain lost messages 
out of the archives attached to an eMail in a (zip||tar.gz||tar.bz2) to 
import them to your $mail_client. There is a mailing-list [3] and an 
empty CVS already. More info on this can be obtained by subscribing to 
the list.

Back to point one.

I am searching for complete editions of the years 2002, 2003 and 2004 of 
the following mailing-lists [4], mbox is prefeered (so no conversion is 
needed), but there is a conversion-script for maildir available as 
well. Some of the lists are complete already, but you know: Better 
check twice :-)

Another important point is to have the eMail-Headers complete, so we can 
check them to find something unique (important for SuSE-Lists) in them.

There are several options to give us your valued archives.

a) I download them [5].
b) You will get a FTP-Account and upload them (scp possible) [5].
c) Via eMail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as attachment (Maximum Size: 30 MB per 
eMail) [5]

Kind regards and thanks for listening

Christian Boltz (suse at cboltz dot de)
Martin Mewes (mm at mewes dot de)

##

Nach anfÃnglichen Schwierigkeiten haben ich nun mein MBOX-Projekt [1] im 
Griff und suche nun Inhalt.

Ziel des Projektes ist es erstmal eine zentrale Anlaufstelle fÃr 
verlorengegangene Mailinglisten-Mails zu sein, die entweder aufgrund 
de/ver-konfigurierter Mailclients/-server [2], Netzwerkschluckauf oder 
sonstiger Dinge den EmpfÃnger nicht erreicht haben.

Die Testphase Ende 2004 verlief recht gut und nach kleineren Problemen 
am 01.01.2005 wird nun fleissig gesammelt und archiviert.

Als nÃchstes starte ich nun mit bisher einem Mitstreiter die 
Programmierung einer (wahrscheinlich) Perl-Skript basierten Software, 
die man via eMail bedienen kann, um sich aus den gesammelten Archiven 
einzelne Mails als Anhang (zip||tar.gz||tar.bz2) einer eMail zusenden 
lassen kann. HierfÃr existiert eine Mailingliste [3] und auch ein 
bisher leeres CVS. Mehr Infos dazu auf der Mailingliste.

Aber zurÃck zu Punkt Eins.

Ich suche komplette Edititionen der Jahre 2002, 2003 und 2004 der 
folgenden Mailinglisten [4} am liebsten im mbox-Format, damit ich diese 
nicht erst konvertieren muÃ. FÃr maildirs existiert ein 
Konverterskript. FÃr einige dieser Listen bin ich zwar komplett, aber 
doppelt geprÃft ist besser :-)

Wichtig ist mir weiterhin, daà die kompletten Header erhalten sind, 
damit wir prÃfen kÃnnen, welcher Header (vor allem fÃr die SuSE-Listen) 
so eine Art "eindeutiges Merkmal" darstellt.

Es gibt mehrere MÃglichkeiten, mir diese Archive zukommen zu lassen.

a) Ich lade diese bei Euch runter [5]
b) Ihr bekommt einen FTP-Account und ladet diese direkt auf meinen 
Server hoch (scp mÃglich) [5].
c) Via eMail and [EMAIL PROTECTED] als Anhang (Begrenzung: 30 MB pro eMail) 
[5].

Danke fÃr Eure Aufmerksamkeit ...

Christian Boltz (mbox-archiv at cboltz dot de)
Martin Mewes (mm at mewes dot de)

[1] http://mbox.mewes.tv/
[2] Grund des Projektes / Reason of the project ;-)
[3] http://mailman.mamemu.de/mailman/listinfo/mbox-archiv
[4] * debian-announce
* debian-changes
* debian-devel
* debian-devel-announce
* debian-kde
* debian-kernel
* debian-mentors
* debian-news
* debian-news-german
* debian-security
* debian-security-announce
* debian-user
* debian-user-german
* securityfocus-bugtraq
* securityfocus-linux
* securityfocus-ms
* suse-autoinstall
* suse-linux
* suse-linux-e
* suse-ot
* suse-security
* suse-security-announce
* webadmin-list
* webadmin-devel
* webadmin-trans
[5] Dateiname/Fielname (please): 
$listname-$year(-$month(-$day)).(zip||tar.gz||tar.bz2)

   
   
bis dahin/kind regards
   
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Re: Call for help: TiMidity++ aRts users

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Marco Correia wrote:
> I'm having trouble with arts+timidity. 

Someone that is used to ARTS really should spend some time improving the
ARTS support in TiMidity++, it basically sucks...

> TiMidity++ version 2.13.2
> kde 3.3
> Gentoo Linux

Unless gentoo uses the debian package (and AFAIK it does not) then ARTS
support in their TiMidity++ is terminantely broken.  It will be fixed in
2.13.3, since I sent the fixes upstream and they were accepted.

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Re: Call for help: TiMidity++ aRts users

[Marco Correia]

hi,

I'm having trouble with arts+timidity. 

If I use arts and timidity -Os it says that it cannot open the pcm device, but 
I assume that is the expected since arts is already using it.

If I use -Or, then timidity loads successfully but I cannot here any sound 
when I play a midi file with timidity in foreground or timidity in background 
and pmidi.

If I disable arts in the kde control center and use -Os then everything works.

TiMidity++ version 2.13.2
kde 3.3
Gentoo Linux

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Call for help: TiMidity++ aRts users

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

This is a call for help of all TiMidity++ users that use it with aRts mode
(KDE).

I have just uploaded a TiMidity++ release to unstable (2.13.2-3) that tries
to fix some troublesome aRts issues.  It will go into testing in 10 days, if
everyhing is alright with the dependencies.  

I am very strict about very high quality packaging, so I will not let
TiMidity++ with broken aRts support into the next stable, no matter what the
costs.  And I cannot test the TiMidity++ aRts output.

What that means is that if I don't get any sort of reports to work with (of
either failure or success) in 10 days, I will have to remove aRts support
from TiMidity++ for sarge with a high priority upload.  Should that happen,
I will re-enable aRts support in unstable after sarge releases, of course.

Thus, this call for help.  So, please, if you like aRts and would like to
have it supported natively in sarge's TiMidity, test the new TiMidity++
packages in sid and report back.

Note that due to aRts long standing bugs, aRts auto-detection has been
removed from the TiMidity++ 2.13.2-3 package, so you have to tell TiMidity
to use aRts manually (give it the -OR switch, or configure it accordingly
in /etc/timidity/timidity.cfg).

I am especially interested in these tests:
  1. Does it work at all if you tell it to use aRts (timidity -OR) ?
  2. Does it work if you stop the playback for some time (above your
 aRts automatic suspend timeout, tipically 60s) and start playing
 again?
  3. If you give it a few MIDI/MOD files, does it work when you tell it
 to skip to the next file while still playing the previous file?
 Even if you are using the GTK+ interface (timidity -ig -OR) ?
  4. Does it work in ALSA synt mode at all with aRts output
 (timidity -iA -OR, you will need to feed it MIDI files through the
  ALSA sequencer using rosegarden, or pmidi, or something like that)?

If some aRts enthusiasts would be so kind as to email me offering their help
in testing further TiMidity aRts fixes, I am sure I could bring TiMidity aRts
support up to par with the native ALSA support (hint: aRts is severely
crippled on TiMidity upstream if you compare it to native ALSA, and nobody
upstream is working on it at all).

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Re: Request for help in tracking down a bug in X or hardware.

[Jacob S.]

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:35:06 -0600
Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am running Xwindows on Sarge. I have an S3 Savage video card.
> I have a strange problem in web browsers that use the Mozilla,
> i.e. all but Opera. My problem seems to occur with only one
> web site, namely www.theregister.co.uk , and not always even 
> with that site. Sometimes when I bring up a page at that site,
> I get a region on my screen that is filled with narrow horizontal
> black and white lines. In particular, I just opened
> 
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/20/sp2_scripting_vuln/
> 
> amd got such a region on the far left of the screen, top to bottom,
> and 55mm wide.  I can clear them from the screen by ctl-alt-F1
> followed by alt-F7. 
> 
> I have several ideas as to what could cause this:
> 
> 1. video card hardware is dieing.
> 2. bad XF86Config-4
> 3. uniquely weird html at that web site only
> 4. bug in Savage driver
> 5. bug in Mozilla
> 
> I don't really like any of these theories, but still, the problem
> is there. Does anyone have any other ideas? 
> 
> AND in particular, does anyone on the list have similar hardware, run
> Sarge, and either sees the problem, or doesn't see it? Perhaps, you
> would be willing to help off-list by running tests and sharing
> results?

I too am having this problem with a S3 Savage 4 card, running Sarge. I
only noticed it after upgrading to Sarge.

Since it only happened after the upgrade I haven't considered
possibility #1 much. Working with html for a living, I haven't been able
to find anything that would look like it would cause #3 (there are two
websites that cause this - sometimes - for me; one being
www.washtimes.com).

I have always thought this was probably #5, but can't reproduce it often
enough to file a bug report. It does, however, seem to happen the most
often when I'm using Galeon (it probably doesn't help that I almost
always have about 9 windows and 50+ webpages open, either).

I would definitely be interested in working with someone to help track
this down; it gets a little irritating at times, since this is on the
computer I use for work all day long.

Also, I'm using Ice for my window manager. I've seen some other quirks
that make me wonder if it's not a weird interaction between Ice and
Mozilla to cause this problem.

Jacob

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Re: Request for help in tracking down a bug in X or hardware.

[Carl Fink]

On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 04:35:06PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> I am running Xwindows on Sarge. I have an S3 Savage video card.
> I have a strange problem in web browsers that use the Mozilla,
> i.e. all but Opera. My problem seems to occur with only one
> web site, namely www.theregister.co.uk , and not always even 
> with that site. Sometimes when I bring up a page at that site,
> I get a region on my screen that is filled with narrow horizontal
> black and white lines. In particular, I just opened
> 
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/20/sp2_scripting_vuln/
> 
> amd got such a region on the far left of the screen, top to bottom,
> and 55mm wide.  I can clear them from the screen by ctl-alt-F1
> followed by alt-F7. 

I just opened it in Firefox and Mozilla proper, no such region.  I have an
S3 Savage4.
 
> 1. video card hardware is dieing.

My guess.
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Request for help in tracking down a bug in X or hardware.

[Paul E Condon]

I am running Xwindows on Sarge. I have an S3 Savage video card.
I have a strange problem in web browsers that use the Mozilla,
i.e. all but Opera. My problem seems to occur with only one
web site, namely www.theregister.co.uk , and not always even 
with that site. Sometimes when I bring up a page at that site,
I get a region on my screen that is filled with narrow horizontal
black and white lines. In particular, I just opened

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/20/sp2_scripting_vuln/

amd got such a region on the far left of the screen, top to bottom,
and 55mm wide.  I can clear them from the screen by ctl-alt-F1
followed by alt-F7. 

I have several ideas as to what could cause this:

1. video card hardware is dieing.
2. bad XF86Config-4
3. uniquely weird html at that web site only
4. bug in Savage driver
5. bug in Mozilla

I don't really like any of these theories, but still, the problem
is there. Does anyone have any other ideas? 

AND in particular, does anyone on the list have similar hardware, run
Sarge, and either sees the problem, or doesn't see it? Perhaps, you
would be willing to help off-list by running tests and sharing results?


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Re: (no subject) [AOL user calling for help]

[Nicolas Kratz]

On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 09:38:43AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I WOULD LIKE TO USE COREL OR WORDPERFECT TO MAKE BUSINESS CARDS FOR MY 
> HUSBAND BUT DOWNLOADED THE PROGRAM ON HIS ACCOUNT AND HE'S NOT THE ADMINISTRATOR.  
> HOW DO I CHANGE THIS SO I CAN ACHIEVE WHAT I NEED TO DO

First of all, let go of your Shift key, or unlock Caps. Writing in all
uppercase is considered yelling and quite rude by some, annoying because
it is hard to read by most.

Then, if your husband's computer is running Debian GNU/Linux, which is
what this mailing list is all about, then neither Corel Draw nor
WordPerfect will run. Try the OpenOffice suite of programs. Ask whoever
is admin of that machine to install it for you.

If you are running Windows, which I strongly suspect, sorry. No help to
be expected here. Zilch. Nada.

Either way, please step away from your husband's computer before you
accidentally damage it.

Cheers,
Nick

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Re: Asking for help: installing debian on Athlon needing nvidia driver

[Damon L. Chesser]

Monique Y. Herman wrote:

On 2004-03-02, Sis penned:
 

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Kenward Vaughan wrote:

   

You should start a new thread for a new question.  You are more
likely to catch people that way, should they be cruisin'n'bruisin' by
Subject in a threaded reader.
 

  Hmmm. I'm not sure what you mean, since i just sent in a message
  with my own subject. Isn't that starting a new thread? But,
  nevertheless...
   

If you just hit reply, the headers for the e-mail still indicate the old 
thread.  Not all lists work that way, but this one does.  So, write a 
new message and insert the debian user list address for "to:"

   

Actually, it's not.  To start your own thread, you need to mail the list
directly, rather than replying.  

 



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Re: Asking for help: installing debian on Athlon needing nvidia driver

[Monique Y. Herman]

On 2004-03-02, Sis penned:
> On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Kenward Vaughan wrote:
>
>> You should start a new thread for a new question.  You are more
>> likely to catch people that way, should they be cruisin'n'bruisin' by
>> Subject in a threaded reader.
>
>Hmmm. I'm not sure what you mean, since i just sent in a message
>with my own subject. Isn't that starting a new thread? But,
>nevertheless...
>

Actually, it's not.  To start your own thread, you need to mail the list
directly, rather than replying.  

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Re: Asking for help: installing debian on Athlon needing nvidia driver

[Sis]

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Kenward Vaughan wrote:

> You should start a new thread for a new question.  You are more likely
> to catch people that way, should they be cruisin'n'bruisin' by Subject in a
> threaded reader.

   Hmmm. I'm not sure what you mean, since i just sent in a message
with my own subject. Isn't that starting a new thread? But,
nevertheless...

> On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 06:50:09PM -0800, Sis wrote:
> ...
> >I just acquired a 2 year old computer with Athlon 1800+
> >...
> >Any clues as to how i can install Debian on this box, using the
> > onboard nic, would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Caveat: IANAG. I'm not sure how tight the ties are between the kernel
> and BIOS on things like onboard NICs, but the first place I'd start is
> in BIOS, looking to disable the onboard one.

   Bingo! Thank you very much. That's what i did and the nic i
inserted is working just fine. Now, if i could just get the nic part
of the nvidia onboard to work i would really be thrilled.

> The Linux section on that forum seems relatively sharp about this sort
> of stuff.  You might consider signing up ( www.amdmb.com and follow the
> forum link) and posting the question there too.  They'll need much more
> information about the MB, of course, as well as possibly the stock
> kernel being used.  Others here likely could use that info as well. ;-)

   I will check out their forum.

   Thank you again.

ps

> Kenward
> --
> In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be
> _teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less,
> because passing civilization along from one generation to the next
> ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone
> could have. - Lee Iacocca

   I couldn't agree more.


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Re: Asking for help: installing debian on Athlon needing nvidia driver

[Kenward Vaughan]

You should start a new thread for a new question.  You are more likely
to catch people that way, should they be cruisin'n'bruisin' by Subject in a
threaded reader.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 06:50:09PM -0800, Sis wrote:
...
>I just acquired a 2 year old computer with Athlon 1800+
> motherboard, including an nvidia based NIC. I tried to install
> Debian using a CD that i normally use and, of course, it doesn't
> recognize the nic because the nvidia drivers are not provided. I
> then put in a 3C905 card to "temporarily" use to get to the network.
> But when i use the CD, the boot hangs and never gets to the
> installation. I remove the 3C905 and everything works again... of
> course, without the network! Argh.
> 
>Any clues as to how i can install Debian on this box, using the
> onboard nic, would be greatly appreciated.

Caveat: IANAG. I'm not sure how tight the ties are between the kernel
and BIOS on things like onboard NICs, but the first place I'd start is
in BIOS, looking to disable the onboard one.

Second idea is whether you know the card is hardwired to an irq which
conflicts directly with something else? (I used to have this happen
with ISA--don't know if the same may happen on PCI systems.)

Another thought would be to move the card physically to a different
slot.  There may be early confusion because of sharing the slot's
irq/id/whatever-it's-called-thingy with another, major subsystem such
as the video card or HD's.  (I remember reading something about this on
the AMD forum not too long ago.)

The Linux section on that forum seems relatively sharp about this sort
of stuff.  You might consider signing up ( www.amdmb.com and follow the
forum link) and posting the question there too.  They'll need much more
information about the MB, of course, as well as possibly the stock
kernel being used.  Others here likely could use that info as well. ;-)

HTH,

Kenward
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Asking for help: installing debian on Athlon needing nvidia driver

[Sis]

Hello,

   I have just subscribed, so please let me know if there is an
archived answer/FAQ i should be reading. (I found some but not the
answer to my question.)

   I just acquired a 2 year old computer with Athlon 1800+
motherboard, including an nvidia based NIC. I tried to install
Debian using a CD that i normally use and, of course, it doesn't
recognize the nic because the nvidia drivers are not provided. I
then put in a 3C905 card to "temporarily" use to get to the network.
But when i use the CD, the boot hangs and never gets to the
installation. I remove the 3C905 and everything works again... of
course, without the network! Argh.

   Any clues as to how i can install Debian on this box, using the
onboard nic, would be greatly appreciated.

   Thank you in advance.


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[Fwd: Re: segmentation_fault: qestion for help]

[steef]

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: segmentation_fault: qestion for help
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 06:41:11 -0700 (PDT)


hello out there,

can anybody please tell me how to redress a sudden segmentation-fault in de
package manager on debian, woody3.0, standardkernel bf24 ??
kind regards,

steef

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segmentation_fault: qestion for help

[steef]

hello out there,

can anybody please tell me how to redress a sudden segmentation-fault in de 
package manager on debian, woody3.0, standardkernel bf24 ??

kind regards,

steef

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FreeS/Wan and masquerdaing routing question... (was desperate for help! freeswan attempt: can exhange keys but no access to other net after!)

[Martin Edward John Waller]

--- Begin Message ---
John Sullivan wrote:

>
>
> It looks like you're sending SYN packets but
> never receiving an ACK.  My guess would be that
> the internal device does not know how to get to
> 192.168.201.0/24 or it does know but it knows
> wrongly, i.e., some router is sending the
> packets to some other path.  Hope this helps -
> John
>
> > John A. Sullivan III
> > Group Technology Director
> > Nexus Management
> > +1 207-985-7880
>

Ok - thanks.  I'm not sure what is meant by 'the
internal device' but assuming routing is the issue
here's my setup and routing info at my end - is it
correct for what I'm trying to do?



  192.168.0.*
194.216.251.1==194.216.251.254
-
212.46.128.11=aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd
=192.168.201.*
 [private subnet [firewall
= left]  [router = leftnexthop]
[internet] [router = rightnexthop]
[my static IP = right]   [my private
subnet
I want to
access]
(masqueraded)]

My masquerading script and ispec.conf are
attached.


Here's my routing table when connections me-fw1
and me-flo are up:

netstat -nr
Kernel IP routing table
Destination  Gateway
Genmask Flags  MSS Window  irtt
Iface
194.216.251.1   212.46.128.11   255.255.255.255
UGH   0  0  0   ipsec0
212.46.128.11   0.0.0.0
255.255.255.255 UH  0  0
0   ppp0
212.46.128.11   0.0.0.0
255.255.255.255 UH  0  0
0  ipsec0
192.168.0.0   212.46.128.11
255.255.255.0 UG  0
0  0   ipsec0
192.168.201.0   0.0.0.0
255.255.255.0 U 0
0  0   eth0
0.0.0.0   212.46.128.11
0.0.0.0 UG  0
0  0   ppp0

And here's ipsec eroute:

ipsec eroute
0  192.168.201.0/24   ->
192.168.0.0/24   => [EMAIL PROTECTED]
0  aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd/32   ->
194.216.251.1/32   => [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is this correct at my end?  Should I add something
to my ipmasquerading script?  Stumped...

Thanks for any info!

Martin

#!/bin/sh
#
# rc.firewall - Initial SIMPLE IP Masquerade test for 2.1.x and 2.2.x kernels 
#   using IPCHAINS
#
# Load all required IP MASQ modules
#
#   NOTE:  Only load the IP MASQ modules you need.  All current IP MASQ modules
#  are shown below but are commented out from loading.

echo "Starting IP Masquerading..."

# Needed to initially load modules
#
/sbin/depmod -a

# Supports the proper masquerading of FTP file transfers using the PORT method
#
/sbin/modprobe ip_masq_ftp

# Supports the masquerading of RealAudio over UDP.  Without this module,
#   RealAudio WILL function but in TCP mode.  This can cause a reduction
#   in sound quality
#
/sbin/modprobe ip_masq_raudio

# Supports the masquerading of IRC DCC file transfers
#
#/sbin/modprobe ip_masq_irc


# Supports the masquerading of Quake and QuakeWorld by default.  This modules is
#   for for multiple users behind the Linux MASQ server.  If you are going to 
#   play Quake I, II, and III, use the second example.
#
#   NOTE:  If you get ERRORs loading the QUAKE module, you are running an old
#   -  kernel that has bugs in it.  Please upgrade to the newest kernel.
#
#Quake I / QuakeWorld (ports 26000 and 27000)
#/sbin/modprobe ip_masq_quake
#
#Quake I/II/III / QuakeWorld (ports 26000, 27000, 27910, 27960)
#/sbin/modprobe ip_masq_quake 26000,27000,27910,27960


# Supports the masquerading of the CuSeeme video conferencing software
#
/sbin/modprobe ip_masq_cuseeme

#Supports the masquerading of the VDO-live video conferencing software
#
/sbin/modprobe ip_masq_vdolive


#CRITICAL:  Enable IP forwarding since it is disabled by default since
#
#   Redhat Users:  you may try changing the options in 
#  /etc/sysconfig/network from:
#
#   FORWARD_IPV4=false
# to
#   FORWARD_IPV4=true
#
echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward


#CRITICAL:  Enable automatic IP defragmenting since it is disabled by default 
#   in 2.2.x kernels.  This used to be a compile-time option but the 
#   behavior was changed in 2.2.12
#
echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_always_defrag


# Dynamic IP users:
#
#   If you get your IP address dynamically from SLIP, PPP, or DHCP, enable this 
#   following option.  This enables dynamic-ip address hacking in IP MASQ, 
#   making the life with Diald and similar programs much easier.
#
#echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_dynaddr


# Enable the LooseUDP patch which some Internet-based games require
#
#  If you are trying to get an Internet game to work through your IP MASQ box,
#  and you have set it up to the best of your ability without it working, try
#  enabling this option (delete the "#" character).  This option is disabled
#  by default due to possible internal machine UDP port scanning 
#  vunerabilities.
#
#echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_masq_u

Re: [OT] Re: CALL FOR HELP

[dman]

On Sun, Mar 31, 2002 at 12:24:51AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
| on Wed, Mar 27, 2002, Elizabeth Barham ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
| > =?iso-8859-1?q?=20?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| > 
| > > FROM: MRS  MARYAM  XXX
| > > XX  COTE  D' IVOIRE
| > > TEL:XXX- XX-XX-XX-XX
| 
| 
| 
| > What are you all's opinion of this letter? Did anyone else respond to
| > the others? Is anyone going to help this person by visiting that part
| > of the world? Is there anyone on this list living in Abidjan?
| 
| (One of my canned rants)
| 
| The above is an example of the "Nigerian Scam", also called 419 Letters,
| or just plain 419.

There's also a Congo variation I've actually received.

-D

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Re: [OT] Re: CALL FOR HELP

[Karsten M. Self]

on Wed, Mar 27, 2002, Elizabeth Barham ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> =?iso-8859-1?q?=20?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > FROM: MRS  MARYAM  XXX
> > XX  COTE  D' IVOIRE
> > TEL:XXX- XX-XX-XX-XX



> What are you all's opinion of this letter? Did anyone else respond to
> the others? Is anyone going to help this person by visiting that part
> of the world? Is there anyone on this list living in Abidjan?

(One of my canned rants)

The above is an example of the "Nigerian Scam", also called 419 Letters,
or just plain 419.  Most 419 letters and emails originate from or are
traceable back to Nigeria. However, some originate from other nations,
mostly also West African nations such as Ghana, Togo, Liberia, Sierra
Leone, Ivory Coast ( Cote D'Ivoire ) etc.   

It's the current wrinkle of a decades-old scam that nets tens of
millions of dollars per year, and may be the third largest industry in
Nigeria.  The 419 Coalition believes that it is the elites from which
successive governments of Nigeria have been drawn who are the scammers.
Expect little cooperation from Nigerian authorities.

Information in this notice is compiled from various sources, links
below.  Keep reading for reporting information.


The Scam operates as follows: the target receives an unsolicited fax,
email, or letter concerning Nigeria containing either a money laundering
or other illegal proposal OR you may receive a Legal and Legitimate
business proposal by normal means.  Invariably, the proposition involves
resources which are somehow locked up:  oil or other invoice problems, a
bequest, money cleaning, or misallocated funds.

At some point, the victim is asked to pay up front an Advance Fee of
some sort.  If the victim pays the Fee, there are many "Complications"
which require still more advance payments until the victim either quits,
runs out of money, or both. 


To report the scam:

If you are a United States Citizen or Resident and have suffered NO
Financial Loss, write "No Financial Loss - For Your Database" on the
documents you received and Fax them to the US Secret Service Task
Force handling Scam matters at 202-406-6930.

Documents may be emailed to 

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: "No Loss -- 419 Scam"

IF you are a United States Citizen or Resident and YOU HAVE SUFFERED
A FINANCIAL LOSS write "Financial Loss - Contact Me ASAP" on the
documents you have received and Fax them to the Task Force at
202-406-6930 and give Your telephone number(s).  A Secret Service
Agent will call you back as soon as possible to discuss the matter
with you (don't worry, you're Not in any trouble).

(Above from http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/index.htm)

Other countries have their own reporting methods, see above for more
info.


Additional information:

Google search:
http://www.google.com/search?q=nigeria+scam

Federal Republic of Nigeria, Embassy:
http://www.embassy.org/embassies/ng.html

Sierra Leone:  Nigerian 419 Scam:
http://www.sierra-leone.org/scams.html

Sample letters are archives as no's 01 - 33:
http://www.sierra-leone.org/scam01.html - 
http://www.sierra-leone.org/scam33.html 

Nigeria Scam Letter Archive
http://www.scamorama.com/

Nigeria - The 419 Coalition Website
http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/index.htm

U.S. Postal Authorities crack down on Nigerian Spam
http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/pressrel.htm

Nigeria - The 419 Coalition Website
http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/index.htm

Urban Legends:  Nigerian Scam
http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/scams/nigeria.htm

Salon: I crave your distinguished indulgence (and all your cash)
http://www.salon.com/people/feature/2001/08/07/419scams/print.html

Nigerian 419 Scam "Game Over!"
http://home.pacbell.net/jpaladin/
Book describes how the scam plays out.

Thank you.

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Re: [OT] Re: CALL FOR HELP

[Adam Majer]

On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 06:32:13PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
> * Elizabeth Barham ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> ...
> > I responded to a similar letter a while back concerning the civil
> > unrest in Nigeria and the plot of smuggling funds into the United
> > States, but the recipient failed to respond.
> 
> They probably added your e-mail address to one of those "250,000,000
> e-mail addrresses" CDs. I hope your procmail skills are up to date,
> you'll need them RSN.

apt-get install spamassassin

procmail skills req: basic
success: >95% [from experience]

- Adam


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Re: CALL FOR HELP

[David Turetsky]

On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 09:15:41PM +, Patrick Kirk uttered:
--> On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 07:40:14PM +0100,   wrote:
--> >>From -IReturn-Receipt-To:
--> 
--> I shouldn't respond to this junk but did anyone else find themselves 
laughing at the improbable tale of the general, his proivate jet and "singing" 
agreements?

They're a constant source of enjoyment!

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Re: [OT] Re: CALL FOR HELP

[dave mallery]

On 27 Mar 2002, Elizabeth Barham wrote:

> =?iso-8859-1?q?=20?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > FROM: MRS  MARYAM  XXX
> > XX  COTE  D' IVOIRE
> > TEL:XXX- XX-XX-XX-XX
> 
> [snip for confidentiality]
> 
> I responded to a similar letter a while back concerning the civil
> unrest in Nigeria and the plot of smuggling funds into the United
> States, but the recipient failed to respond.
> 
> What are you all's opinion of this letter? Did anyone else respond to
> the others? Is anyone going to help this person by visiting that part
> of the world? Is there anyone on this list living in Abidjan?
> 
> I do wonder if this letter is a form of propaganda against the old
> rulers of these nations - the military elite that may have possessed,
> or may have allegedly possessed, large funds of money. It seems that
> if someone really has millions of dollars they wouldn't need to be
> spamming a debian user group looking for help.
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
this is a giant scam

they get your bank account number and byebye
 

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Re: [OT] Re: CALL FOR HELP

[Nathan E Norman]

On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 05:41:37PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote:
> At 03:59 PM 03/27/02 -0600, Elizabeth Barham wrote:
> >=?iso-8859-1?q?=20?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >> FROM: MRS  MARYAM  XXX
> >> XX  COTE  D' IVOIRE
> >> TEL:XXX- XX-XX-XX-XX
> >
> >[snip for confidentiality]
> >
> >I responded to a similar letter a while back concerning the civil
> >unrest in Nigeria and the plot of smuggling funds into the United
> >States, but the recipient failed to respond.
> >
> >What are you all's opinion of this letter? Did anyone else respond to
> >the others? Is anyone going to help this person by visiting that part
> >of the world? Is there anyone on this list living in Abidjan?
> 
> You call the number and a big charge appears on your phone bill.
> 
> These are getting common, and have been in the press lately. 

I haven't called it, but my guess is this isn't a phone charge scam.
Rather, it's the Nigeria money scam all over again; you open an
account and they promise to put zillions in it, but first you have to
deposit some seed money for various reasons.  After that money
disappears you end up feeling like the idiot you were for beleiving
that someone who has access to stolen money wants _you_ to help invest
it / move it out of the country / whatever.
 
> Of course, maybe someone really is trying to give away millions to millions
> of people.

Other than Regis Philbin and Ed McMahon (PCH), I don't think so.

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between the Mountains and the Sea.  |  J.R.R. Tolkien


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Re: [OT] Re: CALL FOR HELP

[Nathan E Norman]

On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 11:07:22PM -0500, Peter S Galbraith wrote:
> Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 03:59:04PM -0600, Elizabeth Barham wrote:
> > > =?iso-8859-1?q?=20?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > > FROM: MRS  MARYAM  XXX
> > > > XX  COTE  D' IVOIRE
> > > > TEL:XXX- XX-XX-XX-XX
> > > 
> > > [snip for confidentiality]
> > > 
> > > I responded to a similar letter a while back concerning the civil
> > > unrest in Nigeria and the plot of smuggling funds into the United
> > > States, but the recipient failed to respond.
> > 
> > I hope you're not serious. :) It's a well-known scam, sometimes known as
> > the "419 Fraud" - type 'Nigeria scam' into Google and you get quite a
> > number of relevant hits.
> 
> From what I've heard years ago, some of these scammers get people to
> travel there where they are either kidnapped or threatened.  I wouldn't
> even play along with these people.

The scam is widespread and the scammers adapt their story to suit the
victim.

A few years ago the Catholic cathedral in Sioux Falls SD was informed
that some warlord had died and left millions of dollars to their
church.  However, there were legal issues and $25,000 was needed to
free up the money.  The church sent $25,000, anbd got nothing.
Needless to say, they felt pretty silly after it was reported in the
local paper ...

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Re: [OT] Re: CALL FOR HELP

[Gary L. Dolan]

On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 03:59:04PM -0600, Elizabeth Barham wrote:
> =?iso-8859-1?q?=20?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > FROM: MRS  MARYAM  XXX
> > XX  COTE  D' IVOIRE
> > TEL:XXX- XX-XX-XX-XX
> 
> [snip for confidentiality]
> 
> I responded to a similar letter a while back concerning the civil
> unrest in Nigeria and the plot of smuggling funds into the United
> States, but the recipient failed to respond.
> 
> What are you all's opinion of this letter? Did anyone else respond to
> the others? Is anyone going to help this person by visiting that part
> of the world? Is there anyone on this list living in Abidjan?
> 
> I do wonder if this letter is a form of propaganda against the old
> rulers of these nations - the military elite that may have possessed,
> or may have allegedly possessed, large funds of money. It seems that
> if someone really has millions of dollars they wouldn't need to be
> spamming a debian user group looking for help.
> 
This is just another variation on a type of scam that has been going
on for years and has been amply reported just about everywhere.
-- 
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Debian GNU/Linux 2.2r4, Kernel 2.4.18   
FreeBSD 4.5 STABLE


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Re: [OT] Re: CALL FOR HELP

[Peter S Galbraith]

Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 03:59:04PM -0600, Elizabeth Barham wrote:
> > =?iso-8859-1?q?=20?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > FROM: MRS  MARYAM  XXX
> > > XX  COTE  D' IVOIRE
> > > TEL:XXX- XX-XX-XX-XX
> > 
> > [snip for confidentiality]
> > 
> > I responded to a similar letter a while back concerning the civil
> > unrest in Nigeria and the plot of smuggling funds into the United
> > States, but the recipient failed to respond.
> 
> I hope you're not serious. :) It's a well-known scam, sometimes known as
> the "419 Fraud" - type 'Nigeria scam' into Google and you get quite a
> number of relevant hits.

>From what I've heard years ago, some of these scammers get people to
travel there where they are either kidnapped or threatened.  I wouldn't
even play along with these people.


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Re: [OT] Re: CALL FOR HELP

[Bill Moseley]

At 03:59 PM 03/27/02 -0600, Elizabeth Barham wrote:
>=?iso-8859-1?q?=20?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> FROM: MRS  MARYAM  XXX
>> XX  COTE  D' IVOIRE
>> TEL:XXX- XX-XX-XX-XX
>
>[snip for confidentiality]
>
>I responded to a similar letter a while back concerning the civil
>unrest in Nigeria and the plot of smuggling funds into the United
>States, but the recipient failed to respond.
>
>What are you all's opinion of this letter? Did anyone else respond to
>the others? Is anyone going to help this person by visiting that part
>of the world? Is there anyone on this list living in Abidjan?

You call the number and a big charge appears on your phone bill.

These are getting common, and have been in the press lately. 

Of course, maybe someone really is trying to give away millions to millions
of people.

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Re: [OT] Re: CALL FOR HELP

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 03:59:04PM -0600, Elizabeth Barham wrote:
> =?iso-8859-1?q?=20?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > FROM: MRS  MARYAM  XXX
> > XX  COTE  D' IVOIRE
> > TEL:XXX- XX-XX-XX-XX
> 
> [snip for confidentiality]
> 
> I responded to a similar letter a while back concerning the civil
> unrest in Nigeria and the plot of smuggling funds into the United
> States, but the recipient failed to respond.

I hope you're not serious. :) It's a well-known scam, sometimes known as
the "419 Fraud" - type 'Nigeria scam' into Google and you get quite a
number of relevant hits.

Cheers,

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Re: [OT] Re: CALL FOR HELP

[Dimitri Maziuk]

* Elizabeth Barham ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
...
> I responded to a similar letter a while back concerning the civil
> unrest in Nigeria and the plot of smuggling funds into the United
> States, but the recipient failed to respond.

They probably added your e-mail address to one of those "250,000,000
e-mail addrresses" CDs. I hope your procmail skills are up to date,
you'll need them RSN.

> What are you all's opinion of this letter? 
...
> I do wonder if this letter is a form of propaganda against the old
> rulers 

Nah, just spammers harvesting addresses. The idea is that you'll
sympatize with the poor oppressed and reply...
Oh, and if you're interested in money smuggling, read _Fools Die_.

Dima 
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Re: [OT] Re: CALL FOR HELP

[Tom Massey]

On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 03:59:04PM -0600, Elizabeth Barham wrote:
> I responded to a similar letter a while back concerning the civil
> unrest in Nigeria and the plot of smuggling funds into the United
> States, but the recipient failed to respond.

Have a look at
 and
.


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[OT] Re: CALL FOR HELP

[Elizabeth Barham]

=?iso-8859-1?q?=20?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> FROM: MRS  MARYAM  XXX
> XX  COTE  D' IVOIRE
> TEL:XXX- XX-XX-XX-XX

[snip for confidentiality]

I responded to a similar letter a while back concerning the civil
unrest in Nigeria and the plot of smuggling funds into the United
States, but the recipient failed to respond.

What are you all's opinion of this letter? Did anyone else respond to
the others? Is anyone going to help this person by visiting that part
of the world? Is there anyone on this list living in Abidjan?

I do wonder if this letter is a form of propaganda against the old
rulers of these nations - the military elite that may have possessed,
or may have allegedly possessed, large funds of money. It seems that
if someone really has millions of dollars they wouldn't need to be
spamming a debian user group looking for help.

Elizabeth


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Re: CALL FOR HELP

[Patrick Kirk]

On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 07:40:14PM +0100,   wrote:
>>From -IReturn-Receipt-To:

I shouldn't respond to this junk but did anyone else find themselves laughing 
at the improbable tale of the general, his proivate jet and "singing" 
agreements?


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CALL FOR HELP

[maryamintouch]

FROM: MRS  MARYAM  BANGA.
ABIDJAN  COTE  D' IVOIRE
TEL:225- 07-81-48-06

HELLO:

 

In a matter of fact, though we still do not known each
other very well but due to lack of time, I am being
mandated to disclose to you the transaction at sake
which needs urgent attention and co-operation from a
trustworthy friend to actualise the investment
instruction left by my late husband.

In brief introduction, if I may confident in you I am
MRS MARYAM BANGA wife of late colonel DARLINGTON
BANGA,
chief security officer of  late DR,GENERAL JONES
SAVIMBI of the democratic republic of Angola who was
shoot by government troop on Friday 22 February 2002
and unfortunately my husband was shoot during the
shoot-out encounter.

After the shoot-out, my husband was rushed to the
hospital were doctors tried to save his life, but
after two hours he gave up to ghost, while sitting
beside his hospital bed, in his last utterances, he
confided in me and reveal to me the sum of
10.550.000(ten million five hundred and fifty thousand
U.S Dollars)carefully arranged and locked up in a
trunk box belonging to him and GENERAL SAVIMBI,
because this money was embezzled from the sales of
government GOLD and DIOMOND, my husband carried the
trunk box in SAVIMBI private jet to Abidjan and
deposited the trunk box for safe keeping with a
security company but registered as family treasure
because he did not disclosed the content of the box to
the security company officers for obvious security
reasons.

He also directed me to his in built wall safe where he
hide the certificate of deposit to enable me claim the
box from custody of security company depending when I
solicit for a trustworthy foreign partner who will
provide a bank account oversea, so that the cash we be
transferred in disquise in his name to avoid the
authorities intercepting the transaction.

On the same day I discovered the certificate of
deposit where my husband hide it and I escaped to
Abidjan with my only son BENJAMIN.

On my arrival in Abidjan, I confirm the existence of
the box in custody of the security company.

Following the above highlights, you will have to
understand that I need you co-operation to achieve
this investment plans and more importantly we have to
make necessary arrangement to meet face to face to
discuss on your percentage /share and singing of
agreement to guarantee trust before the money will be
cleared out and transfer to your country for
investment project.

Please do not hesitate to call on telephone number
225-07-81-48-06 to discuss further details with my son
BENJEMIN in concluding this transaction.

Please be informed that I am writing on a sick bed. we
await your quick response.

BEST  REGUARD

MRS MARYAM .BANGA.





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Re: How not to ask for help or report success (was Re: I fucked up apt-get)

[Craig Dickson]

begin  Karsten M. Self  quotation:

> When you post a problem, post the command line used and error messages
> received.
> 
> When you post a solution, er, post the _solution_.  Others can learn.

Avoiding casual obscenities doesn't hurt either. (in reference to the
original post, not Karsten's excellent advice)

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How not to ask for help or report success (was Re: I fucked up apt-get)

[Karsten M. Self]

on Wed, Mar 06, 2002, Rudy Gevaert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 08:28:41PM +0100, Rudy Gevaert wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I fucked up apt-get :( so badly I can't install or upgrade a thing.  Is
> > there a way to reconfigure everything so apt-get forgets about his past
> > options.
> > 
> > Also, when I do apt-get update, I see a the ftp.de.debian.org mirror
> > passing by, but this isn't in my sources.list.  How can this be?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> 
> Problem fixed!

When you post a problem, post the command line used and error messages
received.

When you post a solution, er, post the _solution_.  Others can learn.

I'd very strongly recommend you read the following excellent essay by
Simon Tatham, "How to Report Bugs Effectively"

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html

Please note that you are the person in the best position to know what
you're trying to do, what you've done, how the system's responded, and
generally how it's configured.  It's very helpful if you can post:

  - *Exact* commands or steps tried.
  - *Exact* error output or log messages.

Often, entering the error messages into a good search engine such as
Google (http://www.google.com/) will help set you on the road to
resolving your problems.

While others can offer suggestions, guidance, and experience, we cannot
see into either your mind or your machine's state.  This is very much a
case of "you have to help us help you".

Peace.

-- 
Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/
 What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?   There is no K5 cabal
  http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org



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