Re: Gnus as email client (was: GUI Email program)
JS> I would like to know what is it that you like so much about JS> Emacs+Gnus? I am not trying to be sarcastic or something like that. JS> I have tried to configure gnus a few times for using with email and JS> found it a frustration to get working. In which ways would gnus be JS> better than mutt and pine for example? Maybe I never saw it working JS> properly. JS> I like emacs and use it regularly, but could never understand why the JS> gnus users are so enthusiastic about using gnus for mail. I'm happy Emacs+Gnus user. I've used pine before. One reason why I've changed my mail reader was: 1) I want one client for both mail and news. 2) I use Emacs for almost everything. Gnus is convenient for me because I got used to Emacs keybindings. Gnus is convenient for me because it is integrated in Emacs. Many people seems to dislike Gnus a lot because it forces them to read their mails in quite specific way. This is because in first place Gnus is newsreader. First time after my transition I also found it quite confusing but now I got used to it. Some other pros I've found later against pine: 1) Gnus have support for threading (I know recent version of pine also have support for this but last version I've used did not have it) 2) With help of supercite it can make very complex quoting 3) With help of mailcrypt it has *integrated* support for PGP 4) I like adaptive scoring which I use to filter Debian and FreeBSD maillists. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | Ilya Martynov (http://martynov.org/)| | GnuPG 1024D/323BDEE6 D7F7 561E 4C1D 8A15 8E80 E4AE BE1A 53EB 323B DEE6 | | AGAVA Software Company (http://www.agava.com/) | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Re: Gnus as email client (was: GUI Email program)
Hello Jan, * Jan Ulrich Hasecke wrote: > Johann Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I would like to know what is it that you like so much about > > Emacs+Gnus? > > I used mutt for years. Now I change to gnus, because I want to use my > newsgroups and my mailinglists in the same way. Without the usenet and > without high-traffic mailinglists like debian-user I would stay with > mutt. It sucks less. ;-) There is a fine patch out for giving Mutt NNTP-abilities. Yeah it's great. I've made some unofficial deb's: # Packman deb ftp://ftp.links2linux.de/pub/packman/debian/ unstable/i386/ deb-src ftp://ftp.links2linux.de/pub/packman/debian/ unstable/src/ same for stable. cya Waldemar -- It's naive to assume that just installing a firewall is going to protect you from all potential security threat. That assumption creates a false sense of security, and having a false sense of security is worse than having no security at all. -- Kevin Mitnick
Re: Gnus as email client (was: GUI Email program)
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Admittedly, Gnus has the learning curve from hell, but I don't know of > many people to switch away from it after it's working. Yep - switched to Gnus, got homesick for Mutt so reverted to that and couldn't stand it! so am back with Gnus. If you have a high volume of mail (500-700 - seems like a lot to me!) then the scoring system is a real plus, especially adaptive or (moderately) intelligent scoring. And, as with Debian, the support is terrific ;-) gnu.emacs.gnus is the group to go for. Glyn -- so here we are then http://members.tripod.co.uk/Christchurch2000uk Running Debian/Gnu Linux 8:38am up 48 min, 2 users, load average: 0.06, 0.05, 0.13
Re: Gnus as email client (was: GUI Email program)
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 07:36:23PM +0200, Jan Ulrich Hasecke wrote: > I am using emacs all the day. With gnus + emacs I have nearly all my > work in one app. It is a little bit more integrated. > > Yes, it is not easy to configure gnus, but it is also not easy to > configure mutt. > I found mutt pretty easy myself, but I haven't tried gnus. I've heard that the version in potato lacks some useful features that makes gnus useful. The only thing I don't like about mutt is a couple colors, and attachment viewing. I really miss just seeing pictures in the message like in netscape... Yes, sometimes html mail us useful. Really nice over ssh though. Mike
Re: Gnus as email client (was: GUI Email program)
Johann Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I would like to know what is it that you like so much about > Emacs+Gnus? Anything you want to do, you can add lisp to do it. And people often have done so already. (Reading slashdot and web boards, for instance.) Scoring is great... pine doesn't have it, but I don't know about mutt. Adaptive scoring is even better. I get between 700-1000 messages a day on average and read newsgroups from several different servers. Gnus treats them all the same. Admittedly, Gnus has the learning curve from hell, but I don't know of many people to switch away from it after it's working. -- Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - In a variety of flavors! Skunks in the Shrubbery: P. Yew
Re: Gnus as email client (was: GUI Email program)
Johann Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I would like to know what is it that you like so much about > Emacs+Gnus? I am not trying to be sarcastic or something like that. > I have tried to configure gnus a few times for using with email and > found it a frustration to get working. Well, configuring gnus is not straightforward. I really appreciate the following book : "Teach yourself Emacs in 24 hours", by Jesper Pedersen, SAMS Publishing (ISBN 0-672-31594-7, http://www.blackie.dk/emacs/). 2 chapters are dedicated to gnus and its configuration, and (in a few hours) you have your gnus configured for email and news. > In which ways would gnus be better than mutt and pine for example? > Maybe I never saw it working properly. I can't answer you since I don't know anything about mutt or pine. I just know that some people like them. I only used evolution (latest snapshots), balsa, and mozilla mail. Emacs + Gnus is DEFINITELY my favourite (all the power of Emacs...) > I like emacs and use it regularly, but could never understand why the > gnus users are so enthusiastic about using gnus for mail. Well, see above :-) Dominique
Re: Gnus as email client (was: GUI Email program)
Johann Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 06:26:27PM +0200, Dominique Deleris wrote: > > I've just discovered Emacs+Gnus, and it's TERRIFIC ! > > > > I've dropped evolution & balsa. Emacs is so cool and powerful... > > I would like to know what is it that you like so much about > Emacs+Gnus? I am not trying to be sarcastic or something like that. > I have tried to configure gnus a few times for using with email and > found it a frustration to get working. In which ways would gnus be > better than mutt and pine for example? Maybe I never saw it working > properly. Scoring in gnus is brilliant. I read debian-user just like a newsgroup so I set up scoring based on what I find interesting. I also like gnus splitting capabilities. I don't use procmail anymore. I love being able to arrange my newsgroups and mailgroups based on topics. I also like being able to cut and paste quickly from other buffers to mail or newsgroup messages that I am working on. Gnus handles almost every different kind of mail and nntp backend. I could go on. Anyone else use gnus? -Anthony.
Re: Gnus as email client (was: GUI Email program)
Johann Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I would like to know what is it that you like so much about > Emacs+Gnus? I used mutt for years. Now I change to gnus, because I want to use my newsgroups and my mailinglists in the same way. Without the usenet and without high-traffic mailinglists like debian-user I would stay with mutt. It sucks less. ;-) I am using emacs all the day. With gnus + emacs I have nearly all my work in one app. It is a little bit more integrated. Yes, it is not easy to configure gnus, but it is also not easy to configure mutt. Ciao! juh -- Zwangsarbeiterentschädigung: Almosen statt Strafgericht http://www.sudelbuch.de/2001/20010309.html
Gnus as email client (was: GUI Email program)
On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 06:26:27PM +0200, Dominique Deleris wrote: > I've just discovered Emacs+Gnus, and it's TERRIFIC ! > > I've dropped evolution & balsa. Emacs is so cool and powerful... I would like to know what is it that you like so much about Emacs+Gnus? I am not trying to be sarcastic or something like that. I have tried to configure gnus a few times for using with email and found it a frustration to get working. In which ways would gnus be better than mutt and pine for example? Maybe I never saw it working properly. I like emacs and use it regularly, but could never understand why the gnus users are so enthusiastic about using gnus for mail. Johann -- J.H. Spies - Tel. 082 782 0336. Posbus 4668, Tygervallei 7536 "That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fullness of God." Ephesians 3:17-19
