Re: Help w/failed Sarge install - Dell 8400+SATA
On Sat, 2007-03-03 at 15:21 -0800, Peter Farley wrote: > Trying to install Sarge to Dell 8400 w/internal SATA > from jigdo'd i386 DVD. Kernel 2.4 fails to see SATA > internal HDD entirely (CD access OK). With kernel 2.6 > using expert26 I can wait to load ata_piix driver > until after CD is accessed, but STILL does not see > SATA drive, only external USB 2.0 IDE HDD. > > Web and google searches led me to believe this problem > was resolved in current 2.6 kernels, is there still a > problem? If so, is there any workaround? (Other than > changing BIOS to compatibility mode, I do NOT want to > go there, still need WinXP partition on SATA to work > for other family use.) There are unofficial debian-installer images using a backported kernel available. See http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ -- Cheers, Sven Arvidsson http://www.whiz.se PGP Key ID 760BDD22 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Help w/failed Sarge install - Dell 8400+SATA
--- "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 12:30:23PM -0800, Peter > Farley wrote: > > > > "Bleeding edge technology"?!?! I bought the Dell > > 8400 as-is and used (from the Dell bargain area) > > over two years ago. "Bleeding edge" it ain't. > > > As Andrew pointed out, Etch is going to release > anytime now and has been in freeze for a few > months. Calling it bleeding edge is not correct. Well, OK, maybe Etch isn't "bleeding edge" either. Mea culpa. > > C'mon, a simple old system like a Dell 8400 should > > be long-since supported by stable code, even among > > the volunteer community. > > > Well, the 2.6.8 kernel (shipped with Sarge) was > released on 14 August 2004. At *that* time, the > machine was bleeding edge compared to the > kernel support for SATA. Hm-m. OK, I didn't realize Sarge went back that far. Now that I review the Sarge package versions for some things that are important to me, I bow to your collective wisdom -- Sarge is not what I want or need. Thanks for your help in curing my ignorance. Peter Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help w/failed Sarge install - Dell 8400+SATA
On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 12:30:23PM -0800, Peter Farley wrote: > > "Bleeding edge technology"?!?! I bought the Dell 8400 > as-is and used (from the Dell bargain area) over two > years ago. "Bleeding edge" it ain't. > As Andrew pointed out, Etch is going to release anytime now and has been in freeze for a few months. Calling it bleeding edge is not correct. > > C'mon, a simple old system like a Dell 8400 should be > long-since supported by stable code, even among the > volunteer community. > Well, the 2.6.8 kernel (shipped with Sarge) was released on 14 August 2004. At *that* time, the machine was bleeding edge compared to the kernel support for SATA. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Help w/failed Sarge install - Dell 8400+SATA
--- Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter Farley wrote: > > --- "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >> You really should be using Etch. > > > Well, some of us prefer not to live at the > > bleeding edge. > > Sometimes when you have bleeding edge technology > you need bleeding edge on your distro to make it > work. "Bleeding edge technology"?!?! I bought the Dell 8400 as-is and used (from the Dell bargain area) over two years ago. "Bleeding edge" it ain't. > Given that Windows /generally/ has better hardware > driver support than Linux on the newest hardware if > XP needed patching then Sarge might just be a > tad too old to take advantage of the SATA drive. > > Unpleasant, maybe. Dems da facts, yeah. :/ If a 2+ year-old machine is "bleeding edge", what does that make the latest Dell quad-core game monsters with dual-X1900 video cards? Now *that* is what *I* call "bleeding edge". C'mon, a simple old system like a Dell 8400 should be long-since supported by stable code, even among the volunteer community. FYI, the FC6 install disk sees all my drives, no problem (though I grant you this, FC6 *is* more recent than sarge). However, I may give it one more try with Etch just to see if it's better. But I'll probably be using FC6 before that. My $0.02USD only, you are certainly entitled to your own. Peter 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help w/failed Sarge install - Dell 8400+SATA
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 04:30:25PM -0800, Peter Farley wrote: > --- "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You really should be using Etch. > > Well, some of us prefer not to live at the bleeding > edge. > with etch due to release any time now, i"d hardly call it bleeding edge. it is well known (at least here-abouts) that to get SATA support you almost always need etch or better. .02 A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Help w/failed Sarge install - Dell 8400+SATA
Peter Farley wrote: > --- "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> You really should be using Etch. > Well, some of us prefer not to live at the bleeding > edge. Sometimes when you have bleeding edge technology you need bleeding edge on your distro to make it work. Hell, recently when I did a hard drive dance on my and my wife's machines I needed to effectively patch XP (game machine, shush all) to see the SATA drive I was installing. Given that Windows /generally/ has better hardware driver support than Linux on the newest hardware if XP needed patching then Sarge might just be a tad too old to take advantage of the SATA drive. Unpleasant, maybe. Dems da facts, yeah. :/ -- Steve Lamb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help w/failed Sarge install - Dell 8400+SATA
--- "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You really should be using Etch. Well, some of us prefer not to live at the bleeding edge. Regards, Peter Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help w/failed Sarge install - Dell 8400+SATA
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 03:21:24PM -0800, Peter Farley wrote: > Hi all, > > Trying to install Sarge to Dell 8400 w/internal SATA > from jigdo'd i386 DVD. Kernel 2.4 fails to see SATA > internal HDD entirely (CD access OK). With kernel 2.6 > using expert26 I can wait to load ata_piix driver > until after CD is accessed, but STILL does not see > SATA drive, only external USB 2.0 IDE HDD. > You really should be using Etch. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Help w/failed Sarge install - Dell 8400+SATA
Hi all, Trying to install Sarge to Dell 8400 w/internal SATA from jigdo'd i386 DVD. Kernel 2.4 fails to see SATA internal HDD entirely (CD access OK). With kernel 2.6 using expert26 I can wait to load ata_piix driver until after CD is accessed, but STILL does not see SATA drive, only external USB 2.0 IDE HDD. Web and google searches led me to believe this problem was resolved in current 2.6 kernels, is there still a problem? If so, is there any workaround? (Other than changing BIOS to compatibility mode, I do NOT want to go there, still need WinXP partition on SATA to work for other family use.) Yes, I filed a failed install report to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also reported complete failure with 2.4 kernel (neither SATA nor USB drives detected). TIA for any help or info you can provide. Peter Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
