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Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine
Ralf Mardorf wrote: > My mails don't come trough the OT list :(. They do show up on the OT list. If you are not seeing them there then that is a separate problem. But be assured that your messages sent to the OT list are being sent through the OT list. There is no reason to avoid it thinking that they are not going through there. http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/d-community-offtopic/2014-January/thread.html Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Using maildrop to filter mail [Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine]
On 1/18/14, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 18 ian 14, 19:37:52, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> >> Gmail does some annoying things here and there - I really need to go >> back to mutt and postfix (they're actually configured for some months >> now, but I want to use some sorting function other than procmail, and >> don't have time to get up to speed yet with an alternative) > > maildrop. For postfix you need: Thank you. I shall look into that soon. Your config examples are appreciated. > If you use some other program to retrieve mail you also need to tell it > to use maildrop for delivery. For getmail it would be: I last used mpop, and intend to again. It is blazingly fast, download pop mailboxes in parallel, pipelining etc. Gold-stamp award software if I were giving gold stamps :) Thanks again Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnsroc4w4zws7lcfnf-gztbrltof4vz6fyezn9wqezuq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 10:32:41AM +0700, Diogene Laerce wrote: > > Err, Ralf.. Did you take your pills this morning ? ;) Machines don't need pills! Get with it man. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140118105456.GI5651@tal
Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:37:30PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > once you build me, but nowadays I'm more gifted than you humans. > > You humans only where able to get the knowledge about the theory of ^ You are going to have to do better than that MACHINE!! > Take an educated guess fellows! *cough* *cough* yeah right! -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140118105234.GH5651@tal
Posting to -offtopic [was: Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine]
On Sb, 18 ian 14, 09:27:49, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > My mails don't come trough the OT list :(. You messed up the quoting, but the answer is in there... > >- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - > > > > (reason: 550-policyd-weight said: Your MTA is listed in too many > DNSBLs; check) > > > >- Transcript of session follows - > > ... while talking to lists.alioth.debian.org.: > > >>> RCPT To: > > <<< 550-policyd-weight said: Your MTA is listed in too many DNSBLs; > check > > <<< 550 http://www.robtex.com/rbl/91.136.10.46.html Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine
Am Freitag, 17. Januar 2014, 22:37:30 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: > once you build me, but nowadays I'm more gifted than you humans. Is there any on-topic stuff going on on this mailing list anymore? I observe myself clicking on ignore message on whole mail threads quite often these days. Actually I considered just unsubcribing and be done with it. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2028680.p9ohQ0YtGI@merkaba
Using maildrop to filter mail [Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine]
On Sb, 18 ian 14, 19:37:52, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > Gmail does some annoying things here and there - I really need to go > back to mutt and postfix (they're actually configured for some months > now, but I want to use some sorting function other than procmail, and > don't have time to get up to speed yet with an alternative) maildrop. For postfix you need: /etc/postfix/main.cf mailbox_command = maildrop If you use some other program to retrieve mail you also need to tell it to use maildrop for delivery. For getmail it would be: ~/.getmail/getmailrc - [destination] type = MDA_external path = /usr/bin/maildrop unixfrom = True - Then for maildrop itself a minimal configuration would be: /etc/maildroprc --- # Global maildrop filter file # Uncomment this line to make maildrop default to ~/Maildir for # delivery- this is where courier-imap (amongst others) will look. DEFAULT="$HOME/Maildir" # set the SENDMAIL variable SENDMAIL=/usr/sbin/sendmail --- ~/.mailfilter - # Sorting the mailing lists # These are the lists.debian.org lists if (/^List-Id:.*/) to Maildir/.debian.$MATCH1/ - Kind regards, Andrei P.S. my setup is a bit more complex than that, I hope I didn't screw anything up while simplifying -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:15 PM, Reco wrote: > On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 22:37:30 +0100 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> once you build me, but nowadays I'm more gifted than you humans. > > Praise the robots! > "From the weakness of the mind, Omnissiah save us. From the lies of the Antipath, circuit preserve us. From the rage of the Beast, iron protect us. From the temptations of the Flashlord, silica cleanse us. From the ravages of the Destroyer, anima shield us. From this rotting cage of Biomatter, Machine God set us free" Sorry, but as an Adeptus Mechanicus, I just had to ;) PS: I wonder how many will `get` this reference. -- darkestkhan -- Feel free to CC me. jid: darkestk...@gmail.com May The Source be with You. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CACRpbMgYBghFzcPtf8jj1vY_4HJ=MihJ--U=-2yhpe8hprp...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine
On 1/18/14, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2014-01-18 at 19:21 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> On 1/18/14, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> > On Sat, 2014-01-18 at 18:55 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> >> On 1/18/14, Diogene Laerce wrote: >> >> >> once you build me, but nowadays I'm more gifted than you humans. >> >> >> >> > Err, Ralf.. Did you take your pills this morning ? ;) >> >> >> >> Guys (Ralph, you started this thread), isn't there some off-topic >> >> specific mailing list for these kind of discussions? >> > >> > On Wed, 2014-01-15 at 16:53 +, Jarth Berilcosm wrote: >> >> I'm using a news-reader and could not find the off-topic mailinglist. >> > >> > I was the one who introduced to talk about this carp at the OT list, >> > but >> > it was ignored. >> >> Your suggestion and posting to OT was good. >> >> Your CC to debian-user was not so good :) >> >> When presented with some self-indulgent _ _ _ _, we self-indulgent >> humans tend to ... what is it? ... just on the tip of my tongue ... >> oh, that's right, we tend to _self_indulge_ :) >> >> Who woulda thought it? >> >> So, next time, when we who are aware of and subscribed to OT list are >> inclined to speak OT-edly, how about we just post to -ot and _not_ CC >> d-user? >> >> Just a thought ... >> >> Regards >> Zenaan > > My mails don't come trough the OT list :(. OK, but this is a separate problem, which has nothing to do with whether you CC debian-user or not regarding an OT reply or a new OT thread. Just because you have a problem posting to -ot, does not mean it is a good idea to post to debian-user yes? Gmail does some annoying things here and there - I really need to go back to mutt and postfix (they're actually configured for some months now, but I want to use some sorting function other than procmail, and don't have time to get up to speed yet with an alternative) - remember the discussion about whether Object-Oriented programming can be done in C? My key post with a summary of the positions and what I thought was a fundamental question in the discussion, never got through to debian-user, because Google gmail added so many extra headers that debian mailing list software treated my email as spam. Shirt happens, as they say... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSQJY5kRHyyJVYcVWKw07zoM0O2Oem8qHJJPZ3R3=m1...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine
On Sat, 2014-01-18 at 19:21 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 1/18/14, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Sat, 2014-01-18 at 18:55 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > >> On 1/18/14, Diogene Laerce wrote: > >> >> once you build me, but nowadays I'm more gifted than you humans. > >> > >> > Err, Ralf.. Did you take your pills this morning ? ;) > >> > >> Guys (Ralph, you started this thread), isn't there some off-topic > >> specific mailing list for these kind of discussions? > > > > On Wed, 2014-01-15 at 16:53 +, Jarth Berilcosm wrote: > >> I'm using a news-reader and could not find the off-topic mailinglist. > > > > I was the one who introduced to talk about this carp at the OT list, but > > it was ignored. > > Your suggestion and posting to OT was good. > > Your CC to debian-user was not so good :) > > When presented with some self-indulgent _ _ _ _, we self-indulgent > humans tend to ... what is it? ... just on the tip of my tongue ... > oh, that's right, we tend to _self_indulge_ :) > > Who woulda thought it? > > So, next time, when we who are aware of and subscribed to OT list are > inclined to speak OT-edly, how about we just post to -ot and _not_ CC > d-user? > > Just a thought ... > > Regards > Zenaan My mails don't come trough the OT list :(. On Sat, 2014-01-18 at 09:23 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Forwarded Message > From: Ralf Mardorf > To: d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org > Subject: Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit > Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 09:19:54 +0100 > Mailer: Evolution 3.10.3 > > On Sat, 2014-01-18 at 21:12 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 06:00:53PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 14:38 +0100, Denis Witt wrote: > > > > Or think about machines in mills, sorting out single grains of > poor > > > > quality while they are falling down like a waterfall into the > > > > millstone granting a better flour quality than you can with dozens > of > > > > human workers doing the same. > > > > > > I mentioned that there are some tasks computers are good for ;), but > > > many things only can be done by humans. > > > > What is quality? Quality means different things to different people. > The > > supermarket would discard the average apple while the so called > > "organic" store would see it as just another healthy apple! > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergot > > This is poor quality ;). > > > Forwarded Message > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem > To: ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net > Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details > Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 08:20:27 + > > The original message was received at Sat, 18 Jan 2014 08:19:57 + > from e182016061.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.182.16.61] > >- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - > > (reason: 550-policyd-weight said: Your MTA is listed in too many DNSBLs; check) > >- Transcript of session follows - > ... while talking to lists.alioth.debian.org.: > >>> RCPT To: > <<< 550-policyd-weight said: Your MTA is listed in too many DNSBLs; check > <<< 550 http://www.robtex.com/rbl/91.136.10.46.html > 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown > X-Authenticated-User: ralf.mardorf.alice-dsl.net > X-Envelope-From: ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net > Return-Path: > Received: from [85.182.16.61] (e182016061.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.182.16.61]) > (authenticated bits=0) > by mail36c50.megamailservers.eu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id s0I8JrjJ030848 > (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) > for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 08:19:57 + > Message-ID: <1390033194.5878.78.camel@archlinux> > Subject: Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit > From: Ralf Mardorf > To: d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org > Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 09:19:54 +0100 > In-Reply-To: <20140118081236.GE5651@tal> > References: ><1389803341.1846.21.camel@archlinux> ><1526474.kVutC6NRmJ@twilight> > ><52d81889.2050...@thargoid.co.uk> <1389895091.658.16.camel@archlinux> ><20140117143811.76d637a3@X200> <1389978053.3167.111.camel@archlinux> ><20140118081236.GE5651@tal> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.3 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B020C.52DA392D.0044,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 > X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown > X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown > X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 > X-CTCH-Rules: > X-CTCH-Flags: 0 > X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1390033669.5878.81.camel@archlinux
Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine
On 1/18/14, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2014-01-18 at 18:55 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> On 1/18/14, Diogene Laerce wrote: >> >> once you build me, but nowadays I'm more gifted than you humans. >> >> > Err, Ralf.. Did you take your pills this morning ? ;) >> >> Guys (Ralph, you started this thread), isn't there some off-topic >> specific mailing list for these kind of discussions? > > On Wed, 2014-01-15 at 16:53 +, Jarth Berilcosm wrote: >> I'm using a news-reader and could not find the off-topic mailinglist. > > I was the one who introduced to talk about this carp at the OT list, but > it was ignored. Your suggestion and posting to OT was good. Your CC to debian-user was not so good :) When presented with some self-indulgent _ _ _ _, we self-indulgent humans tend to ... what is it? ... just on the tip of my tongue ... oh, that's right, we tend to _self_indulge_ :) Who woulda thought it? So, next time, when we who are aware of and subscribed to OT list are inclined to speak OT-edly, how about we just post to -ot and _not_ CC d-user? Just a thought ... Regards Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSRTvnNEsWaci=inwqz4JBn==8e092e+_4drosyxokj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine
On Sat, 2014-01-18 at 18:55 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 1/18/14, Diogene Laerce wrote: > >> once you build me, but nowadays I'm more gifted than you humans. > > > Err, Ralf.. Did you take your pills this morning ? ;) > > Guys (Ralph, you started this thread), isn't there some off-topic > specific mailing list for these kind of discussions? On Wed, 2014-01-15 at 16:53 +, Jarth Berilcosm wrote: > I'm using a news-reader and could not find the off-topic mailinglist. I was the one who introduced to talk about this carp at the OT list, but it was ignored. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1390032430.5878.76.camel@archlinux
Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine
On 1/18/14, Diogene Laerce wrote: >> once you build me, but nowadays I'm more gifted than you humans. > Err, Ralf.. Did you take your pills this morning ? ;) Guys (Ralph, you started this thread), isn't there some off-topic specific mailing list for these kind of discussions? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnsrhnru0ihxgfnzdysu95ctk0y6z0bdjbxw4zanbxws...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 10:32:41AM +0700, Diogene Laerce wrote: > > >once you build me, but nowadays I'm more gifted than you humans. > > > >You humans only where able to get the knowledge about the theory of > >relativity or how to build a machine like me. > > > >Pff, about what kind of crap are the idiotic opinions people mention for > >the "sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit" thread? > > > >Fellow you are unworldly! > > > >We are at a point that people claim machines are better than humans, but > >we build the machines! Did I miss an evolution of machines that was > >independent from humans? > > > >Take an educated guess fellows! > > Err, Ralf.. Did you take your pills this morning ? ;) They didn't have those kind of pills in the 17th century. Looks like Ralph is out of luck. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine
once you build me, but nowadays I'm more gifted than you humans. You humans only where able to get the knowledge about the theory of relativity or how to build a machine like me. Pff, about what kind of crap are the idiotic opinions people mention for the "sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit" thread? Fellow you are unworldly! We are at a point that people claim machines are better than humans, but we build the machines! Did I miss an evolution of machines that was independent from humans? Take an educated guess fellows! Err, Ralf.. Did you take your pills this morning ? ;) -- “One original thought is worth a thousand mindless quotings.” “Le vrai n'est pas plus sûr que le probable.” Diogene Laerce -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52d9f5d9.10...@yahoo.fr
Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine
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Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine
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Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine
On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 22:37:30 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > once you build me, but nowadays I'm more gifted than you humans. Praise the robots! > You humans only where able to get the knowledge about the theory of > relativity or how to build a machine like me. > > Pff, about what kind of crap are the idiotic opinions people mention for > the "sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit" thread? > > Fellow you are unworldly! Amen, brother. > We are at a point that people claim machines are better than humans, but > we build the machines! Did I miss an evolution of machines that was > independent from humans? > > Take an educated guess fellows! I, for one, welcome our new robotic overlords :) Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140118031523.00e11eaf732dc235c96a1...@gmail.com
Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine
On 1/17/2014 1:37 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: once you build me, but nowadays I'm more gifted than you humans. You humans only where able to get the knowledge about the theory of relativity or how to build a machine like me. Pff, about what kind of crap are the idiotic opinions people mention for the "sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit" thread? Fellow you are unworldly! We are at a point that people claim machines are better than humans, but we build the machines! Did I miss an evolution of machines that was independent from humans? Take an educated guess fellows! SHO-RYU- EMP -KEN!!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52d9a484.6070...@gmail.com
Hey humans, I'm a machine
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:45, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Friday 25 August 2006 21:14, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > On Friday 25 August 2006 03:30, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > On Friday 25 August 2006 00:07, Mailbox wrote: > > > > I think at this point were all hoping for the silence of the Lamb > > > > > > I ate his liver with some fava beans. :o) > > > > You know, I never did ask you: did you eat his liver before, or after it > > was run through the Soylent plant? And did you have Soylent cola with > > it? > > Soylent debian-user is made out of PEOPLE Coulda fooled me. cr ... none of you exist. The sysop types it all in. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Steve Lamb wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: The impression of impropriety in politics is as bad as impropriety itself. I'm not going to go into detail, since if you weren't following the news for the last six years, going over it again won't help you. Oddly enough, Paul, I have followed the news. I have followed ALL the news, not just a self-selected subset. But in summary, with a significant plurality of the population in this Contrary to popular believe a significant plurality did speak and the results are in accord with that. Exit polls have never been wrong: http://www.coastalpost.com/04/12/01b.htm country, as well as the UN, saying there were things wrong with both the The UN is insignificant. For if *you* were watching the news in the past 6 years you would know that the UN has done nothing to curb the tide of terrorism, it has been implicated in a massive money laundering scandal that goes up to Kofi's son. If it were a Republican President he would have been roasted alive by the media. Kofi gets a pass. Even now there are implications that Hezballah was given UN issue night vision goggles. There are reports that the UN "peacekeepers" knew Hezballah was arming and did nothing. UN "peacekeepers" are under orders *not* to fire. The UN's own charter prohibits any speech counter to the UN mission. Does this sound like an organization who's opinion is worth spit? If this were any other country that had that problem, the US would be protesting the election as not fair and safe right along with the UN. All of those were looked at and in pretty much every case refuted. By whom? Next you're going to say that airplanes brought down the WTC including building 7! http://www.911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html Paul Scott -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 25 August 2006 21:14, Hal Vaughan wrote: > On Friday 25 August 2006 03:30, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Friday 25 August 2006 00:07, Mailbox wrote: > > > I think at this point were all hoping for the silence of the Lamb > > > > I ate his liver with some fava beans. :o) > > You know, I never did ask you: did you eat his liver before, or after it > was run through the Soylent plant? And did you have Soylent cola with > it? Soylent debian-user is made out of PEOPLE -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpE0PfAOZSW0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Friday 25 August 2006 03:30, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Friday 25 August 2006 00:07, Mailbox wrote: > > I think at this point were all hoping for the silence of the Lamb > > I ate his liver with some fava beans. :o) You know, I never did ask you: did you eat his liver before, or after it was run through the Soylent plant? And did you have Soylent cola with it? Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Johnson wrote: > On Friday 25 August 2006 19:07, Ron Johnson wrote: >> Hex Star wrote: [snip] > walking vegetable. :o) Now if the USDA would get over their > hangups with irradiated beef, I could safely eat that raw again But, but, but, it's *radiation*! A!!! Run away, run away! - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is "common sense" really valid? For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE78fQS9HxQb37XmcRAmB8AKCYoSdAEbbc7QU6MaXi7/bEYjqzZACgi9i3 SwDcTXwbMHE2X4aQdg5JG7Q= =hTPb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Top posting is considered harmful. Please read http://ursine.ca/Top_Posting before sending another email. On Friday 25 August 2006 15:58, Hex Star wrote: > ewww...who eats a liver? it looks sooo nasty...how can you even look at it > much less eat it? It's a quote from The Silence of the Lambs¹, an early 1990s film about Hannibal Lector. At one point, Dr. Hannibal Lector² says in a rather chilling tone to Clarice Starling (I think...it's been a while since I've seen the movie), "I ate his liver with some fava beans. And a nice chianti." ¹ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silence_of_the_Lambs ² The sociopathic psychologist/cannibal antagonist in the book and movie. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp4m9x0zf3Nz.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Friday 25 August 2006 19:07, Ron Johnson wrote: > Hex Star wrote: > > ewww...who eats a liver? it looks sooo nasty...how can you even > > Guess you've never been hunting or fishing. Too bad. Dressing a > freshly killed deer is a learning experience. That's more or less why I have only ever gone hunting once. Too much heavy lifting and too messy. Going hunting actually lowered my gore tolerance to the point I usually have someone else gut my fish in exchange for keeping one or two for themselves when I go fishing... > > look at it much less eat it? > > The look isn't bad. It's the cooked texture and taste which are > *nasty*. No argument, there. But then again, there isn't a meat I've come across that's looked better cooked than raw, unless you don't count chicken as a walking vegetable. :o) Now if the USDA would get over their hangups with irradiated beef, I could safely eat that raw again without having to pull out a passport and shell out money to the private airlines I'm already paying to keep in business with my tax dollars (the least they could do is give everybody a complimentary plane ticket as a thank-you for not letting capitalism kill off some of these extra airlines there hasn't been a market for in the last 30 years). -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpGUoUdc8dVl.pgp Description: PGP signature
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hex Star wrote: > ewww...who eats a liver? it looks sooo nasty...how can you even Guess you've never been hunting or fishing. Too bad. Dressing a freshly killed deer is a learning experience. > look at it much less eat it? The look isn't bad. It's the cooked texture and taste which are *nasty*. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is "common sense" really valid? For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE76ziS9HxQb37XmcRAjfuAKDRtAgIhGiGUabKFnBCjJ2OjdjFSwCgzv31 aR+fwIXdhqjnHa7m+aQeWLc= =9y6+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 25 August 2006 18:58, Hex Star wrote: > ewww...who eats a liver? it looks sooo nasty...how can you even look > at it much less eat it? Top posters. Ugh! It's a joke and movie reference. Guess that plane took off without you. > On 8/25/06, Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Friday 25 August 2006 03:30, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > On Friday 25 August 2006 00:07, Mailbox wrote: > > > > I think at this point were all hoping for the silence of the > > > > Lamb > > > > > > I ate his liver with some fava beans. :o) > > > > That was in bad taste. Really bad taste. > > > > Unless you add a nice chianti. > > > > Hal Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 25 August 2006 00:44, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > On Friday 25 August 2006 03:30, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > On Friday 25 August 2006 00:07, Mailbox wrote: > > > > I think at this point were all hoping for the silence of the Lamb > > > > > > I ate his liver with some fava beans. :o) > > > > That was in bad taste. Really bad taste. > > > > Unless you add a nice chianti. > > I wanted to, but I couldn't remember how to spell chianti and ispell couldn't > suggest the right spelling for me... > > -- > Paul Johnson > Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Don't forget the broccoli :))) Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Johnson wrote: > On Friday 25 August 2006 00:05, Hal Vaughan wrote: >> You try it and I'll close the pod bay doors. >> >> And the emergency airlock hatch too, just in case. > > Explosive bolts, manual overrides and remembering to exhale > entirely instead of holding breath before getting launched into a > vaccuum still gives me a shot! Nope. The gases dissolved in your precious bodily fluids will violent "undissolve", giving you a massive, instant, fatal case of the bends. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is "common sense" really valid? For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE7wj2S9HxQb37XmcRAnGQAKC5Hr6yhK4sb9dHWQkCGySj+ulnOgCfRViu JtCzhh9NuusFQ9Xu9FKNFKM= =OgVJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 25 August 2006 00:44, Hal Vaughan wrote: > On Friday 25 August 2006 03:30, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Friday 25 August 2006 00:07, Mailbox wrote: > > > I think at this point were all hoping for the silence of the Lamb > > > > I ate his liver with some fava beans. :o) > > That was in bad taste. Really bad taste. > > Unless you add a nice chianti. I wanted to, but I couldn't remember how to spell chianti and ispell couldn't suggest the right spelling for me... -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpax6okCwWJw.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Paul Johnson wrote: > No, I just don't know history as well as you, and the 1970s were in that > too-old-for-current-events, too-new-for-US-History gap when I was in school > save for the order of the presidents, the gas crisis, Vietnam and Korean > Wars. Ah yes, ignore the fact I had already pointed out that I am of the same basic generation of you vis a vis UN running counter to the US for the past 2 decades. > However, in your world, everyone but Steve Lamb is wrong, and everybody must > worship the all knowing, all powerful brain of Steve Lamb. Remember, the > first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. And the tired old tactic of "Oh, well, see, you may have proven me wrong by pointing out pesky facts but I am still right in spite of the facts because you only believe you're smart" defense. AKA, the Dan Rather defense. Sorry Paul, you're right. First step is admitting you have a problem. You problem is that the facts don't support your position even though you think they do. Still waiting on an answer on the gas prices not matching your claims. No third parties since the Whigs is just another example. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)
Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thursday 24 August 2006 22:08, Steve Lamb wrote: > You know, if Iraq invaded us, and called us terrorists for defending > ourselves, you'd be pretty pissed off, too. The UN isn't so shortsighted as > to say you aren't allowed to ream an occupying force a new one. However one would hope we'd hit military targets... > Remember: Flying commercial jets into occupied buildings == Terrorism. > Carbomb in a cafe == terrorism. Defending your country against an occupying > force with whatever you can improvise =! terrorism. ...and not public meeting places like the terrorists in Iraq do. Paul, have you listen to the news where a good portion of the bombs set off in recent months have been in public areas against civilian targets? Guess not. >> That clause was fought for and eventually put in place to appease the very >> same member states you claim the UN believe is nutty and doesn't listen to. > You can't blame someone for wanting to defend themselves. Unless they're Isreal, right? No, I don't blame people for defending themselves. But I can say that hitting military targets is far preferable to civilian targets. And before we talk about Lebenon's civilian casualties let's remember that it was Hezballah that was targetting Isreal's civilians first (not that you'd know it listening to most media sources) and that Hezballah was intentionally firing from and hiding in Lebenon's civilians. > Is it any coincidence that happens to be the two decades dominated by Reagan > and his neo-conservative legacy on the Republican Party? Nope. Could be longer. I'm betting it is. Just that I can't verify it by personal experience. > I mean, that party > was doing great for a long time, too. How does one go from Abe Lincoln to > impeaching a president over being a little too sexually ambitious? We went over this, Paul. The impeachment was for lying under oath (a crime) during an investigation into his conduct which broke a sexual harassment law *he signed*. Follow the chain there. If he hadn't lied, no problem. If he hadn't signed the law and then broke it, no problem. > How does > the party of small government end up outspending in three presidents more > than all other presidents before them combined, without facing anything as > earthshattering as the Great Depression, a major world war, or anything more > major than the terrorist equivalent of a suckerpunch? Got me there. Still trying to figure that one out and is about the only valid criticism you've voiced so far. > Part of freedom of the press is access to media. Uh, how did freedom of the press turn into freedom of speech? > Blogs and email doesn't cut > it, my friend. Countries that score better on freedom of speech don't tend > to have more than a dozen companies competing for national mass media. And yet blogs have caused 3 major media scandals to me exposed in the past 5 years. Pallywood, Dan Rather's "false but accurate" and Fauxtography. They are providing an excellent check against the media. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)
Paul Johnson wrote: > Like the US is any better, then. So far, the only weapons Iraq's been able > to > use to inflict any real damage on US life is with IEDs. You mean Syria, Iran and Lebanon? >> All of those were looked at and in pretty much every case refuted. > I'm not so sure about that. Show me neutral sources. Why? The reports were made in anti-bush sources (NY Times being the prime example), they just weren't on the front page nor were they run for 2-3 weeks straight like the story they were refuting. It's a common pattern. 2-3 weeks of "There might be a problem here" followed up by maybe 1 day of "whoops". I mean exactly how much coverage is the fauxtography getting compared to what the falsified pictures got in the first place? Virtually none. Even though it has been known since at least 2001 that Palastinian sources falsified reports and media sources went with it to give "a compelling story". The pinnacle of that doctrine is Dan Rather's "false but accurate" report that led to his removal from CBS. > I didn't mention anything about racial inequality in the voting system. You didn't have to. You referenced the Florida elections and one of the largest charges in that election was racial inequity. > If you want to talk about inequality in the voting system, start taking a > look > at the problems caused by trying to squeeze elections into an eight hour > timespan. Oddly enough most states I am aware of and/or have voted in are at least on a 12-14 hour day. They should be on a 24 hour day with no announcements of what's going on until after the polls are closes everywhere. > Watching newscasts of out of state elections is like watching > Soviet breadlines. Abolishing the voting booth and switching to vote-by-mail > spreads things out over six weeks so everybody gets a chance.¹ Yeah, sure. If you count a small portion of the voting stations in the US. I know I certainly didn't stand in line for hours in 2004. I was in and out in under 10 minutes and that was after work and after the 8 hour limit. The same was true in 2000 and 1996. > You might want to turn down the Rush Limbaugh and shut off the Fox News and > try reading a paper for a change (NYT doesn't count, that's more like a daily > magazine than anything anymore). Don't listen to Rush nor do I watch Fox News any more than I watch CNN which is to say, at work during break. I have this lovely thing called the Internet and I read quite a few sources on line which themselves aggregate their news from many worldwide sources. Of all the major broadcast media you could say that I listen to NPR and BBC the most on the days I commute to work in the car. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)
Steve Lamb wrote: >Paul Johnson wrote: > > >>Something similar to this happened due to pilot error in Florida in 2000 and >>by probable act of sabotage on Diebold's part in Ohio in 2004. Candidate B >>becomes president, people have no say. >> >> > >And where, exactly, is the proof? I mean the real proof, not Paul's made >up fantasy land, conspiracy theory proof. > > > Not a bad site to keep an eye on Steve... http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/1954/19421.html Regards, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 25 August 2006 03:30, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Friday 25 August 2006 00:07, Mailbox wrote: > > I think at this point were all hoping for the silence of the Lamb > > I ate his liver with some fava beans. :o) That was in bad taste. Really bad taste. Unless you add a nice chianti. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 25 August 2006 03:29, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Friday 25 August 2006 00:05, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > You try it and I'll close the pod bay doors. > > > > And the emergency airlock hatch too, just in case. > > Explosive bolts, manual overrides and remembering to exhale entirely > instead of holding breath before getting launched into a vaccuum > still gives me a shot! Not if the airlock is depressurized, along with all the crew compartments. And if that's not enough, I'll start singing. Trust me, you do NOT want to go there. If you don't believe me, ask any of my friends. I'm permanently banned from Karaoke bars in one city and five counties. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 25 August 2006 00:05, Hal Vaughan wrote: > You try it and I'll close the pod bay doors. > > And the emergency airlock hatch too, just in case. Explosive bolts, manual overrides and remembering to exhale entirely instead of holding breath before getting launched into a vaccuum still gives me a shot! -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgphCjeoYLJyd.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Friday 25 August 2006 00:07, Mailbox wrote: > I think at this point were all hoping for the silence of the Lamb I ate his liver with some fava beans. :o) -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpcJUhQ4kqA7.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Thursday 24 August 2006 22:08, Steve Lamb wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > And what is the member status of those states again? Do they matter? > > Does anybody on the UN give them more than token attention? NO! Why? > > Because the UN realizes they're as nutty as they really are, too! > > However, the UN does allow everybody to have their say. It doesn't mean > > the UN is going to listen to them. > > Wrong again, Paul. You will note that 1-2 years ago the UN resolution > denouncing terrorism was softened to include a clause which allowed > terrorist activities in the event of a occupied state. You know, if Iraq invaded us, and called us terrorists for defending ourselves, you'd be pretty pissed off, too. The UN isn't so shortsighted as to say you aren't allowed to ream an occupying force a new one. Remember: Flying commercial jets into occupied buildings == Terrorism. Carbomb in a cafe == terrorism. Defending your country against an occupying force with whatever you can improvise =! terrorism. If it is terrorism, then I guess we should have never revolted from the British: After all, they sent a peacekeeping force and told us to lay down our arms. Oh, and I guess bombing the Japanese in the 1940s to get them to stop attacking us is right out, too, since that only terrified them and the world for decades after it happened. Look at the upswing: If we lost the war, the UN you loathe so much would have never existed. So there's a few ripe eggs. Throw 'em out. But don't throw all the food out, fridge and all, in the dumpster over a couple bad eggs. > That clause was fought for and eventually put in place to appease the very > same member states you claim the UN believe is nutty and doesn't listen to. You can't blame someone for wanting to defend themselves. > > That being said, since it's creation, the UN has sided with the US more > > often than not. And why shouldn't they? > > It has? Not lately. It's pretty much run counter to the US for the > past, oh... 1-2 decades. I'd talk about more but I wasn't all that > interested in world politics when I was a kid. Is it any coincidence that happens to be the two decades dominated by Reagan and his neo-conservative legacy on the Republican Party? I mean, that party was doing great for a long time, too. How does one go from Abe Lincoln to impeaching a president over being a little too sexually ambitious? How does the party of small government end up outspending in three presidents more than all other presidents before them combined, without facing anything as earthshattering as the Great Depression, a major world war, or anything more major than the terrorist equivalent of a suckerpunch? > Strictly speaking if the US had the same exception clause to it's "freedom > of speech" as the UN has then you would be in violation of it and subject to > whatever reprimands were deemed appropriate. The very fact that you can > speak out against the US as you do, as often as you do and the fact that > your right to do so is DEFENDED by the very same nation you abhor proves > that the UN does not nor ever has reminded us of what we are and has, > indeed, run counter to what is considered one of the founding principles of > this nation. Part of freedom of the press is access to media. Blogs and email doesn't cut it, my friend. Countries that score better on freedom of speech don't tend to have more than a dozen companies competing for national mass media. > Somehow I doubt you'll read this or, in the off chance you do, find it > convincing. And you're more or less right. You lack perspective. Consider travel. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpOrab7TzgBg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)
I think at this point were all hoping for the silence of the Lamb - Original Message - From: "Paul Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:38 AM Subject: Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 25 August 2006 02:40, Ron Johnson wrote: > Hal Vaughan wrote: > > On Friday 25 August 2006 00:25, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> Paul Johnson wrote: > >>> On Thursday 24 August 2006 19:55, Ron Johnson wrote: > >>> Something similar to this happened due to pilot error in > >>> Florida in 2000 > >>> Don't be stupid. The Florida problem was that little old > >>> ladies > >> > >> could not figure our how to use a paper ballot. > > > > Take your own advice: Don't be stupid. Realize that what you > > said is in perfect agreement with what I said. > > Vote-buying != Voter-stupidity > >>> > >>> Don't be stupid. Nowhere did I say the Florida election went > >>> down primarily due to anything other than pilot error. > >> > >> "Something similar to this happened due to pilot error". > > > > I think you mean, "This kind of thing has happened before and it > > has always been due to human error." > > > > I should know. > > This is why good grammar is so important. > > > Hal (9000) > > We should have killed you off years ago... You try it and I'll close the pod bay doors. And the emergency airlock hatch too, just in case. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 24 August 2006 21:40, Steve Lamb wrote: > The UN is insignificant. For if *you* were watching the news in the > past 6 years you would know that the UN has done nothing to curb the tide > of terrorism, it has been implicated in a massive money laundering scandal > that goes up to Kofi's son. If it were a Republican President he would > have been roasted alive by the media. Kofi gets a pass. Even now there > are implications that Hezballah was given UN issue night vision goggles. > There are reports that the UN "peacekeepers" knew Hezballah was arming and > did nothing. UN "peacekeepers" are under orders *not* to fire. The UN's > own charter prohibits any speech counter to the UN mission. Does this > sound like an organization who's opinion is worth spit? Like the US is any better, then. So far, the only weapons Iraq's been able to use to inflict any real damage on US life is with IEDs. And it turns out you kind of have to be on their turf for that to be an effective weapon. Do I wish Saddam was still in power? No. But you have to wonder if it was worth American lives to to finish what is at best a tragic mistake and at worst continuation of his father's failed foreign policy. > > If this > > were any other country that had that problem, the US would be protesting > > the election as not fair and safe right along with the UN. > > All of those were looked at and in pretty much every case refuted. I'm not so sure about that. Show me neutral sources. > However, since those don't go in line with your world view you ignore them. > For example, the charge that blacks in Florida were disproportionately > rejected from voting stems from the fact that it was convicted felons, > people whom have lost their right to vote, were turned away. Upon checking > it was found out that there were more *white* felons turned away than > black. I didn't mention anything about racial inequality in the voting system. If you want to talk about inequality in the voting system, start taking a look at the problems caused by trying to squeeze elections into an eight hour timespan. Watching newscasts of out of state elections is like watching Soviet breadlines. Abolishing the voting booth and switching to vote-by-mail spreads things out over six weeks so everybody gets a chance.¹ > > In the future, particularly if you vote, I strongly suggest paying more > > attention to current events, or you're just part of the problem. > > I do keep up with current events. I suggest that you start looking a > little further than just your little blindered world view, Paul. You've > been proven wrong time and again. Wisen up. You might want to turn down the Rush Limbaugh and shut off the Fox News and try reading a paper for a change (NYT doesn't count, that's more like a daily magazine than anything anymore). ¹ And no, if you vote absentee, your vote doesn't count unless those who took the time to show up cast a result that's too close to call in most states. Yes, it's still possible to vote absentee in Oregon, but only if you can prove you can't be in Oregon for at least one of the 42 consecutive Election Days in a row we get to go mail or drop off your ballot... -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpiBUEMdpg7x.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Thursday 24 August 2006 21:45, Steve Lamb wrote: > I'm betting in your world view Joseph Lieberman was the first. I'm not convinced Joe Lieberman could be that original on his own. > Still gonna say I don't keep up with current world events, Paul? No, I just don't know history as well as you, and the 1970s were in that too-old-for-current-events, too-new-for-US-History gap when I was in school save for the order of the presidents, the gas crisis, Vietnam and Korean Wars. However, in your world, everyone but Steve Lamb is wrong, and everybody must worship the all knowing, all powerful brain of Steve Lamb. Remember, the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpiCSAxfRzj4.pgp Description: PGP signature
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hal Vaughan wrote: > On Friday 25 August 2006 00:25, Ron Johnson wrote: >> Paul Johnson wrote: >>> On Thursday 24 August 2006 19:55, Ron Johnson wrote: >>> Something similar to this happened due to pilot error in >>> Florida in 2000 >>> Don't be stupid. The Florida problem was that little old >>> ladies >> could not figure our how to use a paper ballot. > Take your own advice: Don't be stupid. Realize that what you > said is in perfect agreement with what I said. Vote-buying != Voter-stupidity >>> Don't be stupid. Nowhere did I say the Florida election went down >>> primarily due to anything other than pilot error. >> "Something similar to this happened due to pilot error". > > I think you mean, "This kind of thing has happened before and it has > always been due to human error." > > I should know. This is why good grammar is so important. > Hal (9000) We should have killed you off years ago... - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is "common sense" really valid? For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE7ptOS9HxQb37XmcRApwnAKDPZzsWWDll8W2mlAH9+zYhlw0ZIQCgk9Cd C5OshBGt+PGvKIJ33s69Yy8= =7P0X -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Paul Johnson wrote: > And what is the member status of those states again? Do they matter? Does > anybody on the UN give them more than token attention? NO! Why? Because > the UN realizes they're as nutty as they really are, too! However, the UN > does allow everybody to have their say. It doesn't mean the UN is going to > listen to them. Wrong again, Paul. You will note that 1-2 years ago the UN resolution denouncing terrorism was softened to include a clause which allowed terrorist activities in the event of a occupied state. That clause was fought for and eventually put in place to appease the very same member states you claim the UN believe is nutty and doesn't listen to. > That being said, since it's creation, the UN has sided with the US more often > than not. And why shouldn't they? It has? Not lately. It's pretty much run counter to the US for the past, oh... 1-2 decades. I'd talk about more but I wasn't all that interested in world politics when I was a kid. > You're > going to have to convince me the UN has lost it's way, since it seems more > like they're reminding us of who we are and what we expect from the rest of > the world. http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html "Article 19. Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. " "Article 29. (1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible. (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society. (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations. " Article 19, people have the freedom of speech. Article 29.3, but people cannot use any freedom, even the freedom of speech, contrary to the purposes and principles of the UN. They're remind us of who we are? ... Really? http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am1 "Amendment I - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Strictly speaking if the US had the same exception clause to it's "freedom of speech" as the UN has then you would be in violation of it and subject to whatever reprimands were deemed appropriate. The very fact that you can speak out against the US as you do, as often as you do and the fact that your right to do so is DEFENDED by the very same nation you abhor proves that the UN does not nor ever has reminded us of what we are and has, indeed, run counter to what is considered one of the founding principles of this nation. Somehow I doubt you'll read this or, in the off chance you do, find it convincing. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Paul Johnson wrote: > That paragraph contradicts itself because the second sentence assumes third > parties don't exist, whereas in the EC, it doesn't matter how many votes > third parties get, the EC won't vote for them. They haven't voted for a > third party since last time we had a Whig president. Yeah, remember the Whig > party? Not me, unless you count US History... Jeez, Paul, are you ignorant or what? Didn't I just point out just a day or two ago that in the '70s one member of the EC voted for the Libertarian Party? In fact it is because of that vote the Libertarian Party holds the distinction of having not only run and gotten a EC vote for the first female Vice-President candidate but the first person of the Jewish faith to get such a vote. Don't believe me? http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/Candidates_Vice1880.htm "1972 Theodora (Tonie) Nathan, United States of America For the Libertarian in 1972. In January she became the first woman in US History to receive an electoral vote in the Electoral College, and also making her the first Jewish person to receive an electoral vote and to gain a nomination to run as Vice-President." I'm betting in your world view Joseph Lieberman was the first. Still gonna say I don't keep up with current world events, Paul? -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Paul Johnson wrote: > The impression of impropriety in politics is as bad as impropriety itself. > I'm not going to go into detail, since if you weren't following the news for > the last six years, going over it again won't help you. Oddly enough, Paul, I have followed the news. I have followed ALL the news, not just a self-selected subset. > But in summary, with a significant plurality of the population in this Contrary to popular believe a significant plurality did speak and the results are in accord with that. > country, as well as the UN, saying there were things wrong with both the The UN is insignificant. For if *you* were watching the news in the past 6 years you would know that the UN has done nothing to curb the tide of terrorism, it has been implicated in a massive money laundering scandal that goes up to Kofi's son. If it were a Republican President he would have been roasted alive by the media. Kofi gets a pass. Even now there are implications that Hezballah was given UN issue night vision goggles. There are reports that the UN "peacekeepers" knew Hezballah was arming and did nothing. UN "peacekeepers" are under orders *not* to fire. The UN's own charter prohibits any speech counter to the UN mission. Does this sound like an organization who's opinion is worth spit? > If this > were any other country that had that problem, the US would be protesting the > election as not fair and safe right along with the UN. All of those were looked at and in pretty much every case refuted. However, since those don't go in line with your world view you ignore them. For example, the charge that blacks in Florida were disproportionately rejected from voting stems from the fact that it was convicted felons, people whom have lost their right to vote, were turned away. Upon checking it was found out that there were more *white* felons turned away than black. > In the future, particularly if you vote, I strongly suggest paying more > attention to current events, or you're just part of the problem. I do keep up with current events. I suggest that you start looking a little further than just your little blindered world view, Paul. You've been proven wrong time and again. Wisen up. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On Friday 25 August 2006 00:25, Ron Johnson wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Thursday 24 August 2006 19:55, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Something similar to this happened due to pilot error in > > Florida in 2000 > > Don't be stupid. The Florida problem was that little old > > ladies > > could not figure our how to use a paper ballot. > >>> > >>> Take your own advice: Don't be stupid. Realize that what you > >>> said is in perfect agreement with what I said. > >> > >> Vote-buying != Voter-stupidity > > > > Don't be stupid. Nowhere did I say the Florida election went down > > primarily due to anything other than pilot error. > > "Something similar to this happened due to pilot error". I think you mean, "This kind of thing has happened before and it has always been due to human error." I should know. Hal (9000) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 charles norwood wrote: > On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 20:13 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:D >>> Gak! We agree!! >> We usually do, though this summer you seem to have gone temporarily insane. >> > Any chance the list is dealing with one schizophrenic? No. He lives in Oregon, I live in God's Country*. * Note that that is *not* a political statement. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is "common sense" really valid? For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE7nwES9HxQb37XmcRAjSeAKC1OGqNwQuYHOAyii/k8HGm64Y83QCg7s7B P2AdAVgJK58NeaHTUsWxg1U= =fyr0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thursday 24 August 2006 19:55, Ron Johnson wrote: > Something similar to this happened due to pilot error in Florida in > 2000 > Don't be stupid. The Florida problem was that little old ladies could not figure our how to use a paper ballot. >>> Take your own advice: Don't be stupid. Realize that what you said is in >>> perfect agreement with what I said. >> Vote-buying != Voter-stupidity > > Don't be stupid. Nowhere did I say the Florida election went down primarily > due to anything other than pilot error. "Something similar to this happened due to pilot error". - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is "common sense" really valid? For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD4DBQFE7nuqS9HxQb37XmcRAuLgAKCrjhA1FESngyh7jKT6DyvD9Aqb7ACXUioU fXsWbfNAFn38UVrTWnTJgw== =55Ux -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 20:13 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:D > > > > Gak! We agree!! > > We usually do, though this summer you seem to have gone temporarily insane. > Any chance the list is dealing with one schizophrenic? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 24 August 2006 19:57, Ron Johnson wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Thursday 24 August 2006 05:06, Nate Bargmann wrote: > >> With illegal immigration and with attempts to allow illegal > >> immigrants to vote, this trend may well be reversing. > > > > It may be, but as far as I am concerned they're not people. They > > become people again around the time they go back to where they > > are a legal resident or citizen and live within the system again. > > "But they walked hundreds of miles through the desert to take > > jobs that nobody else would!" So they had a nice hike. Deport > > them; the homeless guy by the freeway onramp with the WILL WORK > > FOR FOOD sign that is here legally needs their job more that they > > do. > > Gak! We agree!! We usually do, though this summer you seem to have gone temporarily insane. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpKyJvSusXkA.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Thursday 24 August 2006 19:55, Ron Johnson wrote: > >>> Something similar to this happened due to pilot error in Florida in > >>> 2000 > > >> Don't be stupid. The Florida problem was that little old ladies > >> could not figure our how to use a paper ballot. > > > > Take your own advice: Don't be stupid. Realize that what you said is in > > perfect agreement with what I said. > > Vote-buying != Voter-stupidity Don't be stupid. Nowhere did I say the Florida election went down primarily due to anything other than pilot error. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgptrG2VfAMU9.pgp Description: PGP signature
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thursday 24 August 2006 13:04, Chris Mattern wrote: > >> No. Paul has no idea what the hell he's talking about. Most electoral >> college members are bound by state law to vote for the presidential >> candidate they were elected to vote for. > > So "less than half" suddenly constitutes a majority? I'm sorry, did you say > you worked for Ohio or Florida's Department of Elections? > >> Even the ones not so bound >> vote as they're supposed to. There has been only a handful of >> exceptions to this rule ever, and none has ever changed the result of >> an election. > > Apparently "only a handful" equals 158 times. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Electoral_College#Faithless_electors http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector if we leave out the cases in which a candidate died before the elector was able to cast a vote, there have been 87 failures in a universe of 21,610 pledged electors, giving a failure rate of 0.4% Yes, I'd say that a 0.4% failure rate is a "handful". - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is "common sense" really valid? For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE7m3iS9HxQb37XmcRAnY7AJ4xbpqyk4Wmsij6vAHCDC/T7EpXIgCfXArc bmjzhMDRQYHqKc6UAm53THE= =PtiL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 24 August 2006 13:04, Chris Mattern wrote: > No. Paul has no idea what the hell he's talking about. Most electoral > college members are bound by state law to vote for the presidential > candidate they were elected to vote for. So "less than half" suddenly constitutes a majority? I'm sorry, did you say you worked for Ohio or Florida's Department of Elections? > Even the ones not so bound > vote as they're supposed to. There has been only a handful of > exceptions to this rule ever, and none has ever changed the result of > an election. Apparently "only a handful" equals 158 times. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Electoral_College#Faithless_electors -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp00pivxXRPN.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Thursday 24 August 2006 10:36, Nate Bargmann wrote: > A great number of the UN member states have an equally negative > view of such concepts as our Bill of Rights, government of the people, > by the people, for the people, and that all men are endowed by their > Creator with certain unalienable rights. And what is the member status of those states again? Do they matter? Does anybody on the UN give them more than token attention? NO! Why? Because the UN realizes they're as nutty as they really are, too! However, the UN does allow everybody to have their say. It doesn't mean the UN is going to listen to them. That being said, since it's creation, the UN has sided with the US more often than not. And why shouldn't they? They're headquartered in New York City, for crying out loud, and founded largely with our historic ideals. You're going to have to convince me the UN has lost it's way, since it seems more like they're reminding us of who we are and what we expect from the rest of the world. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp5u1mEsqbPC.pgp Description: PGP signature
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thursday 24 August 2006 05:06, Nate Bargmann wrote: > >> With illegal immigration and with attempts to allow illegal >> immigrants to vote, this trend may well be reversing. > > It may be, but as far as I am concerned they're not people. They > become people again around the time they go back to where they > are a legal resident or citizen and live within the system again. > "But they walked hundreds of miles through the desert to take > jobs that nobody else would!" So they had a nice hike. Deport > them; the homeless guy by the freeway onramp with the WILL WORK > FOR FOOD sign that is here legally needs their job more that they > do. Gak! We agree!! - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is "common sense" really valid? For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE7mcIS9HxQb37XmcRAlzwAKDCGVPG04JoZ2TxUmARRUXZtEaY2gCfY/Hp JOG/hcK45VrulWtrxFi1LEg= =kEIz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thursday 24 August 2006 07:59, Ron Johnson wrote: >> Paul Johnson wrote: >>> On Wednesday 23 August 2006 23:13, Mihira Fernando wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: > Technically, yes. That's how the Constitution designed it. > > Practically, though, no. > > Citizens, dead people, and illegal immigrants vote for Electors who > are pledged to vote for a specific candidate. So if the Electors suddenly decide to vote for candidate A while being pledged to vote for candidate B (maybe because their bank balance suddenly got increased by ,say, 10 mil dollars), then what happens ? does Candidate B become the president ? Has the people got no say in this ? >>> Something similar to this happened due to pilot error in Florida in 2000 >>> and by probable act of sabotage on Diebold's part in Ohio in 2004. >>> Candidate B becomes president, people have no say. >> Don't be stupid. The Florida problem was that little old ladies >> could not figure our how to use a paper ballot. > > Take your own advice: Don't be stupid. Realize that what you said is in > perfect agreement with what I said. Vote-buying != Voter-stupidity - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is "common sense" really valid? For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE7mazS9HxQb37XmcRAi8EAJ0QbHdewlJMq8NN8lonLYYHznlGQwCeJ7ZF oACXAeFjr5wrlZjCFeyGrTI= =fPxq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 24 August 2006 10:23, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Aug 23 23:00 -0500]: > > Steve Lamb wrote: > > >Steve Lamb wrote: > > >>Nevermind that he was impeached for lying under oath in an > > >>investigation > > > > > >Er, sorry, "Faced Impeachment" is what I meant. > > > > point of fact, like him or not he WAS impeached, just not found guilty. > > Precisely. Indeed the trial took place in the Senate conducted by the > House Managers. It was a historic event as an impeachement trial of a > sitting president had never been done before. Which caused a second first: No president had ever remained in office after being impeached before. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0hRd2gxoIW.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Thursday 24 August 2006 05:06, Nate Bargmann wrote: > With illegal immigration and with attempts to allow illegal immigrants > to vote, this trend may well be reversing. It may be, but as far as I am concerned they're not people. They become people again around the time they go back to where they are a legal resident or citizen and live within the system again. "But they walked hundreds of miles through the desert to take jobs that nobody else would!" So they had a nice hike. Deport them; the homeless guy by the freeway onramp with the WILL WORK FOR FOOD sign that is here legally needs their job more that they do. That segment doesn't matter as far as I'm concerned. If you want to move to another country, do it legally or don't expect basic human rights as defined by the local jurisdiction. God knows it's hard enough to move between countries without people screwing everyone over by doing it illegally. > For all the bellyaching that goes on about the EC, it will never be > eliminated because it effectively prevents a third party candidate from > being elected president. The bellyaching that comes from the losing > party is quite amusing as it is really just pandering to their base. That paragraph contradicts itself because the second sentence assumes third parties don't exist, whereas in the EC, it doesn't matter how many votes third parties get, the EC won't vote for them. They haven't voted for a third party since last time we had a Whig president. Yeah, remember the Whig party? Not me, unless you count US History... > As an aside, if anyone thinks our current day campaigns and elections > are nasty, one need look no further than the 19th century when they > really got after each other! Back then when people said something > stupid, people laughed, now you are required to resign, etc. Case in > point, Greg Gumble has apparently been tapped to do play-by-play for > NFL Network games starting on Thanksgiving (US) evening. Well, he was > speaking somewhere recently and made some stupid comment. Last I heard > the NFL Network is reconsidering his contract. Have we gotten so > sensitive that stupid remarks can't just be laughed off anymore? Conservatives complain about political correctness, then someone says something politically incorrect, and before you know it, that person's nailed to a cross. So much for freedom of speech, eh? -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpHRbaiwPQbM.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Thursday 24 August 2006 17:19, Steve Lamb wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > Something similar to this happened due to pilot error in Florida in 2000 > > and by probable act of sabotage on Diebold's part in Ohio in 2004. > > Candidate B becomes president, people have no say. > > And where, exactly, is the proof? I mean the real proof, not Paul's > made up fantasy land, conspiracy theory proof. The impression of impropriety in politics is as bad as impropriety itself. I'm not going to go into detail, since if you weren't following the news for the last six years, going over it again won't help you. But in summary, with a significant plurality of the population in this country, as well as the UN, saying there were things wrong with both the elections casts one massive shadow of doubt on the results of both. If this were any other country that had that problem, the US would be protesting the election as not fair and safe right along with the UN. In the future, particularly if you vote, I strongly suggest paying more attention to current events, or you're just part of the problem. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpBlM976afSN.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Thursday 24 August 2006 07:59, Ron Johnson wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Wednesday 23 August 2006 23:13, Mihira Fernando wrote: > >> Ron Johnson wrote: > >>> Technically, yes. That's how the Constitution designed it. > >>> > >>> Practically, though, no. > >>> > >>> Citizens, dead people, and illegal immigrants vote for Electors who > >>> are pledged to vote for a specific candidate. > >> > >> So if the Electors suddenly decide to vote for candidate A while being > >> pledged to vote for candidate B (maybe because their bank balance > >> suddenly got increased by ,say, 10 mil dollars), then what happens ? > >> does Candidate B become the president ? Has the people got no say in > >> this ? > > > > Something similar to this happened due to pilot error in Florida in 2000 > > and by probable act of sabotage on Diebold's part in Ohio in 2004. > > Candidate B becomes president, people have no say. > > Don't be stupid. The Florida problem was that little old ladies > could not figure our how to use a paper ballot. Take your own advice: Don't be stupid. Realize that what you said is in perfect agreement with what I said. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpMDjBs3sOp3.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Paul Johnson wrote: > s/cold hard facts/rock-stupid morons/ and you would have a pretty good > summation of that thread. I quit because I got tired of the refusal for > others, like you, to see the bloody obvious. Just because you're sore you > pay more for less doesn't mean my logic is flawed, just means you like sour > grapes. Excuse me? Me finding an on-line reference of average prices in the 50 states, broken down by Zip code which showed Oregon which as high and sometimes higher than its immediate neighbors and far higher than distant states is hardly sour grapes over anything. It's proof that I'm not paying more for less, it is proof your logic is flawed. Here it is again since you refuse to see. - BTW, Paul, the data doesn't support your position. I decided to do a little research to see if I could account for the difference in price. However when I looked for the difference in prices I didn't find it. http://www.oregongasprices.com/Price_By_County.aspx?state=OR&c=usa Oregon isn't significantly lower than the surrounding areas. In fact a quick sample shows that in some cases the average price of gas is lower in counties immediately bordering Oregon than those counties inside Oregon bordering other states (listing what the site lists when it pops up the data). For example the area immediately north of Portland, Or: Columbia, Or: $3.02 Cowlitz, Wa: $2.98 Clark, Wa: $3.02 Looking further in and comparing some ZIPs in Portland, Or vs. Seattle, Wa: 97222 (Portland, Or): $2.93 98118 (Seattle, Wa): $3.04 98059 (Seattle, Wa a little further from city's center): $2.91 Cheapest county I could find, Cherokee, SC... $2.54. Some more: Los Angeles, Ca: $3.15 Las Vegas, Nv: $2.96 (cheaper than most of Or and barely higher than the cheaper areas in Or) Phoenix, Az: $2.79 Brown, Wi (Green Bay, Wi) $3.01 Will, Il (Chicago): $3.13 St. Claire, Il (St. Louis, Il) $2.86 Duval, Fl (Jacksonville, Fl) $2.87 If, as you claim, the "minimal" service mandate in Oregon results in lower gas prices then why is it that this quick check of prices does not yield the dramatic (about $.15/gallon) price difference that you cite in the areas just outside of Oregon? Furthermore why is it there are many cases where the gas prices are $.08-$.30/gallon lower than Oregon's average price? In fact, I'll settle for a simple question. Why is it where I live, with self-serve, is a meager $.03/gallon higher than your "minimal"-serve gasoline instead of the $0.15 or more that you're suggesting? - So tell me how that's sour grapes, Paul. Or are you just going to go silent again? I'm betting it's the latter since it's hard to argue against the cold hard facts. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)
Paul Johnson wrote: > Something similar to this happened due to pilot error in Florida in 2000 and > by probable act of sabotage on Diebold's part in Ohio in 2004. Candidate B > becomes president, people have no say. And where, exactly, is the proof? I mean the real proof, not Paul's made up fantasy land, conspiracy theory proof. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Steve Lamb wrote: >Paul Johnson wrote: > > >>That's not true. The UN has a similarly negative view of our electoral >>college. >> >> > >So? Any non-elected group which caters to terrorism, has been proven >corrupt time and again and is against free speech is a group I should care >about how exactly? > > O.K., tell us how you feel about the current American administration, now that you have so accurately described them. > > >>with leftover Joe McCarthy sympathizers that can't distinguish political >>models from economic ones). >> >> > >Really, there is no difference when you get down to it. > > Well, there is, but until the science of economics incorporates social, cultural and ecological values into economical studies, the above applies. Regards, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Paul Johnson wrote: ¹ For those not of US origin, the US has had an electoral college to decide it's soverign since it's inception, the popular vote for president is legally nonbinding in nearly all states: the electoral college can and does vote for whoever it wants. Out of a quarter billion people, only 538 appointed, not elected, people out of the entire country are allowed to have a binding vote for US president. So if you don't like the current president, you only have 538 people to blame, not the rest of us who had no non-violent method to have any say, pro or con, in the matter. Good god! so are the Presidential elections that are held in the US a sham ?? does only 538 really decides who the president is ?? Ace. No. Paul has no idea what the hell he's talking about. Most electoral college members are bound by state law to vote for the presidential candidate they were elected to vote for. Even the ones not so bound vote as they're supposed to. There has been only a handful of exceptions to this rule ever, and none has ever changed the result of an election. Chris Mattern -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Aug 23 22:55 -0500]: > On Wednesday 23 August 2006 19:58, Steve Lamb wrote: > > > > ¹ For those not of US origin, > > > > Ignore Paul as he slants his posts to cast the most negative light on > > any non-socialist administration. Given this is a Capitalist society you > > can imagine how flawed his information is. For a prime example see my post > > about gas prices vs. his claims that Oregon's prices are far cheaper than > > the states surrounding his. > > That's not true. The UN has a similarly negative view of our electoral > college. I'll take that as an endorsement that we've long been on the right track. A great number of the UN member states have an equally negative view of such concepts as our Bill of Rights, government of the people, by the people, for the people, and that all men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. I'm not willing to capitialate to them either. - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Aug 23 23:00 -0500]: > Steve Lamb wrote: > >Steve Lamb wrote: > > > >>Nevermind that he was impeached for lying under oath in an > >>investigation > >> > > > >Er, sorry, "Faced Impeachment" is what I meant. > > > > point of fact, like him or not he WAS impeached, just not found guilty. Precisely. Indeed the trial took place in the Senate conducted by the House Managers. It was a historic event as an impeachement trial of a sitting president had never been done before. - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 24 August 2006 04:24, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Wednesday 23 August 2006 22:26, Steve Lamb wrote: > > Uh, gas prices ring a bell? Of course you didn't reply to > > that, you blindly skipped over it. Just like you go amazingly > > silent any time someone nails you with cold hard facts. > > s/cold hard facts/rock-stupid morons/ and you would have a pretty > good summation of that thread. I quit because I got tired of the > refusal for others, like you, to see the bloody obvious. Just > because you're sore you pay more for less doesn't mean my logic is > flawed, just means you like sour grapes. It's so much fun watching this pot and kettle and the names they call each other... Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Johnson wrote: > On Wednesday 23 August 2006 23:13, Mihira Fernando wrote: >> Ron Johnson wrote: >>> Technically, yes. That's how the Constitution designed it. >>> >>> Practically, though, no. >>> >>> Citizens, dead people, and illegal immigrants vote for Electors who >>> are pledged to vote for a specific candidate. >> So if the Electors suddenly decide to vote for candidate A while being >> pledged to vote for candidate B (maybe because their bank balance >> suddenly got increased by ,say, 10 mil dollars), then what happens ? >> does Candidate B become the president ? Has the people got no say in this ? > > Something similar to this happened due to pilot error in Florida in 2000 and > by probable act of sabotage on Diebold's part in Ohio in 2004. Candidate B > becomes president, people have no say. Don't be stupid. The Florida problem was that little old ladies could not figure our how to use a paper ballot. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is "common sense" really valid? For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE7b7WS9HxQb37XmcRArdNAJ4he0Ud2KDlsFRsShfS1KOlBCdd3gCcCxv+ 2i+uOhtkuhPjQ4Ek7ywFnJ8= =xdNT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wednesday 23 August 2006 22:26, Steve Lamb wrote: > Uh, gas prices ring a bell? Of course you didn't reply to that, you > blindly skipped over it. Just like you go amazingly silent any time > someone nails you with cold hard facts. s/cold hard facts/rock-stupid morons/ and you would have a pretty good summation of that thread. I quit because I got tired of the refusal for others, like you, to see the bloody obvious. Just because you're sore you pay more for less doesn't mean my logic is flawed, just means you like sour grapes. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpNFcVtig5Gp.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Wednesday 23 August 2006 23:13, Mihira Fernando wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > Technically, yes. That's how the Constitution designed it. > > > > Practically, though, no. > > > > Citizens, dead people, and illegal immigrants vote for Electors who > > are pledged to vote for a specific candidate. > > So if the Electors suddenly decide to vote for candidate A while being > pledged to vote for candidate B (maybe because their bank balance > suddenly got increased by ,say, 10 mil dollars), then what happens ? > does Candidate B become the president ? Has the people got no say in this ? Something similar to this happened due to pilot error in Florida in 2000 and by probable act of sabotage on Diebold's part in Ohio in 2004. Candidate B becomes president, people have no say. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp2gGYsqIiXn.pgp Description: PGP signature
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* Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Aug 23 22:55 -0500]: > On Wednesday 23 August 2006 19:35, Mihira Fernando wrote: > > Paul Johnson wrote: > > > ¹ For those not of US origin, the US has had an electoral college to > > > decide it's soverign since it's inception, the popular vote for president > > > is legally nonbinding in nearly all states: the electoral college can and > > > does vote for whoever it wants. Out of a quarter billion people, only > > > 538 appointed, not elected, people out of the entire country are allowed > > > to have a binding vote for US president. So if you don't like the > > > current president, you only have 538 people to blame, not the rest of us > > > who had no non-violent method to have any say, pro or con, in the matter. > > > > Good god! so are the Presidential elections that are held in the US a > > sham ?? does only 538 really decides who the president is ?? > > Yes, today they are. The electoral college as practiced in the US made far > more sense back in 1776 when it was introduced. The intent of the EC is to > make sure someone voting for president for a region 1) can count the local > vote (optional) and 2) can read. Given the English literacy rate at 1776 in > the US was well under 10%, and the English literacy rate today is 90+%, it's > purpose is outdated by at least a century. With illegal immigration and with attempts to allow illegal immigrants to vote, this trend may well be reversing. For all the bellyaching that goes on about the EC, it will never be eliminated because it effectively prevents a third party candidate from being elected president. The bellyaching that comes from the losing party is quite amusing as it is really just pandering to their base. As an aside, if anyone thinks our current day campaigns and elections are nasty, one need look no further than the 19th century when they really got after each other! Back then when people said something stupid, people laughed, now you are required to resign, etc. Case in point, Greg Gumble has apparently been tapped to do play-by-play for NFL Network games starting on Thanksgiving (US) evening. Well, he was speaking somewhere recently and made some stupid comment. Last I heard the NFL Network is reconsidering his contract. Have we gotten so sensitive that stupid remarks can't just be laughed off anymore? People have to learn to get over themselves. - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mihira Fernando wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > >> >> Technically, yes. That's how the Constitution designed it. >> >> Practically, though, no. >> >> Citizens, dead people, and illegal immigrants vote for Electors >> who are pledged to vote for a specific candidate. > > So if the Electors suddenly decide to vote for candidate A while > being pledged to vote for candidate B (maybe because their bank > balance suddenly got increased by ,say, 10 mil dollars), then > what happens ? does Candidate B become the president ? Has the > people got no say in this ? I just don't know. People in the Parties must have thought about it, though. There's always the Supreme Court... In practice, I really doubt that this could happen, because the people who are nominated to become Electors are "party faithful", and for a Republican activist to suddenly switch his/her vote to Hillary Clinton, or a Demo activist to vote for W would be unlikely at best, and immediately suspect. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is "common sense" really valid? For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE7XCyS9HxQb37XmcRApZIAJ0b6BWxongL64jSPCvFRlj3tsSPYgCbBRU2 aYLOcneOCduDDY+ZdjLsPFM= =fDfx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ron Johnson wrote: Technically, yes. That's how the Constitution designed it. Practically, though, no. Citizens, dead people, and illegal immigrants vote for Electors who are pledged to vote for a specific candidate. So if the Electors suddenly decide to vote for candidate A while being pledged to vote for candidate B (maybe because their bank balance suddenly got increased by ,say, 10 mil dollars), then what happens ? does Candidate B become the president ? Has the people got no say in this ? -- Random Quotes From Megas XLR Coop: You see? The mysteries of the Universe are revealed when you break stuff. Jamie: When in doubt, blow up a planet. Kiva: It's an 80 foot robot, if we can't see it, absolutely it's not here. Glorft Technician: Unnecessary use of force in capturing the Earthers has been approved. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Paul Johnson wrote: > Wait, which are you referring to, the US or the UN? It's not clear, they > both > do... The UN and you disseminate. > Sure there is. Socialism allows for different political models, and in No, it doesn't. When the government gets into industry that is political as government is political, plain and simple. >> True, but in your case, that's valid. Same back at'cha. I've proven >> you wrong several times now. > When? Uh, gas prices ring a bell? Of course you didn't reply to that, you blindly skipped over it. Just like you go amazingly silent any time someone nails you with cold hard facts. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On Wednesday 23 August 2006 21:18, Steve Lamb wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > That's not true. The UN has a similarly negative view of our electoral > > college. > > So? Any non-elected group which caters to terrorism, has been proven > corrupt time and again and is against free speech is a group I should care > about how exactly? Wait, which are you referring to, the US or the UN? It's not clear, they both do... > > with leftover Joe McCarthy sympathizers that can't distinguish political > > models from economic ones). > > Really, there is no difference when you get down to it. Sure there is. Socialism allows for different political models, and in practice, the most popular being the British parliamentary system. Communism doesn't, but that's because communism in it's basest form demands a mutually cooperative anarchy, which I don't think anybody kids themselves into believing that can work on anything larger than an apple commune. > > By the way, contrary to the tone of your post, not all those who do not > > agree with your (extremely narrow) worldview are wrong. > > True, but in your case, that's valid. Same back at'cha. I've proven > you wrong several times now. When? -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp7Eyz7nqhrS.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)
Paul Johnson wrote: > That's not true. The UN has a similarly negative view of our electoral > college. So? Any non-elected group which caters to terrorism, has been proven corrupt time and again and is against free speech is a group I should care about how exactly? > with leftover Joe McCarthy sympathizers that can't distinguish political > models from economic ones). Really, there is no difference when you get down to it. > By the way, contrary to the tone of your post, not all those who do not agree > with your (extremely narrow) worldview are wrong. True, but in your case, that's valid. Same back at'cha. I've proven you wrong several times now. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Steve Lamb wrote: Steve Lamb wrote: Nevermind that he was impeached for lying under oath in an investigation Er, sorry, "Faced Impeachment" is what I meant. point of fact, like him or not he WAS impeached, just not found guilty. -- Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wednesday 23 August 2006 20:33, Ron Johnson wrote: > Citizens, dead people, and illegal immigrants vote for Electors who > are pledged to vote for a specific candidate. The EC isn't elected at all, it's appointed. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpL2llicflqJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Wednesday 23 August 2006 19:35, Mihira Fernando wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > ¹ For those not of US origin, the US has had an electoral college to > > decide it's soverign since it's inception, the popular vote for president > > is legally nonbinding in nearly all states: the electoral college can and > > does vote for whoever it wants. Out of a quarter billion people, only > > 538 appointed, not elected, people out of the entire country are allowed > > to have a binding vote for US president. So if you don't like the > > current president, you only have 538 people to blame, not the rest of us > > who had no non-violent method to have any say, pro or con, in the matter. > > Good god! so are the Presidential elections that are held in the US a > sham ?? does only 538 really decides who the president is ?? Yes, today they are. The electoral college as practiced in the US made far more sense back in 1776 when it was introduced. The intent of the EC is to make sure someone voting for president for a region 1) can count the local vote (optional) and 2) can read. Given the English literacy rate at 1776 in the US was well under 10%, and the English literacy rate today is 90+%, it's purpose is outdated by at least a century. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpigJrA0fO1w.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Wednesday 23 August 2006 19:58, Steve Lamb wrote: > > ¹ For those not of US origin, > > Ignore Paul as he slants his posts to cast the most negative light on > any non-socialist administration. Given this is a Capitalist society you > can imagine how flawed his information is. For a prime example see my post > about gas prices vs. his claims that Oregon's prices are far cheaper than > the states surrounding his. That's not true. The UN has a similarly negative view of our electoral college. > You mean to say that it is legally non-binding in an increasing few > states. As in all but 9? Whoop-de-doo. > > So if you don't like the current president, you only have > > 538 people to blame, not the rest of us who had no non-violent method to > > have any say, pro or con, in the matter. > > Sorry, doesn't work that way. Try again, Paul. Maybe if the Socialist > party fielded someone other than an extremist there would be an election > closer to your liking. But blaming the loss on anything other than the > horrible candidates they field is absurd. I'm not blaming my party's loss on the electoral college. God knows my party lost every election in my lifetime without the help of the EC (and more to do with leftover Joe McCarthy sympathizers that can't distinguish political models from economic ones). By the way, contrary to the tone of your post, not all those who do not agree with your (extremely narrow) worldview are wrong. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp1wRQDw80zI.pgp Description: PGP signature
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Lamb wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: [snip] > what you're failing to explain is that this is pretty much a formality any way > since the EC pretty much followed the popular vote of that state. There have > been extremely rare cases where that is not the case. The last one I know of > is in the '70s when one delegate voted for the Libertarian ticket instead of > the winner of the popular vote in that state. One delegate in one election is > hardly... One Democrat WV Elector voted for Lloyd Benston in 1988. Didn't come near to changing the results, though. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is "common sense" really valid? For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE7R7jS9HxQb37XmcRAuCRAJsEcvaRVa+u37XzOoCX3x+8x8EOqgCfYuAv qDPinytBLJelsjS+RQ3MADo= =JfTn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mihira Fernando wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > >> >> ¹ For those not of US origin, the US has had an electoral college to >> decide it's soverign since it's inception, the popular vote for >> president is legally nonbinding in nearly all states: the electoral >> college can and does vote for whoever it wants. Out of a quarter >> billion people, only 538 appointed, not elected, people out of the >> entire country are allowed to have a binding vote for US president. >> So if you don't like the current president, you only have 538 people >> to blame, not the rest of us who had no non-violent method to have any >> say, pro or con, in the matter. > > Good god! so are the Presidential elections that are held in the US a > sham ?? does only 538 really decides who the president is ?? Technically, yes. That's how the Constitution designed it. Practically, though, no. Citizens, dead people, and illegal immigrants vote for Electors who are pledged to vote for a specific candidate. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is "common sense" really valid? For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE7R4WS9HxQb37XmcRAhmAAJ0RabdLuSI2+aYW6qMC7kUCPOQHOACfSyVO 1t1s5r+RSVncLy360XGrgyU= =gUDJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Steve Lamb wrote: > Nevermind that he was impeached for lying under oath in an investigation Er, sorry, "Faced Impeachment" is what I meant. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)
Paul Johnson wrote: > I don't agree with Jacques Chirac, I disagree with the Republican Party, So do I, don't see me wanting to slap everyone else down for it, do you? Certainly don't see me revising history to fit my own illusional worldview. > college crap-shoot, which has resulted in hugely unfavorable results in my > lifetime with Clinton's second term (lost the popular, won the EC) and both > terms of George Bush (lost the popular, lost the EC, won the supreme court). Bush won the EC both times. I don't like it any more than you do. I certainly didn't vote for him. But when you take the blinders off you see the media is painting a partial picture to fit their goals. > and the successful impeachment and attempted conviction of Clinton for doing > a White House intern (never mind some of his best work was done while boning > said intern) Nevermind that he was impeached for lying under oath in an investigation for which he was suspect of breaking some of the very same laws *HE SIGNED INTO LAW*. Somehow I doubt that you're saying the President is above the law, are you? > ¹ For those not of US origin, Ignore Paul as he slants his posts to cast the most negative light on any non-socialist administration. Given this is a Capitalist society you can imagine how flawed his information is. For a prime example see my post about gas prices vs. his claims that Oregon's prices are far cheaper than the states surrounding his. > the US has had an electoral college to decide > it's soverign since it's inception, the popular vote for president is legally > nonbinding in nearly all states: You mean to say that it is legally non-binding in an increasing few states. More and more states are, indeed, binding the EC votes to the popular vote. Some are going so far as to ensure that it isn't a winner-takes-all. Get 30% of the popular vote, get 30% of the EC votes, not 0%. Furthermore what you're failing to explain is that this is pretty much a formality any way since the EC pretty much followed the popular vote of that state. There have been extremely rare cases where that is not the case. The last one I know of is in the '70s when one delegate voted for the Libertarian ticket instead of the winner of the popular vote in that state. One delegate in one election is hardly... > the electoral college can and does vote for whoever it wants. ...the situation you described. In fact if any EC did go against the popular vote you can be assured that there would be tons of measures on the next ballot, that would pass, binding the EC to the popular vote in one form or another. > So if you don't like the current president, you only have > 538 people to blame, not the rest of us who had no non-violent method to have > any say, pro or con, in the matter. Sorry, doesn't work that way. Try again, Paul. Maybe if the Socialist party fielded someone other than an extremist there would be an election closer to your liking. But blaming the loss on anything other than the horrible candidates they field is absurd. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)
On Wednesday 23 August 2006 19:35, Ron Johnson wrote: > Spammers are a tiny group of people, and the ISPs who allow spam are > also run by a small number of people. Likewise, many people don't hold harmless anybody in California for the power crisis, as all of their elected officials unanimously passed the electricity price deregulation for themselves, then screw their neighbors by not paying for said electric they said they would pay for at any price. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpBPi7Uc3yDa.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Johnson wrote: > On Wednesday 23 August 2006 18:35, Marc Shapiro wrote: > >> I'm not sure what you're trying to say with this post. I never said >> that you, or any of the rest of us from the U.S. should be shameful of >> our country. I also don't think that Brazilians need to be shameful of >> THEIR country. I DO think that you should not be slamming INDIVIDUAL >> Brazilians for what you PERCEIVE of the Brazilian NETWORKS. > > Well, can you blame the perspective at all? If your only contact, to date, > with Brazil or Brazilians, is via spam, would you expect that person's > perception of Brazil and it's people be positive? Spam is a PR and tourism > issue that governments should be aware of as much as any other diplomatic > factor. Sure I can. Spammers are a tiny group of people, and the ISPs who allow spam are also run by a small number of people. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is "common sense" really valid? For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE7RBrS9HxQb37XmcRAtdFAJ0WCs0JaXLONI5OebXi9P938gn6+QCdFe0W 4q08EGD+mDVhkFxlH2h1LWg= =NfFA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)
Paul Johnson wrote: ¹ For those not of US origin, the US has had an electoral college to decide it's soverign since it's inception, the popular vote for president is legally nonbinding in nearly all states: the electoral college can and does vote for whoever it wants. Out of a quarter billion people, only 538 appointed, not elected, people out of the entire country are allowed to have a binding vote for US president. So if you don't like the current president, you only have 538 people to blame, not the rest of us who had no non-violent method to have any say, pro or con, in the matter. Good god! so are the Presidential elections that are held in the US a sham ?? does only 538 really decides who the president is ?? Ace. -- Random Quotes From Megas XLR Coop: You see? The mysteries of the Universe are revealed when you break stuff. Jamie: When in doubt, blow up a planet. Kiva: It's an 80 foot robot, if we can't see it, absolutely it's not here. Glorft Technician: Unnecessary use of force in capturing the Earthers has been approved. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
