Re: Reports of boot failure after installing linux-image-5.10.0-19-amd64, on machines with AMD graphics

[Felix Miata]

David composed on 2022-10-19 18:40 (UTC-0400):

> Just a general warning, for anyone who has not noticed, that
> installing the latest kernel (linux-image-5.10.0-19-amd64) on a
> machine with AMD graphics is causing numerous people to
> report boot failures:

> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1022025

My comment that follows I posted to bug 1022025.

> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1022042
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1022051

Problem confirmed here. Booting prior kernel works fine:
# xdriinfo
Screen 0: radeonsi
# pinxi -C --vs
pinxi 3.3.22-08 (2022-10-18)
CPU:
  Info: quad core model: AMD A10-7850K Radeon R7 12 Compute Cores 4C+8G
bits: 64 type: MT MCP cache: L2: 4 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 1700 min/max: 1700/3700 cores: 1: 1700 2: 1700 3: 1700
4: 1700
# pinxi -GSaz
System:
  Kernel: 5.10.0-14-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 10.2.1
parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz.old root=LABEL= noresume
ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 mitigations=auto consoleblank=0
radeon.cik_support=0 amdgpu.cik_support=1 video=1440x900@60 5
  Desktop: Trinity v: R14.0.13 tk: Qt v: 3.5.0 info: kicker wm: Twin v: 3.0
vt: 7 dm: 1: TDM 2: XDM Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
Graphics:
  Device-1: AMD Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics] vendor: ASRock driver: amdgpu
v: kernel alternate: radeon arch: GCN-2 code: Sea Islands
process: GF/TSMC 16-28nm built: 2013-17 ports:
active: DP-1,DVI-D-1,HDMI-A-1 empty: VGA-1 bus-ID: 00:01.0
chip-ID: 1002:130f class-ID: 0300
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu
dri: radeonsi gpu: amdgpu display-ID: :0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 3600x2640 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 762x558mm (30.00x21.97")
s-diag: 944mm (37.18")
  Monitor-1: DVI-D-1 mapped: DVI-D-0 pos: top-left model: NEC EA243WM
serial:  built: 2011 res: 1920x1200 hz: 60 dpi: 94 gamma: 1.2
size: 519x324mm (20.43x12.76") diag: 612mm (24.1") ratio: 16:10 modes:
max: 1920x1200 min: 640x480
  Monitor-2: DP-1 mapped: DisplayPort-0 pos: primary,bottom-l
model: Acer K272HUL serial:  built: 2018 res: 2560x1440 hz: 60
dpi: 109 gamma: 1.2 size: 598x336mm (23.54x13.23") diag: 686mm (27")
ratio: 16:9 modes: max: 2560x1440 min: 720x400
  Monitor-3: HDMI-A-1 mapped: HDMI-A-0 pos: top-right model: Dell P2213
serial:  built: 2012 res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 90 gamma: 1.2
size: 473x296mm (18.62x11.65") diag: 558mm (22") ratio: 16:10 modes:
max: 1680x1050 min: 720x400
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 20.3.5 renderer: AMD KAVERI (DRM 3.40.0
5.10.0-14-amd64 LLVM 11.0.1) direct render: Yes

Booting is not prevented with radeon.cik_support=1 amdgpu.cik_support=0 instead 
of
radeon.cik_support=0 amdgpu.cik_support=1 on Grub linu line, but X doesn't 
start.
https://paste.debian.net/plain/1257669 and 
https://paste.debian.net/plain/1257670
are Xorg.0.log from booting with none of those boot parameters, the latter from
attempting to force use of the modesetting DIX display driver via
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/.

https://paste.debian.net/plain/1257668 is last 100 lines of journal from attempt
to boot normally with 5.10.0-19 and radeon.cik_support=0 amdgpu.cik_support=1.
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Re: Reports of boot failure after installing linux-image-5.10.0-19-amd64, on machines with AMD graphics

[Dan Ritter]

David wrote: 
> Hello list,
> 
> Just a general warning, for anyone who has not noticed, that
> installing the latest kernel (linux-image-5.10.0-19-amd64) on a
> machine with AMD graphics is causing numerous people to
> report boot failures:
> 
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1022025
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1022042
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1022051


Thanks!

By pure chance, I have only updated machines without amdgpu
graphics so far. Looks like you've saved me some panic.

-dsr-

Reports of boot failure after installing linux-image-5.10.0-19-amd64, on machines with AMD graphics

[David]

Hello list,

Just a general warning, for anyone who has not noticed, that
installing the latest kernel (linux-image-5.10.0-19-amd64) on a
machine with AMD graphics is causing numerous people to
report boot failures:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1022025
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1022042
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1022051

Re: installing Linux debian

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 12:53:02PM +, jair wey wrote:
> Hello , Debian support
> 
> i installed parrot os and later kali Linux on my usb
> 
> when running it  I get booted into the busybox ‘smbus is busy cant use it”
> I tried looking for answers googling it but nothing of the solution worked
> 
> What should I do to solve this problem
> Should I also provide screenshots?
> 
> Thank you.
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>

Hello,

If this isn't effectively Debian but either Parrot OS or Kali, I respectfully
suggest that you ask them. It's quite possible that there's a problem with
the way that the image has been written to the USB stick or that the 
machine is not booting for some other reason but we can't really help.

Other Debian-derived distributions may do things very differently and it
is likely that we will only be able to guess at solutions.

If this also occurs with Debian or is a sufficiently generic problem that
it always occurs, then we may be able to give better advice.

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater 

installing Linux debian

[jair wey]

Hello , Debian support

i installed parrot os and later kali Linux on my usb

when running it  I get booted into the busybox ‘smbus is busy cant use it”
I tried looking for answers googling it but nothing of the solution worked

What should I do to solve this problem
Should I also provide screenshots?

Thank you.
Sent from Mail for Windows

Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX

[Brian Sammon]

On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 13:25:37 -0500
Brian Sammon  wrote:

> I was recently given a Mac Mini (Intel Mid 2007) that had been wiped.
...
> Is there a way to install Debian/Linux on this machine that doesn't involve 
> buying or borrowing (or "borrowing") a copy of OSX?  Is it easier to install 
> linux on a USB disk and run it off of that?

As a followup, I got Linux installed on it, but not (quite) Debian.
I burned a CD of the Ubuntu Trusty "+mac" image.  It booted and installed Linux 
and Grub successfully on the first try.
Some things I noticed:
  It used version 2.02 of grub, which is newer than that used in the Wheezy I
  tried.
  The Ubuntu installer (somewhat strongly) encouraged me to create a
  "Reserved BIOS boot area" partition.  I followed that advice.
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that most/all of the features that helped with 
Trusty are also found in Jessie.

Now that I have a bootloader installed, I think I'll have more success 
installing Debian on it.

> Two particular subtasks that I may need to do that seem to require OSX:
> 1) "Blessing" a partition

Recent versions of GRUB come with a "grub_macbless" command, but I haven't 
tested it.

> 2) Checking what version of firmware it has (some versions have BIOS
>compatibility)

The Boot CD for rEFInd (http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/) reported a firmware 
version number, but it was a very different format from the firmware versions 
on Apple's site.
For upgrading firmware without MacOSX, the "Firmware Restoration CD" might be 
the thing: http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201518
This was apparently moot for my Mac Mini, as Apple's website doesn't list any 
available firmware updates for my model.


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Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX

[Andreas Weber]

On 2014-12-05 19:18, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>>> To the best of my knowledge, the Mac Mini you've got *is* EFI
>>> capable, but doesn't work in quite the way we'd normally expect.

IIRC Apple's EFI is (was) not exactly what now is known as UEFI
"standard". None of my Mac Minis did work with the Debian installer out
of the box until now.

> In the meantime, I'd try some of the other options people have
> pointed you at maybe. Sorry I can't help you immediately. :-/
> 
>> I don't have any plans to run non-opensource software.

The best working setup so far for me was to

- keep OS X installed
- use rEFIt (now rEFInd)
- install Debian in addition

Why so? Firmware upgrades are only delivered via OS X Updates. It rarely
happens, but it does. So if you want them, keep the original OS installed.

BTW all of my Intel Minis support Yosemite withouth problems.

HTH, ändu


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Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX

[Ric Moore]

On 12/05/2014 10:55 AM, Brian Sammon wrote:

On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 14:51:11 +
Steve McIntyre  wrote:


Hi Brian,

You might be in luck - I'm looking into installer stuff right now and
I've literally just got an Intel Mac Mini like yours last night to
play with. To the best of my knowledge, the Mac Mini you've got *is*
EFI capable, but doesn't work in quite the way we'd normally expect.

To confirm that, could you try the wheezy installer CD again for me
please?


It hasn't come up yet in this thread, but I just noticed that the CD
I've been using is labeled (by me) "7.0.0 i386".  I should probably get
a more recent version.
A related question: i386 or amd64?  Do you have a
recommendation/preference?


If you have 4 gigs of ram or better then amd64 would be the best from my 
experience, depending on CPU. :) Ric



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Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX

[Steve McIntyre]

Brian wrote:
>On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 14:51:11 +
>Steve McIntyre  wrote:
>
>> Hi Brian,
>> 
>> You might be in luck - I'm looking into installer stuff right now and
>> I've literally just got an Intel Mac Mini like yours last night to
>> play with. To the best of my knowledge, the Mac Mini you've got *is*
>> EFI capable, but doesn't work in quite the way we'd normally expect.
>> 
>> To confirm that, could you try the wheezy installer CD again for me 
>> please?
>
>It hasn't come up yet in this thread, but I just noticed that the CD
>I've been using is labeled (by me) "7.0.0 i386".  I should probably get
>a more recent version.
>A related question: i386 or amd64?  Do you have a
>recommendation/preference?

Ah, that says it all, in fact - if you've been using an i386 CD then
you must have been using BIOS-mode stuff. There's no EFI support on
Debian's Wheezy i386 CDs.

I'm going to be making that work for Jessie Real Soon Now, with some
hacking planned for this weekend. In the meantime, I'd try some of the
other options people have pointed you at maybe. Sorry I can't help you
immediately. :-/

>I don't have any plans to run non-opensource software.

ACK.

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Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX

[Brian Sammon]

On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 14:51:11 +
Steve McIntyre  wrote:

> Hi Brian,
> 
> You might be in luck - I'm looking into installer stuff right now and
> I've literally just got an Intel Mac Mini like yours last night to
> play with. To the best of my knowledge, the Mac Mini you've got *is*
> EFI capable, but doesn't work in quite the way we'd normally expect.
> 
> To confirm that, could you try the wheezy installer CD again for me 
> please?

It hasn't come up yet in this thread, but I just noticed that the CD
I've been using is labeled (by me) "7.0.0 i386".  I should probably get
a more recent version.
A related question: i386 or amd64?  Do you have a
recommendation/preference?

I don't have any plans to run non-opensource software.


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Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX

[Steve McIntyre]

Brian wrote:
>I was recently given a Mac Mini (Intel Mid 2007) that had been wiped.
>
>I tried to install Debian (Wheezy) on it, and the installer reported success, 
>but 
>when it came time to eject and reboot, Debian didn't boot from the hard drive.
>
>Googling finds me various pages about installing Linux where one of
>the steps is something like "Boot into OSX"
>
>Is there a way to install Debian/Linux on this machine that doesn't
>involve buying or borrowing (or "borrowing") a copy of OSX?  Is it
>easier to install linux on a USB disk and run it off of that?
>
>Two particular subtasks that I may need to do that seem to require OSX:
>1) "Blessing" a partition
>2) Checking what version of firmware it has (some versions have BIOS
>   compatibility)
>
>Any pointers/suggestions?

Hi Brian,

You might be in luck - I'm looking into installer stuff right now and
I've literally just got an Intel Mac Mini like yours last night to
play with. To the best of my knowledge, the Mac Mini you've got *is*
EFI capable, but doesn't work in quite the way we'd normally expect.

To confirm that, could you try the wheezy installer CD again for me please?

If it has booted in BIOS mode, it should look like

  http://www.einval.com/~steve/images/installer-bios.png

If it has booted in UEFI mode, it should look like

  http://www.einval.com/~steve/images/installer-efi.png

(note the different font, the word "UEFI" and the GRUB command line
mentioned at the bottom). 

Which of these does it look like, please?

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Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX

[Georgi Naplatanov]

On 12/05/2014 08:32 AM, Brian Sammon wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 21:39:08 -0800
> Jimmy Johnson  wrote:
> 
>> As mentioned earlier, your machine is currently not using EFI.
> 
> I missed that -- and how do I know that for sure?

If the Debian installer has installed grub-pc(-*) package then the
installer has recognized the system as BIOS compatible, if the installer
has installed grub-efi(-*) package then the installer has recognized
your system as EFI compatible.

If you could start Debian installer, then you can start the installer in
rescue mode and you can mount all partitions you have created during the
installation process and see what packages the installer has installed.

> Is it possible that it's trying to use EFI, but my debian install is trying 
> to do something not-EFI-compatible, and that's why it won't boot?

HTH

Kind regards
Georgi


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Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX

[Brian Sammon]

On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 21:39:08 -0800
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

> As mentioned earlier, your machine is currently not using EFI.

I missed that -- and how do I know that for sure?

Is it possible that it's trying to use EFI, but my debian install is trying to 
do something not-EFI-compatible, and that's why it won't boot?


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Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 12/04/2014 09:25 PM, Brian Sammon wrote:

On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 20:34:22 -0800
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:


Installing to the MBR should fix your booting problems.


This brings to mind another question/issue:  I need to
educate myself on how MBRs work on EFI machines.
Questions such as:
When it says it's installing Grub to the MBR, is it
really installing it to an MBR, or is it installing it
to EFI's alternative to an MBR?

Any suggested reading?



As mentioned earlier, your machine is currently not using EFI.

In your case grub will be installed to the MBR of sda/sda1
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Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX

[Brian Sammon]

On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 20:34:22 -0800
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

> Installing to the MBR should fix your booting problems.

This brings to mind another question/issue:  I need to educate myself on how 
MBRs work on EFI machines.
Questions such as:
When it says it's installing Grub to the MBR, is it really installing it to an 
MBR, or is it installing it to EFI's alternative to an MBR?

Any suggested reading?


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Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 12/04/2014 01:29 PM, Brian Sammon wrote:> On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 
14:46:09 -0500

> Stefan Monnier  wrote:
>
>>> I was recently given a Mac Mini (Intel Mid 2007) that had been wiped.
>>> I tried to install Debian (Wheezy) on it, and the installer reported
>>> success, but  when it came time to eject and reboot, Debian didn't
>>> boot from the hard drive.
>> [...]
>>> Is there a way to install Debian/Linux on this machine that doesn't 
involve

>>> buying or borrowing (or "borrowing") a copy of OSX?
>>
>> If you managed to boot a plain-normal Debian CDROM installer, then your
>> machine's firmware has full BIOS support and you can boot a plain-normal
>> Debian install on the harddisk as well, as if the machine were
>> a normal PC.
>
> Hmm... I was able to boot a plain-normal (I assume it is) Debian 
CDROM installer,
> but now I can't boot the plain-normal (I assume) Debian install that 
the installer

> said it installed.
>
> The two questions I have:
> Can I still assume that I have the firmware version that I want?
> What do I do next to troubleshoot/fix this?
>
> Another random question:
> The installer gave me the choice of installing Grub on the partition 
or on the

> Master Boot Record.  Which of these should I choose?


Installing to the MBR should fix your booting problems.
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Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX

[Brian Sammon]

On Fri, 5 Dec 2014 08:01:48 +0900
Joel Rees  wrote:
> Can we conclude that you have read this page
> 
> https://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel

I have read this page, and I'm hoping to add a "If you don't have OSX" section 
to it, once I figure out what to add.

> and followed appropriate links, such as the elilo link? (Even the PPC

I'm not sure which links are appropriate, so it's quite possible that I missed 
one.  I got the impression from the MacMiniIntel page that the elilo approach 
was a suboptimal one, so I've not looked into it much, as I'm hoping there's a 
approach that works better (than the MacMiniIntel page suggests the elilo 
approach would)

> link may be useful for background.)
> 
> You will probably have to interpret some things, and not expect an exact 
> recipe.
> 
> You may also want to ask on the debian boot list.

Thanks, I'll look into it.

> And, Jerome's kidding around notwithstanding, questions over at
> puredarwin are likely to yield useful information, if it takes going
> that far.

Yeah, that's on the todo list.


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Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX

[Joel Rees]

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:25 AM, Brian Sammon
 wrote:
> I was recently given a Mac Mini (Intel Mid 2007) that had been wiped.
>
> I tried to install Debian (Wheezy) on it, and the installer reported success, 
> but
> when it came time to eject and reboot, Debian didn't boot from the hard drive.
>
> Googling finds me various pages about installing Linux where one of the steps 
> is something like "Boot into OSX"
>
> Is there a way to install Debian/Linux on this machine that doesn't involve 
> buying or borrowing (or "borrowing") a copy of OSX?  Is it easier to install 
> linux on a USB disk and run it off of that?
>
> Two particular subtasks that I may need to do that seem to require OSX:
> 1) "Blessing" a partition
> 2) Checking what version of firmware it has (some versions have BIOS
>compatibility)
>
> Any pointers/suggestions?
>
> I'm also looking into PureDarwin as a possible solution.

Can we conclude that you have read this page

https://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel

and followed appropriate links, such as the elilo link? (Even the PPC
link may be useful for background.)

You will probably have to interpret some things, and not expect an exact recipe.

You may also want to ask on the debian boot list.

And, Jerome's kidding around notwithstanding, questions over at
puredarwin are likely to yield useful information, if it takes going
that far.

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Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX

[Ric Moore]

On 12/04/2014 04:29 PM, Brian Sammon wrote:

On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:46:09 -0500
Stefan Monnier  wrote:


I was recently given a Mac Mini (Intel Mid 2007) that had been wiped.
I tried to install Debian (Wheezy) on it, and the installer reported
success, but  when it came time to eject and reboot, Debian didn't
boot from the hard drive.

[...]

Is there a way to install Debian/Linux on this machine that doesn't involve
buying or borrowing (or "borrowing") a copy of OSX?


If you managed to boot a plain-normal Debian CDROM installer, then your
machine's firmware has full BIOS support and you can boot a plain-normal
Debian install on the harddisk as well, as if the machine were
a normal PC.


Hmm... I was able to boot a plain-normal (I assume it is) Debian CDROM 
installer, but now I can't boot the plain-normal (I assume) Debian install that 
the installer said it installed.

The two questions I have:
Can I still assume that I have the firmware version that I want?
What do I do next to troubleshoot/fix this?

Another random question:
The installer gave me the choice of installing Grub on the partition or on the 
Master Boot Record.  Which of these should I choose?


If possible the normal route would be to the MBR. If you can boot from 
the CD install disk to a live session as root in a terminal window:

grub-install /dev/sda
update-grub
... I ~think~ will do the trick. I'd check this link out first though:
http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24113.html
One of the above methods should get grub set correctly. Good Luck! Ric


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Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX

[Brian Sammon]

On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:46:09 -0500
Stefan Monnier  wrote:

> > I was recently given a Mac Mini (Intel Mid 2007) that had been wiped.
> > I tried to install Debian (Wheezy) on it, and the installer reported
> > success, but  when it came time to eject and reboot, Debian didn't
> > boot from the hard drive.
> [...]
> > Is there a way to install Debian/Linux on this machine that doesn't involve
> > buying or borrowing (or "borrowing") a copy of OSX?
> 
> If you managed to boot a plain-normal Debian CDROM installer, then your
> machine's firmware has full BIOS support and you can boot a plain-normal
> Debian install on the harddisk as well, as if the machine were
> a normal PC.

Hmm... I was able to boot a plain-normal (I assume it is) Debian CDROM 
installer, but now I can't boot the plain-normal (I assume) Debian install that 
the installer said it installed.

The two questions I have:
Can I still assume that I have the firmware version that I want?
What do I do next to troubleshoot/fix this?

Another random question:
The installer gave me the choice of installing Grub on the partition or on the 
Master Boot Record.  Which of these should I choose?


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Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX

[Brian Sammon]

On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 19:46:22 +0100
Jerome BENOIT  wrote:

> > Two particular subtasks that I may need to do that seem to require
> > OSX: 1) "Blessing" a partition 2) Checking what version of firmware
> > it has (some versions have BIOS compatibility)
> > 
> > Any pointers/suggestions?
> 
> I will look towards a grub issue, specially if your partition is a gpt 
> partition table.
> For a gpt partition table, you must have a `bios grub' partition. 
> 
> > I'm also looking into PureDarwin as a possible solution.
> > 
> Debian is definitely better, do not trust the folks on the PureDarwin forums.

Ouch.

I have not seen any extravagant claims on behalf of PureDarwin.  Mostly just 
apologetic caveats that it's not quite yet ready for primetime.

In any case my interest in PureDarwin was primarily that it might have a 
"bless" command and/or a way to query the firmware version.

However, other messages in this thread suggest that neither of those two things 
are completely necessary.


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Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX

[Jerome BENOIT]

On 04/12/14 21:30, Brian Sammon wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 19:46:22 +0100
> Jerome BENOIT  wrote:
> 
>>> Two particular subtasks that I may need to do that seem to require
>>> OSX: 1) "Blessing" a partition 2) Checking what version of firmware
>>> it has (some versions have BIOS compatibility)
>>>
>>> Any pointers/suggestions?
>>
>> I will look towards a grub issue, specially if your partition is a gpt 
>> partition table.
>> For a gpt partition table, you must have a `bios grub' partition. 
>>
>>> I'm also looking into PureDarwin as a possible solution.
>>>
>> Debian is definitely better, do not trust the folks on the PureDarwin forums.
I was just kidding.
> 
> Ouch.
> 
> I have not seen any extravagant claims on behalf of PureDarwin.  Mostly just 
> apologetic caveats that it's not quite yet ready for primetime.
> 
> In any case, my interest in PureDarwin was primarily that it might have a 
> "bless" command and/or a way to query the firmware version.
> Other messages in this thread suggest that neither of these two things may be 
> fully necessary.

True.


Jerome
> 
> 


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Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX

[Brian Sammon]

On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 19:46:22 +0100
Jerome BENOIT  wrote:

> > Two particular subtasks that I may need to do that seem to require
> > OSX: 1) "Blessing" a partition 2) Checking what version of firmware
> > it has (some versions have BIOS compatibility)
> > 
> > Any pointers/suggestions?
> 
> I will look towards a grub issue, specially if your partition is a gpt 
> partition table.
> For a gpt partition table, you must have a `bios grub' partition. 
> 
> > I'm also looking into PureDarwin as a possible solution.
> > 
> Debian is definitely better, do not trust the folks on the PureDarwin forums.

Ouch.

I have not seen any extravagant claims on behalf of PureDarwin.  Mostly just 
apologetic caveats that it's not quite yet ready for primetime.

In any case, my interest in PureDarwin was primarily that it might have a 
"bless" command and/or a way to query the firmware version.
Other messages in this thread suggest that neither of these two things may be 
fully necessary.


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Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX

[Stefan Monnier]

> I was recently given a Mac Mini (Intel Mid 2007) that had been wiped.
> I tried to install Debian (Wheezy) on it, and the installer reported
> success, but  when it came time to eject and reboot, Debian didn't
> boot from the hard drive.
[...]
> Is there a way to install Debian/Linux on this machine that doesn't involve
> buying or borrowing (or "borrowing") a copy of OSX?

If you managed to boot a plain-normal Debian CDROM installer, then your
machine's firmware has full BIOS support and you can boot a plain-normal
Debian install on the harddisk as well, as if the machine were
a normal PC.

> Is it easier to install linux on a USB disk and run it off of that?

Nope.  Most of the Apple machines of that time are simply unable to boot
from USB unless you're using an EFI boot.

> Two particular subtasks that I may need to do that seem to require OSX:
> 1) "Blessing" a partition

AFAIK the only tool for that is `hfspbless' which is not widely
distributed, but if you look hard enough you should be able to find it.

See also https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=427492.

Note that this is only need if you want to boot via EFI rather than via
the BIOS.

> 2) Checking what version of firmware it has (some versions have BIOS
>compatibility)

Indeed, the BIOS compatibility was not available in earlier machines's
firmware (tho available as a firmware upgrade).  But since you seem to
have booted Debian's installer, it seems your firmware is already able
to handle BIOS.

One more detail: IIUC when booted via EFI your machine's video hardware
might not be initialized the way Linux and Xorg expect it to be, so Xorg
may fail to start (at least that's the case for my Mac Mini of around
2006).  You can fix that by adding some commands in the grub.cfg
(assuming you use grub-efi) which preload some vesa-bios to your video
hardware (something like "loadbios /boot/vbios.bin /boot/int10.bin" tho
you also need to put those corresponding files in your boot partition).


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Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX

[Jon Leonard]

On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 01:25:37PM -0500, Brian Sammon wrote:
> I was recently given a Mac Mini (Intel Mid 2007) that had been wiped.
> 
> I tried to install Debian (Wheezy) on it, and the installer reported success, 
> but 
> when it came time to eject and reboot, Debian didn't boot from the hard drive.
> 
> Googling finds me various pages about installing Linux where one of the steps 
> is something like "Boot into OSX"
> 
> Is there a way to install Debian/Linux on this machine that doesn't involve 
> buying or borrowing (or "borrowing") a copy of OSX?  Is it easier to install 
> linux on a USB disk and run it off of that?
> 
> Two particular subtasks that I may need to do that seem to require OSX:
> 1) "Blessing" a partition
> 2) Checking what version of firmware it has (some versions have BIOS
>compatibility)
> 
> Any pointers/suggestions?

I saw similar behavior installing on more recent Mac Minis.  There, the issue
was that the Mac firmware's idea of the boot sequence didn't match Debian's.

I wound up solving this by installing rEFInd (from
http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/
) , though not always the same way.  You'd presumably need to install it
to the EFI partition if you don't have a Mac partition.  I think it's also
possible to get Grub or even the Linux Kernel set up to boot as the EFI
loader, but I stopped trying that after I got booting to work reliably.

It should be possible to boot the Debian installer in rescue mode, get a
shell, and do the install from there.

Jon Leonard

> I'm also looking into PureDarwin as a possible solution.
> 
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Re: Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX

[Jerome BENOIT]

Hello,

On 04/12/14 19:25, Brian Sammon wrote:
> I was recently given a Mac Mini (Intel Mid 2007) that had been
> wiped.
> 
> I tried to install Debian (Wheezy) on it, and the installer reported
> success, but when it came time to eject and reboot, Debian didn't
> boot from the hard drive.

I would consider eject as a comfort at this stage.
The reboot issue is the real issue here.

> 
> Googling finds me various pages about installing Linux where one of
> the steps is something like "Boot into OSX"

If you do not want a dual boot computer, forget this part and consider your box 
as
a regular box.

> 
> Is there a way to install Debian/Linux on this machine that doesn't
> involve buying or borrowing (or "borrowing") a copy of OSX? 

Take care as this model may be not be supported by last OS X.
You do not need it.

 Is it
> easier to install linux on a USB disk and run it off of that?
> 
> Two particular subtasks that I may need to do that seem to require
> OSX: 1) "Blessing" a partition 2) Checking what version of firmware
> it has (some versions have BIOS compatibility)
> 
> Any pointers/suggestions?

I will look towards a grub issue, specially if your partition is a gpt 
partition table.
For a gpt partition table, you must have a `bios grub' partition. 


> 
> I'm also looking into PureDarwin as a possible solution.
> 
Debian is definitely better, do not trust the folks on the PureDarwin forums.

Best wishes,
Jerome

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Installing Linux on a Mac Mini without OSX

[Brian Sammon]

I was recently given a Mac Mini (Intel Mid 2007) that had been wiped.

I tried to install Debian (Wheezy) on it, and the installer reported success, 
but 
when it came time to eject and reboot, Debian didn't boot from the hard drive.

Googling finds me various pages about installing Linux where one of the steps 
is something like "Boot into OSX"

Is there a way to install Debian/Linux on this machine that doesn't involve 
buying or borrowing (or "borrowing") a copy of OSX?  Is it easier to install 
linux on a USB disk and run it off of that?

Two particular subtasks that I may need to do that seem to require OSX:
1) "Blessing" a partition
2) Checking what version of firmware it has (some versions have BIOS
   compatibility)

Any pointers/suggestions?

I'm also looking into PureDarwin as a possible solution.


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Re: Question regarding swap partition when installing Linux Mint Debian.

[Gilles Mocellin]

Le 03/02/2014 12:50, Chen Wei a écrit :

On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 02:38:16AM -0800, Rick Thomas wrote:

For example, if you decide to put /tmp in a ramdisk, you may want to
allocate a swap partition that's much larger than your RAM as backup
in case somebody needs *lots* of space in /tmp.

+1 for the /tmp example.


My personal rule of thumb is, "Start with twice your RAM and adjust
from there depending on experience."

How about use a swapfile? Given the large RAM today, allocate dozens
gigabytes of swap partition that rarely used seems a waste. Besides, it
is easier to change the size of a swapfile than size of a swap
partition.


You can automate the management of a swap file with swapspace :

Description : dynamic swap space manager
 Small, stable system add-on that continuously and automatically adapts 
available virtual memory space to your actual memory needs. Claims disk 
space for use as
 swap space when needed; frees it up for use by the filesystem when not 
needed.

Site : http://pqxx.org/development/swapspace

With 8 or even now 16GB of RAM, I reallly don't need swap. Most of the time.


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Re: Question regarding swap partition when installing Linux Mint Debian.

[Scott Ferguson]

On 03/02/14 23:48, Chen Wei wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 11:03:19PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> As long as the swap file is not sparse.
>>
> 
> Tried *fallocate* to create swapfile then swapon report error, something
> like:
> 
> swapon: /path2swapfile : swapon failed: Invalid argument
> fallocate -l 512M /swapfile
> Only figured it out several cups of tea and google-fu later that it was
> indeed a sparse problem. Strangely enough the partition is newly created,
> formated as xfs, and has over 300G free space on it. 


> dd is the solution.


fallocate is faster.

e.g.:-
xfs_fsr followed by
fallocate -l 1G /pathwswapfile

(don't take that as gospel, I rarely use xfs).


don't forget to chmod 600


Kind regards



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Re: Question regarding swap partition when installing Linux Mint Debian.

[Chen Wei]

On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 11:03:19PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> As long as the swap file is not sparse.
> 

Tried *fallocate* to create swapfile then swapon report error, something
like:

swapon: /path2swapfile : swapon failed: Invalid argument

Only figured it out several cups of tea and google-fu later that it was
indeed a sparse problem. Strangely enough the partition is newly created,
formated as xfs, and has over 300G free space on it. dd is the solution.



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Re: Question regarding swap partition when installing Linux Mint Debian.

[Nuno Magalhães]

On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Chen Wei  wrote:
> Besides, it
> is easier to change the size of a swapfile than size of a swap
> partition.

How about with LVM?

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Re: Question regarding swap partition when installing Linux Mint Debian.

[Scott Ferguson]

On 03/02/14 22:50, Chen Wei wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 02:38:16AM -0800, Rick Thomas wrote:
>> For example, if you decide to put /tmp in a ramdisk, you may want to
>> allocate a swap partition that's much larger than your RAM as backup
>> in case somebody needs *lots* of space in /tmp.
> 
> +1 for the /tmp example.
> 
>> My personal rule of thumb is, "Start with twice your RAM and adjust
>> from there depending on experience."
> 
> How about use a swapfile? 

Good idea. As long as the swap file is not sparse.




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Re: Question regarding swap partition when installing Linux Mint Debian.

[Chen Wei]

On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 02:38:16AM -0800, Rick Thomas wrote:
> For example, if you decide to put /tmp in a ramdisk, you may want to
> allocate a swap partition that's much larger than your RAM as backup
> in case somebody needs *lots* of space in /tmp.

+1 for the /tmp example.

> My personal rule of thumb is, "Start with twice your RAM and adjust
> from there depending on experience."

How about use a swapfile? Given the large RAM today, allocate dozens
gigabytes of swap partition that rarely used seems a waste. Besides, it
is easier to change the size of a swapfile than size of a swap
partition.





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Re: Question regarding swap partition when installing Linux Mint Debian.

[Nuno Magalhães]

On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Rick Thomas  wrote:
> There is logic for having at least as much swap as you have RAM (in other 
> words, a multiplier of 1.0) because, when the system panics, it may want to 
> make a copy of RAM to the swap space for later analysis.

Or if the system is a laptop and you want to hibernate.


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Re: Question regarding swap partition when installing Linux Mint Debian.

[Rick Thomas]

On Feb 1, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Lauge Andersen  wrote:

> Hi. 
> I intend to install Linux Mint Debian and give up on the Ubuntu based 
> distros. However when I go through the installer, I get to the point where 
> I'm supposed to choose the size of the different partitions, but can anyone 
> tell me how big should the swap partition be?
> 
> I've read online that the size of the swap partition should be determined by 
> the memory.
> I've therefore copypasted from my terminal below:
> 
> free -m
>  total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
> Mem:  7871   1546   6325  0 38491
> -/+ buffers/cache:   1015   6855
> Swap:12011  0  12011
> 
> I'm currently using Lubuntu, it got an applicantion in the menu called 
> "discs" and it shows that I currently got a swap partition on 8,5 GB. Will it 
> therefore be correct just to choose to make the swap partition in Linux Mint 
> Debian 8,5 GB as well? 
> Can I assume that the swap partition size the installer of an Ubuntu based 
> distro automatically chose is the best size for a partition for Debian based 
> distro as well? (I just chose the default installation when installing 
> Lubuntu as well as other Ubuntu based distros, and therefore didn't have to 
> chose the size of the partition manually)
> 
> I guess this probably is a really stupid question, but since I'm fairly new 
> to Linux, and some of the info I found online regarding this question was 
> fairly confusing, I hope you can bear with me. And in case you notice quite 
> some misspellings, I might as well add that English is not my native tongue :)
> 
> Any way thanks a lot for the help in advance,
> Cheers.

There are lots of theories about how big to make your swap partition (or 
partitions -- you can have more than one)  Some people say two times the size 
of RAM but most don't give any reason why that particular multiplier.  There is 
logic for having at least as much swap as you have RAM (in other words, a 
multiplier of 1.0) because, when the system panics, it may want to make a copy 
of RAM to the swap space for later analysis.  This logic makes most sense if 
you're in a development shop where analyzing core dumps is a common practice; 
most folks aren't in that situation.

For modern machines, it's possible (and even common) to have enough RAM that 
you never need to swap at all, so a multiplier of zero is reasonable.

But there are uses for swap space that have nothing to do with swapping 
programs in and out of memory:  For example, if you decide to put /tmp in a 
ramdisk, you may want to allocate a swap partition that's much larger than your 
RAM as backup in case somebody needs *lots* of space in /tmp.  This will allow 
the system to use RAM for /tmp when the demand is light, and back-up to swap 
disk when demand is heavy.

So the definitive answer is, "It depends".  Your expected usage will determine 
how much swap space you need.

My personal rule of thumb is, "Start with twice your RAM and adjust from there 
depending on experience."

Does that help?

Rick

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Re: Question regarding swap partition when installing Linux Mint Debian.

[Doug]

On 02/01/2014 03:42 PM, Lauge Andersen wrote:

Hi.
I intend to install Linux Mint Debian and give up on the Ubuntu based 
distros. However when I go through the installer, I get to the point 
where I'm supposed to choose the size of the different partitions, but 
can anyone tell me how big should the swap partition be?


I've read online that the size of the swap partition should be 
determined by the memory.

I've therefore copypasted from my terminal below:

free -m
 total   used   free shared buffers cached
Mem:  7871   1546   6325  0 38491
-/+ buffers/cache:   1015   6855
Swap:12011  0  12011

I'm currently using Lubuntu, it got an applicantion in the menu called 
"discs" and it shows that I currently got a swap partition on 8,5 GB. 
Will it therefore be correct just to choose to make the swap partition 
in Linux Mint Debian 8,5 GB as well?
Can I assume that the swap partition size the installer of an Ubuntu 
based distro automatically chose is the best size for a partition for 
Debian based distro as well? (I just chose the default installation 
when installing Lubuntu as well as other Ubuntu based distros, and 
therefore didn't have to chose the size of the partition manually)


I guess this probably is a really stupid question, but since I'm 
fairly new to Linux, and some of the info I found online regarding 
this question was fairly confusing, I hope you can bear with me. And 
in case you notice quite some misspellings, I might as well add that 
English is not my native tongue :)


Any way thanks a lot for the help in advance,
Cheers.
If you already have that swap partition, just leave it there and your 
new distro will use it. You can have one swap for as many distros as you 
have on the machine!
(Since you only use it with one distro at a time, you don't need more 
than one.)
However, there seems to be some discrepancy in the measurements, unless 
you already have 2 swap partitions. Free says 12 GB, discs (with which 
I'm not familiar)
says 8.5 GB.  If you have two swap partitions, you can delete one and 
make it part of your usable disk space. I think you could safely delete 
the larger one.


Parenthetically, I sort of liked Mint, but I thought it was somewhat 
limited. You might try Korora.  But that's up to you, of course.


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Question regarding swap partition when installing Linux Mint Debian.

[Lauge Andersen]

Hi. 

I intend to install Linux Mint Debian and give up on the Ubuntu based distros. 
However when I go through the installer, I get to the point where I'm supposed 
to choose the size of the different partitions, but can anyone tell me how big 
should the swap partition be?


I've read online that the size of the swap partition should be determined by 
the memory.

I've therefore copypasted from my terminal below:

free -m
 total   used   free shared    buffers cached
Mem:  7871   1546   6325  0 38    491
-/+ buffers/cache:   1015   6855
Swap:    12011  0  12011


I'm currently using Lubuntu, it got an applicantion in the menu called "discs" 
and it shows that I currently got a swap partition on 8,5 GB. Will it therefore 
be correct just to choose to make the swap partition in Linux Mint Debian 8,5 
GB as well? 

Can I assume that the swap partition size the installer of an Ubuntu based 
distro automatically chose is the best size for a partition for Debian based 
distro as well? (I just chose the default installation when installing Lubuntu 
as well as other Ubuntu based distros, and therefore didn't have to chose the 
size of the partition manually)

I guess this probably is a really stupid question, but since I'm fairly new to 
Linux, and some of the info I found online regarding this question was fairly 
confusing, I hope you can bear with me. And in case you notice quite some 
misspellings, I might as well add that English is not my native tongue :)

Any way thanks a lot for the help in advance,
Cheers.

Re: problems installing linux on new laptop

[Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen]

Thanks for all the help!  I finally was able to do an installation,
and have now lubuntu 12.10 beta running-

It seems, it is not using th e nonfree nvidia drivers, I do have installed
libvdpau1
ubuntu-drivers-common
xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
libgl1-mesa-glx
libgl1-mesa.dri

(all installed by default by the installer)

The problem I mentiones in the original post, that the livecd with
lubuntu went into a black screen, is strange, but I found it could be
solved by using the F3 key.

Kjetil



On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:03 AM, Ralf Mardorf
 wrote:
> On Sun, 2012-09-09 at 02:58 -0400, Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen wrote:
>> I have a new laptop HP Pavilion dv4 5162la.  I have tried all night to
>> install linux opn it, various distributions, but all have problems, of
>> different sort.
>> Now I am trying lubuntu (12.10 beta, but tried 12.04, exactly same
>> symptoms)  When starting the install, the screen gets black, there 9is
>> a lot of noise from the op0tical drive, and then the process dies! Any
>> ideas?
>>
>> I tried aldo an live cd for debian testing, (3 september variant), but
>> that stopped with a different problem, one of the installer programs
>> returned with an error, so there is an error in a program on the cd.
>> Linux mint debian edition, after some time the installer program
>> freezes,
>> (happened repeatedly, at various points in the process. Got tired)  Any 
>> ideas?
>
> Can you boot into a small Linux on a Live CD, e.g. can you boot into
> http://partedmagic.com/doku.php?id=start ?
> Did you test Linux that aren't Debian based? E.g. Suse and/or Fedora?
>
> Regards,
> Ralf
>
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Re: problems installing linux on new laptop

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 2012-09-09 at 02:58 -0400, Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen wrote:
> I have a new laptop HP Pavilion dv4 5162la.  I have tried all night to
> install linux opn it, various distributions, but all have problems, of
> different sort.
> Now I am trying lubuntu (12.10 beta, but tried 12.04, exactly same
> symptoms)  When starting the install, the screen gets black, there 9is
> a lot of noise from the op0tical drive, and then the process dies! Any
> ideas?
> 
> I tried aldo an live cd for debian testing, (3 september variant), but
> that stopped with a different problem, one of the installer programs
> returned with an error, so there is an error in a program on the cd.
> Linux mint debian edition, after some time the installer program
> freezes,
> (happened repeatedly, at various points in the process. Got tired)  Any ideas?

Can you boot into a small Linux on a Live CD, e.g. can you boot into
http://partedmagic.com/doku.php?id=start ?
Did you test Linux that aren't Debian based? E.g. Suse and/or Fedora?

Regards,
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Re: problems installing linux on new laptop

[Doug]

On 09/09/2012 02:58 AM, Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen wrote:

I have a new laptop HP Pavilion dv4 5162la.  I have tried all night to
install linux opn it, various distributions, but all have problems, of
different sort.
Now I am trying lubuntu (12.10 beta, but tried 12.04, exactly same
symptoms)  When starting the install, the screen gets black, there 9is
a lot of noise from the op0tical drive, and then the process dies! Any
ideas?

I tried aldo an live cd for debian testing, (3 september variant), but
that stopped with a different problem, one of the installer programs
returned with an error, so there is an error in a program on the cd.
Linux mint debian edition, after some time the installer program
freezes,
(happened repeatedly, at various points in the process. Got tired)  Any ideas?

Kjetil


I think I remember someone else having trouble with an HP, and it
turned out that HP has filled up all 4 primary partitions with
"stuff" for recovery, etc., so there is no place to put another OS.
You'll have to repartition the drive, such that you have a partition
into which you can put secondary partitions for /root and /home,
at the least. Or you could scrub Windows altogether, and
clean the drive out, but that's a bit drastic, unless you know
you'll never need Windows for anything.

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Re: problems installing linux on new laptop

[Greg Madden]

On Sunday 09 September 2012 6:47:32 am Camaleón wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Sep 2012 02:58:39 -0400, Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen wrote:
> > I have a new laptop HP Pavilion dv4 5162la.  I have tried all night to
> > install linux opn it, various distributions, but all have problems, of
> > different sort.
> > Now I am trying lubuntu (12.10 beta, but tried 12.04, exactly same
> > symptoms)  When starting the install, the screen gets black, there 9is a
> > lot of noise from the op0tical drive, and then the process dies! Any
> > ideas?
>
> Yes, try with the text expert installer, disable KMS and jump to a debug
> console just in the event there's something logged there.

afaikt this laptop has the NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M card which needs the lastest 
NVIDIA 295.59 Linux update, from Nvidia. Not sure which Debian version, if any, 
has updated non-free to include this.  Text mode expert install may help.

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Re: problems installing linux on new laptop

[Jude DaShiell]

At least on debian installers it should always be possible after 
language and keyboard selections have been done to drop to the main menu 
so that an installer can first arrange for debug logs to be saved and 
then do a disk integrity check before proceeding with the installation.  
If the disk is no good to start with going any further is just a waste 
of time.  If the integrity is good, and an installer runs into problems 
after that, they'll be recorded in those debug logs.  If the debug logs 
were saved to a floppy, it ought to be possible to replay them later and 
in that event, those are something debian-installer wants you to upload 
into web space and send them the url to the debug logs.  That way they 
can do something about errors in programs on the install media.

On Sun, 9 Sep 2012, Brian wrote:

> On Sun 09 Sep 2012 at 02:58:39 -0400, Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen wrote:
> 
> > I have a new laptop HP Pavilion dv4 5162la.  I have tried all night to
> > install linux opn it, various distributions, but all have problems, of
> > different sort.
> > Now I am trying lubuntu (12.10 beta, but tried 12.04, exactly same
> > symptoms)  When starting the install, the screen gets black, there 9is
> > a lot of noise from the op0tical drive, and then the process dies! Any
> > ideas?
> 
> Contact a Ubuntu mailing list/forum?
>  
> > I tried aldo an live cd for debian testing, (3 september variant), but
> > that stopped with a different problem, one of the installer programs
> > returned with an error, so there is an error in a program on the cd.
> > Linux mint debian edition, after some time the installer program
> > freezes,
> > (happened repeatedly, at various points in the process. Got tired)  Any 
> > ideas?
> 
> This is about as vague as it gets. Some problem in some program on an
> unspecified image. Tiredness really has set in. :)
> 
> If for some reason you insist on installing Wheezy rather than Squeeze,
> an alpha ISO should be less troublesome:
> 
>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_alpha1/
> 
> 
> 

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Re: problems installing linux on new laptop

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 09 Sep 2012 02:58:39 -0400, Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen wrote:

> I have a new laptop HP Pavilion dv4 5162la.  I have tried all night to
> install linux opn it, various distributions, but all have problems, of
> different sort.
> Now I am trying lubuntu (12.10 beta, but tried 12.04, exactly same
> symptoms)  When starting the install, the screen gets black, there 9is a
> lot of noise from the op0tical drive, and then the process dies! Any
> ideas?

Yes, try with the text expert installer, disable KMS and jump to a debug 
console just in the event there's something logged there.
 
> I tried aldo an live cd for debian testing, (3 september variant), but
> that stopped with a different problem, one of the installer programs
> returned with an error, so there is an error in a program on the cd.

(...)

Precision does matter. What was the exact error you got?

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Re: problems installing linux on new laptop

[lee]

Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen  writes:

> I have a new laptop HP Pavilion dv4 5162la.  I have tried all night to
> install linux opn it, various distributions, but all have problems, of
> different sort.
> Now I am trying lubuntu (12.10 beta, but tried 12.04, exactly same
> symptoms)  When starting the install, the screen gets black, there 9is
> a lot of noise from the op0tical drive, and then the process dies! Any
> ideas?
>
> I tried aldo an live cd for debian testing, (3 september variant), but
> that stopped with a different problem, one of the installer programs
> returned with an error, so there is an error in a program on the cd.
> Linux mint debian edition, after some time the installer program
> freezes,
> (happened repeatedly, at various points in the process. Got tired)  Any ideas?

You need to provide more information, like which installer exactly you
are using and if you have tried the non-graphical installation and what
error messages you get.


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Re: problems installing linux on new laptop

[Brian]

On Sun 09 Sep 2012 at 02:58:39 -0400, Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen wrote:

> I have a new laptop HP Pavilion dv4 5162la.  I have tried all night to
> install linux opn it, various distributions, but all have problems, of
> different sort.
> Now I am trying lubuntu (12.10 beta, but tried 12.04, exactly same
> symptoms)  When starting the install, the screen gets black, there 9is
> a lot of noise from the op0tical drive, and then the process dies! Any
> ideas?

Contact a Ubuntu mailing list/forum?
 
> I tried aldo an live cd for debian testing, (3 september variant), but
> that stopped with a different problem, one of the installer programs
> returned with an error, so there is an error in a program on the cd.
> Linux mint debian edition, after some time the installer program
> freezes,
> (happened repeatedly, at various points in the process. Got tired)  Any ideas?

This is about as vague as it gets. Some problem in some program on an
unspecified image. Tiredness really has set in. :)

If for some reason you insist on installing Wheezy rather than Squeeze,
an alpha ISO should be less troublesome:

   http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_alpha1/


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Re: problems installing linux on new laptop

[Joe]

On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 02:58:39 -0400
Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen  wrote:

> I have a new laptop HP Pavilion dv4 5162la.  I have tried all night to
> install linux opn it, various distributions, but all have problems, of
> different sort.
> Now I am trying lubuntu (12.10 beta, but tried 12.04, exactly same
> symptoms)  When starting the install, the screen gets black, there 9is
> a lot of noise from the op0tical drive, and then the process dies! Any
> ideas?
> 
> I tried aldo an live cd for debian testing, (3 september variant), but
> that stopped with a different problem, one of the installer programs
> returned with an error, so there is an error in a program on the cd.
> Linux mint debian edition, after some time the installer program
> freezes,
> (happened repeatedly, at various points in the process. Got tired)
> Any ideas?
> 

The very latest Knoppix? That's likely to get new drivers before most
installable distributions.

Knoppix isn't suitable for permanent installation, as it isn't
maintained, but it's mostly based on Debian sid and drivers should be
transferrable. At the very least, the problem area should be identified.

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Re: problems installing linux on new laptop

[Jude DaShiell]

Have you tried Slackware 13.37 yet?  That might work, I have an ancient 
Dell laptop and Slackware had no problems installing and running on that 
laptop.  It hasn't got an especially large footprint either.

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installing linux image doesn't call lilo

[Matus UHLAR - fantomas]

Hello,

I noticed that in lenny, installing new linux image doesn't cause lilo to be
run, therefore the system might get unbootable.

Is there any docs about this and is there any way to cause lilo run after
kernel image install? 

I have /etc/kernel-img.conf with "do_bootloader = Yes" for a long time, even
tried "loader = lilo" (after reading the postinst) but is did not help.


P.S. no, I won't use grub.

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Re: Installing linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 on lenny (grub problems)

[Frank Lin PIAT]

Hello,

On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 12:13 +1200, Simon wrote:
> 
> We have a fresh install of lenny on a VM 

Which VM?

> and tried to perform the initial apt-get update/upgrade but are having
> issues with dependency problems. Can someone point me in the correct
> direction here please?


> # apt-get upgrade
[..]
> Setting up linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 (2.6.26-13lenny2) ...
[..]
> Running postinst hook script update-grub.
> Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub
> warning: grub-probe can't find drive for /dev/sda1.

This error message is your actual problem.

What is the mount point for / and /boot ?
  mount | grep " /\(boot\)\? "

What are the partitions available one the system ?
  cat /proc/partitions


> grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sda1.
> Check your device.map.

To solve your problem, you will have to adjust the content of the
file /boot/grub/device.map

Mine looks like :
   (hd0)/dev/sda

The disk device (sda) [not a partition like sda1], must be the "first"
disk device, as seen by the bios at boot time.


>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[..]
> dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6-amd64 (--configure):
>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured

linux-image-2.6-amd64 depends on linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64, which has
just failed to be configured. Therefore dpkg complains that
linux-image-2.6-amd64 can't be configured because it depends on a
package (linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64) that couldn't be configured.

This isn't a "dependency problem".
This is a "postinst" (post-installation) script problem, due to grub
failing to configure.

Franklin


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Installing linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 on lenny (dependency problems)

[Simon]

Hi There,

We have a fresh install of lenny on a VM and tried to perform the initial
apt-get update/upgrade but are having issues with dependency problems. Can
someone point me in the correct direction here please?

Thanks

Simon

# apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
3 not fully installed or removed.
After this operation, 0B of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
Setting up linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 (2.6.26-13lenny2) ...
Running depmod.
Running mkinitramfs-kpkg.
Not updating initrd symbolic links since we are being updated/reinstalled
(2.6.26-13 was configured last, according to dpkg)
Not updating image symbolic links since we are being updated/reinstalled
(2.6.26-13 was configured last, according to dpkg)
Running postinst hook script update-grub.
Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub
warning: grub-probe can't find drive for /dev/sda1.
grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sda1.  Check your
device.map.

User postinst hook script [update-grub] exited with value 1
dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Setting up linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 (2.6.26-15lenny2) ...
Running depmod.
Running mkinitramfs-kpkg.
initrd.img(/boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-amd64
) points to /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-amd64
 (/boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-amd64) -- doing nothing at
/var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64.postinst line 569.
vmlinuz(/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64
) points to /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64
 (/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64) -- doing nothing at
/var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64.postinst line 569.
Running postinst hook script update-grub.
Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub
warning: grub-probe can't find drive for /dev/sda1.
grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sda1.  Check your
device.map.

User postinst hook script [update-grub] exited with value 1
dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-image-2.6-amd64:
 linux-image-2.6-amd64 depends on linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64; however:
  Package linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 is not configured yet.
dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6-amd64 (--configure):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
 linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64
 linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64
 linux-image-2.6-amd64
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

Re: Error installing linux-sound-base on testing

[Kamaraju Kusumanchi]

On Wednesday 10 January 2007 12:31, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote:
> While installing alsa-utils which depends on linux-sound-base on a
> fresh testing install:
>
> Setting up linux-sound-base (1.0.13-3) ...

The same version exists in both testing, unstable according to
http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-sound-base&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all


>
> Should a bug be filed? Is this solved in unstable?
>

Yes. If the bug is consistenly reproducible on your machine, please file it in 
the BTS.

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[Ismael Valladolid Torres]

While installing alsa-utils which depends on linux-sound-base on a
fresh testing install:

Setting up linux-sound-base (1.0.13-3) ...
ln: creating symbolic link `/etc/modutils/linux-sound-base_noOSS' to 
`/lib/linux-sound-base/noOSS.modutils.conf': No such file or directory
dpkg: error processing linux-sound-base (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of alsa-utils:
 alsa-utils depends on linux-sound-base (>= 1.0.11-2); however:
  Package linux-sound-base is not configured yet.
dpkg: error processing alsa-utils (--configure):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
 linux-sound-base
 alsa-utils
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

Should a bug be filed? Is this solved in unstable?

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Re: installing Linux

[Colin]

sol-100 wrote:
> 
> Hi there!
>  
> I'm trying to get Linux with no success. I'm using Windows XP SP2. I've
> downloaded your CD image but It cannot be installed.
> May I have your help, please?
>  

Let's start with the obvious: Is there only one ISO file on the CD or
are there a couple of files and subdirectories?

Also, a description of the hardware (CPU, chipset, peripherals, etc)
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Re: installing Linux

[Douglas Tutty]

On Sun, Dec 03, 2006 at 03:30:24PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> sol-100 writes:
> > I'm trying to get Linux with no success. I'm using Windows XP SP2. I've
> > downloaded your CD image but It cannot be installed.  May I have your
> > help, please?
> 
> You certainly may, but you must give us more information.  _Exactly_ what
> did you do and _exactly_ what happened?  Be verbose.
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I also hope that you have a copy of the installation manual handy when
you install.  It can be a steep step up to the *N*X learning curve from
a purely windows background.

But here you'll find all the friendly knowledgable help you could ever
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sol-100 writes:
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> downloaded your CD image but It cannot be installed.  May I have your
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Re: installing Linux

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Hi, you need to restart your PC and go to the BIOS menu(F2 or delete on
startup) and change the divice priority so you can boot(start) from your CD
drive before booting Windows XP.

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installing Linux

[sol-100]

Hi there!
 
I'm trying to get Linux with no success. I'm using Windows XP SP2. I've 
downloaded your CD image but It cannot be installed.
May I have your help, please?
 

Any success in installing Linux Lotus Notes Client 7.0.1 on Etch?

[Bruno Voigt]

Hi all,
the Linux-Version of the Lotus Notes client 7.0.1 is now available.
It is intended for Redhat 4 with Mozilla 1.7.

Had someone already success in installing it on Etch?
For me the installer exits after complaining that it could not validate
the mozilla version,
although the latest mozilla packages are installed.

running the installer with strace didn't provide any hints to me.

Perhaps someone already had more success?

TIA,
Bruno


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Re: Installing Linux Kernel and RT Linux

[Star King of the Grape Trees]

Eduardo wrote:

Hello I'm new to Linux and working and reading a lot to understand it. 
I have downloaded the Kernel but haven't got a clue how to install it 
in a computer that will use only the Kernel and the RT Linux...
 
Any help please
 
Eduardo


I would begin by installing and learning a distribution (such as Debian 
or slackware), and learning it well.


I would then attempt to customize the system to use an RT kernel.

THEN I would cut out everything not absolutely neccessary.

Alternatively, www.linuxfromscratch.org is also a good learning 
experience and could give you some hints.



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Hello I'm new to Linux and working and 
reading a lot to understand it. I have downloaded the Kernel but haven't got a 
clue how to install it in a computer that will use only the Kernel and the RT 
Linux...
 
Any help please
 
Eduardo

Re: Installing linux inside linux?

[Joel Konkle-Parker]

Karsten M. Self wrote:
...and you want to do...?
I want to test debian-installer.

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Re: Installing linux inside linux?

[Bijan Soleymani]

"Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > - UML: patch for kernel? I don't want to recompile my kernel
> 
> You don't have to, it's a ready-made Debian package, as previously
> described.

user mode linux works without the patch. But it works better when a
UML patch is applied to the kernel. It increases performance and
allows UML programs to run in a seperate address space.

Bijan


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Re: Installing linux inside linux?

[Sebastian Kapfer]

On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:10:04 +0200, Karsten M. Self wrote:

> The primary issue is performance.  Bochs is a hardware-in-software
> emulator.  The useful feature is that you can run a virtual x86 box on
> any platform -- x86, MIPS, zSeries, whatever.  The downside is it's
> slow. Really, really slow.  An order of magnitude or more slower than a
> nonvirtual system.

Several orders of magnitude in my experience. I tried QBasic's demo game
"Nibbles" once, which worked fine on my i486 (50 MHz?), and probably even
on slower systems. Bochs on Duron750 can't even remotely cope with it :-)

> For a reasonable alternative (commercial/proprietary), consider VMWare.
> This is system virtualization, not emulation,  It runs acceptably on
> 600MHz and better systems.  An installation allows you to create as many
> virtual systems as you have disk storage for, and you can run several
> (generally 2-4) at a time, limited by memory.

Or try Bochs+Plex86. That's limited to i386, but it should be
significantly faster than pure Bochs. (vmware is probably still faster...)

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Re: Installing linux inside linux?

[Karsten M. Self]

on Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 10:23:45AM -0500, Joel Konkle-Parker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I've heard of several methods of installing Debian within an already 
> running Debian install on the same partition.
> 
> - Bochs: an emulator, does this recreate a system worthy of a debian 
>   install? or will emulator-specific problems arise?

The primary issue is performance.  Bochs is a hardware-in-software
emulator.  The useful feature is that you can run a virtual x86 box on
any platform -- x86, MIPS, zSeries, whatever.  The downside is it's
slow.  Really, really slow.  An order of magnitude or more slower than a
nonvirtual system.

For a reasonable alternative (commercial/proprietary), consider VMWare.
This is system virtualization, not emulation,  It runs acceptably on
600MHz and better systems.  An installation allows you to create as many
virtual systems as you have disk storage for, and you can run several
(generally 2-4) at a time, limited by memory.

Both bochs and VMWare give you a fully autonomous system running on the
host machine, with a fully autonomous hardware complement apparent to
any applications running within the guest system.


> - chroot: what's a chroot?

"Change root directory".  A chroot shell is a shell running with its own
root directory as some subdirectory of the system root.  This is most
useful for either running apps in some compatibility mode (usually
libraries) within a host environment, or for installations (which I've
used it for extensively).  

A chroot environment uses the host system's kernel, and can interact
with the host system in several ways, some of which might not be
acceptable from a security perspective ("escaping the jail").



> - UML: patch for kernel? I don't want to recompile my kernel

You don't have to, it's a ready-made Debian package, as previously
described.

> Are there any other ways of doing this I'm not aware of?

Probably ;-)


> I have 1 hard drive with a windows partition, and one each of /, /boot, 
> and scratch partitions, running Woody on the linux side.

...and you want to do...?

> Thanks in advance.

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Re: Installing linux inside linux?

[Shaun ONeil]

On Sat, 2003-06-21 at 11:23, Joel Konkle-Parker wrote:
> I've heard of several methods of installing Debian within an already 
> running Debian install on the same partition.
> 
> - Bochs: an emulator, does this recreate a system worthy of a debian 
> install? or will emulator-specific problems arise?

Can't say I've tried it, so I'll leave that one for someone else ..

> - chroot: what's a chroot?

chroot changes a process' view of the filesystem .. specifically, where
the root of the filesystem is (hence ch(ange)root). Here's an example
transcript:

/root # cd /mnt/redhat
/mnt/redhat # ls
bin  boot  dev  etc  halt  home  initrd  lib  lost+found  misc  mnt 
opt  proc  root  sbin  tmp  usr  var
/mnt/redhat # chroot . /bin/sh
/ # ls
bin  boot  dev  etc  halt  home  initrd  lib  lost+found  misc  mnt 
opt  proc  root  sbin  tmp  usr  var

There I've started /bin/sh but chroot'd so that /mnt/redhat appears as /
(but only to /bin/sh and it's children - the rest of the system is
untouched).

See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot
for more details

> - UML: patch for kernel? I don't want to recompile my kernel

While User-Mode Linux can benefit from a kernel patch (the skas patch),
it's just a normal process - it doesn't require any modifications to
your running kernel.

Simply apt-get install user-mode-linux (and optionally
user-mode-linux-docs), then grab a pre-made filesystem for it from
either
http://people.debian.org/~mdz/uml/
or
http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/dl-fs-sf.html

See the howto on user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net for more details.

> Are there any other ways of doing this I'm not aware of?

Not that I'm aware of - bochs and similar will run linux within an
emulated PC, user-mode-linux will let you run linux within it's own
kernel, and chroot will let you run a process within it's own corner of
the filesystem.  Which is better simply depends on how isolated from the
host machine you want the "linux within linux" to be.

> I have 1 hard drive with a windows partition, and one each of /, /boot, 
> and scratch partitions, running Woody on the linux side.

chroot uses an existing directory, uml uses files containing filesystems
- neither will require new partitions.

> Thanks in advance.
> 
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[Joel Konkle-Parker]

I've heard of several methods of installing Debian within an already 
running Debian install on the same partition.

- Bochs: an emulator, does this recreate a system worthy of a debian 
install? or will emulator-specific problems arise?

- chroot: what's a chroot?

- UML: patch for kernel? I don't want to recompile my kernel

Are there any other ways of doing this I'm not aware of?

I have 1 hard drive with a windows partition, and one each of /, /boot, 
and scratch partitions, running Woody on the linux side.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Installing Linux

[Eric Richardson]

Andrew wrote:
> 
> Hi. I am getting ready to install Linux and are
> considering the way's to install it. I am wondering if
> I can start the installation system and tell it to
> download the packages,etc. If I can, please tell me
> what I need and how to do it. Thanks.
> 
I bought the 3 CD 2.2r0 binaries set from http://cheapbytes.com/ and was
pleased with the high quality and speedy service. With Debian, upgrading
was easy using apt-get.

Eric :-)

Re: Installing Linux

[Sebastiaan]

Hi,

you need to download the basesystem and some floppy's. Once you have
booted the base system and roll into the secound stage install, you have
the option to set up a ppp link, or just use the ethernet, to download
additional packages. See
ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/disks-/
there is a doc in there (somewhere) which explains the installation stuff.

Greetz,
Sebastiaan


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> Hi. I am getting ready to install Linux and are
> considering the way's to install it. I am wondering if
> I can start the installation system and tell it to
> download the packages,etc. If I can, please tell me
> what I need and how to do it. Thanks.
> 
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Hi. I am getting ready to install Linux and are
considering the way's to install it. I am wondering if
I can start the installation system and tell it to
download the packages,etc by ftp. If I can, please
tell me what I need and how to do it. Thanks.

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Re: HPT366 and installing linux.

[Oswald Buddenhagen]

> After a long time without using Linux, I decided to try Debian on my
> computer. However, when I tried to install Debian the setup program
> couldn't find any drives connected... And I tried to install manually
> the disk drives with the I/O adresses and irq numbers. No way! I can't use
> my UDMA66 drive... What is the solution? 
> 
we had a long thread about this topic the last two days. 
best is, you look into the list archives.

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HPT366 and installing linux.

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After a long time without using Linux, I decided to try Debian on my
computer. However, when I tried to install Debian the setup program
couldn't find any drives connected... And I tried to install manually
the disk drives with the I/O adresses and irq numbers. No way! I can't use
my UDMA66 drive... What is the solution? 

Re: Installing Linux (RedHat) on NT 4.0

[David J. Kanter]

Just use the program bootpart for NT; you'll be up and running in about 5
minutes.

On Thu, Oct 28, 1999 at 03:26:08PM +1000, Wallentin, Henrik wrote:
> Hi all!
> 
> I know this has been brought up a couple of times, but I would really be
> happy if any of you could help me with this.
> 
> Last week a had a really good URL for how to set up Linux on a machine which
> already has NT on it.
> The URL was www.li.org/Resources/LDP/sg/sg.html, and if you take a look now
> it has disappeared.
> 
> I've seen a couples of MINI HOWTOs but those aren't as good as the above
> was!
> 
> Any suggestions are welcomed!
> 
> Cheers,
> Henrik
> 
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[Wallentin, Henrik]

Hi all!

I know this has been brought up a couple of times, but I would really be
happy if any of you could help me with this.

Last week a had a really good URL for how to set up Linux on a machine which
already has NT on it.
The URL was www.li.org/Resources/LDP/sg/sg.html, and if you take a look now
it has disappeared.

I've seen a couples of MINI HOWTOs but those aren't as good as the above
was!

Any suggestions are welcomed!

Cheers,
Henrik

installing linux reboots

[jvinyas]

dear linuxers,

I'm triying again to install linux on a VXPRO P166. Now without any card 
(except PCI video card).

Every time machine reboots when installing. Finally changing things i optained 
follw message (about. very fast reboot)

Kernel  - Netconfig failed allocate buffer hash table.

Inswapping task not syncing stack segment 04'xcpu ..

Unable to handle kernel paging request  ..

I was looking for message errors, and how to's, etc. but really i didnt find 
it. 

There is any message eroorors searcher ??

thnks in advance , 
j,vinyas

Re: I need some info/piece of mind before installing linux

[Bob Nielsen]

On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 10:38:48PM +1000, Colin Tree wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just noticed something called VMware, a pc emulator which creates
> a virtual pc. Rock solid, runs ms-dos, windows 3.x, 95, 98, NT, 2000 beta.
> Needs a fast machine with heaps of ram and doesn't support DirectX.
> Has anyone tried this software ?
> http://www.vmware.com

It works pretty well.  So far I haven't found any Win 95 apps which
won't run,but I haven't really tried.  It's slower than native Win 95,
but you don't have to reboot.  It's not free (in either a gnu or $
sense). 

> 
> >also, is there any way to still use
> Win95 apps in linux, i like to make techno music on my computer and would like
> to carry over my production music(and video games for that matter) to linux, 
> is
> this possible?? 
> >Joshua Klessig >

Of course there's also wine, which keeps getting better, but still has a
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Re: I need some info/piece of mind before installing linux

[Colin Tree]

Hi,

Just noticed something called VMware, a pc emulator which creates
a virtual pc. Rock solid, runs ms-dos, windows 3.x, 95, 98, NT, 2000 beta.
Needs a fast machine with heaps of ram and doesn't support DirectX.
Has anyone tried this software ?
http://www.vmware.com

>also, is there any way to still use
Win95 apps in linux, i like to make techno music on my computer and would like
to carry over my production music(and video games for that matter) to linux, is
this possible?? 
>Joshua Klessig >
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Re: I need some info/piece of mind before installing linux

[David Teague]

Revenant:

Great that you should contribute back to the liet! congratulations.

The package you mention is WABI, "Windows Application Binary
Interface" or something like that, it is commercial, and as I recall
it only works for 3.1 applications. It has been a long time since I
looked. 

This is the best part of Linux, and of Debian, namely the give an
take of problems and solutions. Except that these folk are really
nice too boot -- quick to answer and almost alwasy right, and 
if I goof, they are kind in correcting.


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On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Revenant wrote:

> Mounting an MS-DOS filesystem should work - I was doing that until I
> realised you could do VFAT.  You'll just be without your
> long filenames.
> 
> There is a Windows 'emulator' called "WINE" for Linux but it's not 100%
> reliable and is still listed as a developer's-only alpha release to the
> best of my knowledge.
> 
> I believe there is a UNIX win emulator called WAPI, but it's commercial
> and I don't know how much it would cost.
> 
> Wahoo!  My first opportunity to *give back* to this list. :)

Re: I need some info/piece of mind before installing linux

[Frankie]

Will Lowe wrote:

> > floppy.  The only thing i can think of is keeping them on the second
> > drive while the first drive makes the conversion to linux, then im
> > hoping that in linux i can still access the non-linux second drive,
> Sure.  Linux can read disk drives that have been formatted under Windows,
> no problem.
>
> > also, is there any way to still use Win95 apps in linux, i like to
> > make techno music on my computer and would like to carry over my
> > production music(and video games for that matter) to linux, is this
> > possible??
> The answer is to put linux on one hard drive and windows on the other.

What I am about to say probably isn't appropriate to a newbie, but depending on 
your
competence it may be useful, or you may remember this a few months down the 
line...
In my experience this seems to speed up my computer by about 40 to 50% when I am
running lots of apps at once.

if you don't understand the meaing of the above, you probably shouldn't read 
this
next paragraph :-P
If you split linux over the two harddrives, then the hard disk access will be 
faster,
because you are reading from two at once.
One way to achieve this is to split your swap partition over two harddrives, 
and set
them with equal priority.


about your techno music,  with what have you written it? Is it with a 'standard'
format like .xm or similar? Because there are players for various modules 
formats,
and there are (at least) four trackers available for linux. Unfortunately, I 
have
failed to get any of them to compile - read another post of mine on this list - 
and
as far as they know they are not packaged for debian. If/when I can get them to
compile, then I fully intend to package them up and make them available.
Just need to read the debian-devel docs again...

frankie

>
> Linux (well, actually Lilo, the program that starts up linux) can ask you
> whether you'd like to run Linux or Windows each time you boot, and you can
> pick one.

>
>
> Check out the Linux&Win95 HOWTO at
> http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/mini/Linux+Win95.html
>
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Re: I need some info/piece of mind before installing linux

[Brian Servis]

*- On 25 Jun, Revenant wrote about "Re: I need some info/piece of mind before 
installing linux"
> 
> I believe there is a UNIX win emulator called WAPI, but it's commercial
> and I don't know how much it would cost.

It's WABI.

There is also VMware(www.vmware.com) which is an amazing piece of
software. For a limited time you can get a 'non-commercial' version for
$75US!  It runs a virtual OS with bios and all on top of linux. 
See http://www.vmware.com/products/linuxscreen.html for some eye candy!

> 
> Wahoo!  My first opportunity to *give back* to this list. :)
> 

Congrats!

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Re: I need some info/piece of mind before installing linux

[Revenant]

Mounting an MS-DOS filesystem should work - I was doing that until I
realised you could do VFAT.  You'll just be without your
long filenames.

There is a Windows 'emulator' called "WINE" for Linux but it's not 100%
reliable and is still listed as a developer's-only alpha release to the
best of my knowledge.

I believe there is a UNIX win emulator called WAPI, but it's commercial
and I don't know how much it would cost.

Wahoo!  My first opportunity to *give back* to this list. :)

David Teague wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Gentleman Loser wrote:
> > I got a CD with the Debian realease(a cd from the Boot Magazine's
> > suplementary CD).
> > I guess all in all im fine with just blazing over my hard drive
> > with linux, but i really want to keep my mp3 files, text/doc/wri
> > files, my webpage, and real audio files.  If you could only tell
> > me one thing it would be how i could carry these things over to
> > linux.  I don't have a cd burner to store them, and some of the
> > files are bigger that a floppy.  The only thing i can think of is
> > keeping them on the second drive while the first drive makes the
> > conversion to linux, then im hoping that in linux i can still
> > access the non-linux second drive, put it's contents onto the
> > first drive than convert the second drive to linux.  If that can
> > be done, could you expalain how?
> >
> > also, is there any way to still use Win95 apps in linux, i like to
> > make techno music on my computer and would like to carry over my
> > production music(and video games for that matter) to linux, is
> > this possible??
> >
> > thanks for any info you can give me, also if you can think of
> > anything else usefull to a linux newbie like me, please send it.
> Joshua
> 
> If you install Debian on one drive, data on the other drive is
> unlikely to be affected adversely, I suspect you have more data than
> you really want to put on floppies. However, Assuming your files are
> on MS DOS file system, you could use pkzip to put them on a sequence
> of floppies.
> 
> You will be able to read MS DOS, Vfat, and NT file systems from
> Linux if support for these is in your kernel.  The install kernels
> usually have MSDOS file system support, but I don't think the will
> have NT or Vfat (wind 95 32 bit fs) support. So I do not know
> whether you will be able to get to your files with the kernel that
> comes on your CD.
> 
> This is a wonderful bunch of men and women who provide help on this
> list. Others probably will respond with words of assistance,
> encouragement, and caution.
> 
> I wish you luck in installing and learning to use Linux.
> 
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Re: I need some info/piece of mind before installing linux

[Kent West]

Gentleman Loser wrote:

> I guess all in all im fine with just blazing over my hard drive with
> linux, but i really want to keep my mp3 files, text/doc/wri files, my
> webpage, and real audio files.  If you could only tell me one thing it
> would be how i could carry these things over to linux.  I don't have a
> cd burner to store them, and some of the files are bigger that a
> floppy.  The only thing i can think of is keeping them on the second
> drive while the first drive makes the conversion to linux, then im
> hoping that in linux i can still access the non-linux second drive,
> put it's contents onto the first drive than convert the second drive
> to linux.  If that can be done, could you explain how?
>
>
> Alternatively, you could do one or more of the following:
>   1) If you have network storage somewhere, ftp (or etc) the files to
> the network.
>   2) Borrow, buy, etc a zip drive, or jaz, or etc. and copy the files
> there.
>   3) Temporarily put in another hard drive (cheapie or free 200MB
> drive from a garage sale, flea market, etc) and copy the files there;
> just make sure to test the retrievability of the files before
> committing yourself to wiping the original.
>   4) Leave one drive (permanantly?) as Windows, and the other as
> Linux.
>   5) Or, as you say, put linux on one drive for now, later copy the
> files to it and then convert the other drive. Basically you just
> install everything to one drive (the one without the files you want to
> keep); then copy the files over, format the second drive for Linux,
> and then "mount" the second drive as a "subdirectory" that used to be
> on the first drive. It sounds a lot more complicated than it is.
>
>  also, is there any way to still use Win95 apps in linux, i like to
> make techno music on my computer and would like to carry over my
> production music(and video games for that matter) to linux, is this
> possible??
>
> Yes, check out WINE, dual-booting, and VMWARE. (three different
> options, any one of which might work well for you).
>
>  thanks for any info you can give me, also if you can think of
> anything else usefull to a linux newbie like me, please send
> it. Joshua Klessig

Re: I need some info/piece of mind before installing linux

[David Teague]

On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Gentleman Loser wrote:

> I got a CD with the Debian realease(a cd from the Boot Magazine's
> suplementary CD). 
>  
> I guess all in all im fine with just blazing over my hard drive
> with linux, but i really want to keep my mp3 files, text/doc/wri
> files, my webpage, and real audio files.  If you could only tell
> me one thing it would be how i could carry these things over to
> linux.  I don't have a cd burner to store them, and some of the
> files are bigger that a floppy.  The only thing i can think of is
> keeping them on the second drive while the first drive makes the
> conversion to linux, then im hoping that in linux i can still
> access the non-linux second drive, put it's contents onto the
> first drive than convert the second drive to linux.  If that can
> be done, could you expalain how? 
>  
> also, is there any way to still use Win95 apps in linux, i like to
> make techno music on my computer and would like to carry over my
> production music(and video games for that matter) to linux, is
> this possible?? 
> 
> thanks for any info you can give me, also if you can think of
> anything else usefull to a linux newbie like me, please send it. 
  
Joshua

If you install Debian on one drive, data on the other drive is
unlikely to be affected adversely, I suspect you have more data than
you really want to put on floppies. However, Assuming your files are
on MS DOS file system, you could use pkzip to put them on a sequence
of floppies.

You will be able to read MS DOS, Vfat, and NT file systems from
Linux if support for these is in your kernel.  The install kernels
usually have MSDOS file system support, but I don't think the will
have NT or Vfat (wind 95 32 bit fs) support. So I do not know
whether you will be able to get to your files with the kernel that
comes on your CD.

This is a wonderful bunch of men and women who provide help on this
list. Others probably will respond with words of assistance,
encouragement, and caution.

I wish you luck in installing and learning to use Linux.

--David
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Re: I need some info/piece of mind before installing linux

[Will Lowe]

> floppy.  The only thing i can think of is keeping them on the second
> drive while the first drive makes the conversion to linux, then im
> hoping that in linux i can still access the non-linux second drive,
Sure.  Linux can read disk drives that have been formatted under Windows,
no problem.

> also, is there any way to still use Win95 apps in linux, i like to
> make techno music on my computer and would like to carry over my
> production music(and video games for that matter) to linux, is this
> possible??
The answer is to put linux on one hard drive and windows on the other.
Linux (well, actually Lilo, the program that starts up linux) can ask you
whether you'd like to run Linux or Windows each time you boot, and you can
pick one.

Check out the Linux&Win95 HOWTO at
http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/mini/Linux+Win95.html

Will


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I need some info/piece of mind before installing linux

[Gentleman Loser]

I got a CD with the Debian realease(a cd from 
the Boot Magazine's suplementary CD).
 
I guess all in all im fine with just blazing over my hard 
drive with linux, but i really want to keep my mp3 files, text/doc/wri files, my 
webpage, and real audio files.  If you could only tell me one thing it 
would be how i could carry these things over to linux.  I don't have a cd 
burner to store them, and some of the files are bigger that a floppy.  The 
only thing i can think of is keeping them on the second drive while the first 
drive makes the conversion to linux, then im hoping that in linux i can still 
access the non-linux second drive, put it's contents onto the first drive than 
convert the second drive to linux.  If that can be done, could you  
expalain how?
 

also, is there any way to still use Win95 apps in linux, i 
like to make techno music on my computer and would like to carry over my 
production music(and video games for that matter) to linux, is this 
possible??
 
thanks for any info you can give me, also if you can think of 
anything else usefull to a linux newbie like me, please send it.
 
Joshua Klessig

Re: Installing Linux 1.3.1

[Andrei Ivanov]

> Hi  friends

Hi

> I'm a beginner in the Linux World and as my first step I have installed
> Debian GNU/Linux 1.3.1 in a PC 486
> / 100 MHz  through the floppy drive. My PC lacks of CD-ROM or network
> connection.

Why 1.3? You could get 2.0
Anyway

> 
> $  I don't know how to use the dselect command , because when I execute
> it , it asks me for a "package" file ,
> which should be in the hard disk. How can I find those package files in
> the Linux CD ?

Try changing the access methodthats the only thing I can think of.
When you do, it will ask you for package files. I was installing my system
from HD, so I never had it either. dselect worked without me giving it the
path to it.

> 
> $ How do  I use the "mount" command ? I want to mount the floppy drive
> as a directory .

Make a directory , say /floppy
Then try mount /dev/fd0 /floppy

The better suggestion is for you to get mtools. It's a great little
package that does floppy work.

> $ The "man" command doesn't work . Is that an installation problem ?
> What did I do wrong?

Man is a separate package, not included in the base installation.
Download it, and if you can, install it. You are going to have a hard time
installing most of software through the floppy.I'd suggest you get a
modem...even 28.8 will do fine. I've downloaded most of packages in the
system I have now, over 33.6 modem.

Andrei

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Installing Linux 1.3.1

[Hector Garcia]

Hi  friends

I'm a beginner in the Linux World and as my first step I have installed
Debian GNU/Linux 1.3.1 in a PC 486
/ 100 MHz  through the floppy drive. My PC lacks of CD-ROM or network
connection.

Now , I'm trying to install some aplications such as graphical user
interface (XFree86) , etc.

I've some questions about this topic :

$  I don't know how to use the dselect command , because when I execute
it , it asks me for a "package" file ,
which should be in the hard disk. How can I find those package files in
the Linux CD ?

$ How do  I use the "mount" command ? I want to mount the floppy drive
as a directory .

$ The "man" command doesn't work . Is that an installation problem ?
What did I do wrong?

I hope somebody can help me

Thanks

Hector Garcia (hg)

[solved] [off topic] installing linux form source

[Armin Wegner]

Hi,

thanks for all your replies.
I've installed the debian packages for Xfree86 3.3.3.1 from netgod.net/x on
slink. X is fine now and I'm happy again.

Thank you

Armin

Re: [off topic] installing linux from scratch

[Ben Messinger]

This mail was sent from a 100% Microsoft-free (aka GPF-free) environment.
Have a stable day. Use Linux.

On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, Armin Wegner wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> can anybody tell where to find information on how to install linux
> from c source code. 
> Currently I'm using Debian. Debian is fine. But there is no support for
> my Riva TNT chipset in X 3.3.2.3. 

Anouncements that NetGod has made slink .deb's of xfee 3.3.3.x have been
all over this list for the past few days. -- I personally instlaled the
updates from his site last night. Look at the list archive over the last
two days for the url. 

So I've installed version 3.3.3.1 from 
> source to /usr/local. Now there are many very anoying problems with the
> dpkg dependency check, when installing application for X. dpkg won't let
> me install twm without installing xbase, etc. before. 
> dpkg is missing an option to tell it, that an package has been installed
> by hand and there is no need to install the .deb package.

Acctually, the better way to do this it to make a .deb package from the
source, and then install the .deb package. Debian has a most wonderful
package management system - don't try to out-smart it or bypass it. Making
.deb's is as easy as compiling - but like I said, the work has already
been done. 


> 
> I'm using very few package. Propably it's an option for me, to install
> linux from source code. My /usr/local is bigger then /usr.
> 
> Armin

-Ben

Re: [off topic] installing linux from scratch

[Michael Talbot-Wilson]

On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, Armin Wegner wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> can anybody tell where to find information on how to install linux
> from c source code. 

This is not quite clear.  You can't install the Linux kernel from its
source code on a bare computer---you have to bootstrap via simpler systems
to get to the point of having a running kernel.

I think you are asking about installing programs on an existing Linux
system using the source code as released by the developer.  The
information is in the source packages themselves.  They are generally
available as *.tar.gz or *.tgz files.  Look on sites like tsx-11.mit.edu,
not sites that are specific to single distributions.  Once you have some
version of the source, look in it for the location of the principal
release site, which will have the latest version.

You need the C compiler (gcc), the binutils, the Linux kernel source or
its .h files, and other programs commonly needed to build from source,
including make, bison, flex, sed and a couple of others (you will find out
what's missing when you try to do it).  Then you can follow the directions
that usually come with the source, and generally build and install the
binary, though there are sometimes portability problems. 

> Currently I'm using Debian. Debian is fine. But there is no support for
> my Riva TNT chipset in X 3.3.2.3. So I've installed version 3.3.3.1 from 
> source to /usr/local. Now there are many very anoying problems with the

Hmm... Okay.  It is quite unclear what you are trying to ask.

> dpkg dependency check, when installing application for X. dpkg won't let
> me install twm without installing xbase, etc. before. 

If you've installed XFree86 3.3.3 from source I think you will have twm. 
If not, install X11 with the binaries from ftp.xfree86.org and you will
certainly have it. 

> dpkg is missing an option to tell it, that an package has been installed
> by hand and there is no need to install the .deb package.

If you already have a program installed but Debian doesn't know it and
thinks there is a missing dependency, and you want to run a Debian system,
in my limited experience your simplest option is to download and install
the corresponding Debian package.  In fact I've just done this with X11 -
I deleted a /usr/X11R6 installed from the xfree86.org binaries, and
installed Debian's idea of the same thing (from potato).  Someone else 
may have a better idea, but that is a simple (if not quick) way.

If I have some program or documentation that was installed "by hand"
on a Debian Linux system, I want to install the corresponding Debian
package over the top of it and get rid of what is not Debian, to improve
the consistency, simplicity and intelligibility of the total system. 

On the other hand I wouldn't want to pollute a Slackware system with
Debian packages, for the same reason.

> I'm using very few package. Propably it's an option for me, to install
> linux from source code. My /usr/local is bigger then /usr.

Given the attitudes you seem to be expressing, I think Debian is probably
a bad fit for you.  You might be happier with Slackware.

Re: [off topic] installing linux from scratch

[J.H.M. Dassen]

On Tue, Jun 08, 1999 at 11:05:32 +0200, Armin Wegner wrote:
> Currently I'm using Debian. Debian is fine. But there is no support for
> my Riva TNT chipset in X 3.3.2.3. So I've installed version 3.3.3.1 from 
> source to /usr/local.

It's probably easier to use the 3.3.3.1 packages for slink from
http://netgod.net/x .

> dpkg is missing an option to tell it, that an package has been installed
> by hand and there is no need to install the .deb package.

Use the "equivs" package.

HTH,
Ray
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[off topic] installing linux from scratch

[Armin Wegner]

Hi,

can anybody tell where to find information on how to install linux
from c source code. 
Currently I'm using Debian. Debian is fine. But there is no support for
my Riva TNT chipset in X 3.3.2.3. So I've installed version 3.3.3.1 from 
source to /usr/local. Now there are many very anoying problems with the
dpkg dependency check, when installing application for X. dpkg won't let
me install twm without installing xbase, etc. before. 
dpkg is missing an option to tell it, that an package has been installed
by hand and there is no need to install the .deb package.

I'm using very few package. Propably it's an option for me, to install
linux from source code. My /usr/local is bigger then /usr.

Armin

Re: Help Installing Linux

[Kent West]

Andrei Ivanov wrote:
> 
> As a wild guess, how do you enter the path where your linux kernel image
> is? Hope it's not C:\Debian or whatever like that.
> You have to use block devices, such as /dev/hda(b,c,d)
> You can get information on partitioning from fdisk. For example, if C is
> /dev/hda1, then your C:\Debian becomes
> /dev/hda1/Debian
> Andrew
> 
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I believe he's using the "install.bat" file that has a line like
"loadlin linux /dev/ram initrd=root.bin". Bala, is this correct?

Make sure you're not at the C:\ prompt and entering "C:\Debian\Install";
you need to actually be in the C:\debian directory. Also, try entering
the line manually instead of running "install.bat".

Also, I've seen something similar to this when trying to run install.bat
after exitting Win95 with the "Start/Shutdown/Restart in MS-DOS Mode"
option. Try rebooting the PC and when you see "Starting Windows 95",
press the F8 key and then select "Safe Mode Command Prompt Only". Then
switch to the C:\Debian directory and run "install.bat".

Re: Help Installing Linux

[Andrei Ivanov]

As a wild guess, how do you enter the path where your linux kernel image
is? Hope it's not C:\Debian or whatever like that.
You have to use block devices, such as /dev/hda(b,c,d)
You can get information on partitioning from fdisk. For example, if C is
/dev/hda1, then your C:\Debian becomes
/dev/hda1/Debian
Andrew

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Help Installing Linux

[Bala Iyer]

I did succeed in renaming the file from Linux.htm to Linux.
I am back to from where I started. All the required files are at C:\Debian.
When I type "Install" the same message comes back. "Image file not found.
Please enter name of kernet image file followed by optional command line
parameters for Linux." Is my understading correct that the kernel image file
is Linux? Should the install have taken care of everything automatically or am
I suppose to do anything further and if so please give me the full detail as I
am very new to Linux. If there is anything wrong in downloading the files
please do let me know what and how to rectify.
Thanks.


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Help Installing Linux

[Bala Iyer]

I did succeed in changing the file name to Linux from Linux.htm
Still I am back to the same position. When on dos C\Debian (This is where all
the required files are kept) I type "Install", as suggested to me last week,I
get the same messages:  Image file not found. Please enter name of kernel
image file follwed by optional command line parameters for Linux. As I am new
to Linux, do I understand correctly that the kernal file is Linux and it is
looking for the path of that file? Should install from C:\Debian have taken
the file to load automatically? Or do I have to do anything further? If so a
detail instruction to me will be helpful. I am also not sure whether there had
been any defect in downloading the file linux or any other file required to
install from Dos on the same hard drive ? Thanks for any help.


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Help Installing Linux

[Bala Iyer]

Further to the advise of 30th March to check whether the file "linux" via
Netscape came with extension ".htm" and to save it as only Linux and not
Linux.htm. I tried to do that but could not achieve that. So I tried to
download the file (by keeping the shift key down while downloading) again and
it keeps coming with the extension "htm". I also tried with IE0.5 to download
without any success. In the Debian instructions Ch.5 (5.2) it says that some
browser may need to take special action to download directly to a file, in raw
binary mode and gives for Netscape to hold the shift key while downloading.
Can any one let me know if there are any such instruction for IE's?

Thanks again for any help.

Bala.


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Re: Help for Installing Linux

[Kent West]

Bala Iyer wrote:

> On Dos partition when I ran Install the following message came up.
> Image File not found.
> Please enter name of kernel image file follwed by optional command line
> parameters for Linux (e.g. root = ) or @file (file = param file) or "empty
> string" to abort.
> Thanks for the help.

I suspect you downloaded the "linux" file via Netscape, and it appended
an ".htm" extension on the end of the filename. Just rename the file
back to "linux" (not "linux.htm") and try again. If that's not the case,
make sure you have a "linux" file in the same directory that the
"install.bat" file is being run from.

Re: Help for Installing Linux

[Kent West]

Bala Iyer wrote:

> On Dos partition when I ran Install the following message came up.
> Image File not found.
> Please enter name of kernel image file follwed by optional command line
> parameters for Linux (e.g. root = ) or @file (file = param file) or "empty
> string" to abort.
> Thanks for the help.

I suspect you downloaded the "linux" file via Netscape, and it appended an 
".htm" extension
on the end of the filename. Just rename the file back to "linux" (not 
"linux.htm") and try
again. If that's not the case, make sure you have a "linux" file in the same 
directory that
the "install.bat" file is being run from.

Help for Installing Linux

[Bala Iyer]

On Dos partition when I ran Install the following message came up.
Image File not found.
Please enter name of kernel image file follwed by optional command line
parameters for Linux (e.g. root = ) or @file (file = param file) or "empty
string" to abort.
Thanks for the help.


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