Re: Installing X on woody
On Wed, 08 May 2002 16:11:58 -0500 D. Michael McFarland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The easy way, it now seems to me, should be to start from scratch with boot floppies from woody, skipping the brief potato phase of the installation. But as I understand it, there are no boot floppies or netinst CD images available for woody that don't suffer the configuration-stage infinite loop that's been discussed here lately, The problem is not with the boot floppies, but rather with the base-config package that is then pulled from one of the mirrors. and my attempts to circumvent it by swapping around inittab and inittab.real haven't worked (a little knowledge...). This would stop the system from starting the faulty base-config package. However, it may be helpful to install the base-config from unstable and then run it manually to finish the installation. This can be done rather easily by configuring a sources.list file listing both the testing and unstable sources, then configuring a default release version for your system such as: -- /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10default APT::Default-Release testing; then udpate your package list and pull the base-config package from unstable dselect update apt-get install base-config/unstable HTH -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing X on woody
Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, it may be helpful to install the base-config from unstable and then run it manually to finish the installation. This can be done rather easily by configuring a sources.list file listing both the testing and unstable sources, then configuring a default release version for your system such as: -- /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10default APT::Default-Release testing; then udpate your package list and pull the base-config package from unstable dselect update apt-get install base-config/unstable Sure enough, this works. Thank you. Best regards, Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing X on woody
On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 01:11:30PM -0500, D. Michael McFarland wrote: craigw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I did a net install of woody a couple days ago, using a CD I burned That's what I probably should have done. I have decided that I will never again touch dselect. Not with a ten foot pole. You couldn't pay me enough to suffer the agony and frustration of using dselect. I suppose I feel I need to master it for use in a pinch. Maybe I'm a traditionalist. Maybe a masochist. Maybe just dense. So anyways, finally, in answer to your question, here is the recipe that I used which much success for installing X: apt-get install task-gnome-apps task-gnome-desktop task-gnome-net Yes, I can see that would pick up a few dependencies. :-) But I'm not sure I want Gnome, at least not yet. I don't know, maybe I was just lucky. YMMV. The tools are impressive, to be sure, if a little daunting (and I think I know what I'm trying to do). Just gimme an evening to digest them all. You might consider posting what packages you have installed, what method you are attempting for further installation, what error messages you are getting regarding which conflicts /or depends, etc. Another response, suggesting dselect, went into enough detail that I think I can muddle through. If not, I'll be back with a more specific failure. Thanks much for your interest and advice. Another frontend to try is 'aptitude'. It's quite nice and (to me) a lot friendlier than dselect. Of course, you probably just want to get your system working first;) Goodluck. -rob pgpalU53PYczF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Installing X on woody
Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another frontend to try is 'aptitude'. It's quite nice and (to me) a lot friendlier than dselect. Of course, you probably just want to get your system working first;) The easy way, it now seems to me, should be to start from scratch with boot floppies from woody, skipping the brief potato phase of the installation. But as I understand it, there are no boot floppies or netinst CD images available for woody that don't suffer the configuration-stage infinite loop that's been discussed here lately, and my attempts to circumvent it by swapping around inittab and inittab.real haven't worked (a little knowledge...). At this point, I suppose I'll either wait for fixed boot disks to become available or give up and install potato as such for the time being. I'm not seriously complaining; certainly there are things I _could_ do if I _had_ to have that machine running Debian (or some other) Linux by nightfall. My timing is unfortunate, is all, and I should pipe down and let those who are working on the next release get on with it. I may even tackle some of the real work on the desk beside me to take my mind off Linux. Cheers, Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing X on woody
On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 11:08:11AM -0500, D. Michael McFarland wrote: Hello All, After a hiatus of about a year, I've come back to Linux and have been playing with my first careful Debian installation. Over the weekend I did a minimal net install of potato starting with the compact flavor of floppies, then used apt-get and some pointers gathered from this list to upgrade to woody. Yes, I know I'm hanging onto the leading edge by my fingertips and my timing could be better, but the machine in question isn't doing anything critical and, anyway, it's been fun. Of course, I hit a snag, or I wouldn't be posting. I didn't install XFree86 or any other X packages the first time around, thinking I'd wait and get the latest of everything once I'd switched to woody. That's turning out to be harder than I expected, with tasksel complaining about a missing x-window-system task and all my other attempts (with apt, etc.) failing for want of some component or another, usually fonts. I've googled fairly hard on this and found a few related threads, but I haven't found that one post I need: Do this, this and this and startx ought to work. A summary of the necessary steps, or pointers to documentation I might have overlooked, would be most appreciated. What response do you get for # apt-get -s install x-window-system Best regards, Michael -- D. Michael McFarland Department of Aeronautical and Astronautical Engineering University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Shaul Karl email: shaulka(replace with the at - @ - character)bezeqint.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing X on woody
Jaye Inabnit ke6sls [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of the ways I have used in the past is to simply use dselect and add something like kde, blackbox, or gnome. I've added blackbox in this way, but I'm still missing something. That will cause a bunch of dependencies, and xfree86 will be one of them. Before doing this however, you might want to first run dselect without actually selecting anything just to make sure you have all the basics that might have been missed on your install. I didn't set out to do this, but when I first ran dselect it identified a surprising number of packages I'd missed in my (evidently incomplete) initial installation. Also, make sure you have your sources properly added. If you need a copy of the addresses, let me know and I will send you my working /etc/apt/sources.list file. I'm pretty sure I have this right, but if you'd send a sources.list file by private mail I'd grateful for a known-good, current example. hth. Good luck to you. Thanks. When I look over the notes I kept on the first go-round, the changes and customizations aren't very extensive; most of the time I spent went into learning what to do. I'm thinking I may start over with a more direct net installation of woody, skipping potato altogether. Cheers, Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing X on woody
On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 10:38:08AM -0500, D. Michael McFarland wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What response do you get for # apt-get -s install x-window-system / | ness:~# apt-get -s install x-window-system | Reading Package Lists... Done | Building Dependency Tree... Done | The following extra packages will be installed: | x-window-system-core | The following NEW packages will be installed: | x-window-system x-window-system-core | 0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | Inst x-window-system-core (4.1.0-16 Debian:testing) | Inst x-window-system (4.1.0-16 Debian:testing) | Conf x-window-system-core (4.1.0-16 Debian:testing) | Conf x-window-system (4.1.0-16 Debian:testing) \ Then the output of startx begins / | ness:/etc/X11# startx | | X: unable to open wrapper config file /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config | warning: process set to nice value -1 instead of 0 as requested | | XFree86 Version 3.3.6a / X Window System \ which suggests that I have at least two problems: missing files in /etc/X11 and maybe parts of both versions 3 and 4 of XFree86 installed. As far as I know version 3 and 4 can live on the same system. Why don't you try to install the above tasks? # apt-get install x-window-system (this time without the simulation flag, -s) ? I'm starting to feel pretty sheepish about asking for help in the first place. But thanks to all who've offered advice, I have a better idea what I need to educate myself about. Michael -- Shaul Karl email: shaulka(replace with the at - @ - character)bezeqint.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Installing X on woody
Hello All, After a hiatus of about a year, I've come back to Linux and have been playing with my first careful Debian installation. Over the weekend I did a minimal net install of potato starting with the compact flavor of floppies, then used apt-get and some pointers gathered from this list to upgrade to woody. Yes, I know I'm hanging onto the leading edge by my fingertips and my timing could be better, but the machine in question isn't doing anything critical and, anyway, it's been fun. Of course, I hit a snag, or I wouldn't be posting. I didn't install XFree86 or any other X packages the first time around, thinking I'd wait and get the latest of everything once I'd switched to woody. That's turning out to be harder than I expected, with tasksel complaining about a missing x-window-system task and all my other attempts (with apt, etc.) failing for want of some component or another, usually fonts. I've googled fairly hard on this and found a few related threads, but I haven't found that one post I need: Do this, this and this and startx ought to work. A summary of the necessary steps, or pointers to documentation I might have overlooked, would be most appreciated. Best regards, Michael -- D. Michael McFarland Department of Aeronautical and Astronautical Engineering University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing X on woody
On Mon May 06, 2002 at 11:08:11AM -0500, D. Michael McFarland wrote: Hello All, After a hiatus of about a year, I've come back to Linux and have been playing with my first careful Debian installation. Over the weekend I did a minimal net install of potato starting with the compact flavor of floppies, then used apt-get and some pointers gathered from this list to upgrade to woody. Yes, I know I'm hanging onto the leading edge by my fingertips and my timing could be better, but the machine in question isn't doing anything critical and, anyway, it's been fun. Of course, I hit a snag, or I wouldn't be posting. I didn't install XFree86 or any other X packages the first time around, thinking I'd wait and get the latest of everything once I'd switched to woody. That's turning out to be harder than I expected, with tasksel complaining about a missing x-window-system task and all my other attempts (with apt, etc.) failing for want of some component or another, usually fonts. I've googled fairly hard on this and found a few related threads, but I haven't found that one post I need: Do this, this and this and startx ought to work. A summary of the necessary steps, or pointers to documentation I might have overlooked, would be most appreciated. I did a net install of woody a couple days ago, using a CD I burned from: http://people.debian.org/~ieure/netinst/releases/20020416 And I must say, debian absolutely rocks! I didn't hit a single snag, I couldn't believe how easy everthing was. I was up and running with a fully loaded system in just a few hours. And I mean loaded. Well, not bloated. I haven't install Nautilus or KDE2 yet. I have decided that I will never again touch dselect. Not with a ten foot pole. You couldn't pay me enough to suffer the agony and frustration of using dselect. I used it extensively in the past, when I was running debian-ppc on a 33 MHz Quadra 800. Maybe I don't have as much patience as I used to. Anyway, the first thing I did after base install was try to install task-c-dev using dselect. What a nightmare. I gave up and used apt-get for that and everything else. So anyways, finally, in answer to your question, here is the recipe that I used which much success for installing X: apt-get install task-gnome-apps task-gnome-desktop task-gnome-net That's it! OMigod I couldn't frikkin' believe it. I made a few choices in questions that debconf asked configuring the xserver, and that's it. No dpkg --configure this that, no apt-get -f install, no hand editing of XFree86Config. After the completion of the above command, I started X and it launched me into gnome, and even the wheel on my mouse worked. I have never seen it go so easy, except on Mandrake. I don't know, maybe I was just lucky. YMMV. You might consider posting what packages you have installed, what method you are attempting for further installation, what error messages you are getting regarding which conflicts /or depends, etc. -- -CraigW -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing X on woody
Andrew Agno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've never used tasksel, but my install of X went fine using dselect to select xfree86-common, xserver-common and xserver-xfree86; I expect that most everything else got pulled in automatically. Andrew. Yes, that's the sort of hint I needed. I'm going to need some time to dig into dselect, because it looks like dselect believes I'm missing a raft of stuff (and it's probably right), but thanks for the boost. I should be able to get some traction now. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing X on woody
craigw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I did a net install of woody a couple days ago, using a CD I burned That's what I probably should have done. I have decided that I will never again touch dselect. Not with a ten foot pole. You couldn't pay me enough to suffer the agony and frustration of using dselect. I suppose I feel I need to master it for use in a pinch. Maybe I'm a traditionalist. Maybe a masochist. Maybe just dense. So anyways, finally, in answer to your question, here is the recipe that I used which much success for installing X: apt-get install task-gnome-apps task-gnome-desktop task-gnome-net Yes, I can see that would pick up a few dependencies. :-) But I'm not sure I want Gnome, at least not yet. I don't know, maybe I was just lucky. YMMV. The tools are impressive, to be sure, if a little daunting (and I think I know what I'm trying to do). Just gimme an evening to digest them all. You might consider posting what packages you have installed, what method you are attempting for further installation, what error messages you are getting regarding which conflicts /or depends, etc. Another response, suggesting dselect, went into enough detail that I think I can muddle through. If not, I'll be back with a more specific failure. Thanks much for your interest and advice. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing X on woody
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 06 May 2002 09:08 am, D. Michael McFarland wrote: Hello All, After a hiatus of about a year, I've come back to Linux and have been playing with my first careful Debian installation. Over the weekend I did a minimal net install of potato starting with the compact flavor of floppies, then used apt-get and some pointers gathered from this list to upgrade to woody. Yes, I know I'm hanging onto the leading edge by my fingertips and my timing could be better, but the machine in question isn't doing anything critical and, anyway, it's been fun. Of course, I hit a snag, or I wouldn't be posting. I didn't install XFree86 or any other X packages the first time around, thinking I'd wait and get the latest of everything once I'd switched to woody. That's turning out to be harder than I expected, with tasksel complaining about a missing x-window-system task and all my other attempts (with apt, etc.) failing for want of some component or another, usually fonts. Greetings Michael: One of the ways I have used in the past is to simply use dselect and add something like kde, blackbox, or gnome. That will cause a bunch of dependencies, and xfree86 will be one of them. Before doing this however, you might want to first run dselect without actually selecting anything just to make sure you have all the basics that might have been missed on your install. Also, make sure you have your sources properly added. If you need a copy of the addresses, let me know and I will send you my working /etc/apt/sources.list file. hth. Good luck to you. tatah - -- Jaye Inabnit\ARS ke6sls\/A GNU-Debian linux user\/ http://www.qsl.net/ke6sls If it's stupid, but works, it ain't stupid. I SHOUT JUST FOR FUN. Free software, in a free world, for a free spirit. Please Support freedom! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE81zVvZHBxKsta6kMRApPKAJ9aV2tPMh9YFn7BX6JXlsM7WWxDYQCgrsac ht1oU7njrmvCwhLLCQkPz0k= =y/Gf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
