Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:21:48 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: I downloaded a 770MB file titled debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso . Burned a DVD.Got some surprises : (...) You will get what you expect if you grab the ISO file from Debian site. Other sites can be hosting different flavours/spins which have nothing to do with the official Debian images. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jg6l9g$n8f$4...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
On Friday 27 January 2012 02:48:07 Scott Ferguson wrote: ; ADRIANE (a truly astonishing work). Yes, brilliant. :-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201201281433.44242.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
On Jo, 26 ian 12, 22:03:01, Tom H wrote: I don't know why Debian's chosen not to include NM on its LXDE Live CD but it's just a apt-get update apt-get install network-manager away for your corner case. One of the goals of Debian Live is to use as much as possible unmodified packages (and integrate the modifications in the packages where needed). For this particular case it means that the content of the LXDE flavour are determined by the LXDE task (and its maintainers), not by the Live developers. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
Scott Ferguson wrote: On 25/01/12 06:21, Richard Owlett wrote: I downloaded a 770MB file titled debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso . Burned a DVD.Got some surprises : [SNIP] there is no app for configuring a possible connection to the internet. Launcher: In addition to text and GUI install options in the boot menu, the desktop flavors contain a launcher on the desktop that can be used to install while running the live image. But that's not relevant. I am not ready to commit to installing yet. I wish to verify that in can operate with my hardware. Specifically connect to internet via my USB Analog Modem (it's *NOT* a winmodem ;) You later define a live CD as containing ... a live environment so people can test hardware support before installing ... My very first test is: Can the live system *AS DELIVERED* connect to the internet? This distro (debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso) evidently fails. And evidently fails no matter how the internet is connected. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f217cfa.1050...@pcnetinc.com
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
Umarzuki Mochlis wrote: Yes. A so-called live CD, or more precisely, a live system, is a complete system prepared for a CD, DVD, USB key or other medium. _*You*_ do not need to install anything on the hard drive. Instead you boot from the CD or other medium and _*are able to start working on the machine right away*_. All programs run directly from the medium. sir, you probably had a bad day and mistakenly downloaded the lxde (for its smaller size) You are ~50% correct ;) I wasn't having a bad day until after spending two hours at local library using their high speed connection (high relative to what I have at home via 56k modem). I indeed chose lxde over gnome primarily on size. Secondarily I'd seen it on Ubuntu 10.10 and thought it ugly. In any case, lxde itself is not the problem. both salix and porteus offer lxde *AND* internet connectivity in a smaller package. as everyone suggested, use the gnome version instead which can be get from http://live.debian.net/archive/images/6.0.3/i386/iso-hybrid/ it the debian-live-6.0.3-i386-gnome-desktop.iso http://live.debian.net/archive/images/6.0.3/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.3-i386-gnome-desktop.iso file and do make sure the MD5SUM is correct before burning it to a DVD (it's a 1.1 GB file) -- Regards, Umarzuki Mochlis http://debmal.my -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f218028.10...@pcnetinc.com
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
On Thursday 26 January 2012 16:19:06 Richard Owlett wrote: Scott Ferguson wrote: On 25/01/12 06:21, Richard Owlett wrote: I downloaded a 770MB file titled debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso . Burned a DVD.Got some surprises : [SNIP] there is no app for configuring a possible connection to the internet. Launcher: In addition to text and GUI install options in the boot menu, the desktop flavors contain a launcher on the desktop that can be used to install while running the live image. But that's not relevant. I am not ready to commit to installing yet. I wish to verify that in can operate with my hardware. Specifically connect to internet via my USB Analog Modem (it's *NOT* a winmodem ;) You later define a live CD as containing ... a live environment so people can test hardware support before installing ... My very first test is: Can the live system *AS DELIVERED* connect to the internet? This distro (debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso) evidently fails. And evidently fails no matter how the internet is connected. Knoppix, the non-pareil of Lice CDs, that I have used for some 7 years now (I try other things, but always come back to Knoppix) doesn't immediately connect to the Internet, you have to set up networking. Doing so is a doddle. I simply don't see it as a problem. (I haven't used a Live CD recently, and am having optical drive problems, so I may be out of date.) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201201261848.48633.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
Scott Ferguson wrote: On 25/01/12 06:21, Richard Owlett wrote: I downloaded a 770MB file titled debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso . Burned a DVD. Got some surprises : [SNIP] there is no app for configuring a possible connection to the internet. There should be. Has been on the several LiveCDs with the LXDE desktop I've tested. Launcher: In addition to text and GUI install options in the boot menu, the desktop flavors contain a launcher on the desktop that can be used to install while running the live image. But that's not relevant. I am not ready to commit to installing yet. I wish to verify that in can operate with my hardware. Specifically connect to internet via my USB Analog Modem (it's *NOT* a winmodem ;) Modem? As in dial up? That requires manually setting up the network connection. With LXDE, in the menus somewhere, there's its control panel for all (or most all) configurations usually with a nice wizard to help you. You later define a live CD as containing ... a live environment so people can test hardware support before installing ... My very first test is: Can the live system *AS DELIVERED* connect to the internet? Yes. But not automatically, unless you have a wired Ethernet connection. Any other configuration wireless, dial up, requires manually entering the numbers. Might even require installing the appropriate driver, if it's not on the LiveCD. This distro (debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso) evidently fails. And evidently fails no matter how the internet is connected. Perhaps, the iso was damaged during the download or burning. Did you checksum it? Both the downloaded iso and the CD after burning? Also, did you read the instructions? Linux isn't Windows. And doesn't work like Windows either. There is a learning curve. A fairly steep one. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1327611216.53143.yahoomail...@web160304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:19:06 -0600, Richard wrote in message 4f217cfa.1050...@pcnetinc.com: Scott Ferguson wrote: On 25/01/12 06:21, Richard Owlett wrote: I downloaded a 770MB file titled debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso . Burned a DVD.Got some surprises : [SNIP] there is no app for configuring a possible connection to the internet. Launcher: In addition to text and GUI install options in the boot menu, the desktop flavors contain a launcher on the desktop that can be used to install while running the live image. But that's not relevant. I am not ready to commit to installing yet. I wish to verify that in can operate with my hardware. Specifically connect to internet via my USB Analog Modem (it's *NOT* a winmodem ;) ..no? ;o) Show us root's output of 'lsusb -vvv'. ;o) (To become root, 'sudo su - ', or some such stunt, there may even be a root's password hint on your live image.) You later define a live CD as containing ... a live environment so people can test hardware support before installing ... My very first test is: Can the live system *AS DELIVERED* connect to the internet? This distro (debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso) evidently fails. And evidently fails no matter how the internet is connected. ..maybe. Become root and do 'dmesg /tmp/dhimmi ', then plug in your alleged non-winmodem and let it do all its beepy blinky things, before doing 'dmesg /tmp/dulluh ', and then you're ready (or not) for 'diff -u /tmp/dhimmi /tmp/dulluh |less ' to see what happened, if you don't understand your diff read, post the output of 'diff -u /tmp/dhimmi /tmp/dulluh /tmp/dimwit ' by attaching the /tmp/dimwit file you created above. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120126220454.7f61c...@nb6.lan
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
On Jo, 26 ian 12, 10:19:06, Richard Owlett wrote: But that's not relevant. I am not ready to commit to installing yet. I wish to verify that in can operate with my hardware. Specifically connect to internet via my USB Analog Modem (it's *NOT* a winmodem ;) You later define a live CD as containing ... a live environment so people can test hardware support before installing ... My very first test is: Can the live system *AS DELIVERED* connect to the internet? The canonical way to setup the internet on Debian is via /etc/network/interfaces. For dial-up you will need pppconfig, which is not included in a default install. Network Manager (included with the Gnome variant) might be able to do it, but I can't tell. This distro (debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso) evidently fails. And evidently fails no matter how the internet is connected. No, connecting via ethernet is trivial and might be already setup to work if DHCP is available (I don't know and am too lazy to check). Other live CDs may include own tools to connect. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 26 January 2012 16:19:06 Richard Owlett wrote: Scott Ferguson wrote: On 25/01/12 06:21, Richard Owlett wrote: I downloaded a 770MB file titled debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso . Burned a DVD.Got some surprises : there is no app for configuring a possible connection to the internet. My very first test is: Can the live system *AS DELIVERED* connect to the internet? This distro (debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso) evidently fails. And evidently fails no matter how the internet is connected. Knoppix, the non-pareil of Lice CDs, that I have used for some 7 years now (I try other things, but always come back to Knoppix) doesn't immediately connect to the Internet, you have to set up networking. Doing so is a doddle. I simply don't see it as a problem. (I haven't used a Live CD recently, and am having optical drive problems, so I may be out of date.) To Lisi: I don't really see the advantage of Knoppix of the Live CDs of Debian/Fedora/Ubuntu in any of the four DE flavors. It's just a question of habit and preference. To the OP: I writing this email using a Debian LXDE Live CD with the same name as yours. It connected to the internet automatically at boot... It doesn't have Network Manager installed so your requirement to connect to internet via my USB Analog Modem doesn't have a GUI. I don't know why Debian's chosen not to include NM on its LXDE Live CD but it's just a apt-get update apt-get install network-manager away for your corner case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=swhmp+tgoxel7ly_tyrftixgo_yk7ayuaqbmvyrybv...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
On Thursday 26 January 2012 22:03:01 Tom H wrote: To Lisi: I don't really see the advantage of Knoppix of the Live CDs of Debian/Fedora/Ubuntu in any of the four DE flavors. It's just a question of habit and preference. Yes, I like it better. In the past it was generally accepted as the best, and I still like it better. Yes, that may be habit and preference. But I don't think any reasonable person could accuse Knoppix of not being a live CD, and I usually have to tell it to start the network. This is trivial to do, and I like it because it means that I can set up a static connection. And it really is exceptionally good at hardware recognition. I frequently log on to the command line in Knoppix. But I have got a lot of tools on the same CD. Debian tends to require that you choose what you want to do and select the appropriate CD. But I don't want to start a flame war. My distro is better that your distro so yah, boo! Each to his or her own. That is what I like so much about Linux, or rather, FLOSS in general. You get to choose!! I am not required to fit into a one-size-fits-all mold. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201201262233.58204.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
On 27/01/12 09:33, Lisi wrote: On Thursday 26 January 2012 22:03:01 Tom H wrote: To Lisi: I don't really see the advantage of Knoppix of the Live CDs of Debian/Fedora/Ubuntu in any of the four DE flavors. It's just a question of habit and preference. Yes, I like it better. In the past it was generally accepted as the best It was the first Live CD AFAIK. (I don't know if Klaus reads this list - he posted on a debian list this morning though) snipped But I don't want to start a flame war. It would be a silly flame war ;-p See reasons at:- debian-knop...@lists.debian.org :-D In some instances Knoppix has advantages over the pure Debian Live CDs, the main ones being:- ; kudzu hardware detection (http://wiki.debian.org/HardwareAutodetection) ; ADRIANE (a truly astonishing work). snipped Lisi Cheers -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ NOTE: new update available for Debian Buttons (New button for querying Debian Developer Package):- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/debian-buttons/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f221067.1070...@gmail.com
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
On 27/01/12 03:19, Richard Owlett wrote: Scott Ferguson wrote: On 25/01/12 06:21, Richard Owlett wrote: I downloaded a 770MB file titled debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso . Burned a DVD.Got some surprises : [SNIP] there is no app for configuring a possible connection to the internet. ? Launcher: In addition to text and GUI install options in the boot menu, the desktop flavors contain a launcher on the desktop that can be used to install while running the live image. But that's not relevant. You were asked not to troll. Intentionally or otherwise. I am not ready to commit to installing yet. Theirs installing to a live CD, and installing to a hard drive. There is a difference. I wish to verify that in can operate with my hardware. Specifically connect to internet via my USB Analog Modem (it's *NOT* a winmodem ;) Please let me know when you can find any OS that will read your mind for the information required to connect with a modem. There really is no excuse for not reading the documentation - or shortage of other venues for you to troll at. You later define a live CD as containing ... a live environment so people can test hardware support before installing ... My very first test is: Can the live system *AS DELIVERED* connect to the internet? This distro (debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso) evidently fails. And evidently fails no matter how the internet is connected. There's a failure all right. It's systemic, but it's not CD based. Cheers -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ NOTE: new update available for Debian Buttons (New button for querying Debian Developer Package):- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/debian-buttons/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f22121d.2090...@gmail.com
Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
I downloaded a 770MB file titled debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso . Burned a DVD.Got some surprises : Inspite of http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#live-cd stating in part: Is a Debian live CD available? Yes. A so-called live CD, or more precisely, a live system, is a complete system prepared for a CD, DVD, USB key or other medium. _*You*_ do not need to install anything on the hard drive. Instead you boot from the CD or other medium and _*are able to start working on the machine right away*_. All programs run directly from the medium. Evidently start working right away means using an open office app. [a suite that is irrelevant for me] Not only is there no way to connect to internet, there is no app for configuring a possible connection to the internet. The second unkind surprise arrived when I popped the DVD into tray of an operating Windows(tm) machine after inviting me to blindly install. It triggered my browser bringing up README.txt which said in part: About This Disc === This disc is labeled Debian GNU/Linux squeeze-di-rc2 Squeeze - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20110121-20:12 It contains programs (binaries) for `i386' computers. This disc is a _*netinst image*_. ! ? That's what Debian can do with 750MB ? There is massive communication failure as other links internal to debian.org lead to a netinst image of ~150MB. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f1f04cc.7030...@pcnetinc.com
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
On Ma, 24 ian 12, 13:21:48, Richard Owlett wrote: I downloaded a 770MB file titled debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso . Burned a DVD.Got some surprises : ... Evidently start working right away means using an open office app. [a suite that is irrelevant for me] Not only is there no way to connect to internet, there is no app for configuring a possible connection to the internet. LXDE is a lightweight desktop environment and doesn't include a network management software. You probably want the Gnome version instead. The second unkind surprise arrived when I popped the DVD into tray of an operating Windows(tm) machine after inviting me to blindly install. It triggered my browser bringing up README.txt which said in part: [...] Could you please post the link where you downloaded the image? Even better if you can also provide a checksum (md5, sha...). Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
Richard Owlett schreef: I downloaded a 770MB file titled debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso . Burned a DVD. Got some surprises : Inspite of http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#live-cd stating in part: Is a Debian live CD available? Yes. A so-called live CD, or more precisely, a live system, is a complete system prepared for a CD, DVD, USB key or other medium. _*You*_ do not need to install anything on the hard drive. Instead you boot from the CD or other medium and _*are able to start working on the machine right away*_. All programs run directly from the medium. Evidently start working right away means using an open office app. [a suite that is irrelevant for me] Not only is there no way to connect to internet, there is no app for configuring a possible connection to the internet. The second unkind surprise arrived when I popped the DVD into tray of an operating Windows(tm) machine after inviting me to blindly install. It triggered my browser bringing up README.txt which said in part: About This Disc === This disc is labeled Debian GNU/Linux squeeze-di-rc2 Squeeze - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20110121-20:12 It contains programs (binaries) for `i386' computers. This disc is a _*netinst image*_. ! ? That's what Debian can do with 750MB ? There is massive communication failure as other links internal to debian.org lead to a netinst image of ~150MB. is this a troll/ are you trolling? steef -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f1f2860.5060...@home.nl
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
On 25/01/12 06:21, Richard Owlett wrote: I downloaded a 770MB file titled debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso . Burned a DVD.Got some surprises : Inspite of http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#live-cd stating in part: Consider reading all the FAQ - instead of just part. If you're going to nit pick you will get surprises. Is a Debian live CD available? Yes. A so-called live CD, or more precisely, a live system, is a complete system prepared for a CD, DVD, USB key or other medium. _*You*_ do not need to install anything on the hard drive. Instead you boot from the CD or other medium and _*are able to start working on the machine right away*_. All programs run directly from the medium. Every word of which is true. Evidently start working right away means using an open office app. [a suite that is irrelevant for me] It won't make toasted sandwiches either, or make you smarter. Not only is there no way to connect to internet, Please don't troll - we don't go to your favourite Windows XP phorums making up complaints. there is no app for configuring a possible connection to the internet. Launcher: In addition to text and GUI install options in the boot menu, the desktop flavors contain a launcher on the desktop that can be used to install while running the live image. Flavors: The live images come in flavors, four providing the desktop environments GNOME, KDE, LXDE and Xfce, and two text console flavors: rescue and standard. Many users will find these initial package selections suitable, installing any additional packages they need from the network afterwards. The second unkind surprise arrived when I popped the DVD into tray of an operating Windows(tm) machine after inviting me to blindly install. It triggered my browser bringing up README.txt which said in part: About This Disc === This disc is labeled Debian GNU/Linux squeeze-di-rc2 Squeeze - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20110121-20:12 It contains programs (binaries) for `i386' computers. This disc is a _*netinst image*_. ! ? Make up your mind - either you're complaining that despite your refusal to fully *read* the documentation you were short changed on features - or your complaining that *additional* features like the installer is also a complaint. That's what Debian can do with 750MB ? Stuffed a disk full of documentation for those willing to read as well as a live environment so people can test hardware support before installing *and* install additional packages using the built-in *network* support. There is massive communication failure Agreed. as other links internal to debian.org lead to a netinst image of ~150MB. Yes. *Only* the netinst.iso. Was there a valid question in your massive rant? Cheers -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ NOTE: new update available for Debian Buttons (New button for querying Debian Developer Package):- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/debian-buttons/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f1f2f47.7050...@gmail.com
Re: Just what does _DEBIAN_ mean by live
Yes. A so-called live CD, or more precisely, a live system, is a complete system prepared for a CD, DVD, USB key or other medium. _*You*_ do not need to install anything on the hard drive. Instead you boot from the CD or other medium and _*are able to start working on the machine right away*_. All programs run directly from the medium. sir, you probably had a bad day and mistakenly downloaded the lxde (for its smaller size) as everyone suggested, use the gnome version instead which can be get from http://live.debian.net/archive/images/6.0.3/i386/iso-hybrid/ it the debian-live-6.0.3-i386-gnome-desktop.isohttp://live.debian.net/archive/images/6.0.3/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.3-i386-gnome-desktop.iso file and do make sure the MD5SUM is correct before burning it to a DVD (it's a 1.1 GB file) -- Regards, Umarzuki Mochlis http://debmal.my
