Re: Karsten's browser reviews (updated)
Last time I've checked, this deb-url contained galeon and ximian packages of mozilla. They use a strange numbering scheme for the libnspr4 package and are never uptodate. Take the deb of galeon and install it with "dpkg -i galeon.deb". NB: galeon won't work with mozilla0.9 from kitame. You need to keep your old 0.8.1 or you need to download the deb source add the attached patch in the sub-directory pstream/patches/ and rebuild it. If you are under unstable (aka sid), you can download the resulting package at http://christophe.barbe.online.fr/download/ Christophe On Tue, 22 May 2001 21:10:57 Kai Weber wrote: > + Karsten M. Self : > > > > Where did you get your .deb's from? The links on the website seem to > be > > > dead! > > > > > > Craig > > > > Mozilla I'm getting through the standard Debian packages. > > > > Galeon I downloaded from ftp.sourceforge.net: > > > > ftp://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/sourceforge/galeon/ > > > > ...currently looks like: galeon_0.10.5-1.mozilla.0.8.1_i386.deb > > Are there any experiences with the moziall builds from > http://pandora.debian.org/~kitame/mozilla/? When I use the apt-line from > above (ftp://ftp.sourceforge...) I get the following: > > $ apt-get dist-upgrade -u -d > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree... Done > Calculating Upgrade... Done > The following packages will be REMOVED: > galeon mozilla nautilus-mozilla > The following packages will be upgraded > libnspr4 libpgsql2.1 > 2 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 3 to remove and 0 not > upgraded. > > There will be the nautilus-moziall package be deinstalled. That is not > what I want! But my current Galeon version > from http://people.debian.org/~btb/src/galeon has some problems. Nobody > is planing an official and BTS-able debian package? > > Kai. > -- > k a i w e b e r | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >w w w | http://www.glorybox.de/ > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Christophe Barbé Software Engineer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lineo France - Lineo High Availability Group 42-46, rue Médéric - 92110 Clichy - France phone (33).1.41.40.02.12 - fax (33).1.41.40.02.01 http://www.lineo.com
Re: Karsten's browser reviews (updated)
+ Karsten M. Self : > > Where did you get your .deb's from? The links on the website seem to be > > dead! > > > > Craig > > Mozilla I'm getting through the standard Debian packages. > > Galeon I downloaded from ftp.sourceforge.net: > > ftp://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/sourceforge/galeon/ > > ...currently looks like: galeon_0.10.5-1.mozilla.0.8.1_i386.deb Are there any experiences with the moziall builds from http://pandora.debian.org/~kitame/mozilla/? When I use the apt-line from above (ftp://ftp.sourceforge...) I get the following: $ apt-get dist-upgrade -u -d Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Calculating Upgrade... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: galeon mozilla nautilus-mozilla The following packages will be upgraded libnspr4 libpgsql2.1 2 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 3 to remove and 0 not upgraded. There will be the nautilus-moziall package be deinstalled. That is not what I want! But my current Galeon version from http://people.debian.org/~btb/src/galeon has some problems. Nobody is planing an official and BTS-able debian package? Kai. -- k a i w e b e r | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] w w w | http://www.glorybox.de/
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On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 11:14:54AM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > "Karsten M. Self" wrote: > > > Mozilla I'm getting through the standard Debian packages. > > It hasn't changed version since stable. Is that okay? > No need for anything newer? you need at least 0.8, 0.9 is much better though. > http://galeon.sourceforge.net/download.html says we need the > mozilla devel package from > http://www.debian.jp.or/~kitame/mozilla/, a link which is wrong, > which I traced to: > > http://non-us.debian.org/~kitame/mozilla/mozilla-dev_0.9-0.0.3_i386.deb .jp.or works fine for me. but yes you need to install mozilla-dev, mozilla, and nspr-dev, nspr. > I see only rpm files and tar.gz files there. The download page > says to look in ftp://galeon.ufies.org/pub/galeon/debian but that > link is dead. there are not debian packages for galeon. every so often one appears there but i would never use it, because i don't think its made by a real debian developer. (which usually means someone just aliened an rpm which is no good at all).. i just compile galeon from source, which is quite easy when you have the above packages installed (also install a few gnome-dev stuff) ./configure && make && su -c 'make install' installs into /usr/local very nicely (unlike mozilla). if at some point debian packages galeon correctly, you can run make uninstall to remove it from /usr/local. this arrangment works quite well for me, i compile kitame's mozilla packages on my potato box, i compiled most of the gnome source packages from sid on my potato box (galeon needs newer gnome then what potato has) then i install galeon from source. i make it a policy to never use unoffical debs, mozilla being the only [halfway] exception since mozilla is next to impossible to install into /usr/local correctly (read not windows style in /usr/local/mozilla). kitame's packages are real debian packages that are in potato, just upgrades mozilla to the current version. i imagine galeon will not get packaged for debian until mozilla is packaged for debian (mozilla m18 does not count). -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgp3qKTOFe7I2.pgp Description: PGP signature
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GCC? gzip? gopher? :) On Tue, 15 May 2001, will trillich wrote: >i've never tried galeon, but i have an opinion: who'd wanna >browse with software having "G" as a first initial? eesh! > >:) > > -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Who is John Galt? Failure is not an option. It comes bundled with your Microsoft product. -- Ferenc Mantfeld
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on Tue, May 15, 2001 at 11:20:50AM -0400, Noah L. Meyerhans ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 08:34:22PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > > > I might add that I'm quite pleased with Galeon. > > > > After reading your review and seeing the screeshot (are those tabs what > I think they are???) If you think they're other windows that I'm browsing at the same time, which I switch to by selecting a tab, yes, they are. Actually, it's slightly nicer than that. - You can set default to open new tabs beneath current. Makes it easy to open a series of links off a page and have them download in background. - You can open all bookmarks within a folder. In tabbed mode, this opens a series of tabs with new windows. My morning news fix is about 17 sites that I like to hit. One click gets 'em all, I can then pick stories from the page, open these (backgrounded) and close them as I go through 'em. Tabs are quite nice. Skipstone has tabs, but not a tab lable width limit (bitch for long titles) or the bookmark features. > I decided I had to try it. I changed my mind when I saw that it > depends on GNOME crap. Can't I install a browser without installing a > fscking "desktop environment"? Yes. You can install Galeon without installing a desktop environment. First, lets look at those deps. I've listed GNOME libs below -- there are no non-library GNOME components required. Sizes in KB. Package Size Description --- gconf1084 GNOME configuration database system. (daemon and tools) libgconf11328 GNOME configuration database system libraries libgnome-vfs01824 The GNOME virtual file-system libraries libgnome32131 The Gnome libraries libgnomesupport0 40 The Gnome libraries (Support libraries) libgnomeui32 961 The Gnome libraries (User Interface) libgnorba2785 Gnome CORBA services liborbit0 572 Libraries for ORBit - a CORBA ORB libxml1 436 GNOME XML library liboaf0 168 The GNOME Object Activation Framework. oaf 564 The GNOME Object Activation Framework. libglade-gnome086 Library to load .glade files at runtime (Gnome widgets support) libglade0 119 Library to load .glade files at runtime That's abount 6.4 MB of tools, most of which are shared among other applications, and several of which are not GNOME specific. You should be able to install Galeon w/o a full GNOME desktop installation (though I've got GNOME installed largely of the purposes of testing and showing off how GNU/Linux can appear). My primary desktop is WindowMaker, and I don't particularly care for either the GNOME or KDE environments. I've no need to run any Gnome apps or software (as opposed to library) components. Galeon doesn't call up any GNOME applications, it doesn't do things behind my back, and I don't have to invoke GNOME apps to configure it. What it provides is GNOME *enablement* without GNOME *dependency*, in the sense of requiring the entire desktop environment be locked into GNOME mode. I've discussed GNOME deps with the Galeon developers previously. I don't believe that deep linking of functionality is a win, we've been through this over the 1990s with Microsoft -- and I say as much in my browser description page. If you can stifle your revulsion of all things GNOME for a few moments, I believe you'll find that Galeon really is quite the slick little unit. While alternatives exist -- notably Mozilla, Konqueror, and Skipstone, each carries its own cross. Mozilla has its own broken interdependencies, Konqueror is as much dependent on the base KDE libraries (largely Qt) as Galeon is on GNOME. Skipstone has neither the bloat nor the dependencies, but it offers a small fraction of the functionality. TANSTAAFL. > Guess I'll stick with mozilla. Be my guest, but understand what you're missing. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgp1Iv9p7bOM9.pgp Description: PGP signature
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on Tue, May 15, 2001 at 07:15:48PM -0500, John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Karsten M. Self writes: > > Version? Of both Galeon and Mozilla. > > 0.8.3 and M18-3. > > There's no point in persuing this further, though. Your option. Be aware that the issues you have are addressed in more recent builds. I'd suggest you keep tabs on Galeon development. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpcf8ELnyLO8.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 09:00:49PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Hall Stevenson writes: > > ...you've pretty indicated that *nothing* will satisfy you, even a browser > > you've never tried. > > ??? What's your problem? oh goody, a flame war! i can't wait to see what productive traffic THIS generates. -- DEBIAN NEWBIE TIP #1 from Will Trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : Looking to use your Debian machine as a FIREWALL? No problem! Try "apt-get install ipmasq"... After you've got your /etc/network/interfaces file set up properly, ipmasq will save you lots of work, setting up firewall and routing tables automatically. Also see http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/ ...
Re: Karsten's browser reviews (updated)
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 02:55:35AM -0700, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > on Tue, May 15, 2001 at 02:20:19PM +0800, ha shao ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > I am not. Try use it with 64MB of RAM > > Doing same. > > Galeon's running with about 17 tabs open. I'm starting to cut into > swap. OK, when system "find"s start running from cron, things start to > bog down a bit. I am not using the tabs things. Switching between windows are nightmare. Maybe tabs are a lot better. > > Just out of curiosity, why do you only have 64 M on the box? Memory's > cheap, and even old-style DIMMS aren't too bad if you're looking to go > to 96-128MB worth. > Yes, I am gonna get 128MB more. But the fact is if IE5.5 under win2k and netscape 4.77 under linux2.2.19 run fine with 64MB, 128MB should not be a requircy. Since web browsers are the most memory hungry beast on my box. > > 02:44:48 up 14 min, 5 users, load average: 2.08, 1.53, 0.87 > 102 processes: 100 sleeping, 2 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped > CPU states: 1.4% user, 6.7% system, 0.2% nice, 91.7% idle > Mem: 63228K total,61784K used, 1444K free, 2540K buffers > Swap: 497972K total,91888K used, 406084K free,20388K cached > You do notice that 91MB swap was used. When it starts swapping with 90MB, It gotta be slow. And normally, mozilla and relatives are the only things that cause swap in that scale. -- Best regard hashao
Re: Karsten's browser reviews (updated)
Hall Stevenson writes: > ...you've pretty indicated that *nothing* will satisfy you, even a browser > you've never tried. ??? What's your problem? -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI
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* John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010515 20:29]: > Karsten M. Self writes: > > Version? Of both Galeon and Mozilla. > > 0.8.3 and M18-3. > > There's no point in persuing this further, though. Just stick with Netscape Navigator/Communicator... you've pretty indicated that *nothing* will satisfy you, even a browser you've never tried. Hall
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On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:36:42PM -0400, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote: > On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 11:22:29AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > > noah writes: > > > I changed my mind when I saw that it depends on GNOME crap. Can't I > > > install a browser without installing a fscking "desktop environment"? > > > > Yes. Galeon, for example. "Gnome libraries" != "Gnome desktop > > environment". > > Not in my book. I'm not about to install "libglade (wich is used to > build the interface), libxml and every other standard gnome > library" (quote from the galeon INSTALL file) just to get a browser. > Even if it is a good browser. Neither of those libraries are GNOME specific. Shouldn't knock GNOME people or others for trying to use portable reusable libraries. In theory, it makes multiplatform support for complex applications much easier (and robust!). -- Eric G. Miller
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Karsten M. Self writes: > Version? Of both Galeon and Mozilla. 0.8.3 and M18-3. There's no point in persuing this further, though. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI
Re: Karsten's browser reviews (updated)
on Tue, May 15, 2001 at 11:14:54AM -0400, Peter S Galbraith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > "Karsten M. Self" wrote: > > > Mozilla I'm getting through the standard Debian packages. > > It hasn't changed version since stable. Is that okay? > No need for anything newer? > > http://galeon.sourceforge.net/download.html says we need the > mozilla devel package from > http://www.debian.jp.or/~kitame/mozilla/, a link which is wrong, > which I traced to: > > http://non-us.debian.org/~kitame/mozilla/mozilla-dev_0.9-0.0.3_i386.deb > > Is that needed or not? > > Thanks. > > > Galeon I downloaded from ftp.sourceforge.net: > > > > ftp://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/sourceforge/galeon/ > > > > ...currently looks like: galeon_0.10.5-1.mozilla.0.8.1_i386.deb > > I see only rpm files and tar.gz files there. The download page > says to look in ftp://galeon.ufies.org/pub/galeon/debian but that > link is dead. I tried the link as posted, see galeon_0.10.5-1.mozilla.0.8.1_i386.deb there doing 'ls *.deb' in lftp. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpS1bVNiQuZL.pgp Description: PGP signature
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on Tue, May 15, 2001 at 06:17:10AM -0400, geordie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, 14 May 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > > I've updated my review of GNU/Linux web browsing alternatives, largely > > in light of recent advances by the Mozilla and Galeon teams. I'm > > looking for feedback, particularly on anything I might have missed. > > > > http://home.netcom.com/GNU/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html > > > > I might add that I'm quite pleased with Galeon. > > > > Cheers. > > from the konqueror review: > > Con: > > KDE dependencies. Difficulties and/or issues running > independently of KDE. These are subsiding with time -- a recent > Debian upgrade, and cleaning out of some conflicting KDE package > source servers has given me a working KDE installation. I still > find the total desktop environment to be annoying and bloated on > my aging (but recently invigorated) PPro-180/256MB home system. > Running Konqueror under WindowMaker, my preferred desktop, > results in some annoying font and display choices which aren't > readily addressable through WindowMaker. > > > it seems to run fine under fvwm. the major beef i have with it is > regular crashes with https. Font settings dialogs are not as clean as the Galeon/Gtk equivalents. I can't set menu/dialog fonts without going through the KDE configuration tool. I believe the same beef applies to Galeon, but I've recently set my GNOME prefs and they've stuck. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpBNue9Ppr69.pgp Description: PGP signature
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on Tue, May 15, 2001 at 06:15:40PM -0500, John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Karsten M. Self writes: > > >Settings / Preferences / Advanced / Filtering / Cookie Manager > > > ...brings up a Persistent Data Manger dialog with options for: > > There is no 'Filtering' under ' Settings / Preferences / Advanced'. There > is under 'Browsing', but it offers no relevant choices. Version? Of both Galeon and Mozilla. - Gnome galeon 0.10.5 - Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; GNU/Linux 2.2.18pre21 i686; en-US; 0.8.1; Debian GNU), build 2001041221 Cheers. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpNywFizWtHw.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Karsten M. Self writes: >Settings / Preferences / Advanced / Filtering / Cookie Manager > ...brings up a Persistent Data Manger dialog with options for: There is no 'Filtering' under ' Settings / Preferences / Advanced'. There is under 'Browsing', but it offers no relevant choices. > You're right about there not being a load images button by default, but > with detachable menus, you can get the load/don't load images buttons > where you want them, and hit a page reload. Baffle. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, Wisconsin
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on Tue, May 15, 2001 at 07:36:57AM -0500, John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I wrote: > > It still crashes, and it [Galeon] still gives me no control of images. > > Karsten M. Self writes: > > What image controls do you want? > > Netscape lets me turn off images in "preferences" and then click on > individual image icons to download them. It also has an images command to > download all the images on a page. With Galeon it's all or nothing. > > > There is an option to restrict images to the current site,... > > At 28.8 that isn't good enough. > > > ...as well as an image manager similar to Mozilla's. > > I don't know what you mean (there is, of course, no documentation). Settings / Preferences / Advanced / Filtering / Cookie Manager ...brings up a Persistent Data Manger dialog with options for: - Cookies - Cookie Sites - Image Sites - Passwords - Password Sites ...not all the access hooks are built in yet, but the functionality's there. You're right about there not being a load images button by default, but with detachable menus, you can get the load/don't load images buttons where you want them, and hit a page reload. I run a transparent squid proxy cache on OpenBSD, get about at 20% hit rate, which drastically improves browsing performance, particularly as most images are both large and invariant on a website -- they tend to be served from cache. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpRlm3yBfhMO.pgp Description: PGP signature
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> > Galeon I downloaded from ftp.sourceforge.net: > > > > ftp://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/sourceforge/galeon/ > > > > ...currently looks like: galeon_0.10.5-1.mozilla.0.8.1_i386.deb > > I see only rpm files and tar.gz files there. The download page > says to look in ftp://galeon.ufies.org/pub/galeon/debian but that > link is dead. It's there, but there is only the one file mentioned above, and it's right near the bottom! Craig -- Craig Holyoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uq.net.au/craigh/
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Forrest English wrote: > have you tried skipstone? it's basicaly like galeon, without all the > garbage. Debian package search results Release Quality Package (size) testing100%skipstone 0.7-1 (995.5k) unstable100%skipstone 0.7-2 (167.7k) Strange that 0.7-2 is only a sixth the size of 0.7-1? Packaging error? In any case, 0.7-2 (i386 anyway) installs on current woody.
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On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 04:07:42PM +1000, Craig Holyoak wrote: > Where did you get your .deb's from? The links on the website seem to be > dead! Just picked up the Galeon/Mozilla/various libs/kitchen sink package from a combination of: deb http://www.markybob.com/mozilla/deb/ ./ and debian unstable. I have to admit, Galeon *IS* slick. I'd tried it a while back, and it was still a bit unstable for my taste. Now, I'm happy to say that it may actually be competing with Konqueror for "preferred browser" status. I *love* the tabs (although I can do very similar things through pwm). Damn fine piece of work. -b3 -- Brent Bourgoine[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geek Code Version: 3.1 G d- s+:+ a- C$ UBL+++$> P+$>+++ L++$> E$>++ W+++$ N++ o? K w--- O M- !V PS+++ PE Y+ PGP++ t+ 5++ X+ R(++) tv(+) b+++ DI D++ G e h r++(+++) y?(+++) --
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Karsten M. Self wrote: > Isn't w3m a Japanese-oriented invention? It was written by someone from that country, but it is oriented much more to people who want a small, fast, correct, and excellent text mode browser. -- see shy jo
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I'd like to endorse the endorsements of Skipstone. For me, it's been fast, light and dependable (as browsers go). There's a lot that it doesn't claim or try to do, but for simple browsing, it's the best solution I've found (I've tried Netscape, Mozilla, and Opera). And when it crashes, it crashes gracefully (offering to re-start at the last page visited). Looks spiffy as well. I run it under stable, with sawmill. Jim
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> noah writes: > > I'm not about to install "libglade (wich is used to build the interface), > > libxml and every other standard gnome library" (quote from the galeon > > INSTALL file) just to get a browser. > > That's a perfectly good reason not to install Galeon, but it still isn't > true that it requires you to install a "desktop environment". Actually, you may in fact end up installing enough of the needed packages that you *could*. You just don't have to *run* the "desktop environment". I likely have all the various gnome libs and such, but don't run gnome as my desktop/window manager/etc. I certainly use plenty of gnome apps -- my window manager though is enlightenment. Hall
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noah writes: > I'm not about to install "libglade (wich is used to build the interface), > libxml and every other standard gnome library" (quote from the galeon > INSTALL file) just to get a browser. That's a perfectly good reason not to install Galeon, but it still isn't true that it requires you to install a "desktop environment". -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI
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William Leese wrote: i'm not certain if you ve tested the 0.9 release, if not i strongly suggest doing so (performance has *greatly* improved, though there still needs work to be done on the startup times and ofcourse memory usage) and perhaps also checking a nightly build so you can attempt to predict where mozilla is going. May I suggest build 2001050910. I've been using it for a while with pretty good results (my biggest complaint is that no gcc2.95 build were made that day so I can't use the realplayer plugin). It's also an advantage over 0.9 in that the doesn't render bug is fixed. ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/2001-05-09-10-trunk/
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On 15 May 2001, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote: > On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 11:22:29AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > > noah writes: > > > I changed my mind when I saw that it depends on GNOME crap. Can't I > > > install a browser without installing a fscking "desktop environment"? > > > > Yes. Galeon, for example. "Gnome libraries" != "Gnome desktop > > environment". > > Not in my book. I'm not about to install "libglade (wich is used to > build the interface), libxml and every other standard gnome > library" (quote from the galeon INSTALL file) just to get a browser. > Even if it is a good browser. > > noah > My own feeling exactly. But I've been pleasantly impressed by skipstone thus far. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - running Gnu/Debian Linux (Windows-free zone). For electronic books (Homeomythology and The Assassins of Alamut), skeptical essays, and over 120 book reviews, go to http://www.acampbell.org.uk/ Those who publish make themselves public in more ways than they sometimes realize. Authors may sell their books: but they give themselves away. [F.L. Lucas]
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On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 11:22:29AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > noah writes: > > I changed my mind when I saw that it depends on GNOME crap. Can't I > > install a browser without installing a fscking "desktop environment"? > > Yes. Galeon, for example. "Gnome libraries" != "Gnome desktop > environment". Not in my book. I'm not about to install "libglade (wich is used to build the interface), libxml and every other standard gnome library" (quote from the galeon INSTALL file) just to get a browser. Even if it is a good browser. noah -- ___ | Web: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/ | PGP Public Key: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/mail.html pgp5TPymC0j2P.pgp Description: PGP signature
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noah writes: > I changed my mind when I saw that it depends on GNOME crap. Can't I > install a browser without installing a fscking "desktop environment"? Yes. Galeon, for example. "Gnome libraries" != "Gnome desktop environment". -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, Wisconsin
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On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 09:01:10AM -0700, Forrest English wrote: > have you tried skipstone? it's basicaly like galeon, without all the > garbage. > > http://muhri.net/skipstone Thanks, I'll look in to it. (looks at screenshots) It does look nice. (looks at dependencies) It looks even better. Aside from the fact that I get mozilla from mozilla.org instead of in .deb format, I've got all the dependencies installed already. (downloads and runs) It seems OK. The version in woody is based on M-18, which is unacceptably old, and I'll need to research its support for more recent mozillas. My biggest complain thus far is that you can access the drop down menus via keyboard shortcuts. noah -- ___ | Web: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/ | PGP Public Key: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/mail.html pgp1glCVc5rJC.pgp Description: PGP signature
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if galeon seems a bit slow... i've had a great time using skipstone on my laptop. p2 266, 64 megs of ram. works wonderfuly, never has it used more than 25 megs of ram (with 4 websites open in different tabs). -- Forrest English http://truffula.net "When we have nothing left to give There will be no reason for us to live But when we have nothing left to lose You will have nothing left to use" -Fugazi On Mon, 14 May 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Tue, May 15, 2001 at 02:20:19PM +0800, ha shao ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 08:34:22PM -0700, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > > > > > I might add that I'm quite pleased with Galeon. > > > > > > > I am not. Try use it with 64MB of RAM > > I'll give that a shot. Hint: LILO boot parameters are your friend. I > once booted a RH box on 16 MB, with GNOME, just for kicks. 30 minutes > to login screen > > What's your primary browser? > > -- > Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ > What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal > http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org >
Re: Karsten's browser reviews (updated)
have you tried skipstone? it's basicaly like galeon, without all the garbage. http://muhri.net/skipstone -- Forrest English http://truffula.net "When we have nothing left to give There will be no reason for us to live But when we have nothing left to lose You will have nothing left to use" -Fugazi On Tue, 15 May 2001, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote: > On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 08:34:22PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > > > I might add that I'm quite pleased with Galeon. > > > > After reading your review and seeing the screeshot (are those tabs what > I think they are???) I decided I had to try it. I changed my mind when > I saw that it depends on GNOME crap. Can't I install a browser without > installing a fscking "desktop environment"? > > Guess I'll stick with mozilla. > > noah > > -- > ___ > | Web: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/ > | PGP Public Key: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/mail.html > >
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On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 08:34:22PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > I might add that I'm quite pleased with Galeon. > After reading your review and seeing the screeshot (are those tabs what I think they are???) I decided I had to try it. I changed my mind when I saw that it depends on GNOME crap. Can't I install a browser without installing a fscking "desktop environment"? Guess I'll stick with mozilla. noah -- ___ | Web: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/ | PGP Public Key: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/mail.html pgpRVpDop7xre.pgp Description: PGP signature
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"Karsten M. Self" wrote: > Mozilla I'm getting through the standard Debian packages. It hasn't changed version since stable. Is that okay? No need for anything newer? http://galeon.sourceforge.net/download.html says we need the mozilla devel package from http://www.debian.jp.or/~kitame/mozilla/, a link which is wrong, which I traced to: http://non-us.debian.org/~kitame/mozilla/mozilla-dev_0.9-0.0.3_i386.deb Is that needed or not? Thanks. > Galeon I downloaded from ftp.sourceforge.net: > > ftp://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/sourceforge/galeon/ > > ...currently looks like: galeon_0.10.5-1.mozilla.0.8.1_i386.deb I see only rpm files and tar.gz files there. The download page says to look in ftp://galeon.ufies.org/pub/galeon/debian but that link is dead. Confused, Peter
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On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:49:17AM -0700, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > Isn't w3m a Japanese-oriented invention? Is w3mmee related to w3m? > Yes. w3mmee base on w3m with some code to make i18n correct. :) oh, I saw people use ulimit to set up a controlled environment. -- Best regard hashao
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I wrote: > It still crashes, and it [Galeon] still gives me no control of images. Karsten M. Self writes: > What image controls do you want? Netscape lets me turn off images in "preferences" and then click on individual image icons to download them. It also has an images command to download all the images on a page. With Galeon it's all or nothing. > There is an option to restrict images to the current site,... At 28.8 that isn't good enough. > ...as well as an image manager similar to Mozilla's. I don't know what you mean (there is, of course, no documentation). -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI
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On Mon, 14 May 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote: > I've updated my review of GNU/Linux web browsing alternatives, largely > in light of recent advances by the Mozilla and Galeon teams. I'm > looking for feedback, particularly on anything I might have missed. > > http://home.netcom.com/GNU/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html > > I might add that I'm quite pleased with Galeon. > > Cheers. from the konqueror review: Con: KDE dependencies. Difficulties and/or issues running independently of KDE. These are subsiding with time -- a recent Debian upgrade, and cleaning out of some conflicting KDE package source servers has given me a working KDE installation. I still find the total desktop environment to be annoying and bloated on my aging (but recently invigorated) PPro-180/256MB home system. Running Konqueror under WindowMaker, my preferred desktop, results in some annoying font and display choices which aren't readily addressable through WindowMaker. it seems to run fine under fvwm. the major beef i have with it is regular crashes with https. geordie. -- debconf: package "debconf" is not installed or does not use debconf
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on Tue, May 15, 2001 at 02:20:19PM +0800, ha shao ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 08:34:22PM -0700, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > > > I might add that I'm quite pleased with Galeon. > > > > I am not. Try use it with 64MB of RAM Doing same. Galeon's running with about 17 tabs open. I'm starting to cut into swap. OK, when system "find"s start running from cron, things start to bog down a bit. Just out of curiosity, why do you only have 64 M on the box? Memory's cheap, and even old-style DIMMS aren't too bad if you're looking to go to 96-128MB worth. 02:44:48 up 14 min, 5 users, load average: 2.08, 1.53, 0.87 102 processes: 100 sleeping, 2 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 1.4% user, 6.7% system, 0.2% nice, 91.7% idle Mem: 63228K total,61784K used, 1444K free, 2540K buffers Swap: 497972K total,91888K used, 406084K free,20388K cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 661 karsten4 0 46384 23M 12188 S 0.9 38.8 0:34 galeon-bin 671 karsten0 0 46384 23M 12188 S 0.0 38.8 0:00 galeon-bin 672 karsten1 0 46384 23M 12188 S 0.3 38.8 0:00 galeon-bin 673 karsten0 0 46384 23M 12188 S 0.0 38.8 0:00 galeon-bin 1325 karsten0 0 46384 23M 12188 S 0.0 38.8 0:00 galeon-bin 412 root -7 -10 41924 7208 2020 S < 0.1 11.4 0:19 XFree86 423 root 0 0 3900 3900 3776 S 0.0 6.1 0:00 ntpd Cheers. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpfOx4IPzTsq.pgp Description: PGP signature
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on Tue, May 15, 2001 at 03:20:08PM +0800, ha shao ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:41:40PM -0700, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > on Tue, May 15, 2001 at 02:20:19PM +0800, ha shao ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > I am not. Try use it with 64MB of RAM > > > > I'll give that a shot. Hint: LILO boot parameters are your friend. I > > once booted a RH box on 16 MB, with GNOME, just for kicks. 30 minutes > > to login screen > > I am stuck with netscape 4.77 and w3mmee. w3mmee has better CJK support > than w3m. OK. Yeah, I'd think you'd be happier with an older or lighter browser. Isn't w3m a Japanese-oriented invention? Is w3mmee related to w3m? -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpMP08Tjwvnh.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:40:24PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Tue, May 15, 2001 at 06:51:47AM +0100, Viktor Lakics ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > 3. Sorry, I do not have opinion about Galeon I never tried it. > > What? > > Wait a minute. > > You're a GNU/Linux user, and you *don't* have an opinion on something? > Whether you've used it or not? > > Bouncer!! > > Please remove this man immediately! i've never tried galeon, but i have an opinion: who'd wanna browse with software having "G" as a first initial? eesh! :) -- DEBIAN NEWBIE TIP #10 from Will Trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : Looking to run a command or two at REGULAR INTERVALS? Try "crontab -e" for starters (see "man cron" or "man crontab"). You might also investigate the "anacron" package. Also see http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/ ...
Re: Karsten's browser reviews (updated)
http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html - Original Message - From: "Karsten M. Self" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:45 AM Subject: Re: Karsten's browser reviews (updated)
Re: Karsten's browser reviews (updated)
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:41:40PM -0700, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > on Tue, May 15, 2001 at 02:20:19PM +0800, ha shao ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > I am not. Try use it with 64MB of RAM > > I'll give that a shot. Hint: LILO boot parameters are your friend. I > once booted a RH box on 16 MB, with GNOME, just for kicks. 30 minutes > to login screen I am stuck with netscape 4.77 and w3mmee. w3mmee has better CJK support than w3m. -- Best regard hashao
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on Tue, May 15, 2001 at 04:07:42PM +1000, Craig Holyoak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On 14 May 2001 21:36:07 -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > on Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:02:14PM -0500, John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > wrote: > > > Karsten M. Self writes: > > > > http://home.netcom.com/GNU/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html > > > > > > I get a 404. > > > > > > > I might add that I'm quite pleased with Galeon. > > > > > > I wish I was. It still crashes, and it still gives me no control of > > > images. > > > > Crashing will come and go with specific releases. I've got good results > > with: > > > > Package: galeon > > Status: install ok installed > > Priority: optional > > Section: web > > Installed-Size: 2656 > > Maintainer: Matthew Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Version: 0.10.5-1.mozilla.0.8.1 > > > > Package: mozilla > > Status: hold ok installed > > Priority: optional > > Section: web > > Installed-Size: 26920 > > Maintainer: Frank Belew (Myth) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Version: 1:0.8.1-0.1 > > > > Note that you need to keep both packages coordinated pretty closely. > > This particular combination is a sweet spot though. > > > Where did you get your .deb's from? The links on the website seem to be > dead! > > Craig Mozilla I'm getting through the standard Debian packages. Galeon I downloaded from ftp.sourceforge.net: ftp://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/sourceforge/galeon/ ...currently looks like: galeon_0.10.5-1.mozilla.0.8.1_i386.deb I use lftp as an ftp client. $ apt-get install lftp Cheers. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgp01JZijxC8e.pgp Description: PGP signature
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on Tue, May 15, 2001 at 02:20:19PM +0800, ha shao ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 08:34:22PM -0700, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > > > I might add that I'm quite pleased with Galeon. > > > > I am not. Try use it with 64MB of RAM I'll give that a shot. Hint: LILO boot parameters are your friend. I once booted a RH box on 16 MB, with GNOME, just for kicks. 30 minutes to login screen What's your primary browser? -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpgVPIGS2toU.pgp Description: PGP signature
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on Tue, May 15, 2001 at 06:51:47AM +0100, Viktor Lakics ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Thanks Karsten for the interview, very useful, just some remarks: > > 1. Opera > > Opera is in stable 5.0 now (as of yesterday, at least on the ftp > server, you might want to give it a try, debs available, it is a > very easy call to test) Noted. I'm updating the page now. > 2. Netscape > > It is in 4.77 now, and though not much changed, I downloaded it - > after I had some weird problems with 4.75 on potato - and adjusted > the fonts, etc. After a year pause in using Netscape, this was a > surprise. It loaded within 10 sec on my PII/350/128M system - > previously I had to wait sometimes 25-30 secs (!). > Even konqi and opera needs 5-7 secs to load... > 3. Konqi > > I always wanted to use it, because I use KDE as my desktop, it is > nicely integrated, it is a pleasure to work with. But until KDE > 2.1.1, there were simply too many WEB pages which cannot be rendere > by Konqi. But now it rocks. So I'm told. I've got problems with the configuration interface. > 3. Sorry, I do not have opinion about Galeon I never tried it. What? Wait a minute. You're a GNU/Linux user, and you *don't* have an opinion on something? Whether you've used it or not? Bouncer!! Please remove this man immediately! ;-) > So Nowadays I use Konqi > Opera > Netscape. Order of preference. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpW9PeTOWUvO.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Where did you get your .deb's from? The links on the website seem to be dead! Craig On 14 May 2001 21:36:07 -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:02:14PM -0500, John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > Karsten M. Self writes: > > > http://home.netcom.com/GNU/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html > > > > I get a 404. > > > > > I might add that I'm quite pleased with Galeon. > > > > I wish I was. It still crashes, and it still gives me no control of > > images. > > Crashing will come and go with specific releases. I've got good results > with: > > Package: galeon > Status: install ok installed > Priority: optional > Section: web > Installed-Size: 2656 > Maintainer: Matthew Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Version: 0.10.5-1.mozilla.0.8.1 > > Package: mozilla > Status: hold ok installed > Priority: optional > Section: web > Installed-Size: 26920 > Maintainer: Frank Belew (Myth) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Version: 1:0.8.1-0.1 > > Note that you need to keep both packages coordinated pretty closely. > This particular combination is a sweet spot though. > > What image controls do you want? There is an option to restrict images > to the current site, as well as an image manager similar to Mozilla's. > > -- > Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ > What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal > http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org -- Craig Holyoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uq.net.au/craigh/
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On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 08:34:22PM -0700, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > I might add that I'm quite pleased with Galeon. > I am not. Try use it with 64MB of RAM -- Best regard hashao
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Mon, May 14, 2001, ktb wrote: > > On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 08:34:22PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > > I've updated my review of GNU/Linux web browsing alternatives, largely > > > in light of recent advances by the Mozilla and Galeon teams. I'm > > > looking for feedback, particularly on anything I might have missed. > > > > > > http://home.netcom.com/GNU/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html > > > > > > I might add that I'm quite pleased with Galeon. > > > > > > > That URL doesn't resolve for me. Couldn't find a combination that > > worked. > > kent > > > > http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html > > worked for me. Thanks for the comparisons, Karsten! I have a sort-of-related question - I've seen the netscape customization on the page and I use basically the same set-up for wheel mouse and experience following scrolling problem: the wheel works pgup/pgdown works arrows DO NOT work funny thing is that when I press the left/right arrows the Location: field becomes active and up/down arrows scroll the wv page viewed! left right continue to work in Location: field. I just tried the exact settings from your (Karsten's) page and they cause exactly the same problem. When I do not use anything related to wheel mouse in customization the arrow keys work properly. netscape 4.77, debian unstable... any ideas? anybody else seen this problem? TIA erik
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On Tuesday 15 May 2001 07:45, William Leese wrote: > being a bit of a Mozilla advocate i have two small comments; > > 1) lastest development release is 0.9, nightlies are 0.9.1 oh, one warning: galeon seems to crash very often with 0.9, much more often than mozilla does. perhaps instead of installing the debs it might be better to get the binaries from ftp.mozilla.org, so it doesnt messup your galeon installation
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Thanks Karsten for the interview, very useful, just some remarks: 1. Opera Opera is in stable 5.0 now (as of yesterday, at least on the ftp server, you might want to give it a try, debs available, it is a very easy call to test) 2. Netscape It is in 4.77 now, and though not much changed, I downloaded it - after I had some weird problems with 4.75 on potato - and adjusted the fonts, etc. After a year pause in using Netscape, this was a surprise. It loaded within 10 sec on my PII/350/128M system - previously I had to wait sometimes 25-30 secs (!). Even konqi and opera needs 5-7 secs to load... It appears more stable (yes I run Java). Somewhere I saw a note on distro-included netscapes (Mandrake and Debian was listed), it was suggested to use netscape navigator standalone right from the Netscape. That is what I did. I do not know whethet this caused a change ot the higher version no., but it WORKS now. Yes the GUI sucks, but what do you do when you reallu HAVE TO look at a web page and galeon died on it, opera cannot render it, konqi ditto?! (yes there are WEB pages like that). You fall back to the good ol' netscape... At least I am. It allways worked for me as a last resort. 3. Konqi I always wanted to use it, because I use KDE as my desktop, it is nicely integrated, it is a pleasure to work with. But until KDE 2.1.1, there were simply too many WEB pages which cannot be rendere by Konqi. But now it rocks. 3. Sorry, I do not have opinion about Galeon I never tried it. So Nowadays I use Konqi > Opera > Netscape. Order of preference. On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 08:34:22PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: > I've updated my review of GNU/Linux web browsing alternatives, largely > in light of recent advances by the Mozilla and Galeon teams. I'm > looking for feedback, particularly on anything I might have missed. > > http://home.netcom.com/GNU/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html > > I might add that I'm quite pleased with Galeon. > > Cheers. > > -- > Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ > What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal > http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org
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being a bit of a Mozilla advocate i have two small comments; 1) lastest development release is 0.9, nightlies are 0.9.1 2) the screenshot is quite old, mozilla is now on its fourth skin, the one in the screenshot was its second i'm not certain if you ve tested the 0.9 release, if not i strongly suggest doing so (performance has *greatly* improved, though there still needs work to be done on the startup times and ofcourse memory usage) and perhaps also checking a nightly build so you can attempt to predict where mozilla is going. large changes in nightlies (there are many more, but these are the ones that i've noticed) -tear down the world bug has been fixed. when clicking a link the current page is no longer directly removed but stays until the next page starts downloading (a la opera) -XPCOM changes. taking off 2 mb of ram usuage at startup -new skin: modern3. a very slick skin which has replaced the dark blue modern2 (if you wish a screenshot, just ask) just my 2 cents William
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on Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:02:14PM -0500, John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Karsten M. Self writes: > > http://home.netcom.com/GNU/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html > > I get a 404. > > > I might add that I'm quite pleased with Galeon. > > I wish I was. It still crashes, and it still gives me no control of > images. Crashing will come and go with specific releases. I've got good results with: Package: galeon Status: install ok installed Priority: optional Section: web Installed-Size: 2656 Maintainer: Matthew Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Version: 0.10.5-1.mozilla.0.8.1 Package: mozilla Status: hold ok installed Priority: optional Section: web Installed-Size: 26920 Maintainer: Frank Belew (Myth) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Version: 1:0.8.1-0.1 Note that you need to keep both packages coordinated pretty closely. This particular combination is a sweet spot though. What image controls do you want? There is an option to restrict images to the current site, as well as an image manager similar to Mozilla's. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpW8rYH1NWMT.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Mon, May 14, 2001, ktb wrote: > On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 08:34:22PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > I've updated my review of GNU/Linux web browsing alternatives, largely > > in light of recent advances by the Mozilla and Galeon teams. I'm > > looking for feedback, particularly on anything I might have missed. > > > > http://home.netcom.com/GNU/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html > > > > I might add that I'm quite pleased with Galeon. > > > > That URL doesn't resolve for me. Couldn't find a combination that > worked. > kent > http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html worked for me. Thanks for the comparisons, Karsten! -- Daniel A. Freedman Laboratory for Atomic and Solid State Physics Department of Physics Cornell University
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on Mon, May 14, 2001 at 08:34:22PM -0700, Karsten M. Self (kmself@ix.netcom.com) wrote: > I've updated my review of GNU/Linux web browsing alternatives, largely > in light of recent advances by the Mozilla and Galeon teams. I'm > looking for feedback, particularly on anything I might have missed. > > http://home.netcom.com/GNU/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html That should be: http://home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html Doh! I've got the "make RMS happy but be careful when typing URLs" vim abbreviation to translate "Linux" into "GNU/Linux" (among other translations). Sorry about that, and thanks to those who posted to me. Cheers. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpIpDvIIgaGB.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Karsten M. Self writes: > http://home.netcom.com/GNU/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html I get a 404. > I might add that I'm quite pleased with Galeon. I wish I was. It still crashes, and it still gives me no control of images. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, Wisconsin
Re: Karsten's browser reviews (updated)
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 08:34:22PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: > I've updated my review of GNU/Linux web browsing alternatives, largely > in light of recent advances by the Mozilla and Galeon teams. I'm > looking for feedback, particularly on anything I might have missed. > > http://home.netcom.com/GNU/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html > > I might add that I'm quite pleased with Galeon. > That URL doesn't resolve for me. Couldn't find a combination that worked. kent -- From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted First line of "The Panther" - R. M. Rilke
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I've updated my review of GNU/Linux web browsing alternatives, largely in light of recent advances by the Mozilla and Galeon teams. I'm looking for feedback, particularly on anything I might have missed. http://home.netcom.com/GNU/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html I might add that I'm quite pleased with Galeon. Cheers. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpayd9tXBeoR.pgp Description: PGP signature
