Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
On Thursday 08 April 2004 20:06, Pigeon wrote: ...hack the video card's BIOS, so you get a penguin in POST instead of the video card manufacturer's logo? If you know how would you please tell us? :-) Thanks -- Kind regards Hans du Plooy Newington Consulting Services hansdp at newingtoncs dot co dot za -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
I always just `make include/linux/version.h` Thanks, that works. I added a mention of it and acknowledged you at http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/troubleshooting.html. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 02:08:34PM +0200, Hans du Plooy wrote: On Thursday 08 April 2004 20:06, Pigeon wrote: ...hack the video card's BIOS, so you get a penguin in POST instead of the video card manufacturer's logo? If you know how would you please tell us? :-) Well, the actual BIOS hack would be pretty straightforward, if somewhat tedious... just a case of poking through a dump of the BIOS until you found the bitmap, and replacing it with a bitmap of Tux. The hard part would be actually getting the data out of the BIOS ROM and getting the new data back into it. With an older video card that has a socketed DIL chip for its ROM, it's not too bad, as you could take the chip out, stick it in a programmer, read the data, then stick the equivalent EPROM into the programmer and blow the new data. With a newer card... if its BIOS is in an electrically-erasable non-volatile memory, a Flash or similar, you might be able to find a utility somewhere that would re-flash it, or you might be able to hook an in-circuit programmer up to the relevant lines on the card. In summary, it's probably possible, but you'd probably need to buy or borrow some extra hardware (and boot an M$ OS to drive it)... exact details would vary from card to card. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
I always just `make include/linux/version.h` Thanks, good suggestion. I'll try it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 04:52, Sridhar M.A. wrote: I am facing a problem in installing the nvidia binary driver with the latest kernel 2.6.5. With the earlier kernel versions, I could install the driver without any hassles. I get the following error message when I try to install it with kernel 2.6.5: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. Any pointers? For the record, I am not using the debian package for nvidia drivers. I install it directly and so far this has not given me any trouble. Regards, run make proper or some simular command in you kernel source tree, i cant rememember the excact command. THis will give you your /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h file back. then try reinstall nvidia driver. It worked for me. Kenneth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
Frédéric Dreier [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Thu, 08 Apr 2004 09:55:20 +0200: That's to be expected. It's the framebuffer. It exists because it works better for some people. Actually I though it was the way to get an higher resolution console. not really a 'must' but console looks better :-) It would also be useful for those of us who have fixed freq high resolution large monitors. Except that I still can't get framebuffer to work for me. If I am debugging a problem before X starts, I have to bring in a small monitor and plug it in. Painful. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ I will never let my schooling get in the way of my education. --Mark Twain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
On 8. April 2004 at 9:55AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's to be expected. It's the framebuffer. It exists because it works better for some people. Actually I though it was the way to get an higher resolution console. not really a 'must' but console looks better :-) Does it crash even with the radeonfb module? No crashers here (Radeon VE / 7000). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
On 8. April 2004 at 1:02AM -0700, William Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 09:55:20AM +0200, Frédéric Dreier wrote: Actually I though it was the way to get an higher resolution console. not really a 'must' but console looks better :-) I don't use the Framebuffer because if I'm not in X I usually want to do some serious crunching, and `yes | nl` runs several orders of magnitude faster without it, which means that some operations might actually be slowed down by how fast the console can scroll. Why not just use a pipe (e.g. to /dev/null)? It is beautiful, though. Windows is beautiful ;-)
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
Actually I have more 'diffcult' experience with ATI than nvidia... the last time I checked, framebuffer still hangs when I switch from X to consoles with my ATI 9700. Your point? Even Linus tells people not to use framebuffer for anything unless they have to. my point is: In my case, framebuffer works with my nvidia and crash with my ATI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frédéric Dreier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually I have more 'diffcult' experience with ATI than nvidia... the last time I checked, framebuffer still hangs when I switch from X to consoles with my ATI 9700. Your point? Even Linus tells people not to use framebuffer for anything unless they have to. my point is: In my case, framebuffer works with my nvidia and crash with my ATI That's to be expected. It's the framebuffer. It exists because it works better for some people. - -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAdQMDUzgNqloQMwcRAlppAJ9s5+p2gtNBTCgKgkzWvkCDU54k0gCfb488 ldaonj3UyKnh9vQs6vsE1p4= =MB98 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
That's to be expected. It's the framebuffer. It exists because it works better for some people. Actually I though it was the way to get an higher resolution console. not really a 'must' but console looks better :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 09:55:20AM +0200, Frédéric Dreier wrote: Actually I though it was the way to get an higher resolution console. not really a 'must' but console looks better :-) I don't use the Framebuffer because if I'm not in X I usually want to do some serious crunching, and `yes | nl` runs several orders of magnitude faster without it, which means that some operations might actually be slowed down by how fast the console can scroll. It is beautiful, though. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
Paul Johnson wrote: csj [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 6. April 2004 at 10:38AM -0700, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Even Linus tells people not to use framebuffer for anything unless they have to. So how do you get the cute bootup penguin? Who needs a boot penguin when you only have to boot once in a great while? Because he may have a laptop, which boots daily. -Roberto Sanchez signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
Andrew Schulman wrote: In kernel 2.6.5, make clean has become more aggressive and now removes some files that you need to build some modules, e.g. nvidia and vmware. If you run make clean after you build your kernel-- and this happens by default if, for example, you build the kernel with make-kpkg kernel_image-- then your nvidia module won't compile. Try rebuilding your kernel and avoiding make clean afterwards-- however that is done. I use make-kpkg kernel_image, and the workaround there is to add a line do_clean := NO in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf. See http://bugs.debian.org/242163. I always just `make include/linux/version.h` That seems to be the only file missing (to build ATI drivers). -Roberto Sanchez signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 09:55:20AM +0200, Fr?d?ric Dreier wrote: That's to be expected. It's the framebuffer. It exists because it works better for some people. Actually I though it was the way to get an higher resolution console. not really a 'must' but console looks better :-) svgatextmode is the way to get a higher resolution console. framebuffer is there to support consoles on architectures which don't have text mode support. Linus himself doesn't like it but unfortunately some architectures need it. Double unfortunately the author of svgatextmode has given up maintaining it because framebuffer exists, so it doesn't support a lot of modern video cards, including Radeons. I keep telling myself that I'll get round to hacking it one day. Difficult, because it involves wading through loads of X source code trying to figure out how to program a Radeon. I'm just grateful to ATI that the source code is available. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 09:08:51AM +0800, csj wrote: On 6. April 2004 at 10:38AM -0700, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Even Linus tells people not to use framebuffer for anything unless they have to. So how do you get the cute bootup penguin? ...hack the video card's BIOS, so you get a penguin in POST instead of the video card manufacturer's logo? -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
Pigeon wrote: On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 09:55:20AM +0200, Fr?d?ric Dreier wrote: That's to be expected. It's the framebuffer. It exists because it works better for some people. Actually I though it was the way to get an higher resolution console. not really a 'must' but console looks better :-) svgatextmode is the way to get a higher resolution console. framebuffer is there to support consoles on architectures which don't have text mode support. Linus himself doesn't like it but unfortunately some architectures need it. Double unfortunately the author of svgatextmode has given up maintaining it because framebuffer exists, so it doesn't support a lot of modern video cards, including Radeons. I keep telling myself that I'll get round to hacking it one day. Difficult, because it involves wading through loads of X source code trying to figure out how to program a Radeon. I'm just grateful to ATI that the source code is available. I'd help. It really is a great tool, cannot do without it. But... it supports my TNT2, not my MX-440. So... I have to run Backstreet Ruby's X0 on the TNT2 to be able to use svgatextmode, you get a blank screen and a blinking led green power light on the MX-440. I far prefer svgatextmode to framebuffer: it is just much simpler. Let's hack it. Then I can get off TNT2's... Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
Paul Johnson wrote: Frédéric Dreier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul Johnson wrote: Steve Freitas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How is ATI support better than Nvidia ? As far as I know, both provide binary drivers, and nvidia was at this game much earlier than ati. I had nothing but bad experience with Nvidia's binary drivers. They kept locking up my machine completely. The open-source alternative, XFree86's nv driver, is completely pathetic. The XFree86 Radeon driver, on the other hand, has performed so beautifully for me that I never felt the need to try their binary driver. YMMV. Steve Freitas is now my definition for typical case for an nVidia user these days. Actually I have more 'diffcult' experience with ATI than nvidia... the last time I checked, framebuffer still hangs when I switch from X to consoles with my ATI 9700. Your point? Even Linus tells people not to use framebuffer for anything unless they have to. Does he really? Or are you making that up ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 07:40:24AM -0400, Roberto Sanchez wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: Gokul Poduval [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1) Go to http://www.minion.de/ and get the appropriate driver. 2) Realize that nVidia is more trouble than it's worth. 3) Chuck nVidia card, get a video card who cares about the Linux community (like, say, ATI). How is ATI support better than Nvidia ? As far as I know, both provide binary drivers, and nvidia was at this game much earlier than ati. ATI's hardware at least works with the open software that's out there pretty damn well in the first place. The official drivers are a nice perk. Is there a good alternative to ati and nvidia that is good and open source friendly at this time in the market, or we are all screwed? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
On Wednesday 07 April 2004 12:44, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: Is there a good alternative to ati and nvidia that is good and open source friendly at this time in the market, or we are all screwed? Nothing that offers similar performance. If your focus isn't gaming but simply good graphics that is 3D accelerated too, I would definitely recommend a Radeon 7500 - they are fully and natively supported by XFree and the kernel's radeon driver. On most distros they're pretty much plugplay -- Kind regards Hans du Plooy Newington Consulting Services hansdp at newingtoncs dot co dot za -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
I have been running almost exclusively NVidia for quite some time. The only board I have ever had any problems with the proprietary NVIDIA drivers on a are the ASUS nforce boards *which specifically state* not to use the NVidia drivers. There is some kind of incompatability with the AGP port, and to be honest I haven't given it a lot of effort beyond BIOS tweaking since the nv driver was fine for that application... speaking of which, How is the ATI xfree driver any better than the NV xfree driver? They both seem to work about the same for me. I like the NVIDIA proprietary driver on my laptops because I get advanced features like TwinView, which I use *all the time* without ANY problems what-so-ever. Also, I have run the NVIDIA proprietary drivers on many different systems, RH 7.0,7.3,8.0,9.0/Gentoo-non-specific-always-updating-in-a-nasty-bleeding-edge-kindof-way/and Debian Sarge,Sid. I've used kernel versions 2.4.18/22/23/25 and 2.6.1/3, all without ANY problems, save the ASUS board above. I use VMWare every single day running several different OSs and on most of the above types from time to time, including in full screen mode, and the NVIDIA board/driver handles it all quite easily. I'm not trying to start a flame war on how Companies should choose to or not to support open source projects, but since I use their product a LOT and I have had dramatically different experience from what is being portrayed I figured I should give the counter point. In fairness, I have not even attempted to try and get an ATI board to provide the advanced services that I get out of the NVIDIA drivers. That is most likely because I'm a lazy bastard and if someone like NVIDIA has excellent documentation and their product works - even when they say it might not because they haven't tested it in that environment - and I would have to hunt for docs on another product and hope they are up-to-date, I probably won't bother. Cheers. --JATF -Original Message- From: Paul Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 1:39 PM To: Frédéric Dreier Cc: Steve Freitas; Gokul Poduval; Debian Users Subject: Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver Frédéric Dreier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul Johnson wrote: Steve Freitas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How is ATI support better than Nvidia ? As far as I know, both provide binary drivers, and nvidia was at this game much earlier than ati. I had nothing but bad experience with Nvidia's binary drivers. They kept locking up my machine completely. The open-source alternative, XFree86's nv driver, is completely pathetic. The XFree86 Radeon driver, on the other hand, has performed so beautifully for me that I never felt the need to try their binary driver. YMMV. Steve Freitas is now my definition for typical case for an nVidia user these days. Actually I have more 'diffcult' experience with ATI than nvidia... the last time I checked, framebuffer still hangs when I switch from X to consoles with my ATI 9700. Your point? Even Linus tells people not to use framebuffer for anything unless they have to. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
On Wednesday 07 April 2004 15:07, Freivald, Joseph A, GVSOL wrote: How is the ATI xfree driver any better than the NV xfree driver? At least for some cards (everything up to 7500 definitely, and I *think* 8500 and 9x00 series cards as well) have hardware 3D support in the radeon.o driver, while nv.o doesn't. nv.o also doesn't support XV (you'll need this if you want to watch movies/tv in full screen, even on more recent systems) on some of the older cards, while it is supported on all radeons that I've tried. Depends on your needs I'm not trying to start a flame war on how Companies should choose to or not to support open source projects It really saddens me that linux users are so quick to bitch about nVidia and now ATi providing binary-only drivers and how they should opensource their drivers and blah blah blah. What no one realise is that they probably would provide at least the specs if you could. But they can't because both use tchnologies in their cards that are licenced from other companies and they are not allowed to disclose that information. That is why ATi started with the binary drivers. Their history of linux support should make it crystal clear that they are frienly to the opensource community - they really don't deserve the negative publicity they're getting for it. Neither does nVidia. They've been providing working linux drivers for ages, and have steadily improved their drivers to the point where it's mostly a no-nonsens procedure to install them. Both could have done like many other companies and simply not bothered at all. Now think how bad that would be -- Kind regards Hans du Plooy Newington Consulting Services hansdp at newingtoncs dot co dot za -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
Am Mittwoch, 7. April 2004 01:35 schrieb Miky J: The string (gcc was not found in the /proc/version ^^ So do you see that ? It doesn't see the string gcc while it's written gcc 3.3.3 They can't find (gcc, and I can't see this in your text, too . -- MfG usw. Werner Mahr registered Linuxuser: 295882 pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
This is an English-speaking mailing list. English is read from the top, down by the flow of context, not random order. Even first-year, non-native speakers pick up on this. Please turn your line wraps on, 72 columns is good. Freivald, Joseph A, GVSOL [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How is the ATI xfree driver any better than the NV xfree driver? The ATI xfree86 drivers work in games, the nVidia drivers fail miserably. ATI has at least put forth the effort to do things the right way. I'm not trying to start a flame war on how Companies should choose to or not to support open source projects, but since I use their product a LOT and I have had dramatically different experience from what is being portrayed I figured I should give the counter point. Never mind nVidia's rights-violating license, right? Who cares about things like whether or not a bug can be fixed or if you can give it to a friend; fuck freedom, right? -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 02:50:45PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: This is an English-speaking mailing list. English is read from the top, down by the flow of context, not random order. Even first-year, non-native speakers pick up on this. It's not what you say, so much as how you say it. *PLONK* A -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
Antony Gelberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 02:50:45PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: This is an English-speaking mailing list. English is read from the top, down by the flow of context, not random order. Even first-year, non-native speakers pick up on this. It's not what you say, so much as how you say it. *PLONK* Not that announcing *PLONK* is ever a mature followup or anything, eh? -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
On 6. April 2004 at 10:38AM -0700, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Even Linus tells people not to use framebuffer for anything unless they have to. So how do you get the cute bootup penguin? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
I am facing a problem in installing the nvidia binary driver with the latest kernel 2.6.5. With the earlier kernel versions, I could install the driver without any hassles. I get the following error message when I try to install it with kernel 2.6.5: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. Any pointers? For the record, I am not using the debian package for nvidia drivers. I install it directly and so far this has not given me any trouble. In kernel 2.6.5, make clean has become more aggressive and now removes some files that you need to build some modules, e.g. nvidia and vmware. If you run make clean after you build your kernel-- and this happens by default if, for example, you build the kernel with make-kpkg kernel_image-- then your nvidia module won't compile. Try rebuilding your kernel and avoiding make clean afterwards-- however that is done. I use make-kpkg kernel_image, and the workaround there is to add a line do_clean := NO in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf. See http://bugs.debian.org/242163. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
csj [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 6. April 2004 at 10:38AM -0700, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Even Linus tells people not to use framebuffer for anything unless they have to. So how do you get the cute bootup penguin? Who needs a boot penguin when you only have to boot once in a great while? -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
1) Go to http://www.minion.de/ and get the appropriate driver. 2) Realize that nVidia is more trouble than it's worth. 3) Chuck nVidia card, get a video card who cares about the Linux community (like, say, ATI). How is ATI support better than Nvidia ? As far as I know, both provide binary drivers, and nvidia was at this game much earlier than ati. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Gokul Poduval [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1) Go to http://www.minion.de/ and get the appropriate driver. 2) Realize that nVidia is more trouble than it's worth. 3) Chuck nVidia card, get a video card who cares about the Linux community (like, say, ATI). How is ATI support better than Nvidia ? As far as I know, both provide binary drivers, and nvidia was at this game much earlier than ati. ATI's hardware at least works with the open software that's out there pretty damn well in the first place. The official drivers are a nice perk. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
How is ATI support better than Nvidia ? As far as I know, both provide binary drivers, and nvidia was at this game much earlier than ati. I had nothing but bad experience with Nvidia's binary drivers. They kept locking up my machine completely. The open-source alternative, XFree86's nv driver, is completely pathetic. The XFree86 Radeon driver, on the other hand, has performed so beautifully for me that I never felt the need to try their binary driver. YMMV. Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
Steve Freitas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How is ATI support better than Nvidia ? As far as I know, both provide binary drivers, and nvidia was at this game much earlier than ati. I had nothing but bad experience with Nvidia's binary drivers. They kept locking up my machine completely. The open-source alternative, XFree86's nv driver, is completely pathetic. The XFree86 Radeon driver, on the other hand, has performed so beautifully for me that I never felt the need to try their binary driver. YMMV. Steve Freitas is now my definition for typical case for an nVidia user these days. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
Paul Johnson wrote: Steve Freitas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How is ATI support better than Nvidia ? As far as I know, both provide binary drivers, and nvidia was at this game much earlier than ati. I had nothing but bad experience with Nvidia's binary drivers. They kept locking up my machine completely. The open-source alternative, XFree86's nv driver, is completely pathetic. The XFree86 Radeon driver, on the other hand, has performed so beautifully for me that I never felt the need to try their binary driver. YMMV. Steve Freitas is now my definition for typical case for an nVidia user these days. Actually I have more 'diffcult' experience with ATI than nvidia... the last time I checked, framebuffer still hangs when I switch from X to consoles with my ATI 9700. On my laptop (dell), once I got the nvidia driver working (ok, it tooks me some days) , I never run in troubles. Regards, Frederic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
High, On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, Sridhar M.A. wrote: I am facing a problem in installing the nvidia binary driver with the latest kernel 2.6.5. With the earlier kernel versions, I could install the driver without any hassles. I get the following error message when I try to install it with kernel 2.6.5: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. Any pointers? For the record, I am not using the debian package for nvidia drivers. I install it directly and so far this has not given me any trouble. yes, nvidia doesn't support 2.6 out of the box. Fortunately there exists a patch. However, you can't use the Debian package, so I suggest to uninstall it first to prevent incorrect apt updates. Documentation is here: http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/1804 Both NVidia and VMWare work correctly on my system (testing) using these patches. Greetz, Sebas -- English written by Dutch people is easily recognized by the improper use of 'In principle ...' The software box said 'Requires Windows 95 or better', so I installed Linux. Als Pacman in de jaren '80 de kinderen zo had be?nvloed zouden nu veel jongeren rondrennen in donkere zalen terwijl ze pillen eten en luisteren naar monotone electronische muziek. (Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, 1989) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 12:09:32AM -0700, Steve Freitas wrote: I had nothing but bad experience with Nvidia's binary drivers. They kept Can't say that. I never had any problems with the nvidia drivers. driver, is completely pathetic. The XFree86 Radeon driver, on the other hand, has performed so beautifully for me that I never felt the need to try their binary driver. YMMV. Can't say that either. My Ati Radeon 9200SE wasn't supported until XFree 4.3, and then I didn't get DVI-out to work. It only worked with analog-out. So I switched back to a NVidia card. Shade and sweet water! Stephan -- | Stephan Seitz E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | WWW: http://fsing.fs.uni-sb.de/~stse/| | PGP Public Keys: http://fsing.fs.uni-sb.de/~stse/pgp.html | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
You and everybody else with a 2.6 kernel and an nVidiot card. I can't Nvidias latest drivers work with a 2.6.0 kernel. wait until I have money again so I can see just how far an nVidia card will sail when launched from a skyscraper rooftop. Any pointers? 1) Go to http://www.minion.de/ and get the appropriate driver. 2) Realize that nVidia is more trouble than it's worth. 3) Chuck nVidia card, get a video card who cares about the Linux community (like, say, ATI). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 11:46, Paul William wrote: [snip] 3) Chuck nVidia card, get a video card who cares about the Linux community (like, say, ATI). I wouldn't say that /-| I have a FireGL card in my laptop, and it is really messy. mvh, -- [simula.research laboratory] smund degrd IT-Manager phone: +4767828291 / +4790069915 http://www.simula.no
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
Paul Johnson wrote: Gokul Poduval [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1) Go to http://www.minion.de/ and get the appropriate driver. 2) Realize that nVidia is more trouble than it's worth. 3) Chuck nVidia card, get a video card who cares about the Linux community (like, say, ATI). How is ATI support better than Nvidia ? As far as I know, both provide binary drivers, and nvidia was at this game much earlier than ati. ATI's hardware at least works with the open software that's out there pretty damn well in the first place. The official drivers are a nice perk. Mesa DRI drivers only work with cards up to RV250-based (9200). After that, ATI have turned to be just like nVidia. I would say they learned from nVidia. Hey guys, look these other folks get praised by the OSS comminuty for releasing binary-only Linux drivers. We don't need to give away our secrets anymore. The reason is that even when ATI *did* actively support the OSS community (like partial funding of the development of the radeon driver) people still bought nVidia cards with a binary-only driver because they were better. Now that ATI and and nVidia are on equal footing marketshare/performace-wise they can get away with the same as nVidia. -Roberto Sanchez signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
Thus spake Paul William ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): You and everybody else with a 2.6 kernel and an nVidiot card. I can't Nvidias latest drivers work with a 2.6.0 kernel. I'm running 2.6.5 on debian unstable with the latest NVidia drivers and they work great. Only problem is every time I reboot I have to re-install them but I probably have something in my module settings screwed up. I only have to boot into windows once every 2-3 weeks so it's not an issue. :wq! --- Robert L. Harris | GPG Key ID: E344DA3B @ x-hkp://pgp.mit.edu DISCLAIMER: These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else. With Dreams To Be A King First One Should Be A Man - Manowar signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
deb http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia unstable/i386/ deb http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia modules-unstable/i386/ deb http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia pre/i386/ i just use the stuff there saves time instead of compiling the kernel interface yourself On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 21:52, Sridhar M.A. wrote: I am facing a problem in installing the nvidia binary driver with the latest kernel 2.6.5. With the earlier kernel versions, I could install the driver without any hassles. I get the following error message when I try to install it with kernel 2.6.5: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. Any pointers? For the record, I am not using the debian package for nvidia drivers. I install it directly and so far this has not given me any trouble. Regards, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
I'm having this problem with Toshiba 5105 laptop, kernel-2.6.4 and nvidia driver 1.0-5336 downloaded from Nvidia. There is about a 1/4 inch gap of the screen not being used on the right hand side of the screen running vertically. I used to be able to fix this problem (with kernel-2.4.x) by editing my /etc/modules.conf file with this: options nvidia NVreg_SoftEDIDs=0 NVreg_Mobile=2 alias /dev/nvidia* nvidia But now this has no effect? (I'm using Debian SID with kernel-2.6.4). Also, since I'm using the 2.6 kernel, I have put the: options nvidia NVreg_SoftEDIDs=0 NVreg_Mobile=2 alias /dev/nvidia* nvidia commands in the /etc/modprobe.conf file also. Even if I exit out of the GUI and stop x, and kdm and rmmod nvidia to unload the module and then reload it with: modprobe nvidia NVreg_SoftEDIDs=0 NVreg_Mobile=2 to insure that the options are loaded, and then restart kdm and x it has no effect, the 1/4 inch gap is still there? So far no one has been able to help me fix this, it's really annoying because until now I haven't had any problems with these drivers. Ralph On Tuesday 06 April 2004 08:11 am, Kolione wrote: deb http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia unstable/i386/ deb http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia modules-unstable/i386/ deb http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia pre/i386/ i just use the stuff there saves time instead of compiling the kernel interface yourself On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 21:52, Sridhar M.A. wrote: I am facing a problem in installing the nvidia binary driver with the latest kernel 2.6.5. With the earlier kernel versions, I could install the driver without any hassles. I get the following error message when I try to install it with kernel 2.6.5: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. Any pointers? For the record, I am not using the debian package for nvidia drivers. I install it directly and so far this has not given me any trouble. Regards, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
Am Dienstag, 6. April 2004 07:09 schrieb Paul William: I think you cannot use the nvidia drivers since 2.6.3. I have 5336 working with 2.6.4 without any modifications. -- MfG usw. Werner Mahr registered Linuxuser: 295882 pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
Am Dienstag, 6. April 2004 10:20 schrieb Sebastiaan: yes, nvidia doesn't support 2.6 out of the box. Fortunately there exists a patch. However, you can't use the Debian package, so I suggest to uninstall it first to prevent incorrect apt updates. Both NVidia and VMWare work correctly on my system (testing) using these patches. NVidia works without patches since 5336. -- MfG usw. Werner Mahr registered Linuxuser: 295882 pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
Paul William wrote: You and everybody else with a 2.6 kernel and an nVidiot card. I can't Nvidias latest drivers work with a 2.6.0 kernel. That is 5336? Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
Paul Johnson wrote: Sridhar M.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1) Go to http://www.minion.de/ and get the appropriate driver. 2) Realize that nVidia is more trouble than it's worth. 3) Chuck nVidia card, get a video card who cares about the Linux community (like, say, ATI). This from nvidia download for linux site: Version: 1.0-5336 Operating System: Linux IA32 Release Date: January 26, 2004 Release Highlights * Support for Linux 2.6 kernels. * Fixed AGP failures on some VIA motherboards. * Fixed a problem that prevented X from running on Samsung X10 laptops. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
I unfortunately not have the chance to criticize nvidia's driver since, I cannot make install their driver with their installer i have this message gcc-version-check failed: The string (gcc was not found in the /proc/version string: Linux version 2.6.4 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (version gcc 3.3.3 (Debian 20040321)) #1 ... So do you see that ? It doesn't see the string gcc while it's written gcc 3.3.3 For the moment i just think their installer is really not ergonomic Another question : Would it be possible to get the nvidia drivers compiled into the kernel, static instead of as a module ? If yes, how should I do ? Regards --- Paul William [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : You and everybody else with a 2.6 kernel and an nVidiot card. I can't Nvidias latest drivers work with a 2.6.0 kernel. wait until I have money again so I can see just how far an nVidia card will sail when launched from a skyscraper rooftop. Any pointers? 1) Go to http://www.minion.de/ and get the appropriate driver. 2) Realize that nVidia is more trouble than it's worth. 3) Chuck nVidia card, get a video card who cares about the Linux community (like, say, ATI). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Mail : votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.benefits.yahoo.com/ Dialoguez en direct avec vos amis grâce à Yahoo! Messenger !Téléchargez Yahoo! Messenger sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
Frédéric Dreier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul Johnson wrote: Steve Freitas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How is ATI support better than Nvidia ? As far as I know, both provide binary drivers, and nvidia was at this game much earlier than ati. I had nothing but bad experience with Nvidia's binary drivers. They kept locking up my machine completely. The open-source alternative, XFree86's nv driver, is completely pathetic. The XFree86 Radeon driver, on the other hand, has performed so beautifully for me that I never felt the need to try their binary driver. YMMV. Steve Freitas is now my definition for typical case for an nVidia user these days. Actually I have more 'diffcult' experience with ATI than nvidia... the last time I checked, framebuffer still hangs when I switch from X to consoles with my ATI 9700. Your point? Even Linus tells people not to use framebuffer for anything unless they have to. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
I am facing a problem in installing the nvidia binary driver with the latest kernel 2.6.5. With the earlier kernel versions, I could install the driver without any hassles. I get the following error message when I try to install it with kernel 2.6.5: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. Any pointers? For the record, I am not using the debian package for nvidia drivers. I install it directly and so far this has not given me any trouble. Regards, -- Sridhar M.A. GPG KeyID : F6A35935 Fingerprint: D172 22C4 7CDC D9CD 62B5 55C1 2A69 D5D8 F6A3 5935 Progress might have been all right once, but it's gone on too long. -- Ogden Nash signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
I think you cannot use the nvidia drivers since 2.6.3. Sridhar M.A. wrote: I am facing a problem in installing the nvidia binary driver with the latest kernel 2.6.5. With the earlier kernel versions, I could install the driver without any hassles. I get the following error message when I try to install it with kernel 2.6.5: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. Any pointers? For the record, I am not using the debian package for nvidia drivers. I install it directly and so far this has not given me any trouble. Regards, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
Sridhar M.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am facing a problem in installing the nvidia binary driver with the latest kernel 2.6.5. You and everybody else with a 2.6 kernel and an nVidiot card. I can't wait until I have money again so I can see just how far an nVidia card will sail when launched from a skyscraper rooftop. Any pointers? 1) Go to http://www.minion.de/ and get the appropriate driver. 2) Realize that nVidia is more trouble than it's worth. 3) Chuck nVidia card, get a video card who cares about the Linux community (like, say, ATI). -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
