Re: LILO other=/dev/hda6 (boot logical partition)
Hi! On Tuesday 12 February 2002 04:28 pm, Michel Loos wrote: [snip] As far as I know Windows can only boot from a primary partition. Since you have more then 4 partitions some must be secondary partition: you won t be able to boot windows from them. I am not even sure that you can toggle the bootable flag on a secondary partition? this is true. any windows partition has to be within the first four partitions. not completely: windows NT and derivates (2000 XP) could resist on a extended partition - in a logical drive - but they need a primary for the ntloader (NTLDR) :wq - until next mail B-), l8r Peter -- :~~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~: : student of technical computer science : : university of applied sciences krefeld (germany) : ~~ gpg: 40c9053e ~
Re: LILO other=/dev/hda6 (boot logical partition)
On Wednesday 13 February 2002 01:22 am, you wrote: Hi! On Tuesday 12 February 2002 04:28 pm, Michel Loos wrote: [snip] As far as I know Windows can only boot from a primary partition. Since you have more then 4 partitions some must be secondary partition: you won t be able to boot windows from them. I am not even sure that you can toggle the bootable flag on a secondary partition? this is true. any windows partition has to be within the first four partitions. not completely: windows NT and derivates (2000 XP) could resist on a extended partition - in a logical drive - but they need a primary for the ntloader (NTLDR) given that the loader requires a primary partition, in congruence with what i posted--which you haven't included in your response--the point asserted remains true. let's not quibble about how disfunctional ms's alleged os's are. it's enough to say that they are indubitably f**ked up. i haven't been anywhere near 2ooo but have a lot of experience negotiating between (ai)nt and a variety of near *nixes. in each case, the only way to have both reside harmoniously was to first let the ms product think it was the only os on the disk. the easy way to claim the disk for linux is to do the win(loss) installation first and then reclaim it in the course of a LINUX installation, but there ain't nothing that redmond has thought about that any linux or unix can't circumvent. please, bring me the box--if it's ms-based, it's bustable. you've got to know, yourself, that this is true. as far as the possibility of anything ms residing on extended paritions is concerned, the answer is yes, as long as the logical (extended) partition is a sub-partition of the initial dos partition, which is limited by definition to the first of the first four partitions available for a variety of manipulations available to linux, unix, hpux, mac osx, and probably a bunch of other *nix variants. i spent two weeks of my ife trying to explain to a *nix expert why nt domains had no correspondence to his concept of domains, and i don't expect 2ooo to be any better in tune with the real world. ms crap, regardless of the fact that i know how to deal with it, is the bane of my life. give me a *nix variant any day of the week. really, i find it hard not to give myself over to simple gutteral growls and grunts whenever i'm forced to deal with anything ms. have you ever been charged with the task of setting up a windon't mail server? nobody's listening when you try to tell them that the project is f**ked from the start. how can you seriously attempt to defend a product that, at its best (nt4), even having paid for the license, is still such a vulnerable piece of crap that you really begin to wonder who should be paying whom? here's a tip: subscribe to vulnwatch. those guys fill me in on the hacks that i didn't know. sorry for the rant, but hey ben
Re: LILO other=/dev/hda6 (boot logical partition)
On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 04:59:49PM -0800, ben wrote: On Tuesday 12 February 2002 04:28 pm, Michel Loos wrote: [snip] As far as I know Windows can only boot from a primary partition. Since you have more then 4 partitions some must be secondary partition: you won t be able to boot windows from them. I am not even sure that you can toggle the bootable flag on a secondary partition? this is true. any windows partition has to be within the first four partitions. From personal experience, I _always_ put winblows as the first partition. Once I tried puting it on primary partiion at the end if a disk, well, it just INGNORED the partition table, yes _ignored_, and started writing at the beginning of the disk It destroyed the entire disk! The disk was something like: 1 - Linux primary 2 - swap logical 3 - windows 95 or 98 primary (end of drive) So I junked the winblows disks.. Completely useless OS. - Adam
LILO other=/dev/hda6 (boot logical partition)
Hi. I need to install Win2k on a PC that has only logical partitions available. /dev/hda1 Linux /dev/hda2 Swap /dev/hda3 Win2k /dev/hda4 Extended /dev/hda5 Linux /dev/hda6 Win2k (new) I can't get LILO to boot the second Win2k partition. It just hangs there with no error message. If I use table=/dev/hda in my lilo.conf 'other' spec then lilo objects Fatal: Partition entry not found. It seems that LILO doesn't like to boot Win2k from logical partitions, although ntldr, reportedly xosl, and maybe grub will. Is there a fix to make LILO do this? I couldn't find a LILO mailing list to ask this question. Is there one? Thanks! Robin
Re: LILO other=/dev/hda6 (boot logical partition)
Robin Rowe, 2002-Feb-12 11:00 -0800: Hi. I need to install Win2k on a PC that has only logical partitions available. /dev/hda1 Linux /dev/hda2 Swap /dev/hda3 Win2k /dev/hda4 Extended /dev/hda5 Linux /dev/hda6 Win2k (new) I can't get LILO to boot the second Win2k partition. It just hangs there with no error message. If I use table=/dev/hda in my lilo.conf 'other' spec then lilo objects Fatal: Partition entry not found. It seems that LILO doesn't like to boot Win2k from logical partitions, although ntldr, reportedly xosl, and maybe grub will. Is there a fix to make LILO do this? I couldn't find a LILO mailing list to ask this question. Is there one? Thanks! Robin From what I've heard, Windows has to be within the first 1024 blocks of the HDD to be able to boot. I don't know why, and I assume this goes for all versions of Windows. What probably is happening is LILO is handing off to the hda6 partition to boot and W2K is sayin' nah-uh, can't do it. If this is indeed the case, you're going to need to move Windows closer to the front of the HDD. good luck, jc -- Jeff CoppockSystems Engineer Diggin' Debian Admin and User
Re: LILO other=/dev/hda6 (boot logical partition)
Em Ter, 2002-02-12 às 20:34, Jeff escreveu: Robin Rowe, 2002-Feb-12 11:00 -0800: Hi. I need to install Win2k on a PC that has only logical partitions available. /dev/hda1 Linux /dev/hda2 Swap /dev/hda3 Win2k /dev/hda4 Extended /dev/hda5 Linux /dev/hda6 Win2k (new) I can't get LILO to boot the second Win2k partition. It just hangs there with no error message. If I use table=/dev/hda in my lilo.conf 'other' spec then lilo objects Fatal: Partition entry not found. It seems that LILO doesn't like to boot Win2k from logical partitions, although ntldr, reportedly xosl, and maybe grub will. Is there a fix to make LILO do this? I couldn't find a LILO mailing list to ask this question. Is there one? Thanks! Robin From what I've heard, Windows has to be within the first 1024 blocks of the HDD to be able to boot. I don't know why, and I assume this goes for all versions of Windows. What probably is happening is LILO is handing off to the hda6 partition to boot and W2K is sayin' nah-uh, can't do it. If this is indeed the case, you're going to need to move Windows closer to the front of the HDD. As far as I know Windows can only boot from a primary partition. Since you have more then 4 partitions some must be secondary partition: you won t be able to boot windows from them. I am not even sure that you can toggle the bootable flag on a secondary partition? Michel.
Re: LILO other=/dev/hda6 (boot logical partition)
On Tuesday 12 February 2002 04:28 pm, Michel Loos wrote: [snip] As far as I know Windows can only boot from a primary partition. Since you have more then 4 partitions some must be secondary partition: you won t be able to boot windows from them. I am not even sure that you can toggle the bootable flag on a secondary partition? this is true. any windows partition has to be within the first four partitions. from man fdisk: A DOS type partition table can describe an unlimited number of partitions. In sector 0 there is room for the description of 4 partitions (called `primary'). One of these may be an extended partition; this is a box holding logical partitions, with descriptors found in a linked list of sectors, each preceding the corresponding logical partitions. The four primary partitions, present or not, get numbers 1-4. Logical partitions start numbering from 5. windon't craps out because it demands to be up front, hogging the facility offered by sector 0. unfortunately, this didn't come up in the j.d.'s presentation of evidence that gates is a monopolizer. this and the fact that gates missed the boat on i386 multitasking potential are the best examples of why anything coming out of redmond is inherently a rip-off. ben
