Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Matthew Sackman]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 03:56:46PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote:
> Does anyone out there use ICQ under Debian? So far I've tried licq and
> gaim with the ICQ plugin, and both of them have very annoying problems
> (messages get lost, or messages from previous sessions get delivered
> again on client startup... this is a problem when you have 20+
> messages that come in everytime you start your ICQ client).
> 
> I'm considering installing WINE and trying to get the Windows ICQ client
> to work, but that seems both iffy, and difficult, since I don't have a
> Windows machine anymore to steal DLL's from (although I do have a Win98
> CD, so I may be able to just extract them as needed).
> 
> Suggestions would be very welcome at this point.  Unfortunately, the
> suggestion to drop ICQ for another IM is not feasible, due to the
> infamous Circumstances Beyond My Control (tm).

I can only confirm what others have said - lite works. Though I can only
get it to work from netscape 4.77 - mozilla, konqueror and opera don't
seem to like it, though it may be more my java set up...

I tried to work out why this was happening, collecting traffic with
ethereal, but that can't decode icq v2 protocol. It's most likely a change
caused by your contact list now being kept with mirablis - thus it doesn't
matter where you are now, so long as you remember you UIN you can get your
entire contact list. I've got a feeling that the problems are made worse
if you're on a privart network and using a gateway. Not sure about that
though.

Matthew

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Chris Halls]

On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 02:42:51PM +0100, Petter Isaksson wrote:
> Randy Orrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > The problem that I've had with every ICQ client I've tried is that they
> > keep my demand dialed ppp connection alive -- is there one that will
> 
> The problem here is that the icq-client needs to send keep-alive
> packets (every 90-120 seconds, I think), else it will get kicked off
> the server. So, in order to function, it has to keep your connection
> alive. 

I haven't done it, but..

Have a look at the active-filter option in pppd(8), assuming you're not
using Potato (it's in from 2.4.1.uus-1).  Use tcpdump or ethereal to find
out what packets are sent by your ICQ client.

HTH,
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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Mark Ferlatte]

On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 03:33:46PM +0100, Alex the Koala wrote (0.54):
> add my two cents here: try using gaim *without* the ICQ plugin. ICQ2000b
> just runs the AOL protocol which gaim handles well. Set protocol to
> Oscar, auth host login.icq.com on port 5190.

I'll have to keep this in mind for later if GnomeICU fails.

I've been using GnomeICU for a few days now, and must say it's a great
client.  It hasn't given me any problems so far.

M


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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Alex the Koala]

> On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 03:56:46PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote:
> > Does anyone out there use ICQ under Debian? So far I've tried licq and
> > gaim with the ICQ plugin, and both of them have very annoying problems
> > (messages get lost, or messages from previous sessions get delivered
> > again on client startup... this is a problem when you have 20+
> > messages that come in everytime you start your ICQ client).
> 
> I've had that problem for a while now, but I just grabbed licq 1.0.4
> from unstable and it seems to fix that problem nicely.  Apparently
> 1.0.4 will be the last version to use the old protocol; as someone
> else suggested, you could give the CVS a try if 1.0.4 doesn't fix it.
> The thing to remember tho, is that this is AOLs fault; they keep
> updating the protocol in (what seems to be) a non-backward compatible
> fashion.

Hi! I'm a newbie to the list and Debian in general, but thought I would
add my two cents here: try using gaim *without* the ICQ plugin. ICQ2000b
just runs the AOL protocol which gaim handles well. Set protocol to
Oscar, auth host login.icq.com on port 5190.

Clients that use the old protocol will work alright *if* you have never
used a new ICQ client that uses Oscar.

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Paul 'Baloo' Johnson]

On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Rob Weir wrote:

> The thing to remember tho, is that this is AOLs fault; they keep
> updating the protocol in (what seems to be) a non-backward compatible
> fashion.

Gotta love flag-day updates...

> Arggghhh, have you seen the recent version of Mirabilis ICQ?  It's not
> the licq ICQ98 days of yore; ICQ is now a shopping/mobile phone
> calling/fax/video phoning monstrosity, with some legacy IM
> capabilities remaining.

Even the java ICQ mobile/express/whatever-it's-called-this-week is a
bloated monstrosity.

> Anyhow, as I said, the new version of licq seems to work flawlessly,
> and the next release promises to fix any of the remaining protocol
> bugs.

Thank God.  Everybody I know worth talking to is on ICQ or can be hit
using talk...mostly on ICQ...

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 03:56:46PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote:
> Does anyone out there use ICQ under Debian? So far I've tried licq and
> gaim with the ICQ plugin, and both of them have very annoying problems
> (messages get lost, or messages from previous sessions get delivered
> again on client startup... this is a problem when you have 20+
> messages that come in everytime you start your ICQ client).

I've had that problem for a while now, but I just grabbed licq 1.0.4
from unstable and it seems to fix that problem nicely.  Apparently
1.0.4 will be the last version to use the old protocol; as someone
else suggested, you could give the CVS a try if 1.0.4 doesn't fix it.
The thing to remember tho, is that this is AOLs fault; they keep
updating the protocol in (what seems to be) a non-backward compatible
fashion.

> 
> I'm considering installing WINE and trying to get the Windows ICQ client
> to work, but that seems both iffy, and difficult, since I don't have a
> Windows machine anymore to steal DLL's from (although I do have a Win98
> CD, so I may be able to just extract them as needed).

Arggghhh, have you seen the recent version of Mirabilis ICQ?  It's not
the licq ICQ98 days of yore; ICQ is now a shopping/mobile phone
calling/fax/video phoning monstrosity, with some legacy IM
capabilities remaining.  

> 
> Suggestions would be very welcome at this point.  Unfortunately, the
> suggestion to drop ICQ for another IM is not feasible, due to the
> infamous Circumstances Beyond My Control (tm).

Anyhow, as I said, the new version of licq seems to work flawlessly,
and the next release promises to fix any of the remaining protocol
bugs.

-rob


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RE: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Jeff Bonner]

> > Does anyone out there use ICQ under Debian? So far I've 
> > tried licq and gaim with the ICQ plugin, and both of them
> > have very annoying problems (messages get lost, or messages
> > from previous sessions get delivered again on client startup...
> > this is a problem when you have 20+ messages that come in
> > everytime you start your ICQ client).
> 
> This is not a bug with licq, this is a problem with AOL.  AOL 
> is attempting to kill ICQ off by making it as unreliable as 
> possible. Annoy AOL if this bothers you.

That's interesting, and maybe explains some of the bizarre behavior
shown by my Trillian client.  I have seen ICQ itself fail to deliver
messages for a long time, but only Trillian "eats" my messages to other
people (actually one in particular) and it's annoying as hell.

Unfortunately Trillian hasn't been ported to Linux, but I sure hope it
does.  There's a poll question on their website of "wish-list items" and
that's one of them.  The Win32 0.71 version is great, and if it were
moved over, it would probably fit the bill perfectly in this case.
Maybe a few of us should goad them into making a Linux version?

Jeff Bonner

Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Simon Law]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Nori Heikkinen wrote:

> on Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:13:09AM -0800, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson insinuated:
> > 
> > What exactly is ytalk?
> 
> version of it.  scrolls text instead of wrapping it; doesn't show
> random old english and runic characters for delete symbols on another
> terminal; allows you to shell back to a prompt during a session (to
> the great annoyance of people with whom i'm ytalking, hehe); &c.
> that's all i've found about it in the month or two i've been using it,
> and it's been a great help in accounting for different terminal types
> from costa rica to austria and all the internet cafes in between.

The absolute best thing about ytalk is that you can chat with
more than one person at a time.  That's right, your window will be split
into 3 or 4 or however many people are in the session.

Simon

Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Nori Heikkinen]

on Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:13:09AM -0800, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson insinuated:
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> 
> > oh, i am a talk *geek*, and use it all the time on my school's student
> > server.  it's how i kept in touch with half my friends who were abroad
> > this past semester!  (ytalk's even better.)
> 
> What exactly is ytalk?

version of it.  scrolls text instead of wrapping it; doesn't show
random old english and runic characters for delete symbols on another
terminal; allows you to shell back to a prompt during a session (to
the great annoyance of people with whom i'm ytalking, hehe); &c.
that's all i've found about it in the month or two i've been using it,
and it's been a great help in accounting for different terminal types
from costa rica to austria and all the internet cafes in between.



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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Petter Isaksson]

Randy Orrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The problem that I've had with every ICQ client I've tried is that they
> keep my demand dialed ppp connection alive -- is there one that will

The problem here is that the icq-client needs to send keep-alive
packets (every 90-120 seconds, I think), else it will get kicked off
the server. So, in order to function, it has to keep your connection
alive. 

Regards,

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Pete Ryland]

On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 12:19:12AM -0500, dman wrote:
> (FWIW UNIX had the first IM called 'talk', too bad I never see it used
> anymore (in fact, I can't get it to work at school))

What about write(1)?  That came before talk didn't it?  And is more similar
to an IM IMO. :)

Pete

Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Paul 'Baloo' Johnson]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Erik Andreas Fjogstad Brandstadmoen wrote:

> Why not go for the original ICQ? For Java, that is. Works nicely.
> http://www.icq.com/download/ftp-java.html

Other than it's bloated, resource intensive, slow and buggy?

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Paul 'Baloo' Johnson]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Sven Hoexter wrote:

> I've build a licq CVS Snapshot a few days ago and it works very well.
> It supports the new protocol, has a little bit modified QT plugin etc.

I've seen the new QT plugin, it seems to be in unstable, but licq is
still flaking on ICQ.

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Paul 'Baloo' Johnson]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, dman wrote:

> Doesn't [y]talk allow communicating with remote machines as well?

Yes.

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Sven Hoexter]

On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 03:05:54AM -0500, Brian Clark wrote:
> * Benjamin Sommerfeld ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Jan 18. 2002 02:59]:

> > They changed the protocol in their new Windows Client so none of the
> > old clients is usable and there's no open source implementation of the
> > new protocol out yet, so there can be no usable Linux Client to this
> > day.
> 
> Some Linux clients *do* work with the new/changed protocol. I know
> centericq 4.5.x does, at least. I haven't had any problems with it, but
> I did have problems with others (like Licq). 
I've build a licq CVS Snapshot a few days ago and it works very well.
It supports the new protocol, has a little bit modified QT plugin etc.
You can build it in your home directory so it's an ease to kick it away
if you don't like it.

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Benjamin Sommerfeld]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Brian Clark wrote:

> * Benjamin Sommerfeld ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Jan 18. 2002 02:59]:
> 
> > The only possability to use ICQ these days in Linux is by using a ICQ
> > Java applet on the ICQ page. http://lite.icq.com
> 
> > They changed the protocol in their new Windows Client so none of the
> > old clients is usable and there's no open source implementation of the
> > new protocol out yet, so there can be no usable Linux Client to this
> > day.
> 
> Some Linux clients *do* work with the new/changed protocol. I know
> centericq 4.5.x does, at least. I haven't had any problems with it, but
> I did have problems with others (like Licq). 
> 

thanks for the advice! now i'm on icq again

> See: 
> 
> `ICQ Development with the ickle Library'
>  
> 
> 

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Paul 'Baloo' Johnson]

On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Nori Heikkinen wrote:

> oh, i am a talk *geek*, and use it all the time on my school's student
> server.  it's how i kept in touch with half my friends who were abroad
> this past semester!  (ytalk's even better.)

What exactly is ytalk?

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Paul 'Baloo' Johnson]

On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Mark Ferlatte wrote:

> Not suprised that it's not used much anymore, though... not too many
> multi-user Unix shell hosts left around.  I'm lucky to have accounts on
> a couple with large enough user-bases for old school Unix communication
> tools to still be useful.

I really luck out, all my Windows using friends use ICQ and all my unix
friends have talkd and fingerd...

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Paul 'Baloo' Johnson]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, dman wrote:

> Sometimes it is more convenient, and other times it isn't.
> (FWIW UNIX had the first IM called 'talk', too bad I never see it used
> anymore (in fact, I can't get it to work at school))

Talk and write.  These aren't as effective since it helps to finger to
see if it's worth bothering, and unfortunatley, not many people run
fingerd...

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Benjamin Sommerfeld]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Erik Andreas Fjogstad Brandstadmoen wrote:

> Mark Ferlatte wrote: 
> > Does anyone out there use ICQ under Debian? So far I've tried licq and
> > gaim with the ICQ plugin, and both of them have very annoying problems
> > (messages get lost, or messages from previous sessions get delivered
> > again on client startup... this is a problem when you have 20+
> > messages that come in everytime you start your ICQ client).
> 
> Why not go for the original ICQ? For Java, that is. Works nicely.
> http://www.icq.com/download/ftp-java.html

i just tried that thing and it didn't work at all

Ben

> 
> Erik. 
> 
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> 
> 
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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Brian Clark]

* Benjamin Sommerfeld ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Jan 18. 2002 02:59]:

> The only possability to use ICQ these days in Linux is by using a ICQ
> Java applet on the ICQ page. http://lite.icq.com

> They changed the protocol in their new Windows Client so none of the
> old clients is usable and there's no open source implementation of the
> new protocol out yet, so there can be no usable Linux Client to this
> day.

Some Linux clients *do* work with the new/changed protocol. I know
centericq 4.5.x does, at least. I haven't had any problems with it, but
I did have problems with others (like Licq). 

See: 

`ICQ Development with the ickle Library'
 

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Erik Andreas Fjogstad Brandstadmoen]

Mark Ferlatte wrote: 
> Does anyone out there use ICQ under Debian? So far I've tried licq and
> gaim with the ICQ plugin, and both of them have very annoying problems
> (messages get lost, or messages from previous sessions get delivered
> again on client startup... this is a problem when you have 20+
> messages that come in everytime you start your ICQ client).

Why not go for the original ICQ? For Java, that is. Works nicely.
http://www.icq.com/download/ftp-java.html

Erik. 

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Paul 'Baloo' Johnson]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Benjamin Sommerfeld wrote:

> The only possability to use ICQ these days in Linux is by using a ICQ Java
> applet on the ICQ page. http://lite.icq.com

I'm still using ICQ with the old client, just not reliably.

> They changed the protocol in their new Windows Client so none of the
> old clients is usable and there's no open source implementation of the
> new protocol out yet, so there can be no usable Linux Client to this
> day.

Figured they fscked the protocol (again)...

> With old clients you can get online, receive messages, but when you send
> messages they don't reach your pals.

Yeah, they do, just randomly...

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Benjamin Sommerfeld]

On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:


The only possability to use ICQ these days in Linux is by using a ICQ Java 
applet on the ICQ page. http://lite.icq.com

They changed the protocol in their new Windows Client so none of the old 
clients is usable and there's no open source implementation of the new 
protocol out yet, so there can be no usable Linux Client to this day.

With old clients you can get online, receive messages, but when you send 
messages they don't reach your pals.


> On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Mark Ferlatte wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone out there use ICQ under Debian? So far I've tried licq and
> > gaim with the ICQ plugin, and both of them have very annoying problems
> > (messages get lost, or messages from previous sessions get delivered
> > again on client startup... this is a problem when you have 20+
> > messages that come in everytime you start your ICQ client).
> 
> This is not a bug with licq, this is a problem with AOL.  AOL is
> attempting to kill ICQ off by making it as unreliable as possible.
> Annoy AOL if this bothers you.
> 
> > Suggestions would be very welcome at this point.  Unfortunately, the
> > suggestion to drop ICQ for another IM is not feasible, due to the
> > infamous Circumstances Beyond My Control (tm).
> 
> That and most other IMs suck more...
> 
> 

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Randy Orrison]

On Fri, 2002-01-18 at 04:12, Mark Ferlatte wrote:
> I've been using GnomeICU for the last 4 hours, and it hasn't had the
> repeated messages problem yet (after doing a couple of client restarts).
> gaim and licq did it on every client restart, so maybe GnomeICU solved
> my problem.

The problem that I've had with every ICQ client I've tried is that they
keep my demand dialed ppp connection alive -- is there one that will
allow me to specify how often to connect (so I can make it longer than
my ppp idle disconnect time), and configure it not to connect if the
connection is down?

Randy

Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[dman]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 11:40:37PM -0600, Nori Heikkinen wrote:
| on Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:19:12AM -0500, dman insinuated:
| > Sometimes it is more convenient, and other times it isn't. (FWIW
| > UNIX had the first IM called 'talk', too bad I never see it used
| > anymore (in fact, I can't get it to work at school))
| 
| oh, i am a talk *geek*, and use it all the time on my school's student
| server.  it's how i kept in touch with half my friends who were abroad
| this past semester!

So, someone logs in on the console.  This is Solaris 8 on Sun SPARC
stations.  I log in remotely and run "who" and see them logged in to
several ttys.  How do I get talk to actually prompt them to complete
the connection?  Every time I've tried, talk sits on my terminal
waiting and nothing appears on the other screen.  (though I have used
talk successfully a few years ago while the systems were still solaris
7)

| (ytalk's even better.)

So I've heard, but

harmony [278]$ ytalk
bash: ytalk: command not found

it's not on those machines.


(Mark :)
Doesn't [y]talk allow communicating with remote machines as well?

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Nori Heikkinen]

on Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:19:12AM -0500, dman insinuated:
> Sometimes it is more convenient, and other times it isn't. (FWIW
> UNIX had the first IM called 'talk', too bad I never see it used
> anymore (in fact, I can't get it to work at school))

oh, i am a talk *geek*, and use it all the time on my school's student
server.  it's how i kept in touch with half my friends who were abroad
this past semester!  (ytalk's even better.)



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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Brian Clark]

* dman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Jan 18. 2002 00:12]:

> On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 07:51:58PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote:

> | I never understood the appeal of an IM, other than it tells you if
> | someone's online.  Email always seemed to be plenty fast enough, and a
> | lot easier to deal with.

[...]

> (FWIW UNIX had the first IM called 'talk', too bad I never see it used
> anymore (in fact, I can't get it to work at school))

How about kibitz? :-) I think it still comes packaged in the examples
directory with expect. If you need to carry on a conversation it's
pretty annoying, but it can be fun.

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Brian Clark]

* David Gardi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Jan 17. 2002 20:07]:

> Mark Ferlatte wrote:

> >Does anyone out there use ICQ under Debian? So far I've tried licq
> >and gaim with the ICQ plugin, and both of them have very annoying
> >problems (messages get lost, or messages from previous sessions get
> >delivered again on client startup... this is a problem when you have
> >20+ messages that come in everytime you start your ICQ client).

[...]

> I used to use centericq, it is a console app, and I think it's quite
> nice.

I have to second that. If you'd rather have a console type client,
centericq is really good. As of version 4.5.0, it "works" fine with the
changes over at AOL. IOW, you don't get the random-dropped-messages-
without-notification-thing going on.

If there isn't a .deb for 4.5.x, you should be able to build it from
source. That's what I did.



It's seems to be actively developed, and the author is a friendly guy.

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Mark Ferlatte]

On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 12:19:12AM -0500, dman wrote (1.00):
> (FWIW UNIX had the first IM called 'talk', too bad I never see it used
> anymore (in fact, I can't get it to work at school))

Heh.  I use talk all the time, but it's different from IM's... (although
I guess the "chat mode" of ICQ, etc would be more like talk than the
silly "interrupt your workflow and yammer messages at you" mode)

Not suprised that it's not used much anymore, though... not too many
multi-user Unix shell hosts left around.  I'm lucky to have accounts on
a couple with large enough user-bases for old school Unix communication
tools to still be useful.

M



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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[dman]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 07:51:58PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote:
 
| I never understood the appeal of an IM, other than it tells you if
| someone's online.  Email always seemed to be plenty fast enough, and a
| lot easier to deal with.

Emails are better for asynchronous communication.  I write a lot,
perhaps covering multiple topics, then you write back sooner or later.
IM is real-time and is suited for synchronous communication.
Sometimes it is more convenient, and other times it isn't.
(FWIW UNIX had the first IM called 'talk', too bad I never see it used
anymore (in fact, I can't get it to work at school))

-D

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Nori Heikkinen]

on Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:51:58PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte insinuated:
> I never understood the appeal of an IM, other than it tells you if
> someone's online.  Email always seemed to be plenty fast enough, and
> a lot easier to deal with.

different medium, different mode of communication.  i have different
types of interaction with the same person on icq, over email, in
person, on the phone, in letters ... same idea, different technology /
implementation.



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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Mark Ferlatte]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 09:56:32PM -0600, Colin Watson wrote (0.50):
> Any client that hasn't been updated yet to use the new protocol will
> have this problem. Some updates are in progress in Debian unstable.

I've been using GnomeICU for the last 4 hours, and it hasn't had the
repeated messages problem yet (after doing a couple of client restarts).
gaim and licq did it on every client restart, so maybe GnomeICU solved
my problem.

M



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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Colin Watson]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 03:56:46PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote:
> Does anyone out there use ICQ under Debian? So far I've tried licq and
> gaim with the ICQ plugin, and both of them have very annoying problems
> (messages get lost, or messages from previous sessions get delivered
> again on client startup... this is a problem when you have 20+
> messages that come in everytime you start your ICQ client).

Any client that hasn't been updated yet to use the new protocol will
have this problem. Some updates are in progress in Debian unstable.

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Mark Ferlatte]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 07:45:37PM -0800, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote (0.44):
> This is not a bug with licq, this is a problem with AOL.  AOL is
> attempting to kill ICQ off by making it as unreliable as possible.
> Annoy AOL if this bothers you.

Doesn't bother me in the slightest... I'm only using ICQ for job related
purposes, and I think it's a load of crap.

> > Suggestions would be very welcome at this point.  Unfortunately, the
> > suggestion to drop ICQ for another IM is not feasible, due to the
> > infamous Circumstances Beyond My Control (tm).
> 
> That and most other IMs suck more...

I never understood the appeal of an IM, other than it tells you if
someone's online.  Email always seemed to be plenty fast enough, and a
lot easier to deal with.

M


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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Paul 'Baloo' Johnson]

On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, dman wrote:

> | I'm considering installing WINE and trying to get the Windows ICQ client
>
> Ugh!  That client is really really ugly.

And it wouldn't solve the mis-sends and duplicate messages...my roommate
across the hall and a buddy of mine across town both use the Windows ICQ
clients under Windows and they're getting the same problems.

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Paul 'Baloo' Johnson]

On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Mark Ferlatte wrote:

> Does anyone out there use ICQ under Debian? So far I've tried licq and
> gaim with the ICQ plugin, and both of them have very annoying problems
> (messages get lost, or messages from previous sessions get delivered
> again on client startup... this is a problem when you have 20+
> messages that come in everytime you start your ICQ client).

This is not a bug with licq, this is a problem with AOL.  AOL is
attempting to kill ICQ off by making it as unreliable as possible.
Annoy AOL if this bothers you.

> Suggestions would be very welcome at this point.  Unfortunately, the
> suggestion to drop ICQ for another IM is not feasible, due to the
> infamous Circumstances Beyond My Control (tm).

That and most other IMs suck more...

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Baloo

Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Nori Heikkinen]

on Fri, 18 Jan 2002 01:11:52AM +0100, marTin insinuated:
> nori, wanna help?

love to.  give me a few days to get my life packed up, across the
country, and back to the wired world, and then i'll go wild.  :)

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[darrell]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 03:56:46PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote:
| Does anyone out there use ICQ under Debian?

Not much recently, but I still sign on.  (#53433584)

I use 'everybuddy'.  It isn't complete, and icq can make it crash
sometimes, but it is nice. 


I used to use GnomeICU (and gaim for aim) which is also pretty.  Nice
panel applet too.

| I'm considering installing WINE and trying to get the Windows ICQ client

Ugh!  That client is really really ugly.

-D


i am using imici http://www.imici.com/, on debian woody - stable ,

had to get old stdc++ lib though

the free version has chat functionality, but not file transfer

it also does icq/msn/aim/yahoo - but again unless i am cluesless there

is no file transfer, which i kinda like, i have other means of doing

that



i abandoned everybuddy some time ago, but it seemed to work for me,

had to adjust server info if i recall correctly ( and use full hotmail

address, not just pre@, same as imici ) , but i have heard lately

other users of everybuddy having problems



darrell

Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[David Gardi]

Mark Ferlatte wrote:


Does anyone out there use ICQ under Debian? So far I've tried licq and
gaim with the ICQ plugin, and both of them have very annoying problems
(messages get lost, or messages from previous sessions get delivered
again on client startup... this is a problem when you have 20+
messages that come in everytime you start your ICQ client).

I'm considering installing WINE and trying to get the Windows ICQ client
to work, but that seems both iffy, and difficult, since I don't have a
Windows machine anymore to steal DLL's from (although I do have a Win98
CD, so I may be able to just extract them as needed).

Suggestions would be very welcome at this point.  Unfortunately, the
suggestion to drop ICQ for another IM is not feasible, due to the
infamous Circumstances Beyond My Control (tm).

Thanks for any help,

M



I used to use centericq, it is a console app, and I think it's quite nice.

apt-get install centericq

David.

Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Baris Hasdemir]

On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:56:46 -0800
Mark Ferlatte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Does anyone out there use ICQ under Debian? So far I've tried licq and
> gaim with the ICQ plugin, and both of them have very annoying problems
> <...>

I am using gaim 0.50 on slackware, I don't think that it wont work on
debian. but the trick is not using the ICQ protocol but the OSCAR
protocol which is the new protocol that ICQ uses.

baris

Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[John Griffiths]

At 04:22 PM 1/17/02 -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote:
>On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 07:27:39PM -0500, dman wrote (1.00):
>> | I'm considering installing WINE and trying to get the Windows ICQ client
>> 
>> Ugh!  That client is really really ugly.
>
>I don't care so much about how ugly it is, I just need it to work well.
>

Unless you're running dual athlon's with a gig of RAM I'd advise staying
away from the WINE + ICQ

the new ICQ clients are resources pigs of the first water to begin with.

ICQ have got a web-based interface these days called ICQ lite,

i guess thats just a giant chat room really

Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Mark Ferlatte]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 07:27:39PM -0500, dman wrote (1.00):
> | I'm considering installing WINE and trying to get the Windows ICQ client
> 
> Ugh!  That client is really really ugly.

I don't care so much about how ugly it is, I just need it to work well.

I'm currently trying GnomeICU, as I don't mind dependencies as much as
Martin.  :)

I'll mail back with my impressions... so far, gaim has the nicest
interface and I'm sure it works fine with AOL IM, but it's ICQ support
wasn't good enough.  :(

M



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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[dman]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 03:56:46PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote:
| Does anyone out there use ICQ under Debian?

Not much recently, but I still sign on.  (#53433584)

I use 'everybuddy'.  It isn't complete, and icq can make it crash
sometimes, but it is nice. 

I used to use GnomeICU (and gaim for aim) which is also pretty.  Nice
panel applet too.
 
| I'm considering installing WINE and trying to get the Windows ICQ client

Ugh!  That client is really really ugly.

-D

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[John Griffiths]

>
>  fishbowl:~> apt-cache search icq
>- centericq - A text-mode icq client based on ncurses
>X everybuddy - An all in one messaging client
>X gaim - GPL clone of AOL Instant Messenger - GTK version
>D gnomeicu - Small, fast and functional clone of Mirabilis' ICQ
>+ jabber - Daemon for the jabber.org Open Source Instant Messenger
>D konverse - a Jabber client for KDE
>* psi - jabber client using qt
>- vicq - A simple, Perl-based ICQ client
>- licq-ssl - ICQ clone (base files)
>D gabber - A GNOME Jabber client.
>D kicq - ICQ (I seek you) client for KDE
>- licq - ICQ clone (base files)
>- micq - text based ICQ client with many features
>D gabber-ssl - A GNOME Jabber client.
>

Jabber is great for jabber2jabber communication, barely functional for
general ICQ work.

psi is new to me

John

Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[martin f krafft]

also sprach Mark Ferlatte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.18.0056 +0100]:
> Does anyone out there use ICQ under Debian? So far I've tried licq and
> gaim with the ICQ plugin, and both of them have very annoying problems
> (messages get lost, or messages from previous sessions get delivered
> again on client startup... this is a problem when you have 20+
> messages that come in everytime you start your ICQ client).

yes, i have the same problems with licq. let's go find a new one
together, shall we? i do want a graphical one though that can stick
nicely in one corner of my windowmaker... i'd also like *no* KDE or
Gnome dependencies...

nori, wanna help?

(the following list is edited. execute the command yourself to get a
full listing).

+  -->   worth a look
*  -->   don't know
-  -->   doesn't sound good
D  -->   bad dependencies
X  -->   sucks

  fishbowl:~> apt-cache search icq
- centericq - A text-mode icq client based on ncurses
X everybuddy - An all in one messaging client
X gaim - GPL clone of AOL Instant Messenger - GTK version
D gnomeicu - Small, fast and functional clone of Mirabilis' ICQ
+ jabber - Daemon for the jabber.org Open Source Instant Messenger
D konverse - a Jabber client for KDE
* psi - jabber client using qt
- vicq - A simple, Perl-based ICQ client
- licq-ssl - ICQ clone (base files)
D gabber - A GNOME Jabber client.
D kicq - ICQ (I seek you) client for KDE
- licq - ICQ clone (base files)
- micq - text based ICQ client with many features
D gabber-ssl - A GNOME Jabber client.


i'll have a look at jabber and psi.

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Re: Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[John Griffiths]

>
>Suggestions would be very welcome at this point.  Unfortunately, the
>suggestion to drop ICQ for another IM is not feasible, due to the
>infamous Circumstances Beyond My Control (tm).
>
>Thanks for any help,
>
>M

Gnome ICU did everything I wanted and more, been a year since I used it
though

Linux ICQ client that doesn't suck?

[Mark Ferlatte]

Does anyone out there use ICQ under Debian? So far I've tried licq and
gaim with the ICQ plugin, and both of them have very annoying problems
(messages get lost, or messages from previous sessions get delivered
again on client startup... this is a problem when you have 20+
messages that come in everytime you start your ICQ client).

I'm considering installing WINE and trying to get the Windows ICQ client
to work, but that seems both iffy, and difficult, since I don't have a
Windows machine anymore to steal DLL's from (although I do have a Win98
CD, so I may be able to just extract them as needed).

Suggestions would be very welcome at this point.  Unfortunately, the
suggestion to drop ICQ for another IM is not feasible, due to the
infamous Circumstances Beyond My Control (tm).

Thanks for any help,

M


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