Re: Syncing Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account

[John Hasler]

Thatnk you.  That looks useful.
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Re: Syncing Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account

[TRS-80]

John Hasler  writes:

> Is there a way to Sync Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account?

It's not 'sync' but I use the Add-On called 'Export Tabs URLs'.  I like
its ability to customize the link export format, in my case to Orgmode
style.

There are a number of 'tab export' Add-Ons doing variations on the same
theme.

I save them to a file in a directory which is synced across devices
using Syncthing.  It's a bit of a manual process, but I don't do it
often enough that it bothers me.

For true 'sync' you may need to run some sort of standalone
(self-hosted) Firefox sync server.  I seem to recall reading about such
things, but never investigated further as that was not a need I had.

-- 
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Re: Syncing Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account

[John Hasler]

Curt writes:
> You can right-click on a tab and select bookmark all tabs, which can
> later be accessed and opened from the bookmarks menu or the library
> button

Very useful.  Thank you.
-- 
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j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Re: Syncing Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account

[Curt Saltzman]

You can right-click on a tab  and select bookmark all tabs, which can
later be accessed and opened from the bookmarks menu or the library button.

- Curt

Re: Syncing Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account

[Dan Ritter]

John Hasler wrote: 
> Is there a way to  Sync Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account?

Yes, but it requires you to run a Mozilla Sync Server and a
Mozilla Accounts Server.

https://mozilla-services.readthedocs.io/en/latest/howtos/run-fxa.html

-dsr-

Re: Syncing Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account

[John Hasler]

Celejar writes:
> There's this one, although it apparently requires a Google account:

> https://github.com/sienori/Tab-Session-Manager

No chance of that.  Gives me some keywords to search for, though.
-- 
John Hasler 
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Syncing Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account

[Celejar]

On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:52:45 -0600
John Hasler  wrote:

> Alex writes:
> > I think you may be looking for something like xBrowserSync
> > https://github.com/xbrowsersync/app
> 
> Thank you.  This appears to only do bookmarks.

There's this one, although it apparently requires a Google account:

https://github.com/sienori/Tab-Session-Manager

-- 
Celejar

Re: Syncing Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account

[John Hasler]

Alex writes:
> I think you may be looking for something like xBrowserSync
> https://github.com/xbrowsersync/app

Thank you.  This appears to only do bookmarks.
-- 
John Hasler 
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Syncing Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account

[Alex]

On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:01:15 -0600
John Hasler  wrote:

> Is there a way to  Sync Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account?

I think you may be looking for something like xBrowserSync
https://github.com/xbrowsersync/app

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Syncing Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account

[John Hasler]

Is there a way to  Sync Firefox tabs without a Mozilla account?
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Re: Mozilla prefs.js & user.js (was: TBird mail)

[Felix Miata]

Kamil Jońca composed on 2022-12-07 09:16 (UTC+0100):

> gene heskett wrote:

>> Am I to add these below? According to the top of the file, t-bird must
>> be stopped before editing as it saves this anew when stopping.

>>>>>> user_pref("mail.quoteasblock", false);
>>>>>> user_pref("mail.quoted_graphical", false);

> I am not sure, but ... prefs.js is overwritten by thunderbird, if you
> want changes to be persistend you should edit (possibly create) user.js
> file.

To edit a Mozilla profile's prefs.js file successfully requires the app be 
closed
and the additions be placed in alphabetical order. Mozilla apps rewrite the file
with every use, so you cannot expect random changes to stick. Those you wish
guaranteed to persist must be written to user.js, which you must create and 
manage
all by yourself instead. Mozilla apps treat user.js as a readonly file to be 
read
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Re: Mozilla VPN on Debian?

[Anssi Saari]

D&P Dimov  writes:

> And since you mentioned that you wouldn't sign up for it, do you have another 
> VPN
> provider/service that you would recommend that works in Debian Buster 
> (stable) with just free
> software?

I've used AirVPN before (https://airvpn.org/), they have a web page for
generating a configuration file for openvpn.

Re: Mozilla VPN on Debian?

[D&P Dimov]

 

On Saturday, February 27, 2021, 5:43:25 AM EST, Anssi Saari  
wrote:  
 
 Brian  writes:

> On Fri 26 Feb 2021 at 18:04:28 +, D&P Dimov wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> Mozilla VPN is supposed to work on Ubuntu, but I wonder if it will
>> work on Debian as well, considering that Ubintu is build on Debian.
>> Has anyone tried? (The Mozilla support was not helpful in answering my
>> question).
>
> Nothing to do with Debian. How about signing up for the service and
> giving us a review of it?

I don't think I will sign up for it but with a quick look, Wireguard
should be possible to configure even in NetworkManager. Although not
with NetworkManager 1.14 in Debian Buster. But there are wireguard
packages for Buster.

However, if whatever parameters wireguard happens to need can be pried
from Mozilla then there should be no need to bother with their client?
Which is at least open source and available from
https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/mozilla-vpn-client

And in fact, Mullvad, which is the actual VPN provider for Mozilla,
makes a Wireguard config available on their web page. At least if you
have an account with them. No idea if that works if you bought from
Mozilla and not Mullvad.
---
REPLY:Anssi,(Sorry yahoo won't format the reply inline with ">)My Debian stable 
does have network-manager 1.14. And I don't know that I'd be able to pry the 
the parameters needed.Also, you are right about Mullvad, and I see that if I 
get the service from Mullvad, instead of from Mozilla (for a slightly higher 
price), they do provide an installation file for Debian:wget 
--content-disposition https://mullvad.net/download/app/deb/latest
sudo apt-get -y install gdebi-core && sudo gdebi MullvadVPN-.X_amd64.deband 
it seems to be GPL licensed: 
https://github.com/mullvad/mullvadvpn-app/blob/master/LICENSE.md
I think this is the easiest way to for me to go.
And since you mentioned that you wouldn't sign up for it, do you have another 
VPN provider/service that you would recommend that works in Debian Buster 
(stable) with just free software?Thanks!Luben
  

Re: Mozilla VPN on Debian?

[Anssi Saari]

Brian  writes:

> On Fri 26 Feb 2021 at 18:04:28 +, D&P Dimov wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> Mozilla VPN is supposed to work on Ubuntu, but I wonder if it will
>> work on Debian as well, considering that Ubintu is build on Debian.
>> Has anyone tried? (The Mozilla support was not helpful in answering my
>> question).
>
> Nothing to do with Debian. How about signing up for the service and
> giving us a review of it?

I don't think I will sign up for it but with a quick look, Wireguard
should be possible to configure even in NetworkManager. Although not
with NetworkManager 1.14 in Debian Buster. But there are wireguard
packages for Buster.

However, if whatever parameters wireguard happens to need can be pried
from Mozilla then there should be no need to bother with their client?
Which is at least open source and available from
https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/mozilla-vpn-client

And in fact, Mullvad, which is the actual VPN provider for Mozilla,
makes a Wireguard config available on their web page. At least if you
have an account with them. No idea if that works if you bought from
Mozilla and not Mullvad.

Re: Mozilla VPN on Debian?

[Darac Marjal]

On 26/02/2021 21:27, Dan Ritter wrote:
> D&P Dimov wrote: 
>>  
>> On Friday, February 26, 2021, 3:16:03 PM EST, Dan Ritter 
>>  wrote: 
>> D&P Dimov wrote: 
>>> Hello,
>>> Mozilla VPN is supposed to work on Ubuntu, but I wonder if it will work on 
>>> Debian as well, considering that Ubintu is build on Debian. Has anyone 
>>> tried? (The Mozilla support was not helpful in answering my question).
>> What protocol is the Mozilla VPN? Most common ones are supported
>> in Debian.
>>
>> Dan, they use WireGuard. 
>>
>> These are the installation instructions they provide:
>> Install commands:
>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillacorp/mozillavpn
>> sudo apt-get update
>> sudo apt-get install mozillavpn
>>
>> Run command:
>> mozillavpn
>> If I try to install it, is there a chance it will screw up my system? If 
>> not, I can try it. If it doesn't work, should 
>> apt-get remove mozillavpndo be able to uninstall/remove it?
> Maybe. add-apt-repository won't work, that's for sure. You could
> look it up and add it in /etc/apt/sources.d/ and then run

Why not?

❯ dpkg -S add-apt-repository
software-properties-common: /usr/bin/add-apt-repository
software-properties-common: /usr/share/man/man1/add-apt-repository.1.gz

❯ apt policy software-properties-common
software-properties-common:
  Installed: 0.96.20.2-2.1
  Candidate: 0.96.20.2-2.1
  Version table:
 *** 0.96.20.2-2.1 990
    990 http://deb.debian.org/debian testing/main amd64 Packages
    990 http://deb.debian.org/debian testing/main i386 Packages
    500 http://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
    500 http://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main i386 Packages
    100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 0.96.20.2-2 500
    500 http://deb.debian.org/debian stable/main amd64 Packages
    500 http://deb.debian.org/debian stable/main i386 Packages

So add-apt-repository is in debian. The man page even mentions that it
handles "ppa:/" repositories, so I don't see what's so
"for sure" about it not working.


>
> apt update
> apt show mozillavpn
>
> and look at what it Depends on. If it's self-contained, it will
> probably work. If it drags in new versions of libraries, you
> could potentially trash your system. The term is FrankenDebian,
> to suggest Frankenstein's monster bolted together from spare
> parts.
>
> But wireguard is directly supported by Debian; it's in
> buster-backports. One option would be to get an Ubuntu system
> long enough to acquire the wireguard key -- perhaps in a VM --
> and then use the key in a normal /etc/wireguard/wg0.conf setup.
>
> -dsr-
>



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Re: Mozilla VPN on Debian?

[Dan Ritter]

D&P Dimov wrote: 
>  
> On Friday, February 26, 2021, 3:16:03 PM EST, Dan Ritter 
>  wrote: 
> D&P Dimov wrote: 
> > Hello,
> > Mozilla VPN is supposed to work on Ubuntu, but I wonder if it will work on 
> > Debian as well, considering that Ubintu is build on Debian. Has anyone 
> > tried? (The Mozilla support was not helpful in answering my question).
> 
> What protocol is the Mozilla VPN? Most common ones are supported
> in Debian.
> 
> Dan, they use WireGuard. 
> 
> These are the installation instructions they provide:
> Install commands:
> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillacorp/mozillavpn
> sudo apt-get update
> sudo apt-get install mozillavpn
> 
> Run command:
> mozillavpn
> If I try to install it, is there a chance it will screw up my system? If not, 
> I can try it. If it doesn't work, should 
> apt-get remove mozillavpndo be able to uninstall/remove it?

Maybe. add-apt-repository won't work, that's for sure. You could
look it up and add it in /etc/apt/sources.d/ and then run

apt update
apt show mozillavpn

and look at what it Depends on. If it's self-contained, it will
probably work. If it drags in new versions of libraries, you
could potentially trash your system. The term is FrankenDebian,
to suggest Frankenstein's monster bolted together from spare
parts.

But wireguard is directly supported by Debian; it's in
buster-backports. One option would be to get an Ubuntu system
long enough to acquire the wireguard key -- perhaps in a VM --
and then use the key in a normal /etc/wireguard/wg0.conf setup.

-dsr-

Re: Mozilla VPN on Debian?

[Dan Ritter]

D&P Dimov wrote: 
> Hello,
> Mozilla VPN is supposed to work on Ubuntu, but I wonder if it will work on 
> Debian as well, considering that Ubintu is build on Debian. Has anyone tried? 
> (The Mozilla support was not helpful in answering my question).

What protocol is the Mozilla VPN? Most common ones are supported
in Debian.

-dsr-

Re: Mozilla VPN on Debian?

[Brian]

On Fri 26 Feb 2021 at 18:04:28 +, D&P Dimov wrote:

> Hello,
> Mozilla VPN is supposed to work on Ubuntu, but I wonder if it will
> work on Debian as well, considering that Ubintu is build on Debian.
> Has anyone tried? (The Mozilla support was not helpful in answering my
> question).

Nothing to do with Debian. How about signing up for the service and
giving us a review of it?

-- 
Brian.

Re: automatic answer in mozilla-thunderbird email programm

[Ángel]

On 2021-01-02 at 16:29 +0100, steef wrote:
> Hi out there!
> 
> How can I setup an automatic answer-email in mozilla-thunderbird? A
> maybe rather stupid question but somehow i cannot get it done this
> time.
> 
> regards,
> steef

Hi there steef

See the instructions at 
https://amitlyblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/12/how-to-set-up-an-out-of-office-auto-reply-in-thunderbird/

but do note that you will need to have thunderbird running for those
auto-replies to fire (otherwise they will run next time you open it).
For this reason, if the server supports automatic replies / out-of-
office messages it is preferable to use those (you can generally access
them via webmail interface).

Best regards

automatic answer in mozilla-thunderbird email programm

[steef]

Hi out there!

How can I setup an automatic answer-email in mozilla-thunderbird? A maybe 
rather stupid question but somehow i cannot get it done this time.

regards,
steef

Firefox: Some buttons on mozilla web pages do nothing when pressed

[EDWARD JONES]

I use Firefox 60.8.0esr-1~deb10 which is a package in Debian 10.0 (stable).


I have had the following problems with Firefox for several days.



The following problem suddenly went away today. I did not do anything. But
History Cleaner was last updated on August 9, 2019.  Today!


I go to the page:


https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/history-cleaner/?src=search


I click on "+Add to Firefox". A small box appears at the top. I click on
"Add". It hangs. The browser console says:


"PopupNotifications._onButtonEvent: Button click happened before the window
was focused"


The "Cancel" option in the box also fails.



Click "Help", then click "Troubleshooting information". A few lines down is
a box that says "Open Directory". Nothing happens when I click on the box.



Go to the Refresh Firefox page at:


https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/refresh-firefox-reset-add-ons-and-settings


There is a box saying "Refresh Firefox". Clicking on the box does nothing.


Thanks.

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Curt]

On 2019-02-07, deloptes  wrote:
> Curt wrote:
>
>> I thought the $10,000 rule had to do with *cash*.
>> 
>> Cash does not include:
>> 
>> • Personal checks drawn on the account of the writer.
>> • A cashier’s check, bank draft, traveler’s check or money order with a
>> face value of more than $10,000.
>> 
>> https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/irsform8300referenceguide.pdf
>> 
>> Maybe I'm missing something here.
>
> Don't know how it is in US - here if you want to withdraw more than 5000,-
> cash from the local bank office, you have to request it upfront
>

Not related to the price of tea in China.

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 07 February 2019 12:57:15 Ric Moore wrote:

> On 2/6/19 8:30 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 06 February 2019 20:15:48 John Hasler wrote:
> >> Gene writes:
> >>> I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
> >>> bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
> >>> car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has
> >>> to be reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write one
> >>> for $ one day, and the balance the next day. As long as the
> >>> account is good for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to
> >>> replace a 20 yo rust bucket that getting dangerous to drive.
> >>
> >> People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way. 
> >> The government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal
> >> activity was involved or intended: evading the reporting
> >> requirements is a crime in itself.
> >
> > Maybe, but if they jailed everybody that did it, we'd need at least
> > 20x more beds in the jails.+
>
> No kidding. Gene, I'm finally getting my dream sailboat, at almost 70
> years old, and I'll be spending a lot more than 10k. But, it will be
> up to my bank to report the transaction, not me.
>
Bruce has one he'd like to sell. Older, cuddy cabin, towable by even a 
small car. Probably needs more than a paint job by now. But likely less 
than 10k too.  if interested.

> "Do what you want because a pirate is free, you are a pirate!"
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8ju_10NkGY
> Yo ho Ric


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Ric Moore]

On 2/6/19 8:30 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Wednesday 06 February 2019 20:15:48 John Hasler wrote:


Gene writes:

I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has to
be reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write one for
$ one day, and the balance the next day. As long as the account
is good for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to replace a
20 yo rust bucket that getting dangerous to drive.


People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way.  The
government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal activity was
involved or intended: evading the reporting requirements is a crime in
itself.


Maybe, but if they jailed everybody that did it, we'd need at least 20x
more beds in the jails.+



No kidding. Gene, I'm finally getting my dream sailboat, at almost 70 
years old, and I'll be spending a lot more than 10k. But, it will be up 
to my bank to report the transaction, not me.


"Do what you want because a pirate is free, you are a pirate!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8ju_10NkGY
Yo ho Ric

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Curt]

On 2019-02-07, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>
> I think we've about worn this off topic thread out. The $10,000 rule is 
> what it is wherever you are doing business.
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

For me the rule is defined by the IRS and the FinCEN. The very heading
of IRS form 8300--"Report of Cash Payments Over $10,000 Received in a
Trade or Business"--appears to leave little wiggle room for subjective
interpretation in the matter.

The perversity of the thing is, Gene, as I've pointed out elsewhere, for
certain monetary instruments which normally would not fall foul of the
reporting requirement when used in good faith, attempting to use those
same instruments in such a manner as to avoid triggering the reporting
requirement results in the triggering of the reporting requirement.

As those monetary instruments do not comprise the personal check, however,
both you and your used car salesman can breathe easy.

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 07 February 2019 05:19:54 Curt wrote:

> On 2019-02-07, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > On Wednesday 06 February 2019 20:15:48 John Hasler wrote:
> >> Gene writes:
> >> > I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
> >> > bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
> >> > car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has
> >> > to be reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write
> >> > one for $ one day, and the balance the next day. As long as
> >> > the account is good for it, what business is it I buy a new truck
> >> > to replace a 20 yo rust bucket that getting dangerous to drive.
> >>
> >> People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way. 
> >> The government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal
> >> activity was involved or intended: evading the reporting
> >> requirements is a crime in itself.
> >
> > Maybe, but if they jailed everybody that did it, we'd need at least
> > 20x more beds in the jails.+
> >
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> I thought the $10,000 rule had to do with *cash*.
>
>  Cash does not include:
>
>   • Personal checks drawn on the account of the writer.
>   • A cashier’s check, bank draft, traveler’s check or money order
> with a face value of more than $10,000.
>
> https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/irsform8300referenceguide.pdf
>
> Maybe I'm missing something here.

Or my fav used car dealer, a good member of our church, who's sold me the 
last 5 vehicles we've worn out, running a 2 site business his 
grandfather started about the end of WW-II. And that's how he's done it 
since that $10,000 rule went into effect. Anytime I feel the need to 
refresh my driveway, I've alway found what I wanted, for a decent price.
Driveway occupants currently include a 2007 RAV4 that had 21,000 miles on 
it when I wrote 2 checks for it in 2011, now has 62k on it, and hasn't 
turned a wheel in months, but its sitting there with a charger on its 
battery because its computer will kill a battery in a week if its not 
moving.

Then a year back my 99 gmc pickup decided to rust thru its brake lines 
and start leaking axle grease at the spring hanger bolts, about a year 
after I'd put a new long block in it because the head gaskets failed and 
the old one had a pan full of antifreeze at 112k miles, I got it up to 
116k before rust was the ultimate enemy.  So now I'm in a 2011 Ford, 
ecoboost v6 that looked showroom when I got behind the wheel a year ago. 
Had 139k on it already, but I've not been very far with it so its at 
142,300 about now. Worst complaint is its poor mileage around town when 
using it for the daily driver. Way too easy to spool up the blowers and 
get some serious giddyup out of it.  Crew cab, full topper, first class 
all the way. But that giddyup has to move over 7000 lbs, so the mileage 
hovers at about 14.  Reset and go 435 one way to the nieces Dairy farm 
in NY and it will be showing just shy of 18 when it next pulls into the 
driveway.  I'd sell the toy, but I can't get the missus up into this 
cab, so it sits until I have to take her, her oxygen tank and her 
wheelchair someplace. Which hasn't happened since last summer.

I think we've about worn this off topic thread out. The $10,000 rule is 
what it is wherever you are doing business.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[deloptes]

Curt wrote:

> I thought the $10,000 rule had to do with *cash*.
> 
> Cash does not include:
> 
> • Personal checks drawn on the account of the writer.
> • A cashier’s check, bank draft, traveler’s check or money order with a
> face value of more than $10,000.
> 
> https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/irsform8300referenceguide.pdf
> 
> Maybe I'm missing something here.

Don't know how it is in US - here if you want to withdraw more than 5000,-
cash from the local bank office, you have to request it upfront

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Curt]

On 2019-02-07, deloptes  wrote:
>
> Same here, same here - limit is €1,-, so we do the same split all into
> work packages below 1,-
>

Le plafond concerne des paiements *en liquide* uniquement.

He's writing *checks*.

https://droit-finances.commentcamarche.com/faq/7183-paiement-en-especes-et-liquide-plafonds

The IRS is rather sly in its thinking, it seems, because if you pay for
your $12,000 truck with a $12,000 cashier's check, you do not trigger
the reporting requirement; however, if you pay for your truck with two
cashier's checks of $6,000 each, you do trigger the reporting
requirement, as in this latter case they figure you're attempting to
avert it.

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Curt]

On 2019-02-07, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> On Wednesday 06 February 2019 20:15:48 John Hasler wrote:
>
>> Gene writes:
>> > I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
>> > bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
>> > car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has to
>> > be reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write one for
>> > $ one day, and the balance the next day. As long as the account
>> > is good for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to replace a
>> > 20 yo rust bucket that getting dangerous to drive.
>>
>> People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way.  The
>> government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal activity was
>> involved or intended: evading the reporting requirements is a crime in
>> itself.
>
> Maybe, but if they jailed everybody that did it, we'd need at least 20x 
> more beds in the jails.+
>
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

I thought the $10,000 rule had to do with *cash*.

 Cash does not include:

  • Personal checks drawn on the account of the writer.
  • A cashier’s check, bank draft, traveler’s check or money order with a
face value of more than $10,000.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/irsform8300referenceguide.pdf

Maybe I'm missing something here.

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[deloptes]

Gene Heskett wrote:

> You are just playing in a bigger rodeo.  I have had to write 2 checks for
> the last 2 vehicles I've bought. Writing a single check for close to
> $20k for a good used car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k
> and over has to be reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I
> write one for $ one day, and the balance the next day. As long as
> the account is good for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to
> replace a 20 yo rust bucket that getting dangerous to drive.

Same here, same here - limit is €1,-, so we do the same split all into
work packages below 1,-

However I think they are watching if the wrong people are doing the
laundering :D. I just heard a story how civil border patrol in US caught 2
CIA employes with 100 pounds of white powder near the border and they
explained this belongs to CIA :D

Another option are the fees they collect - but I am not sure if it is per
transaction or %charge on the total.

regards

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Celejar]

On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 20:51:37 -0600
David Wright  wrote:

> On Wed 06 Feb 2019 at 19:15:48 (-0600), John Hasler wrote:
> > Gene writes:
> > > I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
> > > bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
> > > car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has to be
> > > reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write one for $
> > > one day, and the balance the next day. As long as the account is good
> > > for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to replace a 20 yo rust
> > > bucket that getting dangerous to drive.
> > 
> > People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way.  The
> > government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal activity was
> > involved or intended: evading the reporting requirements is a crime in
> > itself.
> 
> Isn't it the payee who's evading the reporting requirement? So a payer
> might try pleading ignorance as to why the payee asked for two cheques.

The practice is called structuring, and I think that, at least in the
U.S., the statute does cover payer conduct:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structuring

Celejar

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[David Wright]

On Wed 06 Feb 2019 at 19:15:48 (-0600), John Hasler wrote:
> Gene writes:
> > I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
> > bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
> > car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has to be
> > reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write one for $
> > one day, and the balance the next day. As long as the account is good
> > for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to replace a 20 yo rust
> > bucket that getting dangerous to drive.
> 
> People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way.  The
> government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal activity was
> involved or intended: evading the reporting requirements is a crime in
> itself.

Isn't it the payee who's evading the reporting requirement? So a payer
might try pleading ignorance as to why the payee asked for two cheques.

Cheers,
David.

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 06 February 2019 20:15:48 John Hasler wrote:

> Gene writes:
> > I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
> > bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
> > car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has to
> > be reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write one for
> > $ one day, and the balance the next day. As long as the account
> > is good for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to replace a
> > 20 yo rust bucket that getting dangerous to drive.
>
> People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way.  The
> government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal activity was
> involved or intended: evading the reporting requirements is a crime in
> itself.

Maybe, but if they jailed everybody that did it, we'd need at least 20x 
more beds in the jails.+


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[John Hasler]

Gene writes:
> I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
> bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
> car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has to be
> reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write one for $
> one day, and the balance the next day. As long as the account is good
> for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to replace a 20 yo rust
> bucket that getting dangerous to drive.

People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way.  The
government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal activity was
involved or intended: evading the reporting requirements is a crime in
itself.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 06 February 2019 12:46:29 deloptes wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Not that I know about ATM. But the woofs family has a few small
> > pieces of gas well royalties, and they always mail the checks so
> > they get here late Friday's, too late to hit the bank with such a
> > piddly deposit.  And by Monday its buried in this midden heap and
> > forgotten, so more than 1 $7 or $12 check has wound up in the
> > treasurers office and I have to claim them for her. Mailing it so it
> > gets here after the banks close on Friday is NOT anything but
> > intentional, they get to use your money for a little while longer.
> > Interesting what you can learn at the rodeo...
>
> very interesting - couple of years ago I learned about over night
> swaps ... and usually you are not getting bigger transfers same day.
> They (in the bank) say that bigger amounts need approval and it takes
> one day :) (in Europe) :)
> I am not sure if it changed now, cause they changed something last
> year - but I doubt cause it is so tasty. Especially if you know what
> will happen in the next 6 hours on wall street or in japan ...
>
> regards

You are just playing in a bigger rodeo.  I have had to write 2 checks for 
the last 2 vehicles I've bought. Writing a single check for close to 
$20k for a good used car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k 
and over has to be reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I 
write one for $ one day, and the balance the next day. As long as 
the account is good for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to 
replace a 20 yo rust bucket that getting dangerous to drive.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Dan Ritter]

John Hasler wrote: 
> Celejar writes:
> > https://pbsmarket.com/gdpr-for-bloggers/
> 
> This is ludidrous.  If you sell nothing to Europeans and have no
> business presence there you can ignore this.  It's easy to see why many
> site owners decide that the safer course is to block Europe, though,
> even if they are actually already in compliance.  From their point of
> view it's block Europe, hire an expensive lawyer to tell them how to
> comply, or risk prosecution.
> 
> I run a small site for my business.  I collect no data at all on
> visitors and use no JS, but I have no idea whether or not I'm in
> compliance and I have no intention of trying to find out.

You're in compliance.

GDPR is:

- written clearly
- makes reasonable sense given its premise
- scales requirements to what you are doing
- scales fines to how badly you are abusing the requirements

If you collect personal information, you need to be able to show that
it was gathered with the person's consent; correct it or delete it on
request of the particular person it's about, and you need to make it
easy for them to contact you to do those things. You need to be able to
state why you are collecting their information, how long you are keeping
their information, and have a policy about when you delete it.


You're not collecting personal data? No problem, you're done.


-dsr-

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[John Hasler]

Gene writes:
> nearest portal is 500 miles away over ipv4 circuits

That's what the tunnel is for.

But it sounds like you think ipV6 might get you more bandwidth.  It won't.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[deloptes]

to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> Attempt at an explanation: as IPV4 gets more and more exhausted,
> we're bound to see small slivers of IPV4 space "recycled" and
> allocated to random places -- IP address to geolocation "mapping"
> becoming more and more fractal and (time-) dynamic. Admins:
> enjoy maintaining your firewall rules!

My feeling is that might be all of that is managed from India or Malaysia
and perhaps no one knows what is going on.

I expect worse things in the future.

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[deloptes]

Gene Heskett wrote:

> Not that I know about ATM. But the woofs family has a few small pieces of
> gas well royalties, and they always mail the checks so they get here
> late Friday's, too late to hit the bank with such a piddly deposit.  And
> by Monday its buried in this midden heap and forgotten, so more than 1
> $7 or $12 check has wound up in the treasurers office and I have to
> claim them for her. Mailing it so it gets here after the banks close on
> Friday is NOT anything but intentional, they get to use your money for a
> little while longer. Interesting what you can learn at the rodeo...

very interesting - couple of years ago I learned about over night swaps ...
and usually you are not getting bigger transfers same day. They (in the
bank) say that bigger amounts need approval and it takes one day :) (in
Europe) :)
I am not sure if it changed now, cause they changed something last year -
but I doubt cause it is so tasty. Especially if you know what will happen
in the next 6 hours on wall street or in japan ...

regards

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 06 February 2019 08:04:59 John Hasler wrote:

> Gene writes:
> > I'm firmly in ipv4 country yet, and I don't know of an ipv6 facility
> > closer than Pittsburgh.
>
> Irrelvant.  Use a tunnel.  I've used these free tunnel brokers:
> https://ipv6.he.net/

nearest portal is 500 miles away over ipv4 circuits

> https://www.sixxs.net/main/

was sunsetted 3 years ago.

I just called my cable connection provider, and asked how far away 
timewise, is ipv6 connectivity in Weston WV.
" I don't know what this ipv6 is "

So me, and my ancient web page, are stuck in 10 megabit territory, can 
get 100 if I needed it for another 30 bucks a month, at an ipv4 address 
I just renewed in the December past for another 5 years at namecheap.  
Address in the sig.  And while its said to be dynamic, as long as I 
clone this buffalo routers MAC into whatever router I have  hooked up, 
its been a fixed address for the past 7 years.

One must be practical.  And my point is that the most important mile in 
any net connection, is the last mile to ones modem, and what bandwidth 
the modem is provisioned for. And I consistently measure about 11 or 12 
megabyte down and around 3 up. Meaning I am getting a wee bit more than 
I'm paying for. My telephone is also part of that bundle.  I long ago 
found Verizon's copper here in town, buried for 80+ years, had  very 
poor reliability, and to get Verizon to fix it for another week was 
taking complaints to the states PUC, and which was pissing Verizon off 
no end. So when the local cable was sold to Shentel and a whole new 
technical facility was constructed to support it, I voted with my wallet 
and had it all moved. Now the only service outages have been because the 
power is off long enough for their batteries to run down. I have my own 
power and the modem and my phone is back up 15 seconds after my power 
starts.  Cell phone service dies after their generators run out of fuel.

Takes half a day before their batteries go flat if the outage is wide 
spread.

Verizon sold the local phone system to Frontier, which try harder but its 
still the same old copper with all its problems.

So ipv6 is locally moot, John, and likely will not change within my 
remaining time on this ball of rock and water, which I just extended by 
getting a pacemaker with a ten year battery installed last month. Since 
I am 84 now, I expect something else will put a ~30~ on my story.

If and when it arrives locally, I expect the drones answering the phones 
at my provider will be made cognizant because its their job to sell me a 
better service.

>
> A complete list:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IPv6_tunnel_brokers


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[John Hasler]

Celejar writes:
> https://pbsmarket.com/gdpr-for-bloggers/

This is ludidrous.  If you sell nothing to Europeans and have no
business presence there you can ignore this.  It's easy to see why many
site owners decide that the safer course is to block Europe, though,
even if they are actually already in compliance.  From their point of
view it's block Europe, hire an expensive lawyer to tell them how to
comply, or risk prosecution.

I run a small site for my business.  I collect no data at all on
visitors and use no JS, but I have no idea whether or not I'm in
compliance and I have no intention of trying to find out.

My site is hosted by Gandi, though, and I believe it is still running on
their French servers.  I suppose I should move it to the USA just to
avoid the small risk of it being shut down for failure to register or
some such nonsense.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Celejar]

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:34:49 +0100
 wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 06:11:15PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > Hi.
> > 
> > On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 03:41:30PM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > > China? North Korea?
> > 
> > Site owner, of course. (No)thanks to GDPR, it's easier for US site to
> > block any visitor from Europe than to comply with legal regulations.
> 
> ;-P
> 
> But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly
> and don't serve javascript nasties. In short, don't be an asshole.
> 
> Funny that site owners have so many qualms over that...

I'm no GPDR expert, but isn't it much more complicated than that? I'm
not sure what sort of website the OP was talking about, but even for a
simple blog that allows comments, aren't there all sorts of other
requirements that would come into play? E.g.:

https://pbsmarket.com/gdpr-for-bloggers/

Celejar

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[John Hasler]

Gene writes:
> I'm firmly in ipv4 country yet, and I don't know of an ipv6 facility
> closer than Pittsburgh.

Irrelvant.  Use a tunnel.  I've used these free tunnel brokers:
https://ipv6.he.net/
https://www.sixxs.net/main/

A complete list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IPv6_tunnel_brokers
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 06 February 2019 03:10:18 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 09:42:04PM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> > to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > I'd guess the same. But... now it gets interesting: blocked by
> > > whom? China? North Korea?
> >
> > Yes just tried
> >
> >  whois wvsto.com
> >
> > and accessible from here Europe.
> > I don't think one would block this site
>
> Name resolution isn't a problem: it's the access to the host after
> that. Tcpdump shows the SYNs going out but no ACKs arriving, it looks
> like some silly firewall rule on the way.
>
> I tried a couple of times after that (once just after I saw Brad's
> positive response from the UK) -- the results are consistent for
> me.
>
> So our rough map is: France (near Paris), Germany (Berlin): out;
> Spain (Madrid): in, UK: in.
>
> So much for basing your "security" on the IPs you see :-D
>
> Attempt at an explanation: as IPV4 gets more and more exhausted,
> we're bound to see small slivers of IPV4 space "recycled" and
> allocated to random places -- IP address to geolocation "mapping"
> becoming more and more fractal and (time-) dynamic. Admins:
> enjoy maintaining your firewall rules!
>
> Cheers
> -- tomás

Yup, I'm firmly in ipv4 country yet, and I don't know of an ipv6 facility 
closer than Pittsburgh. I've used it experimentally here in my own 
little domain, but currently have it turned off (I think)

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 09:42:04PM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > I'd guess the same. But... now it gets interesting: blocked by whom?
> > China? North Korea?
> 
> Yes just tried
> 
>  whois wvsto.com
> 
> and accessible from here Europe.
> I don't think one would block this site

Name resolution isn't a problem: it's the access to the host after
that. Tcpdump shows the SYNs going out but no ACKs arriving, it looks
like some silly firewall rule on the way.

I tried a couple of times after that (once just after I saw Brad's
positive response from the UK) -- the results are consistent for
me.

So our rough map is: France (near Paris), Germany (Berlin): out;
Spain (Madrid): in, UK: in.

So much for basing your "security" on the IPs you see :-D

Attempt at an explanation: as IPV4 gets more and more exhausted,
we're bound to see small slivers of IPV4 space "recycled" and
allocated to random places -- IP address to geolocation "mapping"
becoming more and more fractal and (time-) dynamic. Admins:
enjoy maintaining your firewall rules!

Cheers
-- tomás


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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 05 February 2019 14:03:15 Curt wrote:

> On 2019-02-05, Elmo  wrote:
> > On Tue, 5 Feb 2019, Brad Rogers wrote:
> >> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:34:49 +0100
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello to...@tuxteam.de,
> >>
> >>> But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly
> >>
> >> I'm in the UK and can connect to the site in question.  Therefore,
> >> it's probably not a GDPR issue.
> >
> > ditto from Madrid, Spain.
>
> No ditto here from just outside gay Paris (well, some ten miles out as
> the duck flies). I say duck because they (ducks) seem to fly really
> straight and fast and true, whereas a crow kind of dawdles and diddles
> and circles and fiddles.
>
> So I used an online proxy located in the old US of A.  My version of
> Firefox worked fine on the WV Treasurer's Office site (though my
> search returned no results, maybe because Gene doesn't have any
> unclaimed property over there in WV, as I entered his name as a test
> case).
>
> > fjd

Not that I know about ATM. But the woofs family has a few small pieces of 
gas well royalties, and they always mail the checks so they get here 
late Friday's, too late to hit the bank with such a piddly deposit.  And 
by Monday its buried in this midden heap and forgotten, so more than 1 
$7 or $12 check has wound up in the treasurers office and I have to 
claim them for her. Mailing it so it gets here after the banks close on 
Friday is NOT anything but intentional, they get to use your money for a 
little while longer. Interesting what you can learn at the rodeo...

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 05 February 2019 09:41:30 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 09:32:01AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 05 February 2019 08:42:01 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 07:58:11AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > http://www.wvsto.com/Unclaimed-Property/Search-Claim
> > >
> > > It doesn't even connect for me. I lean even more strongly
> > > towards incompetent web "programmers". Sigh.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > -- t
> >
> > You're trying to access it from a .de domain? Probably blocked,
> > although I was alerted by a NY resident who wasn't blocked.
>
> I'd guess the same. But... now it gets interesting: blocked by whom?
> China? North Korea?
>
> Hmmm.

Since that office is John Perdues domain, it may be one of his firewall 
rules.  But thats just a SWAG, Tomas. But it makes more sense than any 
of the other WAG's I can dream up.

> Cheers
> -- t
Take care, Tomas.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[deloptes]

to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> I'd guess the same. But... now it gets interesting: blocked by whom?
> China? North Korea?

Yes just tried

 whois wvsto.com

and accessible from here Europe.
I don't think one would block this site

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Brian]

On Tue 05 Feb 2019 at 19:03:15 -, Curt wrote:

> On 2019-02-05, Elmo  wrote:
> > On Tue, 5 Feb 2019, Brad Rogers wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:34:49 +0100
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello to...@tuxteam.de,
> >>
> >>> But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly
> >>
> >> I'm in the UK and can connect to the site in question.  Therefore,
> >> it's probably not a GDPR issue.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > ditto from Madrid, Spain.
> 
> No ditto here from just outside gay Paris (well, some ten miles out as
> the duck flies). I say duck because they (ducks) seem to fly really
> straight and fast and true, whereas a crow kind of dawdles and diddles
> and circles and fiddles.

Research has shown that ducks have a much greater appreciation of the
space-time continuum than crows. Maybe that comes from living for part
of the time in a medium more susceptible to gravity.

> So I used an online proxy located in the old US of A.  My version of
> Firefox worked fine on the WV Treasurer's Office site (though my search
> returned no results, maybe because Gene doesn't have any unclaimed
> property over there in WV, as I entered his name as a test case).

Not a valid test. You didn't use a clapped out version of Debian.

-- 
Brian.

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Curt]

On 2019-02-05, Elmo  wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019, Brad Rogers wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:34:49 +0100
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hello to...@tuxteam.de,
>>
>>> But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly
>>
>> I'm in the UK and can connect to the site in question.  Therefore,
>> it's probably not a GDPR issue.
>>
>>
>
> ditto from Madrid, Spain.

No ditto here from just outside gay Paris (well, some ten miles out as
the duck flies). I say duck because they (ducks) seem to fly really
straight and fast and true, whereas a crow kind of dawdles and diddles
and circles and fiddles.

So I used an online proxy located in the old US of A.  My version of
Firefox worked fine on the WV Treasurer's Office site (though my search
returned no results, maybe because Gene doesn't have any unclaimed
property over there in WV, as I entered his name as a test case).


> fjd
>
>


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climb endlessly a ladder which turns like a wheel. 
Jean Rhys, Voyage in the Dark

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Elmo]

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019, Brad Rogers wrote:


On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:34:49 +0100
 wrote:

Hello to...@tuxteam.de,


But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly


I'm in the UK and can connect to the site in question.  Therefore,
it's probably not a GDPR issue.




ditto from Madrid, Spain.

fjd

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 04:06:12PM +, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:34:49 +0100
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello to...@tuxteam.de,
> 
> >But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly
> 
> I'm in the UK and can connect to the site in question.  Therefore,
> it's probably not a GDPR issue.

Or just lacking geographical knowledge among the web devels (or their
legal department).

Yeah. I'm having one of those days :-(

Cheers, anyway ;-)
-- t


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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Brad Rogers]

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:34:49 +0100
 wrote:

Hello to...@tuxteam.de,

>But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly

I'm in the UK and can connect to the site in question.  Therefore,
it's probably not a GDPR issue.

-- 
 Regards  _
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/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
Dream on white boy, dream on black girl
Original Sin - INXS


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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 06:11:15PM +0300, Reco wrote:
>   Hi.
> 
> On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 03:41:30PM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

[...]

> > China? North Korea?
> 
> Site owner, of course. (No)thanks to GDPR, it's easier for US site to
> block any visitor from Europe than to comply with legal regulations.

;-P

But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly
and don't serve javascript nasties. In short, don't be an asshole.

Funny that site owners have so many qualms over that...

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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Reco]

Hi.

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 03:41:30PM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 09:32:01AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 05 February 2019 08:42:01 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 07:58:11AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > http://www.wvsto.com/Unclaimed-Property/Search-Claim
> > >
> > > It doesn't even connect for me. I lean even more strongly
> > > towards incompetent web "programmers". Sigh.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > -- t
> > You're trying to access it from a .de domain? Probably blocked, although 
> > I was alerted by a NY resident who wasn't blocked.
> 
> I'd guess the same. But... now it gets interesting: blocked by whom?
> China? North Korea?

Site owner, of course. (No)thanks to GDPR, it's easier for US site to
block any visitor from Europe than to comply with legal regulations.

Reco

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 09:32:01AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 05 February 2019 08:42:01 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 07:58:11AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > http://www.wvsto.com/Unclaimed-Property/Search-Claim
> >
> > It doesn't even connect for me. I lean even more strongly
> > towards incompetent web "programmers". Sigh.
> >
> > Cheers
> > -- t
> You're trying to access it from a .de domain? Probably blocked, although 
> I was alerted by a NY resident who wasn't blocked.

I'd guess the same. But... now it gets interesting: blocked by whom?
China? North Korea?

Hmmm.

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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 05 February 2019 08:42:01 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 07:58:11AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > http://www.wvsto.com/Unclaimed-Property/Search-Claim
>
> It doesn't even connect for me. I lean even more strongly
> towards incompetent web "programmers". Sigh.
>
> Cheers
> -- t
You're trying to access it from a .de domain? Probably blocked, although 
I was alerted by a NY resident who wasn't blocked.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 08:39:52AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 05 February 2019 08:13:00 didier gaumet wrote:
[...]

> > - Java and Javascript are different things
> 
> I was using javascript as the keyword, and noscript is not installed.

That's what happens when mails cross in-flight ;-D

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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 08:00:40AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 05 February 2019 05:55:32 deloptes wrote:
> 
> > to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > Too little info to know really say something, but it seems that the
> > > web"masters" mis-typed some javascript: "URL" somewhere.

[...]

> I checked the about:config, no java related stuff is disabled.

As didier said, it's "javascript", not "java". A confusion which
is understandable in view of the similar names -- the similarity
is a marketing stunt by Netscape mid-90s for which we're still
paying through the nose :-(

By the way, you won't see anything javascript in your about:config,
you'll have to go to about:preferences and suffer a lecture by
your browser that you -- horrors! -- might be about breaking
something or that your cat might enter some Schrödinger state or
what not. Courtesy of the ever more rampant  infantilization of
browser user interfaces (or of software user interfaces in general).

The Wikipedia page on Javascript is recommended reading.

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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 05 February 2019 08:13:00 didier gaumet wrote:

> Le 05/02/2019 à 14:00, Gene Heskett a écrit :
> > I checked the about:config, no java related stuff is disabled.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> Hello Gene,
>
> - Java and Javascript are different things

I was using javascript as the keyword, and noscript is not installed.

> - If you have installed a Firefox extension like Noscript, it
> partially or totally disables scripts for certain languages, including
> Javascript - Have you installed Firefox from Mozilla or from the
> Wheezy repos? Firefox from Wheezy must be pretty old...

Wheezy repos. And it is old. Too many missing depends for a later 
version. I reinstalled a lot of stuff including the browsers, might be a 
little better this morning, the news videos aren't stalling as badly.


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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 07:58:11AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

[...]

> http://www.wvsto.com/Unclaimed-Property/Search-Claim

It doesn't even connect for me. I lean even more strongly
towards incompetent web "programmers". Sigh.

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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Curt]

On 2019-02-05, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> The address wasn’t understood
>
> Firefox doesn’t know how to open this address, because one of the 
> following protocols (javascript) isn’t associated with any program or is 
> not allowed in this context.
>
> You might need to install other software to open this address.
>
> I am on the states unclaimed property site, entering a name. clicking on 
> the Search button gets the above quoted response.
>
> Thanks everybody.  
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett


 about:config

 network.protocol-handler.external.javascript ---> set to false (default)
 javascript.enabled ---> set to true (default)

If you haven't fiddled with those values, of course (user set), there
should be nothing to do and it's back to the drawing board, I guess.

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[didier gaumet]

Le 05/02/2019 à 14:00, Gene Heskett a écrit :

> I checked the about:config, no java related stuff is disabled.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

Hello Gene,

- Java and Javascript are different things
- If you have installed a Firefox extension like Noscript, it partially
or totally disables scripts for certain languages, including Javascript
- Have you installed Firefox from Mozilla or from the Wheezy repos?
Firefox from Wheezy must be pretty old...

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 05 February 2019 05:55:32 deloptes wrote:

> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > Too little info to know really say something, but it seems that the
> > web"masters" mis-typed some javascript: "URL" somewhere.
> >
> > If you want anyone to help you debug it, you'd have to disclose the
> > page's URL.
>
> I was thinking he has disabled javascript in the browser or something
> similar.
I checked the about:config, no java related stuff is disabled.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 05 February 2019 04:59:58 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 07:19:26PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > The address wasn’t understood
> >
> > Firefox doesn’t know how to open this address, because one of the
> > following protocols (javascript) isn’t associated with any program
> > or is not allowed in this context.
> >
> > You might need to install other software to open this address.
>
> Too little info to know really say something, but it seems that the
> web"masters" mis-typed some javascript: "URL" somewhere.
>
> If you want anyone to help you debug it, you'd have to disclose the
> page's URL.
>
http://www.wvsto.com/Unclaimed-Property/Search-Claim

In the fwiw category, midori worked, but thats about all it could do, 
very crashy on most sites.

> Cheers
> -- tomás


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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 11:55:32AM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > Too little info to know really say something, but it seems that the
> > web"masters" mis-typed some javascript: "URL" somewhere.
> > 
> > If you want anyone to help you debug it, you'd have to disclose the
> > page's URL.
> 
> I was thinking he has disabled javascript in the browser or something
> similar.

This sounds compelling, but... I'm here the one always disabling
Javascript by default and I haven't seen this strange message.
Ever. So... hmmm.

OTOH Web browsers are known to be non-deterministic, so there you
go ;-)

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[deloptes]

to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> Too little info to know really say something, but it seems that the
> web"masters" mis-typed some javascript: "URL" somewhere.
> 
> If you want anyone to help you debug it, you'd have to disclose the
> page's URL.

I was thinking he has disabled javascript in the browser or something
similar.

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 07:19:26PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> The address wasn’t understood
> 
> Firefox doesn’t know how to open this address, because one of the 
> following protocols (javascript) isn’t associated with any program or is 
> not allowed in this context.
> 
> You might need to install other software to open this address.

Too little info to know really say something, but it seems that the
web"masters" mis-typed some javascript: "URL" somewhere.

If you want anyone to help you debug it, you'd have to disclose the
page's URL.

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[Gene Heskett]

The address wasn’t understood

Firefox doesn’t know how to open this address, because one of the 
following protocols (javascript) isn’t associated with any program or is 
not allowed in this context.

You might need to install other software to open this address.

I am on the states unclaimed property site, entering a name. clicking on 
the Search button gets the above quoted response.

Thanks everybody.  

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Mozilla Firefox exploit

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2015-08-07 17:08:51 -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 22:31:15 +0200
> Vincent Lefevre  wrote:
> > And Firefox cannot play some videos on Debian due to bug 729251.
> 
> Found an easy way to keep up to date with Mozilla (who BTW are very
> good at letting you know a newer version is available):
> 
> Whenever advised by Firefox that a newer version has been released
> (like today, 39.0.3), I download the Linux-64 version from
> https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-39.0.3-SSL&os=linux64&lang=en-GB
> save it and untar as root it in /opt, after renaming the existing
> /opt/firefox/ to /opt/firefox.xx.y.z/ just in case I want/need to
> return to the n-1 version.

But Firefox 39.0.3 doesn't solve the video problem (e.g. on vimeo).

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Re: Mozilla Firefox exploit

[Ron]

On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 22:31:15 +0200
Vincent Lefevre  wrote:

> > Looks like Jessie is not vulnerable.  
> 
> But this is an old version. :(
> 
> And unfortunately the sid version, which is also fixed, is not
> installable due to the libstdc++6 transition, which doesn't seem
> to have much progress:
> 
>   https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/libstdc++6.html
> 
> And Firefox cannot play some videos on Debian due to bug 729251.

Found an easy way to keep up to date with Mozilla (who BTW are very good at 
letting you know a newer version is available):

Whenever advised by Firefox that a newer version has been released (like today, 
39.0.3), I download the Linux-64 version from 
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-39.0.3-SSL&os=linux64&lang=en-GB 
save it and untar as root it in /opt, after renaming the existing /opt/firefox/ 
to /opt/firefox.xx.y.z/ just in case I want/need to return to the n-1 version.

Of course my firefox launchers have been modified to point at 
/opt/firefox/firefox-bin  ;-3)
 
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Re: Mozilla Firefox exploit

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2015-08-07 13:34:48 -0400, Ralph Katz wrote:
> https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/iceweasel
> 
> Looks like Jessie is not vulnerable.

But this is an old version. :(

And unfortunately the sid version, which is also fixed, is not
installable due to the libstdc++6 transition, which doesn't seem
to have much progress:

  https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/libstdc++6.html

And Firefox cannot play some videos on Debian due to bug 729251.

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Re: Mozilla Firefox exploit

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Fri, 2015-08-07 at 13:44 -0300, Francisco M Neto wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> does anyone have news from debian security regarding the exploit 
> on
> Iceweasel/Firefox that's been on the news recently?
> 
> I'm wondering if I should just wait for the update or just skip 
> it and
> update Iceweasel directly.

You could also just set pdfjs.disabled to true in about:config

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On 08/07/2015 12:44 PM, Francisco M Neto wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> does anyone have news from debian security regarding the exploit
> on Iceweasel/Firefox that's been on the news recently?
> 
> I'm wondering if I should just wait for the update or just skip it 
> and update Iceweasel directly.
> 

https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/iceweasel

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Mozilla Firefox exploit

[Francisco M Neto]

Hey everyone,

does anyone have news from debian security regarding the exploit on
Iceweasel/Firefox that's been on the news recently?

I'm wondering if I should just wait for the update or just skip it and
update Iceweasel directly.

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Re: mozilla / iceweasel and mailto: links

[Brian]

On Fri 13 Feb 2015 at 10:18:10 +, Curt wrote:

> On 2015-02-13, Charles Blair  wrote:
> > I tinkered with "Preferences/Applications".  Did not
> > do anything about a special kind of Preference.  If
> > this message gets posted, the thing worked :)
> >
> >If so, thanks!
> >
> 
> I never click on those mailto links myself, but I followed my own advice
> for once and chose alpine as my mail client ('cause it's my main mail client)
> from the drop down menu (where it had defaulted to gmail?), clicked on a
> mailto link and ... it didn't work.  Nothing. 
> 
> This must illustrate an ironic principle of which I am
> currently unaware.  

Adapted from /usr/lib/mutt/mailto-mutt; mailto-alpine:

  #!/bin/bash
  exec x-terminal-emulator -e alpine "$@"
 
> But how would or does "it" know to open a terminal if you don't use
> a "wrapper script" like Brian suggested?  Or am I missing something?
> Why am I seeing so many mutt users in forums and elsewhere using this
> kind of script?  

If they are not using a DE this is the simplest (and maybe only) way of
doing it. A terminal window is drawn and mutt is executed from it.

If a DE is used this excecution of a terminal and mutt is taken care of
invisibly by a .desktop file. Basically, it is the same as using a
script.

But don't expect a .desktop file to do it for you with alpine in Xfce or
GNOME. As far as I can see one isn't provided. So you either devise your
own .desktop file or use a script.


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Re: mozilla / iceweasel and mailto: links

[Darac Marjal]

On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:18:10AM +, Curt wrote:
> On 2015-02-13, Charles Blair  wrote:
> > I tinkered with "Preferences/Applications".  Did not
> > do anything about a special kind of Preference.  If
> > this message gets posted, the thing worked :)
> >
> >If so, thanks!
> >
> 
> I never click on those mailto links myself, but I followed my own advice
> for once and chose alpine as my mail client ('cause it's my main mail client)
> from the drop down menu (where it had defaulted to gmail?), clicked on a
> mailto link and ... it didn't work.  Nothing. 
> 
> This must illustrate an ironic principle of which I am
> currently unaware.  
> 
> But how would or does "it" know to open a terminal if you don't use
> a "wrapper script" like Brian suggested?  Or am I missing something?
> Why am I seeing so many mutt users in forums and elsewhere using this
> kind of script?  
> 
> Oh!! I finally took a look at claws-mail and realized that it is *not* a
> text-based mail client as I had assumed for reasons I am unable to
> explain.
> 
> So the little wrapper script must only be necessary for text-based
> clients that need a terminal to come alive in (I think).

This is how linux works. There is, in essence, no difference between a
terminal program and a graphical one. Both are launched in the same way
(typically, using a system() or exec() call; a shell can be thought of
as just a way to repeatedly invoke that).

Both start executing in the same way. They are given a standard input, a
standard output and a standard error. The difference comes in that the
graphical program then makes a network connection to an X-server (mostly
that will be over a UNIX socket to the local host, but X can work quite
nicely across the network, too). Commands directed to that X-server
cause windows to be drawn etc.

This behaviour can be demonstrated by starting a terminal and running a
program such as `xev`. The program runs in the terminal (note, for
example, that the shell prompt doesn't return until the program exits),
but it opens a window immediately. The terminal remains active and
X-Windows events are printed to the commands standard out.

Now, just to complete the picture, if you run `xev` from a graphical
client (say, a run dialog, or by double-clicking the executable in a
file manager), xev still starts as normal. The window pops up. But you
won't see the X-window messages, because the stdin, stdout and stderr
are not connected to anything that will print them (probably, they're
actually connected to /dev/null).

> 
> Anyhow over and out.
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[Curt]

On 2015-02-13, Charles Blair  wrote:
> I tinkered with "Preferences/Applications".  Did not
> do anything about a special kind of Preference.  If
> this message gets posted, the thing worked :)
>
>If so, thanks!
>

I never click on those mailto links myself, but I followed my own advice
for once and chose alpine as my mail client ('cause it's my main mail client)
from the drop down menu (where it had defaulted to gmail?), clicked on a
mailto link and ... it didn't work.  Nothing. 

This must illustrate an ironic principle of which I am
currently unaware.  

But how would or does "it" know to open a terminal if you don't use
a "wrapper script" like Brian suggested?  Or am I missing something?
Why am I seeing so many mutt users in forums and elsewhere using this
kind of script?  

Oh!! I finally took a look at claws-mail and realized that it is *not* a
text-based mail client as I had assumed for reasons I am unable to
explain.

So the little wrapper script must only be necessary for text-based
clients that need a terminal to come alive in (I think).

Anyhow over and out.

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Re: Re: mozilla / iceweasel and mailto: links

[Brian]

On Thu 12 Feb 2015 at 18:01:48 -0600, Charles Blair wrote:

> I tinkered with "Preferences/Applications".  Did not
> do anything about a special kind of Preference.  If
> this message gets posted, the thing worked :)
> 
>If so, thanks!

We would have guess what form your tinkering took. :)

For anyone looking to do the same as you Curt's suggestion works well.
The reason it apparently didn't work for me is that the machine I tested
on has claws-mail running all the time and the compose a mail window
came up behind the iceweasel window.

A silly observational mistake on my part.


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[Charles Blair]

I tinkered with "Preferences/Applications".  Did not
do anything about a special kind of Preference.  If
this message gets posted, the thing worked :)

   If so, thanks!


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Re: mozilla / iceweasel and mailto: links

[Brian]

On Thu 12 Feb 2015 at 17:42:56 +, Curt wrote:

> On 2015-02-12, Brian  wrote:
> > On Thu 12 Feb 2015 at 08:41:00 -0600, Charles Blair wrote:
> >
> >>I use claws-mail for e-mail.  When I am running iceweasel/mozilla
> >> and click on a mailto: link, no window for claws-mail is opened.
> >
> > A script, mailto-claws:
> >
> >   #!/bin/bash
> >   claws-mail --compose "$1"
> >
> > Use the script for "mailto" in Preferences/Applications.
> >
> 
> You're right, sorry, claws-mail being a terminal application (must the script
> be executable? I guess so).

Your guess is correct.

As for your suggestion in an another mail, it seems very sensible.
However, it does not work for me and I do not know why. Selecting
"Mail Reader" in Preferences/Applications looks like a good bet but
it does nothing. Even specifying /usr/bin/claws-mail has no effect.
Is a script really necessary when the options in Iceweasel seem so
clear-cut?

I use mutt, which provides /usr/lib/mutt/mailto-mutt. I adapted that
for the script I gave.


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Re: mozilla / iceweasel and mailto: links

[Curt]

On 2015-02-12, Brian  wrote:
> On Thu 12 Feb 2015 at 08:41:00 -0600, Charles Blair wrote:
>
>>I use claws-mail for e-mail.  When I am running iceweasel/mozilla
>> and click on a mailto: link, no window for claws-mail is opened.
>
> A script, mailto-claws:
>
>   #!/bin/bash
>   claws-mail --compose "$1"
>
> Use the script for "mailto" in Preferences/Applications.
>

You're right, sorry, claws-mail being a terminal application (must the script
be executable? I guess so).


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Re: mozilla / iceweasel and mailto: links

[Curt]

On 2015-02-12, Charles Blair  wrote:

>I use claws-mail for e-mail.  When I am running iceweasel/mozilla
> and click on a mailto: link, no window for claws-mail is opened.
>
>

In Preferences/Applications search 'mailto' as a Content Type and
there's a dropdown menu with choices for Actions where you can select
the mail client you wish to use.

Works that way here with my version of Iceweasel anywho.

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Re: mozilla / iceweasel and mailto: links

[Andreas Rönnquist]

On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 08:41:00 -0600,
Charles Blair wrote:

>   I use claws-mail for e-mail.  When I am running iceweasel/mozilla
>and click on a mailto: link, no window for claws-mail is opened.
>
>

Which desktop environment? You might have forgotten what is called 
"Preferred Applications" in Xfce, or other desktop environments
equivalents:

http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/exo/preferred-applications

-- Andreas Rönnquist
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Re: mozilla / iceweasel and mailto: links

[Brian]

On Thu 12 Feb 2015 at 08:41:00 -0600, Charles Blair wrote:

>I use claws-mail for e-mail.  When I am running iceweasel/mozilla
> and click on a mailto: link, no window for claws-mail is opened.

A script, mailto-claws:

  #!/bin/bash
  claws-mail --compose "$1"

Use the script for "mailto" in Preferences/Applications.


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mozilla / iceweasel and mailto: links

[Charles Blair]

   I use claws-mail for e-mail.  When I am running iceweasel/mozilla
and click on a mailto: link, no window for claws-mail is opened.


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Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

[Jeff Bauer]

On 05/22/2014 09:14 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

On Tue, 20 May 2014 00:17:06 +1200
Richard Hector  wrote:



And in the case where the copyright has elapsed? The main point,
rather than my additional comment?

Richard


Few of us will be alive when Jerry's works go out of copyright, given
that even if he died this very day, his copyrights would expire in 70
years. So why worry about that? A lot can happen between then and now.

If you don't like that ridiculous copyright period, blame the guys who
think they're perfectly in their rights to do unauthorized copying and
distribution. They make Disney and Bono look downright virtuous, and
dilute the credibility of those of us who want to change copyright
period (and maximum damages) to sane amounts (and time periods).

SteveT




Kinda/sorta related, but well worth the time to watch:

Patent Absurdity: how software patents broke the system 



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Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

[Steve Litt]

On Tue, 20 May 2014 00:17:06 +1200
Richard Hector  wrote:


> And in the case where the copyright has elapsed? The main point,
> rather than my additional comment?
> 
> Richard


Few of us will be alive when Jerry's works go out of copyright, given
that even if he died this very day, his copyrights would expire in 70
years. So why worry about that? A lot can happen between then and now.

If you don't like that ridiculous copyright period, blame the guys who
think they're perfectly in their rights to do unauthorized copying and
distribution. They make Disney and Bono look downright virtuous, and
dilute the credibility of those of us who want to change copyright
period (and maximum damages) to sane amounts (and time periods).

SteveT


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Re: Off-topic posting (was Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management)

[Jerry Stuckle]

On 5/21/2014 1:37 AM, Bob Holtzman wrote:

On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 08:12:36PM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

On 5/20/2014 5:05 PM, David Guntner wrote:


  ..large snip.



I've been using the internet since the 80's, and yes, I'm perfectly
capable of kill-filing those topics. If all I was concerned about was
just me, I'd do it.  But I want the list to remain useful for others as
well.



In that case I've got you by at least 10 years - I've been on since
it was arpanet in the early 70's.


That's it. That explains everything. He's showing early signs of
senility. "No damned whippersnapper is going to tell *him* what to do".
It's akin to "get off my lawn, you kids".

   ..equally large snip...



No, it shows he's not the only one who's been around for a while.  And 
experience is the best teacher; I KNOW how to killfile threads I'm not 
interested in.  Obviously some people here don't - no matter how long 
they've been on the internet.


Senility?  ROFLMAO!  But then trolls always find ways to make ad hominem 
attacks.


Maybe it's just that I've been around enough that I don't give a damn 
what people like him think.


Jerry


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Re: Off-topic posting (was Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management)

[Curt]

On 2014-05-21, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:
>
> Elis Regina & Tom Jobim- Waters of March (Portuguese version)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3oNSFQVzNM&list=RDg3oNSFQVzNM#t=31
>
> Tom Jobim - The Girl from Ipanema (Portuguese version)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJzBxJ8ExRk
>

With Frank:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC8in1DeWdQ


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Re: Off-topic posting (was Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management)

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-05-21 at 12:30 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Consider to continue at
> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic
> just to do those a favour, who guess those threads don't belong to
> Debian user, regardless of whether they're right or wrong.

Respect to Zenaan.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/05/msg01475.html

I noticed that he sent to the OT list, when I did some research
regarding to another topic, by reading the OT's list archive.

There are no winners or losers, there's nobody right or wrong. Savoir
faire makes everybody a winner.

Currently it looks like Zenaan talks to himself, so please follow
Zenaan's example instead of complaining that people write to Debian
user, when they should write to the OT list. You can Cc to the OPs. The
people annoyed by those threads, complain but do the same as the people
do, they complain about.



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Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On Ter, 20 Mai 2014, David Guntner wrote:


PLEASE, for the love of $DEITY and to have some compassion for the
people who are on this list because they want to discuss and read things
pertaining to the Debian OS without drowning in so much off-topic noise
that the list is becoming rendered useless for that purpose


Posting the same request multiple times, even if it is a valid  
request, does not help much those who want to discuss and read things  
pertaining to the Debian OS.


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Re: Off-topic posting (was Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management)

[Ralf Mardorf]

Calm down folks :)!

A lot of us are subscribed to both lists, so there wouldn't be less
traffic for us, OTOH its easy to use the OT list when already
subscribed, since seemingly some are annoyed by the long threads about
"digital politics".

Consider to continue at
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic
just to do those a favour, who guess those threads don't belong to
Debian user, regardless of whether they're right or wrong.

Those who are annoyed might want to listen to some real Brazilian music
to relax a little bit. Don't listen to "Pitbull", his artist's name says
it all. Try this music instead:

Elis Regina & Tom Jobim- Waters of March (Portuguese version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3oNSFQVzNM&list=RDg3oNSFQVzNM#t=31

Tom Jobim - The Girl from Ipanema (Portuguese version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJzBxJ8ExRk

Have fun!
Ralf


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Re: Off-topic posting (was Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management)

[Bob Holtzman]

On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 08:12:36PM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 5/20/2014 5:05 PM, David Guntner wrote:

 ..large snip.
> 
> >I've been using the internet since the 80's, and yes, I'm perfectly
> >capable of kill-filing those topics. If all I was concerned about was
> >just me, I'd do it.  But I want the list to remain useful for others as
> >well.
> >
> 
> In that case I've got you by at least 10 years - I've been on since
> it was arpanet in the early 70's.

That's it. That explains everything. He's showing early signs of
senility. "No damned whippersnapper is going to tell *him* what to do".
It's akin to "get off my lawn, you kids". 

  ..equally large snip...

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Re: Off-topic posting (was Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management)

[Zenaan Harkness]

For future "please use o-t list" hinters, please CC the ot list, even
if you're not subscribed, or perhaps only send to o-t list AND to the
'perpetrator'.

On 5/21/14, Jerry Stuckle  wrote:
> On 5/20/2014 5:05 PM, David Guntner wrote:

>> Ok, that last bit was a bit insulting, and was uncalled for.  I
>> apologize for that.
>
> Yes, I find you quite insulting.

To say that immediately after he apologised to you, is rather
disgraceful of YOU Jerry!


>> However, that does not change the fact that you and the other noisy few
...
> There seem to be a lot of people contributing to this conversation - but
> very few (i.e. ONE) complaining about it.

Wrong Jerry. WE (I include myself and others have already included
themselves) should NOT have needed David's hints in the first place.
We should have only ever posted our flames to the o-t list.


>> THIS list is here for the purpose stated above.  When you guys keep
>
> Maybe it's useless to you.  Tough.

So you want a degenerate list? I guess you don't care. That's rather
care-less of you.


>> I've been using the internet since the 80's, and yes, I'm perfectly
>
> In that case I've got you by at least 10 years - I've been on since it

My unmentionable is bigger than yours!

And Jerry, do you say this is NOT o-t discussion?

PLEASE do not reply to to d-uuser; my last 6 emails were all to d-ot,
I CC this to d-user ONLY to demonstrate solidarity with and support
for David Guntner and others who are asking (VERY politely for the
most part I might add) that this type of discussion be moved to
offtopic list.

That is reasonable.

That is fair.

That is per policy.

That is per list designations.


>  If you're not interested in the discussion, killfile it.

Jerry you're not going to win this argument, even if you do keep
trying to be "the last post in the thread".


>> On a strictly personal level, face it - I'm on this list because of its
>> intended purpose.  I should not *have* to take steps to filter out

> As am I.  And if you don't like a discussion, ignore it.  That's what
> filters are for.  And telling someone to take an active conversation
> somewhere else because YOU DON'T LIKE IT - now THAT is the HEIGHT OF
> ARROGANCE.

See above. You won't win this one. And it shouldn't be about winning
anyway, we should be showing respect for the others on the list. Your
words leave a little to be desired in that department.


> Then please don't waste any more bandwidth.

Jerry, your endless impulse to always respond to everything anyone
says that remotely or not so remotely relates to you, _is_ a waste of
bandwidth. And unfair. And disrespectful in this context etc etc.


> And although you've been told the same by many people,
> you continue your infantile behavior.

Jerry, meet mirror.

My future posts in this regard shall return to being offtopic list only.

Zenaan


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Re: Off-topic posting (was Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management)

[Patrick Wiseman]

Top posting here, as everything below is WAY OT. Sorry, Jerry, as old
a hand as you may be, you're wrong. Take this "conversation"
elsewhere, and stop embarrassing yourself and polluting this otherwise
useful list.

Cheers
Patrick

On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Jerry Stuckle  wrote:
> On 5/20/2014 5:05 PM, David Guntner wrote:
>>
>> David Guntner grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
>>>
>>> Jerry Stuckle grabbed a keyboard and wrote:


 Then don't add to the bandwidth with your please to stop.  As you've
 been told before - just ignore the thread.  And if you can't do that,
 get a email reader that will.
>>>
>>>
>>> No.  Just because you and a small group of noisy people are too fscking
>>> lazy and inconsiderate to take the topic where it belongs and where it
>>> would be WAY more appropriate is not a reason for everyone else on the
>>> list who is here for the purpose of talking ABOUT THINGS DIRECTLY
>>> RELATED TO DEBIAN to have to make modifications to get your unwanted
>>> cruft out of their mail readers.
>>>
>>> The Debian off-topic list exists expressly for the purpose of discussing
>>> things like this.  It's not rocket science, Jerry.  Even you should be
>>> able to figure that out.  I can't help it that you just don't want to
>>> and think that this list is your personal playground where anything goes.
>>
>>
>> Ok, that last bit was a bit insulting, and was uncalled for.  I
>> apologize for that.
>>
>
> Yes, I find you quite insulting.
>
>> However, that does not change the fact that you and the other noisy few
>> who just *have* to drag an off-topic discussion on and on and on and on
>> to the point where it's not even beating a dead horse any more - the
>> horse is GLUE at this point - is incredibly inconsiderate to all the
>> other people on this list who are here for reading and discussion things
>> that pertain directly to the Debian operating system and its software
>> package.  Which is, after all, the stated purpose of this list.  An
>> Debian Off-Topic list was created specifically for the purpose of
>> allowing Debian users a place where they can discuss politics, DRM, the
>> FSF condemning ant-eaters for eating ants, etc. to their heart's
>> content.  People on that list want to discuss, and see discussions, on
>> all those other subjects.
>>
>
> There seem to be a lot of people contributing to this conversation - but
> very few (i.e. ONE) complaining about it.
>
>> THIS list is here for the purpose stated above.  When you guys keep
>> going on and on and on about something which is blatantly, patently
>> off-topic for it, you are, in fact, being extremely rude and
>> inconsiderate of all those others - many of whom may simply be lurking
>> to read and learn.  When you flood the list with so much noise that the
>> actual signal starts to be drowned out, you effectively ruin the
>> usefulness of the list for its intended purpose.
>>
>
> Maybe it's useless to you.  Tough.
>
>> I've been using the internet since the 80's, and yes, I'm perfectly
>> capable of kill-filing those topics. If all I was concerned about was
>> just me, I'd do it.  But I want the list to remain useful for others as
>> well.
>>
>
> In that case I've got you by at least 10 years - I've been on since it was
> arpanet in the early 70's.  And one thing I've found - which you SHOULD have
> been able to figure out by now - not every discussion is going to be of
> interest to every person on the mailing list.  If you're not interested in
> the discussion, killfile it.
>
>> On a strictly personal level, face it - I'm on this list because of its
>> intended purpose.  I should not *have* to take steps to filter out
>> off-topic massive threads that just won't go away - NOBODY should have
>> to.  Some off-topic stuff is always going to happen on any list.  It's
>> just a fact of life that topics will drift a bit every now and then.
>> But when you know damn-well that you're off topic and someone takes the
>> time to nudge you about it, telling them "I'm not going to, just filter
>> it out" is the height of arrogance.  What you're saying is that it's way
>> more important that you use the list any way you want and that people
>> who want the list used for its intended purpose can just bugger off.
>>
>
> As am I.  And if you don't like a discussion, ignore it.  That's what
> filters are for.  And telling someone to take an active conversation
> somewhere else because YOU DON'T LIKE IT - now THAT is the HEIGHT OF
> ARROGANCE.
>
>> I'm not going to continue this particular discussion on list, because I
>> don't want *this* thread to drag out into Yet Another Off-Topic Thread
>> That Just Won't Die.  If you want to discuss further, feel free to reply
>> back to me directly.  If you feel the burning need to reply to this
>> on-list, there's not much I can do to stop you. :-)  But I won't reply
>> to anything you say there on the list.
>>
>>   --Dave
>
>
> Then please don't waste any more bandwidth.  

Re: Off-topic posting (was Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management)

[Jeff Bauer]

On 05/20/2014 08:12 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

On 5/20/2014 5:05 PM, David Guntner wrote:

David Guntner grabbed a keyboard and wrote:

Jerry Stuckle grabbed a keyboard and wrote:


Then don't add to the bandwidth with your please to stop. As you've
been told before - just ignore the thread.  And if you can't do that,
get a email reader that will.


No.  Just because you and a small group of noisy people are too fscking
lazy and inconsiderate to take the topic where it belongs and where it
would be WAY more appropriate is not a reason for everyone else on the
list who is here for the purpose of talking ABOUT THINGS DIRECTLY
RELATED TO DEBIAN to have to make modifications to get your unwanted
cruft out of their mail readers.

The Debian off-topic list exists expressly for the purpose of 
discussing

things like this.  It's not rocket science, Jerry.  Even you should be
able to figure that out.  I can't help it that you just don't want to
and think that this list is your personal playground where anything 
goes.


Ok, that last bit was a bit insulting, and was uncalled for.  I
apologize for that.



Yes, I find you quite insulting.


However, that does not change the fact that you and the other noisy few
who just *have* to drag an off-topic discussion on and on and on and on
to the point where it's not even beating a dead horse any more - the
horse is GLUE at this point - is incredibly inconsiderate to all the
other people on this list who are here for reading and discussion things
that pertain directly to the Debian operating system and its software
package.  Which is, after all, the stated purpose of this list. An
Debian Off-Topic list was created specifically for the purpose of
allowing Debian users a place where they can discuss politics, DRM, the
FSF condemning ant-eaters for eating ants, etc. to their heart's
content.  People on that list want to discuss, and see discussions, on
all those other subjects.



There seem to be a lot of people contributing to this conversation - 
but very few (i.e. ONE) complaining about it.



THIS list is here for the purpose stated above.  When you guys keep
going on and on and on about something which is blatantly, patently
off-topic for it, you are, in fact, being extremely rude and
inconsiderate of all those others - many of whom may simply be lurking
to read and learn.  When you flood the list with so much noise that the
actual signal starts to be drowned out, you effectively ruin the
usefulness of the list for its intended purpose.



Maybe it's useless to you.  Tough.


I've been using the internet since the 80's, and yes, I'm perfectly
capable of kill-filing those topics. If all I was concerned about was
just me, I'd do it.  But I want the list to remain useful for others as
well.



In that case I've got you by at least 10 years - I've been on since it 
was arpanet in the early 70's.  And one thing I've found - which you 
SHOULD have been able to figure out by now - not every discussion is 
going to be of interest to every person on the mailing list.  If 
you're not interested in the discussion, killfile it.



On a strictly personal level, face it - I'm on this list because of its
intended purpose.  I should not *have* to take steps to filter out
off-topic massive threads that just won't go away - NOBODY should have
to.  Some off-topic stuff is always going to happen on any list.  It's
just a fact of life that topics will drift a bit every now and then.
But when you know damn-well that you're off topic and someone takes the
time to nudge you about it, telling them "I'm not going to, just filter
it out" is the height of arrogance.  What you're saying is that it's way
more important that you use the list any way you want and that people
who want the list used for its intended purpose can just bugger off.



As am I.  And if you don't like a discussion, ignore it.  That's what 
filters are for.  And telling someone to take an active conversation 
somewhere else because YOU DON'T LIKE IT - now THAT is the HEIGHT OF 
ARROGANCE.



I'm not going to continue this particular discussion on list, because I
don't want *this* thread to drag out into Yet Another Off-Topic Thread
That Just Won't Die.  If you want to discuss further, feel free to reply
back to me directly.  If you feel the burning need to reply to this
on-list, there's not much I can do to stop you. :-)  But I won't reply
to anything you say there on the list.

  --Dave


Then please don't waste any more bandwidth.  You do this every time a 
discussion YOU decide is off-topic comes up.  And although you've been 
told the same by many people, you continue your infantile behavior.


Jerry




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Re: Off-topic posting (was Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management)

[Jerry Stuckle]

On 5/20/2014 5:05 PM, David Guntner wrote:

David Guntner grabbed a keyboard and wrote:

Jerry Stuckle grabbed a keyboard and wrote:


Then don't add to the bandwidth with your please to stop.  As you've
been told before - just ignore the thread.  And if you can't do that,
get a email reader that will.


No.  Just because you and a small group of noisy people are too fscking
lazy and inconsiderate to take the topic where it belongs and where it
would be WAY more appropriate is not a reason for everyone else on the
list who is here for the purpose of talking ABOUT THINGS DIRECTLY
RELATED TO DEBIAN to have to make modifications to get your unwanted
cruft out of their mail readers.

The Debian off-topic list exists expressly for the purpose of discussing
things like this.  It's not rocket science, Jerry.  Even you should be
able to figure that out.  I can't help it that you just don't want to
and think that this list is your personal playground where anything goes.


Ok, that last bit was a bit insulting, and was uncalled for.  I
apologize for that.



Yes, I find you quite insulting.


However, that does not change the fact that you and the other noisy few
who just *have* to drag an off-topic discussion on and on and on and on
to the point where it's not even beating a dead horse any more - the
horse is GLUE at this point - is incredibly inconsiderate to all the
other people on this list who are here for reading and discussion things
that pertain directly to the Debian operating system and its software
package.  Which is, after all, the stated purpose of this list.  An
Debian Off-Topic list was created specifically for the purpose of
allowing Debian users a place where they can discuss politics, DRM, the
FSF condemning ant-eaters for eating ants, etc. to their heart's
content.  People on that list want to discuss, and see discussions, on
all those other subjects.



There seem to be a lot of people contributing to this conversation - but 
very few (i.e. ONE) complaining about it.



THIS list is here for the purpose stated above.  When you guys keep
going on and on and on about something which is blatantly, patently
off-topic for it, you are, in fact, being extremely rude and
inconsiderate of all those others - many of whom may simply be lurking
to read and learn.  When you flood the list with so much noise that the
actual signal starts to be drowned out, you effectively ruin the
usefulness of the list for its intended purpose.



Maybe it's useless to you.  Tough.


I've been using the internet since the 80's, and yes, I'm perfectly
capable of kill-filing those topics. If all I was concerned about was
just me, I'd do it.  But I want the list to remain useful for others as
well.



In that case I've got you by at least 10 years - I've been on since it 
was arpanet in the early 70's.  And one thing I've found - which you 
SHOULD have been able to figure out by now - not every discussion is 
going to be of interest to every person on the mailing list.  If you're 
not interested in the discussion, killfile it.



On a strictly personal level, face it - I'm on this list because of its
intended purpose.  I should not *have* to take steps to filter out
off-topic massive threads that just won't go away - NOBODY should have
to.  Some off-topic stuff is always going to happen on any list.  It's
just a fact of life that topics will drift a bit every now and then.
But when you know damn-well that you're off topic and someone takes the
time to nudge you about it, telling them "I'm not going to, just filter
it out" is the height of arrogance.  What you're saying is that it's way
more important that you use the list any way you want and that people
who want the list used for its intended purpose can just bugger off.



As am I.  And if you don't like a discussion, ignore it.  That's what 
filters are for.  And telling someone to take an active conversation 
somewhere else because YOU DON'T LIKE IT - now THAT is the HEIGHT OF 
ARROGANCE.



I'm not going to continue this particular discussion on list, because I
don't want *this* thread to drag out into Yet Another Off-Topic Thread
That Just Won't Die.  If you want to discuss further, feel free to reply
back to me directly.  If you feel the burning need to reply to this
on-list, there's not much I can do to stop you. :-)  But I won't reply
to anything you say there on the list.

  --Dave


Then please don't waste any more bandwidth.  You do this every time a 
discussion YOU decide is off-topic comes up.  And although you've been 
told the same by many people, you continue your infantile behavior.


Jerry


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Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

[Chris Angelico]

On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Chris Bannister
 wrote:
> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 03:15:44PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>
>> DRM sucks!
>
> +10E
>

Okay, now I have to chime in. Not only is this off topic (which I
can't complain about, having been guilty of the same), but that's
content-free as well. Do we really need to hear how much, in floating
point, you hate DRM? Can't we just assume that part and move on?

Thanks.

Chris Angelico


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Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

[Chris Bannister]

On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 03:15:44PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> 
> DRM sucks!

+10E

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