Re: Need advice on known work with linux graphics card.
On 26/06/2022 10:15, Stefan Monnier wrote: I agree, no need to grab absolutely newest-pre-order product. Just buy 2021 or early 2022 released GPU for example, and you will be fine. FWIW, I've had zero problems with the AMD driver on my 2006-vintage Thinkpad T60, so I don't think it's important for the graphics card to be super-recent: the support for old cards is pretty good as well. The environment will thank you if you can reuse an old card instead of buying something new. Re-read opening post. Author said: "My graphics usage will be some sort of semi-extensive image editing and Animation." That's why suggested buying new, or nearly new, very well supported product, on which author can edit animations, maybe even with GPU acceleration via OpenCL if he is lucky. So it's not matter of driver support (which remains available to some degree on your 16 years old laptop) but performance. -- With kindest regards, Piotr. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄
Re: Need advice on known work with linux graphics card.
On 24/06/2022 21:47, The Wanderer wrote: I wouldn't go *quite* that far; my understanding is that, especially if AMD has recently released a new Radeon model series, the *very* newest may not have its drivers available yet - or they may at least not be in the repositories. I agree, no need to grab absolutely newest-pre-order product. Just buy 2021 or early 2022 released GPU for example, and you will be fine. For myself, I generally stick with the "best bang for the buck" Radeon GPU from whichever generation is the next-to-latest at the time of purchase. In my case, I'm currently running a Radeon RX 5700 XT, which fit that criterion when I went to build this machine, and once I worked out what group membership I needed to have in order to access the correct device nodes I've had no trouble with it. Had that one too (5700XT). Both mine and your models are very solid and everything just works. I am sure thread author will be happy in Radeon camp. -- With kindest regards, Piotr. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄
Re: Need advice on known work with linux graphics card.
On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 03:49:11PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > What really changed recently is the move from Nvidia to open-source > > their drivers, making it an alternative to those who don't want to use > > proprietary drivers: > > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article=nvidia-open-kernel=1 > > It's a great news, indeed, but it's a small step. It's still not > integrated into mainline kernels, only includes the kernel part of their > driver stack, and is still tied to specific kernel releases, so to the > end user it won't make much of a practical difference (yet). It will > still be the same mess of matching kernel versions and driver versions. > > I think the most visible impact for Debian is that the kernel part of > the driver will be in `main` rather than in `non-free`. The other possible upside is that the Nouveau people are a bit less blind now. So we'll possibly get better Nouveau. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Need advice on known work with linux graphics card.
On 2022-06-24 at 16:13, piorunz wrote: > On 23/06/2022 20:40, hput wrote: > >> I'm an ubuntu user but spent several yrs as a straight Debian >> user. >> >> I know there is a level of sophisticated knowledge here and hope >> to find people who know which cards play well with linux >> (especially Debian derivatives like ubuntu.) >> >> I don't want to have to scrape around for drivers or find that the >> card is just not compatible. >> >> So anyone who has something to say, especially from experience on >> this please consider responding. > > For years I've been using Radeon cards in Debian. That's what I can > recommend to you. Drivers are in the repository so you don't need to > do anything. With Ubuntu you will probably get even better support > than I have in Debian. I concur: Radeon is where it's at for good performance on non-proprietary drivers nowadays. > So get yourself a Radeon card for your budget, newer the better, I wouldn't go *quite* that far; my understanding is that, especially if AMD has recently released a new Radeon model series, the *very* newest may not have its drivers available yet - or they may at least not be in the repositories. I haven't gone digging to validate this before posting, but I suspect the rule to go with is: look at the release date of the model series you're considering, find out what the version number of the next Linux kernel release made after that date is, and make sure that you have that kernel or a newer one available to run on your machine. (You'll also need to consider Mesa support in some cases, but that's more complicated to track, and I haven't found doing so to be worthwhile for general assessment vs. just tracking the kernel.) For myself, I generally stick with the "best bang for the buck" Radeon GPU from whichever generation is the next-to-latest at the time of purchase. In my case, I'm currently running a Radeon RX 5700 XT, which fit that criterion when I went to build this machine, and once I worked out what group membership I needed to have in order to access the correct device nodes I've had no trouble with it. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Need advice on known work with linux graphics card.
On 23/06/2022 20:40, hput wrote: I'm an ubuntu user but spent several yrs as a straight Debian user. I know there is a level of sophisticated knowledge here and hope to find people who know which cards play well with linux (especially Debian derivatives like ubuntu.) I don't want to have to scrape around for drivers or find that the card is just not compatible. So anyone who has something to say, especially from experience on this please consider responding. For years I've been using Radeon cards in Debian. That's what I can recommend to you. Drivers are in the repository so you don't need to do anything. With Ubuntu you will probably get even better support than I have in Debian. So get yourself a Radeon card for your budget, newer the better, take into consideration power connectors available. Do not buy very old Radeon cards as you may not have all HW acceleration available if your card does not qualify for newest radeon GPU driver. I currently have Radeon RX 6800XT which uses 2x8pin power connectors, its a 300W monster and it works perfectly in everything, especially gaming in 4K @ 144Hz. -- With kindest regards, Piotr. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄
Re: Need advice on known work with linux graphics card.
On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 19:40:22 + hput wrote: > I've done one of those "build it yourself" online setups and built up > an HP Z840. The host has no built in graphics capability. So > requires a card right off the real. My graphics usage will be some > sort of semi-extensive image editing and Animation. > > Its been many years since I had to research a graphics card. Things > have changed to the point where I'm really lost. > > I'm an ubuntu user but spent several yrs as a straight Debian user. > > I know there is a level of sophisticated knowledge here and hope to > find people who know which cards play well with linux (especially > Debian derivatives like ubuntu.) > > I don't want to have to scrape around for drivers or find that the > card is just not compatible. > > So anyone who has something to say, especially from experience on this > please consider responding. I'm no graphics card expert, but FWIW, a year and a half ago I found myself in a similar situation: I bought an HP Z440 on eBay, which included the motherboard, processor, and memory, but needed a graphics card. I wound up purchasing an AMD RX-570 (also on eBay), and it works almost perfectl with linux (although it does require non-free firmware). (The one problem I initially experienced was a failure by the monitor to go to sleep properly: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/662 This is an open, three year old bug, but I personally haven't experienced the problem in a while.) A few caveats: 1) I don't know about your Z840, but many HP workstations have Trusted Boot settings which will prevent them from booting if there's non-trusted (i.e., non-whitelisted) hardware, such as a graphics card, present. I got bitten by this when, while playing with the firmware settings, enabled Trusted Boot - and then found that the system absolutely refused to boot. I eventually solved the problem by purchasing (once again on eBay) just about the cheapest whitelisted card the machine supported (an Nvidia NVS 315), swapped it with the RX-570 just to get the machine to boot, turned off Trusted Boot, then swapped the cards back :| (BTW, it turns out that my cheap 315 only has the rather unusual (at least today) DMS-59 output port, so it was back to eBay again for a DMS-59 to HDMI adaptor.) 2) My RX-570 needed an 8 pin power connector, which the Z440 does not have, so I had to resort once again to eBay, for a 6 to 8 pin Molex adaptor. 3) You obviously have to make sure that whatever card you buy will physically fit in the case, but that's true for any build. -- Celejar
Re: Need advice on known work with linux graphics card.
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Re: Need advice on known work with linux graphics card.
Le jeudi 23 juin 2022 à 19:40 +, hput a écrit : > I've done one of those "build it yourself" online setups and built up > an HP Z840. The host has no built in graphics capability. So > requires a card right off the real. My graphics usage will be some > sort of semi-extensive image editing and Animation. > > Its been many years since I had to research a graphics card. Things > have changed to the point where I'm really lost. > > I'm an ubuntu user but spent several yrs as a straight Debian user. > > I know there is a level of sophisticated knowledge here and hope to > find people who know which cards play well with linux (especially > Debian derivatives like ubuntu.) > > I don't want to have to scrape around for drivers or find that the > card is just not compatible. > > So anyone who has something to say, especially from experience on > this > please consider responding. Hello, I cannot answer to your question, just point to some elements. What really changed recently is the move from Nvidia to open-source their drivers, making it an alternative to those who don't want to use proprietary drivers: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article=nvidia-open-kernel=1 Phoronix has some informations on graphic cards capabilities: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=category=Graphics+Cards And there is the Linux database: you can search infos for graphic cards relative to kernels, distros and drivers used and its functionnel or no functionnal state: https://linux-hardware.org/?view=search=graphics+card#list
Need advice on known work with linux graphics card.
I've done one of those "build it yourself" online setups and built up an HP Z840. The host has no built in graphics capability. So requires a card right off the real. My graphics usage will be some sort of semi-extensive image editing and Animation. Its been many years since I had to research a graphics card. Things have changed to the point where I'm really lost. I'm an ubuntu user but spent several yrs as a straight Debian user. I know there is a level of sophisticated knowledge here and hope to find people who know which cards play well with linux (especially Debian derivatives like ubuntu.) I don't want to have to scrape around for drivers or find that the card is just not compatible. So anyone who has something to say, especially from experience on this please consider responding.
