Re: netscape 4.75 as root

[Arlen Carlson]

Try editing /etc/netscape4/config

The line your looking for to enable root access is in there.

On 01-Dec-2000 Joerg Johannes wrote:
> Marcelo Chiapparini schrieb:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I don't know why, but I cannot run netscape 4.75 as root. For example,
>> when in the popup Window maker
>> desktop menu I choose apps->net->netscape nothing happens. As normal user
>> I can run netscape without
>> any problem. But not  as root!
>> Any suggestion will be very appreciated.
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>> Marcelo
>> _
>> Marcelo Chiapparini
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> 
> 
> If you type "netscape" in a console window as root, you will get the
> explanation: Netscape is not allowed to be run as root for security
> reasons.
> If you absolutely want to run netscape as root, you can edit the startup
> script for netscape. I don't know where it lies, but you can follow the
> symlinks from /usr/X11R6/bin/netscape until you find the script. In this
> script, change the line allow_root from "no" to "yes". 
> Hope this helps, sorry I'm not using my Debian box to read and write to
> this list, but a SUN-workstation at univerity, so I cannot look for the
> file names right now :-(
> 
> joerg
> 
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RE: Re: netscape 4.75 as root

[Anderson, Tim TL33E]

I'm not aware of any good reason to be running X as root. Ever.
When you want to do system things, the su command will prompt you for the
root password - you now have root access in that terminal.  Do your stuff
and then get out of there.


On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> I don't know why, but I cannot run netscape 4.75 as root. For example,
> when in the popup Window maker
> desktop menu I choose apps->net->netscape nothing happens. As normal user
> I can run netscape without 
> any problem. But not  as root!
> Any suggestion will be very appreciated.
> Thanks!
> 
>  

Re: netscape 4.75 as root

[Marcelo Chiapparini]

Thanks a lot to David, Joerg and  Scott for illuminating me regarding to
this. I don't need to run 
netscape from root at all. I only asked because I was thinking it was a
problem with my netscape installation
Thanks again!
cheers

Marcelo
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Re: netscape 4.75 as root

[Sebastiaan]

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, raider wrote:
> As David and Joerg told you that running as root appears to be a security risk
> you could 1)Start a term window, 2) su a diff user, 3)cd to users dir, 4)start
> netscape with "netscape".  This would start netscape as the user you sued to 
> and
> give you the mail and bookmarks for that user.  This is the long way about it.
> It would be better just to login as the user and su to root when you need to 
> do
> root tasks.
> Hope this helps

But if you really need to run netscape as root, I succeeded with (well, I
have communicator):
/usr/lib/netscape/475/communicator/communicator-smotif.real

so, look if there is also a .real executable in your netscape directory
(the one without gave a security error - as it should be).

Greetz,
Sebastiaan

Re: netscape 4.75 as root

[raider]

Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I don't know why, but I cannot run netscape 4.75 as root.

> Marcelo

As David and Joerg told you that running as root appears to be a security risk
you could 1)Start a term window, 2) su a diff user, 3)cd to users dir, 4)start
netscape with "netscape".  This would start netscape as the user you sued to and
give you the mail and bookmarks for that user.  This is the long way about it.
It would be better just to login as the user and su to root when you need to do
root tasks.
Hope this helps

Scott

Re: netscape 4.75 as root

[Joerg Johannes]

Marcelo Chiapparini schrieb:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I don't know why, but I cannot run netscape 4.75 as root. For example,
> when in the popup Window maker
> desktop menu I choose apps->net->netscape nothing happens. As normal user
> I can run netscape without
> any problem. But not  as root!
> Any suggestion will be very appreciated.
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> Marcelo
> _
> Marcelo Chiapparini
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 

If you type "netscape" in a console window as root, you will get the
explanation: Netscape is not allowed to be run as root for security
reasons.
If you absolutely want to run netscape as root, you can edit the startup
script for netscape. I don't know where it lies, but you can follow the
symlinks from /usr/X11R6/bin/netscape until you find the script. In this
script, change the line allow_root from "no" to "yes". 
Hope this helps, sorry I'm not using my Debian box to read and write to
this list, but a SUN-workstation at univerity, so I cannot look for the
file names right now :-(

joerg

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Re: netscape 4.75 as root

[David Purton]

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> I don't know why, but I cannot run netscape 4.75 as root. For example,
> when in the popup Window maker
> desktop menu I choose apps->net->netscape nothing happens. As normal user
> I can run netscape without 
> any problem. But not  as root!
> Any suggestion will be very appreciated.
> Thanks!
> 
>  

this is diasabled by default - try running it from a command line and you
get a message to this affect

it's apparently a security risk



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netscape 4.75 as root

[Marcelo Chiapparini]

Hi!

I don't know why, but I cannot run netscape 4.75 as root. For example,
when in the popup Window maker
desktop menu I choose apps->net->netscape nothing happens. As normal user
I can run netscape without 
any problem. But not  as root!
Any suggestion will be very appreciated.
Thanks!

 
Marcelo
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After uprading to the latest KDE *.debs netscape 4.75 won't bold new messages any more

[Michael Meding]

Hi there,

I have installed latest KDE debs and after that netscape won't bold out
my unread messages any more. All messages do look like they are already
read now.

So where is the bug now, in KDE or in netscape ?

Anybody got a similar problem ?

TIA

Michael Meding


System is debian 2.2 with XFree4.01e and latest and greatest (?) kde2.

Re: Netscape 4.75 with 128 bit encryption....with respect to apt-get upgrade versus apt-get install netscape

[Walter Tautz]

On Sun, 15 Oct 2000, Andreas Goesele wrote:

> Christopher W. Aiken writes:
> 
>  > Add:
>  > deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free
>  > to your /etc/apt/sources.list and do an apt-get install netscape
>  > That should get you the 128bit 4.75 version.
> 
I have just done the same and my version 4.73 has been upgraded via
the apt-get install netscape directive. Why didn't this happen when
one does apt-get upgrade? Is it because the version numbers are different?
I have had the sucurity site listed first in the source.list file.

-walter

Re: Netscape 4.75 with 128 bit encryption?

[Andreas Goesele]

Christopher W. Aiken writes:

 > Add:
 > deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free
 > to your /etc/apt/sources.list and do an apt-get install netscape
 > That should get you the 128bit 4.75 version.

And so it does.

Thanks to all who helped!

Andreas Goesele

Re: Netscape 4.75 with 128 bit encryption?

[Christopher W. Aiken]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 01:09:12PM -0500, Brad wrote:
-|On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 06:12:43PM +0200, Andreas Goesele wrote:
-|> Hi,
-|> 
-|> so far I use an "alien" rpm package of netscape with 128 bit
-|> encryption. I would like to switch to a secure (that is version 4.75)
-|> deb package.
-|> 
-|> Are the netscape version under www.debian.org/security/2000/2901
-|> 128 bit? If not, is there a place to find 128 bit debian packages?
-|

Just fire up Netscape 4.75 and pick on "Help --> About Communicator".
If the security section lists a couple of DES-  then you have 128bit.

Add:
deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free
to your /etc/apt/sources.list and do an apt-get install netscape
That should get you the 128bit 4.75 version.

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Re: Netscape 4.75 with 128 bit encryption?

[Michael P. Soulier]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 01:09:12PM -0500, Brad wrote:
> 
> Couldn't tell you about the ones in the location you specify, but the
> woody versions appear to be.
> 
> To find out, install the packages in question and go to
> https://www.fortify.net/cgi-bin/ssl_2

I just connected to that site with my 4.75 netscape from the security ftp
site, and it's 128 bit. 

Mike

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Re: Netscape 4.75 with 128 bit encryption?

[Brad]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 06:12:43PM +0200, Andreas Goesele wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> so far I use an "alien" rpm package of netscape with 128 bit
> encryption. I would like to switch to a secure (that is version 4.75)
> deb package.
> 
> Are the netscape version under www.debian.org/security/2000/2901
> 128 bit? If not, is there a place to find 128 bit debian packages?

Couldn't tell you about the ones in the location you specify, but the
woody versions appear to be.

To find out, install the packages in question and go to
https://www.fortify.net/cgi-bin/ssl_2



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Netscape 4.75 with 128 bit encryption?

[Andreas Goesele]

Hi,

so far I use an "alien" rpm package of netscape with 128 bit
encryption. I would like to switch to a secure (that is version 4.75)
deb package.

Are the netscape version under www.debian.org/security/2000/2901
128 bit? If not, is there a place to find 128 bit debian packages?

By the way: I have the impression that debian still adheres to a
strict devision between us and non-us encryption packages which - for
all what I know - given the new US legislation is obsolete. Any
comments?

Thanks in advance

Andreas Goesele

Re: How can I have Netscape 4.75 without upgrading 157 packages to unstable?

[Brent Buchholz]

On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 09:47:05AM -0500, Tricky Rick wrote:
> 
> I just installed Potato and read in the mailing list archive
> How to upgrade Netscape to 4.75 but in order to do that I include
> unstable in my apt source list.  I installed Communicator 4.75 and
> 
Just put "deb ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security stable/updates main
contrib non-free" in sources.list.  4.75 *is* a security update. 8)

Brent

Re: How can I have Netscape 4.75 without upgrading 157 packages to unstable?

[Peter S Galbraith]

Tricky Rick wrote:

> I just installed Potato and read in the mailing list archive
> How to upgrade Netscape to 4.75 but in order to do that I include
> unstable in my apt source list.  I installed Communicator 4.75 and
> everything it required but now dselect wants to update about 157
> packages, and I would prefer to keep everything (except what is required
> for Netscape 4.75) stable what should I do?

What I do is edit /etc/apt/sources.list to point to unstable,
then

# apt-get update
# apt-get install navigator

I make sure it doesn't want to pull in a new libc6 for the
package I want from unstable (it doesn't for netscape) before I
approve and let it continue.  After the install, I edit
/etc/apt/sources.list again to point it back to potato and run
`apt-get update' again.

Peter

Re: How can I have Netscape 4.75 without upgrading 157 packages to unstable?

[Gary Hennigan]

Tricky Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I just installed Potato and read in the mailing list archive
> How to upgrade Netscape to 4.75 but in order to do that I include
> unstable in my apt source list.  I installed Communicator 4.75 and
> everything it required but now dselect wants to update about 157
> packages, and I would prefer to keep everything (except what is required
> for Netscape 4.75) stable what should I do?

Personally, I'd go to www.netscape.com and get what I wanted and
install it in /usr/local. Then when I was ready to upgrade to woody
I'd remove the /usr/local version.

Just a thought.
Gary

How can I have Netscape 4.75 without upgrading 157 packages to unstable?

[Tricky Rick]

I just installed Potato and read in the mailing list archive
How to upgrade Netscape to 4.75 but in order to do that I include
unstable in my apt source list.  I installed Communicator 4.75 and
everything it required but now dselect wants to update about 157
packages, and I would prefer to keep everything (except what is required
for Netscape 4.75) stable what should I do?

Rick

Re: Netscape 4.75 in Woody buttons in b/w

[Christoph Simon]

>   But, I have had one problem.  I am using Netscape 4.75, and am
>   running X in 24-bit color mode.  For some reason, all of the buttons
>   (home, forward, back, etc) are displayed in black and white or
>   greyscale.  If I run X in 16 color mode, they are displayed
>   correctly.  I think everything else looks better in 24-bit or 32-bit
>   color, so it annoys me that Netscape is doing this.  Is there
>   anything I can do to fix this?  Thanks!

Sorry, AFAIK not. They consider 24bits non-standard, and it just
doesn't work. Try using 32bits.

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Netscape 4.75 in Woody buttons in b/w

[Travis B. Hartwell]

  This weekend I installed Woody on a machine.  First of all, I'd have
  to say that this further confirms to me how great Debian is!  It is
  the most stable 'unstable' distribution I've ever used.  Good work!
  But, I have had one problem.  I am using Netscape 4.75, and am
  running X in 24-bit color mode.  For some reason, all of the buttons
  (home, forward, back, etc) are displayed in black and white or
  greyscale.  If I run X in 16 color mode, they are displayed
  correctly.  I think everything else looks better in 24-bit or 32-bit
  color, so it annoys me that Netscape is doing this.  Is there
  anything I can do to fix this?  Thanks!

  Travis B. Hartwell

Re: Netscape 4.75 ??

[Damon Muller]

Quoth Paul Seelig, 
> Not even this, actually.  As you should have seen yourself, IE is at
> best available on Solaris and HP-UX but this definitely still rules
> out Linux.  I work a lot with HP-UX at it's very own company's place
> and neither i nor actually any of my colleages has used or even seen
> IE on HP-UX.
> 
> As i'm told it is pretty unsusable on either Solaris and HP-UX because
> it depends so much on the Win32 API that at least half of windows had
> to be ported to *NIX to make it crawl^H^H^Hrun on it.

Our local Sun systems administrator has tried it out on Solaris, and
apparently it's pretty horrible. MS didn't do it, from memory, they
outsourced it, but I can't thinking of anything that MS has done for
*nix that isn't a nightmare (FrontPage Server Extensions spring to
mind).

FWIW, I've been using one of the M18 nightlies of Mozilla. It's still a
little slow to start up, and it will eventually eat all your RAM, but
it's very usable. Certainly miles ahead of M17 of Netscape PR2.

cheers,

damon

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Re: Netscape 4.75 ??

[Paul Seelig]

On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 12:27:50PM -0400, Mike Leone wrote:
> >I have no idea, since i don't have KDE installed and happen to get
> >along just fine with navigator-standalone.  But how about installing
> >it yourself and trying it out?  It's free software and just an apt-get
> >command (or two) away:
> 
> Is Konqueror KDE2?
> 
Yes.

> >Duh, some 50.5MB worth of dependencies just for a web browser is a bit
> >hefty, isn't it?
> 
> You're not getting JUST a browser; you're getting all of KDE.
> 
Yes, that's the problem.  

I wouldn't mind that if i'd been running KDE2 anyway, but i don't.
The same is naturally valid for GNOME applications.  If one wants to
run a GNOME app like "gnumeric", there is always this hefty space
penalty involved.  And since i'm happy running a simple window manager
only this is hard to swallow actually.  I just don't buy an integrated
desktop's benefits when it mainly snatches away large portions of my
valuable RAM that i'd rather see used for the apps i'm running.  On
the other hand though, both KDE2 and GNOME have started to offer
really nice stuff lately. :-)
Cheers, P. *8^)

RE: Netscape 4.75 ??

[Jérôme Lacoste]

> Netscape sucks. There are no good browsers right now. Wait 
> for Mozilla to mature and maybe we'll have one. In the meantime, this is 
> something we have to put up with. 

What about Opera?


Jerome

Re: Netscape 4.75 ??

[Mike Leone]

>I have no idea, since i don't have KDE installed and happen to get
>along just fine with navigator-standalone.  But how about installing
>it yourself and trying it out?  It's free software and just an apt-get
>command (or two) away:

Is Konqueror KDE2?

>Duh, some 50.5MB worth of dependencies just for a web browser is a bit
>hefty, isn't it?

You're not getting JUST a browser; you're getting all of KDE.


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Re: Netscape 4.75 ??

[Paul Seelig]

On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 06:54:57PM +0300, Shaul Karl wrote:

> Seriously, I heard that KDE has Konquerer, I hope I spell it correctly. How 
> is 
> it as the main browser?
> 
I have no idea, since i don't have KDE installed and happen to get
along just fine with navigator-standalone.  But how about installing
it yourself and trying it out?  It's free software and just an apt-get
command (or two) away:

--- snip --
[root]~ > apt-cache search konqueror
kdebase - KDE core applications
[root]~ > apt-get install kdebase
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  kdelibs3-nossl libqt2.2 libssl095a 
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  kdebase kdelibs3-nossl libqt2.2 libssl095a 
0 packages upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 181 not upgraded.
Need to get 15.5MB of archives. After unpacking 50.5MB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 
--- snip --

No, thanks... :-/

Duh, some 50.5MB worth of dependencies just for a web browser is a bit
hefty, isn't it?
  Cheers, P. *8^)

Re: Netscape 4.75 ??

[Shaul Karl]

> On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 09:34:27AM -0400, Mike Leone wrote:
> > >Netscape sucks. There are no good browsers right now. Wait for Mozilla 
> > > to
> > >mature and maybe we'll have one. In the meantime, this is something we 
> > >have to
> > >put up with. 
> > 
> > I'm told - altho have not tried it myself - that you can compile and
> > run IE for Unix on a Linux box.
> >
> Sure, just check out it's source code from "cvs.microsoft.com", run
> "./configure --without-win32 --target=GNU_Linux-Intel", and then "make
> install", right?
>   SCNR, P. *8^)


Seriously, I heard that KDE has Konquerer, I hope I spell it correctly. How is 
it as the main browser?


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Re: Netscape 4.75 ??

[Paul Seelig]

On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 10:03:32AM -0400, Mike Leone wrote:
> >> I'm told - altho have not tried it myself - that you can compile and
> >> run IE for Unix on a Linux box.
> >>
> >Sure, just check out it's source code from "cvs.microsoft.com", run
> >"./configure --without-win32 --target=GNU_Linux-Intel", and then "make
> >install", right?
> 
> I get it; that's supposed to be humor, right?
> 
Yes, kind of... ;-)

> I shouldn't have said compile and run; just run.
> 
Not even this, actually.  As you should have seen yourself, IE is at
best available on Solaris and HP-UX but this definitely still rules
out Linux.  I work a lot with HP-UX at it's very own company's place
and neither i nor actually any of my colleages has used or even seen
IE on HP-UX.

As i'm told it is pretty unsusable on either Solaris and HP-UX because
it depends so much on the Win32 API that at least half of windows had
to be ported to *NIX to make it crawl^H^H^Hrun on it.

> "Internet Explorer 5 and Outlook Express are now available on both
> Solaris and HP-UX! This release of Microsoft's award-winning Web
> browsing technology makes using the Web simpler than ever, more
> automated, and more flexible to let you use the Web the way you
> want. "
> http://www.microsoft.com/unix/ie/default.asp
>
Isn't this funny? ;-)
 Cheers, P. *8^)

Re: Netscape 4.75 ??

[Mike Leone]

>> I'm told - altho have not tried it myself - that you can compile and
>> run IE for Unix on a Linux box.
>>
>Sure, just check out it's source code from "cvs.microsoft.com", run
>"./configure --without-win32 --target=GNU_Linux-Intel", and then "make
>install", right?

I get it; that's supposed to be humor, right?

I shouldn't have said compile and run; just run.

"Internet Explorer 5 and Outlook Express are now available on both Solaris and 
HP-UX! This release of Microsoft's award-winning Web browsing technology makes 
using the Web simpler than ever, more automated, and more flexible to let you 
use the Web the way you want. "

http://www.microsoft.com/unix/ie/default.asp


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Re: Netscape 4.75 ??

[Paul Seelig]

On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 09:34:27AM -0400, Mike Leone wrote:
> >Netscape sucks. There are no good browsers right now. Wait for Mozilla to
> >mature and maybe we'll have one. In the meantime, this is something we have 
> >to
> >put up with. 
> 
> I'm told - altho have not tried it myself - that you can compile and
> run IE for Unix on a Linux box.
>
Sure, just check out it's source code from "cvs.microsoft.com", run
"./configure --without-win32 --target=GNU_Linux-Intel", and then "make
install", right?
  SCNR, P. *8^)
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Re: Netscape 4.75 ??

[Mike Leone]

>Netscape sucks. There are no good browsers right now. Wait for Mozilla to
>mature and maybe we'll have one. In the meantime, this is something we have to
>put up with. 

I'm told - altho have not tried it myself - that you can compile and run IE for 
Unix on a Linux box.

Personally - except for the security holes :-) - I prefer IE over Netscape.


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Re: Netscape 4.75 ??

[Michael P. Soulier]

On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 04:09:59PM -0400, Christopher W. Aiken wrote:

> Anyhow (there's always an anyhow) when I close Netscape it
> leaves process running so that I can not fire up another
> Netscape later on.  A ps -ax shows:

Netscape sucks. There are no good browsers right now. Wait for Mozilla to
mature and maybe we'll have one. In the meantime, this is something we have to
put up with. 

Mike

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Netscape 4.75 ??

[Christopher W. Aiken]

I just upgraded my Netscape to 4.75 via the "apt-get install".
Took forever to download all the files on my 56K dialup.

What a great tool "apt-get" is !!!   Wow...

Anyhow (there's always an anyhow) when I close Netscape it
leaves process running so that I can not fire up another
Netscape later on.  A ps -ax shows:

622 ?   S   0:03 /usr/lib/netscape/475/communicator/communicator-smotif.real 
http://
664 ?   S   0:00 (dns helper)

This doesn't happen very often but it is a pain in the backside
to have to "ps -ax and kill -9 " every time I want to run Netscape.

Any clues?  BTW  this also happend on the 4.73 version

Running: Debian 2.2 

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Re: Netscape 4.75 problems

[John Pearson]

On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 06:20:04PM +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote
> On 05 Sep 2000, Dale L . Morris wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> > 
> > I am currently running 4.73 Netscape from potato and it works
> > fine. But when I do the apt-get upgrade it ignores the netscape
> > packages for 4.75. Anyone know why?
> > 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> 
> How do you get to 4.73? I got 4.06 when I upgraded slink to potato.
> I have upgraded subsequently via proposed updates but this has not
> yielded 4.73.
> 

Like the kernel, Netscape packages are version-specific; that is
to say that different versions are treated as separate packages,
not as different versions of the same package.

To install the latest statically-linked version of Netscape
Communicator, use something like

# apt-get install communicator-smotif-475

If you want to track the latest release, try

# apt-get install communicator

Communicator is a meta-package that depends on the latest
statically-linked release; that way if Communicator 4.76 makes
it out the door and gets packaged, you should get it along
with everything else when you go

# apt-get update; apt-get upgrade


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Re: Netscape 4.75 problems

[Nate Amsden]

Anthony Campbell wrote:

> Thanks for reply. Now the question is, which netscape package(s) should
> I ask for? When I upgraded via proposed-updates I got some version of
> netscape-base4.75 (can't remember which), but there are numerous
> netscape packages on the site and I don't know which to tell apt-get to
> fetch.

to be clean i'd remove any existing netscape packages first and install
it fresh. i believe the package i have installed is 'communicator'.

Package: communicator
Status: install ok installed
Priority: optional
Section: contrib/web
Installed-Size: 22
Maintainer: Ryan Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Source: netscape4.base
Version: 1:4.75-1
Depends: communicator-smotif-475, netscape-java-475
Conflicts: netscape-base-406, netscape-base-407, netscape-base-408,
netscape-base-45, netscape-base-451, netscape-base-46,
netscape-base-461, netscape-base-47, netscape-base-472,
netscape-base-473
Description: Meta package that depends on other packages
 This package depends on the real netscape packages, so as to
 make things easier for people to install.
meta-package: yes

i think i got this from security.debian.org im not sure if its available
on the main mirrors yet.

nate

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Re: Netscape 4.75 problems

[Anthony Campbell]

On 05 Sep 2000, Nate Amsden wrote:
> Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > 
> > On 05 Sep 2000, Dale L . Morris wrote:
> > 
> > [snip]
> > >
> > > I am currently running 4.73 Netscape from potato and it works
> > > fine. But when I do the apt-get upgrade it ignores the netscape
> > > packages for 4.75. Anyone know why?
> > >
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> > How do you get to 4.73? I got 4.06 when I upgraded slink to potato.
> > I have upgraded subsequently via proposed updates but this has not
> > yielded 4.73.
> 
> i found upgrading from slink to potato yielded many many non upgraded
> packages, the system would say it is up to date but if i did a manual
> install (xchat comes to mind) apt-get install  apt would
> realize that the program is outdated and upgrade it. odd!! happened on
> every machine i upgraded.
> 
> nate
> 

Thanks for reply. Now the question is, which netscape package(s) should
I ask for? When I upgraded via proposed-updates I got some version of
netscape-base4.75 (can't remember which), but there are numerous
netscape packages on the site and I don't know which to tell apt-get to
fetch.

Anthony


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Re: Netscape 4.75 problems

[Nate Amsden]

Anthony Campbell wrote:
> 
> On 05 Sep 2000, Dale L . Morris wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> >
> > I am currently running 4.73 Netscape from potato and it works
> > fine. But when I do the apt-get upgrade it ignores the netscape
> > packages for 4.75. Anyone know why?
> >
> 
> [snip]
> 
> How do you get to 4.73? I got 4.06 when I upgraded slink to potato.
> I have upgraded subsequently via proposed updates but this has not
> yielded 4.73.

i found upgrading from slink to potato yielded many many non upgraded
packages, the system would say it is up to date but if i did a manual
install (xchat comes to mind) apt-get install  apt would
realize that the program is outdated and upgrade it. odd!! happened on
every machine i upgraded.

nate

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Re: Netscape 4.75 problems

[Anthony Campbell]

On 05 Sep 2000, Dale L . Morris wrote:

[snip]
> 
> I am currently running 4.73 Netscape from potato and it works
> fine. But when I do the apt-get upgrade it ignores the netscape
> packages for 4.75. Anyone know why?
> 

[snip]


How do you get to 4.73? I got 4.06 when I upgraded slink to potato.
I have upgraded subsequently via proposed updates but this has not
yielded 4.73.

Anthony

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Re: Netscape 4.75 problems Solved!

[Dale Morris]

I figured this one out :-)

Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ potato/updates main contrib
non-free" in apt sources.list file and then do the apt-get upgrade
apt-get update and presto! the working netscape 4.75 is installed!
I've tried it on text links and it seems to work fine

Netscape 4.75 problems

[Dale L . Morris]

I've tried to get Netscape 4.75 on my machine and I have trouble with
the following:

1.)I am unable to view text/html links. When I try to open the link I get
an error that vi won't execute the command. (I forget the actual error
message and I don't have 4.75 on my computer right now.

2.)When Netscape is executed to view an image there is a message box that
comes up talking about the Huffman encoding and image quality. This
really isn't a problem, just an annoyance.

What I've done so far is edit my apt.sources file to allow woody
packages, then
apt-get update -> apt-get upgrade
This has allowed me to install the 4.75 packages, but I found when
trying to remove them, the only way I could successfully remove was to
use dselect and ignore the warnings. Any reason I can't use apt-get
remove --purge (netscape/communicator)? 

I am currently running 4.73 Netscape from potato and it works
fine. But when I do the apt-get upgrade it ignores the netscape
packages for 4.75. Anyone know why?

 I had read on this list previously that there was a
new .deb package to download and that would fix the problems I
mentioned above. I tried it last night with no success. 

Any help would be appreciated, I'm new to debian package management.

thanks

Re: Netscape 4.75: Can't open plain text files

[Carel Fellinger]

On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 03:31:50PM +0200, Frank Mehnert wrote:
Hi,

> with Netscape 4.75 I installed from potato-proposed-updates I can't open
> plain text files anymore. If I install 4.75 by the tar.gz archive,
> everything works find. If I use the debian package, after loading the
> text file (status bar bottom left finished), nothing happens.

The same here, if you run netscape from a xterm you will notice an error
message like: "Netscape: Ignoring unsupported format code in mailcap file: %{"
Checking the /etc/mailcap file you'll see entries for text which use
the %{..} feature of mailcap. Somehow netscape has troubles with it.

Could you try with the tarball one if it gives the same error and whether
it uses the mailcap file at all?

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Re: Netscape 4.75: Can't open plain text files

[kmself]

On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 03:31:50PM +0200, Frank Mehnert wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> with Netscape 4.75 I installed from potato-proposed-updates I can't open
> plain text files anymore. If I install 4.75 by the tar.gz archive,
> everything works find. If I use the debian package, after loading the
> text file (status bar bottom left finished), nothing happens.
> 
> Any hints?

Look at MIME types?

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Netscape 4.75: Can't open plain text files

[Frank Mehnert]

Hi,

with Netscape 4.75 I installed from potato-proposed-updates I can't open
plain text files anymore. If I install 4.75 by the tar.gz archive,
everything works find. If I use the debian package, after loading the
text file (status bar bottom left finished), nothing happens.

Any hints?

Frank
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Re: netscape 4.75 package has no netscape command?

[Nate Amsden]

Adam Heath wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Peter S Galbraith wrote:
> 
> >
> > Due to the vulnerability of my old netscape 4.08, I decided to
> > upgrade to the woody version (Version: 4.75-1).
> >
> > I installed netscape-base-4, netscape-base-475 and
> > netscape-java-475.  The only file under a bin directory is
> > netscape-remote.  There is no netscape command!
> >
> > Am I missing something obvious?
> 
> Yes, you did it wrong.
> 
> apt-get install communicator-smotif-475(or navigator).
> 
> This has ALWAYS been the way netscape has been done.  And, in any case, I am
> no longer the maintainer.

have to jump in here, i never had to use the communicator-smotif-* until
recently, before that i always used apt-get install netscape4 and it
always worked!!

would be nice to have that netscape4 package back too since it relied on
a self download of netscape which allowed me to install any netscape4
version i wanted rather then rely on the stuff in the package(easy
upgrades, 128bit support etc).

nate

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Re: netscape 4.75 package has no netscape command?

[Adam Heath]

On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Peter S Galbraith wrote:

> 
> Due to the vulnerability of my old netscape 4.08, I decided to
> upgrade to the woody version (Version: 4.75-1).
> 
> I installed netscape-base-4, netscape-base-475 and
> netscape-java-475.  The only file under a bin directory is
> netscape-remote.  There is no netscape command!
> 
> Am I missing something obvious?

Yes, you did it wrong.

apt-get install communicator-smotif-475(or navigator).

This has ALWAYS been the way netscape has been done.  And, in any case, I am
no longer the maintainer.

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Re: netscape 4.75 package has no netscape command?

[Peter S Galbraith]

Peter S Galbraith wrote:

> 
> Due to the vulnerability of my old netscape 4.08, I decided to
> upgrade to the woody version (Version: 4.75-1).
> 
> I installed netscape-base-4, netscape-base-475 and
> netscape-java-475.  The only file under a bin directory is
> netscape-remote.  There is no netscape command!
> 
> Am I missing something obvious?

Yes I was!
I was missing netscape-smotif-475! 

Peter

netscape 4.75 package has no netscape command?

[Peter S Galbraith]

Due to the vulnerability of my old netscape 4.08, I decided to
upgrade to the woody version (Version: 4.75-1).

I installed netscape-base-4, netscape-base-475 and
netscape-java-475.  The only file under a bin directory is
netscape-remote.  There is no netscape command!

Am I missing something obvious?

(I'd check the BTS, but I don't have netscape anymore! :-)
 
Thanks,
Peter

Re: Netscape 4.75 packages? With 128-bit encryption?

[Joachim Trinkwitz]

Mirek Kwasniak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I converted Brad recipe (only for communicator) to a script (attached at end).

Not needed any more. Netscape 4.75 is in incoming just now, and it
*has* 128-bit encryption.

Greetings,
joachim

Re: Netscape 4.75 packages? With 128-bit encryption?

[Mirek Kwasniak]

On Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 08:57:00PM -0500, Brad wrote:
> In case anyone would find it useful, it's not very difficult to package
> the subject. I must assume a i386 libc6 system, since i have no others
> to test the instructions. If anyone else would, post an addendum. You'll
> need the approrpiate packages for building deb files installed
> (dpkg-dev, debhelper, that sort of thing).
> 
> First, apt-get source netscape-base-473, and download the Netscape
> tarballs for Navigator/Communicator (or both, depending on what you
> want) from netscape.com. Go see a movie while all this downloads.  For
> reference, about 200M should be enough to hold all the files.
[...] etc.

Hi,

I converted Brad recipe (only for communicator) to a script (attached at end).

Mirek
#!/bin/bash
set -e
set -x 

   DC=communicator-v475.x86-unknown-linux2.2
   D=netscape4.75-4.75

   tar xpzf communicator-v475-us.x86-unknown-linux2.2.tar.gz

   dpkg-source -x netscape4.73_4.73-19.dsc
   mv netscape4.73-4.73 $D

   cat < ftmp
netscape4.75 (4.75-0) unstable; urgency=low

  * Strong crypto is good!

 -- You <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  `date '+%a, %d %b %Y %T %z'`

EOF

   cat $D/debian/changelog >> ftmp
   mv ftmp $D/debian/changelog 

   cat $D/debian/installer |
   sed -e 's/for LIBC in 5 6;do/for LIBC in 6;do/g' \
   -e 's/4.73/4.75/g' -e 's/473/475/g' -e 's/LIBC:-5/LIBC:-6/' > ftmp
   mv ftmp $D/debian/installer

   Ds=$D/src/4.75
   mkdir $Ds

   for x in \
 README.install  jae40.jar   joptio40.jar  resource.jar \
 ifc11.jar   java40.jar  jsd10.jar scd10.jar \
 iiop10.jar  jio40.jar   ldap40.jar ;
   do cp -a $DC/$x $Ds; done

   mkdir $Ds/{communicator,navigator,i386}
   mkdir $Ds/i386/{6,communicator,navigator}
   cp -a $DC/{nethelp-v475,spellchk-v475}.nif $Ds/communicator
#fake navigator
   cp -a $DC/nethelp-v475.nif $Ds/navigator 

   cp -a $DC/vreg $Ds/i386/6

   mkdir $Ds/i386/6/{communicator,navigator}
   cp -a $DC/netscape-v475.nif $Ds/i386/6/communicator
#fake navigator
   cp -a $DC/netscape-v475.nif $Ds/i386/6/navigator 

   (
   cd $D
   debian/rules clean
   fakeroot debian/rules binary
   )

#fake navigator
   rm navigator-*.deb

Netscape 4.75 packages? With 128-bit encryption?

[Brad]

In case anyone would find it useful, it's not very difficult to package
the subject. I must assume a i386 libc6 system, since i have no others
to test the instructions. If anyone else would, post an addendum. You'll
need the approrpiate packages for building deb files installed
(dpkg-dev, debhelper, that sort of thing).

First, apt-get source netscape-base-473, and download the Netscape
tarballs for Navigator/Communicator (or both, depending on what you
want) from netscape.com. Go see a movie while all this downloads.  For
reference, about 200M should be enough to hold all the files.

In the netscape4.73-4.73 directory, edit debian/changelog to add an
entry at the top something like this:

=== start entry ===
netscape4.75 (4.75-0) unstable; urgency=low

  * Strong crypto is good!

 -- You <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:46:14 -0500

 end entry 

Also, since we don't particularly want to build a libc5 version, edit
debian/installer and change all lines reading "for LIBC in 5 6;do" to
"for LIBC in 6;do". While you're here, change all occurances of 4.73 or
473 to 4.75 or 475. Toss off a quick debian/rules clean to rebuild the
control file with the new version number.

Now, we turn to the netscape sources. Change into netscape4.73-4.73/src
and create a directory '4.75' (you can remove the 4.73 directory if
you'd like). Now, from either the Communicator or Navigator tarballs,
copy these files (they're the same in both):
  README.install  jae40.jar   joptio40.jar  resource.jar
  ifc11.jar   java40.jar  jsd10.jar scd10.jar
  iiop10.jar  jio40.jar   ldap40.jar

Create the directories 'communicator', 'navigator', and 'i386'. From the
Communicator tarball, copy nethelp-v475.nif and spellchk-v475.nif into
'communicator'. From the Navigator tarball, copy nethelp-v475.nif into
'navigator'. If you don't want one or the other, just copy the 4.73
versions and throw away the debs in the end.

In i386, create directories '6', 'communicator', and 'navigator'. In 6,
copy vreg from either tarball, and create directories 'communicator' and
'navigator'. From the appropriate tarballs, copy netscape-v475.nif into
these two directories. (For future reference, these seem to be the only
two files that differ between the 128-bit and 40-bit tarballs.)

Finally, mv the directory netscape4.73-4.73 to netscape4.75-4.75, cd in,
and fakeroot debian/rules binary. Install whichever set of the resulting
debs suits your system.

HTH, and HTDBYS


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