Re: Newbie needs help with LAN set up

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 26 January 2006 17:29, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:17:50 -0500 (EST)
>
>j Mak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thursday 26 January 
2006 15:21, j Mak wrote:
>> > First off, I am a newbie in Linux
>> > and networking. I have two computers, both about four years old
>> > and both have built in Ethernet and LAN support. One runs ubuntu
>> > ant other sarge. The one with sarge connected to the Internet with
>> > dial-up modem. Both works perfectly. I want to hook the two
>> > computers together to be able to share printers, scanners and the
>> > Internet. Because I have little understanding about setting up a
>> > LAN, I am following a tutorial, I found on the Internet. So far
>> > this is what I have done. I bought a crossover wire and hooked up
>> > the computers. I tested the one with ubuntu installed with the
>> > "ifconfig eth0" command and was confirmed that the eth0 works. The
>> > one with sarge installed however doesn't recognize the eth0
>> > interface. I get the following message: eth0: error fetching
>> > interface information: Device not found
>>
>> Humm, possibly the module that runs your hardware isn't present or
>> loaded.  On the machine that fails eth0, what does an lspci report?
>>
>> This is the output.
>>
>> debian:/home/mak# lspci
>> :00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 730 Host
>> (rev 02) :00:00.1 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems
>> [SiS] 5513 [IDE] (rev d0) :00:01.0 ISA bridge: Silicon
>> Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS85C503/5513 (LPC Bridge) :00:01.2
>> USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller
>> (rev 07) :00:01.3 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems
>> [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 07) :00:01.4 Multimedia audio
>> controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS PCI Audio
>> Accelerator (rev 02) :00:02.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated
>> Systems [SiS] Virtual PCI-to-PCI bridge (AGP) :01:00.0 VGA
>> compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]
>> (rev a3) debian:/home/mak#
>
>I see no ethernet there. Are you sure there is built-in ethernet? if
> so, (I assume it is since you've plugged it in right ;) is it perhaps
> disabled onthe motherboard by some jumper?
>
Or possibly in the bios, but I think linux finds them anyway in that 
event.

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Re: Newbie needs help with LAN set up

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 26 January 2006 17:17, j Mak wrote:
>Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thursday 26 January 
2006 15:21, j Mak wrote:
>> First off, I am a newbie in Linux
>> and networking. I have two computers, both about four years old and
>> both have built in Ethernet and LAN support. One runs ubuntu ant
>> other sarge. The one with sarge connected to the Internet with
>> dial-up modem. Both works perfectly. I want to hook the two
>> computers together to be able to share printers, scanners and the
>> Internet. Because I have little understanding about setting up a
>> LAN, I am following a tutorial, I found on the Internet. So far this
>> is what I have done. I bought a crossover wire and hooked up the
>> computers. I tested the one with ubuntu installed with the "ifconfig
>> eth0" command and was confirmed that the eth0 works. The one with
>> sarge installed however doesn't recognize the eth0 interface. I get
>> the following message: eth0: error fetching interface information:
>> Device not found
>
>Humm, possibly the module that runs your hardware isn't present or
>loaded.  On the machine that fails eth0, what does an lspci report?
>
>This is the output.
>
>debian:/home/mak# lspci
>:00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 730 Host
> (rev 02) :00:00.1 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]
> 5513 [IDE] (rev d0) :00:01.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated
> Systems [SiS] SiS85C503/5513 (LPC Bridge) :00:01.2 USB
> Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev
> 07) :00:01.3 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB
> 1.0 Controller (rev 07) :00:01.4 Multimedia audio controller:
> Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS PCI Audio Accelerator (rev 02)
> :00:02.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Virtual
> PCI-to-PCI bridge (AGP) :01:00.0 VGA compatible controller:
> nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3) debian:/home/mak#
>
Are you sure the card is fully plugged in?  It has to be in that list 
before anyhting else can do anything with it.

Also, please fix your email agents quoting so we can see who said what.

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Re: Newbie needs help with LAN set up[SOLVED]

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Chris Howie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote:> I see no ethernet there. Are you sure there is built-in ethernet? if so, (I assume it is since you've plugged it in right ;) is it perhaps disabled onthe motherboard by some jumper?Could be disabled in the BIOS too.  Might want to double-check that. Stupid me. The Ethernet and LAN support was disabled in the BIOS. I enabled it and eth0 now works properly.Thanks everyone for the suggestions.Regards,J. Mak Chris Howiehttp://www.chrishowie.com-BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-Version: 3.1GCS/IT d-(--) s:- a--->? C++(+++)$> UL P$ L+++> E---W++ N o++ K? w--$ O M- V- PS--(---) PE++ Y+ PGP++ t+ 5? X-R(+)>- tv-(--) b- DI+> D++
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Re: Newbie needs help with LAN set up

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Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> I see no ethernet there. Are you sure there is built-in ethernet? if so, (I 
> assume it is since you've plugged it in right ;) is it perhaps disabled onthe 
> motherboard by some jumper?

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Re: Newbie needs help with LAN set up

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:17:50 -0500 (EST)
j Mak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thursday 26 January 2006 15:21, j 
> Mak wrote:
> > First off, I am a newbie in Linux and
> > networking. I have two computers, both about four years old and both
> > have built in Ethernet and LAN support. One runs ubuntu ant other
> > sarge. The one with sarge connected to the Internet with dial-up
> > modem. Both works perfectly. I want to hook the two computers
> > together to be able to share printers, scanners and the Internet.
> > Because I have little understanding about setting up a LAN, I am
> > following a tutorial, I found on the Internet. So far this is what I
> > have done. I bought a crossover wire and hooked up the computers. I
> > tested the one with ubuntu installed with the "ifconfig eth0" command
> > and was confirmed that the eth0 works. The one with sarge installed
> > however doesn't recognize the eth0 interface. I get the following
> > message: eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found
> >
> Humm, possibly the module that runs your hardware isn't present or 
> loaded.  On the machine that fails eth0, what does an lspci report?
> 
> This is the output.
> 
> debian:/home/mak# lspci
> :00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 730 Host (rev 02)
> :00:00.1 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE] (rev 
> d0)
> :00:01.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS85C503/5513 (LPC 
> Bridge)
> :00:01.2 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 
> Controller (rev 07)
> :00:01.3 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 
> Controller (rev 07)
> :00:01.4 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 
> SiS PCI Audio Accelerator (rev 02)
> :00:02.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Virtual PCI-to-PCI 
> bridge (AGP)
> :01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 
> 440] (rev a3)
> debian:/home/mak#


I see no ethernet there. Are you sure there is built-in ethernet? if so, (I 
assume it is since you've plugged it in right ;) is it perhaps disabled onthe 
motherboard by some jumper?

A

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Re: Newbie needs help with LAN set up

[j Mak]

Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thursday 26 January 2006 15:21, j Mak wrote:> First off, I am a newbie in Linux and> networking. I have two computers, both about four years old and both> have built in Ethernet and LAN support. One runs ubuntu ant other> sarge. The one with sarge connected to the Internet with dial-up> modem. Both works perfectly. I want to hook the two computers> together to be able to share printers, scanners and the Internet.> Because I have little understanding about setting up a LAN, I am> following a tutorial, I found on the Internet. So far this is what I> have done. I bought a crossover wire and hooked up the computers. I> tested the one with ubuntu installed with the "ifconfig eth0"
 command> and was confirmed that the eth0 works. The one with sarge installed> however doesn't recognize the eth0 interface. I get the following> message: eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found>Humm, possibly the module that runs your hardware isn't present or loaded.  On the machine that fails eth0, what does an lspci report?This is the output.debian:/home/mak# lspci:00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 730 Host (rev 02):00:00.1 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE] (rev d0):00:01.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS85C503/5513 (LPC Bridge):00:01.2 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 07):00:01.3 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 07):00:01.4 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS PCI Audio Accelerator (rev
 02):00:02.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Virtual PCI-to-PCI bridge (AGP):01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3)debian:/home/mak#-- Cheers, GenePeople having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz'sstupid bounce rules.  I do use spamassassin too. :-)Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the abovemessage by Gene Heskett are:Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.-- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Newbie needs help with LAN set up

[Peter Colton]

On Thursday 26 January 2006 20:21, j Mak wrote:
>  First off, I am a newbie in Linux and
> networking. I have two computers, both about four years old and both have
> built in Ethernet and LAN support. One runs ubuntu ant other sarge. The one
> with sarge connected to the Internet with dial-up modem. Both works
> perfectly. I want to hook the two computers together to be able to share
> printers, scanners and the Internet. Because I have little understanding
> about setting up a LAN, I am following a tutorial, I found on the Internet.
> So far this is what I have done. I bought a crossover wire and hooked up
> the computers. I tested the one with ubuntu installed with the "ifconfig
> eth0" command and was confirmed that the eth0 works. The one with sarge
> installed however doesn't recognize the eth0 interface. I get the following
> message: eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found
>
> Now, I don't know how to proceed.
> If someone with good knowledge about these issues could kindly help me with
> this problem, I would be very thankful.
>
> Regards,
> J. Mak

Hello Mak,

I would think that a good starting point would to have a look at 
shorewall 
web site for info on howto setup a linux router. This could be on one of the 
two boxs you have setup as desktop machines. Or I would say it would be best 
to get spare box to pratice setting up shorewall. Ideally this spare box 
would become your router. Most of the work on the router box could be done 
over ssh from one of the other boxs. On the router box you would need one 
ethernet card and If you can track down a hub. So the two desktop boxs can 
connect to the hub and the hub is connected to the router box which is 
connected to the net.

So all the best and have a look at shorewall,

Regards

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Re: Newbie needs help with LAN set up

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 26 January 2006 15:21, j Mak wrote:
> First off, I am a newbie in Linux and
> networking. I have two computers, both about four years old and both
> have built in Ethernet and LAN support. One runs ubuntu ant other
> sarge. The one with sarge connected to the Internet with dial-up
> modem. Both works perfectly. I want to hook the two computers
> together to be able to share printers, scanners and the Internet.
> Because I have little understanding about setting up a LAN, I am
> following a tutorial, I found on the Internet. So far this is what I
> have done. I bought a crossover wire and hooked up the computers. I
> tested the one with ubuntu installed with the "ifconfig eth0" command
> and was confirmed that the eth0 works. The one with sarge installed
> however doesn't recognize the eth0 interface. I get the following
> message: eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found
>
Humm, possibly the module that runs your hardware isn't present or 
loaded.  On the machine that fails eth0, what does an lspci report?

>Now, I don't know how to proceed.
>If someone with good knowledge about these issues could kindly help me
> with this problem, I would be very thankful.
>
>Regards,
>J. Mak
>
>
>
>
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Newbie needs help with LAN set up

[j Mak]

 First
 off, I am a newbie in Linux and networking. I have two computers, both about four years old and both have built in Ethernet and LAN support. One runs ubuntu ant other sarge. The one with sarge connected to the Internet with dial-up modem. Both works perfectly. I want to hook the two computers together to be able to share printers, scanners and the Internet. Because I have little understanding about setting up a LAN, I am following a tutorial, I found on the Internet. So far this is what I have done. I bought a crossover wire and hooked up the computers. I tested the one with ubuntu installed with the "ifconfig eth0" command and was confirmed that the eth0 works. The one with sarge installed however doesn't recognize the eth0 interface. I get the following message:eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not foundNow, I don't know how to proceed.If someone with good knowledge about these issues could kindly help me with this problem, I would be very thankful. Regards,J. Mak 
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Newbie needs help with synaptic

[j Mak]

Hi,

I've just installed sarge and from some strage
reasons, I cannot start synptic form the menu. But it
runs perfectly from the command line.  However, when I
close synaptic it leaves the following message in the
terminal.

(synaptic:2788): Gtk-CRITICAL **:
gtk_tree_view_unref_tree_helper: assertion `node !=
NULL' failed

Could anyone help me interpreting this message?

Thanks a lot
jozsefmak

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Re: Newbie needs help fine tuning sarge

[j Mak]

--- Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 04:32:14PM -0400, j Mak
> wrote:
> > 
> 
> > 
> > Thanks for everyone helping me setting up my
> > sources.list. Now, it works fine. But I still
> cannot
> > find anywhere  Nvidia drivers. 
> Hi J,
> one of the neat tools in Debian is
> 'module-assistant'. Use Debian's neat
> search tool: apt-cache like so:
> 'apt-cache search nvidia'
> to find nvidia related software but it is actually
> better to use
> 'module-assistant' in this case!
> so see why, use another Debian command:
> 'apt-cache show module-assistant' it will show:

Hi Kevin,

Thanks for the suggestions. Now, nvidia is up and
running.

regards, 
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Re: Newbie needs help fine tuning sarge

[Maurits van Rees]

On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 06:30:23AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
> one of the neat tools in Debian is 'module-assistant'. Use Debian's neat
> search tool: apt-cache like so:
> 'apt-cache search nvidia'
> to find nvidia related software but it is actually better to use
> 'module-assistant' in this case!

Here is a good HOW-TO from Andrew Schulman on Debian and nVidia:

http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/

It also covers module-assistant, at least as an option for getting
nvidia to work. I didn't know where to start, but this how-to has
helped me. Thanks Andrew!

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Re: Newbie needs help fine tuning sarge

[Kevin Mark]

On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 04:32:14PM -0400, j Mak wrote:
> 

> 
> Thanks for everyone helping me setting up my
> sources.list. Now, it works fine. But I still cannot
> find anywhere  Nvidia drivers. 
Hi J,
one of the neat tools in Debian is 'module-assistant'. Use Debian's neat
search tool: apt-cache like so:
'apt-cache search nvidia'
to find nvidia related software but it is actually better to use
'module-assistant' in this case!
so see why, use another Debian command:
'apt-cache show module-assistant' it will show:
--
Package: module-assistant
Priority: optional
Section: devel
Installed-Size: 292
Maintainer: Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Architecture: all
Version: 0.9
Depends: perl, libtext-wrapi18n-perl
Recommends: liblocale-gettext-perl, libterm-size-perl | libterm-readkey-perl
Suggests: build-essential, dialog | whiptail
Filename: pool/main/m/module-assistant/module-assistant_0.9_all.deb
Size: 72840
MD5sum: 8133cba60a09ef02a51c035bf459e54f
Description: tool to make module package creation easier
 The module-assistant tool helps users and maintainers with managing
 external kernel modules packaged for Debian. It can do:
 .
  - automated preparation of build environment for modules compilation
(eg. automatical detection and installation of required kernel
source/headers)
  - automated module source downloads
  - configuring and keeping track of external and localy built modules
packages
  - semi-automated multiple builds for multiple kernel versions
 .
 It also contains some framework to be used by the build-scripts in the
 accompanying modules-source packages in Debian.
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Re: Newbie needs help fine tuning sarge

[j Mak]

--- Matthias Kaeppler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> j Mak wrote:
> > 1  My /apt/sources.list is empty, where can i find
> > repository addresses.
> 
> If it is empty, I suggest you first run apt-setup.
> This will create a 
> first sources.list for you, and will offer you a
> long list of debian 
> mirrors from all around the world.
> These are for official packages only!
> 
> You will probably also want to add these to your
> sources.list:
> 
> # mplayer, acroread, LAME, etc.
> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
> 
> # Skype, Java 5, Real Player, Flash, etc.
> deb http://archive.unable-to-package.org/debian-utp
> sarge main contrib 
> non-free restricted
> 
> And in case you want to use the newest Xfce (the
> best Desktop ever *g*):
> 
> # XFce 4.2+
> deb http://www.os-works.com/debian testing main
> 
> > 2.Currntly, I can start synaptic only form the
> command
> > line but not from the menu, how can i fix this.
> 
> That's very unlikely. If you have installed synaptic
> with apt, debian 
> will run `update-menus` to put it in the system
> menu. Maybe you looked 
> in the wrong place. It will probably be located in
> "Apps-->System"
> 
> > 3.I connet to the internet using pon from the
> command
> > line, is there a   graphical interface for pon.
> 
> Not that I know of. And what for, if I may ask? The
> command is `pon 
> `. Which becomes even less to type if you
> `alias` it with a 
> custom command. I see no need for a graphical
> interface here, do you?
> 
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Thanks for everyone helping me setting up my
sources.list. Now, it works fine. But I still cannot
find anywhere  Nvidia drivers. 

Also, I still cannot start synaptic from the menu. It
works fine from the command line. But when I close
synaptic, it leaves the followin message in the
terminal window:

(synaptic:2788): Gtk-CRITICAL **:
gtk_tree_view_unref_tree_helper: assertion `node !=
NULL' failed

Could anyone help me interpreting this message?

Thanks a lot
jozsefmak 

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Re: Newbie needs help fine tuning sarge

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 09:20:53AM +0200, Matthias Kaeppler wrote:
> 
> You will probably also want to add these to your sources.list:
> 
> # mplayer, acroread, LAME, etc.
> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
> 
> # Skype, Java 5, Real Player, Flash, etc.
> deb http://archive.unable-to-package.org/debian-utp sarge main contrib 
> non-free 
> restricted
> 
> And in case you want to use the newest Xfce (the best Desktop ever *g*):
> 
> # XFce 4.2+
> deb http://www.os-works.com/debian testing main
> 

A word of warning: The quality of level third-party repositories varies
greatly.  The debian-marillat repo is always top notch (Christian
Marillat is an actual Debian Developer who provides some packages that
cannot go into Debian-proper).  The others I personally don't know
anything about, but you should exercise care.

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Re: Newbie needs help fine tuning sarge

[Carl Fink]

On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 10:48:35AM +0200, Dennis Stosberg wrote:

> There is a tool called "apt-setup", which will help you to make
> entries for mirrors near you and/or the cdroms you have.

And "apt-spy" will determine which servers are currently most efficient.
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Re: Newbie needs help fine tuning sarge

[Clinton V. Weiss]

Matthias Kaeppler wrote:

# Skype, Java 5, Real Player, Flash, etc.
deb http://archive.unable-to-package.org/debian-utp sarge main contrib non-free 
restricted


Doesn't work.  And it looked useful!


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Re: Newbie needs help fine tuning sarge

[Matthias Kaeppler]

j Mak wrote:

1  My /apt/sources.list is empty, where can i find
repository addresses.


If it is empty, I suggest you first run apt-setup. This will create a 
first sources.list for you, and will offer you a long list of debian 
mirrors from all around the world.

These are for official packages only!

You will probably also want to add these to your sources.list:

# mplayer, acroread, LAME, etc.
deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main

# Skype, Java 5, Real Player, Flash, etc.
deb http://archive.unable-to-package.org/debian-utp sarge main contrib 
non-free restricted


And in case you want to use the newest Xfce (the best Desktop ever *g*):

# XFce 4.2+
deb http://www.os-works.com/debian testing main


2.Currntly, I can start synaptic only form the command
line but not from the menu, how can i fix this.


That's very unlikely. If you have installed synaptic with apt, debian 
will run `update-menus` to put it in the system menu. Maybe you looked 
in the wrong place. It will probably be located in "Apps-->System"



3.I connet to the internet using pon from the command
line, is there a   graphical interface for pon.


Not that I know of. And what for, if I may ask? The command is `pon 
`. Which becomes even less to type if you `alias` it with a 
custom command. I see no need for a graphical interface here, do you?


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Re: Newbie needs help fine tuning sarge

[Dennis Stosberg]

Am 14.06.2005 um 01:38 schrieb j Mak:

> 1  My /apt/sources.list is empty, where can i find
> repository addresses.

There is a tool called "apt-setup", which will help you to make
entries for mirrors near you and/or the cdroms you have.

Of course, you can always edit your sources.list manually later. 

> 2.Currntly, I can start synaptic only form the command
> line but not from the menu, how can i fix this.

This depends your desktop or your window manager.  You'll want to
run something like "gksu synaptic" or "kdesu synaptic" in that menu
entry. 

> 3.I connet to the internet using pon from the command
> line, is there a   graphical interface for pon.

bbppp, gpppon, maybe more.

Regards,
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Newbie needs help fine tuning sarge

[j Mak]

Hi,

I've just installed sarge with much help from the
debian community. It works fine, now, and I am very
satisfied with it. But I have a few things still left
to fine tune. 
1  My /apt/sources.list is empty, where can i find
repository addresses.
2.Currntly, I can start synaptic only form the command
line but not from the menu, how can i fix this.
3.I connet to the internet using pon from the command
line, is there a   graphical interface for pon.

Thanks a lot
jozsefmak

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USB newbie needs help

[Torsten Schrammen]

hi @ all
(please be  patient with me for my bad english)

if ve got a debian woody running with an asus p2b as samba sever. now i
like to get cups running with usb and a canon bjc 6100 ( a parport lp0 kyocera printer 
works
fine with cups)

if ve compiled some kernels (2.4.18 / 2.4.23 / 2.4.26 and so on) with
usb support enabled (complete as modules) 

lsmod gives :

mousedev3904   0  (unused)
usbmouse1792   0  (unused)
hid12544   0  (unused)
keybdev 1664   0  (unused)
input   3456   0  [mousedev usbmouse hid keybdev]
printer 5888   0 
usb-uhci   21860   0  (unused)
usbcore54848   1  [usbmouse hid printer usb-uhci]

uname :

Linux samba2 2.4.18 #1 SMP Die Jul 6 17:57:24 CEST 2004 i686 unknown


and my messages log:


Jul  6 18:21:38 localhost kernel: usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O
0xb400, IRQ 5
Jul  6 18:21:38 localhost kernel: usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports
Jul  6 18:21:38 localhost kernel: usb.c: new USB bus registered,
assigned bus number 1
Jul  6 18:21:38 localhost kernel: Product: USB UHCI Root Hub
Jul  6 18:21:38 localhost kernel: SerialNumber: b400
Jul  6 18:21:38 localhost kernel: hub.c: USB hub found
Jul  6 18:21:38 localhost kernel: hub.c: 2 ports detected
Jul  6 18:21:38 localhost kernel: usb-uhci.c: v1.275:USB Universal Host
Controller Interface driver
Jul  6 18:21:38 localhost kernel: usb.c: registered new driver usblp
Jul  6 18:21:38 localhost kernel: printer.c: v0.8:USB Printer Device
Class driver
Jul  6 18:21:38 localhost kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on
bus1/2, assigned device number 2
Jul  6 18:21:38 localhost kernel: Manufacturer: Canon
Jul  6 18:21:38 localhost kernel: Product: BJC-6100
Jul  6 18:21:38 localhost kernel: SerialNumber: 32M1gP
Jul  6 18:21:38 localhost kernel: usb.c: ignoring set_interface for dev
2, iface 0, alt 0
Jul  6 18:21:38 localhost kernel: printer.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional
printer dev 2 if 0 alt 0
Jul  6 18:21:38 localhost kernel: usb.c: registered new driver hid
Jul  6 18:21:38 localhost kernel: hid-core.c: v1.8 Andreas Gal, Vojtech
Pavlik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Jul  6 18:21:38 localhost kernel: hid-core.c: USB HID support drivers
Jul  6 18:21:38 localhost kernel: usb.c: registered new driver usb_mouse
Jul  6 18:21:38 localhost kernel: usbmouse.c: v1.6:USB HID Boot Protocol
mouse driver


my problem is :

i can not print on any USB device.. after echo "blablabla" >
/dev/usb/lp0 (or usblp0) nothing happens and i dont see anything, no log
, no nothing.. whats the magic I dont see ? why is usb-uhci unused ? 
ive read the linux printing.org and some german debian list, but i can
not find my problem... any hints where to look further ?

thanks for your help

torsten







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Re: Newbie needs help :-)

[Colin Watson]

On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 11:51:09AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 01:23:01AM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> > That won't quite work on sarge yet. It should in about two days' time,
> > though.
> 
> That is great news, so Gnome 2.4 will be a full meta package, does it
> include everthing?

Everything that the meta-gnome2 source package depends on.

> What about kde 3.1.4 will it be next?

It'll be a while.

> Keep up the good work, how long until a proper freeze in testing?

We'll see ...

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Re: Newbie needs help :-)

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On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 01:23:01AM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 03:57:14PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> > Jaume Alonso wrote:
> > >Well, today I've installed Sarge and finally all went OK (it was the 
> > >third time I tryed it). But I have a problem:
> > >
> > >GNOME 2.4 does not work :-(
> > >I use GDM and when I selectioned session GNOME and my user name and 
> > >password it didn't work, it says that did not find gnome-session. I 
> > >went to debian website and I downloaded the gnome session.
> [...]
> > Rather than going "to the debian website and I download[ing] the gnome 
> > session", you might find it easier just to "apt-get install gnome".
> 
--> That won't quite work on sarge yet. It should in about two days' time,
--> though.
> 
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That is great news, so Gnome 2.4 will be a full meta package, does it include 
everthing?
What about kde 3.1.4 will it be next?

Keep up the good work, how long until a proper freeze in testing?

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Re: Newbie needs help :-)

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On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 03:57:14PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> Jaume Alonso wrote:
> >Well, today I've installed Sarge and finally all went OK (it was the 
> >third time I tryed it). But I have a problem:
> >
> >GNOME 2.4 does not work :-(
> >I use GDM and when I selectioned session GNOME and my user name and 
> >password it didn't work, it says that did not find gnome-session. I 
> >went to debian website and I downloaded the gnome session.
[...]
> Rather than going "to the debian website and I download[ing] the gnome 
> session", you might find it easier just to "apt-get install gnome".

That won't quite work on sarge yet. It should in about two days' time,
though.

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Re: Newbie needs help

[M . Kirchhoff]

Jaume Alonso  wanadoo.es> writes:

> 
> Hi!
> Well, today I've installed Sarge and finally all went OK (it was the 
> third time I tryed it). But I have a problem:
> 
> GNOME 2.4 does not work.

Gnome is semi-broken under Sarge.  See the DebianWiki Gnome page for further
details from Colin Watson:

http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianGnome

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Re: Newbie needs help :-)

[Kent West]

Jaume Alonso wrote:

Hi!
Well, today I've installed Sarge and finally all went OK (it was the 
third time I tryed it). But I have a problem:

GNOME 2.4 does not work :-(
I use GDM and when I selectioned session GNOME and my user name and 
password it didn't work, it says that did not find gnome-session. I 
went to debian website and I downloaded the gnome session. Then I went 
to gdm, put GNOME, my user name and password and it says:

There was an error starting the GNOME Settings Daemon.

Some things, such as themes, sounds, or background settings may not 
work correctly.

The Settings Daemon restarted too many times.

The last error message was:

Failed to activate 'OAFIID:GNOME_SettingsDaemon'

GNOME will still try to restart the Settings Daemon netx time you log in.



Rather than going "to the debian website and I download[ing] the gnome 
session", you might find it easier just to "apt-get install gnome".


Another thing: I've istalled WinXP and Debian in my computer but when 
I start it, LILO boots directly debian. How can I configure LILO to 
ask me which OS I want to boot every time that I start my computer??

Edit /etc/lilo.conf, and add a stanza that looks something like this:

other=/dev/hda1
  label=WinXP
Then save the file and run "lilo".

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Newbie needs help :-)

[Jaume Alonso]

Hi!
Well, today I've installed Sarge and finally all went OK (it was the 
third time I tryed it). But I have a problem:

GNOME 2.4 does not work :-(
I use GDM and when I selectioned session GNOME and my user name and 
password it didn't work, it says that did not find gnome-session. I went 
to debian website and I downloaded the gnome session. Then I went to 
gdm, put GNOME, my user name and password and it says:

There was an error starting the GNOME Settings Daemon.

Some things, such as themes, sounds, or background settings may not work 
correctly.

The Settings Daemon restarted too many times.

The last error message was:

Failed to activate 'OAFIID:GNOME_SettingsDaemon'

GNOME will still try to restart the Settings Daemon netx time you log in.



What may I have to do??

Another thing: I've istalled WinXP and Debian in my computer but when I 
start it, LILO boots directly debian. How can I configure LILO to ask me 
which OS I want to boot every time that I start my computer??

Sorry for my English, but I'm only 14 and I'm from Catalonia.





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Newbie needs help

[Jaume Alonso]

Hi!
Well, today I've installed Sarge and finally all went OK (it was the 
third time I tryed it). But I have a problem:

GNOME 2.4 does not work.
I use GDM and when I selectioned session GNOME and my user name and 
password it didn't work, it says that did not find gnome-session. I went 
to debian website and I downloaded the gnome session. Then I went to 
gdm, put GNOME, my user name and password and it says:

There was an error starting the GNOME Settings Daemon.

Some things, such as themes, sounds, or background settings may not work 
correctly.

The Settings Daemon restarted too many times.

The last error message was:

Failed to activate 'OAFIID:GNOME_SettingsDaemon'

GNOME will still try to restart the Settings Daemon netx time you log in.

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Re: newbie needs help.........

[Sebastian Kapfer]

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 23:20:10 +0200, Zakaria wrote:

> Hey I was trying to buy Debian Cd instead of downloading debian...

A very good idea actually :-)

> but they have for different Architectures  Alpha ; ARM ; HPPA ; i386 ;
> IA-64 ; m68k ; MIPS ; PowerPC ; S/390 ; Sparc ; source ; Hurd-i386 ;
> Hurd-source ...
> 
> I'm getting Debian for my VIA EPIA M1, Would that would be i386?

The VIA EPIA definitely is a i386 compatible system. The others won't work
(well, Hurd would, but Hurd is _very_ experimental). Get the i386 CD set.

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Re: newbie needs help.........

[Kent West]

Zakaria wrote:

Hey I was trying to buy Debian Cd instead of
downloading debian... but they have for different
Architectures  Alpha ; ARM ; HPPA ; i386 ; IA-64 ;
m68k ; MIPS ; PowerPC ; S/390 ; Sparc ; source ;
Hurd-i386 ; Hurd-source ... 

I'm getting Debian for my VIA EPIA M1, Would that
would be i386?  i know it is but i just wanna make
sure that the right CD to buy thanks for your help
 

Yes, it's i386. It's an x86-compatible mobo that'll take a VIA C3 or 
Eden processor. It's not Sparc or m68k, etc. It also looks to be a nice 
little mini-board if you're wanting small size and are willing to 
sacrifice some performance 
(http://www.whiningdog.net/Reviews/PC/Motherboards/20030820-VIAM1/).

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Re: newbie needs help.........

[John Spray]

Zakaria wrote:

I'm getting Debian for my VIA EPIA M1, Would that
would be i386?  i know it is but i just wanna make
sure that the right CD to buy thanks for your help
Yes.



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Hey I was trying to buy Debian Cd instead of
downloading debian... but they have for different
Architectures  Alpha ; ARM ; HPPA ; i386 ; IA-64 ;
m68k ; MIPS ; PowerPC ; S/390 ; Sparc ; source ;
Hurd-i386 ; Hurd-source ... 


I'm getting Debian for my VIA EPIA M1, Would that
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Re: ip_tables newbie needs help [was "test - please ignore"

[Vineet Kumar]

* Ernst-Magne Vindal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20030403 02:54 PST]:
> On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Vineet Kumar wrote:
> > * [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20030402 09:21 PST]:
> > >
> > > Is there an easy way to change the rule so I can limit to e.g :
> > > one host?
> > > one net/subnet
> > > or users?
> >
> > Do you mean you only want to allow packets from a given source?  How
> > about the --source option?
> >
> 
> I have looked at it, that would partly solve what I have thought about
> how to config my firewall. But if I read the man right, this option has
> it's limitations.
> I also looked at "mac" option, and that will, I think, cover what I thougt
> of.
> Let say that I only want to grant access to me, from my laptop when I'm
> traveling, then I could use that option. Right?

Actually, no ... read below.

> 
> > As for 'users', what do you mean? You can match outgoing packets with
> > the user running the process that generated them with the --uid-owner
> > option.  For non-locally-generated packets, it just doesn't make any
> > sense.
> >
> 
> Mabye I wasn't clear, I want access to that firewall from outside with
> ssh, and only me. Then I need som walidaton, right? If I can do that with
> mac address, that's fine, but I can't limit the access to an IP
> range/singel addres. Then it woulden't be posible to access when
> traveling, logging on from defferent locations.

Nope, that isn't going to work.  a MAC address is an ethernet address.
It's only relevant on one physical network.  So when, for example,
192.168.1.2 talks directly to 192.168.1.1, they see each other's MAC
address.  But when 192.168.1.2 talks to 128.32.136.9 via a gateway (say
192.168.1.1) each endpoint only sees the MAC address of the nearest
router on that path.  In fact, all of the hops on the path need not even
be ethernet, and thus might not have any concept of a MAC address.

The best way to do what you want is probably just to allow ssh from
anywhere.  If you know you only want to access it from particular
locations and/or networks, you can add in those specific addresses only,
but I'm guessing that for your purposes, that's trading too much
convenience for too little security.

> 
> > > Another problem is when I run "iptables -L" after stop and
> start, >
> > stop and start what?  iptables is not a running daemon.
> >
> 
> I got to files for the firewall, one firewall.rules and a script
> collecting the rules from that file and enableing ip forwarding. Then I
> can: start, stop, restart, list.
> 
> > > I'll get the same result. Is there a way to "flush", or clean up the
> > > rules?
> >
> > man iptables | less +/flush
> >
> 
> done that, the command didn't make any difference.

hahaha!  Did you really do that?  Let me spell it out for you a bit more.  I'm sorry 
to laugh; I don't mean to make fun, but that's really funny.

at a shell prompt, type in "man iptables | less +/flush"
hit enter
DON'T hit 'q' until you figure out how to flush a chain.
If you need a hint, read the paragraph below one more time.

> > (the answer is '-F').  But really, these are precisely the type of
> > questions that the man page can answer for you in a few seconds.  Give
> > it a try.

the command "man iptables | less +/flush" is how you read the man page.
Piping the manpage into "less +/flush" tells less to search for "flush".
So you should now be looking at the iptables man page, right at the
section that documents the command to flush a chain.  Read it!

good times,
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Re: ip_tables newbie needs help [was "test - please ignore"

[Ernst-Magne Vindal]

On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Vineet Kumar wrote:

> * [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20030402 09:21 PST]:
> > Hugh Saunders wrote:
> > >[OFF-LIST]
> > >
> > >On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 01:47:20PM -0100, ernst wrote:
> > >
> > >>test - please ignore
> > >
> > >
> > >it is *never* necessary to post a test message.
> > >
> > >
> > >why not just post something relevant (as that is why you joined the list
> > >(hopeully)) then see if you get it back?
> > >
> > >Sometimes takes 30mins or so for message to come back from the
> > >list servers.
> > >
> > >hugh
> >
> > Sorry about this, never do it again.
> >
> > So to my question,
> > I have a debian box configured as firewall with IP tables. Basicly
> > exepting all traffic out and only ssh in. But this rule say "Allow
> > everyone access". Her is from the firewall script:
> > 
> > /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport ssh -j ACCEPT
> > /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport ssh -j ACCEPT
> > 
>
> Why do you allow inbound UDP port 22?  I've never heard of any sshd
> running over UDP.
>

Well...there you see, I need help:)
That was taken from a google result, I thought about the same thing, but
wasn't 100% sure so I just added UDP as well.

> >
> > Is there an easy way to change the rule so I can limit to e.g :
> > one host?
> > one net/subnet
> > or users?
>
> Do you mean you only want to allow packets from a given source?  How
> about the --source option?
>

I have looked at it, that would partly solve what I have thought about
how to config my firewall. But if I read the man right, this option has
it's limitations.
I also looked at "mac" option, and that will, I think, cover what I thougt
of.
Let say that I only want to grant access to me, from my laptop when I'm
traveling, then I could use that option. Right?

> As for 'users', what do you mean? You can match outgoing packets with
> the user running the process that generated them with the --uid-owner
> option.  For non-locally-generated packets, it just doesn't make any
> sense.
>

Mabye I wasn't clear, I want access to that firewall from outside with
ssh, and only me. Then I need som walidaton, right? If I can do that with
mac address, that's fine, but I can't limit the access to an IP
range/singel addres. Then it woulden't be posible to access when
traveling, logging on from defferent locations.

> > Another problem is when I run "iptables -L" after stop and
start, >
> stop and start what?  iptables is not a running daemon.
>

I got to files for the firewall, one firewall.rules and a script
collecting the rules from that file and enableing ip forwarding. Then I
can: start, stop, restart, list.

> > I'll get the same result. Is there a way to "flush", or clean up the
> > rules?
>
> man iptables | less +/flush
>

done that, the command didn't make any difference.

> (the answer is '-F').  But really, these are precisely the type of
> questions that the man page can answer for you in a few seconds.  Give
> it a try.
>
> good times,
> Vineet
>
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Thanks a lot for tips and pointers, I'll know what to look into now:)
I guess one or more of these options will solve my problem.

thanks
/ernst


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Re: ip_tables newbie needs help [was "test - please ignore"

[Vineet Kumar]

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20030402 09:21 PST]:
> Hugh Saunders wrote:
> >[OFF-LIST]
> >
> >On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 01:47:20PM -0100, ernst wrote:
> >
> >>test - please ignore
> >
> >
> >it is *never* necessary to post a test message.
> >
> >
> >why not just post something relevant (as that is why you joined the list
> >(hopeully)) then see if you get it back?
> >
> >Sometimes takes 30mins or so for message to come back from the
> >list servers.
> >
> >hugh
> 
> Sorry about this, never do it again.
> 
> So to my question,
> I have a debian box configured as firewall with IP tables. Basicly 
> exepting all traffic out and only ssh in. But this rule say "Allow 
> everyone access". Her is from the firewall script:
> 
> /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport ssh -j ACCEPT
> /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport ssh -j ACCEPT
> 

Why do you allow inbound UDP port 22?  I've never heard of any sshd
running over UDP.

> 
> Is there an easy way to change the rule so I can limit to e.g :
> one host?
> one net/subnet
> or users?

Do you mean you only want to allow packets from a given source?  How
about the --source option?

As for 'users', what do you mean? You can match outgoing packets with
the user running the process that generated them with the --uid-owner
option.  For non-locally-generated packets, it just doesn't make any
sense.

> Another problem is when I run "iptables -L" after stop and start, 

stop and start what?  iptables is not a running daemon.

> I'll get the same result. Is there a way to "flush", or clean up the 
> rules?

man iptables | less +/flush

(the answer is '-F').  But really, these are precisely the type of
questions that the man page can answer for you in a few seconds.  Give
it a try.

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ip_tables newbie needs help [was "test - please ignore"

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Hugh Saunders wrote:
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On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 01:47:20PM -0100, ernst wrote:

test - please ignore

it is *never* necessary to post a test message.

why not just post something relevant (as that is why you joined the list
(hopeully)) then see if you get it back?
Sometimes takes 30mins or so for message to come back from the
list servers.
hugh
Sorry about this, never do it again.

So to my question,
I have a debian box configured as firewall with IP tables. Basicly 
exepting all traffic out and only ssh in. But this rule say "Allow 
everyone access". Her is from the firewall script:

/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport ssh -j ACCEPT
/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport ssh -j ACCEPT


Is there an easy way to change the rule so I can limit to e.g :
one host?
one net/subnet
or users?
Another problem is when I run "iptables -L" after stop and start, 
I'll get the same result. Is there a way to "flush", or clean up the 
rules?

Please help.
thanks
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Re: Newbie needs help badly!

[Rob Weir]

[please wrap your lines to something reasonable]

On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 12:41:38AM -0800, Fred Sloniker wrote:
> I'd like to apologize in advance to anyone who's helped me with my
> previous questions and hasn't gotten a thank-you.  There's a good
> reason for that, though: Debian ate my email.
> 
> I've been trying to get a window system working, but I decided to
> focus on something more basic, specifically getting fetchmail up and
> running.  It grabbed the 300-some mail in my box and put them...
> somewhere.  I don't know where.  My user account, the one they should
> have been sent to, has no mail.  Neither does root.

Fetchmail should have pulled down your mail and delivered it to your
local user account's mail spool in /var/spool/mail/$USER.  Pointing your
MUA at it should allow you to read your mail (mutt -f
/var/spool/mail/$USER, f'r example).

It's possible, I guess, that fetchmail delivered your mail to the wrong
user, but it should still be in /var/spool/mail/.  Try 'ls -l' and see
if it look like your mail has been going elsewhere.

Also, try reading your /var/log/exim/mainlog to see what exim has been
doing with your mail.

> I can't even boot into Linux now because fetchmail will eat more of my
> email.  Would someone please tell me what I need to do to get those
> 300-odd messages delivered so I can stop using Windows? 

Worst case, start Linux in single user mode ('Linux 1' at the LILO
prompt) and use rcconf to disable the fetchmail service.

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Re: Newbie needs help badly!

[Oliver Fuchs]

On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Fred Sloniker wrote:

> I'd like to apologize in advance to anyone who's helped me with my
> previous questions and hasn't gotten a thank-you.  There's a good
> reason for that, though: Debian ate my email.
> 
> I've been trying to get a window system working, but I decided to
> focus on something more basic, specifically getting fetchmail up and
> running.  It grabbed the 300-some mail in my box and put them...
> somewhere.  I don't know where.  My user account, the one they should
> have been sent to, has no mail.  Neither does root.

Your .fetchmailrc file should look something like this:

set postmaster "memyself"
set bouncemail
set no spambounce
set properties ""

poll pop.mail.isp.aka with proto POP3
   user 'myispname' there with password 'secret' is 'mydebianuser' here options 
fetchall

So your mydebianuser should have received the mail.
If not look at your .procmairc file ... what is it saying.
Try to locate your mailbox.
What does the log say (sendmail or exim).

> I can't even boot into Linux now because fetchmail will eat more of my
> email. 

I do not understand why you are not able anymore to boot your debian box
- this could not be caused by fetchmail. Or do you mean you do not want
to boot it again because you are afraid your mails will be eaten again?

> Would someone please tell me what I need to do to get those
> 300-odd messages delivered so I can stop using Windows? 

Give more info.

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Re: Newbie needs help badly!

[nate]

Fred Sloniker said:

> I can't even boot into Linux now because fetchmail will eat more of my
> email.  Would someone please tell me what I need to do to get those
> 300-odd messages delivered so I can stop using Windows?

I can't remember fetchmail ever eating a message for me. what fetchmail
does is retrieve mail then re-send it via the local mail system. So
if your user johnf, and your system name is john.example.com, and you
run fetchmail it's supposed to re-send those emails to [EMAIL PROTECTED],
if your mail system is not working(not configured, not fully installed)
then they may be stuck in a local mail queue(try running 'mailq') also
check your local inbox, in most cases this is /var/spool/mail/$USER
though if you configured another system such as cyrus or courier it
may be stored elsewhere.

if the local mail server was broken for some reason, the email may of
bounced and may be stored elsewhere, in sendmail this is sometimes
/var/lib/sendmail/dead.letter I think. Other MTAs I'm not sure about.
you can also check the mail server's logs.

nate




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Newbie needs help badly!

[Fred Sloniker]

I'd like to apologize in advance to anyone who's helped me with my previous questions 
and hasn't gotten a thank-you.  There's a good reason for that, though: Debian ate my 
email.

I've been trying to get a window system working, but I decided to focus on something 
more basic, specifically getting fetchmail up and running.  It grabbed the 300-some 
mail in my box and put them... somewhere.  I don't know where.  My user account, the 
one they should have been sent to, has no mail.  Neither does root.

I can't even boot into Linux now because fetchmail will eat more of my email.  Would 
someone please tell me what I need to do to get those 300-odd messages delivered so I 
can stop using Windows? 





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Re: newbie needs help w/partitioning

[Joachim Fahnenmueller]

On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 06:42:09PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I have a 1.5 Gbyte disk partitioned into 2 DOS drives, one 900 Mbyte 
> (Windows), and the other 600 Mbyte. I want to use the 600 Mbyte for Linux. 
> Using cfdisk in dbootstrap I configure two primary partitions in this drive, 
> a Linux swap and a Linux native. I'd like to keep the Windows partition 
> bootable, so it comes up by default, and I would like to boot linux from the 
> floppy. Is this possible?

No problem. Just make a linux boot floppy. I think you are asked during the 
installation process. And make sure you have the right boot priority in BIOS: 
floppy before hard disk.

> Is there a better way?

Configure lilo so that it can boot both OSs and install it on the hard disk. 
See man lilo. I attach my lilo.conf for your info.

HTH Joachim

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51065 Köln# /etc/lilo.conf - See: `lilo(8)' and `lilo.conf(5)',
# ---   `install-mbr(8)', `/usr/share/doc/lilo/',
#   and `/usr/share/doc/mbr/'.

# +---+
# |!! Reminder !! |
# |   |
# | Don't forget to run `lilo' after you make changes to this |
# | conffile, `/boot/bootmess.txt', or install a new kernel.  The |
# | computer will most likely fail to boot if a kernel-image  |
# | post-install script or you don't remember to run `lilo'.  |
# |   |
# +---+

# Support LBA for large hard disks.
#
lba32

# Specifies the boot device.  This is where Lilo installs its boot
# block.  It can be either a partition, or the raw device, in which
# case it installs in the MBR, and will overwrite the current MBR.
#
boot=/dev/hda

# Specifies the device that should be mounted as root. (`/')
#
root=/dev/hda4

# Enable map compaction:
# Tries to merge read requests for adjacent sectors into a single
# read request. This drastically reduces load time and keeps the
# map smaller.  Using `compact' is especially recommended when
# booting from a floppy disk.  It is disabled here by default
# because it doesn't always work.
#
# compact

# Installs the specified file as the new boot sector
#
install=/boot/boot.b

# Specifies the location of the map file
#
map=/boot/map

# You can set a password here, and uncomment the `restricted' lines
# in the image definitions below to make it so that a password must
# be typed to boot anything but a default configuration.  If a
# command line is given, other than one specified by an `append'
# statement in `lilo.conf', the password will be required, but a
# standard default boot will not require one.
#
# This will, for instance, prevent anyone with access to the
# console from booting with something like `Linux init=/bin/sh',
# and thus becoming `root' without proper authorization.
#
# Note that if you really need this type of security, you will
# likely also want to use `install-mbr' to reconfigure the MBR
# program, as well as set up your BIOS to disallow booting from
# removable disk or CD-ROM, then put a password on getting into the
# BIOS configuration as well.  Please RTFM `install-mbr(8)'.
#
# password=tatercounter2000

# Specifies the number of deciseconds (0.1 seconds) LILO should
# wait before booting the first image.
#
delay=20

# You can put a customized boot message up if you like.  If you use
# `prompt', and this computer may need to reboot unattended, you
# must specify a `timeout', or it will sit there forever waiting
# for a keypress.  `single-key' goes with the `alias' lines in the
# `image' configurations below.  eg: You can press `1' to boot
# `Linux', `2' to boot `LinuxOLD', if you uncomment the `alias'.
#
 message=/boot/bootmess.txt
prompt
#   single-key
#   delay=100
timeout=300

# Specifies the VGA text mode at boot time. (normal, extended, ask, )
#
# vga=ask
# vga=9
#
vga=normal

# Kernel command line options that apply to all installed images go
# here.  See: The `boot-prompt-HOWO' and `kernel-parameters.txt' in
# the Linux kernel `Documentation' directory.
#
# append=""

# Boot up Linux by default.
#
default=Linux

image=/boot/vmlinuz
label=Linux
read-only
#   restricted
alias=2

image=/boot/vmlinuz2
label=Linux2
read-only
optional
#   restricted
alias=3

# If you have another OS on this machine to boot, you can uncomment the
# following lines, changing the device name on the `other' line to
# where your other OS' partition is.
#
 other=/dev/hda1
label=Windows
#   restricted
alias=1
table=/dev/hda

Re: newbie needs help w/partitioning

[Shawn McMahon]

begin  [EMAIL PROTECTED] quotation:
> 
> I have a 1.5 Gbyte disk partitioned into 2 DOS drives, one 900 Mbyte 
> (Windows), and the other 600 Mbyte. I want to use the 600 Mbyte for Linux. 
> Using cfdisk in dbootstrap I configure two primary partitions in this drive, 
> a Linux swap and a Linux native. I'd like to keep the Windows partition 
> bootable, so it comes up by default, and I would like to boot linux from the 
> floppy. Is this possible? Is there a better way?

Wrap your lines so people can quote in context more easily, please.

Yes, it's possible.

Yes, there's a better way; use a boot manager such as lilo or grub to
allow you to select either Windows or Linux from a boot-time menu.


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Re: newbie needs help w/partitioning

[Osamu Aoki]

On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 06:42:09PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have a 1.5 Gbyte disk partitioned into 2 DOS drives, one 900 Mbyte
> (Windows), and the other 600 Mbyte. I want to use the 600 Mbyte for
> Linux. Using cfdisk in dbootstrap I configure two primary partitions
> in this drive, a Linux swap and a Linux native. I'd like to keep the
> Windows partition bootable, so it comes up by default, and I would
> like to boot linux from the floppy. Is this possible? Is there a
> better way?

Welcome to Debian.

Short answer: Yes.
Longer answe: Do not install KDE, GNOME, ... 

Suppose you configured system as 
/dev/hda1 (DOS 900MB)
/dev/hda2 (LINUX ext2 550MB)
/dev/hda5 (LINUX SWAP 50MB)

Then install "Lilo" during installation to /dev/hda2.  Then install
debian MBR program into /dev/hda (MBR).  This is safer for beginer.

Debian MBR can boot both partitions without problem.

Installing lilo to MBR is because some security freak (sorry) peope
decided this is safer which I doubts effectiveness.

Anyway, enjoy console and use your sytem as X server (i,e,. X-Terminal).
In console you can do many things.  See my web pages below :)

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Re: newbie needs help w/partitioning

[David Wright]

> I have a 1.5 Gbyte disk partitioned into 2 DOS drives, one 900 Mbyte
> (Windows), and the other 600 Mbyte. I want to use the 600 Mbyte for
> Linux. Using cfdisk in dbootstrap I configure two primary partitions
> in this drive, a Linux swap and a Linux native. I'd like to keep the
> Windows partition bootable, so it comes up by default, and I would
> like to boot linux from the floppy. Is this possible? Is there a
> better way?

600 MB is pretty small by today's standards, but this is certainly
do-able. Just use a Debian install CD (or any other Linux distribution,
for that matter) and make such you have it install only the bare minimum
of software. There is no need to boot from diskette -- any bootloader,
including the standard lilo that comes with any Linux distribution, can be
configurated to allow you a choice of paritions at boot-time, and can
make any of them the default.

If this is the first time you are doing this, grab a friend who knows
Linux to help you.


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[wirtsgasse]

Hi,

I have a 1.5 Gbyte disk partitioned into 2 DOS drives, one 900 Mbyte (Windows), 
and the other 600 Mbyte. I want to use the 600 Mbyte for Linux. Using cfdisk in 
dbootstrap I configure two primary partitions in this drive, a Linux swap and a 
Linux native. I'd like to keep the Windows partition bootable, so it comes up 
by default, and I would like to boot linux from the floppy. Is this possible? 
Is there a better way?

Thanks!

Dave


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Re: virtual newbie needs help with lib (?)

[Jerome Acks Jr]

sam rosenfeld wrote:

When I installed my current (debian-2.2r2) distribution, I think I
unconsciously chose a reduced version -- that is, with a smallish subset
of the files on the CD-rom.  I may also have chosen a much too small set
of lib files.  The problem:  After downloading files from the net (just
about any files, any URLs), I cannot compile the programs.  One issue -- I
I have libc-6.1.something, and most of the programs I've downloaded in the
past few months want a post-6.2 libc.  However, many of my attempts to
compile end with error messages that mention a variety of other dependency
files which cannot be found by the make or build.

The question:  Is it a good idea to reinstall, possibly with debian-2.2r3,
which I can easily get?  And is reinstallation likely to cure my condition?

Thanks.

s.






Debian stable uses libc6-2.1.3. Testing/woody and unstable/sid use 
libc6-2.2.4.


Don't reinstall with debian-2.2r3; apt-get update & apt-get upgrade will 
get you the most current debian stable packages. If you need the 
libc-2.2.4, you may want to do a dist-upgrade to woody.

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Re: virtual newbie needs help with lib (?)

[dman]

On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 01:49:49PM -0500, sam rosenfeld wrote:
| When I installed my current (debian-2.2r2) distribution, I think I
| unconsciously chose a reduced version -- that is, with a smallish subset
| of the files on the CD-rom.  I may also have chosen a much too small set
| of lib files.  The problem:  After downloading files from the net (just
| about any files, any URLs), I cannot compile the programs.  One issue -- I
| I have libc-6.1.something, and most of the programs I've downloaded in the
| past few months want a post-6.2 libc.  However, many of my attempts to
| compile end with error messages that mention a variety of other dependency
| files which cannot be found by the make or build.

To compile programs you also need to install the -dev packages that
correspond to the binary package.  For example, libc6-dev.

| The question:  Is it a good idea to reinstall, possibly with debian-2.2r3,
| which I can easily get?  And is reinstallation likely to cure my condition?

Only if you install the -dev packages then.  It is easier to simply
'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade' to get the 2.2r3 packages
installed on your system.

HTH,
-D

Re: virtual newbie needs help with lib (?)

[Colin Watson]

On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 01:49:49PM -0500, sam rosenfeld wrote:
> When I installed my current (debian-2.2r2) distribution, I think I
> unconsciously chose a reduced version -- that is, with a smallish subset
> of the files on the CD-rom.  I may also have chosen a much too small set
> of lib files.  The problem:  After downloading files from the net (just
> about any files, any URLs), I cannot compile the programs.

Sounds like you're missing libc6-dev.

> The question:  Is it a good idea to reinstall, possibly with debian-2.2r3,
> which I can easily get?  And is reinstallation likely to cure my condition?

No need, just grab extra packages.

Cheers,

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Re: virtual newbie needs help with lib (?)

[Kurt Lieber]

Have you tried using dselect and/or dpkg and/or apt-get instead of compiling 
things manually?  Those will handle dependencies for you so if you don't have 
the correct lib file, it will download it automatically for you.

Much, much easier than trying to compile everything yourself from source.  
Debian's package manager solution is one of the key strengths of Debian as a 
distro -- you're missing out if you're not using it.

--kurt

On Saturday 20 October 2001 11:49, sam rosenfeld wrote:
>The problem:  After downloading files from the net (just
> about any files, any URLs), I cannot compile the programs. 

virtual newbie needs help with lib (?)

[sam rosenfeld]

When I installed my current (debian-2.2r2) distribution, I think I
unconsciously chose a reduced version -- that is, with a smallish subset
of the files on the CD-rom.  I may also have chosen a much too small set
of lib files.  The problem:  After downloading files from the net (just
about any files, any URLs), I cannot compile the programs.  One issue -- I
I have libc-6.1.something, and most of the programs I've downloaded in the
past few months want a post-6.2 libc.  However, many of my attempts to
compile end with error messages that mention a variety of other dependency
files which cannot be found by the make or build.

The question:  Is it a good idea to reinstall, possibly with debian-2.2r3,
which I can easily get?  And is reinstallation likely to cure my condition?

Thanks.

s.

Re: Newbie needs help finding newer packages ...

[dman]

On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 11:52:06AM -0500, Brice D Ruth wrote:
|   I'm a newbie when it comes to debian - I've relegated myself to the 
| likes of redhat and mandrake for the past 5 years :( ... I have an 
| installation of debian 2.2 and it seems to be working all right.  My 
| main problem is that I can't find updated packages to install ... using 
| dselect, the 'potato' package for apache is 1.3.9!!  Where can I get 
| more recent packages?

You will never find more recent packages in 2.2 (aka "potato" or
"stable").  That is the meaning of the version number -- those are the
packages that are in it.

If you want newer packages then you will need to use the "testing" or
"unstable" debian releases (aka "woody" and "sid" respectively).  To
do this, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change occurrences of 'stable'
to 'testing'.  For example, from my sources.list :

# woody

#deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free
#deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free
#deb ftp://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free

#deb ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free
deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free


There is a slight semantic difference between having "woody" instead
of "testing" in the line.  The difference is that woody is a given
release.  When it becomes "stable" I will no longer get new packages.
If I had "testing" specified, then when woody goes stable I would
still have testing (that is, new packages) but would no longer have
woody.

HTH,
-D

Re: Newbie needs help finding newer packages ...

[Karsten M. Self]

on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 11:52:06AM -0500, Brice D Ruth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
>   I'm a newbie when it comes to debian - I've relegated myself to the 
> likes of redhat and mandrake for the past 5 years :( ... I have an 
> installation of debian 2.2 and it seems to be working all right.  My 
> main problem is that I can't find updated packages to install ... using 
> dselect, the 'potato' package for apache is 1.3.9!!  Where can I get 
> more recent packages?

http://www.debian.org/releases/

Peace.

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Newbie needs help finding newer packages ...

[Brice D Ruth]

 I'm a newbie when it comes to debian - I've relegated myself to the 
likes of redhat and mandrake for the past 5 years :( ... I have an 
installation of debian 2.2 and it seems to be working all right.  My 
main problem is that I can't find updated packages to install ... using 
dselect, the 'potato' package for apache is 1.3.9!!  Where can I get 
more recent packages?


-Brice

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Re: Newbie needs help

[Renai LeMay]

> Since you say 'I dont know anything about linux/unix' I would also
> recommend a very well-balanced Linux intro book by Michael Kofler,
> entitled _Linux_.  It's on its second edition and is published by
> Addison-Wesley.  bookpool.com should carry it, along with many other
> retailers.

When I've helped friends install linux, I always point them at:

http://www.linuxdoc.org - the Linux Documentation Project and

http://www.linuxnewbie.org - for more practical guides like installing a 
certain sound card, video card, configuring home network etc.

good luck!

Renai

Re: Newbie needs help

[Daniel Freedman]

On Mon, Apr 30, 2001, Rahul Agarwal wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am new to Unix/Linux. I installed debian linux according to the
> installation instruction at debian.org. But my ethernet card(SMC EZ
> Card 10/100 PCI (SMC1211 Series)) was not recognized. Also I dont
> have a gui installed. I found a driver name at linuxdoc.com for 1211
> series but dont know how to download it and install it. Can someone
> please refer to some document which can help me set up my hardware
> and gui. I dont know anything about linux/unix.
> Any help will be appreciated.
> 
> Rahul

Rahul,

Karstens' suggestions should help you get set up with your debian
install.  Also, searching on google and looking at archives of this
list at lists.debian.org should fill in the missing pieces.

Since you say 'I dont know anything about linux/unix' I would also
recommend a very well-balanced Linux intro book by Michael Kofler,
entitled _Linux_.  It's on its second edition and is published by
Addison-Wesley.  bookpool.com should carry it, along with many other
retailers.

Hope this helps and take care,

Daniel


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Re: Newbie needs help

[Karsten M. Self]

on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 01:22:27AM -0400, Rahul Agarwal ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am new to Unix/Linux. I installed debian linux according to the
> installation instruction at debian.org. But my ethernet card(SMC EZ
> Card 10/100 PCI (SMC1211 Series)) was not recognized. Also I dont have
> a gui installed. I found a driver name at linuxdoc.com for 1211 series
> but dont know how to download it and install it. Can someone please
> refer to some document which can help me set up my hardware and gui. I
> dont know anything about linux/unix. 
> 
> Any help will be appreciated.

Set your mailer to wrap lines at 72 characters.

You'll find that Google (http://www.google.com/) is a good resource.
Plugging in your card spec, it looks as if the rtl8139 driver is what
you need for your card.  If this doesn't appear correct, try plugging
more specific information into Google.

For X (GUI) support, you'll have to provide information on your video
card, monitor, and any errors our output you see when trying to get X
configured.

Cheers.

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Newbie needs help

[Rahul Agarwal]

Hello,
 
I am new to Unix/Linux. I installed debian linux 
according to the installation instruction at debian.org. But my ethernet 
card(SMC EZ Card 10/100 PCI (SMC1211 Series)) was not 
recognized. Also I dont have a gui installed. I found a driver name at 
linuxdoc.com for 1211 series but dont know how to download it and install 
it. Can someone please refer to some document which can help me set up my 
hardware and gui. I dont know anything about linux/unix. 
 
Any help will be appreciated.
 
Rahul

RE: Serious newbie needs help!

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

On 25-Oct-2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi, I'm really quite new at this.  Just installed 2.0.4 of Debian on my 
> laptop, wiping out Windoze completely. :-)
> 
> I just have the basics as the person I got it from just gave me the basic 
> files, no packages, just the base system.  Anyone have the whole set on CD?
> 

linux central has always done debian right.  currently they are offering a 3 cd
set of potato (most recent release) for $6 plus shipping.

> Oh and I also have a problem.  When I first installed Debian, I was networked
> from my Laptop (Debian Box) to my Windows ME Desktop machine, in so much as I
> could get a good ping from it.  The laptop has a combo card, an old Megahertz
> xjem1144 10base2/14.4  Ethernet/modem with the xjacks connector for network.
> 

there is a debian-laptop list for your laptop'ing needs (-:

Serious newbie needs help!

[Viper5192]

Hi, I'm really quite new at this.  Just installed 2.0.4 of Debian on my 
laptop, wiping out Windoze completely. :-)

I just have the basics as the person I got it from just gave me the basic 
files, no packages, just the base system.  Anyone have the whole set on CD?

Oh and I also have a problem.  When I first installed Debian, I was networked 
from my Laptop (Debian Box) to my Windows ME Desktop machine, in so much as I 
could get a good ping from it.  The laptop has a combo card, an old Megahertz 
xjem1144 10base2/14.4  Ethernet/modem with the xjacks connector for network.

Well I had been having problems with file and printing sharing on my desktop 
so I finally get that working, and now I can't ping my Windoze Box.  Must 
have set something different in Windoze.

Help!

Peace

Paul

Newbie extraordinaire ;-)

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Re: Newbie needs help with IP-Masquerading

[Jason Quigley]

A list of steps you've already performed would be useful in order to pinpoint 
where things are going wrong.


Cheers,
Jason.

--On Wednesday, August 9, 2000 6:22 -0500 Jason Schepman 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



HELP!!  I can't get IPMASQ working.  I've recompiled my kernel to add MASQ
support and I'm pretty sure that I got it right.  I've read through the
HOW-TO but I had problems following along (I think it was written with BSD
in mind.not Sys5).  Anywaysany ideas or suggestions would be
helpful.  I can't even tell you exactly what the problem is.  All I know is
that my windows machine can't hit the internet when going through the debian
box.

(It's not a DNS thing because I can't ping the DNS server from windows
either.)

-Jason




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Re: Newbie needs help with IP-Masquerading

[Ron Rademaker]

What does it say when you do: ipchains -L

Ron Rademaker 

On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Jason Schepman wrote:

> HELP!!  I can't get IPMASQ working.  I've recompiled my kernel to add MASQ
> support and I'm pretty sure that I got it right.  I've read through the
> HOW-TO but I had problems following along (I think it was written with BSD
> in mind.not Sys5).  Anywaysany ideas or suggestions would be
> helpful.  I can't even tell you exactly what the problem is.  All I know is
> that my windows machine can't hit the internet when going through the debian
> box.
> 
> (It's not a DNS thing because I can't ping the DNS server from windows
> either.)
> 
> -Jason
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Newbie needs help with IP-Masquerading

[Jason Schepman]

HELP!!  I can't get IPMASQ working.  I've recompiled my kernel to add MASQ
support and I'm pretty sure that I got it right.  I've read through the
HOW-TO but I had problems following along (I think it was written with BSD
in mind.not Sys5).  Anywaysany ideas or suggestions would be
helpful.  I can't even tell you exactly what the problem is.  All I know is
that my windows machine can't hit the internet when going through the debian
box.

(It's not a DNS thing because I can't ping the DNS server from windows
either.)

-Jason

Re: newbie needs help veiwing files

[David Teague]

On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Shaul Karl wrote:

> > 
> > 
> > --- DOUGLAS HUNTER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > When I'm in bash and trying to ls large files I can only see the last 
> > > part of the file due to it scrolling past too fast.
> > > Is there a command to insert that means I can veiw the output page by
> > > page and change pages when I want to ?
> > 
> > ls | more
> > 
> > The pipe ('|') feeds stdout from the first command into stdin of the second
> > one.
> > 
> > 
> 
> Is there a difference between the pipe ('|') and the redirection ('>')?

Hi 
Pipes  | 

Expects two programs, the first must write standard out, stdout,
the second must read standard in, stdin. Then the command line:

cat file | less

sends stdout from cat file to a fifo file on the disk which is then
read into stdin for less (and is displayed a page at a time).

Redirect  >

Expects the program to write stdout, and opens a file for writing
(deleting any former contents) and writes the output of the program

   ls > filelist

the file, filelist, is opened for writing, any former contents
deleted, and the  directory listing from ls is written on filelist.

Hope this helps.

--David
David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely,
 useful, technically accurate, and friendly.
 (I'm hoping this is all of the above!)

Re: newbie needs help veiwing files

[Shaul Karl]

> 
> 
> --- DOUGLAS HUNTER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > When I'm in bash and trying to ls large files I can only see the last 
> > part of the file due to it scrolling past too fast.
> > Is there a command to insert that means I can veiw the output page by
> > page and change pages when I want to ?
> 
> ls | more
> 
> The pipe ('|') feeds stdout from the first command into stdin of the second
> one.
> 
> 

Is there a difference between the pipe ('|') and the redirection ('>')?

Re: newbie needs help veiwing files

[Robert Mognet]

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When I'm in bash and trying to ls large files I can only see the last=20
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page and change pages when I want to ?

Not sure what you mean by 'ls large files'. 
Check out the utility called 'less', you can go a line
at a time, scroll backwards and all kinds of nifty stuff.
hth
rbt


I've also got a problem with GNOME in that the screen only partially=20
fits onto my monitor any idea where I can find the config file for this?

Thanks in advance

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Re: newbie needs help veiwing files

[Ron Rademaker]

On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Michel [UNKNOWN] Dänzer wrote:

> 
> 
> --- DOUGLAS HUNTER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > When I'm in bash and trying to ls large files I can only see the last 
> > part of the file due to it scrolling past too fast.
> > Is there a command to insert that means I can veiw the output page by
> > page and change pages when I want to ?
> 
> ls | more

I would recommend ls | less, you can also go back up if you use less
instead of more

> 
> The pipe ('|') feeds stdout from the first command into stdin of the second
> one.
> 
> 
> > I've also got a problem with GNOME in that the screen only partially 
> > fits onto my monitor any idea where I can find the config file for this?
> 
> /etc/X11/XF86Config
> 
> Reverse the order of the modes in the appropriate Screen Section towards the
> end of the file.
> 
> 
> Michel
> 
> 
> =
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>  -- Linus Torvalds
> 
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Re: newbie needs help veiwing files

[Paul Huygen]

Quoting Michel Dänzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> 
> 
> --- DOUGLAS HUNTER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > When I'm in bash and trying to ls large files I can only see the last 
> > part of the file due to it scrolling past too fast.
> > Is there a command to insert that means I can veiw the output page by
> > page and change pages when I want to ?
> 
> ls | more
> 
> The pipe ('|') feeds stdout from the first command into stdin of the second
> one.

Sorry to drop in without having read the original message. In my opinion "more"
is an outdated command. "more" divides the file to be displayed into 
screenfull's, and displays them one screen after another. Program as "less", " 
zless" or "most" enable you to scroll through the file to be read. In other 
words, you can go up and down, instead of only down. Thus, if you want to look 
what files you have in a directory with many files, you can do:

  ls |less

If you want to read a large file with text, you can do:

  less file.txt




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Re: newbie needs help veiwing files

[Dänzer]

--- DOUGLAS HUNTER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I'm in bash and trying to ls large files I can only see the last 
> part of the file due to it scrolling past too fast.
> Is there a command to insert that means I can veiw the output page by
> page and change pages when I want to ?

ls | more

The pipe ('|') feeds stdout from the first command into stdin of the second
one.


> I've also got a problem with GNOME in that the screen only partially 
> fits onto my monitor any idea where I can find the config file for this?

/etc/X11/XF86Config

Reverse the order of the modes in the appropriate Screen Section towards the
end of the file.


Michel


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newbie needs help veiwing files

[DOUGLAS HUNTER]

When I'm in bash and trying to ls large files I can only see the last 
part of the file due to it scrolling past too fast.Is there a command to 
insert that means I can veiw the output page bypage and change pages when I 
want to ?I've also got a problem with GNOME in that the screen only 
partially fits onto my monitor any idea where I can find the config file for 
this?Thanks in 
advance 
  Douglas 
Hunter

Re: Newbie needs help :-)

[Francois Deppierraz]

Armin Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> But - ofcourse - problems appearing at once:
> At the mo, my main-prob is, that kde says upon start, that
> it cannot connct to xserver. hu ? under dselect there are

Can you tell us the entire error message ?

> Where can i find (despite the debian.org) informations for
> newbies (mainly how to install and configure the system
> correctly) ? Is it worth to buy a debian book? 

The Debian Tutorial is quite interesting


You can have a look at www.linux.com, a very interesting site.

-- 

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http://www.ctrlaltdel.ch
ICQ: 176 770 09

Newbie needs help :-)

[Armin Steiner]

Dear friends,

i am brandnew to Unix, and followed an advise, that debian is
the best unix-distribution to get. so i did. Erased this windows
things from my old computer and put debian on it :-)

But - ofcourse - problems appearing at once:
At the mo, my main-prob is, that kde says upon start, that
it cannot connct to xserver. hu ? under dselect there are
no conlict shown ... I know, there is so much too ask when
someone is new to unix, but maybe you can help me with
this question and the following:
Where can i find (despite the debian.org) informations for
newbies (mainly how to install and configure the system
correctly) ? Is it worth to buy a debian book? 


Ok, sorry for stupid questions,

with best regards,

-Armin

Re: Newbie needs help on X win!!!

[John Foster]

Tam Ma wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> more on X window info.
> 
> I am install from cdrom.
---
1. use dselect as your installer.
2. set dselect to use apt as the file aquisition method from menue 1.
3. when setting up apt select file as the storage method an point
thefinder toward your cdrom.
4. update the packages lists by selecting menue 2
5. select menue 3 "select programs" hit the / key, it will pop up
a   
   command line for searching; enter xfree86-comm; select this
forinstallation, and read the specs
6. installing this will set up most of the files and settle
the   dependencies for the x windows system
7. read the xwindow docs in /usr/docs/xfree86

good luck!

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Re: Newbie needs help on X win!!!

[Tam Ma]

hi,

more on X window info.

I am install from cdrom.

Thanx,
Tam

On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, John Foster wrote:

> Tam Ma wrote:
> >
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I just install "slink" and all of the packages that I need. Now I want
> > installl X window but I don't know which packages to install. Can you guys
> > give me a list of packages I should Install to get X window working. I
> > don't want anything fancy yet, right now I just want ordinary X window and
> > maybe with file manager like Gnome or something.
> >
> > Thanx so much.
> >
> > Tam Ma
> ---
> How are you doing the installation? Floppy disks, CDRom, FTP/HTTP from
> the internet?
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> AdVance-Computing Systems
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>

Re: Newbie needs help on X win!!!

[John Foster]

Tam Ma wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> I just install "slink" and all of the packages that I need. Now I want
> installl X window but I don't know which packages to install. Can you guys
> give me a list of packages I should Install to get X window working. I
> don't want anything fancy yet, right now I just want ordinary X window and
> maybe with file manager like Gnome or something.
> 
> Thanx so much.
> 
> Tam Ma
---
How are you doing the installation? Floppy disks, CDRom, FTP/HTTP from
the internet?
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Re: Newbie needs help on X win!!!

[Adrian Thompson]

Hello,  Depending on what graphics card you have, install the required Xserver. 
 ie.
XF86_SVGA.  < that one is very generic to most graphic card types.  Install 
all
the bins and then the rest is up to you... like apps and games.

You will be required to configure a script called "/etc/XF86Config," but there 
are
programs that will do that for you like the /usr/X11R6/bin/xf86config bin.  Be 
ready
to input your monitor vertical and horizontal sync rates (GET IT RIGHT) and
information on your graphics card.  ie. vid RAM and clocks.  The xf86config 
program
will prob for clocks for you.  I'm not going to write a novel, but I hope that 
helps.
:)

-=Adrian=-

Tam Ma wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I just install "slink" and all of the packages that I need. Now I want
> installl X window but I don't know which packages to install. Can you guys
> give me a list of packages I should Install to get X window working. I
> don't want anything fancy yet, right now I just want ordinary X window and
> maybe with file manager like Gnome or something.
>
> Thanx so much.
>
> Tam Ma
>
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Re: Newbie needs help on X win!!!

[j way]

> I just install "slink" and all of the packages that I need. Now I want
> installl X window but I don't know which packages to install. Can you guys
> give me a list of packages I should Install to get X window working. I
> don't want anything fancy yet, right now I just want ordinary X window and
> maybe with file manager like Gnome or something.
>

If you look in "Packages" for xbase or xbase-clients,
you will see a list of dependencies.  You will also need
a monitor driver (vga or svga or something).  If you install these
with dselect, other dependencies may arise.  Satisfy them as they
come up.  Some of the packages listed in xbase are:
rstart, rstartd, twm, xbase-clients, xdm, xfree86-common, xfs,
xlib6g, xlib6g-dev, xmh, xproxy, xserver-common, xsm & xterm.
When you get it running, you may purge xbase.
Stay with it, X is a great system. -jw

Newbie needs help on X win!!!

[Tam Ma]

Hi guys,

Hi guys,

I just install "slink" and all of the packages that I need. Now I want
installl X window but I don't know which packages to install. Can you guys
give me a list of packages I should Install to get X window working. I
don't want anything fancy yet, right now I just want ordinary X window and
maybe with file manager like Gnome or something.

Thanx so much.

Tam Ma

Re: Newbie needs Help!

[David Blackman]

I just looked in the CDROM HOWTO:
that's not what teh device should be:
you must go int /dev
then ( as root) type mknod /dev/sbpcd b 25 0

also, in /etc/fstab, it's /dev/sbpcd, no partition number, it's a cdrom.

make the devie, then try to install the module.

for Howtos goto www.metalab.unc.edu/Linux

got it?

--dave


> Hi everyone,
> 
> I didn't get much responses the last time I post this message, but
> probably because the people who know about this problem didn't have chance
> to read this. Anyhow I post this message up again and hopefully there will
> be someone out there who know how to solve this problem. (I am really
> anxious to install the rest of the packages so please help :) )
> 
> 
> Ok, here is my problem. I just install "slink" yesterday using the
> floppies method because I can't boot from my Matsushita/Panasonic CR-563
> CDROM. So I install the base system using the floppy set and everything
> went great. I got the base system installed, YES Anyway, the problem
> lies when I try to mount my CDROM and here is what I did:
> 
>   First, I added a line in my /etc/fstab file. The line is
>   /dev/sbpcd /cdrom iso9660 noauto,ro,user
> and then I try to mount it like this
>   mount /cdrom
> but it gives a this message
>   special device /dev/sbpcd is not found (something like this)
> 
> I don't know what's wrong, so I modify my /etc/fstab file again
>   using this line this time
>   /dev/sbpcd0 /cdrom iso9660 noauto,ro,user
> but it still gives me the same message.
> 
> I couldn't figure out what's wrong so I uses "modconf" to remove the sbpcd
> driver that I've install and then reinstall it, and still it doesn't work.
> It gives me the same message when I try to mount it.
> 
> I think you guys should know these information;
>   When I install the module, it gives me this message
>  sbpcd-0 [11]:Drive 0(ID=0); CR-563 (0.81) at 0x340 (type 0)
>  
> and then it tells me to do something with the sbpcd.h file...It
>   also tell me to look up linus/documentation/cdrom/sbpcd to information
>   but I couldn't find that directory on my base system so can anyone
>   tell my where i can read it on-line??
> 
>   When I look the /dev directory, I see cdrom as a link to sbpcd and
>   I also see a bpcd(don't what this is ).
> 
> That's all folks. If anyone can help, please do. I appreciate it.
> 
> Thanks everyone.
> Tam Ma
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 
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Newbie needs Help!

[Tam Ma]

Hi everyone,

I didn't get much responses the last time I post this message, but
probably because the people who know about this problem didn't have chance
to read this. Anyhow I post this message up again and hopefully there will
be someone out there who know how to solve this problem. (I am really
anxious to install the rest of the packages so please help :) )


Ok, here is my problem. I just install "slink" yesterday using the
floppies method because I can't boot from my Matsushita/Panasonic CR-563
CDROM. So I install the base system using the floppy set and everything
went great. I got the base system installed, YES Anyway, the problem
lies when I try to mount my CDROM and here is what I did:

First, I added a line in my /etc/fstab file. The line is
  /dev/sbpcd /cdrom iso9660 noauto,ro,user
and then I try to mount it like this
  mount /cdrom
but it gives a this message
  special device /dev/sbpcd is not found (something like this)

I don't know what's wrong, so I modify my /etc/fstab file again
using this line this time
  /dev/sbpcd0 /cdrom iso9660 noauto,ro,user
but it still gives me the same message.

I couldn't figure out what's wrong so I uses "modconf" to remove the sbpcd
driver that I've install and then reinstall it, and still it doesn't work.
It gives me the same message when I try to mount it.

I think you guys should know these information;
When I install the module, it gives me this message
 sbpcd-0 [11]:Drive 0(ID=0); CR-563 (0.81) at 0x340 (type 0)
 
and then it tells me to do something with the sbpcd.h file...It
also tell me to look up linus/documentation/cdrom/sbpcd to information
but I couldn't find that directory on my base system so can anyone
tell my where i can read it on-line??

When I look the /dev directory, I see cdrom as a link to sbpcd and
I also see a bpcd(don't what this is ).

That's all folks. If anyone can help, please do. I appreciate it.

Thanks everyone.
Tam Ma
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Newbie needs help with installation

[Romeu]

Is the cd-rom attached to the sound card? There's a few trouble about it. I had 
to put
mines at the onboard secondary IDE, since I have Win95, Windows NT and Linux on 
the
same machine.
NT does not recognize a CD-ROM at the sound card. I think there's a way to do 
so in
Linux - Don't know how (I'm a newbie, too). I suggest you to put the CD-ROM at 
the
onboard IDE and make the installation. You should let it there, unless you have
trouble with win95 (I have it - I just can read thru the 16 bit driver).


Gerhard S. Neugschwandtner escreveu:

> I have a 486DX 50Mhz with 8MB Ram. I tried to install Debian 2.1,
> with two boot floppies (Resc1440, Drv1440). The installation-routine
> cannot mount the prop. CD-Rom (SoundBlaster) successful. By configure
> the sbpcd Module i get following message:
>
> eval: 1: Syntax error: EOF in backquote substitution
>
> script: cd /dev && rm -f cdrom && ln -s sbpcd0 cdrom
> eval: 1: Syntax error: EOF in backquote substitution
>
> Installation succeeded
>
> Can anyone tell me what this means???
> Please help a Linux newbie to get his system.
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Newbie needs help with installation

[Gerhard S. Neugschwandtner]

I have a 486DX 50Mhz with 8MB Ram. I tried to install Debian 2.1,
with two boot floppies (Resc1440, Drv1440). The installation-routine
cannot mount the prop. CD-Rom (SoundBlaster) successful. By configure
the sbpcd Module i get following message:


eval: 1: Syntax error: EOF in backquote substitution

script: cd /dev && rm -f cdrom && ln -s sbpcd0 cdrom
eval: 1: Syntax error: EOF in backquote substitution

Installation succeeded


Can anyone tell me what this means???
Please help a Linux newbie to get his system.


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Re: Updating the system - Debian newbie needs help

[Matthew Dalton]

Didi Damian wrote:
> Maybe fixing LILO to boot both sytems would work too but I never tried it. 
> Alternatively,
> you could boot one of the systems from floppy. 

I boot 3 different linux partitions (Slackware, RH5.2 and Debian 2.1)
and Win95 from LILO. It's a bit of a hack... I used the LILO on the
RH5.2 partition to manage everything. I first mounted the slackware and
debian partitions somewhere in my RH tree. The lilo.conf wants to know
the location of the kernels for each partition on that partition, so I
stuck symlinks into the RH tree to the kernels on the mounted slack and
debian partitions in the places where the kernels would be if the
slack/debian partion was mounted on root. A diagram:

In my debian partition:
/boot/slink-2.0.36 is the kernel
In my slackware partition:
/vmlinuz is the kernel

In the RH partition I have the following symlinks:

/boot/slink-2.0.36 -> /mnt/linux/debian/boot/slink-2.0.36
/vmlinuz -> /mnt/linux/slack/vmlinuz

(assuming /mnt/linux/debian and /mnt/linux/slack as the mount points)

Then in the lilo.conf for the RH partition I have:
for debian: /boot/slink-2.0.36
for slackware: /vmlinuz

With the symlinks in place and all partitions mounted, LILO can find the
kernels as required. Since the paths are correct for each individual
partition, LILO will be able to find the kernels it needs when you
select a particular partition at boot up.

Have fun!
Matthew

Re: Updating the system - Debian newbie needs help

[Didi Damian]

I recently switched from SuSE 6.1 to Debian potato and I'm really happy. I like 
my
Debian system more and more every day.

I applied this distribution-switch strategy: free up a partition from SuSE and 
take it
out from fstab to become your new root partition, download the install floppy 
image 
and make a boot floppy, download
the base package plus what else you need to get you on the net and let you get 
the rest.
In my case they were the base package, data-dumper, dpkg-ftp, perl and 
drv1440.bin which you already 
got when you made the floppy. I downloaded all these to a regular SuSE 
partition and 
then booted off the floppy and chose 'install from HD".
Then I installed a minimal system by ftp and used BootMagic to let me boot both 
systems.
Maybe fixing LILO to boot both sytems would work too but I never tried it. 
Alternatively,
you could boot one of the systems from floppy. Finally, I started porting my 
configurations
from SuSE to Debian by temporarily mounting various SuSE partitions. Some might 
argue
that archiving /etc and various other parts is enough but I always seem to 
leave stuff
behind when I switch distros. Luckily, it looks like the days of switching are 
over :).

I think now that even better would be to get the apt stuff first and use apt as 
retrieval
method in dselect.

One final piece of advice: If you have your mind set on switching, uninstall 
all 
non-essential packages from SuSE first and resize/combine as much as possible 
off your
SuSE partitions. Then start your new Debian system with all the partitions that 
you would 
want already created and mounted. It took me quite a bit of juggling to go from 
a
one root partition Debian on /dev/hda 10 to my usual 4-5 partitions setup.

Good LucK ! and I'm sure you won't be dissapointed.

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> 
> Peter Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > 
> > On 01-Jul-1999, Carley, Jason Australia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi guys,
> > > 
> > > I am considering switching over from SuSE 6.1 to Debian. I guess I am an
> 
>  Ok, but I hope you don't misunderstand that you can't upgrade your SuSE 
> system
> directly with Debian, but have to install it from scratch, renewing or
> manually updating the configuration.
>  Secondly, the recommended way for staying in touch with the latest stable
> version is rather like (exchange with your next debian mirror)
> 
> ---/etc/apt/sources.list
> # Next online mirror
> deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free non-US
> # Proposed updates
> deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian dists/proposed-updates/
> ---
> 
>  Using other sources means not having a stable debian version.
> 
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Re: Updating the system - Debian newbie needs help

[Stephan A Suerken]

Peter Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> On 01-Jul-1999, Carley, Jason Australia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> > 
> > I am considering switching over from SuSE 6.1 to Debian. I guess I am an

 Ok, but I hope you don't misunderstand that you can't upgrade your SuSE system
directly with Debian, but have to install it from scratch, renewing or
manually updating the configuration.
 Secondly, the recommended way for staying in touch with the latest stable
version is rather like (exchange with your next debian mirror)

---/etc/apt/sources.list
# Next online mirror
deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free non-US
# Proposed updates
deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian dists/proposed-updates/
---

 Using other sources means not having a stable debian version.

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Re: Updating the system - Debian newbie needs help

[Peter Ross]

On 01-Jul-1999, Carley, Jason Australia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> I am considering switching over from SuSE 6.1 to Debian. I guess I am an
> average linux user but I am not really familiar with Debian's way of doing
> things. I am concerned to understand the process that I will need to go
> through to update things like my XFree installation to 3.3.3 as I have a
> RivaTNT card. As well as general packages before I make the jump across.
> 
> I have been reading up on all of the packages and install tools but I don't
> really "get" it yet. Could someone please send me a brief run through on how
> to get the system up-to-date and how to keep it there.
> 

To install debian I can only recommend that you read the release notes.

http://www.au.debian.org/releases/slink/i386/install

The most convenient way to upgrade packages using debian is to use the
utility apt.  Once you have dselect installed choose apt as your access
method.

I have attached my /etc/apt/sources.list file.

It attempts to install it packages from the cdrom distribution first.
However if a newer version of the package is available at
ftp.monash.edu.au (my local mirror) it will get the package from there
and so on.

The final two lines are for Xfree86 3.3.3.1 and gnome 1.0
These are not officially supported Debian packages, but show the power
of apt to select the most recent version of a package available.

Cheers,
Pete.
# Use for a local mirror - remove the ftp1 http lines for the bits
# your mirror contains.
# deb file:/your/mirror/here/debian stable main contrib non-free
# See sources.list(5) for more information, especial
# Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs

# The slink CD's
#deb file://cdwriter/debian stable main contrib non-free non-US
#deb file://mnt/princess/root/cdrom/debian stable main contrib non-free non-US
#deb file://mnt/dogbert/root/cdrom/debian stable main contrib non-free non-US
deb "cdrom:'Debian 2.1r2 Disk 1'/" debian/dists/frozen/contrib/binary-i386/
deb "cdrom:'Debian 2.1r2 Disk 1'/" debian/dists/frozen/main/binary-i386/
deb "cdrom:'Debian 2.1r2 Disk 1'/" debian/dists/frozen/non-US/binary-i386/
deb "cdrom:'Debian 2.1r2 Disk 1'/" debian/dists/frozen/non-free/binary-i386/
deb "cdrom:'Debian 2.1r2 Disk 2'/" debian/dists/frozen/contrib/binary-i386/
deb "cdrom:'Debian 2.1r2 Disk 2'/" debian/dists/frozen/main/binary-i386/
deb "cdrom:'Debian 2.1r2 Disk 2'/" debian/dists/frozen/non-US/binary-i386/
deb "cdrom:'Debian 2.1r2 Disk 2'/" debian/dists/frozen/non-free/binary-i386/
deb "cdrom:Debian 2.1r2 Disk 5/" debian/dists/frozen/contrib/binary-i386/
deb "cdrom:Debian 2.1r2 Disk 5/" debian/dists/frozen/main/binary-i386/
deb "cdrom:Debian 2.1r2 Disk 5/" debian/dists/frozen/non-US/binary-i386/
deb "cdrom:Debian 2.1r2 Disk 5/" debian/dists/frozen/non-free/binary-i386/

# The stable dist at monash
deb http://ftp.monash.edu.au/pub/linux/distributions/debian stable main
deb http://ftp.monash.edu.au/pub/linux/distributions/debian stable contrib
deb http://ftp.monash.edu.au/pub/linux/distributions/debian stable non-free
deb http://ftp.monash.edu.au/pub/linux/distributions/debian-non-US stable non-US

# upgraded X and apt
deb http://ftp.netgod.net/ x/

# gnome 1.0
deb ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/gnome/gnome-1.0/debian slink main

Updating the system - Debian newbie needs help

[Carley, Jason \(Australia\)]

Hi guys,

I am considering switching over from SuSE 6.1 to Debian. I guess I am an
average linux user but I am not really familiar with Debian's way of doing
things. I am concerned to understand the process that I will need to go
through to update things like my XFree installation to 3.3.3 as I have a
RivaTNT card. As well as general packages before I make the jump across.

I have been reading up on all of the packages and install tools but I don't
really "get" it yet. Could someone please send me a brief run through on how
to get the system up-to-date and how to keep it there.

Thanks,

Jason.

Re: Linux newbie needs help

[Torsten Hilbrich]

On: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 00:10:52 AST Jeff Browning writes:
> 
> Thanks but when I dpkg the .deb file, it says qt1g depends on xlib6g. 
> Where could I get that? Thanks.

Do you still have a bo Debian box or a hamm/slink one?  xlib6g is the
libc6 version of the X11 libraries (the according package in bo is
xlib6).

If you have a bo version you should install a qt1 package (without the
suffix g) or update to hamm where you will get the xlib6g package.

Torsten

Re: Linux newbie needs help

[Olafur Jens Sigurdsson]

Þann 04. desember 1998 reit Jiri Baum svohljóðandi:
> Hello,
> 
> Jeff wrote:
> > Thanks but when I dpkg the .deb file, it says qt1g depends on xlib6g. 
> > Where could I get that? Thanks.
> 
> Same place as the first .deb file, in the directory main/x11.
> 
> Actually, if you don't have xlib6g, that most likely means you are missing
> most or all of X11, too.
> 
Seems like Jeff is having the same problem as im having. I have xlib6g on 
my Debian but i cant install qt1g couse my xlib6g is of an older version 
(i installed the version x.3.xx something but qt1g needs x.5.xx something 
i think) so be aware what version of xlib6g your downloading.

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Re: Linux newbie needs help

[Jiri Baum]

Hello,

Jeff wrote:
> Thanks but when I dpkg the .deb file, it says qt1g depends on xlib6g. 
> Where could I get that? Thanks.

Same place as the first .deb file, in the directory main/x11.

Actually, if you don't have xlib6g, that most likely means you are missing
most or all of X11, too.


If you are connecting to the Internet directly from your Debian box, it's
probably easiest to point dselect at the ftp site (read the guide carefully),
select what you want and then let it automatically download everything it
thinks it needs.

However, if you only have an ordinary modem, this will take quite a while - it
may be better to buy, beg or borrow a CD.

Otherwise, if you want to keep on with dpkg, someone else already pointed you
to www.debian.org - on the pages listing the packages, each page has links for
related packages. Here's what the words mean: "Depends" - you need to have
this other package "Recommends" - you probably need to have this other package
"Suggests" - you might want to have this other package

Note that dpkg won't let you install any packages that have a "Depends" until
you get the other package, too.


HTH

Jiri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Newbie needs help

[Jiri Baum]

Hello,

Firstly, I'm not sure which way you'll want to go, so please don't hesitate to
ask me for more details on some point that I skim over...

> The install worked fine (minus I can't boot from the HD).

I don't have any experience with this, but the most common response I've seen
to this problem is: have you re-run lilo?

> I'm having problems with the FTP.  The modem connects fine to my ISP
> (i'm using ppp) but when I try to open a site I get "unable to look up
> host" error.

Have you tried to ftp by IP number?

> Also I have no clue how to install the software packages. 

Probably easiest to get FTP working first, and then tell dselect to use the
ftp access method. That way it'll do everything for you.

> I tried to download to floppy and then transfer over (which is a problem
> since my zip program doesn't do a split) and then run DSELECT.  When I
> choose the floppy access method, it says to enter the floppy with the
> packages file. 

The Packages file is a list of all the packages.

Since you only downloaded an individual deb, it's probably easier to do it
manually. Mount the floppy

  mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt

and then install the packages with dpkg

  dpkg -i /mnt/*.deb

Don't forget to unmount the floppy afterwards

  umount /mnt

Note that if dpkg complains about a missing dependency, it means it *hasn't*
installed that package (so don't delete it yet).


You can switch between using dselect and using dpkg as you wish - so you can
use dselect for ordinary stuff, but dpkg when there's something special (like
broken ftp, or if you need to use force).

Jiri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Linux newbie needs help

[MallarJ]

I'd suggest you read over the GCC-HOWTO... But the gcc compiler can be found
at:

ftp://ftp.debian.org/net/ac121/linux/distributions/debian/hamm/hamm/binary-
i386/devel

-Jay 

In a message dated 12/3/98 1:59:33 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> 
>  Uh, help. Where can I get a C-Compiler?
>  

Re: Linux newbie needs help

[Jiri Baum]

Hello,

> Just successfully installed my first linux box with no problems. Now I want
> to install KDE.

If you are using Debian, you need to install it the Debian Way...

Most of KDE is in the contrib, X11, extra section. If you select it with
dselect or apt, it'll automatically download whatever else you need (Qt
library, JPEG library, etc). So you shouldn't need to worry about it.

If you are doing it manually with dpkg, it'll tell you what's missing and you
have to go get it yourself before it'll let you go on.

> In the KDE install guide, it says that I need the Qt library.

The Qt library is in the qt1g package (non-free, libraries, optional). If you
install via dselect or apt, you don't need to worry about it.

> I downloaded Qt, untar-ed it. When I type ./configure (like 
> it says to do in INSTALL) it says: 
...
> Uh, help. Where can I get a C-Compiler?

It's called gcc, and Debian has it in the main, devel, standard section.
However, you don't need it for installing packages from Debian, because
they're all available pre-compiled.

> One more thing. Are there any free POP3 clients for Linux?

Yes.

In Unix the mail system is standardized, so you'll need several parts: a POP
fetcher (such as "fetchmail"), a user program (such as "mutt" or "elm" or
"pine" or whatever) and a program for general mail delivery, such as "exim".

All these are available within Debian.

The setup is like this:

   outside world
  |  ^
  |  |
  v  |
  fetchmail  /
  | / 
  |/
  v   /
mutt  <--->  exim

Terminology you'll see elsewhere:
  exim is a Mail Transport Agent (MTA)
  mutt is a Mail User Agent (MUA)


HTH

Jiri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

RE: Linux newbie needs help

[Person, Roderick]

That would be in the X11 directory.
If you goto www.debian .org follow the debian package links.
When you choose a package this way it will list all dependent and recommend
packages. This is the simplest I know to check out dependences.

Rod..

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From:  Jeff Browning
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:  Thursday, December 03, 1998 7:11 PM
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:  debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:  RE: Linux newbie needs help

Thanks but when I dpkg the .deb file, it says qt1g
depends on xlib6g. 
Where could I get that? Thanks.

Jeff

>From: "Person, Roderick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 'Jeff Browning' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        >Subject: RE: Linux newbie needs help
>Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:02:56 -0500
>
>   I meant the .deb  for the qt1 libs,
that way you need not
>compile it.  
>   --
>   From:  Person,
Roderick
>   Sent:  Thursday,
December 03, 1998 3:02 PM
>   To:  'Jeff Browning'
        >   Subject:  RE: Linux
newbie needs help
>
>   You can get the .deb
from Debian.org under
>the /non-free directory.
>
>   ftp.debian.org
>
>   --
>   From:  Jeff Browning
>[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Sent:  Thursday,
December 03, 1998 5:58 PM
>   To:
debian-user@lists.debian.org
>   Subject:  Linux
newbie needs help
>
>   Hey all,
>
>   Just successfully
installed my first linux
>box with no problems. Now I 
>   want to install KDE.
In the KDE install
>guide, it says that I need the 
>   Qt library. I
downloaded Qt, untar-ed it.
>When I type ./configure (like 
>   it says to do in
INSTALL) it says: 
>
>   "Checking for a
C-Compiler...
>   checking for gcc...
no
>   checking for cc...
no
>   checking for xlc...
no
>   configure: error: no
acceptable cc fount in
>$PATH"
>
>   Uh, help. Where can
I get a C-Compiler?
>
>   One more thing. Are
there any free POP3
>clients for Linux?
>
>   Thanx in advance.
>
>   Jeff
>
>
>   

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RE: Linux newbie needs help

[Jeff Browning]

Thanks but when I dpkg the .deb file, it says qt1g depends on xlib6g. 
Where could I get that? Thanks.

Jeff

>From: "Person, Roderick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 'Jeff Browning' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: Linux newbie needs help
>Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:02:56 -0500
>
>   I meant the .deb  for the qt1 libs, that way you need not
>compile it.  
>   --
>   From:  Person, Roderick
>   Sent:  Thursday, December 03, 1998 3:02 PM
>   To:  'Jeff Browning'
>   Subject:  RE: Linux newbie needs help
>
>   You can get the .deb from Debian.org under
>the /non-free directory.
>
>   ftp.debian.org
>
>   --
>   From:  Jeff Browning
>[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Sent:  Thursday, December 03, 1998 5:58 PM
>       To:  debian-user@lists.debian.org
>   Subject:  Linux newbie needs help
>
>   Hey all,
>
>   Just successfully installed my first linux
>box with no problems. Now I 
>   want to install KDE. In the KDE install
>guide, it says that I need the 
>   Qt library. I downloaded Qt, untar-ed it.
>When I type ./configure (like 
>   it says to do in INSTALL) it says: 
>
>   "Checking for a C-Compiler...
>   checking for gcc... no
>   checking for cc... no
>   checking for xlc... no
>   configure: error: no acceptable cc fount in
>$PATH"
>
>   Uh, help. Where can I get a C-Compiler?
>
>   One more thing. Are there any free POP3
>clients for Linux?
>
>   Thanx in advance.
>
>   Jeff
>
>
>   
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Linux newbie needs help

[Jeff Browning]

Hey all,

Just successfully installed my first linux box with no problems. Now I 
want to install KDE. In the KDE install guide, it says that I need the 
Qt library. I downloaded Qt, untar-ed it. When I type ./configure (like 
it says to do in INSTALL) it says: 

"Checking for a C-Compiler...
checking for gcc... no
checking for cc... no
checking for xlc... no
configure: error: no acceptable cc fount in $PATH"

Uh, help. Where can I get a C-Compiler?

One more thing. Are there any free POP3 clients for Linux?

Thanx in advance.

Jeff


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Re: Newbie needs help

[Michael Beattie]

On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> host" error.  Also I have no clue how to install the software packages. 
> I tried to download to floppy and then transfer over (which is a problem
> since my zip program doesn't do a split)
> and then run DSELECT.  When I choose the floppy access method, it says
> to enter the floppy with the packages file.  I put in the disk that has
> the downloaded file on it but it does not except it.  Any help with
> getting this going would be great.

The "Packages" file is not the file you think it is. Instead, it is found
in the root of each binary-arch hierachy on the FTP site. Is contains Info
on all the available packages in each release of Debian Linux
(hamm/slink/potato/whatever) I would recommend you wait until you get FTP
going, or use a Debian CD, which you could get for $2-3 I think in the US
from somewhere such as CheapBytes, or LSL. (www.cheapbytes.com -
www.lsl.com - I think, offhand.) The floppy method, although I have not
tried it, does not sound appealing. You could use instead,
 `dpkg -i .deb` to install each package manually.


> The computer is a PC clone 386, 16M Ram, 1.44 and 1.2 disc drives, 500M
> hd, 33.6 modem. No CDROM.  Thanks alot.

I see no problems with that, although a 4x CDROM drive would be helpful,
if you got yourself a Debian CD.


HTH,
   Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

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Re: Newbie needs help

[Lee Bradshaw]

On Mon, Nov 30, 1998 at 05:15:31PM -0500, Mitch Blevins wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Hi all.  I've just recently installed the Debian sytem on an old 386. 
> > It is the only OS on the computer.  The install worked fine (minus I
> > can't boot from the HD).
> > I'm having problems with the FTP.  The modem connects fine to my ISP
> > (i'm using ppp) but when I try to open a site I get "unable to look up
> > host" error.  Also I have no clue how to install the software packages. 
> > I tried to download to floppy and then transfer over (which is a problem
> > since my zip program doesn't do a split)
> > and then run DSELECT.  When I choose the floppy access method, it says
> > to enter the floppy with the packages file.  I put in the disk that has
> > the downloaded file on it but it does not except it.  Any help with
> > getting this going would be great.
> > The computer is a PC clone 386, 16M Ram, 1.44 and 1.2 disc drives, 500M
> > hd, 33.6 modem. No CDROM.  Thanks alot.
> 
> hmmm... sounds like you're not resolving names correctly.
> You should have been given two numbers from your ISP called
> DNS Nameserver (primary and secondary).
> Add these numbers to your /etc/resolv.conf file.
> 
> The file should look like this
> 
> ### /etc/resolv.conf #
> search localdomain
> nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
> nameserver yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy
> 

Your isp may tell you that you don't need the nameserver ip addresses
(they are commonly provided by ppp to windows machines.) Here are the
nameservers for capital.net:

   freefall ~ $ nslookup
   Default Server:  localhost
   Address:  127.0.0.1
   
   > set type=NS
   > capital.net
   Server:  localhost
   Address:  127.0.0.1
   
   Non-authoritative answer:
   capital.net nameserver = NS1.LOGICAL.NET
   capital.net nameserver = NS2.LOGICAL.NET
   capital.net nameserver = NS3.LOGICAL.NET
   capital.net nameserver = capital.net
   
   Authoritative answers can be found from:
   NS1.LOGICAL.NET internet address = 204.97.128.2
   NS2.LOGICAL.NET internet address = 204.97.128.4
   NS3.LOGICAL.NET internet address = 204.97.128.6
   capital.net internet address = 204.97.168.17
   > 


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Re: Newbie needs help

[Mitch Blevins]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi all.  I've just recently installed the Debian sytem on an old 386. 
> It is the only OS on the computer.  The install worked fine (minus I
> can't boot from the HD).
> I'm having problems with the FTP.  The modem connects fine to my ISP
> (i'm using ppp) but when I try to open a site I get "unable to look up
> host" error.  Also I have no clue how to install the software packages. 
> I tried to download to floppy and then transfer over (which is a problem
> since my zip program doesn't do a split)
> and then run DSELECT.  When I choose the floppy access method, it says
> to enter the floppy with the packages file.  I put in the disk that has
> the downloaded file on it but it does not except it.  Any help with
> getting this going would be great.
> The computer is a PC clone 386, 16M Ram, 1.44 and 1.2 disc drives, 500M
> hd, 33.6 modem. No CDROM.  Thanks alot.

hmmm... sounds like you're not resolving names correctly.
You should have been given two numbers from your ISP called
DNS Nameserver (primary and secondary).
Add these numbers to your /etc/resolv.conf file.

The file should look like this

### /etc/resolv.conf #
search localdomain
nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
nameserver yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy

##

Where localdomain is the local domainname you gave when you installed
Debian.  The xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the number your ISP gave you as your
primary nameserver.  Similarly, the yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy is the number
the ISP gave you as the secondary nameserver.

See 'man resolv.conf' for more info.

-Mitch



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Newbie needs help

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hi all.  I've just recently installed the Debian sytem on an old 386. 
It is the only OS on the computer.  The install worked fine (minus I
can't boot from the HD).
I'm having problems with the FTP.  The modem connects fine to my ISP
(i'm using ppp) but when I try to open a site I get "unable to look up
host" error.  Also I have no clue how to install the software packages. 
I tried to download to floppy and then transfer over (which is a problem
since my zip program doesn't do a split)
and then run DSELECT.  When I choose the floppy access method, it says
to enter the floppy with the packages file.  I put in the disk that has
the downloaded file on it but it does not except it.  Any help with
getting this going would be great.
The computer is a PC clone 386, 16M Ram, 1.44 and 1.2 disc drives, 500M
hd, 33.6 modem. No CDROM.  Thanks alot.

Tom

Re: Newbie needs help connecting to isp

[Ed Cogburn]

Stephanie Bloodworth wrote:
> 
> I have recently installed the base distribution of hamm and ran
> pppconfig. Now when I run pon the modem dosn't dial. Two processes are
> created pppd and chat but I am not connected to my isp any help as to the
> cause of this problem would be appretiated.
> 


Check to file permissions and ownership of /etc/chatscript,
/etc/chatscript/provider, /etc/ppp/peers/provider.  This happend to me; if
pppd runs but nothing happens then the file permissions of the
/etc/chatscripts dir may be wrong.

10:17pm /home/ed\> d /etc
drwxr-x---   2 root dip  1024 Jun 13 16:58 chatscripts

10:17pm /home/ed\> d /etc/chatscripts/
-rw-r-   1 root dip   478 Jun 13 18:56 provider

10:18pm /home/ed\> d /etc/ppp/peers/  
-rw-r-   1 root dip   909 Jun  9 17:54 provider


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Ed


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