Re: Notebook Battery

2007-07-18 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
M-L wrote:
 On Tuesday 17 July 2007 19:19, koffiejunkie shared this with us all:
 --} Is there anything I can do to improve this, or this battery just on the
 --} way out?  I'm just bothered by the suddeness of this drop in battery
 --} life - it's been at about an hour for a good six months now, and stayed
 --} pretty stable.  Unless some of the cells just died.
 --}
 --} Thanks

[...]
 I have always found that to get the most out of the life of a laptop battery, 
 you have to run it right out, something that, I think, the latest windows 
 won't allow, till it just drops right out. This way there is no memory built 
 up, but when the battery finally does (*) really die. It's dead for ever. As 
 well you have to have a good filesystem like ext3 on the lappy, that will 
 recover from this kind of crash, and of course, manually save everything for 
 the last 3 minutes or so of battery life, and just play a game or something 
 till it crashes, with everything else shut down. The battery will then last 
 for years, or does in my case. I have to use laptops because we have solar 
 power, and have to husband our power and use it frugally.

This applies only to NiMH or NiCd batteries which were used in older
notebooks, as far as I know. A good reference is

Batteries in a Portable World. A handbook on rechargeable batteries for
non-engineers
http://www.buchmann.ca/
-- 
Regards,
Jörg-Volker.


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Re: Notebook Battery

2007-07-18 Thread koffiejunkie

Stefan Monnier wrote:

Given the specs of your battery (10.8V 4.8Ah, i.e. 51Wh), an autonomy of one
hour means your laptop consumes around 50W, which is a hell of a lot for
a laptop, unless you keep it constantly in stress test (with full CPU and
disk, and graphics card load).
So I'd guess that your battery's original lifetime is a good bit longer (at
least 2h), and that when it lasted an hour, it was already on its death bed.
  
You are spot on.  The original life was about 3:30 in normal use, but 
the motherboard died and since I got it back from HP (actually, it was 
the HP certified partner who fixed it), it's been about an hour.  In 
hindsight they probably swopped out the battery, since the notebook was 
only two months old at the time.  Anyway,  after sending the original 
mail I tried running it down a few times (used memtest86 so there's no 
OS involved) and recharging it, and each time the recharge and discharge 
times were shorter.  After three times it died completely.




Get a new one, or try refilling this one.
  

New one on order...

Thanks


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Re: Notebook Battery

2007-07-18 Thread koffiejunkie

Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:

Batteries in a Portable World. A handbook on rechargeable batteries for
non-engineers
http://www.buchmann.ca/
  


Great link, thanks!


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Notebook Battery

2007-07-17 Thread koffiejunkie

Hi guys,

I know the answer to this will probably hurt, but I thought I'd give it 
a shot in any case.  My notebook's battery life took a sudden drop from 
around an hour to about 15 minutes.   I is a 4800mAh battery.  Fully 
charged, I noticed this:


theluggage:/proc/acpi/battery/C17C# cat info state
present: yes
design capacity: 329 mAh
last full capacity:  329 mAh   
battery technology:  rechargeable
design voltage:  11100 mV
design capacity warning: 17 mAh
design capacity low: 4 mAh
capacity granularity 1:  100 mAh
capacity granularity 2:  100 mAh
model number:Primary
serial number:   02034 2005/10/14
battery type:LIon
OEM info:Hewlett-Packard
present: yes
capacity state:  ok
charging state:  charging
present rate:1620 mA
remaining capacity:  329 mAh   -
present voltage: 12463 mV
theluggage:/proc/acpi/battery/C17C#

Is there anything I can do to improve this, or this battery just on the 
way out?  I'm just bothered by the suddeness of this drop in battery 
life - it's been at about an hour for a good six months now, and stayed 
pretty stable.  Unless some of the cells just died.


Thanks


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Re: Notebook Battery

2007-07-17 Thread Stefan Monnier
 I know the answer to this will probably hurt, but I thought I'd give it
 a shot in any case.  My notebook's battery life took a sudden drop from
 around an hour to about 15 minutes.   I is a 4800mAh battery.

Given the specs of your battery (10.8V 4.8Ah, i.e. 51Wh), an autonomy of one
hour means your laptop consumes around 50W, which is a hell of a lot for
a laptop, unless you keep it constantly in stress test (with full CPU and
disk, and graphics card load).
So I'd guess that your battery's original lifetime is a good bit longer (at
least 2h), and that when it lasted an hour, it was already on its death bed.

 design capacity: 329 mAh

So even the design capacity has been changed, which looks rather odd.

 Is there anything I can do to improve this, or this battery just on the way
 out?

I think it's been dead for a while now.

 I'm just bothered by the suddeness of this drop in battery life - it's
 been at about an hour for a good six months now, and stayed pretty stable.
 Unless some of the cells just died.

Get a new one, or try refilling this one.


Stefan


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Re: Notebook Battery

2007-07-17 Thread M-L
On Tuesday 17 July 2007 19:19, koffiejunkie shared this with us all:
--} Is there anything I can do to improve this, or this battery just on the
--} way out?  I'm just bothered by the suddeness of this drop in battery
--} life - it's been at about an hour for a good six months now, and stayed
--} pretty stable.  Unless some of the cells just died.
--}
--} Thanks

If you're uncertain about the battery, I have resurrected a battery from a 
laptop by putting it in a plastic bag and into the freezer for about 4 - 5 
hours. then taking it out and recharging it fully. It came back to close 
enough to new and is still going strong.

But your mileage may vary, because a good deal depends on the battery and just 
how good it is, etc., etc.. The one I did was a Toshiba laptop battery from a 
lappy I had been given.

I have always found that to get the most out of the life of a laptop battery, 
you have to run it right out, something that, I think, the latest windows 
won't allow, till it just drops right out. This way there is no memory built 
up, but when the battery finally does (*) really die. It's dead for ever. As 
well you have to have a good filesystem like ext3 on the lappy, that will 
recover from this kind of crash, and of course, manually save everything for 
the last 3 minutes or so of battery life, and just play a game or something 
till it crashes, with everything else shut down. The battery will then last 
for years, or does in my case. I have to use laptops because we have solar 
power, and have to husband our power and use it frugally.

Hope that helps.
Charlie
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