Re: OT: Cycling: [was: [OT] A significant negative impact on Linux's popularity?]
Kent West wrote in Article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> On 16 Jul, Steve Lamb wrote: >> >>> William Pursell wrote: >>> If a cyclist is riding against the flow of traffic, >>> Am I the only one who grew up where the law was cyclists were to >>> ride against the flow of traffic? >>> >>> >> >> > I can't say I ever recall it being law, but I remember my grandparents > teaching me to walk against the flow of traffic, so that you can see the > driver and the driver can see you, and I grew up with the concept of > doing the same on a bike (I'm unsure if they taught me that, or if I > just made the cross-over in my own child's mind); this was back in the > 60's. I still see that as being the logical choice in some situations. I > also see the logic of going with the flow. Depends on the situation. What is the logic of driving a vehicle against traffic, again? Just because it's not motorized doesn't mean it doesn't need the horizontal clearance or is any more crash compatible in a head-on collision. Even on a bicycle, a rear-ender is considerably more survivable; I've been in both on a bicycle (once head on, went through a taxicab windshield after the moron ran a red left turn signal, another was a rearender by some dork with Californian plates. The head-on knocked me out and I'm damn lucky I more or less walked away from that one with minor injuries. The rear-ender just sat me on the hood. > But I'm not one to speak to the issue, as I'm not a rider; when I rode > as a kid, it was because it was the only mode of transportation, not > because I especially enjoyed riding. As an adult, I'm way too lazy to > rely on a bike. (*burp* pass me those chips, would ya?) Look at it this way: Bicycles are lazier than walking! :o) Seriously, though, childhood ignorance is not an excuse. If you can't be bothered to teach your kids how to ride properly, you shouldn't be teaching your kids how to ride at all. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Cycling: [was: [OT] A significant negative impact on Linux's popularity?]
On Wed, 2007-07-18 at 21:19 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 08:29:47AM +0200, Michael Dominok wrote: > > > > As for dedicated bicycle lanes, I've been very impressed by the ones in > > > Germany and Austria (usually half of the sidewalk). > > > > Well, it depends. If there's enough space and budget and will there > > might be usable bicycle lanes. But the average bicycle lane (in germany, > > western part) is a holey, hunchbacked, worn-out and neglected strip of > > asphalt which looks like it had no maintainance since the romans build > > it... > > I'll take that anytime instead of riding through the traffic in Romania. > (and I do NOT live in Bucharest, b ...) OK. I believe that. A friend of mine married a Romanian girl and regularly drives down there for holidays. It takes him about 10h to get to the Romanian border and about 20h to get to the place his wifes relatives live. The "fun" part is that he travels about 3 times the distance he does within Romania to get to the border... 8-) So if Romanias roads are _that_ bad for cars i guess they're a nightmare for cyclists. > I've heard stories that cyclists in Münster ride with stretched elbows > (very unfortunate for pedestrians walking to close to the bicycle lane). > Is that true? Not the last time a when i was there. Would be dangerous for the elbows too. Think of all the lampposts, parked cars or traffic-lights one could hit. Cheers Michael
Re: OT: Cycling: [was: [OT] A significant negative impact on Linux's popularity?]
On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 08:29:47AM +0200, Michael Dominok wrote: > > As for dedicated bicycle lanes, I've been very impressed by the ones in > > Germany and Austria (usually half of the sidewalk). > > Well, it depends. If there's enough space and budget and will there > might be usable bicycle lanes. But the average bicycle lane (in germany, > western part) is a holey, hunchbacked, worn-out and neglected strip of > asphalt which looks like it had no maintainance since the romans build > it... I'll take that anytime instead of riding through the traffic in Romania. (and I do NOT live in Bucharest, b ...) > ... unless you're living in a city dedicated to encouraging cycling. > e.g. Münster, home of Linus Gerdeman, our man (who has been) in > yellow. > 8-) I've heard stories that cyclists in Münster ride with stretched elbows (very unfortunate for pedestrians walking to close to the bicycle lane). Is that true? Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: Cycling: [was: [OT] A significant negative impact on Linux's popularity?]
Am Dienstag, den 17.07.2007, 21:43 +0300 schrieb Andrei Popescu: > This was, and AFAIK still is, the rule for walking on a road without a > sidewalk in Romania. Bicycles have to obey same rules as cars. Nonsense. Cyclists don't have to obey the law. 8-) Riding up one-way-lanes the wrong direction is a cyclists every-day-trip to mekka! > As for dedicated bicycle lanes, I've been very impressed by the ones in > Germany and Austria (usually half of the sidewalk). Well, it depends. If there's enough space and budget and will there might be usable bicycle lanes. But the average bicycle lane (in germany, western part) is a holey, hunchbacked, worn-out and neglected strip of asphalt which looks like it had no maintainance since the romans build it... ... unless you're living in a city dedicated to encouraging cycling. e.g. Münster, home of Linus Gerdeman, our man (who has been) in yellow. 8-) Cheers Michael
Re: OT: Cycling: [was: [OT] A significant negative impact on Linux's popularity?]
On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 09:42:39AM -0500, Kent West wrote: > I can't say I ever recall it being law, but I remember my grandparents > teaching me to walk against the flow of traffic, so that you can see the > driver and the driver can see you, and I grew up with the concept of doing This was, and AFAIK still is, the rule for walking on a road without a sidewalk in Romania. Bicycles have to obey same rules as cars. As for dedicated bicycle lanes, I've been very impressed by the ones in Germany and Austria (usually half of the sidewalk). Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
RE: OT: Cycling: [was: [OT] A significant negative impact on Linux's popularity?]
Hi All,Here in the UK, cyclists are treated the same as cars, trucks etc on the road and are subject to the same laws.This means they have to ride with the flow of traffic, stop at red lights, give way to pedestrians etc.Mind you, the roads are so dangerous for cyclists most just use the paths (illegal but not enforced :o)Cheers,Ade.> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:15:23 -0500> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: OT: Cycling: [was: [OT] A significant negative impact on Linux's popularity?]> > Kent West wrote: > > I can't say I ever recall it being law, but I remember my grandparents > > teaching me to walk against the flow of traffic, so that you can see > > the driver and the driver can see you, and I grew up with the concept > > of doing the same on a bike (I'm unsure if they taught me that, or if > > I just made the cross-over in my own child's mind); this was back in > > the 60's.> > btw, this was in rural (at the time) Texas (Hood County, Granbury, > Acton, Lipan area)> > -- > Kent> > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]> _ The next generation of MSN Hotmail has arrived - Windows Live Hotmail http://www.newhotmail.co.uk
Re: OT: Cycling: [was: [OT] A significant negative impact on Linux's popularity?]
Kent West wrote: I can't say I ever recall it being law, but I remember my grandparents teaching me to walk against the flow of traffic, so that you can see the driver and the driver can see you, and I grew up with the concept of doing the same on a bike (I'm unsure if they taught me that, or if I just made the cross-over in my own child's mind); this was back in the 60's. btw, this was in rural (at the time) Texas (Hood County, Granbury, Acton, Lipan area) -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Cycling: [was: [OT] A significant negative impact on Linux's popularity?]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16 Jul, Steve Lamb wrote: William Pursell wrote: If a cyclist is riding against the flow of traffic, Am I the only one who grew up where the law was cyclists were to ride against the flow of traffic? I can't say I ever recall it being law, but I remember my grandparents teaching me to walk against the flow of traffic, so that you can see the driver and the driver can see you, and I grew up with the concept of doing the same on a bike (I'm unsure if they taught me that, or if I just made the cross-over in my own child's mind); this was back in the 60's. I still see that as being the logical choice in some situations. I also see the logic of going with the flow. Depends on the situation. But I'm not one to speak to the issue, as I'm not a rider; when I rode as a kid, it was because it was the only mode of transportation, not because I especially enjoyed riding. As an adult, I'm way too lazy to rely on a bike. (*burp* pass me those chips, would ya?) -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
