Re: PPP install (was:nobody is running find at too high a priority)
On 13 Jul 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > A. M. Varon writes: > > Righto! linux treats you as a knowledgeable person, not some idiot who > > does'nt know how to use an OS. > > The truly knowledgeable person shares his knowledge. Why should we not > share our knowledge of how to configure ppp with new users? Do you want to > force them to go through some sort of silly rite of passage? So sorry that my response is not complete. You misquote me. If you look at the person i'm responding, He's comparing linux and win95. The OS that I'm referring above is win95. regards, =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Andre M. Varon Lasaltech, Incorported Technical Head Fax-Tel: (034)433-3520 e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] web page: http://www.lasaltech.com/andre.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PPP install (was:nobody is running find at too high a priority)
At 21:50 13/07/97 -0500, you wrote: >The truly knowledgeable person shares his knowledge. Why should we not >share our knowledge of how to configure ppp with new users? Do you want to >force them to go through some sort of silly rite of passage? No it`s not what I meant. I didn't seen it this way. When I first installed Linux two weeks ago, I had troubles with my ISP. I called the Tech support line, explained my problem. The guy said he knew what my problem was but don't remember what to do to fix. He said he has a book at home on Linux that explained that but he didn't remember the command. I just said ok. And searched on Linux and Debian documentations that was online. I finnally found what was my problem on my own. While I was searching on the documantation, I found a lot of other things that was interresting. If my ISP had gave me the answer when I called him, I would be at the same level as I was before to call him. I had just do what he told me to do. That's it that's all. And now? If another problem appears. What will I do? Call my ISP begging for help? No. I learned how to fix my problems on my own. By taking the time to read the man pages, and documentations. If you give every answers to every problems that a new user encounter, how will he learn? Why should he learn to read man pages? He don't need to, he just have to call his ISP, ask how to do that, vomit the command the ISP told him to do without even know what the command mean, and that's it. "Give food to someone, and when he'll be hungry, he will always ask you for food. Show him how to go fishing, and when he'll be hungry, he'll go fishing on his own and will be self-sufficient." (Excuse my english) Sure there are problems that are a lot more important than setting up a ppp connection. But every new user, have to sit down, take some hours to read some man pages and HOW-TOs, and just learn by themself how to set up their PPP. They have to realize that Linux is not Win95. It's not "Idiot-Proof". As a new user, I can tell you that setting up my ppp connection was hard. Really. But now that I know, it was simple. And it is now simple because I understood what I did to make it work. The point is not to force new user to pass through silly rite of passage. It's just to let them learn. Not without sharing our knowledge. As soon as I will have more knowledge, I'll write some texts about things that hadn't been documented before. Giving material to discover how to do things is not (IMHO) like calling an ISP, asking how to do that, the ISP gives you the command and hang up. You type in the command like a dumb and don't know what you're doing, you just type in. I don't think an ISP will take the time to explain everything in details on why do this, what this command is, etc. This is nothing more then my opinion. --- Imagination is more important then knowledge. - Albert Einstein - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Louis-Philippe Alain: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PPP install (was:nobody is running find at too high a priority)
A. M. Varon writes: > Righto! linux treats you as a knowledgeable person, not some idiot who > does'nt know how to use an OS. The truly knowledgeable person shares his knowledge. Why should we not share our knowledge of how to configure ppp with new users? Do you want to force them to go through some sort of silly rite of passage? -- John HaslerThis posting is in the public domain. [EMAIL PROTECTED]Do with it what you will. Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind. Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PPP install (was:nobody is running find at too high a priority)
Louis-Philippe Alain writes: > You want to know why I switched to Linux? Because Win95 was boring. I > think what makes Linux be Linux is the fact that it's not very user > friendly if you compare it to Win95. The nore it's hard to make a Linux > box running as you want, the more you learn. There is nothing more boring than a simple task made needlessly complex. Do you program in machine code? I once did. Learned a lot. Never want to do it again, and see no reason why anyone else have to should do it. > I love to read HOW-TOs and Documents to LEARN how to make what I want to > make. I don't want it to be easier. Nobody is threatening to prevent you from making things as difficult for yourself as you wish. We just want to allow people to apply their talents to new problems, instead of solving the same old ones over and over. -- John HaslerThis posting is in the public domain. [EMAIL PROTECTED]Do with it what you will. Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind. Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .