[OT] developing envelopes [was: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?]
On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 08:11:49AM +, Curt wrote: [...] > It wasn't near wordplay; it was definitely a *calembour*. Ooooh, a new word: thanks for the gift :) Cheers - t signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?
On 2021-05-11, wrote: > > That is so near a wordplay that I wonder whether it was > intentional. Envelopers who use developes? > To develop is to free from that which envelops; envelop denotes to enclose or enfold whereas develop means to unfold, make visible. The two terms in their primary senses are antithetical. It wasn't near wordplay; it was definitely a *calembour*.
Re: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?
On 2021-05-10, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > The Insert->Envelope dialog allows one to properly choose the #10 > envelope and the resulting document looks correct. Then when opening > the Print dialog the formatting becomes stuck on the C5 size. Even > resetting to #10 (or Com-10) results in the address blocks being placed > too low on the envelope. Tips from the 'Net have failed me. > Someone has reported success via the Format/Page menu items and then simply selecting #10 envelope, rather than going the Insert->Envelope route.
Re: (OT) Jokes, lprng and old cars [was: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?]
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > Difference is, the Benz 1930 guzzled gas like there was no tomorrow and > was slow and uncomfortable. > > Lprng uses up way less resources than CUPS, is easier to set up and > understand, and Just Works. > It is your opinion, I do not want to argue. For me it is as outdated as the Benz 1930 and this was just example, so we also do not have to argue if the comparison was good. > I don't have a car, BTW. Never had. Prefer to invest in tasty food :) > This means 1. you live in the city, 2. (probably) no children I have family and 2 cars (1 for the city and 1 for long trips - more comfort). There is no need to say what I think/feel about fake green ideology :) I do not have lprng :) installed. I used it last time in 2002. >> So I just wanted to make a joke :) > > That's OK, but then don't be surprised when jokes come back ;-) As long as no one is upset - it is amusing.
Re: (OT) Jokes, lprng and old cars [was: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?]
On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 07:19:13PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 06:38:46PM +0200, deloptes wrote: around 1998 you could already print with other tools than lpr or lprng. Until now, I was not aware that an "lpr" system still is in the Debian archive. I am running Debian 10 on a pc set up by the Debian installer. CUPS is installed; "lpr" is NOT installed. But CUPS recognises a "lpr" command, and "man lpr" displays a man page authored by Apple, Inc. So the approach I am using is both simple and modern. CUPS installs and manages the printer, which prints from the "raw" queue, in reponse to commands of the sort "lpr -P oki labelname". RLH
Re: (OT) Jokes, lprng and old cars [was: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?]
On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 06:31:57PM +, Russell L. Harris wrote: > On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 07:19:13PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 06:38:46PM +0200, deloptes wrote: > >>around 1998 you could already print with other tools than lpr or lprng. > > Until now, I was not aware that an "lpr" system still is in the Debian > archive. I am running Debian 10 on a pc set up by the Debian > installer. CUPS is installed; "lpr" is NOT installed. Yes, back then, they took some care to at least keep compatible user interfaces. Politeness, I'd call that. Nowadays, though... ;-) Cheers - t signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?
On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 12:44:03PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 11:26:01AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > >This must be a tough bug to resolve as this one has been open almost 9 > >years: > > > >https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51132 > > It's probably hard to find developers who use envelopes That is so near a wordplay that I wonder whether it was intentional. Envelopers who use developes? Anyway, thanks for it ;-) Cheers - t signature.asc Description: Digital signature
(OT) Jokes, lprng and old cars [was: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?]
On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 06:38:46PM +0200, deloptes wrote: [...] > around 1998 you could already print with other tools than lpr or lprng. > When I listen to you guys I have a respect, but you must understand that > time goes on - this is like advertising Mercedes Benz from 1930 and telling > me how cool this car was ... well might be, might be, but no one needs this > anymore - except the museum. Difference is, the Benz 1930 guzzled gas like there was no tomorrow and was slow and uncomfortable. Lprng uses up way less resources than CUPS, is easier to set up and understand, and Just Works. I don't have a car, BTW. Never had. Prefer to invest in tasty food :) > So I just wanted to make a joke :) That's OK, but then don't be surprised when jokes come back ;-) Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?
On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 10:10:22AM -0500, David Wright wrote: I still have clean fanfold labels that they jettisoned after lining up the lineprinters all those years ago. Beware David; label adhesives may die with age. Old fanfold labels likely will not adhere, and labels applied five to ten years ago pop free when the file folder is flexed. I learned the hard way, with file cabinets full of unlabeled file folders. Archivial labels are available, with a non-aging adhesive. RLH
Re: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?
On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 11:26:01AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: This must be a tough bug to resolve as this one has been open almost 9 years: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51132 It's probably hard to find developers who use envelopes
Re: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?
David Wright wrote: >> >> And the year is 1998 :D > > You can go back two more decades. I recall writing a stand-alone > program to print a learned society's mailing labels on a Decwriter. > For me it was an exercise, as I had only written OS360/370 assembler > to extend FortranIV until then. For the subscription secretary, it > enabled a faster turnround as we didn't have to persuade the operators > to load sticky labels on their busy lineprinters. Less waste too: > I still have clean fanfold labels that they jettisoned after lining > up the lineprinters all those years ago. around 1998 you could already print with other tools than lpr or lprng. When I listen to you guys I have a respect, but you must understand that time goes on - this is like advertising Mercedes Benz from 1930 and telling me how cool this car was ... well might be, might be, but no one needs this anymore - except the museum. So I just wanted to make a joke :) In fact if you want to read such posts more often you should subscribe to RPi mailing list comp.sys.raspberry-pi. It's mostly like this - very little epistemological benefit for the reader, but amusing.
Re: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?
This must be a tough bug to resolve as this one has been open almost 9 years: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51132 - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: https://www.n0nb.us Projects: https://github.com/N0NB GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?
On Tue 11 May 2021 at 00:17:12 (+0200), deloptes wrote: > Russell L. Harris wrote: > > > I use a dot-matrix printer with tractor feed to print self-adhesive > > address labels. There is no formatting; just several lines of plain > > text, one address per file. There is no driver; the printer is > > managed by CUPS to receive "raw" data. I print labels using the "lpr" > > command. > > And the year is 1998 :D You can go back two more decades. I recall writing a stand-alone program to print a learned society's mailing labels on a Decwriter. For me it was an exercise, as I had only written OS360/370 assembler to extend FortranIV until then. For the subscription secretary, it enabled a faster turnround as we didn't have to persuade the operators to load sticky labels on their busy lineprinters. Less waste too: I still have clean fanfold labels that they jettisoned after lining up the lineprinters all those years ago. Cheers, David.
Re: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >> However lpr ... >> ... Neanderthals get extinct at some point of >> time ;-) > > ...perhaps /because/ they moved from lprng to CUPS ;-(=) there was no compatible interface in production anymore :)
Re: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?
On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 09:43:37AM +0200, deloptes wrote: [...] > However lpr ... > ... Neanderthals get extinct at some point of > time ;-) ...perhaps /because/ they moved from lprng to CUPS ;-(=) Cheers - t signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > Yeah. Today you would use a client-server architecture, the server > being an npm application running in a Docker container. The client > is based on libelectron (the printer selection dialog has to have > a GUI, after all). Since the stack of dependencies is so, well, > hellish, you better deploy your print-capable apps as Flatpaks [0], > each one with its own copy of libelectron (and of Chrome, of course). > > Makes you pine for the good ol' times where those things were made > with Eclipse [1]. > > Nah. I'll take lprng, thankyouverymuch. the dot matrix printer from Epson, I bought in 1996 for ~100 US$ still works pretty well and the tape is very cheap. However lpr ... come on - even RPi or a refurbished PC with a display is more handy. You do not have to go into the other extreme with flatpack ... but command line ... come on ... Neanderthals get extinct at some point of time ;-)
Re: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?
On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 12:17:12AM +0200, deloptes wrote: > Russell L. Harris wrote: > > > I use a dot-matrix printer with tractor feed to print self-adhesive > > address labels. There is no formatting; just several lines of plain > > text, one address per file. There is no driver; the printer is > > managed by CUPS to receive "raw" data. I print labels using the "lpr" > > command. > > And the year is 1998 :D Yeah. Today you would use a client-server architecture, the server being an npm application running in a Docker container. The client is based on libelectron (the printer selection dialog has to have a GUI, after all). Since the stack of dependencies is so, well, hellish, you better deploy your print-capable apps as Flatpaks [0], each one with its own copy of libelectron (and of Chrome, of course). Makes you pine for the good ol' times where those things were made with Eclipse [1]. Nah. I'll take lprng, thankyouverymuch. Cheers [0] Or however your application isolation framework is called in the circle of hell you currently inhabit. [1] And I thought Eclipse had its name because lights went dim when it was started. Naive me. - t signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?
On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 09:24:48PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2021 10 May 16:05 -0500, Russell L. Harris wrote: I use a dot-matrix printer with tractor feed to print self-adhesive address labels. There is no formatting; just several lines of plain text, one address per file. There is no driver; the printer is managed by CUPS to receive "raw" data. I print labels using the "lpr" command. Oh wow, memories! In the summer of 1990 while going to electronics school I bought a Panasonic KX-P1124 24 pin dot matrix printer. That set me back a few hundred bucks at the time but it was worth it to be able to submit near letter quality lab reports and schematic drawings. I used it for several years afterward until I bought a Deskjet (one and done with that tech) and then bartered my way into a laser printer. I don't recall if I gave the '1124 away or sent it to recycling several years ago. :-( It is cheap; it is easy and simple for one-off jobs (For labels I use the editor "nano".); a box of 5000 tractor-feed labels lasts for ever, even if you must print two or three duplicates to get to the tear-off point. The only down-side is the table space (I leave mine set up), and the fact that if you don't use it every few weeks, the ribbon dries out a little. My OKI Microline 320 connects via USB. RLH
Re: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?
* On 2021 10 May 16:05 -0500, Russell L. Harris wrote: > I use a dot-matrix printer with tractor feed to print self-adhesive > address labels. There is no formatting; just several lines of plain > text, one address per file. There is no driver; the printer is > managed by CUPS to receive "raw" data. I print labels using the "lpr" > command. Oh wow, memories! In the summer of 1990 while going to electronics school I bought a Panasonic KX-P1124 24 pin dot matrix printer. That set me back a few hundred bucks at the time but it was worth it to be able to submit near letter quality lab reports and schematic drawings. I used it for several years afterward until I bought a Deskjet (one and done with that tech) and then bartered my way into a laser printer. I don't recall if I gave the '1124 away or sent it to recycling several years ago. :-( - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: https://www.n0nb.us Projects: https://github.com/N0NB GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?
* On 2021 10 May 15:13 -0500, deloptes wrote: > I use very often the Apaches OpenOffice 4.1.7 (version ATM) to print > envelopes. then as suggested I use the manual tray of the HP 420dn which I > have here to print it. It works OOB. Here is the process > 1. select the page size Menu -> Format -> Page (Page Format -> Format #10) > 2. Write the address > 3. Set the manual tray (1) on the 420dn and insert the envelope > 4. Print And right here is where it starts replacing #10 with C5 in the current LO 7.0.4.2 in Bullseye. > What you describe looks like issue with margins and why are you trying > OpenOffice 3.3?! Even my version is already outdated This goes back some years where I had an old set of spreadsheets starting in 2003 and carried them forward year to year. With some newer version of LO, may have been 5.x, it was doing strange things to those sheets. I also had a special work flow I used once per year that worked in that old version but changes in newer versions of LO resulted in that it was faster to stuff that old version in /opt and run it from time to time. I no longer do either work flow any longer but I just left that old version there. My attempt was to see if this may have been a new bug in LO. I don't think so as I got the same buggy behavior of it wanting to use the C5 size rather than #10. Apparently this is long standing as I found questions about this very thing going back several years in Web searches. Perhaps this has been fixed in AOO and I should try a newer version. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: https://www.n0nb.us Projects: https://github.com/N0NB GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?
Interesting tip, Glenn. I've used Impress but not Draw much. While I do have envelopes that I will be printing the same address on a regular basis, it is the one-off jobs that I'd like to use something simpler, I guess, or at least ready made. Sometime the current Writer bug needs to be addressed. I guess I should start poking around for the LO bug database. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: https://www.n0nb.us Projects: https://github.com/N0NB GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?
Russell L. Harris wrote: > I use a dot-matrix printer with tractor feed to print self-adhesive > address labels. There is no formatting; just several lines of plain > text, one address per file. There is no driver; the printer is > managed by CUPS to receive "raw" data. I print labels using the "lpr" > command. And the year is 1998 :D
Re: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?
On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 10:36:57AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: Are there other options? Looking about I don't see any. Even the online Google Docs does not appear to have any support for printing envelopes. I understand most people do things online but there is still a reason to use snail mail and representing an organization, my handwriting is poor enough that it is better served via printing envelopes. I use a dot-matrix printer with tractor feed to print self-adhesive address labels. There is no formatting; just several lines of plain text, one address per file. There is no driver; the printer is managed by CUPS to receive "raw" data. I print labels using the "lpr" command. RLH
Re: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?
Nate Bargmann wrote: > I've successfully used the current version of Libre Office in Testing to > print mailing addresses on a #6 3/4 (US) envelope and so wanted to do > the same with a #10 (US) envelope, and have had nothing but frustration > for almost the past two hours. > > The Insert->Envelope dialog allows one to properly choose the #10 > envelope and the resulting document looks correct. Then when opening > the Print dialog the formatting becomes stuck on the C5 size. Even > resetting to #10 (or Com-10) results in the address blocks being placed > too low on the envelope. Tips from the 'Net have failed me. > > I even tried a static linked version of Open Office 3.3 I have installed > and it has the same bug! Obviously, this is long-standing bug and > probably won't be fixed any time soon, certainly not in the Bullseye > time frame. > > Are there other options? Looking about I don't see any. Even the > online Google Docs does not appear to have any support for printing > envelopes. I understand most people do things online but there is still > a reason to use snail mail and representing an organization, my > handwriting is poor enough that it is better served via printing > envelopes. I use very often the Apaches OpenOffice 4.1.7 (version ATM) to print envelopes. then as suggested I use the manual tray of the HP 420dn which I have here to print it. It works OOB. Here is the process 1. select the page size Menu -> Format -> Page (Page Format -> Format #10) 2. Write the address 3. Set the manual tray (1) on the 420dn and insert the envelope 4. Print What you describe looks like issue with margins and why are you trying OpenOffice 3.3?! Even my version is already outdated
Re: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, May 10, 2021 9:36 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > Hi All. > > I've successfully used the current version of Libre Office in Testing to > print mailing addresses on a #6 3/4 (US) envelope and so wanted to do > the same with a #10 (US) envelope, and have had nothing but frustration > for almost the past two hours. > > The Insert->Envelope dialog allows one to properly choose the #10 > envelope and the resulting document looks correct. Then when opening > the Print dialog the formatting becomes stuck on the C5 size. Even > resetting to #10 (or Com-10) results in the address blocks being placed > too low on the envelope. Tips from the 'Net have failed me. Here's yet another tip from the 'Net :-) I have an elderly HP 4240n laser printer. If I pull down the 'door' on the front, there's a place with guides where I can put an envelope. A long time ago, I used the the Page program on a Mac -- it had no problem doing envelopes. I can't find a civilized way to do them on LO. So I use LO's Draw, set for a full sheet of paper (8.5 * 11 US letter -- don't remember what it's called). I measured the envelope, created a long rectangle of that size, centered in the upper area of the page, put some text blocks in it for To and From, wrote in the blocks, and rotated them. There was some futzing to position the envelope rectangle in the right place (IIRC, margins also need some modification), but with the rest of the page empty, Draw prints perfect envelopes. It's a mild pain, but it beats writing. And I had to do it only once. -- Glenn English -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: ProtonMail wsBzBAEBCAAGBQJgmXlFACEJEJ/XhjGCrIwyFiEELKJzD0JScCVjQA2Xn9eG MYKsjDK2yQf/eXM2YcSci6VsZAY/AalSIZ1XtiaNmYOs0Elnv+adHEP3uEcK /Loi7cnKHvcPX6fMxcTxDRmvLSgD+TQkarKmlAeMOpaSu9J0Hwh3oF8Le+An EsR7RNtdfnfYiXtOfcpqFl+b0ltEwzWRff0wQ+Ja3MipBR8q1IJjd1Cl9OZr KnVUIP7pkAxYOQqPa1TVDsA8vV7I2EOlenrNj0+O2IyqVBsEJHbhEIKNYY+2 cfD5AuziMQxGYPCKmnGUZO/qGBtuv3eIEf4gdxerA3QxNDAoCkHRny4Qog4h /hsF5TXW2zP4rfFKiXjmtJmvGZ30mp3It18BecKrUySr62bMlnO2cA== =Htzu -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?
Hi All. I've successfully used the current version of Libre Office in Testing to print mailing addresses on a #6 3/4 (US) envelope and so wanted to do the same with a #10 (US) envelope, and have had nothing but frustration for almost the past two hours. The Insert->Envelope dialog allows one to properly choose the #10 envelope and the resulting document looks correct. Then when opening the Print dialog the formatting becomes stuck on the C5 size. Even resetting to #10 (or Com-10) results in the address blocks being placed too low on the envelope. Tips from the 'Net have failed me. I even tried a static linked version of Open Office 3.3 I have installed and it has the same bug! Obviously, this is long-standing bug and probably won't be fixed any time soon, certainly not in the Bullseye time frame. Are there other options? Looking about I don't see any. Even the online Google Docs does not appear to have any support for printing envelopes. I understand most people do things online but there is still a reason to use snail mail and representing an organization, my handwriting is poor enough that it is better served via printing envelopes. TIA - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: https://www.n0nb.us Projects: https://github.com/N0NB GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
