Re: RAM 95% used
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:26:19 -0400 Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > I think he said Celeron (doesn't that mean slow as celery, i.e. > low-power?), 256 MB and no swap. Modern Celerons (I have one, but nothing else modern to compare it to), i.e. the Celeron M, are apparently exactly the same as their Pentium M brethren (but not, I guess, the various Cores) except for a) smaller cache and b) reduced power saving functionality (IIUC, they're the identical chips with those two features disabled). [snip] Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAM 95% used
On Sun, 2007-04-29 at 14:30 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 09:08:21PM +0100, somethin2cool wrote: > > Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > >I am curious about your sluggishness though, as I've had xfce running > > >for days with multiple apps open and problems. Currently I've got 2 or > > >3 terminals, iceweasel, openoffice, xfmedia and gnucash all up and > > >running for about 5 days and am only using 460MB of my 1 GB total > > >mem/swap. Are you running one of the *dm's? if so which one? > > > > gdm > > try without gdm, just using startxfce4 from a command line > login. You'll have to kill gdm with `/etc/init.d/gdm stop` > first. startxfce4 should give you a more clean setup in terms of what > is loaded by default. might help. I haven't followed this thread closely, but would like to add the following. See: http://bugs.debian.org/376177 The offenders are xfdesktop and xfce4-menu-plugin. To avoid the memory leak(s) until the problem is fixed, don't use xfdesktop or the xfce4 menu plugin. I read somewhere that the memory leak(s) may be fixed in version 4.4.1, so perhaps the version in unstable will fix the problem... please add to the bug report what you discover. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: RAM 95% used
El dom, 29-04-2007 a las 21:26 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty escribió: > On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 10:32:17PM +0200, Andreas Janssen wrote: > > Roberto C. Sánchez (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 09:07:35PM +0100, somethin2cool wrote: > > >> > > >> But it isn't handling the memory well. Everything is rubbish and > > >> sluggish right from start-up. Something is wrong > > >> > > > well, how much total physical RAM do you have? How much swap? How > > > much swap is being used? > > > > And of course, how fast is your CPU? > > > > I think he said Celeron (doesn't that mean slow as celery, i.e. > low-power?), 256 MB and no swap. > > Something: > If you don't have a spare partition for swap, you may want to try a swap > file. There are things in memory that on a system with swap get swapped > out when memory gets tight that aren't used much anyway. Having a swap > file would free up memory for your applications. > > You can also use top to see what apps specifically are hogging the > memory. Inside 'top' press O (yes, upper case) and then "n" to order the list according to memory usage. -- Gabriel Parrondo GNU/Linux User #404138 GnuPG Public Key ID: BED7BF43 JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The only difference between theory and practice is that, in theory, there's no difference between theory and practice." signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente
Re: RAM 95% used
On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 10:32:17PM +0200, Andreas Janssen wrote: > Roberto C. Sánchez (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 09:07:35PM +0100, somethin2cool wrote: > >> > >> But it isn't handling the memory well. Everything is rubbish and > >> sluggish right from start-up. Something is wrong > >> > > well, how much total physical RAM do you have? How much swap? How > > much swap is being used? > > And of course, how fast is your CPU? > I think he said Celeron (doesn't that mean slow as celery, i.e. low-power?), 256 MB and no swap. Something: If you don't have a spare partition for swap, you may want to try a swap file. There are things in memory that on a system with swap get swapped out when memory gets tight that aren't used much anyway. Having a swap file would free up memory for your applications. You can also use top to see what apps specifically are hogging the memory. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAM 95% used
On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 09:08:21PM +0100, somethin2cool wrote: > Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > > >I am curious about your sluggishness though, as I've had xfce running > >for days with multiple apps open and problems. Currently I've got 2 or > >3 terminals, iceweasel, openoffice, xfmedia and gnucash all up and > >running for about 5 days and am only using 460MB of my 1 GB total > >mem/swap. Are you running one of the *dm's? if so which one? > > > >A > > gdm try without gdm, just using startxfce4 from a command line login. You'll have to kill gdm with `/etc/init.d/gdm stop` first. startxfce4 should give you a more clean setup in terms of what is loaded by default. might help. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: RAM 95% used
Roberto C. Sánchez (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 09:07:35PM +0100, somethin2cool wrote: >> >> But it isn't handling the memory well. Everything is rubbish and >> sluggish right from start-up. Something is wrong >> > well, how much total physical RAM do you have? How much swap? How > much swap is being used? And of course, how fast is your CPU? regards Andreas Janssen -- Andreas Janssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PGP-Key-ID: 0xDC801674 ICQ #17079270 Registered Linux User #267976 http://www.andreas-janssen.de/debian-tipps-sarge.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAM 95% used
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 05:00:45PM +0100, somethin2cool wrote: Nigel Henry wrote: On Sunday 29 April 2007 16:19, somethin2cool wrote: even though i'm not running anything. in processes task manager says i'm using a total of 25mb, inc dependencies. in resources, it says 204. given the sluggishness of the totally minimal system i believe the later. however, even if i was to open every gui ap, it shouldn't use that much. what's wrong with it? why is it using up my ram? atm, just ruunning xfce takes 200mb. nothing stupid is installed, the whole point was for a fast system I've already seen the same question today, about memory being eaten up, and that too was someone using xfce. The answer was that xfce suffers >from memory leaks. The thing to do is log out of xfce, restart it, and keep an eye on memory useage. If it is a memory leak problem, you should initially see hardly any memory being used, and this will slowly creep up with the passing of time. Nigel. Oh. kinda contradictory for the 'light' DE. Still, they seem on the ball. I'm sure it'll be sorted in no time well, 'light' means their philosophy is to have a less resource intensive DE. memory leaks are, of course, bugs where memory is not properly freed after being used and are bugs as opposed to problems in the philosophy. I am curious about your sluggishness though, as I've had xfce running for days with multiple apps open and problems. Currently I've got 2 or 3 terminals, iceweasel, openoffice, xfmedia and gnucash all up and running for about 5 days and am only using 460MB of my 1 GB total mem/swap. Are you running one of the *dm's? if so which one? A gdm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAM 95% used
On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 09:07:35PM +0100, somethin2cool wrote: > > But it isn't handling the memory well. Everything is rubbish and > sluggish right from start-up. Something is wrong > well, how much total physical RAM do you have? How much swap? How much swap is being used? Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: RAM 95% used
Jostein Elvaker Haande wrote: On 29/04/07, somethin2cool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: even though i'm not running anything. [snip] This is a paste from my laptop, running with a good 2gb of RAM [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/mnt$ free -m total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 2028 1971 56 0 73 1206 -/+ buffers/cache:691 1336 Swap: 509 1507 [/snip] As you can see from this, my system is using ~97% of its total memory. But still I'm not worried, as Linux handles memory in a quite different approach than per say Windows. Seeing such high memory uses is not uncommon and all, is more the rule than the exception. Linux likes to reserve memory blocks before they are needed, so that when the memory blocks are needed they are already taken and ready to be assigned. This in return makes the overhead lower. It's when you see your hard drive swap like mad when you know you either; a) run a very memory intensive application b) a program/process has run amok and leaks like a sill c) you have too little system memory In your case, running a system without a swap partition is not good in any means! But a lesson learnt hopefully to the next time you set up a Debian (or any other Linux system for that matter) system. But it isn't handling the memory well. Everything is rubbish and sluggish right from start-up. Something is wrong -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAM 95% used
On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 12:00:45PM EDT, somethin2cool wrote: > Nigel Henry wrote: > >On Sunday 29 April 2007 16:19, somethin2cool wrote: > >>even though i'm not running anything. > >> > >>in processes task manager says i'm using a total of 25mb, inc > >>dependencies. > >> > >>in resources, it says 204. given the sluggishness of the totally minimal > >>system i believe the later. > >> > >>however, even if i was to open every gui ap, it shouldn't use that much. > >> > >>what's wrong with it? why is it using up my ram? > >> > >>atm, just ruunning xfce takes 200mb. nothing stupid is installed, the > >>whole point was for a fast system > > > >I've already seen the same question today, about memory being eaten up, > >and that too was someone using xfce. The answer was that xfce suffers from > >memory leaks. > > > >The thing to do is log out of xfce, restart it, and keep an eye on memory > >useage. If it is a memory leak problem, you should initially see hardly > >any memory being used, and this will slowly creep up with the passing of > >time. > > > >Nigel. > > > > > > Oh. kinda contradictory for the 'light' DE. Two different things. Memory leaks are almost always easy to fix .. once you know how/where it's leaking, that is .. Bloat is a design issue .. In a sense, it's even easier to "fix" .. make up you mind whether you really need all paraphernalia .. if you don't .. dump the bloody thing and look for you fun elsewhere. > Still, they seem on the ball. I don't use XFCE but if it is something as clearcut as a memory leak .. the first thing to do is to find out if there's a patch for it. Go to their web site .. see what's the current version .. take a look at the change log .. etc. > I'm sure it'll be sorted in no time Hopefully, you only need to upgrade. Good luck with it. Thanks, cga -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAM 95% used
On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 05:00:45PM +0100, somethin2cool wrote: > Nigel Henry wrote: > >On Sunday 29 April 2007 16:19, somethin2cool wrote: > >>even though i'm not running anything. > >> > >>in processes task manager says i'm using a total of 25mb, inc > >>dependencies. > >> > >>in resources, it says 204. given the sluggishness of the totally > >>minimal > >>system i believe the later. > >> > >>however, even if i was to open every gui ap, it shouldn't use that > >>much. > >> > >>what's wrong with it? why is it using up my ram? > >> > >>atm, just ruunning xfce takes 200mb. nothing stupid is installed, the > >>whole point was for a fast system > > > >I've already seen the same question today, about memory being eaten up, > >and that too was someone using xfce. The answer was that xfce suffers > >from memory leaks. > > > >The thing to do is log out of xfce, restart it, and keep an eye on > >memory useage. If it is a memory leak problem, you should initially see > >hardly any memory being used, and this will slowly creep up with the > >passing of time. > > > >Nigel. > > > > > > Oh. kinda contradictory for the 'light' DE. Still, they seem on the > ball. I'm sure it'll be sorted in no time well, 'light' means their philosophy is to have a less resource intensive DE. memory leaks are, of course, bugs where memory is not properly freed after being used and are bugs as opposed to problems in the philosophy. I am curious about your sluggishness though, as I've had xfce running for days with multiple apps open and problems. Currently I've got 2 or 3 terminals, iceweasel, openoffice, xfmedia and gnucash all up and running for about 5 days and am only using 460MB of my 1 GB total mem/swap. Are you running one of the *dm's? if so which one? A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: RAM 95% used
On 29/04/07, somethin2cool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: even though i'm not running anything. [snip] This is a paste from my laptop, running with a good 2gb of RAM [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/mnt$ free -m total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 2028 1971 56 0 73 1206 -/+ buffers/cache:691 1336 Swap: 509 1507 [/snip] As you can see from this, my system is using ~97% of its total memory. But still I'm not worried, as Linux handles memory in a quite different approach than per say Windows. Seeing such high memory uses is not uncommon and all, is more the rule than the exception. Linux likes to reserve memory blocks before they are needed, so that when the memory blocks are needed they are already taken and ready to be assigned. This in return makes the overhead lower. It's when you see your hard drive swap like mad when you know you either; a) run a very memory intensive application b) a program/process has run amok and leaks like a sill c) you have too little system memory In your case, running a system without a swap partition is not good in any means! But a lesson learnt hopefully to the next time you set up a Debian (or any other Linux system for that matter) system. -- Yours sincerely Jostein Elvaker Haande A free society is a place where it is safe to be unpopular http://tolecnal.net -- tolecnal at tolecnal dot net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAM 95% used
Andreas Janssen wrote: somethin2cool (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: even though i'm not running anything. in processes task manager says i'm using a total of 25mb, inc dependencies. in resources, it says 204. given the sluggishness of the totally minimal system i believe the later. however, even if i was to open every gui ap, it shouldn't use that much. what's wrong with it? why is it using up my ram? atm, just ruunning xfce takes 200mb. nothing stupid is installed, the whole point was for a fast system [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ free -m total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem:504497 7 0 28211 -/+ buffers/cache: 256247 Swap: 1023134889 That means: 504 mbytes of RAM are used, but this includes 211 mbytes that are used for file caching. The cache size will decrease when applications need the RAM. The second line shows you how much RAM is used without the cache. Also take a look at top or htop. regards Andreas Janssen I see. That does make sense, but lets say I have 2 instances of mousepad, 2 thunars, and 2 catfishes, then it takes over a minute to start seamonkey, 4 seconds to start terminal. This doesn't sound like anything is manageing the ram. stats: celeron 1.3, 256ddr2 ram, 4gb / now, yesterday i could have all this stuff open and everything would still fly (as it should). since then i have installed a few things (catfish, avg, ntfs-3g, deluge, gqview, xpdf, linuxdcpp, avidemux - all with the excellent aptitude). I wouldn't have thought I should see any difference in performance. I don't have a swap partition, which i know is bad, but this is a learning exercise for now, not a production environment. (and it was awesome yesterday without a swap) top seems very interesting, and htop will be my new task manager :-) but everything they show is fine: I'd paste the outputs, but they wont let me copy and apparently my terminal can't export to file (ie log). nothing interesting reported there anyway. and yet having just turned it on, i'm looking at 272mb used, with just seamonkey and htop running. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAM 95% used
Nigel Henry wrote: On Sunday 29 April 2007 16:19, somethin2cool wrote: even though i'm not running anything. in processes task manager says i'm using a total of 25mb, inc dependencies. in resources, it says 204. given the sluggishness of the totally minimal system i believe the later. however, even if i was to open every gui ap, it shouldn't use that much. what's wrong with it? why is it using up my ram? atm, just ruunning xfce takes 200mb. nothing stupid is installed, the whole point was for a fast system I've already seen the same question today, about memory being eaten up, and that too was someone using xfce. The answer was that xfce suffers from memory leaks. The thing to do is log out of xfce, restart it, and keep an eye on memory useage. If it is a memory leak problem, you should initially see hardly any memory being used, and this will slowly creep up with the passing of time. Nigel. Oh. kinda contradictory for the 'light' DE. Still, they seem on the ball. I'm sure it'll be sorted in no time -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAM 95% used
On Sunday 29 April 2007 16:19, somethin2cool wrote: > even though i'm not running anything. > > in processes task manager says i'm using a total of 25mb, inc dependencies. > > in resources, it says 204. given the sluggishness of the totally minimal > system i believe the later. > > however, even if i was to open every gui ap, it shouldn't use that much. > > what's wrong with it? why is it using up my ram? > > atm, just ruunning xfce takes 200mb. nothing stupid is installed, the > whole point was for a fast system I've already seen the same question today, about memory being eaten up, and that too was someone using xfce. The answer was that xfce suffers from memory leaks. The thing to do is log out of xfce, restart it, and keep an eye on memory useage. If it is a memory leak problem, you should initially see hardly any memory being used, and this will slowly creep up with the passing of time. Nigel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAM 95% used
somethin2cool (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > even though i'm not running anything. > > in processes task manager says i'm using a total of 25mb, inc > dependencies. > > in resources, it says 204. given the sluggishness of the totally > minimal system i believe the later. > > however, even if i was to open every gui ap, it shouldn't use that > much. > > what's wrong with it? why is it using up my ram? > > atm, just ruunning xfce takes 200mb. nothing stupid is installed, the > whole point was for a fast system [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ free -m total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem:504497 7 0 28211 -/+ buffers/cache: 256247 Swap: 1023134889 That means: 504 mbytes of RAM are used, but this includes 211 mbytes that are used for file caching. The cache size will decrease when applications need the RAM. The second line shows you how much RAM is used without the cache. Also take a look at top or htop. regards Andreas Janssen -- Andreas Janssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PGP-Key-ID: 0xDC801674 ICQ #17079270 Registered Linux User #267976 http://www.andreas-janssen.de/debian-tipps-sarge.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RAM 95% used
even though i'm not running anything. in processes task manager says i'm using a total of 25mb, inc dependencies. in resources, it says 204. given the sluggishness of the totally minimal system i believe the later. however, even if i was to open every gui ap, it shouldn't use that much. what's wrong with it? why is it using up my ram? atm, just ruunning xfce takes 200mb. nothing stupid is installed, the whole point was for a fast system -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
