Re: Caps lock problem

2004-03-12 Thread Michael G. Hansen
Slaanesh wrote:
 Hi folks,

 In the Microsoft Windows world, one has to use the shift key to disable
 the caps lock mode whereas in the Unix world, and indeed under Debian
 GNU/Linux, one has to hit caps lock key again.
 I would like to know if someone could tell me how to configure my
 keyboard to act the Microsoft way instead of the standard way ?

Hi,

I think the Caps-Lock behaviour is primarily attributed to the country 
and not to the operating system.
My German keyboard-layout under Windows releases Caps when I press shift
whereas when I worked at a computer in the US it would require me to 
press Caps again to release it. Just did a quick check on my laptop 
(Novell Dos 7;-)) and it showed the same behaviour when I switched it to 
US-layout.
Under Windows (2000) you can change that behaviour under 
Keyboard-Settings, in KDE (3.2) you can go to Keyboard Layout, Xbd 
Options and then scroll to the bottom to find Caps Lock behaviour.
If you want more ways to control the Caps-Key, check out this article:
http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/23/TheAnswerGirl.pdf

Cheers
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Re: Caps lock problem

2004-03-12 Thread Olivier Sirven
Le vendredi 12 Mars 2004 11:06, Michael G. Hansen a écrit :
 Under Windows (2000) you can change that behaviour under
 Keyboard-Settings, in KDE (3.2) you can go to Keyboard Layout, Xbd
 Options and then scroll to the bottom to find Caps Lock behaviour.

I've tried to do it the Kde 3.2 way but nothing appends at all... I've tested 
all the different options for caps lock behaviour but without seeing any 
difference ?!


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Re: Caps lock problem

2004-03-12 Thread Herv Piedvache

Le vendredi 12 Mars 2004 05:45, N. Thomas a écrit :
 * Slaanesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-03-12 00:00:31 +0100]:
  In the Microsoft Windows world, one has to use the shift key to
  disable the caps lock mode

 I'm writing this on a Windows 2000 box, and I have to hit caps lock
 again to disable it. What version of Windows has this functionality?

May be because that's a specific thing for European version, but for us in 
France Windows 95/98/98SE had this option by default ... and for Windows 
2000/XP we have to check an option in the Keyboard parameters ...

The keyboard particularities seems to be important in the word ... ;o)

But, like Slaanesh, I would like to make this running with KDE, and the last 
KDE3.2 seems to give options like this ... but they are not working ... or we 
don't know how to !?

But may be like the Screensavers gived with KDE 3.2 by default are not working 
without xscreensaver and xscreensaver-gl package (and the information are not 
clearly gived), So we may missed a package for making running well this part 
of KDE, but for the moment we don't find any solution ! :o(

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Re: Caps lock problem

2004-03-12 Thread Herv Piedvache
Hi,

Le vendredi 12 Mars 2004 11:06, Michael G. Hansen a écrit :
 Under Windows (2000) you can change that behaviour under
 Keyboard-Settings, in KDE (3.2) you can go to Keyboard Layout, Xbd
 Options and then scroll to the bottom to find Caps Lock behaviour.
 If you want more ways to control the Caps-Key, check out this article:
 http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/23/TheAnswerGirl.pdf

I have seen those options ... but I have tried them without any result ! :o((
The documentation seems to be clear ... but I have tried also each options for 
Caps Lock without any result :o(

May be a missing package or another parameter somewhere else ... 

Any idea are well done ;o)
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Re: Caps lock problem

2004-03-12 Thread John Hasler
Number Six writes:
 So long ago I can barely remember it, but the metaphors of typewriters
 were borrowed to keyboards.  That's how I first understood caps lock.

I don't recall any terminal except the 5250 working this way (but it's been
a long time...).
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Re: Caps lock problem

2004-03-11 Thread John Hasler
Slaanesh writes:
 In the Microsoft Windows world, one has to use the shift key to disable
 the caps lock mode...

??  That's _bizarre_.
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Re: Caps lock problem

2004-03-11 Thread Richard Hoskins
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Slaanesh writes:
 In the Microsoft Windows world, one has to use the shift key to
 disable the caps lock mode...

 ??  That's _bizarre_.

That's the way typewriters work.  

Also IIRC, (at least on Selectrics), it was called Shift Lock, and
did the obvious thing with regard to the upper row, too.

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Re: Caps lock problem

2004-03-11 Thread CW Harris
On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 12:00:31AM +0100, Slaanesh wrote:
 Hi folks,
 
 In the Microsoft Windows world, one has to use the shift key to disable 
 the caps lock mode whereas in the Unix world, and indeed under Debian 
 GNU/Linux, one has to hit caps lock key again.
 I would like to know if someone could tell me how to configure my 
 keyboard to act the Microsoft way instead of the standard way ?

I had never realized this.  This was interesting so I started looking.

I'm sure others can improve on this, but for the console you can define
a custom keymap as follows.

From the man keymaps:

   The  following  entry  sets the Shift and Caps Lock keys to behave more
   nicely, like in older typewriters. That is, pressing Caps Lock key once
   or  more sets the keyboard in CapsLock state and pressing either of the
   Shift keys releases it.

  keycode  42 = Uncaps_Shift
  keycode  54 = Uncaps_Shift
  keycode  58 = Caps_On

(see also loadkeys for loading a custom keymap).


For X (I'm not very experienced with modifying X so take this for
whatever it's worth to you):

Using xmodmap one can change X like this:

clear Lock
keycode 66 = Shift_Lock
add Lock = Shift_Lock

(I think 66 is the right keycode, I actually have mine changed so that
 is the control key).

I noticed my keyboard LED no longer lights up (since it indicates Caps
Lock not Shift Lock I guess. :)  Although this was only in X, on the
console it behaved normally.

I hope this starts you looking in the right direction.  As I said, I
haven't done this before.

 
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 Slaanesh
 

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Re: Caps lock problem

2004-03-11 Thread N. Thomas
* Slaanesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-03-12 00:00:31 +0100]:
 In the Microsoft Windows world, one has to use the shift key to
 disable the caps lock mode

I'm writing this on a Windows 2000 box, and I have to hit caps lock
again to disable it. What version of Windows has this functionality?

Thomas

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RE: Caps lock problem

2004-03-11 Thread Colin Bell
 -Original Message-
 From: N. Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, 12 March 2004 15:46
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Caps lock problem
 
 
 * Slaanesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-03-12 00:00:31 +0100]:
  In the Microsoft Windows world, one has to use the shift key to
  disable the caps lock mode
 
 I'm writing this on a Windows 2000 box, and I have to hit caps lock
 again to disable it. What version of Windows has this functionality?
 

None that I know of but the old IBM 5250 terminals (used on their Mini
computer series System/34, System/36, System/38 and AS400) used to work this
way. Its possible that he is using some 5250 emulation software.

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Re: Caps lock problem

2004-03-11 Thread Number Six
On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 04:00:56PM +1100, Colin Bell wrote:
  -Original Message-
  From: N. Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, 12 March 2004 15:46
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Caps lock problem
  
  
  * Slaanesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-03-12 00:00:31 +0100]:
   In the Microsoft Windows world, one has to use the shift key to
   disable the caps lock mode
  
  I'm writing this on a Windows 2000 box, and I have to hit caps lock
  again to disable it. What version of Windows has this functionality?
  
 
 None that I know of but the old IBM 5250 terminals (used on their Mini
 computer series System/34, System/36, System/38 and AS400) used to work this
 way. Its possible that he is using some 5250 emulation software.

Suddenly my mind flashes back to 1985 and my Mom's old Manual Typewriter 
with the CAPS LOCK which would stay until one pressed the Shift key.

So long ago I can barely remember it, but the metaphors of typewriters 
were borrowed to keyboards.  That's how I first understood caps 
lock.

I miss typewriters.  Anybody else here take typing on IBM selectrics in 
Junior high?


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Re: Caps lock problem

2004-03-11 Thread Paul Scott
Slaanesh wrote:

Hi folks,

In the Microsoft Windows world, one has to use the shift key to disable 
the caps lock mode

Not any MS Windows computer I have ever used.  Tell us what your special 
circumstances are.

Paul Scott

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