RE: Debian instalation
-Original Message- From: Guillermo Garron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 5:15 PM To: Debian-Users List Subject: Debian instalation Hi, I have found some valuable info over the internet, and got some of it to build my own server. I put all that info in this page, hope could be useful to somebody. http://www.go2linux.org/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=40Itemid=9 best regards, -- Guillermo Garron Linux IS user friendly... It's just selective about who its friends are. (Using FC6, CentOS4.4 and Ubuntu 6.06) http://feeds.feedburner.com/go2linux http://www.go2linux.org My comments: - During installation, it asks you for a single word hostname, and you put a FQDN. - You chose manual partitioning, but the partition scheme you created could have been done through guided partitioning. - You go through a lot of trouble to run Bind in a chroot jail. However, you don't explain why you do it, and you don't explain the steps you're taking. Since this is supposed to be a beginner's howto, beginners won't learn anything if you don't explain. Personally, I'd get rid of Bind and run a leaner, more secure DNS server, like PowerDNS. - Since you're installing dovecot, there's no need to install saslauthd. Dovecot has its own SASL authentication daemon. - Since you're creating SSL certs, you shouldn't allow plaintext auth. You should require TLS/SSL for plaintext auth. - Under Spamassassin configuration, you created a user called spamfilter, But in the postfix configuration, you're starting the spamchk script as user filter. Most like a typo. Also, overall, there's very little in the way of helpful explanation for someone new to Debian, which the document is supposed to be addressing. -- Kevin
Re: Debian instalation
On Sunday 07 December 2003 02:46, king kong wrote: [ .. ] Oh, and don't get me go into the installer. It just plain sucks (Yeah, shoot me, I said it!). For god sake, we are almost passed half of the first decaded of the 21 century, and we still can't have a good installer that recognizes the hardware properly. For my server, I didn't dare to buy any new hardware, only those that are at least 2 years old, and it still can't get it. E.g. DLink DFE-530TX, PT-Link cards, and some old ATI cards. I can pop Knoppix and Mepis in, and they just works fine. Same for RH, Mandrake and Suse. The package management is cool and fine, but if you can't get pass the installation, you can't use it. Did you ever try the beta-1 of the new installer? Just curious ... It worked very well for me and detected all the right stuff. Apart from having to use fdisk I believe almost everybody will be able to install Linux with it. And regarding the fdisk thing. I am not sure, but I believe to remember that there might have been an option to let the installer do the partitioning. [..] Actually, we are evaluating the distros for a client with a 50-server installation in a data center. They gave the hardware specs, and I'm really concerned about the debian installation process. That's very interesting. Especially for installing 50 systems with a common set of software it is debian coming to my mind, not any other distribution. Cheers, Mariani -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian instalation
On Saturday 06 December 2003 13:18, Mihai P. B. Stiucan wrote: There would be an ideea to install it from scratch , but I'm not so experimented to keep track of the files by myself. I will be very happy if I will succed to do a debian based system with XFree86 4.0.1 at least, and KDE 3.1 using Grub boot loader. Hi, welcome to Debian. A great choice ;-) The 128KBits line is a burden, but that should only be a problem if you are tracking unstable/sid. From yesterday to today I got 140 MB download (that is one day), but this won't happen if you go for testing/sarge. Between two releases of a package is a minimum gap of 10 days (afaik). What kind of system are you setting up? A webserver you want to put on the net and never want to spare a second thought on it? Woody is probably good for you here. If you want more current software and are willing to take a little risk go for testing/sarge. Go to /etc/apt/sources.list and replace all stable with sarge. Enter apt-get update to update your package database and apt-get dist-upgrade for upgrading the whole installation. This will also add new packages which you haven't had before, but are now available in the stock sarge distro. You likely will have to download more than 100 MB. The good thing is that you can interrupt the download process at any time and resume just there when doing an dist-upgrade again. Only problem with sarge is, that for some package with loads of dependencies it takes a long time to trach it. KDE 3.1 has taken ages. Cheers, Mariano -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian instalation
Mihai P. B. Stiucan wrote: Hello, I am an RedHat user and now I saw that RedHat is no more available as a free distribution. So i want to switch to Debian. I found some help on the www.debian.org web site, but I still need some advices. I saw there that they are 3 stages: stable, testing, unstable. For sure I choosed stable on my first pick,, got the images and installed it. After that, I noticed that all the utilities are old: XFree86, KDE, and most of the packages. I really need some new one, not necesarly the newest. Ok, ok, i know the new one are on testing, but I will assume the risk to use them. For the most part, testing and unstable are quite usable on a desktop workstation that doesn't need 24x7 reliability. I run sid (unstable) on all my workstations (stable (woody) on my servers), and every few upgrades (I usually upgrade about twice a week on my main workstations to get the newest toys) see some sort of glitch, ranging from some one or three packages that gets broken (usually something I can live without for a few days until it gets fixed) to a more serious problem such as the pam problem a couple of years ago which prevented any new logins. I've found sid to be easier to live with than testing, because whereas testing is more stable, when a bug does show up in testing it usually takes longer for the fix to show up, because it's, um, more stable than the constantly fluxing unstable (sid). Somebody told me to install woody and then to use apt-get to do some upgrades. In fact I need some advices for install debian but with new packages. I don't have a big bandwidth internet access, just 128kb/sec, and I have only the woody CDs. What should i do? Just install woody and then upgrade using apt-get? How will this apt-get handle the Xfree86 or KDE upgrade? There are numerous files to upgrade, is it possible to keep track of all of them? 128kb/sec will be slow, but I've done upgrades over a 33.3kb modem on two or three occassions. It works, but slowly. The problem with the slow speed is that the packages change in sid faster than you can download them sometimes. Still, I think the easiest route for you would be to point you /etc/apt/sources.list at a Debian mirror's testing or unstable repositories, then run apt-get update apt-get upgrade and sit back and let the magic work. You might run into a few glitches, since you're going from a supported version to an unsupported version that's still in flux and is not guaranteed to upgrade smoothly, but I don't think you'll run into any great problems. There would be an ideea to install it from scratch , but I'm not so experimented to keep track of the files by myself. I will be very happy if I will succed to do a debian based system with XFree86 4.0.1 at least, and KDE 3.1 using Grub boot loader. After the above-mentioned update/upgrade, you'll still have lilo instead of grub. So you'll then need to run apt-get install grub, and then configure grub. I've done it a time or two, but my brain just hasn't quite wrapped itself around grub's configuration yet, so I can't help on that score. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian instalation
On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 14:18:22 +0200, Mihai P. B. Stiucan wrote: Hello, I am an RedHat user and now I saw that RedHat is no more available as a free distribution. So i want to switch to Debian. I found some help on the www.debian.org web site, but I still need some advices. I saw there that they are 3 stages: stable, testing, unstable. For sure I choosed stable on my first pick,, got the images and installed it. After that, I noticed that all the utilities are old: XFree86, KDE, and most of the packages. I really need some new one, not necesarly the newest. Ok, ok, i know the new one are on testing, but I will assume the risk to use them. Somebody told me to install woody and then to use apt-get to do some upgrades. In fact I need some advices for install debian but with new packages. I don't have a big bandwidth internet access, just 128kb/sec, and I have only the woody CDs. What should i do? Just install woody and then upgrade using apt-get? How will this apt-get handle the Xfree86 or KDE upgrade? There are numerous files to upgrade, is it possible to keep track of all of them? There would be an ideea to install it from scratch , but I'm not so experimented to keep track of the files by myself. I will be very happy if I will succed to do a debian based system with XFree86 4.0.1 at least, and KDE 3.1 using Grub boot loader. I need some advices, really. Thanks for your time. I agree with Kent. I have used Debian and Red Hat and now I much prefer Debian as the package management IMHO is much better. I've used stable, testing, and unstable and I concur that unstable is actually very stable for a desktop. I'm using it to send this message with PAN. Give Sid a try and I think you'll like it. If you need some instructions to set up Grub try this link: http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-grub.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian instalation
On 6. December 2003 at 2:18PM +0200, Mihai P. B. Stiucan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am an RedHat user and now I saw that RedHat is no more available as a free distribution. So i want to switch to Debian. I found some help on the www.debian.org web site, but I still need some advices. I'm a Debian User myself ;-), but since you're already a Red Hat user you might want to consider the Fedora distribution: http://fedora.redhat.com/. Debian after all does some things differently. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian instalation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 02:18:22PM +0200, Mihai P. B. Stiucan wrote: I saw there that they are 3 stages: stable, testing, unstable. For sure I choosed stable on my first pick,, got the images and installed it. After that, I noticed that all the utilities are old: XFree86, KDE, and most of the packages. I really need some new one, not necesarly the newest. Ok, ok, i know the new one are on testing, but I will assume the risk to use them. http://www.apt-get.org/ Check for backports. Somebody told me to install woody and then to use apt-get to do some upgrades. Woody == Stable. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/0oVMUzgNqloQMwcRAkj5AJ4lfUch5i1ciiz4RkDm+wSazaK6qwCfdjsm eFG/RZMvhD50E2baX6bn58U= =wjj+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian instalation
Hehe, I know the feeling :) Started with Slackware, went to RH, tried Suse, Mandrake and Gentoo (later) sometimes along the way, and have stayed with RH consistently since 5.2. Kent gave an intro already to upgrade your system, you just have to specify in the apt source list which one you want. I haven't played with mixed installation (stable + testing + sid) yet. I don't like old desktops, so I upgrade my computers to sid. After using it for a month on my laptop and on two test servers (no GUI though), it seems good enough so I put them in real production use. Ok, small office, with a few servers and firewall/gateway only. If you are new to debian but know linux well, don't bother with the debian directly. Get Knoppix or Mepis installed on your machine first, and upgrade later. Will save you tons of time and frustration. I think your connection (128K) should be good enough to do the upgrade, if you can find a mirror that can give consistent download. The only thing I don't like is, even with sid, a lot of the packages are still old compared to other distros (Mandrake always has the most recent). And a few of them just don't work (e.g. mrproject, fwbuilder,...). I'll maintain some nightly/weekly build when I learn how to do my own deb packaging. And i18n/l10n is not as good either. I still can't get it to display Chinese in my gnome-terminal despite that I have made all the necessary config/fonts and installed and loaded the right nls packages of the filesystem. Applications can display/input Chinese just fine, the filesystem can't. RH and Mandrake just have the best support on this. Oh, and don't get me go into the installer. It just plain sucks (Yeah, shoot me, I said it!). For god sake, we are almost passed half of the first decaded of the 21 century, and we still can't have a good installer that recognizes the hardware properly. For my server, I didn't dare to buy any new hardware, only those that are at least 2 years old, and it still can't get it. E.g. DLink DFE-530TX, PT-Link cards, and some old ATI cards. I can pop Knoppix and Mepis in, and they just works fine. Same for RH, Mandrake and Suse. The package management is cool and fine, but if you can't get pass the installation, you can't use it. All my installations start with Knoppix, and then back to the debian upgrade. But Knoppix and Mepis have very primitive installer, you can't really specify your way of partitioning the disk. You have to partition your disk, format your filesystem, after installing knoppix, copy the files/directories to the partition you want, and make changes to your fstab, etc And Knoppix/Mepis only come with KDE and I prefer Gnome, while gnoppix is not ready yet, have to do about 300MB of install from apt-get to get my desktop to the way I like it (almost...) after spending all these times downloading the Knoppix/Mepis and debian ISO already :( Someone please make a good installer (something is going on here, but not ready yet), and start some kind of donation campaign, a la Mandrake Club or something. I'll put my money where my mouth is. I currently already have 3 machines running debian in production, and I'll pay for a good installer for my future installation. Actually, we are evaluating the distros for a client with a 50-server installation in a data center. They gave the hardware specs, and I'm really concerned about the debian installation process. I have always paid for my RH and Mandrake, retail box version though, to encourage them to make good desktop and encourage the stores to carry them. Sorry, long rant. I like the package mgmt though, on the condition that you can get it up and running first. kk --- Mihai P. B. Stiucan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am an RedHat user and now I saw that RedHat is no more available as a ... I need some advices, really. __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian instalation
king kong wrote: Someone please make a good installer (something is going on here, but not ready yet), and start some kind of donation campaign, a la Mandrake Club or something. I'll put my money where my mouth is. I believe it's called Xandros or Libranet. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
