Re: TV over LAN?

2002-03-16 Thread Samuli Suonpaa
Thomas Hessling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Sorry if I made a mistake here, I'm not that familiar with the matter.
 I just wrote how I accomplish it. If I ssh to another machine and start
 mozilla for example, it does only work if I add the remote machine to my
 xhosts list. 

Try 'ssh -X' next time.

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Re: TV over LAN?

2002-03-08 Thread Paul 'Baloo' Johnson
On 8 Mar 2002, Thomas Hessling wrote:

 X forwarding should do it. You might have to add the workstation to your
 laptop's xhost list (xhost +hostname_of_workstation) - depends on your X
 server configuration. Afterwards just ssh to your workstation and run
 the TV program.

I'm thinking audio would be missing or playing out the wrong computer...

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Re: TV over LAN?

2002-03-08 Thread Thomas Hessling
  X forwarding should do it. You might have to add the workstation to your
  laptop's xhost list (xhost +hostname_of_workstation) - depends on your X
  server configuration. Afterwards just ssh to your workstation and run
  the TV program.
 
 What about sound?

You're right, that's a problem. I haven't used audio software with X
forwarding so far but it will probably be played on the wrong computer,
as Paul already said. 


Thomas



Re: TV over LAN?

2002-03-08 Thread Richard Hector
Thomas Hessling wrote:
 
   X forwarding should do it.
 
  What about sound?
 
 You're right, that's a problem. I haven't used audio software with X
 forwarding so far but it will probably be played on the wrong computer,
 as Paul already said.

I believe that's what NCD invented the Network Audio System (NAS) for,
to use with their X terminals. I think it works the same way round; ie
it has a server on the same machine as the X server. I can't find
whether ssh will forward it in the same way as X.

Note that I've never used it.

Richard

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Re: TV over LAN?

2002-03-08 Thread Paul 'Baloo' Johnson
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Richard Hector wrote:

 Note that I've never used it.

I'm not entirely sure anybody did.  I don't think it's offered on
current NCDs...

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Re: TV over LAN?

2002-03-08 Thread Richard Hector
Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
 
 On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Richard Hector wrote:
 
  Note that I've never used it.
 
 I'm not entirely sure anybody did.  I don't think it's offered on
 current NCDs...

Well it's available in both potato and woody (client, server, libraries,
docs), so it must have achieved some level of popularity.

Richard

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Re: TV over LAN?

2002-03-08 Thread Paul 'Baloo' Johnson
On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Richard Hector wrote:

 Well it's available in both potato and woody (client, server, libraries,
 docs), so it must have achieved some level of popularity.

Oh, well, I stand corrected.

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Re: TV over LAN?

2002-03-08 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 01:15:12AM +0100, Thomas Hessling wrote:
 X forwarding should do it. You might have to add the workstation to your
 laptop's xhost list (xhost +hostname_of_workstation) - depends on your X
 server configuration. Afterwards just ssh to your workstation and run
 the TV program.

Last I heard, xhost and X forwarding over ssh were unrelated.  You
only need one or the other, and I would recommend using the ssh
solution, as xhost is rather easily exploitable.  (More practically,
if you've got the spare CPU cycles available, you can have ssh
compress the data stream, which is a Good Thing if you run into
problems with the amount of network bandwidth used by your video
stream.)

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Re: TV over LAN?

2002-03-08 Thread Craig Dickson
begin  Dave Sherohman  quotation:

 Last I heard, xhost and X forwarding over ssh were unrelated.

Definitely; with ssh forwarding, your display actually seems to be on
a local port, so adding the ssh client machine to xhost is irrelevant.

 You
 only need one or the other, and I would recommend using the ssh
 solution, as xhost is rather easily exploitable.

Depends how much you trust the local network. If I'm running X across
the LAN either at home or at the office (we're a very small company),
I just use xhost, because I feel reasonably secure. Across the Internet
(sans VPN) or in a large company, I might prefer ssh forwarding.

I would also expect that not encrypting the traffic has some effect on
performance, though I have never actually tested this.

 (More practically,
 if you've got the spare CPU cycles available, you can have ssh
 compress the data stream, which is a Good Thing if you run into
 problems with the amount of network bandwidth used by your video
 stream.)

This depends on the network bandwidth available, as well as the CPU
power at hand. On a 100 Mb network, I would think that MPEG2 video is
unlikely to be a bandwidth problem unless you have many streams running
at once through the same segments or hubs.

Craig


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Re: TV over LAN?

2002-03-08 Thread Loren Jordan

I did this a while ago...

I am almost afraid to admit this but I used Real Video, set up the free 
evaluation  limited stream count server and the free producer.  The 
producers input was /dev/bt??? (it's been a while but is the same type of 
card as yours) and produced to the local server.


I configured this to produce the 250Kbit stream and just fired up the 
free real player on my linux laptop.  I could site on my couch and watch 
real tv and real-player tv with sound... Pun intended?


Real server can also record (archive) if you want it to, not that a vcr 
or tivo can't do these for you...


Hope this helps.
Loren


The next step was

At 09:25 PM 03/07/2002 +0100, Timo --Blazko-- Boewing wrote:

Hello everyone. This question is not meant that serious, but
nevertheless with interest:

in my LAN i have running a gateway, a workstation and a laptop. The
workstation is equipped with a TV card (BT878) and works just fine.
Is there a way to view TV on my laptop by using the PC and the LAN?

I know this will pollute the LAN, but well, it is my private little one
:-)
Knowing that USB _almost_ ha enough bandwidth for viewing TV i wonder if
i can use my LAN for TV redirection.

Any ideas what ways exist? Maybe simple X forwarding, but are there
other ways (what about xhost/xauth settings)?
My LAN is a normal 100mbit ethernet.

Thanx all,

Timo




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Re: TV over LAN?

2002-03-08 Thread Thomas Hessling
On Fri, 2002-03-08 at 17:27, Dave Sherohman wrote:
 Last I heard, xhost and X forwarding over ssh were unrelated.  You
 only need one or the other, and I would recommend using the ssh
 solution, as xhost is rather easily exploitable.

Sorry if I made a mistake here, I'm not that familiar with the matter.
I just wrote how I accomplish it. If I ssh to another machine and start
mozilla for example, it does only work if I add the remote machine to my
xhosts list. 


Thomas



RE: TV over LAN?

2002-03-08 Thread Brooks R. Robinson

| Hello everyone. This question is not meant that serious, but
| nevertheless with interest:
|
| in my LAN i have running a gateway, a workstation and a laptop. The
| workstation is equipped with a TV card (BT878) and works just fine.
| Is there a way to view TV on my laptop by using the PC and the LAN?
|
| I know this will pollute the LAN, but well, it is my private little one
| :-)
| Knowing that USB _almost_ ha enough bandwidth for viewing TV i wonder if
| i can use my LAN for TV redirection.
|
| Any ideas what ways exist? Maybe simple X forwarding, but are there
| other ways (what about xhost/xauth settings)?
| My LAN is a normal 100mbit ethernet.
|

Has anyone used the camstream package out of woody or better?  It might be
the trick here.



Re: TV over LAN?

2002-03-08 Thread Peter De Wachter
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 09:25:51PM +0100, Timo --Blazko-- Boewing wrote:
 in my LAN i have running a gateway, a workstation and a laptop. The
 workstation is equipped with a TV card (BT878) and works just fine.
 Is there a way to view TV on my laptop by using the PC and the LAN?

VideoLAN sounds kind of useful. From their homepage (www.videolan.org):

 VideoLAN is a project of second-year students at the École Centrale
 Paris. Its purposes are to set up and exploit a very high throughput
 network, in order to broadcast digital video and Video on Demand on the
 campus.
 The VideoLAN Server broadcasts MPEG2 videos on the network. Today,
 possible inputs include DVDs, DVB-S satellite streams, MPEG-1 or MPEG-2
 files, MPEG-2 real-time encoding cards.


Peter De Wachter



Re: TV over LAN?

2002-03-07 Thread Thomas Hessling
Hey Timo,

 in my LAN i have running a gateway, a workstation and a laptop. The
 workstation is equipped with a TV card (BT878) and works just fine.
 Is there a way to view TV on my laptop by using the PC and the LAN?
 [...]
 Any ideas what ways exist? Maybe simple X forwarding, but are there
 other ways (what about xhost/xauth settings)?

X forwarding should do it. You might have to add the workstation to your
laptop's xhost list (xhost +hostname_of_workstation) - depends on your X
server configuration. Afterwards just ssh to your workstation and run
the TV program.


Greets,
Thomas



Re: TV over LAN?

2002-03-07 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 18:15, Thomas Hessling wrote:
 Hey Timo,
 
  in my LAN i have running a gateway, a workstation and a laptop. The
  workstation is equipped with a TV card (BT878) and works just fine.
  Is there a way to view TV on my laptop by using the PC and the LAN?
  [...]
  Any ideas what ways exist? Maybe simple X forwarding, but are there
  other ways (what about xhost/xauth settings)?
 
 X forwarding should do it. You might have to add the workstation to your
 laptop's xhost list (xhost +hostname_of_workstation) - depends on your X
 server configuration. Afterwards just ssh to your workstation and run
 the TV program.

What about sound?

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