Re: [OT] Re: Test Post
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 03:35:38 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 15:27 +, Camaleón wrote: >> On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 01:35:40 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: >> > * Do not send "test" messages to determine whether your mail client >> > is working. >> >> Shouldn't be (or "wouldn't be nice to have", I don't want to sound too >> agressive) a dedicated mailing list for this purpose? > > No! IMO it's ok to sent a test mail. If the subject would be "KMail, > headers are coming through improper" and the mail's body would inquire, > if somebody else experienced the same, it wouldn't offend against the > code of conduct. Then don't be lazy and write *two* separate posts, each of them in their own list where they pertain: if you wnat to ask a question, to debian- user, if you wnat to test your message format, to debian-ml-test ;-) Because doing what you suggest will result in a mailing list (this) full of trash and unuseful posts that helps nobody. And remember that all of the posts are archived to the posterity. That's why a dedicated mailing list for testing is aimed for, to filter out the noise of empty/unrelated messages and keeping the rest of the mailing lists clean. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ju4387$ut2$5...@dough.gmane.org
Re: [OT] Re: Test Post
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 03:35:38AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 15:27 +, Camaleón wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 01:35:40 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > > > * Do not send "test" messages to determine whether your mail client is > > > working. > > > > Shouldn't be (or "wouldn't be nice to have", I don't want to sound too > > agressive) a dedicated mailing list for this purpose? > > No! IMO it's ok to sent a test mail. If the subject would be "KMail, > headers are coming through improper" and the mail's body would inquire, > if somebody else experienced the same, it wouldn't offend against the > code of conduct. Troll. http://www.debian.org/./MailingLists/#codeofconduct * Do not send "test" messages to determine whether your mail client is working. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120717125010.GI12041@tal
Re: [OT] Re: Test Post
On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 15:27 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 01:35:40 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > > * Do not send "test" messages to determine whether your mail client is > > working. > > Shouldn't be (or "wouldn't be nice to have", I don't want to sound too > agressive) a dedicated mailing list for this purpose? No! IMO it's ok to sent a test mail. If the subject would be "KMail, headers are coming through improper" and the mail's body would inquire, if somebody else experienced the same, it wouldn't offend against the code of conduct. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1342488938.2203.14.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: [OT] Re: Test Post
On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 20:14 +0100, Brian wrote: > I'd suggest vgui-discuss as a suitable test-bed. Or debian-devel for > living dangerously. :) How about LKML? Not only for tests, but also for microblogging with links to Facebook, Twitter and last but not least LinkIn. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1342487126.2203.6.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: [OT] Re: Test Post
On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:14:13 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Thu 12 Jul 2012 at 10:22:19 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > >> Camaleón wrote: >> > Shouldn't be (or "wouldn't be nice to have", I don't want to sound >> > too agressive) a dedicated mailing list for this purpose? I mean, for >> > testing how messages will appear before getting into the real >> > "dangerous jungle" and don't disturbing "the beasts" (groaar!) :-) >> >> That would be a welcome addition to the mailing lists. Then instead of >> saying that there are 3,000 members on this mailing list and therefore >> a level of noise reduction is needed, don't send test messages to it, >> we could say please send them to the debian-list-test or some such >> mailing list instead. > > A reasonable and right-thinking person knows what the purpose of any > mailing list is and is aware that posting mails which do not serve the > purpose of the list is ill-mannered and inconsiderate. There can be many reasons for users to post a "test" message into a mailing list (testing the message formatting, testing message reception, testing a new e-mail address...) and I wouldn't tag them as "unreasonable" nor "wrong-thinking" but "cautious". However, I would have added an [OT] in the subject. > A dedicated list for such people is taking it to far. Especially as it > has all the flavour of closing the stable door. Other mailing lists do have it and these dedicated mailing lists are usually easy to maintain as they take not many human/machine resources. > I'd suggest vgui-discuss as a suitable test-bed. Or debian-devel for > living dangerously. :) A testing mailing list that is not listed as it should (e.g., "ml-test") would be effectively hidden for people who searches for such a place; it should be renamed first (of course, I mean "vgui-discuss", renaming debian-devel could lead to the third world war :-P). Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jtpkep$n34$8...@dough.gmane.org
Re: [OT] Re: Test Post
On 20120712_102219, Bob Proulx wrote: > Camaleón wrote: > > Shouldn't be (or "wouldn't be nice to have", I don't want to sound too > > agressive) a dedicated mailing list for this purpose? I mean, for testing > > how messages will appear before getting into the real "dangerous jungle" > > and don't disturbing "the beasts" (groaar!) :-) > > That would be a welcome addition to the mailing lists. Then instead > of saying that there are 3,000 members on this mailing list and > therefore a level of noise reduction is needed, don't send test > messages to it, we could say please send them to the debian-list-test > or some such mailing list instead. > > Bob If this new list ever gets implemented, I suggest that it have some special features, which might reduce the resource drain: 1) There be no archive of messages posted to this special list. 2) Any messages posted to this special list are bounced only to the sender and not to any other subscribers. ;-\ -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120713145905.ga30...@big.lan.gnu
Re: [OT] Re: Test Post
On Thu 12 Jul 2012 at 10:22:19 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > Camaleón wrote: > > Shouldn't be (or "wouldn't be nice to have", I don't want to sound too > > agressive) a dedicated mailing list for this purpose? I mean, for testing > > how messages will appear before getting into the real "dangerous jungle" > > and don't disturbing "the beasts" (groaar!) :-) > > That would be a welcome addition to the mailing lists. Then instead > of saying that there are 3,000 members on this mailing list and > therefore a level of noise reduction is needed, don't send test > messages to it, we could say please send them to the debian-list-test > or some such mailing list instead. A reasonable and right-thinking person knows what the purpose of any mailing list is and is aware that posting mails which do not serve the purpose of the list is ill-mannered and inconsiderate. A dedicated list for such people is taking it to far. Especially as it has all the flavour of closing the stable door. I'd suggest vgui-discuss as a suitable test-bed. Or debian-devel for living dangerously. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120712191413.GB3591@desktop
Re: [OT] Re: Test Post
Camaleón wrote: > Shouldn't be (or "wouldn't be nice to have", I don't want to sound too > agressive) a dedicated mailing list for this purpose? I mean, for testing > how messages will appear before getting into the real "dangerous jungle" > and don't disturbing "the beasts" (groaar!) :-) That would be a welcome addition to the mailing lists. Then instead of saying that there are 3,000 members on this mailing list and therefore a level of noise reduction is needed, don't send test messages to it, we could say please send them to the debian-list-test or some such mailing list instead. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
