Re: Always run apt update before clicking on synaptic ?
Synaptic has a button to (essentially) run "apt update" It's in the upper left corner of the window and labeled "Reload" and if you hover over it, it says "reload the package information to become informed about new, removed or upgraded software packages". HTH! Rick
Re: Always run apt update before clicking on synaptic ?
On 2021-08-15 2:25 p.m., Brian wrote: > On Sun 15 Aug 2021 at 20:13:55 +0200, Roger Price wrote: > >> man synaptic says « It allows you to perform all actions of the command line >> tool apt-get in a graphical environemnt. » >> >> In the help manual I read « Reload the package information to be aware of >> the latest versions available: » >> >> Does this mean that synaptic does _not_ call apt update, and that I should >> always run apt update manually before clicking on synaptic? >> Synaptic is a graphical front end for *apt* If you want to update the package list ( aka do *apt update*) Then you can either do *apt update* from a terminal and CTRL+R in Synaptic to reload the package cache. Or you can simply configure the *Software and update* to do automatic package list update daily or as you configured. So a easy answer is : YES it's better to run *apt-get update* or *apt update* It was a quite easy answer but our dear friend Brian preferred to call you off than to do something useful. Which probably took him as much time as it would have to explain those line. >> Some experiments suggest that this is the case. > > You would have to describe the experiments to have anywhere near a > convincing case that merited close attention. > @Brian Could be good to explain what you mean here ? Not everyone has all the good experience, good answer and years of using computer like the genius you are. I doubt you message had anything useful added here. Just calling people off because you feel that you are better than them doesn't make you a great person, it pushes in the opposite direction. -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Always run apt update before clicking on synaptic ?
On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 21:32:43 +0200 (CEST) Roger Price wrote: Hello Roger, >Thanks to all those who replied. It should have seen and understood >"reload" To be fair, it's not immediately obvious what Reload does. It could just be the displayed list of packages, for example. Especially if you're used to seeing/doing; 'apt(get) update' However, if you leave the mouse to hover over the button, an explanatory note does come up after a moment or two. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent" / _)rad "Is it only me that has a working delete key?" You suck my blood like a leech Death On Two Legs - Queen pgpD0162muaJ0.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Always run apt update before clicking on synaptic ?
On Sun, 15 Aug 2021, Brad Rogers wrote: On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 20:13:55 +0200 (CEST) Roger Price wrote: always run apt update manually before clicking on synaptic? No, just hit Synaptic's reload button. Thanks to all those who replied. It should have seen and understood "reload". Roger
Re: Always run apt update before clicking on synaptic ?
On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 20:45:17 +0200 (CEST), Roger Price wrote: > On Sun, 15 Aug 2021, Brian wrote: > > On Sun 15 Aug 2021 at 20:13:55 +0200, Roger Price wrote: > > > > > Does this mean that synaptic does _not_ call apt update, and that I > > > should always run apt update manually before clicking on synaptic? > > > > > > Some experiments suggest that this is the case. > > > > You would have to describe the experiments to have anywhere near a > > convincing case that merited close attention. > > 1. I added "contrib non-free" to the deb lines in /etc/apt/sources.list > 2. I ran synaptic, searched for "nvidia", and saw only 4 items. > 3. I ran apt update > 4. I ran synaptic, searched for "nvidia", and saw approximately 200 items. This is what you are missing: in synaptic, you should always run 'Edit > Reload Package Information' or Ctrl-R before upgrading. It does the same as 'apt update'.
Re: Always run apt update before clicking on synaptic ?
On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 20:13:55 +0200 (CEST) Roger Price wrote: Hello Roger, >always run apt update manually before clicking on synaptic? No, just hit Synaptic's reload button. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent" / _)rad "Is it only me that has a working delete key?" Just stop and take a second U & Ur Hand - P!nk pgpNxRhpT3BWg.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Always run apt update before clicking on synaptic ?
On Sun, 15 Aug 2021, Brian wrote: On Sun 15 Aug 2021 at 20:13:55 +0200, Roger Price wrote: Does this mean that synaptic does _not_ call apt update, and that I should always run apt update manually before clicking on synaptic? Some experiments suggest that this is the case. You would have to describe the experiments to have anywhere near a convincing case that merited close attention. 1. I added "contrib non-free" to the deb lines in /etc/apt/sources.list 2. I ran synaptic, searched for "nvidia", and saw only 4 items. 3. I ran apt update 4. I ran synaptic, searched for "nvidia", and saw approximately 200 items. Roger
Re: Always run apt update before clicking on synaptic ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, August 15, 2021 12:13 PM, Roger Price wrote: > Does this mean that synaptic does not call apt update, and that I should > always run apt update manually before clicking on synaptic? Not sure, but I think so. Synaptic has to have a list of the most recent software to do it's installing properly. And it comes up too quickly to be checking for updates. -- Glenn English -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: ProtonMail wsBzBAEBCAAGBQJhGV+VACEJEJ/XhjGCrIwyFiEELKJzD0JScCVjQA2Xn9eG MYKsjDLouQf/arRyeR2fYwhxZGoSSz48DfCPeG3a4Stz1cRt/jsdmqDK6xY+ XAsfO+mbZV7IyeyScWTKjNYeGJU+FnHUgoPOzzhAIfNKloozxmSt0qjFDjm5 vU528j3BINH94+UmpG3xq5Ei4UuH7Zudxr/qom7S2jnZAVutJHhnaUgcKOYN vMQBECwyXtyeMiO9IRaYD7X42lhY7hdO+MdBFRVOI2RHOAzfa59pImS/0eYJ 5g0SzzHlZLeH1EqfDgr89uBgWfXbZpae3gliu7LcnELUmCXVfcel3IpLsSWA ZytVKL5qnkP7KCurQYlRfX6E9QZKzFhPGKdEX136sM+IcpsikKLs7Q== =XTiN -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Always run apt update before clicking on synaptic ?
On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 20:13:55 +0200 (CEST) Roger Price wrote: > man synaptic says « It allows you to perform all actions of the > command line tool apt-get in a graphical environemnt. » > > In the help manual I read « Reload the package information to be > aware of the latest versions available: » > > Does this mean that synaptic does _not_ call apt update, and that I > should always run apt update manually before clicking on synaptic? > > Some experiments suggest that this is the case. > No idea if things have changed recently, but I have in the past used Synaptic to do routine upgrades. That simply wouldn't work if it didn't update first, presumably when it starts up. If you were to leave Synaptic running on unstable all day and wanted to fully upgrade at the end of the day, it would be wise to use Reload first. -- Joe
Re: Always run apt update before clicking on synaptic ?
On Sun 15 Aug 2021 at 20:13:55 +0200, Roger Price wrote: > man synaptic says « It allows you to perform all actions of the command line > tool apt-get in a graphical environemnt. » > > In the help manual I read « Reload the package information to be aware of > the latest versions available: » > > Does this mean that synaptic does _not_ call apt update, and that I should > always run apt update manually before clicking on synaptic? > > Some experiments suggest that this is the case. You would have to describe the experiments to have anywhere near a convincing case that merited close attention. -- Brian.
