Re: Bio-Based Fuels (OT: a dumb query? pls humor me)
Am 2007-02-27 06:08:47, schrieb Andy Smith: > On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 10:42:22PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: > > Sorry, for the "Off-Topic" ness of this post. I guess we are being > > admonished for far too much of this. > > It's interesting that in the relatively few wildly off-topic threads > that constitute a large proportion of the mails to this list, the > same names keep popping up. Thats normaly because the others have already installed a procmailrecipe: --- :0 * ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * ^Subject:*a dumb query\? pls humor me /dev/null --- Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Bio-Based Fuels
Am 2007-03-04 22:42:28, schrieb Ron Johnson: > Well... the Muslim world sure *does* seem so superior to The West. > > Thus begs the question: when are *you* moving southeast? I am under contract with the french Government up to 2007-07 and then I will migrate to Iran or Turkey... Doing some stuff in renewable energies like Bio-Fuel (based on Sunflowers and Rape) plus Photo-Pholtaik. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Bio-Based Fuels
Hello Arnt, I am PMC (Private Military Contractor) and I do dataretention about USA, Great Britan and Israel in conjunction with Africa, Near- and Middle East. Debian and Informatic is only my secondary job. I like you, because you are one of those WHO know the truth and you talk about it even of others do not want to believe it! I can confirm ALL what you have written. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Bio-Based Fuels (OT: a dumb query? pls humor me)
On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 22:42 -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 17:38 -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: > > Algae based Bio-Diesel. 110,000 square miles of "useless desert" flooded > > with salt water and seeded with a certain algae > > Oops, just went through the TOME summary, its 11,000 square miles. Or > about: > > 0.310959514% of the 3,537,438 square miles the US has. > > Sorry, for the "Off-Topic" ness of this post. I guess we are being > admonished for far too much of this. Welp, http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/business/06algae.html Looks like the wagon is starting the journey. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bio-Based Fuels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/04/07 17:30, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:49:53 -0500, Greg wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 14:56 -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: >>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:38:49PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 16:22 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] > > ..all this because Muslim style no-interest-rate share-the-profits > kinda capitalism is superior to Western interest rate capitalism in > democracies, once you have competent investors and demand for > industrially competent media rather than the current crop of > Britney-hair-doo chasers. > [snip] > > ..this also shows the one important exception to the rule Muslim > Capitalism is better for Mankind, the average investor will suffer Well... the Muslim world sure *does* seem so superior to The West. Thus begs the question: when are *you* moving southeast? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFF65+0S9HxQb37XmcRAq18AKDt/myzYQH8zh5lmp6OiFOxiwH12gCfUe4B Wvpq2syns5EUZ7JVFHTRmbY= =k5lh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bio-Based Fuels
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:49:53 -0500, Greg wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 14:56 -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:38:49PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: > > > On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 16:22 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > Bio-fuels *are* a great idea. > > > > > > > > Until you realize *how much* gasoline & diesel this country uses > > > > (then add 3x more to that for the rest of the world), and the > > > > fact that stuff like corn ethanol needs lots of (*petrolem* > > > > based) fertilizer. > > > > > > > > (However, sugar cane ethanol in Brazil is a *great* idea, > > > > because of cane's higher sugar density, Brazil's proximity to > > > > the equator and lower population). > > > > > > Based on things I have researched and processing systems I have > > > seen and actually went through the motions of getting the > > > nitty-gritty on. > > > > > > Algae based Bio-Diesel. 110,000 square miles of "useless desert" > > > flooded with salt water and seeded with a certain algae... would > > > supply enough Biofuel for all vehicles (provided all current > > > vehicles were converted to diesel) in the US with about a 25% > > > energy return on energy used to process it and transport to > > > filling centers. > > > > there is an algae that supposedly has something like 80% "oil" > > content as that is what makes it float. is this the same stuff? > > There is more than one kind, but yes. They are ~80% "Bio-oil". More > oil than any other plant. And they grow like an aggressive virus in a > susceptible sick host. ..ouch, a CO2 sink that can help fix the green house heatup problem, "we can't have that." > Basically there is about a 5-7 month ramp up. By the time you harvest > all of the area, you should probably should have started 6 months ago. > > We are talking an HUGE up-front cost... and lots of lobbying from Big > Oil and conservationists and so on. If big oil were to realize the > payback and how quickly it would work. The conservationist should have > bigger fish to fry, but they won't. ..very true, BTDT, only in thermochemical gasification. ..now, it looks like the quickest and probably best way is let the Muslims deliver spank Hezbollah style. I will have to see W and crew dangle from nooses like Saddam and Israel leave the Middle East on EU funding for Alaska, Utah or Sirbiria, and in full compliance to the full 4 Geneva Conventions,_ before_ _I_ will believe in "quartet peace talks" there. ..only _after_ I see this, will I be able to thruthfully tell Muslims "they do not need nukes." Meanwhile, they need to defend themselves. This is because white man has proven himself a _very_ capable genocider. ..the root cause is not that the "UN gave Israel to the Jews". The root cause is the UN stole it from the (mostly Muslim) Filistinians, and covered up this fact by calling it "Palestine" to deny the people there their lawful right to their own home, "where are the Palestinians in the holy Bible?". ..all this because Muslim style no-interest-rate share-the-profits kinda capitalism is superior to Western interest rate capitalism in democracies, once you have competent investors and demand for industrially competent media rather than the current crop of Britney-hair-doo chasers. ..point in case, Greg, you wanna ask your investor "I have an idea, you have the money to make it work. Can we create a profitable business?" To answer that, he will have to find out what the hell your idea really is and what it can do, and figure out what kinda deal he can offer you. And if you don't like it, you will take your business, elsewhere. ..this also shows the one important exception to the rule Muslim Capitalism is better for Mankind, the average investor will suffer when he can no longer just rely on Microsoft Excel, he will have to work a lot harder to earn a lot less, as all the micro etc upwards finance markets mature. All you need is peace, justice, freedom of speech and a coupla decades to mature this kinda capitalism. ..the Current UN Fix: Steal and rename a country, then trick an old foe into gas and scare the Jews "home." Always, always, always follow the money. ..and comes from a citizen of a country which profits like _crazy_ from these war crimes. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bio-Based Fuels (OT: a dumb query? pls humor me)
On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 06:08 +, Andy Smith wrote: > On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 10:42:22PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: > > Sorry, for the "Off-Topic" ness of this post. I guess we are being > > admonished for far too much of this. > > It's interesting that in the relatively few wildly off-topic threads > that constitute a large proportion of the mails to this list, the > same names keep popping up. Go back a few years on this list. Oh, wait you've been posting since 2005... I bow down to your masterful prose. I'll now recuse myself. I see you are the B357 at advice, from your message. There is no point. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bio-Based Fuels (OT: a dumb query? pls humor me)
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 10:42:22PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: > Sorry, for the "Off-Topic" ness of this post. I guess we are being > admonished for far too much of this. It's interesting that in the relatively few wildly off-topic threads that constitute a large proportion of the mails to this list, the same names keep popping up. -- http://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting Encrypted mail welcome - keyid 0x604DE5DB signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bio-Based Fuels (OT: a dumb query? pls humor me)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 21:42, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 17:38 -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: >> Algae based Bio-Diesel. 110,000 square miles of "useless desert" flooded >> with salt water and seeded with a certain algae > > Oops, just went through the TOME summary, its 11,000 square miles. Or > about: > > 0.310959514% of the 3,537,438 square miles the US has. > > Sorry, for the "Off-Topic" ness of this post. I guess we are being > admonished for far too much of this. Better exclude Alaska and Hawaii. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFF47sQS9HxQb37XmcRAmXGAKC4mVm1/wuBh74m1W4QMhkSzNOTvwCdHy6u NJzM7oJUC24YUX7aQmKqp2A= =v2ZS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bio-Based Fuels (OT: a dumb query? pls humor me)
On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 17:38 -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: > Algae based Bio-Diesel. 110,000 square miles of "useless desert" flooded > with salt water and seeded with a certain algae Oops, just went through the TOME summary, its 11,000 square miles. Or about: 0.310959514% of the 3,537,438 square miles the US has. Sorry, for the "Off-Topic" ness of this post. I guess we are being admonished for far too much of this. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bio-Based Fuels (OT: a dumb query? pls humor me)
On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 18:08 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/26/07 16:38, Greg Folkert wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 16:22 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > [snip] > > > > Algae based Bio-Diesel. 110,000 square miles of "useless desert" flooded > > with salt water and seeded with a certain algae... would supply enough > > Yeah, right. Like the NRDC wouldn't squeal like a herd of stuck > pigs at the very thought of it. Well, they are talking about GREEN. NRDC should not complain, it is 100% renewable in less than 1 year should be continuously available and renewable. 25% more energy returned than used to produce it. If not for use in automotive realm, what about electricity generation? It'd be better than Coal... particulate from Bio-Diesel should be less than a coal based generator and much more capable turbine fuel. Bah, it'll never happen... ethanol (which takes 7% more energy to make than it produces) is being pushed HARD. Heck, even sugar beets are better than Corn. But those that go against ADM are going to feel it sooner or later (sooner is more likely) -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bio-Based Fuels (OT: a dumb query? pls humor me)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 16:38, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 16:22 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] > > Algae based Bio-Diesel. 110,000 square miles of "useless desert" flooded > with salt water and seeded with a certain algae... would supply enough Yeah, right. Like the NRDC wouldn't squeal like a herd of stuck pigs at the very thought of it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFF43ZrS9HxQb37XmcRAgA+AKCXkRcotyu09hL+htzVaY7zTIbgCQCdGBDo NaMSQqFBPHQIsuFIu5+IaVo= =yIjH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bio-Based Fuels
On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 14:56 -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:38:49PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 16:22 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > Bio-fuels *are* a great idea. > > > > > > Until you realize *how much* gasoline & diesel this country uses > > > (then add 3x more to that for the rest of the world), and the fact > > > that stuff like corn ethanol needs lots of (*petrolem* based) > > > fertilizer. > > > > > > (However, sugar cane ethanol in Brazil is a *great* idea, because of > > > cane's higher sugar density, Brazil's proximity to the equator and > > > lower population). > > > > Based on things I have researched and processing systems I have seen and > > actually went through the motions of getting the nitty-gritty on. > > > > Algae based Bio-Diesel. 110,000 square miles of "useless desert" flooded > > with salt water and seeded with a certain algae... would supply enough > > Biofuel for all vehicles (provided all current vehicles were converted > > to diesel) in the US with about a 25% energy return on energy used to > > process it and transport to filling centers. > > there is an algae that supposedly has something like 80% "oil" content > as that is what makes it float. is this the same stuff? There is more than one kind, but yes. They are ~80% "Bio-oil". More oil than any other plant. And they grow like an aggressive virus in a susceptible sick host. Basically there is about a 5-7 month ramp up. By the time you harvest all of the area, you should probably should have started 6 months ago. We are talking an HUGE up-front cost... and lots of lobbying from Big Oil and conservationists and so on. If big oil were to realize the payback and how quickly it would work. The conservationist should have bigger fish to fry, but they won't. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bio-Based Fuels (OT: a dumb query? pls humor me)
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:38:49PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 16:22 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Bio-fuels *are* a great idea. > > > > Until you realize *how much* gasoline & diesel this country uses > > (then add 3x more to that for the rest of the world), and the fact > > that stuff like corn ethanol needs lots of (*petrolem* based) > > fertilizer. > > > > (However, sugar cane ethanol in Brazil is a *great* idea, because of > > cane's higher sugar density, Brazil's proximity to the equator and > > lower population). > > Based on things I have researched and processing systems I have seen and > actually went through the motions of getting the nitty-gritty on. > > Algae based Bio-Diesel. 110,000 square miles of "useless desert" flooded > with salt water and seeded with a certain algae... would supply enough > Biofuel for all vehicles (provided all current vehicles were converted > to diesel) in the US with about a 25% energy return on energy used to > process it and transport to filling centers. there is an algae that supposedly has something like 80% "oil" content as that is what makes it float. is this the same stuff? A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bio-Based Fuels (OT: a dumb query? pls humor me)
On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 16:22 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > Bio-fuels *are* a great idea. > > Until you realize *how much* gasoline & diesel this country uses > (then add 3x more to that for the rest of the world), and the fact > that stuff like corn ethanol needs lots of (*petrolem* based) > fertilizer. > > (However, sugar cane ethanol in Brazil is a *great* idea, because of > cane's higher sugar density, Brazil's proximity to the equator and > lower population). Based on things I have researched and processing systems I have seen and actually went through the motions of getting the nitty-gritty on. Algae based Bio-Diesel. 110,000 square miles of "useless desert" flooded with salt water and seeded with a certain algae... would supply enough Biofuel for all vehicles (provided all current vehicles were converted to diesel) in the US with about a 25% energy return on energy used to process it and transport to filling centers. There is a lot more to it, about 8,000 pages to read and wrap your head around. Then you get to the business models based on it. I'd need some OTHER person able to really grab the business model. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
