Re: Clean hamm installation
No, I never used --force-blah. The trouble was that I had xdm going, and my video card cannot start X more than once (unless there is a reboot in between) - my card is a Diamond Stealth 3000 3D. Also, I had followed the upgrade mini-HOWTO, but had not upgraded libgdbm and perl (since this was only 'suggested' by the HOWTO - as opposed to being said to be necessary). Because of this, a lot of packages were having many troubles configuring themselves (I know that this occurs anyway, but it seemed much worse this time). Then, the install stopped and started xdm and my machine hung. I have to press 'reset' at this time (there is no other way to bring it back). When the machine rebooted, it was in an unusable state. I suppose I could have brought it back (I tried several suggestions offered on the lists, but that just got me to another problem, and another, and another). After this, I gave up and retinstalled. This was not too bad, because my installation was quite old and was not entirely 'clean' (beacuse I had learned to use Debian on this machine). Its just too bad - I had had it going since buzz... I think that, if I had waited a week (and kept up with debian-user), I would have had no troubles. I am just wondering about those people out there who are not reading the mailing list... Paul On 16-Jan-98 Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 1998 at 03:15:14PM -0700, Paul Rightley wrote: Yes, I understand very well NOW that there are no hamm disks yet. My point was that this upgrade of Debian is really expecting a lot of typical Debian users. At first glance, I thought that disks under dists/unstable/main/disks-i386 would actually belong to the unstable distribution. It is such slight perception that can really make things difficult for most users. For instance, Scott Ellis' Mini-HOWTO is very good - I followed all of the portions of it that called out specific packages and that didn't seem like suggestions (as opposed to necessary steps). In this case, I did not upgrade libgdm1 and perl and due to another (slight) circumstance, was left with an unusable system after I launched dselect. Did you ever use --force-blah with dpkg? Was it ever possible to hose your system without using --force-blah? I upgraded my system before Scott's HOWTO was written; at that stage it was fairly simple and all the dependencies seemed to prevent me from doing anything wrong. IIRC, it was basically a case of installing new ld.so, removing the libc5 -dev libraries, installing libc6, installing the hamm non-g libraries, then installing the hamm g libraries, then anything else, like bash. For a while I only upgraded the libraries (just to support running new libc6 stuff from hamm), not bothering with existing packages. Never any sign of trouble. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- Paul Rightley DX-3 Hydrodynamics, MS P940 Los Alamos National LaboratoryLos Alamos, NM 87545 Phone: (505)667-0460 Fax: (505)665-3359 -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Clean hamm installation
On 15-Jan-98 Ben Pfaff wrote: Is it already possible to install a new system directly with hamm? I need to do an install tonight, and want it to be hamm. There aren't an hamm boot disks yet. You have to install bo, then upgrade. I wish that this were the case... Unfortunately, under dists/unstable/main/disks-i386/current, there are boot disks. I now understand that, but I didn't this weekend -- when I was installing Debian at home. So far, I will say that upgrading from libc5 to libc6 has required that I completely reinstall two systems (both of which had been going since just previous to Debian 1.1 days). I will not go into detail regarding the problems I had except to say that I didn't HAVE to reinstall, but it surprised me that even a relative Debian verteran was caught up so effectively - I really think that the unpgrade script may solve some of the troubles. Just had to get a load off - still think Debian is head-and- shoulders above the other distributions (besides, this time I could reinstall and feel good about setting up tripwire and a couple other security measures), Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Clean hamm installation
On Fri, Jan 16, 1998 at 10:07:33AM -0700, Paul Rightley wrote: On 15-Jan-98 Ben Pfaff wrote: Is it already possible to install a new system directly with hamm? I need to do an install tonight, and want it to be hamm. There aren't an hamm boot disks yet. You have to install bo, then upgrade. I wish that this were the case... Unfortunately, under dists/unstable/main/disks-i386/current, there are boot disks. I now understand that, but I didn't this weekend -- uhm, if you look more carefully, you'll notice that the /ac121/linux/distributions/debian/hamm/hamm/disks-i386/current is actually a link to: ../../../bo/disks-i386/current which are the bo disks. So in fact there are NO hamm disks (yet). -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Clean hamm installation
Yes, I understand very well NOW that there are no hamm disks yet. My point was that this upgrade of Debian is really expecting a lot of typical Debian users. At first glance, I thought that disks under dists/unstable/main/disks-i386 would actually belong to the unstable distribution. It is such slight perception that can really make things difficult for most users. For instance, Scott Ellis' Mini-HOWTO is very good - I followed all of the portions of it that called out specific packages and that didn't seem like suggestions (as opposed to necessary steps). In this case, I did not upgrade libgdm1 and perl and due to another (slight) circumstance, was left with an unusable system after I launched dselect. The crux of my statement was to say that I have used Debian a long time. I keep up (pretty much) with debian-user. And yet, I was stung HARD by the upgrade to unstable. I do not want to imply that I feel wronged - it IS unstable after all. I am just trying to say that this upgrade has a long way to go before it doesn't turn off a lot of typical Linux/Debian users. I still tell everyone that Debian is the greatest Linux distribution. Paul On 16-Jan-98 Norbert Veber wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 1998 at 10:07:33AM -0700, Paul Rightley wrote: On 15-Jan-98 Ben Pfaff wrote: Is it already possible to install a new system directly with hamm? I need to do an install tonight, and want it to be hamm. There aren't an hamm boot disks yet. You have to install bo, then upgrade. I wish that this were the case... Unfortunately, under dists/unstable/main/disks-i386/current, there are boot disks. I now understand that, but I didn't this weekend -- uhm, if you look more carefully, you'll notice that the /ac121/linux/distributions/debian/hamm/hamm/disks-i386/current is actually a link to: ../../../bo/disks-i386/current which are the bo disks. So in fact there are NO hamm disks (yet). -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Clean hamm installation
On Fri, Jan 16, 1998 at 03:15:14PM -0700, Paul Rightley wrote: Yes, I understand very well NOW that there are no hamm disks yet. My point was that this upgrade of Debian is really expecting a lot of typical Debian users. At first glance, I thought that disks under dists/unstable/main/disks-i386 would actually belong to the unstable distribution. It is such slight perception that can really make things difficult for most users. For instance, Scott Ellis' Mini-HOWTO is very good - I followed all of the portions of it that called out specific packages and that didn't seem like suggestions (as opposed to necessary steps). In this case, I did not upgrade libgdm1 and perl and due to another (slight) circumstance, was left with an unusable system after I launched dselect. Did you ever use --force-blah with dpkg? Was it ever possible to hose your system without using --force-blah? I upgraded my system before Scott's HOWTO was written; at that stage it was fairly simple and all the dependencies seemed to prevent me from doing anything wrong. IIRC, it was basically a case of installing new ld.so, removing the libc5 -dev libraries, installing libc6, installing the hamm non-g libraries, then installing the hamm g libraries, then anything else, like bash. For a while I only upgraded the libraries (just to support running new libc6 stuff from hamm), not bothering with existing packages. Never any sign of trouble. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Clean hamm installation
On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Maarten Boekhold wrote: I noticed that the hamm/main/disks-i386/current directory points to bo/disks-i386/current. Does this mean that I can install a clean libc6 system using those install disks? Or would a better approach be to install a minimal bo system and then upgrade? Base disks are in the works. In the mean time, install bo first and upgrade (I'd suggest trying the script). Brandon -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Clean hamm installation
Is it already possible to install a new system directly with hamm? I need to do an install tonight, and want it to be hamm. There aren't an hamm boot disks yet. You have to install bo, then upgrade. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Clean hamm installation
Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Maarten Boekhold wrote: I noticed that the hamm/main/disks-i386/current directory points to bo/disks-i386/current. Does this mean that I can install a clean libc6 system using those install disks? Or would a better approach be to install a minimal bo system and then upgrade? Base disks are in the works. In the mean time, install bo first and upgrade (I'd suggest trying the script). There is no need to install the entire Bo dist. Install only the Bo base system using the base floppies. At the end of the installation process dselect is started. Quit immediately, and do a manual bo-hamm upgrade of the base system (by using the script or the howto). When then the base system is upgraded to libc6 you can start dselect again and point it to the hamm dist. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
