Re: debian issues
On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 at 23:30 GMT, jake+karen=liam penned: Hi I am running two(2) operating systems Debian Linux and Windows 98. My hard drive is partitioned into six (6) sectors. One sector is formatted as FAT32, this is to be shared by both systems. The problem is that either system cannot read the files the other system put on the harddisk. Any suggestions. I think you'll need to give us a little more detail before anyone can help. For starters, the contents of the /etc/fstab in question. Also, I think sectors has a special meaning when it comes to hard drives. I think the appropriate word here is partitions. -- monique -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pseudo-image method .list files (was Re: Debian Issues!!)
On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 11:56:20AM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 02:18:03PM +0100, Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I guess Jaimos is thinking that it's worth cutting down the .list files to only the packages you need. In fact, unless you're short on CDs, it's not worth the trouble: regardless of what you have on the CDs, you only ever have to install the packages you want, plus their dependencies. The .list files don't control what's actually installed on the final system. .list files being something specific to the p-Image method? Yes. As I remember, they consist of lists of files to be written to the CD image. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Issues!!
Jaimos F. Skriletz, You need to do a checksum on your download, wether you are retrieveing a binary file as text. Welcome to Debian Linux 3 days is a short time to spend in this kingdom, Gandolf. Jaimos F. Skriletz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said thusly on [27/07/01 at 23:44]: To whom it may concern, Hello, I'm tradionally a Window's 98 OS user and am currently in the project of teaching myself linux and wanting to learn how to use its operating Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go. (Thomas Stearns Eliot, aka T. S. Eliot)
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Jaimos F. Skriletz, You should not have an opinion on Debian till you see it at work. Jaimos F. Skriletz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said thusly on [27/07/01 at 23:44]: to understand why I've been told its so great, for my opinion of now is not that high, Jaimos F. Skriletz When I wake up in the morning, I start working. When I go to bed at night, I stop working. --Angeline Machipisa, Zimbabwe
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Israel Evans, The connection is definetly a problem.. Israel Evans ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said thusly on [28/07/01 at 00:54]: Hello, I bet your connection might be a problem. If you get stuck on Getting. You might want to try using a different mirror to download from. I don't know how helpfull this is, but I hope it helps. Maybe someone who know a scrap about this crazy linux stuff will have more info. ~Israel~ I vote for beer. -- Phillip Jimeno, Maryland state senator, on his recommendation for the official state drink, 1997.
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| | to begin this project, but little to my knowledge, I have spent the | last three days reading though your FAQ's, readme files, etc trying to | figure out how to get the image which should be a simple afair, yet | failing miserabbaly and I have the following comments/complaints I | hope you will at least consider about your system. | | The docs could be better organized. However, this list is populated | with folks who've been through most of the pains themselves, strongly | recommended you ask first. We're usually pretty helpful, or so I hear. Yeah, just look at all the responses you've gotten already (and no flames :-)). and another big pro for debian I have a problem with my RH 7.1 bal bla postet to this list will increase the risk of getting flamed ;-) | First I will like to say that your meathod is intivative and I | understand your issues of wanting to save banwith, also after thinking what kind of bandwidth do I save with the pseudo-image-kit ? Just download the iso with a ftp client witch can resume and your done. Do I miss something ? Anyway A nice way IMO ist the following: Download the right 2.88 mb boot-floppy image and base2_2.tgz (~50mb) from somemirror.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current Burn a CD with the floppy-image as boot-image and the base2_2.tgz as a regular file on the CD. Boot from the CD install the basesystem from the CD. This gives you a running linuxsystem where you can mess around with the usual tools to make your modem/lan working if they don't do already. by 'installer-magic' . Configure apt to use your pref. mirror and anything additional to this starter-kit-linux is now just apt-get install package away. (If you don't intend to keep it slim use dselect ;) I'd say *this* saves bandwidth just to give some ideas pascal Ps: perfekt way to jump right to testing as well
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Hi I'm afraid I 'cheat' and grab the iso direct from http://www.linuxiso.org which lists Debian right at the top (as it should be ;-) ). I did look into getting it the Debian way, but decided to go with linuxiso.org as it was easier and they're geared up for that sort of demand. I'm happy enough for the debian mirrors retaining their bandwidth so my dist-upgrade's can go through more quickly[1] ;-) Regards, Martin [1] Especially as I'm still on dial-up at home - though fortunately unmetered with 29Mb coming through at present ;-) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dbg400.net DBG/400 - DataBase Generation utilities Open Source test environment tools for the AS/400 / iSeries and miscellaneous database spooled file management commands.
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pascal weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what kind of bandwidth do I save with the pseudo-image-kit ? Just download the iso with a ftp client witch can resume and your done. Do I miss something ? It doesn't save *you* bandwidth, it helps out the load on the mirrors. That (at least in theory) is the point of the pseudo-image kit: you can download the packages from a local mirror as normal, and mirrors don't have to keep enormous .iso files around. That said, while I did get the pseudo-image kit working last time I needed to, I was working from a GNU/Linux system to start with. I can imagine that doing it from Cygwin or similar would be pretty stressful. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Issues!!
Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 03:51:14PM -0700, Jaimos F. Skriletz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: First I will like to say that your meathod is intivative and I understand your issues of wanting to save banwith, also after thinking about your meathod of using the .list file to direct what pacakages will be installed on the machince, I see that for a knowledgable Debian user it could be advantage to spelizise that list to get the maximum performace out of your operating system which is the final goal of most devout users in my opion, but now on to my problems Huh? I guess Jaimos is thinking that it's worth cutting down the .list files to only the packages you need. In fact, unless you're short on CDs, it's not worth the trouble: regardless of what you have on the CDs, you only ever have to install the packages you want, plus their dependencies. The .list files don't control what's actually installed on the final system. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Issues!!
On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 02:14:27PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: | pascal weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | what kind of bandwidth do I save with the pseudo-image-kit ? | Just download the iso with a ftp client witch can resume and your done. | Do I miss something ? | | It doesn't save *you* bandwidth, it helps out the load on the mirrors. | That (at least in theory) is the point of the pseudo-image kit: you can | download the packages from a local mirror as normal, and mirrors don't | have to keep enormous .iso files around. Yep, though in practice if someone (not to mention any names wink) bypasses the psuedo-image process and jumps straight to rsync I think it will actually increase the load on the server because it has to compute a checksum for each portion of the .iso, then transmit the entire iso anyways. -D
pseudo-image method .list files (was Re: Debian Issues!!)
on Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 02:18:03PM +0100, Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 03:51:14PM -0700, Jaimos F. Skriletz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: First I will like to say that your meathod is intivative and I understand your issues of wanting to save banwith, also after thinking about your meathod of using the .list file to direct what pacakages will be installed on the machince, I see that for a knowledgable Debian user it could be advantage to spelizise that list to get the maximum performace out of your operating system which is the final goal of most devout users in my opion, but now on to my problems Huh? I guess Jaimos is thinking that it's worth cutting down the .list files to only the packages you need. In fact, unless you're short on CDs, it's not worth the trouble: regardless of what you have on the CDs, you only ever have to install the packages you want, plus their dependencies. The .list files don't control what's actually installed on the final system. .list files being something specific to the p-Image method? As I said before, I haven't tried it myself, just mostly heard from those who've found it broken. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org Free Dmitry!! Boycott Adobe!! Repeal the DMCA!! http://www.freedmitry.org pgp82wIWLaz3d.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Debian Issues!!
Hello, I'm involved in the same process as you at the moment. Maybe my experience with this will help you, maybe not. I've just successfully created the .iso image. and it did seem strange at first, but I finally got everything to work. It may be that your connection is wacky and that might be causing your frustrations. I'm not terribly proficient with bashes or shells of any sort. I'm a Mac refuge living in the Windows world and an artist to boot! The first step was getting the addresses to the two servers. The first was the package server, the second was the Image server. I found it useful to track down the exact location of the files i wanted in the web browser before entering them into the dos shell. I used, ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ for the package server and I tell you! What a connection! I downloaded the entire dist in just over 3 hours. I was of course doing this at work with a lovely t1. for the image server I had to find a rather nasty long address like; rsync.kernel.org::pub/mirrors/debian-cd/2.2_rev3/i386/binary-i396-1.iso . After getting these two straight I didn't seem to have any problems. I bet your connection might be a problem. If you get stuck on Getting. You might want to try using a different mirror to download from. I don't know how helpfull this is, but I hope it helps. Maybe someone who know a scrap about this crazy linux stuff will have more info. ~Israel~
Re: Debian Issues!!
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 03:51:14PM -0700, Jaimos F. Skriletz wrote: cash to spare) to begin this project, but little to my knowledge, I have spent the last three days reading though your FAQ's, readme files, etc trying to figure out how to get the image which should be a simple afair, yet failing miserabbaly and I have the following comments/complaints I hope you will at least consider about your system. I agree with you on this one. The maze of questions that you are forced to go through on the cdimage website is a royal pain in the ass. Now I can understand that some people may need to be guided, but some people just know they want the ISO, and don't care about trying to answer the questions in such a way as to actually find out how to do that. Maybe enough complaints will get this taken care of. I know that when I call a company and get one of those Push #1 for foo, I really like getting the option that just says Press 0 to speak with a real person. This is what we need for the cdimages, a direct link to the ISO's. Ben -- .--===-=-==-=---==-=-. / Ben Collins -- ...on that fantastic voyage... -- Debian GNU/Linux \ ` [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' `---=--===-=-=-=-===-==---=--=---'
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Or better yet, an an online script that takes care of the whole process for you! Or at least some of it, well maybe a little bit. ok, well, I'll just go read the Howto files a dozen more times. :) ~Israel~ -Original Message- From: Ben Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 5:19 PM To: Jaimos F. Skriletz Cc: debian-cd@lists.debian.org; debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian Issues!! On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 03:51:14PM -0700, Jaimos F. Skriletz wrote: cash to spare) to begin this project, but little to my knowledge, I have spent the last three days reading though your FAQ's, readme files, etc trying to figure out how to get the image which should be a simple afair, yet failing miserabbaly and I have the following comments/complaints I hope you will at least consider about your system. I agree with you on this one. The maze of questions that you are forced to go through on the cdimage website is a royal pain in the ass. Now I can understand that some people may need to be guided, but some people just know they want the ISO, and don't care about trying to answer the questions in such a way as to actually find out how to do that. Maybe enough complaints will get this taken care of. I know that when I call a company and get one of those Push #1 for foo, I really like getting the option that just says Press 0 to speak with a real person. This is what we need for the cdimages, a direct link to the ISO's. Ben -- .--===-=-==-=---==-=-. / Ben Collins -- ...on that fantastic voyage... -- Debian GNU/Linux \ ` [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' `---=--===-=-=-=-===-==---=--=---' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Issues!!
on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 03:51:14PM -0700, Jaimos F. Skriletz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: To whom it may concern, Hello, I'm tradionally a Window's 98 OS user and am currently in the nit Spell checking on long rants is strongly recommended. /nit project of teaching myself linux and wanting to learn how to use its operating system. After talking to some of my friends who are devout linux users, I have recived advice that Debian is one of the best issues of linux to use, so I have decided that I will follow their advice and install Debian on my old computer and begin learning how to use it. Debian is generally not considered the *easiest* distro to install and/or get started with. It's generally one of the more *maintainable* distros. After your first few months of agony, maintenance is the main issue facing sysadmins. My current computer I'm using is a newer P3, and has a CD-burner on it so I decided to goto Debian's homepage and try to download the iso image in order to burn myself a copy of the Debian instalitation disc so I can install the operating system upon my computer Not necessary, and almost certainly not preferable. Debian's installation can be accomplished by a number of means, docs start at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/#new-inst And, specifically, for x86 installations: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install In particular, there's more than one way to do it, you'll want to read section 5, Methods for Installing Debian: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install/ch-install-methods.en.html This contains, among other things, pointers to various floppy installation images, or, in section 6.4, instructions for installing from CDROM. (I didn't want to wait for the CD or purchase one since I have no cash to spare) False economies at best. You can purchase the 3-disk set from a number of sources, I picked up a set from LinuxCentral (http://www.linuxcentral.com/), cost is about $9, postage included, delivery within a few days. This would be the time it took you to browse through the FAQs. Strongly recommended, particularly if you don't have a high-bandwidth connection. to begin this project, but little to my knowledge, I have spent the last three days reading though your FAQ's, readme files, etc trying to figure out how to get the image which should be a simple afair, yet failing miserabbaly and I have the following comments/complaints I hope you will at least consider about your system. The docs could be better organized. However, this list is populated with folks who've been through most of the pains themselves, strongly recommended you ask first. We're usually pretty helpful, or so I hear. First I will like to say that your meathod is intivative and I understand your issues of wanting to save banwith, also after thinking about your meathod of using the .list file to direct what pacakages will be installed on the machince, I see that for a knowledgable Debian user it could be advantage to spelizise that list to get the maximum performace out of your operating system which is the final goal of most devout users in my opion, but now on to my problems Huh? My complaints are as follows, first off, the process of getting the pseudo-image and onward is not 'straight-forward' or 'easy' but I'm up for the challange so I read though the files and followed the directions to the T, and yet it still didn't work. I've heard from several users, of varying levels of experience, including seasoned GNU/Linux experts, who've utterly failed to negotiate the pseudo-image install. I'd strongly discourage it based on this. Anyone with other input please step forward. I encounterd the following problems. The first and main problem is that your interface for the make-pseudo-image file tells the user nothing that would be of any use. All it says is that the program is 'Getting...' and my dos-prompt flashes from sleep-bash and back and forth so I get the sense its doing something. I think you should add a feture that not only tells you what percentage of the pseudo-image you have finsihed, but also tells you how fast your current transfer rate to the ftp server is so you can decide if your on a good one or not. After waiting though four hours of 'Getting...' the program finaly crashed, Sh had an illegal operation error. So I shut it down and tried to restart, as soon as it gets to 'Getting...' Sh crashed again and again and again and again. Valid criticisms. After that I decided to start over from scratch and redownload everything, including the orignial zip file for the pseudo-image-make program from a differnt sight thinking maby there was a croupted file. Now I can't even start the 'Getting...' process with out Sh crashing, and I have tried at least 4 differen't ftp sights for the pseudo-image zip file and 6 differnt sights to connect to, to get the pseudo image. So I have wasted the last
Re: Debian Issues!!
You can get a debian image at: http://www.linuxiso.org/ I also installed debian (hamm) as my first linux/unix experience. Took me 3 months to get everything working. Loved every minute of it. John -- -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Using [Debian] Linux _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ pgpz15iRlIPy0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 05:25:16PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: | on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 03:51:14PM -0700, Jaimos F. Skriletz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: | (I didn't want to wait for the CD or purchase one since I have no cash | to spare) | | False economies at best. You can purchase the 3-disk set from a number | of sources, I picked up a set from LinuxCentral | (http://www.linuxcentral.com/), cost is about $9, postage included, | delivery within a few days. This would be the time it took you to | browse through the FAQs. Strongly recommended, particularly if you | don't have a high-bandwidth connection. | | to begin this project, but little to my knowledge, I have spent the | last three days reading though your FAQ's, readme files, etc trying to | figure out how to get the image which should be a simple afair, yet | failing miserabbaly and I have the following comments/complaints I | hope you will at least consider about your system. | | The docs could be better organized. However, this list is populated | with folks who've been through most of the pains themselves, strongly | recommended you ask first. We're usually pretty helpful, or so I hear. Yeah, just look at all the responses you've gotten already (and no flames :-)). | First I will like to say that your meathod is intivative and I | understand your issues of wanting to save banwith, also after thinking | about your meathod of using the .list file to direct what pacakages | will be installed on the machince, I see that for a knowledgable | Debian user it could be advantage to spelizise that list to get the | maximum performace out of your operating system which is the final | goal of most devout users in my opion, but now on to my problems | | Huh? | | My complaints are as follows, first off, the process of getting the | pseudo-image and onward is not 'straight-forward' or 'easy' but I'm up | for the challange so I read though the files and followed the | directions to the T, and yet it still didn't work. | | I've heard from several users, of varying levels of experience, | including seasoned GNU/Linux experts, who've utterly failed to negotiate | the pseudo-image install. I'd strongly discourage it based on this. | Anyone with other input please step forward. I made my (potato) cds at work (not a bad connection, though RoadRunner doesn't compare to T3) on a Win2k (or was it NT at the time?) box. I use cygwin a lot on it. I found the instructions a bit confusing at first, but I managed to get it to work. I went through the psuedo-image process for about 1.5 of the cds, then I just went directly with rsync. The thing they forget to tell you in the docs is that you can use rsync even if one of the files doesn't exist. (Hint : get the rsync path for the ISOs from the end of the instructions and just use 'rsync path') It is sort of cheating, from the conserve bandwidth perspective but it works. BTW, I had already used RH (6.1 and 7.0) for about a year and had installed Debian via network (T3) before I moved home. At work, on windows, I use cygwin for nearly everything. After that I had to wipe my disk to check it for errors (long story, its in the archives around March) so I needed to get cds to re-install (I wasn't about to try a network install over a dial-up modem connection, especially when I didn't even know how to configure the modem at the time). It would be nice if someone provided a simple mechanism for non-Unix gurus to obtain ISOs, but since I don't have a decent connection I can't provide it. -D
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This was posted earlier in the week: http://www.linuxiso.org/debian.html Don't forget to donate to the cause if you find yourself liking Debian (and you will). Good luck! -- Mark Wagnon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
